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| gouthamr | !! | 15:01 |
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| openstack | gouthamr: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 15:01 |
| gouthamr | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 13 15:01:53 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gouthamr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
| carloss | o/ | 15:02 |
| dviroel | hi | 15:02 |
| lseki | hi | 15:02 |
| andrebeltrami | hello! | 15:02 |
| tbarron | hey, sorry to be late, it's early for me | 15:02 |
| tbarron | :D | 15:02 |
| maaritamm | o/ | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | courtesy ping: ganso vkmc carloss danielarthurt | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | :P sorry carloss | 15:02 |
| carloss | np :) | 15:02 |
| danielarthurt | Hello! | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | hey everyone o/ it is summer vacations time, at least in the northern hemisphere and many folks may be away from their computers for good reasons | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | so this is going to be a short meeting likely :) | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | Agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings#Next_meeting | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | lets get started with | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| gouthamr | first and foremost, is our schedule - | 15:04 |
| gouthamr | our Feature Proposal Freeze is next week! | 15:04 |
| gouthamr | v | 15:04 |
| gouthamr | #link https://releases.openstack.org/victoria/schedule.html (victoria release schedule) | 15:04 |
| gouthamr | please have any patches polished up and uploaded, and passing CI by next week - so we can assess our feature review workload and catch things early | 15:04 |
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| gouthamr | if there are any concerns with this deadline, as always, let's discuss it either via this meeting, or the ML | 15:05 |
| gouthamr | and a friendly reminder to register for the upcoming OpenInfra summit and the OpenDev PTG | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/2020/?_eboga=1892306176.1579632769 | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 15:07 |
| gouthamr | the summit is oct 19-23, and the ptg is oct 26-30 | 15:07 |
| gouthamr | so its back to back weeks | 15:07 |
| gouthamr | the venue i hear is a lovely place this time, quite comfortable i'd hope | 15:07 |
| gouthamr | sorry for the tease, but we'll hopefully adjust our schedules well so that we don't have meeting fatigue | 15:08 |
| gouthamr | both these events are virtual, registration is 0$, so no reason not to do it :) - the program committees for both events send announcements to registered users | 15:09 |
| gouthamr | voting for summit presentations is open | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-August/016486.html | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | the last announcement today's a sad one, but not an unexpected one | 15:11 |
| gouthamr | xyang let me know (a while ago, my bad) that she cannot dedicate time to review patches | 15:11 |
| gouthamr | so she would like to be removed from the maintainers team - i conveyed our deep sense of gratitude for all the work she has done in the past to get manila up and running | 15:12 |
| dviroel | =( | 15:12 |
| * vkmc sneaks in o/ | 15:12 | |
| gouthamr | we'll see her around in the k8s community, and she's welcome here whenever | 15:13 |
| vkmc | :( | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | as we've maintained, our objective is to continue to grow the number of responsible maintainers | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | we'll mentor folks that are willing, please get in touch with any of the existing maintainers! | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | that's all i had in terms of announcements today, does anyone else have anything? | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | #topic Doc-a-thon recap | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Doc-a-thon recap (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:15 | |
| gouthamr | so we had an impactful event last week! | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | thanks to vkmc and vhari for putting things together | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | (vhari is out for the day) | 15:16 |
| vkmc | \o/ | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | #link https://ethercalc.openstack.org/ur17jprbprxx (doc-a-thon ethercalc) | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | i see a number of open doc reviews from that day | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | we've also gotten started on some hard ones | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | all of those bugs are targeted to milestone-3 | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | but, a number of them are available to review right now - please take a look at the etherpad | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | and review these docs | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | doc changes to user/admin guides may even be backported - so lets get these merged in the main branch :) | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | any other feedback on the doc-a-thon? | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | how did everyone else feel? | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | i feel we ought to make this a regular thing at least once each release, given how enthusiastically we swarmed on the doc bug backlog | 15:20 |
| carloss | I think that it was productive and we had a chance to work in several bugs that were opened for a long time | 15:20 |
| carloss | agree with the idea of doing it more often | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | the synchronous triage session was helpful so we could dive into each of these as a group, rather than have a conversation on the bug reports | 15:21 |
| dviroel | It was great to see everybody working together at that day | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | great! vkmc and vhari have plans for a bug-a-thon akin to this! | 15:22 |
| dviroel | for sure we should do more often | 15:22 |
| gouthamr | we'll probably aim to do that one after feature freeze | 15:22 |
| dviroel | cool | 15:22 |
| tbarron | +1 | 15:23 |
| vkmc | thanks everybody for joining that effort | 15:23 |
| vkmc | it was great .) | 15:23 |
| vkmc | :) | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | bug-a-thon may also be a good time to mentor new contributors | 15:23 |
