Wednesday, 2020-07-22

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rosmaita#startmeeting cinder14:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 22 14:00:41 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'14:00
rosmaita#topic roll call14:00
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e0nehi14:01
rajinirhi14:01
LiangFanghi14:01
whoami-rajat__Hi14:01
TusharTgite hi14:01
jungleboyjo/14:01
geguileohi!14:01
toskyhi14:01
rosmaitagood turnout! it's been so quiet in the cinder channel, i thought maybe i had the wrong day14:01
rosmaita#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-victoria-meetings14:01
lsekihi14:01
enriquetasohi14:01
rosmaitahello everyone14:02
rosmaita#topic announcements14:02
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rosmaitaok, next week will be our first video + IRC meeting14:02
rosmaita#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-July/015879.html14:02
smcginniso/14:03
LiangFanggreat14:03
rosmaitathat email has "Video Meeting Rules", please review them14:03
enriquetaso+114:03
rosmaitaconnection info is on the etherpad14:03
rosmaitawe'll see how it goes14:04
jungleboyjSounds good.14:04
rosmaitanext announcement: PyCharm licenses for openstack contributors14:04
rosmaitahttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-July/016039.html14:04
rosmaitai think you get a license for the "professional" edition14:04
rosmaitaVictoria Milestone-2 is next week14:05
rosmaitanew driver: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/741158/14:05
whoami-rajat__oh, I've been using the community version14:05
rosmaitathanks to smcginnis for all his work reviewing that14:05
rosmaitait looks pretty ready to go14:05
rosmaitadoes anyone here have a burning need to review that driver?14:05
rosmaita(just asking, because otherwise i will do it)14:06
rosmaita(just don't want to duplicate effort)14:06
jungleboyjI would like to but don't know that I will get to it.  :-)14:06
rosmaitaok, what i wanted to make sure was that someone isn't in the middle of reviewing but hasn't published comments yet14:06
rosmaitaok, sounds like my afternoon is planned then14:07
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rosmaitafinal announcement: Victoria mid-cycle part 2 is week of 10 August, look for poll for meeting time on the ML next week14:07
rosmaitaactually, one more thing14:07
rosmaitai believe that the berlin summit is going to be virtual, but i couldn't find an actual announcement on the ML14:08
e0nerosmaita: https://www.openstack.org/summit14:08
e0neOpen Infrastructure Summit14:09
e0neVirtual Event14:09
e0neOct 19-23, 202014:09
jungleboyjThey said it during the 10th anniversary meeting.14:09
rosmaitathanks!14:09
rosmaitai sent an email asking the foundation to update the covid-19 page14:09
rosmaitaok, so that's all the announcements14:09
rosmaita#topic final Victoria specs14:10
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rosmaitafirst, thanks to geguileo and whoami-rajat__ for their patience on their spec14:10
rosmaitai have been a real PITA about getting the API nailed down before implementation14:10
rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/73355514:10
rosmaitathat's the project-level default volume-types spec14:11
whoami-rajat__rosmaita: do you want me to do the NITs update after the meeting or in a followup patch?14:11
rosmaitai think it's ready to go, but it needs another review (and of course geguileo and whoami-rajat__ can't approve it)14:11
geguileolol14:11
rosmaitawhoami-rajat__: i don't know that they really need to be addressed14:12
rosmaitai just couldn't help myself14:12
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rosmaitanext up: reset state robustification14:12
rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/68245614:12
rosmaitaso, this is a good spec, but i don't think anyone has volunteered to pick it up14:13
rosmaitaso i propose that someone else +2 it (it has one +2) and we can merge it and then move to 'untargeted'14:13
rosmaitain case someone comes along looking for something to do14:13
geguileorosmaita: I like your suggestion14:13
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rosmaitagreat14:14
geguileorosmaita: development has been picked up14:14
geguileorosmaita: by whoami-rajat__14:14
geguileothat's why he's the primary assignee  ;-)14:14
whoami-rajat__:D14:15
