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| gouthamr | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 28 15:00:56 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gouthamr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| carloss | o/ | 15:01 |
| lseki | o/ | 15:01 |
| andrebeltrami | hello | 15:01 |
| maaritamm | o/ | 15:01 |
| carthaca | Hi | 15:01 |
| vhari | hi | 15:01 |
| gouthamr | courtesy ping: xyang toabctl ganso vkmc amito dviroel tbarron danielarthurt | 15:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | here's our agenda for today: | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings#Next_meeting | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | lets begin as usual with.. | 15:02 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| vkmc | henlo | 15:02 |
| danielarthurt | 'o/ | 15:02 |
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| gouthamr | We're not going to meet at 1500 UTC in this channel next week, due to the PTG | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-April/014567.html (PTG schedule announcement, no IRC meeting on June 4th 2020) | 15:03 |
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| gouthamr | if you haven't looked at the ML, there's a post regarding the manila PTG: | 15:04 |
| gouthamr | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-May/015090.html | 15:04 |
| gouthamr | main items there are that there's now a draft schedule in our planning PTG etherpad | 15:05 |
| gouthamr | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/vancouver-ptg-manila-planning | 15:05 |
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| gouthamr | there's a helpful page on the PTG website that you should use to track the meetings: | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | #link http://ptg.openstack.org/ptg.html (PTG Schedule) | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | you can click on the "manila" meeting slots on this page and be taken to the Zoom room that we're going to be in | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | these meetings will be recorded - i encourage you to turn on your cameras :) it's been forever since we saw each other... | 15:07 |
| gouthamr | there's another email that went out to those that have registered, it contains some more useful information | 15:08 |
| gouthamr | #link https://drive.google.com/file/d/1r9T9A8oGfG6zMW2Bq0qiIeevgDRbUjjG/view (PTG Checklist Email) | 15:08 |
| gouthamr | It calls out some best practices for the meeting, worth taking a look there as well: | 15:08 |
| gouthamr | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/virtual-ptg-best-practices | 15:08 |
| gouthamr | Tuesday, June 2 is PTG Costume Day! | 15:09 |
| gouthamr | "Dress up as your favorite character, superhero, etc! Or simply find things around | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | your house to create a fun costume. There will be up to 3 winners who will win a | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | ticket to an OpenStack Foundation event in 2021. To enter the contest, take a | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | picture of you in your costume while attending a PTG meeting and email the | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | picture to ptg@openstack.org by 7:00 UTC on Wednesday, June 3. Winners will | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | be contacted on Friday, June 5." | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | so let your imagination run wild... ofcourse no-one'll dare disagree with your design opinions if you come as Thor, just saying | 15:11 |
| gouthamr | we'll begin our meeting on June 1st (14:00 UTC) with a Retrospective | 15:12 |
| gouthamr | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/manila-ussuri-retrospective (Ussuri cycle Retrospective etherpad) | 15:12 |
| gouthamr | please take a look at that etherpad and add your views in before the meeting ^ | 15:12 |
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| gouthamr | last week, on an internal discussion, vkmc and i started jotting down a bunch of things that are on our #todo list for the upcoming cycle/s | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/manila-todos (Manila TO DO items) | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | we'll bring this up during the PTG, but, if you have items to add there, please do.. | 15:14 |
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| gouthamr | cool, that's all of the announcements | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | does anyone else have any? | 15:15 |
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| gouthamr | #topic Reviews needing attention | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews needing attention (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:16 | |
| gouthamr | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-victoria-review-focus | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | i guess the top items on this list are still in review | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | are there any concerns to bring up? | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | i understand folks are busy with specs and stuff at this point in the cycle, but, do spare some time to take a look at these reviews when you can | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | we'll do a rollcall when we return from the PTG | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | anything else regarding $topic? | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | looks like we'll get done early today :) | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | #topic Bugs (vhari) | 15:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (vhari) (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:20 | |
| gouthamr | vhari: you're up | 15:20 |
| vhari | hey gouthamr let's start with new bugs | 15:20 |
| vhari | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1881112 | 15:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1881112 in OpenStack Shared File Systems Service (Manila) "services table is not cleaned up after host rename" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Maurice Escher (maurice-escher) | 15:20 |
| vhari | there is a fix proposed - | 15:20 |
| * gouthamr loves it when bugs are posted with patches | 15:21 | |
| vhari | need to add importance and other minor details | 15:21 |
| vhari | gouthamr, but wait there is more :) | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | ack, this is an annoying issue, and good to fix, i vote medium | 15:22 |
| gouthamr | we can target to victoria-1 | 15:22 |
