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rosmaita | #startmeeting cinder | 14:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 20 14:00:04 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 14:00 |
rosmaita | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
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jungleboyj | o/ | 14:00 |
michael-mcaleer | hi | 14:00 |
whoami-rajat___ | Hi | 14:00 |
sfernand | hi | 14:00 |
enriquetaso | hi | 14:01 |
eharney | hi | 14:01 |
tosky | hi | 14:01 |
e0ne | hi | 14:02 |
rosmaita | hello everyone, let's get started | 14:03 |
rosmaita | #topic announcements | 14:03 |
*** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:03 | |
rosmaita | just for awareness, the Xena python runtimes have been proposed | 14:03 |
rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/770860 | 14:03 |
rosmaita | python 3.6 and 3.8 | 14:04 |
rosmaita | if you have any opinions or comments, leave them on the review ^^ | 14:04 |
rosmaita | also, if you are interested in requirements-type stuff | 14:04 |
rosmaita | the lower-constraints discussion is continuing | 14:04 |
rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-January/019672.html | 14:04 |
rosmaita | that's the email thread (a lot of messages) | 14:05 |
rosmaita | there will also be some discussion at the TC meeting tomorrow | 14:05 |
rosmaita | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee#Next_Meeting | 14:05 |
rosmaita | so far, it's looking like we may keep lower-constraints but only for direct dependencies | 14:05 |
rosmaita | and we will be updating requirements (and hence lower constraints) more frequently | 14:06 |
rosmaita | an issue on the ML is whether there is an easy way to determine that the requirements list actually contains all direct dependencies | 14:06 |
rosmaita | because it's easy to pick them up via another dependency | 14:06 |
rosmaita | so if you have ideas, opinions, please chime in | 14:06 |
rosmaita | #topic announcements - upcoming deadlines | 14:07 |
*** openstack changes topic to "announcements - upcoming deadlines (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:07 | |
rosmaita | R-12 - this week - wallaby milestone 2 | 14:07 |
rosmaita | key issue is the new driver merge deadline is M-2 | 14:08 |
rosmaita | we will discuss that in detail later | 14:08 |
rosmaita | R-9 - Feb 8 - virtual midcycle part 2 | 14:08 |
rosmaita | R-6 - March 1 - wallaby os-brick release | 14:08 |
rosmaita | R-5 - March 8 - wallaby cinderclient release, Milestone 3, 3rd Party CI Compliance Check | 14:08 |
rosmaita | i should mention that those dates are "week of" dates | 14:09 |
rosmaita | actual deadline is usually thursday of that week | 14:09 |
rosmaita | something i want to ask right now is whether the week of Feb 8 still looks good for a midcycle | 14:09 |
rosmaita | is anyone aware of any major conflicts? | 14:10 |
rosmaita | you can check your calendars and bring it up at open discussion | 14:10 |
rosmaita | if there aren't any conflicts, i'll circulate a poll about the day/time for the meeting | 14:11 |
rosmaita | next announcement is some sad news | 14:11 |
rosmaita | Last week of michael-mcaleer as bug deputy | 14:11 |
rosmaita | and even worse, moving teams and no longer working on cinder | 14:11 |
enriquetaso | :( | 14:11 |
michael-mcaleer | yeah found out last week im moving to another platform | 14:11 |
rosmaita | on behalf of the team, i'd like to thank michael-mcaleer for his work as bug deputy | 14:12 |
michael-mcaleer | I dont think ill be working with openstack but if I was it would likely be manila | 14:12 |
rosmaita | it's been very helpful | 14:12 |
rosmaita | well, i'm sure the manila team will be glad to have you | 14:12 |
eharney | yes, thanks for the work for sure | 14:12 |
jungleboyj | :-( | 14:12 |
michael-mcaleer | thanks rosmaita :) short but enjoyable as bug deputy, and a very very fulfilling 5 years working as a contributor | 14:12 |
rosmaita | yes, you have left your mark on the project! | 14:12 |
michael-mcaleer | ive come a long way since a green behind the ears sw dev | 14:12 |
jungleboyj | michael-mcaleer: Thank you for all your contributions. | 14:12 |
michael-mcaleer | thanks everyone :) | 14:13 |
michael-mcaleer | I might be back in the future, I see myself staying active in the open-source space | 14:13 |
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rosmaita | best wishes | 14:13 |
rosmaita | on the positive side, there is now an opening for bug deputy | 14:14 |
rosmaita | i'm sure michael-mcaleer will be happy to talk with you about how he's been doing it if you are interested in picking that up | 14:14 |
rosmaita | ok, last item | 14:14 |
