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| rosmaita | #startmeeting cinder | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 10 14:01:13 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 14:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 14:01 |
| almir-okato | o/ | 14:01 |
| whoami-rajat | Hi | 14:02 |
| e0ne | hi | 14:02 |
| eharney | hi | 14:02 |
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| tosky | hi | 14:03 |
| TusharTgite | hi | 14:03 |
| enriquetaso | hi | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | hello everyone | 14:05 |
| geguileo | hi! | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-wallaby-meetings | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | #topic announcements | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:05 | |
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| rosmaita | the Xena PTG has been scheduled | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | 19-23 April | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | it's free to attend but you need to register | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-March/020778.html | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | info ^^ | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | we need to start planning | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/xena-ptg-cinder-planning | 14:07 |
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| rosmaita | first thing is to decide what times we will meet | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | and for how long | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | i think we should stick with what we've done for the past virtual PTGs | 14:07 |
| e0ne | +1 | 14:07 |
| enriquetaso | +1 | 14:07 |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita: ++ | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | but, i am open to ideas to accommodate people who those times don't work for | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | so if the stated times are bad for you, let me know either on the etherpad or in irc | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | the other question is about how long to meet each day | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | we've been doing 3 hour blocks, but could do 4 | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | i think 3 hours has been working ok | 14:09 |
| e0ne | 3 hours sounds better to me. It's easier to dedicate a time | 14:10 |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita: ++ | 14:10 |
| geguileo | 3 hours sounds good | 14:10 |
| whoami-rajat | 3 hour works for me | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | ok, guess there's a consensus, we will stick with 3 hours | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | that was easy! | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | next item | 14:11 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | os-brick 4.3.0 has been released and the stable/wallaby branch has been cut | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | you may have seen a complaint on the ML about the aggressive update to requirements | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | not sure there's anything we can do about that now | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | or if i want to, anyway | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | key point for this meeting is that if you find a bug in os-brick 4.3.0 | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | bugfixes must be proposed to master and backported to stable/wallaby | 14:13 |
| whoami-rajat | adding to it, we've similar bumps in all stable releases | 14:13 |
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| rosmaita | so os-brick master is now xena development | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | welcome to the future | 14:13 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 14:14 |
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| rosmaita | ok, this week is cinderclient release and the feature freeze | 14:14 |
| e0ne | :) | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | also requirements freeze | 14:14 |
| jungleboyj | Where does the time go? | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | no kidding | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | ok, as far as feature freeze goes | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | we are working from the blueprints in launchpad for wallaby | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/wallaby | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | so, if you have a feature listed in there, it will be really helpful if you make sure links to your patches are in the "Whiteboard" section of you BP | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | *your BP | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | except for the cinderclient patches we are about to discuss, those are the review top priority for the next few days | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | #topic cinderclient release | 14:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "cinderclient release (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:18 | |
| rosmaita | i have made a handy etherpad | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/wallaby-cinderclient | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | the brick extension just has one open easy maintenance patch | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | cinderclient has a bunch of maintenance patches | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | should be quick reviews | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | important patch is the version bump | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | i will reach out to cores personally once the release notes and requirements patches are ready | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | looking at the open reviews | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/python-cinderclient+status:open | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | i don't see anything else other than maybe the client cert patch | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | but i haven't looked at/thought about it | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | any opinions? | 14:22 |
