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| gouthamr | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 14 15:00:48 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gouthamr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | courtesy ping: xyang toabctl bswartz ganso erlon tpsilva vkmc amito jgrosso dviroel lseki carloss tbarron | 15:01 |
| tbarron | \o/ | 15:01 |
| jgrosso | :) | 15:02 |
| amito | o/ | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | \o/ hello everyone | 15:02 |
| * gouthamr wonder if he missed a holiday in brazil | 15:03 | |
| gouthamr | s/wonder/wonders | 15:03 |
| tbarron | yeah or time shift weirdness? | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | perhaps tbarron | 15:04 |
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| gouthamr | welcome back, amito | 15:04 |
| amito | Thanks! | 15:04 |
| tbarron | amito is back from world travels! | 15:04 |
| amito | :) only a small part of the world ;) | 15:04 |
| tbarron | cool parts | 15:05 |
| gouthamr | Thanks for joining, and while we wait for stragglers, everyone, welcome back to this meeting after a short break | 15:05 |
| amito | Actually pretty warm ;) | 15:05 |
| gouthamr | our agenda for today seems light: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings#Next_meeting | 15:05 |
| tbarron | amito: yeah that's part of what makes them cool, it's -5 C here atm | 15:06 |
| amito | tbarron: holy sh*t, it's around 30 C here | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | wow, i long that shorts weather now | 15:06 |
| tbarron | i'm exagerating but that was last night's temp | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | #topic: Announcements | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:07 | |
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| gouthamr | We're in between two PTG days for manila, hasn't happened a lot in the past | 15:07 |
| gouthamr | so as expected, our meetings are probably going to be light | 15:08 |
| gouthamr | I'm calling your attention to new releases from stable branches: https://releases.openstack.org/teams/manila.html | 15:08 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: ty for doign those! | 15:09 |
| gouthamr | We released a new minor version of manila off of our Train, Stein, Rocky and Queens branches | 15:09 |
| gouthamr | includes some API enhancements that are backwards compatible, but address bugs, several other driver bug fixes | 15:09 |
| gouthamr | The next announcement is that there is no meeting 21 Nov 2019, 15:00 UTC - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-October/010486.html | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | When i sent that email, i forgot that the week after is Thanksgiving Day in the US | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | it's a holiday across the country, and i expect we won't have tbarron, vhari, jgrosso or me for that meeting | 15:11 |
| gouthamr | i know we don't have dviroel lseki carloss here atm, but, one of them may want to chair the meeting | 15:12 |
| gouthamr | i will reach out to them, and let everyone know via the mailing list and on #openstack-manila if we're going to keep the meeting as is on 28th Nov | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | in terms of where we are in the release schedule, please take a look at | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://releases.openstack.org/ussuri/schedule.html | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | the next major deadline for us is several weeks away | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | however, we still target bugs to milestones - helps us keep track of potential backports and plan work in a way | 15:15 |
| gouthamr | anyone else got any announcements? | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | okay, moving on... | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | #topic Project Technical Gathering in Shanghai | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Project Technical Gathering in Shanghai (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:16 | |
| gouthamr | last week carloss lseki tbarron and vkmc were at the PTG in Shanghai | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | that happened post the Open Infra Summit, where manila had several presentations and from what i'm told, a well attended Forum session | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | i was hoping these guys will be able to give us a short summary of what happened | 15:18 |
| tbarron | Here is our etherpad from the PTG session: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/shanghai-ptg-manila but I'll add | 15:18 |
| tbarron | a few remarks here | 15:19 |
| tbarron | for the meeting record :) | 15:19 |
| lseki | o/ | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | ty tbarron | 15:19 |
| tbarron | lseki!! | 15:19 |
| tbarron | PROS: | 15:19 |
| tbarron | Manila events at summit (adopt a share, manila-csi forum, project update) were well attended | 15:19 |
| tbarron | nd got followup questions both in official Q&A and in the hallway, some | 15:19 |
| tbarron | related to the actual topics of the sessions, some more general. | 15:19 |
| tbarron | - | 15:19 |
| * gouthamr marks lseki tardy | 15:19 | |
| tbarron | CONS: | 15:20 |
| tbarron | The rwx storage lightning talk was rescheduled twice and sparsely and randomly attended except by manila people who knew what and when | 15:20 |
| tbarron | The picture was scheduled for Thursday after several PTG attendees had left. | 15:20 |
| * tbarron isn't going to mention the box lunches | 15:20 | |
| tbarron | PTG: | 15:20 |
| tbarron | We covered a few topics: | 15:20 |