michael-mcaleer | no problem at all, feel free to reach out | 14:14 |
rosmaita | next week is the final meeting of the month, so will be held simultaneously on irc and video | 14:14 |
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rosmaita | connection info will most likely be the usual, but i will send out a confirming email early next week | 14:15 |
rosmaita | ok, that's it for announcements | 14:15 |
rosmaita | #topic new drivers status | 14:15 |
*** openstack changes topic to "new drivers status (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:15 | |
rosmaita | ok, we've got 4 volume drivers and 1 backup driver proposed, and tomorrow is the merge deadline | 14:16 |
rosmaita | so, let's see what's up with them | 14:16 |
rosmaita | Dell EMC PowerVault ME Series | 14:16 |
rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder/+/758684/ | 14:17 |
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rosmaita | \o/ merged!!! | 14:17 |
rosmaita | s3 cinder backup driver | 14:17 |
rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder/+/746561 | 14:17 |
rosmaita | the code on this one looks basically OK to me | 14:18 |
e0ne | +1. but I didn't test it | 14:18 |
rosmaita | there's a proposed CI job, though it doesn't seem to be passing | 14:18 |
rosmaita | does anyone have time to test this one out? | 14:19 |
rosmaita | or, to help with the CI job, which would be a decent alternative | 14:19 |
rosmaita | to manual testing, i mean | 14:19 |
rosmaita | do we traditionally require CI on backup drivers? | 14:20 |
e0ne | rosmaita: I didn't see job proposal before. I'll check it | 14:20 |
jungleboyj | I can at least look through the code on that one. I haven't looked at that driver yet. | 14:20 |
e0ne | rosmaita: unfortunately, we didn't :( | 14:21 |
jungleboyj | rosmaita: I think we talked about the fact that we 'wished' we had those CIed, but we don't. | 14:21 |
jungleboyj | So, don't think it would be fair to block them on that. | 14:21 |
rosmaita | ok, just thought i'd ask. the CI job would be nice, then | 14:21 |
eharney | what does the s3 backup CI job back up to? s3 itself? something that looks like s3? | 14:21 |
rosmaita | i think it's backing up to swift | 14:22 |
eharney | ah ok | 14:22 |
rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder/+/770210 | 14:22 |
e0ne | jungleboyj: fair enough but somebody should confirm that it works with S3 | 14:23 |
jungleboyj | Agreed. | 14:23 |
rosmaita | tosky: if you have a few minutes to look at that CI job, i'm not sure they've picked the best base job to use | 14:23 |
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rosmaita | i guess an alternative would be for the driver proposer to deploy the driver in devstack and run tempest and post the logs? | 14:24 |
rosmaita | what i propose for this driver is let's review the code (i haven't looked at the latest patch set) but hold off on merging until we have some kind of testing verification | 14:26 |
e0ne | rosmaita: sound good | 14:26 |
rosmaita | ok, to be specific, let's aim for two +2s by the merge deadline tomorrow (though not merging), and then an extension of 1 week (to next thursday) to get testing verification | 14:27 |
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rosmaita | if the above is met, it is eligible for wallaby | 14:28 |
e0ne | +1 | 14:28 |
rosmaita | driver for TOYOU ACS5000 | 14:28 |
rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder/+/767290/ | 14:28 |
jungleboyj | ++ for the backup driver plan. | 14:28 |
rosmaita | ty | 14:28 |
rosmaita | last i looked at this one, it was really close. the CI is running, though not reporting reliably | 14:29 |
rosmaita | i told them as long as they get it responding properly by M-3, that is OK | 14:29 |
rosmaita | so this is mainly an issue of code, which i think jungleboyj and smcginnis had given them comments on | 14:30 |
rosmaita | so at this point it's a matter of verifying the revisions | 14:31 |
jungleboyj | Yeah. They had six.text_type in there. | 14:31 |
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jungleboyj | Looks like they have removed that. I just need to do a quick scan over it. | 14:31 |
tosky | rosmaita: sorry, I will look at that | 14:31 |
jungleboyj | I am ok with your plan on the CI. So, we should be able to merge this. | 14:31 |
rosmaita | tosky: ty | 14:31 |
jungleboyj | Once I look through it and if smcginnis is good. | 14:32 |
rosmaita | ok, i know smcginnis is in a time crunch these days, so i will review and make sure his comments were addressed | 14:32 |
jungleboyj | rosmaita: Sounds like a good plan. | 14:32 |
rosmaita | cool, lets us both review today and wait to merge until smcginnis gives a final OK | 14:32 |