| vkmc | I have to catch up with reviews now | 15:23 |
| vkmc | yep, next one will be a bug-a-thon... this was a pilot test | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | vkmc: Feature freeze is the week of sep 07011 | 15:24 |
| gouthamr | sep 07-11* | 15:24 |
| vkmc | yes | 15:24 |
| vkmc | gouthamr, I'm thinking after feature freeze | 15:25 |
| vkmc | when we start working on stabilization | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | i was hoping it'd be after GHC so we have some enthusiastic newbies :) | 15:25 |
| vkmc | gouthamr, that's a great idea | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | (backstory: vkmc enriquetaso and i are hoping to motivate some GHC attendees to get involved with manila - https://ghc.anitab.org/attend/) | 15:26 |
| vkmc | big challenge :D | 15:26 |
| vkmc | I'll wait for the open discussion to share more info on it, if you want to join us | 15:26 |
| gouthamr | vkmc: we can work out the details - we can do multiple days if we need to, one where we're swarming on the more complicated bugs and one specifically for new contributors | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | vkmc: ack, i'll roll on then.. | 15:27 |
| vkmc | gouthamr++ | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | any other questions/concerns/feedback regarding $topic? | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | #topic Questions for the User Survey | 15:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Questions for the User Survey (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:28 | |
| gouthamr | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/manila-zorilla-2021-user-survey-question (user survey candidate questions) | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | thank you for adding questions to that etherpad | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | we can pick two of these, and so i'd like for us to please vote against the questions submitted | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | just use +1 or -1 next to the question | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | we'll need to try and make these objective rather than subjective if possible, for a couple of reasons - survey fatigue, and for the reason that subjective answers are hard to parse and aggregate | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | but if we *must* use a subjective question, that's alright | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | so please vote, i'll take a look at this and compile, and ship it off to the foundation marketing team | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | any questions/concerns? | 15:32 |
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| vkmc | I've submitted a few :o | 15:32 |
| vkmc | no questions on my side | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | vkmc++ ty :) | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | okay | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | #topic Reviews needing attention | 15:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews needing attention (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:33 | |
| gouthamr | i'll restart the etherpad after next week | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | but, are there any languishing changes that you'd like eyes on? | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | we found that the etherpad is helpful when we're facing a deadline :) but, if you have a review you're not getting attention on, you're welcome to bring it up to this meeting | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | edit the agenda on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings#Next_meeting and i'll know | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | hearing none, lets move on to some bug triage | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | #topic Bugs | 15:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:35 | |
| gouthamr | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/manila-bug-triage-pad-new | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | vhari farmed out a list for us to look at | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1890537 | 15:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1890537 in OpenStack Shared File Systems Service (Manila) "RHOSP16(Train) Unity manila NFS access-allow does not work for a specific IP, but it works for a subnet." [Undecided,New] | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | hmmm, i wonder if the IP without /32 will work on that driver | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | interesting bug nevertheless | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | we expect drivers to treat IPv4 /32 and IPv6 /128 as single IP addresses | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | we'll let the dell/emc folks take this bug, but i think its a "medium" (which is almost a "high" for a driver bug) | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | any disagreements? | 15:38 |
| dviroel | no | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | okay next | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1886904 | 15:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1886904 in OpenStack Shared File Systems Service (Manila) "Access rule is not successfully applies to share" [Undecided,New] | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | an interesting one, it looks like we inadvertently factored out the reconciliation loop for service failures into the "ensure_shares" mechanism | 15:40 |
| tbarron | what are the consequences when one hits this bug? | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | and "ensure_shares" will be called on service startup only if the driver needs it | 15:40 |
| tbarron | for the user? | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | the user will see the rule never applied | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | teh state is correct "queued_to_apply" | 15:41 |
| tbarron | can they delete it and reapply? | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | yes, or perform *any* further access rule operation on the share | 15:41 |
| tbarron | right | 15:41 |
| tbarron | agree with your analysis on likely fix | 15:42 |
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| tbarron | just trying to ask the triage question w.r.t. severity | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | ack, we can make this a medium too and note the workaround | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | we have a class of these service failure issues that lkuchlan's bringing up | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | like a share that gets stuck creating/deleting | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | we could brainstorm a common solution | 15:43 |