| tbarron | retrospective, UI tech debt, OSC completion, CephFS topics | 15:20 |
| tbarron | and touched on active-active | 15:20 |
| tbarron | but we had new attendees from DKRC and City Network and Inspur so | 15:20 |
| tbarron | emphasis was on "team building". We all knew that there is going to be a | 15:20 |
| tbarron | virtual PTG where we can do the harder topics with gouthamr and others | 15:20 |
| tbarron | involved :) | 15:20 |
| tbarron | <tbarron-EOF> :) | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | nice, thank you for the summary tbarron | 15:21 |
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| amito | Sounds like this was a great summit for Manila :) | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | speaking of the Virtual PTG, a reminder for folks that we're still polling on dates, here: | 15:22 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://xoyondo.com/dp/qQbsoHtNhi4DCki | 15:22 |
| tbarron | amito: we got quite a bit of coverage and the Adopt a Share presentation made us all proud. | 15:22 |
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| tbarron | oh, DLRC is a German climate research group | 15:23 |
| tbarron | don't ask me to actually pronounce their name | 15:23 |
| tbarron | (and we don't really believe in that kind of thing in my country anyways) but they want | 15:24 |
| jgrosso | :) | 15:24 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: "we" don't believe? :) | 15:24 |
| tbarron | to write a Lustre back end driver so if you know others interested in that let me know so I can connect them. | 15:24 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: it's not allowed | 15:24 |
| gouthamr | hahaha | 15:24 |
| * gouthamr cries a little | 15:24 | |
| gouthamr | a Lustre backend for manila is most welcome - we've seen some interest/chatter in the scientific-sig over the past months | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | we'd be happy to help onboard them and land that driver if it's useful for the wider community | 15:26 |
| tbarron | s/DLRC/DKRC/ where 'K' is for Klimat... | 15:26 |
| gouthamr | +1, i see that we also had several prod/pre-prod usecases for manila in the Forum session | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: i can add a recap session during the Virtual PTG so we can shed light on some of that | 15:27 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: kk. The Forum notes failed to mention one use case -- mugsie's home music system requires RWX access from his many devices | 15:28 |
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| gouthamr | very cool | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | alright, anything else re: the PTG? | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | i'm still waiting on confirmation from a couple of folks with their names on topics | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | to finalize a date | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | i should have one by the end of this week | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | and i'll share it with you folks via openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | let's move on.. | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | #topic Capability Filter enhancement | 15:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Capability Filter enhancement (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:31 | |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/688053/ (Make extra_specs value as case-insensitive) | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | I'd like to draw your attention to this change ^ | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | although it is seemingly simple, it's a huge impact on the capabilities scheduler that drives most of our optional API logic | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | it impacts backwords compatibility with existing share types | 15:33 |
| tbarron | in practice or in theory? In practice are there multiple capabilities that differ only in upper-lower case? | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | although i do think this is a fine improvement, if we're able to convince ourselves and our users of what pain point it addresses | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: in theory | 15:33 |
| tbarron | yeah | 15:34 |
| amito | I don't really see the point of case-insensitivity here... | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | i feel this is a pain point, and i've hated it before, and felt it was okay because we trust the admin doesn't mis-type extra-specs | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | most people new to manila make that mistake: is it cephfs or CephFS or Cephfs? | 15:35 |
| * gouthamr cringe: NFS_CIFS or nfs_cifs or Nfs_Cifs | 15:35 | |
| tbarron | amito it's easy for operators to not think they have to match case and not know which thing to use | 15:35 |
| amito | Hmm | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | i can't think of drawbacks except for clients that need to interact with manila of different versions | 15:36 |
| amito | Just seems strange to me, it opens a door for strange abominations, e.g. NfS_CiFs, which is equal to nfs_cifs and NFS_CIFS, etc. | 15:37 |
| tbarron | stuff will work in newer versions that doesn't work in old versions (in practice) | 15:37 |
| amito | IMHO a user should be aware of their input ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | in general, yes | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | the workflow we expect is admins are checking the backend/pool capabilities and setting their extra-specs | 15:38 |