jungleboyj | ++ | 14:32 |
rosmaita | all right, so unless we discover something horrible, i think this one is good for the merge deadline | 14:33 |
rosmaita | ceph iscsi volume driver | 14:33 |
rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder/+/662829 | 14:33 |
rosmaita | i think this is looking good, but the CI hasn't been passing | 14:33 |
rosmaita | (or at least wasn't the last time i looked) | 14:33 |
rosmaita | this is the CI patch: | 14:34 |
rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder/+/667108 | 14:34 |
rosmaita | ok, so that's in the gate now | 14:35 |
jungleboyj | I would like to see this get in. Could we give it the M-3 deadline to have that working? | 14:35 |
rosmaita | i was going to ask, has anyone tried this one out? | 14:36 |
rosmaita | i know a lot of people are interested in it | 14:36 |
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rosmaita | m-3 seems kind of far away ... how about 2 weeks? | 14:38 |
rosmaita | that would be feb 5 | 14:38 |
jungleboyj | hemna: ^^ | 14:39 |
jungleboyj | I think it is up to hemna as to if he can get things done. | 14:39 |
rosmaita | i think the code is in good shape, so it would just be small changes if there's a bug preventing the CI from working | 14:39 |
rosmaita | ok, let's say feb 5 and we can have a status checkpoint next week | 14:40 |
jungleboyj | Ok. Sounds fair. | 14:40 |
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rosmaita | ok, i think that leaves the Kumoscale driver and associated brick changes | 14:40 |
rosmaita | cinder volume driver | 14:41 |
rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder/+/768574 | 14:41 |
rosmaita | brick nvmeof connector mdraid support | 14:41 |
rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/os-brick/+/768575 | 14:41 |
rosmaita | brick "healing agent" | 14:41 |
rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/os-brick/+/768576 | 14:42 |
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rosmaita | so, these are in various states. i understand from the team that they do have CI running but i don't think it's reporting yet | 14:42 |
rosmaita | i know there are some people interested in the updated nvmeof connector | 14:43 |
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rosmaita | my opinion on this is that our (cinder team) review bandwidth has been low this cycle, so i would like to give them a little more time | 14:44 |
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rosmaita | and, it looks like the other proposed drivers are all reviewed, it's a matter of CI for the others at this point | 14:45 |
rosmaita | so we could concentrate on this final driver | 14:45 |
jungleboyj | I have only quickly looked at the KumoScale driver. Big driver. | 14:46 |
jungleboyj | Whatever you think is best here. | 14:46 |
rosmaita | well, it looks like we have some current FC drivers responding on the os-brick patches | 14:47 |
rosmaita | so we'll hopefully be able to detect any bad regressions | 14:47 |
rosmaita | but, this is a heads-up to FC driver maintainers to look at those brick patches! | 14:47 |
rosmaita | unless there's an objection, i'm willing to extend the merge deadline out to Feb 8 for this | 14:49 |
rosmaita | ok, i guess there are no objections | 14:50 |
jungleboyj | Ok. | 14:50 |
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rosmaita | OK, i will put all the above in an email to the ML today | 14:51 |
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rosmaita | so, a bunch of new drivers in wallaby ... that's good news | 14:51 |
rosmaita | #topic "ospurge" via openstackclient via openstacksdk | 14:51 |
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rosmaita | this is really just an awareness thing at this point | 14:52 |
rosmaita | it came up on the ML: | 14:52 |
rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-January/019874.html | 14:52 |
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rosmaita | short story is, there is support in the openstackclient for a "purge" operation that is supposed to clean up when a project is deleted | 14:53 |
rosmaita | is uses the openstacksdk: | 14:53 |
rosmaita | #link https://opendev.org/openstack/openstacksdk/src/branch/master/openstack/block_storage/v3/_proxy.py#L547 | 14:53 |
rosmaita | that's already merged code | 14:53 |
rosmaita | the osc patch is here: | 14:53 |
rosmaita | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-openstackclient/+/734485 | 14:53 |
rosmaita | i think it would be a good midcycle topic to look at what's actually being purged and see whether stuff could be added | 14:54 |
eharney | well i guess it doesn't purge things like cinder quotas configured for a project | 14:55 |