rosmaitaoh, i was talking about reset-state-robustification14:15
rosmaitawhich i just noticed i have a -1 on14:15
geguileooh, my bad, sorry14:15
whoami-rajat__are we still talking about the default types ?14:15
rosmaitanp14:15
rosmaitasorry, i am being confusing14:16
whoami-rajat__got it14:16
geguileowhoami-rajat__: we are not, I'm just slow to pick up changes in the conversation XD14:16
rosmaitamy proposal is that someone other than me, geguileo, or whoami-rajat__ needs to approve https://review.opendev.org/73355514:16
rosmaitathat one already has whoami-rajat__ working on an implementation, so that is good for Victoria14:16
rosmaitaeverything else will have to go into wallaby or 'untargeted'14:17
rosmaitawhich reminds me14:17
rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/73948714:17
rosmaitacreates the 'wallaby' directory14:17
rosmaitaok, that's all for today about specs14:18
rosmaita#topic finish discussion of __DEFAULT__ volume type 14:18
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rosmaita#link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/__DEFAULT___type_discussion14:19
rosmaitai took a close look at the etherpad whoami-rajat__ was so nice as to put up14:19
rosmaitai have a proposal for how to fix this14:19
rosmaitaand i believe it is backportable14:19
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rosmaitaso please direct your attention to the ^^ etherpad14:20
rosmaitaand i will be quiet for a few minutes so people can read, particularly lines 33-5614:21
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rosmaita(though it is all excellent content)14:21
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rosmaitaany comments?14:26
jungleboyjEveryone is stunned.14:27
rosmaitalooks like14:27
rosmaitaok, i will paste that "what to do" into the bug, and whoami-rajat__ can fix it14:28
toskyso basically the last volume type surviving will always be the one set in default_volume_type14:28
whoami-rajat__sounds good to me14:28
toskyif the two last conditions are applied together14:28
rosmaitaright14:29
rosmaitai think this is flexible for operators and captures the original intent14:29
rosmaitaok, we can move on14:30
rosmaita#topic A/A support 14:30
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rosmaitae0ne: that's you!14:30
e0nerosmaita: thanks14:30
e0neso, technically we've got some code in cinder to get A/A HA working14:31
e0neand we've got very few drivers support it: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/doc/source/reference/support-matrix.ini#L84014:31
* jungleboyj catches up ... The Default Volume Type proposal looks good to me as well.14:32
jungleboyjWow, that is very few.14:32
e0nehour code says us that A/A is not supported yet: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/741412/2/cinder/cmd/volume.py and it confuses operators14:32
e0nes/hour/our14:33
smcginnis2114:33
smcginnisOops. :)14:33
e0neso my proposal it to CI job (we discussed it during Ussuri cyccle): https://review.opendev.org/#/c/741125/14:34
e0neI'm proposing this job as non-voting for now to get some time for bug fixes if any new bugs will be found14:34
e0neactually, I've found at least two bugs with simple tempest run in A/A mode14:35
e0nenote: our gates are not very stable today, so some of my patches have -1 from CI after rebase14:36
rosmaitawow, so even with no special A/A tests, you're getting failures in "normal" tempest when run A/A14:37
rosmaitai am in favor of adding this job14:37
e0neall patches are in the same chain, so 'Mark Active-Active mode as supported' can be merged only the last14:37
e0nerosmaita: yes, I'm going to implement some real A/A related tests later this cycle14:37
rosmaitaexcellent14:38
jungleboyjThat is scary.  Thanks for working on that e0ne14:38
e0nebut current tempest found that volume groups are broken in A/A mode now :(14:38
e0nethat's all updates about A/A from my side14:39
e0neI'm happy to get any feedback and reviews14:39
rosmaitaok, gives us some patches to review14:40
rosmaitathanks e0ne, this is good work14:40
rosmaita#topic The future of TSM backup driver 14:40
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rosmaitae0ne: you have the floor14:40
e0neI did some refactoring yesterday and found that some  TSM code is broken :(14:41
e0ne#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/742224/14:41
e0nesmcginnis suggested to remove this driver14:41