| eharney | it seems kind of risky to slip in at the last minute to me | 14:22 |
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| rosmaita | that is my thought | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | we will push that one to xena | 14:24 |
| eharney | presumably work would be happening in other clients/services for mtls too if this is of interest, we should see what | 14:24 |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita: ++ Good call. | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | if it turns out to be important, we can do a very early xena release that will be compatible with wallaby | 14:24 |
| jungleboyj | I started looking at it yesterday and had the same thought. | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | ok, thanks | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | you will notice the absence of a v2-support-removal patch | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | i am in the middle of one, but i am not going to try to rush it in | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | i don't think we'll be removing v2 from cinder this cycle either | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | but, i think it should be top priority for xena | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | both client and cinder | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | we will organize it at the PTG | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | last item | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | looks like i need to put together an etherpad of the cinder feature reviews | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | i will do that after the meeting | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | asking people to go to launchpad and then find the reviews doesn't seem to be working | 14:28 |
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| rosmaita | i will send the link to the ML and #openstack-cinder when it's ready | 14:28 |
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| rosmaita | only items on that list will be eligible for feature freeze | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | so watch for it and check to make sure your reviews are on it | 14:28 |
| whoami-rajat | rosmaita: one ques, are driver features also included in the BPs? | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | whoami-rajat: yes, they are supposed to be | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | that's the "driver features declaration" deadline on the release schedule | 14:29 |
| whoami-rajat | then i think zadara has one feature that they haven't created a bp for | 14:29 |
| whoami-rajat | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder/+/774463 | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | i will have to check, i thought there was a bp for that | 14:30 |
| whoami-rajat | then i might've missed it, my bad | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | or i did | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | but we've discussed that patch at a previous meeting, so i think it should be included as a wallaby feature | 14:31 |
| whoami-rajat | i don't find anything with zadara here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/wallaby | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | ok, i will fix that | 14:32 |
| whoami-rajat | thanks | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | one note to people with driver patches | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | some of the CIs are not responding automatically | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | so please check (a) your CI, and (b) run it on your patch if you have to | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | a lot of people prioritize reviews by whether the patch is passing its own CI | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | so make sure the info is on the review for everyone to see | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | also | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | please follow the release note format so we don't waste cycles re-submitting | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | #link https://docs.openstack.org/cinder/latest/contributor/releasenotes.html | 14:35 |
| sfernand | ack | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | thanks! | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | ok, that's all from me | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | #topic Cinder backup - upload chunk in parallel (ThreadPoolExecutor)? | 14:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cinder backup - upload chunk in parallel (ThreadPoolExecutor)? (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:36 | |
| hemna | heh | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | i think this was left over from last week, not sure who's item it is | 14:36 |
| hemna | is there a review for it? | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | not sure, but i have one for you hemna: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/rbd-iscsi-client/+/774748 | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | ok, we will postpone this topic | 14:37 |
| hemna | ok cool thanks. | 14:37 |
| eharney | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder/+/779233 i think | 14:37 |
| hemna | we have been seeing some perf issues with chunked backup driver and are looking into parallelism as well | 14:37 |
| hemna | 2Tb volume backups take like 20+ hours :( | 14:38 |
| jungleboyj | :-( | 14:38 |
| eharney | does parallelism fix that? | 14:38 |
| hemna | yah, I think we are cpu bound | 14:39 |
| e0ne | the patch looks good but we need to be careful, it could affect several drivers | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | ok, then i don't want to rush it in before FF | 14:39 |
| eharney | if nothing else that patch needs an option added for # of threads IMO, also needs careful review | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | let's push it to Xena | 14:39 |
