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| gouthamr | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 17 15:00:53 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gouthamr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| carloss | hi :) | 15:01 |
| jgrosso | hello | 15:01 |
| lseki | \o | 15:01 |
| vhari | hi :) | 15:01 |
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| gouthamr | hello everyone, let's wait a minute to allow stragglers :) | 15:01 |
| dviroel | o/ | 15:01 |
| gouthamr | courtesy ping: xyang toabctl bswartz ganso erlon tpsilva vkmc amito | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | ^ tbarron is out today, probably on a boat somewhere | 15:02 |
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| gouthamr | okay, we have a small group and a short agenda too - so let's get rolling | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | typically, we'd like to have atleast 40% of the core reviewer team in attendance; but, i'd like to cover a few things despite not having quorum | 15:04 |
| gouthamr | which means, we will not make any decisions today | 15:04 |
| gouthamr | The meeting agenda is here: | 15:05 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:05 |
| gouthamr | #topic Announcements | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:05 | |
| bswartz | .o/ | 15:05 |
| gouthamr | hey bswartz... | 15:05 |
| gouthamr | so, Train release has shipped! | 15:05 |
| dviroel | \o/ | 15:05 |
| gouthamr | #link: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-October/010156.html | 15:05 |
| bswartz | So, is it fair to say that the train has left the station? | 15:06 |
| bswartz | #badpun | 15:06 |
| jgrosso | :) | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | #thanks everyone who spent valuable time and effort in any way on the Train release of OpenStack Manila! | 15:06 |
| jgrosso | choo choo | 15:06 |
| lseki | \o/ | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | grr, where's openstackstatus when you need it :) | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | well, you have my thanks | 15:07 |
| gouthamr | please encourage folks to upgrade, it's the best release ever! | 15:07 |
| gouthamr | next up: as we keep rolling, stable/queens is going to be in EM soon | 15:08 |
| gouthamr | EM stands for "extended maintenance" | 15:08 |
| gouthamr | #link: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-October/010161.html | 15:08 |
| gouthamr | what this means is that in the next couple of weeks, we'll merge any remaining bugfixes to this branch | 15:09 |
| gouthamr | and make one final Queens release | 15:09 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/stable-branches.html | 15:09 |
| gouthamr | after this release, you can continue to backport fixes to stable/queens, but cannot rely on us producing any more tagged releases | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | i think there are a bunch of fixes in flight, so if you're reviewing please pay attention to the timeframe so we can get them into this final release | 15:11 |
| gouthamr | still speaking of releases, we cut some new ones that i'd like to call your attention to | 15:11 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/689047/ Bug-fix releases for manila-ui | 15:12 |
| gouthamr | thanks to Gloria Gu, KeithMnemonic and other contributors from Suse, we were able to land a critical bugfix in manila-ui that affected Rocky-->Train | 15:12 |
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| gouthamr | #link: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/687967/ Release manila-tempest-plugin 0.4.1 | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | ^ this bugfix release should be preferred over the train release of manila-tempest-plugin | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | the initial train release (0.4.0) will break when used against versions of manila prior to Train | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | that's all i had wrt announcements :) | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | does anyone else have anything to add? | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | #topic Retire older branches? | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Retire older branches? (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:15 | |
| gouthamr | we've chugged past the 9th release of manila | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | but, we continue to invest valuable time, effort and CI resources on maintaining some old versions | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | i'd like to get your opinion on retiring these branches | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | Specifically: | 15:17 |
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| gouthamr | Driverfixes branches | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://opendev.org/openstack/manila/src/branch/driverfixes/mitaka | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://opendev.org/openstack/manila/src/branch/driverfixes/newton | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://opendev.org/openstack/manila/src/branch/driverfixes/ocata | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | Stable branches | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://opendev.org/openstack/manila/src/branch/stable/ocata | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://opendev.org/openstack/manila/src/branch/stable/pike | 15:17 |
| bswartz | What effort does it take to keep an old branch arond? | 15:18 |
| bswartz | I thought driverfixes branches were created with zero effort upstream and that was the point | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | mostly CI - third party CI doesn't run on them, but, most of our unittests and tempest jobs do | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | s/our/first party | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | and we've had these break once or twice during the past release | 15:19 |
| bswartz | We should ask the distro vendors -- they are the theoretical beneficiaries of these branches | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | ++ | 15:19 |
| bswartz | It would be RedHat, Canonical, Huawei, and who else? | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | Mirantis | 15:19 |
| bswartz | Mirantis still does Openstack? | 15:20 |
| * bswartz is surprised | 15:20 | |
| gouthamr | as far as i understand, they had installation tooling and docs for manila as recent as Rocky | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | or Queens | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | https://www.mirantis.com/software/openstack/releases/ | 15:21 |
| bswartz | Well unless any of the distros consume stuff from those branches, they're probably not worth keeping around | 15:21 |
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| gouthamr | yes - if it's not being useful, we shouldn't spend our time on it | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | if it's being useful, i'd like to know the impact and some support from the consumers to maintain these branches when things break | 15:22 |
| gouthamr | for one, some of our current jobs on these branches run and always fail | 15:22 |
| gouthamr | we haven't taken a look at them, if these branches are useful, i'd like for someone to start by running a meaningful set of test jobs | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | to provide some historic context, we don't do "driverfixes" branches anymore | 15:24 |