e0nesmcginnis: I'm sorry Sean, I was AFK yesterday and read your message only today's morning14:42
e0neas you may know, we don't have 3rd-party CI for backup drivers14:42
e0neand TSM driver requires some IBM software and/or hardware14:42
e0nehonestly, I even didn't try to run it14:43
e0neI think, it should be OK to deprecate it in the current cycle and remove in W14:44
rosmaitaok, i will send something to the ML announcing our plan14:44
e0nerosmaita: thanks a lot!14:44
rosmaitaand i will try to figure out who the TSM maintainer is14:44
e0neoh.. it could be a really complicated task :)14:45
rosmaitayeah14:45
jungleboyjLet me know if there is anything I can do to help there.14:45
e0neI digged for some commit in 2013 when broken code was introduced and stopped at that point14:45
jungleboyjI still have some contacts into IBM.14:46
jungleboyjIt is probably time to deprecate that though.14:46
e0nejungleboyj: would you like to setup 3rd-party CI  for TSM? ;)14:46
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rosmaitawe should have a discussion at the midcycle about backup driver maintenance14:46
* e0ne is joking14:46
e0nerosmaita: +114:46
jungleboyjHa ha.  I am already hosting logs for 3rd Party CI runs in my basement.14:47
rosmaitanot having 3rd party CI on these is ... not great14:47
jungleboyjWhy not set up a CI?  ;-)14:47
smcginnisI'm not even sure TSM is still even a product.14:47
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rosmaitai was wondering the same thing14:47
rosmaitaanything else on this one?14:48
jungleboyjThe last release was in 201114:48
rosmaitaok, thanks e0ne14:49
e0nerosmaita: you're welcome14:49
rosmaita#topic Last call: stable/pike14:49
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jungleboyjHe he:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Tivoli_Storage_Manager#/media/File:Original_IBM_Almaden_Research_WDSF_team_from_an_IBM_technical_award.jpg14:49
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rosmaitaok, there is widespread agreement that stable/ocata can go EOL and no one will miss it14:50
rosmaitahowever, there was one response to my proposal to EOL stable/pike14:50
rosmaita#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-July/015860.html14:50
e0neit's a party time! less code to maintain :)14:50
rosmaitaso, the situation is that there's a patch to get the stable/pike gate going again14:51
jungleboyjsmcginnis: 's favorite thing.  Removing code.14:51
rosmaitabut, i don't see any point in merging that if the cinder team is not interested in maintaining stable/pike14:51
smcginnisjungleboyj: \o/14:51
rosmaitai asked last week, and no one appeared interested14:51
rosmaitaso i just wanted to verify with the people present14:52
rosmaitais anyone interested in keeping stable/pike alive?14:52
rosmaitamy feeling is that just having it open is costing me too much psychic energy14:52
toskyjust out of curiosity: is there an update on the nova side? Did they merge their part of pike patches?14:53
rosmaitaand we could better spend our time fixing A/A in current branches14:53
rosmaitai believe they did14:53
e0nerosmaita: :_14:53
tosky(because if we drop pike, almost everyone drops pike)14:53
e0ne:)14:53
rosmaitabut the difference is that elod volunteered to maintain nova stable/pike14:53
rosmaitahe has not volunteered to maintain cinder stable/pike14:53
rosmaitaand i don't want to keep it open unless at least one cinder core agrees to "adopt" stable/pike14:54
jungleboyjNot it14:54
rosmaitamy opinion is that the project does not need the distraction14:55
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rosmaitaand if no one even wants to review stable/pike patches, then nothing can get in there anyway14:55
jungleboyjIf eharney isn't raising a concern then I think it is safe to retire it.14:55
eharneyretiring it is good14:56
rosmaitayay!14:56
rosmaitaok, will send out something on the ML and propose EOL patches14:56
rosmaitaactually, in reverse order -- i will put up the patches and then send something to the ML14:56
rosmaitaok, thanks everyone for that14:57
rosmaita#topic open discussion14:57
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Liang__could anybody help to review the volume local cache patches:)14:57
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rosmaitai think they are very close ^^14:58
whoami-rajat__I've some patches which i want to request reviews for14:58