| hemna | nah, better be safe | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | eharney: ++ | 14:40 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | iirc, swift will throttle writes to a single container, so it can be counterproductive if you're not careful | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | ok, moving along | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | #topic random issues with tgt, breakages in some jobs, proposal to switch the default backend to lioadm | 14:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "random issues with tgt, breakages in some jobs, proposal to switch the default backend to lioadm (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:40 | |
| rosmaita | tosky: that's you | 14:40 |
| * lyarwood is also here \o | 14:41 | |
| tosky | I'm merely the messenger; lyarwood could't attend, but you can see the report in the etherpad | 14:41 |
| tosky | oh | 14:41 |
| * tosky hides | 14:41 | |
| rosmaita | ok, thanks | 14:41 |
| lyarwood | hey sorry childcare means I wasn't sure if I'd make it | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | everyone look at the etherpad | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | oh, wait | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | ok lyarwood you have the floor | 14:41 |
| tosky | I was going to say "the proposal is to switch the default to lioadm in ubuntu too" | 14:41 |
| lyarwood | thanks, so yeah lots of detail in the pad | 14:42 |
| lyarwood | but tosky is correct that's my current proposal given the failures I've seen with encrypted volume tests | 14:42 |
| lyarwood | I'm still unable to reproduce issues we've seen in the nova-live-migration job when detaching volumes that I think is related to this | 14:42 |
| lyarwood | using lioadm on Bionic doesn't appear possible so we will need to pin the grenade jobs to tgtadm | 14:43 |
| lyarwood | tosky: to reply to your point in the pad AFAICT the grenade job that failed was using Bionic | 14:44 |
| eharney | i think lio should work on bionic | 14:45 |
| eharney | at least, not sure why it wouldn't | 14:45 |
| lyarwood | I assumed so but python3-rtslib-fb fails to install with `Failed to start rtslib-fb-targetctl.service: Unit rtslib-fb-targetctl.service is not loaded` | 14:45 |
| eharney | huh, i'll leave figuring out that for later | 14:46 |
| lyarwood | anyway appreciate there's lots of context to load here so I'm just looking for any reason not to do this after M3 | 14:47 |
| tosky | lyarwood: uhm, that's strange, as victoria is focal already (it was one of the goals), so the starting point for victoria should be focal | 14:47 |
| tosky | lyarwood: I will ask gmann | 14:47 |
| jungleboyj | tosky: Yeah, I thought we had moved to focal. | 14:48 |
| eharney | well, lio should in general be a better solution, but i am concerned that our lio-barbican gate job fails a lot, possibly due to a bug in the target code | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | i am worried about doing this as we approach RC time | 14:48 |
| hemna | rosmaita+1 | 14:48 |
| eharney | so if we start running it more places we may have to get a lot more engaged on figuring out what is going on there than we have been | 14:48 |
| lyarwood | so the flip side is that we have a huge uptick in volume detach failures across the gate | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | yes, if our lio-barbican job is a guide, lio is not going to increase stability | 14:48 |
| lyarwood | kk I wasn't aware of the lioadm job being unstable | 14:49 |
| lyarwood | but to finish my point | 14:49 |
| lyarwood | if I can reproduce the detach issue and show it's related to the use of tgtadm then I think the move to lioadm would still be valid ahead of rc | 14:49 |
| lyarwood | the encrypted volume failure I've reproduced thus far hasn't caused anywhere near as many failures | 14:50 |
| tosky | and regardless of the decision, https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder-tempest-plugin/+/779697 makes sense anyway on its own | 14:51 |
| lyarwood | yeah correct | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | ok, well looking at the build history, mabye that job isn't as awful as experience indicates | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/builds?job_name=cinder-tempest-plugin-lvm-lio-barbican&project=openstack%2Fcinder | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | ok, let's revisit this next week | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | thanks lyarwood | 14:52 |
| jungleboyj | That still looks like quite a few failures. | 14:52 |
| lyarwood | ack thanks rosmaita | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | #topic bug report future | 14:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug report future (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:53 | |
| rosmaita | enriquetaso: that's you | 14:53 |
| enriquetaso | o/ | 14:53 |
| enriquetaso | In the last weekly meetings we were not able to cover all the topics proposed on the agenda. For this reason and considering the productivity of discussing the bugs of the week with the team, I would like to propose an additional mini meeting to this one. The new meeting would begin exactly after this one, it would last half an hour and it would be on the specific channel of cinder. | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | enriquetaso: ++ | 14:53 |
| enriquetaso | I have not sent an email to the mailing list yet, but if it's okay with you, I'll do it this week. | 14:53 |
| enriquetaso | \o/ | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | do we want to start today? | 14:53 |
| enriquetaso | yes | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | works for me | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | any objections? | 14:54 |
| jungleboyj | Makes sense. | 14:54 |
| sfernand | nope | 14:54 |
| jungleboyj | Since we often use this whole time. | 14:54 |
| sfernand | sounds good | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | great, let's move along then. thanks, sofia | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | #topic stable branch updates | 14:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stable branch updates (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:54 | |