| gouthamr | are you expecting to backport this as well, carthaca? | 15:22 |
| vhari | ack | 15:22 |
| carthaca | gouthamr: whatever you want, I usually don't need backports :) | 15:23 |
| dviroel | o/ | 15:24 |
| vkmc | nice one | 15:24 |
| gouthamr | carthaca: ack, ty.. we'll hold off unless someone finds it useful - we'll check from any downstream requests | 15:24 |
| gouthamr | s/useful/useful in the older releases | 15:24 |
| gouthamr | ty for teh bug and the fix, carthaca | 15:25 |
| carthaca | technically it should be doable if we stay with the proposed solutiion | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 15:25 |
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| vhari | next up | 15:25 |
| vhari | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1881098 | 15:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1881098 in OpenStack Shared File Systems Service (Manila) "missing means to adjust share servers after share_backend rename" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Maurice Escher (maurice-escher) | 15:25 |
| vhari | fix proposed - | 15:26 |
| vhari | needs minor triage | 15:26 |
| gouthamr | great, feels like we'll need this for other resources as well | 15:26 |
| carthaca | share groups maybe | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 15:27 |
| carthaca | but we don't use them, so I didn't touch those at first | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | cool, ty for this one as well - i think this is a medium | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | victoria-1 as well | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | any objections? | 15:28 |
| vkmc | +1 | 15:28 |
| vhari | done :) | 15:28 |
| vhari | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1831983 | 15:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1831983 in OpenStack Shared File Systems Service (Manila) "Manila 8.0.0 stein GPFS Driver index error" [Undecided,New] | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | its a year old and has some back-and-forth | 15:30 |
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| vhari | floating this out - waiting for feedback on suggested changes | 15:30 |
| tbarron | there is a proposed fix in the bug but we don't have a way to test it ? | 15:30 |
| tbarron | pretty trivial fix though | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | +1, python3 tests are passing, so either there's no unit test or the fake data isn't good enough | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | its been a while since we saw someone from GPFS | 15:31 |
| * gouthamr wonders which company owns that thing | 15:32 | |
| tbarron | big company i hear | 15:32 |
| vkmc | D: | 15:32 |
| * tbarron isn't blue-red color blind | 15:32 | |
| gouthamr | ah! there's my excuse | 15:32 |
| vhari | :D | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | vhari: lets mark it wishlist, perhaps? it's possible that the reporters couldn't submit their fix for some reason | 15:33 |
| ganso | o/ | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | vhari: we could also mark it "low-hanging-fruit" because there's a suggested fix | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | \o ganso | 15:34 |
| vkmc | hmm I'd refrain of doing that because there is no easy way to test it | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | vhari: and someone who's looking to contribute can do follow up? | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | vkmc: oh, i was thinking we'd still run unit tests... from what i read, the driver's broken with python3 | 15:34 |
| vkmc | adding the line is easy but how we can make sure it is the correct fix if we don't have the hardware | 15:34 |
| vkmc | do we have third party ci to test that? | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | vkmc: i agree, no way to know if it works for sure | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | vkmc: GPFS CI was reporting for a while, i haven't seen it around since Ussuri | 15:35 |
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| gouthamr | i can reach out to the maintainers we have on file | 15:36 |
| vkmc | gouthamr, yeah, and we can mention them this bug | 15:36 |
| * gouthamr opens dviroel's driver maintainers list | 15:36 | |
| gouthamr | yep, i'll email and let them know of this... | 15:36 |
| vkmc | ++ | 15:36 |
| vhari | gouthamr, "low-hanging-fruit" may get more attention but needs verification method | 15:37 |
| vhari | gouthamr, so hold off until we know more? | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | vhari: yes... | 15:37 |
| vhari | gouthamr, you got it | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | ty vhari | 15:37 |
| vhari | yw | 15:38 |
| vhari | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1855391 | 15:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1855391 in OpenStack Shared File Systems Service (Manila) "if all backend down, the status of share will stuck in "extending" when we extend an share" [High,In progress] - Assigned to haixin (haixin77) | 15:38 |
| vhari | we discussed recently - | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | ah! this is an ongoing bugfix | 15:38 |
| vhari | floating this one out since it's a high with no activity | 15:38 |
| vhari | :( | 15:39 |
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| gouthamr | haixin's trying to update the request to extend to flow through the scheduler | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | but there's something tripping up, and i haven't paid attention in a few weeks | 15:39 |
| vhari | we can shelf it a bit longer - it's non trivial | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | vhari: agreed, i'll take a look right after this meeting and see if i can help | 15:40 |
| vhari | gouthamr, cool | 15:40 |
| vhari | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1838936 | 15:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1838936 in kolla-ansible ussuri "manila-share not working with ceph mimic (13.2) nor ceph nautilus (14.2)" [Undecided,Triaged] | 15:40 |
| vhari | I was looking at this .. | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | hmmm, there's been a bit of back and forth with this bug | 15:41 |
| vhari | do we agree this is a manila issue? | 15:41 |
| * vkmc checks | 15:41 | |
| vkmc | so... our ci says otherwise | 15:41 |
| vhari | ack | 15:42 |
| vkmc | we have been running cephfs native and cephfs nfs jobs with nautilus and things work properly | 15:42 |
| vkmc | not so sure about mimic | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | yep | 15:42 |
| vkmc | oh wait | 15:42 |