whoami-rajat__1) https://review.opendev.org/#/c/721206/14:58
whoami-rajat__2) https://review.opendev.org/#/c/735513/14:58
whoami-rajat__3) https://review.opendev.org/#/c/737035/14:58
rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/66354914:59
Liang__rosmaita: thanks14:59
lsekibugfix for generic NFS driver is waiting for reviews, too (they're small) https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:bug/187036715:00
rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/70079915:00
rosmaitaok, please return to the meeting logs when you are looking for something to do15:00
rosmaita#endmeeting15:00
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jungleboyj:-)  Thanks!15:00
vishalmanchanda#startmeeting horizon15:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 22 15:00:40 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is vishalmanchanda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'horizon'15:00
vishalmanchandahi anyone around for horizon meeting.15:01
rdopierao/15:01
vishalmanchandardopiera: hi.15:02
vishalmanchandae0ne: Ivan is going to join a little late.15:02
vishalmanchandalet's wait for a few minutes if anyone joins.15:03
e0nehi15:03
amotokihi15:03
vishalmanchanda#chair e0ne15:03
openstackCurrent chairs: e0ne vishalmanchanda15:04
e0nelet's start15:05
e0ne#topic Notices15:05
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e0newe'll reach Victoria-2 milestone next week15:05
e0ne#link https://releases.openstack.org/victoria/schedule.html15:06
e0nenothing special for horizon15:06
e0nejust FYI15:06
amotokihave we dropped deprecated features we need to drop in victoria?15:06
e0neamotoki: I didn't check it yet15:07
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e0nebut it should be safe until FF15:07
amotokiI haven't checked it yet, but perhaps it is better to drop them if any before milestone-215:07
e0nesure, earlier is better15:07
e0ne#action e0ne to check for deprecated features to drop in Victoria15:08
e0neCommunity goals for V release: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/selected/victoria/index.html15:09
e0nenothing special for Horizon team to implement15:09
amotokiis there no things we need to work explicitly?15:10
e0neneed to check our zuul config once more15:11
rdopieraI plan to check the alternate scss libraries, but that's more research than coding15:12
amotokiyeah. let's check :)15:12
e0neamotoki:  I checked it few weeks ago and didn't find any legacy jobs there15:12
toskyiirc there are no legacy zuul jobs for horizon, you should be fine15:12
e0netosky: thanks!15:12
vishalmanchandaI think we can test horizon on focal like others https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:migrate-to-focal15:12
e0netosky: I appreciate your help with CI15:13
amotokie0ne: yes, I cleanedup all legacy jobs in the early stage of zuulv3 migration.15:13
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e0neoops, we've got some bionic-based jobs https://github.com/openstack/horizon/search?q=bionic&unscoped_q=bionic15:13
e0neI'll propose a patch after the meeting15:13
vishalmanchandae0ne: +1.15:14
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toskyare those nodeset different from the default ones?15:16
toskynodesets*15:16
toskywell, just one, ubuntu-bionic15:16
amotokinodejs10 is available in focal, so it would be simpler.15:16
e0netosky: they should not be. need to check if there are no issues with nodejs15:17
amotokithe nodeset definition was introduced when we used trusty15:17
amotokiit may be defined only for explicitly. I am not sure.15:17
e0neTBH, I didn't use nodejs from ubuntu packages15:17
amotokitosky: do you know where is the default node defined?15:18
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toskyamotoki: iirc in openstack-zuul-jobs15:19
toskyhttps://opendev.org/openstack/openstack-zuul-jobs/src/branch/master/zuul.d/nodesets.yaml15:20
amotokinodejs jobs inherit jobs definitions from zuul-jobs (not from openstack-zuul-jobs)15:20
amotokihttps://opendev.org/openstack/horizon/src/branch/master/.zuul.d/nodejs-jobs.yaml#L315:20
toskybut I guess it depends on what nodejs-run-lint use15:21
amotokiso perhaps explicit nodeset might make sense15:21
toskyyeah, I guess so15:21
toskyit's a less common case than the usual devstack jobs15:22
toskywhere the default can just be inherited15:22