| tbarron | It would be perverse to actually have two capabilities, NFS and nfs | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: +1 | 15:38 |
| amito | tbarron: true | 15:39 |
| tbarron | But if we make this change it would be good to have an announcement to openstack-discuss ASAP | 15:39 |
| tbarron | in U | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | looks like the three of us are in agreement at least.. so let's take a look at that patch | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | ack | 15:40 |
| tbarron | that it will take effect in U | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | and a good reno and docs change explaining the rationale | 15:40 |
| tbarron | +1 | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | good stuff.. thanks tbarron amito - Woohyung Han and our friends at TmaxSoft will be happy we're paying attention | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | cool, let's get to the meat of this meeting :D | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | #topic Bugs (jgrosso) | 15:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (jgrosso) (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:42 | |
| jgrosso | gouthamr thanks | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | heya jgrosso - what do you have for us today? :) | 15:42 |
| jgrosso | https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1804208 | 15:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1804208 in Manila "scheduler falsely reports share service down" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Lucio Seki (lseki) | 15:42 |
| jgrosso | Just looking for an update | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | ack | 15:42 |
| jgrosso | lseki :) | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | lseki's last update was: | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | "It's normal to manila-share service be shown as `down` for a while until re-exporting all the shares." | 15:43 |
| jgrosso | yep | 15:44 |
| lseki | so | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | i thought we're skipping the re-export right now, lseki | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | unless we discover that the backend config/info has changed | 15:44 |
| lseki | actually Naresh was able to reproduce the issue, in a more heavy loaded env | 15:45 |
| jgrosso | is this still HIGH importance? | 15:46 |
| lseki | and it's in our backlog to investigate and fix it, but the priority is not that high | 15:46 |
| jgrosso | ok will lower to MED | 15:46 |
| lseki | jgrosso: ok! | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | agree, we can bump the importance down, but are you planning to do this during this cycle, lseki | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | it'd be nice to understand why the problem occurs - we did enhance driver resource setup | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/457545/ (Change ensure share to make startup faster) | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/580777/ (Fix ensure_shares bugs) | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | i wonder if we (still) have any bugs in that codepath | 15:48 |
| lseki | gouthamr not sure if we'll be able to work in this cycle... | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | lseki: ack, then we'll probably have to have someone pick this up | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | lseki: do update the bug in case you have any more thoughts/info, we'll talk about this again for sure in the context of active-active during the PTG | 15:51 |
| jgrosso | I dont have to many more bugs for today | 15:51 |
| jgrosso | some people are not here | 15:51 |
| lseki | gouthamr: ack, thanks! | 15:51 |
| jgrosso | I did re visit alot of bugs | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | jgrosso: nice, thank you for doing that :) | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | alright then | 15:52 |
| jgrosso | so I have a new triage pad , just to make it easier for me | 15:52 |
| jgrosso | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-bug-triage-pad-new | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | sweet | 15:53 |
| jgrosso | this is by no means assignment :) | 15:53 |
| jgrosso | this is a way for me to organize | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-bug-triage-pad-new (New Bug Triage Etherpad maintained by our Bug Czar) | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | ^ for the meeting notes | 15:53 |
| jgrosso | feel free to adjust as needed | 15:53 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: i'm glad you and gouthamr are organized, we need more of that! | 15:53 |
| jgrosso | tbarron thanks ! | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | #topic Open Discussion | 15:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:54 | |
| gouthamr | finally Alabama's looking bad in the College Football playoff picture | 15:55 |
| gouthamr | and that probably makes bswartz happy | 15:55 |
| gouthamr | :D | 15:55 |
| gouthamr | okay, let's take our discussions to #openstack-manila | 15:56 |
| amito | lol | 15:56 |
| jgrosso | :) | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | thank you for joining, everyone | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 14 15:56:23 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-11-14-15.00.html | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-11-14-15.00.txt | 15:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-11-14-15.00.log.html | 15:56 |
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| tbarron | thanks! | 15:56 |
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