| vkmc | they are with rocky | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | here's a related bug where we did hit a similar issue, but the environment was different | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1820346 | 15:42 |
| openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1820346 in CephFS "Setting 'ceph.quota.max_bytes' fails" [Medium,Closed: notabug] - Assigned to khiremat | 15:42 |
| vkmc | in rocky we test with luminous | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | there we triaged the issue to not having the latest kernel client | 15:43 |
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| gouthamr | vkmc: ack, we could point the nautilus job and show them the results | 15:44 |
| vkmc | gouthamr, sure | 15:44 |
| vkmc | I can follow up with this one | 15:44 |
| vhari | vkmc++ | 15:45 |
| vhari | moving on .. | 15:46 |
| vhari | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1700138 | 15:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1700138 in OpenStack Shared File Systems Service (Manila) "Manila NetApp driver don't delete share-server when cifs configured manually" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to Lucio Seki (lseki) | 15:46 |
| tbarron | seem to be client/server incompat issues that can't be fixed in manila itself | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: +1 | 15:46 |
| tbarron | distro specific | 15:46 |
| vhari | looking for feedback - | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: that too, yes - depends a lot on backports of certain things in ceph | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | lseki: #1700138 needs your attention | 15:47 |
| dviroel | ^ I want to move this one to invalid, doesn't look right to try to delete something that wasn't configured by manila | 15:47 |
| lseki | yes | 15:47 |
| lseki | I'll add a comment there | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | good stuff, ty | 15:48 |
| vhari | lseki, ty | 15:48 |
| ganso | dviroel: does it work if you unmanage? | 15:48 |
| dviroel | ganso: I'm not sure | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | unmanage's a noop isn't it? | 15:49 |
| ganso | IIRC yes, it should work | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | https://opendev.org/openstack/manila/src/commit/00e548a60c9183366e4cc935436558c330a77d63/manila/share/drivers/netapp/dataontap/cluster_mode/lib_multi_svm.py#L516-L517 | 15:50 |
| ganso | gouthamr++ | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | the problem here though is that tenants may see some network allocations on their neutron network if the share server isn't deleted... | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | there's no other direct impact on the tenants themselves.. | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | that i can see | 15:52 |
| ganso | gouthamr: since unmanage is an admin op, admin should clean the allocations (if that makes sense) | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | ganso: ah! that's true, so we have a similar case when an admin unmanages a tenant's share server | 15:52 |
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| ganso | gouthamr: isn't that the same case? I mean, aren't all share server "tenant"'s (although with only admin visibility) ? | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | dviroel lseki: perhaps a good thing to document - this sorta thing is possible with all DHSS=True drivers since the servers aren't entirely under manila's control, administrators have "backdoors" to manipulate these servers if they wish, and that might leave resources in an inconsistent state in manila | 15:54 |
| ganso | s/only admin visibility/admin-only visibility | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | ganso: yes, i meant that, without visibility to share servers, tenants may wonder why they can't delete their neutron networks | 15:54 |
| ganso | gouthamr: oh ok, yes | 15:55 |
| dviroel | gouthamr: yes, administrators can do many things on the backend that can lead manila to a inconsistent state, cifs-server is just one of them | 15:55 |
| lseki | with great power comes great responsibility | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | true.. | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | perhaps a user message can help from our end? | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | timecheck.. | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | vhari: lseki/dviroel will triage this bug | 15:57 |
| vhari | gouthamr, ack - that's a wrap for bugs | 15:57 |
| gouthamr | we'll take this interesting discussion to #openstack-manile | 15:57 |
| gouthamr | manila* | 15:57 |
| dviroel | hehe | 15:57 |
| gouthamr | great ty vhari | 15:57 |
| gouthamr | #topic Open Discussion | 15:57 |
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| gouthamr | we've spared three whole minutes :) | 15:57 |
| gouthamr | darn, two | 15:58 |
| ganso | about bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1855391 don't we have some history on using scheduler for extend vs not using? I remember having this discussion | 15:58 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1855391 in OpenStack Shared File Systems Service (Manila) "if all backend down, the status of share will stuck in "extending" when we extend an share" [High,In progress] - Assigned to haixin (haixin77) | 15:58 |
| ganso | and if we haven't changed to using the scheduler there may be a reason for that | 15:58 |
| gouthamr | ganso: it sure feels like it | 15:58 |
| ganso | gouthamr: not sure if cinder already tackled this | 15:59 |
| ganso | maybe I remember this discussion/change from cinder perhaps | 15:59 |
| gouthamr | ganso: nothing from the wiki or any old specs - the biggest downside i see is that share types are mutable, so, a share extension can fail if the share type capabilities are altered too, for instance | 15:59 |
| ganso | gouthamr: hmmmm yes | 15:59 |
| gouthamr | alright, we're at the hour | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | thanks a lot for joining, everyone | 16:00 |
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| gouthamr | hope to see you all on Monday | 16:00 |
| tbarron | cya in #openstack-manila and at ptg next week! | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | stay safe! | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 28 16:00:53 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| vkmc | o/ | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2020/manila.2020-05-28-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2020/manila.2020-05-28-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2020/manila.2020-05-28-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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