rosmaita | or private volume-type where only that project has access | 14:55 |
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rosmaita | i guess on that note, i should mention that with the R-9 midcycle coming up, please add topics: | 14:56 |
rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/cinder-wallaby-mid-cycles | 14:56 |
rosmaita | #topic stable releases | 14:56 |
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rosmaita | whoami-rajat___: that's you | 14:57 |
whoami-rajat___ | thanks | 14:57 |
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whoami-rajat___ | so just wanted to spread awareness that we've planned for a stable release on R-7 which is in 2 weeks gap with the mid-cycle on R-9 | 14:57 |
rosmaita | i agree with that timing | 14:58 |
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rosmaita | we can take a look at potential backports at the midcycle | 14:58 |
whoami-rajat___ | i will add a topic in the mid-cycle if anyone would like to include any important backport | 14:59 |
whoami-rajat___ | yes, as rosmaita said | 14:59 |
whoami-rajat___ | I will create a new tracker doc for the current open patches and provide updates on it from next meeting | 14:59 |
rosmaita | ok, thanks ... we are out of time | 15:00 |
rosmaita | let's clear out for horizon | 15:00 |
whoami-rajat___ | thanks! | 15:00 |
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jungleboyj | Thanks! | 15:00 |
rosmaita | sorry no open discussion, there's always the cinder channel | 15:00 |
rosmaita | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:00 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 20 15:00:30 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2021/cinder.2021-01-20-14.00.html | 15:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2021/cinder.2021-01-20-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2021/cinder.2021-01-20-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
e0ne | #startmeeting horizon | 15:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 20 15:01:25 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is e0ne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 15:01 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 15:01 |
e0ne | hi everybody | 15:02 |
amotoki | o/ | 15:02 |
rdopiera | o/ | 15:02 |
tmazur | o/ | 15:02 |
vishalmanchanda | hi all | 15:02 |
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e0ne | we've got a good team to start with :) | 15:02 |
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e0ne | #topic Notices | 15:03 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Notices (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 15:03 | |
e0ne | tomorrow is the wallaby-2 milestone | 15:03 |
e0ne | #link https://releases.openstack.org/wallaby/schedule.html#wallaby-2-milestone | 15:03 |
e0ne | nothing special for horizon | 15:04 |
e0ne | we'll just cut a new release to provide as early as possible it for plugins and users | 15:04 |
e0ne | it's not required but let's allow plugins to test the latest code | 15:05 |
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e0ne | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-January/019672.html | 15:08 |
e0ne | ^^ it's lower-contraints discussion | 15:08 |
e0ne | TC will discuss it tomorrow during the meeting | 15:09 |
e0ne | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee#Next_Meeting | 15:09 |
e0ne | and the last one | 15:10 |
amotoki | some ideas are proposed in this thread | 15:10 |
e0ne | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/770860 | 15:10 |
e0ne | ^^ here is the list of proposed runtimes for X release | 15:10 |
amotoki | perhaps it does not affect horizon at least in Xena | 15:11 |
amotoki | horizon dependencies like scss does not support python3.9 and django3 | 15:11 |
amotoki | so it would be an issue when we start to support python3.9 | 15:11 |
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e0ne | let's see. probably it's a good idea to have non-voting job with python3.9 | 15:12 |
amotoki | perhaps unit test succeeds with py39 as scss and django-scss aree not related to UT | 15:13 |
e0ne | :( | 15:14 |
amotoki | e0ne: I think you are now one of maintainers of scss? | 15:14 |
amotoki | my memory is not sure on how we handle scss and django-scss when they hit a problem last time | 15:15 |
e0ne | yes, and I can merge pull request with python3.9 support :) | 15:15 |
e0ne | amotoki: I forked that projects and we switched to forks | 15:15 |
e0ne | amotoki: later I became a maintainer of pyscss and fixed it, so we switched back to pyscss | 15:16 |
amotoki | e0ne: but I think we moved back to the original one? | 15:16 |