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amotokias far as I checked, other jobs inherit from openstack-zuul-jobs. nodejs jobs look the only exceptions.15:25
amotoki*look like*15:26
e0nelet's move on the next topic15:28
e0nenext OpenStack Summit will be virtual again15:29
e0ne#link https://www.openstack.org/summit15:29
e0neI'm sorry, Open Infrastructure Summit15:29
e0neOct 19-23, 202015:29
e0neit will be less complicated than virtual PTG15:30
e0neand it sounds absolutely reasonable with the current situation15:30
e0neand one more announcement from me15:31
e0neI created a poll for Victoria virtual mid-cycle poll as we discussed at the PTG15:31
e0ne#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-July/016040.html15:31
e0neI don't expect a lot of discussion, so 1 hour should be enouph15:32
e0neotherwise, we can schedule one more session15:32
vishalmanchandae0ne: cool. already voted!15:32
amotokicandidate dates are July 27-31, but you said please response by Aug 4....15:33
e0neI tried to select timezone to be suitable both for US and Asia15:33
e0neamotoki: my bad. I meant Aug  5-715:33
e0newill send an update15:34
amotokie0ne: thanks15:34
e0neit's a crazy day for me :(15:34
amotokithe week of Aug 5 is a summer vacation week in my company :(15:34
e0neoh... we can schedule a week later I guess15:35
e0neI'm sorry, I have to run away in 10 minutes:(15:35
amotokiIf it is better to have it that week, I can coordinate my schedule but it is my schedule at the moment.15:36
amotokidue to the current situation I have no specific plan during that off week15:36
e0neamotoki: please, drop a note to the thread what dates are good for you15:37
amotokie0ne: any week is okay except that.15:37
amotokie0ne: I just wonder scheduling it later leads to less days till FF15:38
e0nethat's the issue15:38
e0nethe week of Sep 07 - Sep 11 is Feature Freeze15:39
amotokivishalmanchanda: rdopiera: what about you?15:40
amotokiI am okay to move my off week if the week of Aug 5 is fine to you all.15:41
vishalmanchandaamotoki: I can be available on any day except 3rd August.15:41
* e0ne is afk now15:41
vishalmanchandardopiera: what about you?15:43
vishalmanchandaI mean Aug 5 week works for you?15:43
rdopieravishalmanchanda: it does15:44
vishalmanchandardopiera: cool.15:44
vishalmanchandathen we can plan mid-cycle in August 5 week except Monday.15:46
vishalmanchandae0ne: around?15:47
amotokiokay, I will coordinate my schedule internally next week. (next two days are holidays in Japan)15:47
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vishalmanchandaamotoki: cool.15:48
vishalmanchandae0ne: I think Ivan is not around.15:49
vishalmanchandaGuys please vote to Ivan's poll for mid-cycle timing link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-July/016040.html15:50
vishalmanchandamoving on to next topic.15:51
vishalmanchanda#open-discussion15:51
amotokivishalmanchanda: you need '#topic' :p15:51
vishalmanchandaoops.15:51
vishalmanchanda#topic open-discussion15:52
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vishalmanchandaamotoki: I have fixed your comments on this patch https://review.opendev.org/#/c/708069/.15:52
vishalmanchandaPlease take a look once you have time.15:53
vishalmanchandardopiera: you too.15:53
amotokido we have a consensus on whether we should add 'details' to all exceptions.handle() or automatically add details to error messages?15:54
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amotokias long as in the horizon repo it looks better to add details automatically because you changes all occurrences of exceptions.handle()15:56
vishalmanchandaadding details to all exceptions.handle looks fine to me.15:57
amotokiI am not sure about horizon plugins, but if we plan to make similar changes for all plugins an explicit 'details' argument would not make sense.15:57
vishalmanchandardopiera: Do you want to add something here?15:57
vishalmanchandaamotoki: what is the issue in adding a additional parameter i.e 'details'.15:59
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rdopieranothing15:59
amotokivishalmanchanda: if all callers specify details=str(ex) it is just redundant.16:00
rdopierajust the fact that details don't always have to come from the exception16:00
vishalmanchandaok we can continue on #horizon channel.16:00
vishalmanchanda#endmeeting16:00
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