| gouthamr | because we decided to impose extended retirement on these branches - i.e., keep them around best effort | 15:24 |
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| gouthamr | so i think it wouldn't be harmful if we removed the driverfixes branches, but, that would mean we no longer have a mitaka or a newton branch for any fixes | 15:25 |
| bswartz | Both solutions seem reasonable to me | 15:25 |
| bswartz | Keep the branch alive, but studiously avoid spending time on fixing anything about it | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | ack | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | i'll take a action item to bring this up in openstack-discuss and openstack-operators mailing lists | 15:26 |
| gouthamr | #action gouthamr: mail openstack-discuss and openstack-operators about old branches and their maintenance status | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | that's all i had about $topic | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | any questions/concerns/additions? | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | #topic Ussuri PTG | 15:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ussuri PTG (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:27 | |
| gouthamr | this has been a sticky topic over the past few weeks | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-shanghai-ptg-planning PTG Planning Etherpad | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | thanks to those that have proposed the topics currently on the pad | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | if you're thinking about any discussion topics, please put them on the etherpad asap | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | we're less than 3 weeks away from the Shanghai PTG date | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | 6th Nov 2019, Wednesday | 15:29 |
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| gouthamr | i'd like to check with you guys (and on the mailing lists) if we can have the remote-only PTG | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | either during the first or second week of Dec | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | i know it's a little late, but, i didn't want to distract folks that are preparing for Shanghai | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | by having it earlier | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | i'm currently ruling out the rest of November because of folks taking time to travel before/after the summit | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | and KubeCon in the third week of Nov | 15:31 |
| dviroel | yes from our side | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | and the final week is surely for eating a lot and regretting | 15:32 |
| lseki | ++ | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | :) Thanksgiving in the US ^ | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | at the in-person PTG, tbarron will drive the agenda | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | and it's possible some of these topics will be dealt with, depending on the audience and the interest in the topics themselves | 15:33 |
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| gouthamr | however, all of these topics will be discussed again during the remote-only PTG | 15:33 |
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| gouthamr | to those not attending the Shanghai summit in person, we're increasingly giving up hope on enabling remote participation | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | nevertheless, the focus there will be to engage with our APAC users and contributors and discuss their concerns | 15:36 |
| bswartz | +1 for no remote attendance | 15:36 |
| bswartz | I don't see how it could work | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | ack | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | #GFW | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | sigh - it'll be different | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | but, exciting and new :) | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | i'd move on to the next topic: Bugs (jgrosso) | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | but, jgrosso tells me we haven't had any that we need to look at this week | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | i see a number of bug fixes proposed, and folks are actively backporting fixes to other affected releases - thank you for doing that! | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | let's slide into... | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | #topic: Open Discussion | 15:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Open Discussion (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:38 | |
| gouthamr | *crickets* | 15:39 |
| bswartz | I'm still looking at this mirantis page and wondering what's going on | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | haha | 15:40 |
| bswartz | They shipped a Queens-based openstack in late 2018 and nothing since then | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | yep - multiple distros are stabilizing on older releases | 15:40 |
| bswartz | Maybe Queens was perfection and they don't want the newer releases? | 15:40 |
| bswartz | Or maybe they're skipping some intermediate releases and they will jump from Q to U? | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | while Red Hat has shipped Stein (RHOSP 15) - Queens is still a preferred release for most, given it's a Long-Life-Release | 15:41 |
| bswartz | I see | 15:41 |
| bswartz | What is the next LLR after Queens? | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | for RH, it will be the Train release | 15:41 |
| bswartz | So now that Train has shipped, maybe we'll see Mirantis take it up? | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | it's encouraging to see users upgrading from Newton--->Queens | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | probably, Suse did announce that they intend to stop at Rocky | 15:42 |
| bswartz | IAC, the whole point of these old driverfixes branches was to create a way for storage vendors (like netapp) to deliver driver bug fixes to distro vendors (like redhat) | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | true bswartz | 15:43 |
| bswartz | So if those branches aren't serving that purpose, then they're pointless | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | back when we created them, i worked with tbarron and toabctl | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | but i think both these distros (Red Hat, Suse) don't need them any longer - we'll check | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | alright folks, if there's nothing else - let's chat on #openstack-manila | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | thank you for joining | 15:45 |
| jgrosso | thanks | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | #endmeeting | 15:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 17 15:45:21 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-10-17-15.00.html | 15:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-10-17-15.00.txt | 15:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-10-17-15.00.log.html | 15:45 |
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