amotoki | you wrote faster than me :) | 15:16 |
e0ne | :) | 15:16 |
amotoki | we see several warnings when we run manage.py compress with py3 http://paste.openstack.org/show/801774/ | 15:17 |
amotoki | perhaps they need to be addressed for py39 | 15:17 |
e0ne | thanks! | 15:18 |
e0ne | at least, I'll file a bug for pyscss :) | 15:18 |
e0ne | does anybody have announcements? | 15:19 |
vishalmanchanda | nothing from my side. | 15:20 |
rdopiera | I would only like to mention one thing that we are going to work on in W, that we only just learned about recently | 15:20 |
rdopiera | We want to improve horizon's support of the role-based policies, with focus on read-only roles in particular | 15:20 |
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rdopiera | so we will probably be submitting a bunch of patches that change permission checks from checking the role to checking the actual permissions | 15:21 |
e0ne | I hope, it won't break a lot | 15:22 |
rdopiera | I do realize we are late with this, and I don't expect help with it -- in the worst case it won't make it to W | 15:22 |
amotoki | rdopiera: great. I think it affects the UI design of horizon right. As automatic swtiching of toke leads to confusions. | 15:22 |
rdopiera | amotoki: I don't want to touch that part too much if possible... | 15:23 |
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rdopiera | so more of incremental improvement than revolution | 15:23 |
rdopiera | I certainly don't want to change the ui | 15:23 |
amotoki | one of tricky and difficult points is how to manage a case where some projects support system-scope and some projects do not. | 15:23 |
amotoki | in addition we need to consider a case where a user is NOT associated with a project (i.e. a user is associated only with system-scope all) | 15:24 |
amotoki | I am not sure what is a good compromise and right limitations. | 15:25 |
rdopiera | I guess we will make those decisions once we get to those points | 15:25 |
amotoki | anyway I can help reviews. I have no code to support it now but I was thinking problems around system-scope support. | 15:26 |
amotoki | All problems I see are specific to horizon. | 15:26 |
amotoki | rdopiera: it is better to land https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/769236 soon? | 15:26 |
rdopiera | amotoki: I don't see a point for that patch, is it necessary for anything, or is it just cosmetic? | 15:29 |
amotoki | rdopiera: the main goal of this patch is to handle deprecated rules in horizon | 15:29 |
amotoki | and make horizon work with the latest default policues from back-end serivces like keystone. | 15:29 |
vishalmanchanda | amotoki: I think you mean this patch https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/750134 | 15:30 |
e0ne | amotoki: did you post a wrong url? | 15:30 |
amotoki | ah,,,,. sorry https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/750134 is the right one | 15:30 |
rdopiera | I was confused, because I also expected your policy patch | 15:30 |
amotoki | I opened several pages :( | 15:30 |
rdopiera | yes, I have it open in my browser tab for the last two weeks | 15:31 |
rdopiera | sorry it's taking so long | 15:31 |
amotoki | rdopiera: got it. I will update it ASAP | 15:31 |
rdopiera | I'm still getting to know the whole policy thing | 15:32 |
e0ne | amotoki: I'm ok with this patch once you update versions and ad release notes | 15:32 |
amotoki | rdopiera: hopefully you can share some planning note on this if any. I will share my thought. | 15:34 |
e0ne | #topic Open Discussion | 15:34 |
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* e0ne finally changed a topic | 15:34 | |
amotoki | regarding jquery thing, I proposed a patch to bump the min ver of xstatic-django per discussion last week https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/771577 | 15:35 |
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e0ne | amotoki: +2'ed | 15:36 |
amotoki | so the next step will be to merge xstatic-jquery-migrate from rdopiera and release it | 15:37 |
amotoki | do we plan to do something on jquery 3 in this release? | 15:40 |
rdopiera | I would love to switch to it too, we can | 15:41 |
rdopiera | that would resolve some cves | 15:41 |
amotoki | let's try it :) | 15:42 |
rdopiera | *if we can | 15:42 |
e0ne | :) | 15:44 |
amotoki | nothing more from my side | 15:49 |
e0ne | we saved 10 minutes today :) | 15:50 |
amotoki | :) | 15:51 |
e0ne | thanks everybody for your contirbutions! | 15:52 |
e0ne | see you next week | 15:52 |
tmazur | thanks everyone! | 15:53 |
e0ne | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
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