| tbarron | +1 | 15:43 |
| dviroel | +1 | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | any volunteers to take this bug/ | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | i'll assign it to myself, and get to it sometime-ish | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1886690 | 15:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1886690 in OpenStack Shared File Systems Service (Manila) "Misleading asynchronous user message when share services are down" [Low,New] | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | yay, my favorite one now | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | oh, i reported it too | 15:45 |
| vkmc | xD | 15:45 |
| * gouthamr calms down | 15:45 | |
| gouthamr | okay this is potentially a low hanging fruit, but also an opinion | 15:45 |
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| tbarron | gouthamr should have to be up before dawn more often | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | when the share service is down, the user message for failures ought to say something along the lines of | 15:46 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: yeah, the thing on this one is to drive agreement on the right message | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | "No storage could be allocated for this share request. Share back end services are not ready yet, trying again after a while may succeed. Contact your administrator in case retrying does not help." | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | i think | 15:46 |
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| gouthamr | any disagreements, or is that leaking the abstraction too much | 15:47 |
| tbarron | I like it. | 15:47 |
| dviroel | lgtm | 15:47 |
| vkmc | makes sense to me | 15:47 |
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| gouthamr | s/Share back end services/services -- if necessary | 15:47 |
| tbarron | We're not disclosing back end details, that there is some back end that has to be ready is not a secret. | 15:48 |
| tbarron | but the substitution is fine by me too | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | ack | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | any volunteers to fix this up | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | we could keep it around for ghc/new contributors - its a fairly easy bug fix | 15:49 |
| vkmc | gouthamr, I can take this | 15:49 |
| vkmc | I have a mentee starting up | 15:50 |
| vkmc | :) | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | ooh, nice ty vkmc | 15:50 |
| carloss | lgtm as well :) | 15:50 |
| vkmc | I'll grab it in the meantime | 15:50 |
| vkmc | ... and set it to triaged | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | awesome, thank you | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | lets stop the triage for today with this | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | #topic Open Discussion | 15:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:51 | |
| gouthamr | vkmc: tell us about GHC | 15:52 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:52 |
| vkmc | so, GHC stands for Grace Hopper Celebration | 15:52 |
| vkmc | it's a huge conference that has been ongoing for several years | 15:53 |
| vkmc | and they have the "open source day" | 15:53 |
| vkmc | we are participating as a community for this day | 15:53 |
| vkmc | for this, we will be doing a hands on event in which we will help participants to make their first contribution | 15:53 |
| vkmc | we expect to do some pair programming with them and work on some low hanging fruit bugs | 15:53 |
| vkmc | as gouthamr mentioned, enriquetaso and him will be joining as mentors | 15:54 |
| vkmc | spotz and I are coordinating | 15:54 |
| vkmc | we do need more mentors though | 15:54 |
| vkmc | we expect 30 participants to join and we expect to get at least 4 more people | 15:54 |
| vkmc | if you are interested, please let me know | 15:54 |
| tbarron | date? | 15:55 |
| vkmc | also if you are hesitant on how is to mentor, also let me know | 15:55 |
| vkmc | oct 1st | 15:55 |
| tbarron | ty | 15:55 |
| vkmc | from 8.30pm PT to 6.00pm PT | 15:55 |
| vkmc | probably we will make it shorter | 15:55 |
| vkmc | but initially that's the length | 15:55 |
| vkmc | (full day) | 15:55 |
| vkmc | #link https://ghc.anitab.org/ | 15:56 |
| * gouthamr an event in PT :) | 15:56 | |
| vkmc | #link https://ghc.anitab.org/get-involved/volunteer/ | 15:56 |
| vkmc | also, it is worth mentioning, if you sign up as mentors for the open source day, you will get a full pass for the whole conference | 15:56 |
| vkmc | :) | 15:56 |
| vkmc | comments, questions? | 15:57 |
| gouthamr | thank you for sharing vkmc - its an awesome mentoring opportunity, and a way to promote openstack and manila among a great gathering | 15:58 |
| vkmc | yaas, thanks you gouthamr for the broadcasting space and for joining us as mentor | 15:58 |
| gouthamr | always | 15:59 |
| gouthamr | we're close to the hour - let's take this to #openstack-manila - thanks for joining everyone | 15:59 |
| gouthamr | stay safe, and enjoy any time off you may have planned | 15:59 |
| gouthamr | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 13 15:59:55 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2020/manila.2020-08-13-15.01.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2020/manila.2020-08-13-15.01.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2020/manila.2020-08-13-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
| priteau | #startmeeting blazar | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 13 16:00:08 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is priteau. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'blazar' | 16:00 |
| priteau | #topic Roll call | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll call (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 16:00 | |
| priteau | Chameleon folks are not available today | 16:21 |
| priteau | I am working on fixing CI which is failing due to py38 / flask mock | 16:21 |
| priteau | #endmeeting | 16:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:21 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 13 16:21:58 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2020/blazar.2020-08-13-16.00.html | 16:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2020/blazar.2020-08-13-16.00.txt | 16:22 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2020/blazar.2020-08-13-16.00.log.html | 16:22 |
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