| rosmaita | whoami-rajat: you have the floor | 14:54 |
| whoami-rajat | Hi | 14:54 |
| whoami-rajat | as mentioned in the etherpad, victoria is released \o/ | 14:55 |
| whoami-rajat | ussuri release patch is up | 14:55 |
| tosky | \o/ | 14:55 |
| whoami-rajat | but we still have unmerged patches in train, specifically cinder (i guess 7 patches?) and 1 in os-brick | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | ok, i think we will have to postpone train release until later next week | 14:56 |
| whoami-rajat | i will update the tracker with all unmerged patches but for time being please review https://review.opendev.org/#/q/project:openstack/cinder+status:open+branch:stable/train | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | need all reviewers focused on cinderclient today and features for the rest of the week | 14:56 |
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| whoami-rajat | rosmaita: yep, makes sense | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | ok, thanks for organizing this | 14:56 |
| enriquetaso | ++ | 14:57 |
| whoami-rajat | np | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | #topic open discussion | 14:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:57 | |
| rosmaita | reminder: the cinder meeting is in UTC | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | so for some people in north america, the local time will be different next week | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | and europe goes to summer time at the end of the month | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | so if you show up next week and no one is there, check the time | 14:58 |
| eharney | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder/+/777470 could use another +2, have had folks waiting on this fix for a bit | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:58 |
| jungleboyj | Oh, does DST happen this weekend? | 14:58 |
| hemna | yes afaik | 14:58 |
| hemna | does anyone understand the policies code? | 14:59 |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita: Thanks for letting me know. | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | depends on what you mean by "understand" | 14:59 |
| eharney | i think some people have been doing some work on policies lately | 14:59 |
| hemna | heh | 14:59 |
| hemna | so, I'm looking into adding https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cinder/+/779541 | 14:59 |
| hemna | which allows admins to see all the volume_admin_metadata | 15:00 |
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| rosmaita | just noticed we are out of time | 15:01 |
| rosmaita | bug meeting in cinder channel now | 15:01 |
| hemna | is there a way to add that policy but make it optionally work, so that the current default of not showing all admin_metadata can stay in place | 15:01 |
| rosmaita | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 10 15:01:18 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2021/cinder.2021-03-10-14.01.html | 15:01 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2021/cinder.2021-03-10-14.01.txt | 15:01 |
| whoami-rajat | thanks! | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2021/cinder.2021-03-10-14.01.log.html | 15:01 |
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| e0ne | #startmeeting horizon | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 10 15:01:47 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is e0ne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 15:01 |
| vishalmanchanda | hi | 15:02 |
| rdopiera | hello | 15:02 |
| tmazur | o/ | 15:02 |
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| e0ne | hi | 15:06 |
| e0ne | let's start. I hope amotoki will join us soon | 15:06 |
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| * e0ne #topic Notices | 15:07 | |
| e0ne | Xena PTG has been scheduled on 19-23 of April | 15:08 |
| e0ne | registration is free | 15:08 |
| e0ne | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-March/020778.html | 15:08 |
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| e0ne | I hope everybody will join and we'll have a good number of conversations | 15:09 |
| vishalmanchanda | again virtual ptg:( | 15:09 |
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| e0ne | vishalmanchanda: covid-19 situation is pretty bad still :( | 15:09 |
| vishalmanchanda | yeah....... | 15:10 |
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| e0ne | congrats vishalmanchanda as our new PTL for Xena release! | 15:10 |
| e0ne | #link https://governance.openstack.org/election/ | 15:11 |
| vishalmanchanda | hehe thanks:) | 15:11 |
| e0ne | vishalmanchanda: thanks for volunteering for being a PTL | 15:11 |
| vishalmanchanda | looking forward to it. | 15:12 |
| vishalmanchanda | Let's see how it goes. | 15:12 |
| e0ne | everything will be good, I'm sure :) | 15:13 |
| e0ne | vishalmanchanda: don't worry | 15:13 |
| rdopiera | I'm sure you will smash it | 15:13 |
| vishalmanchanda | I hope you guys will continue to contribute in next cycle. | 15:14 |
| e0ne | vishalmanchanda: +1 | 15:14 |
| tmazur | Sure! | 15:14 |
| e0ne | let's finish some Wallaby businesses before | 15:15 |
| e0ne | #link https://releases.openstack.org/wallaby/schedule.html | 15:15 |
| e0ne | this week is a feature freeze and soft string freeze | 15:15 |
| e0ne | after this milestone, only bugfixes are allowed | 15:16 |
| amotoki | sorry for late. I watched two cycling races in parallel and didn't notice the time :p | 15:16 |
| e0ne | technically, horizon uses other release model, but it's good to follow these milestones | 15:17 |
| amotoki | folloing the feature freeze sounds fair. | 15:18 |
| e0ne | amotoki: it's not fair that burton us cup cancelled but cycling championships are going :( | 15:20 |
| amotoki | e0ne: hehe | 15:20 |
| e0ne | do we have any unmerged feature proposal? | 15:21 |
| amotoki | hopefully most tnings can recover in either of new or exsiting sways :) | 15:22 |
| amotoki | s/sways/ways/ | 15:22 |
| tmazur | the one about autofocus on login screen | 15:22 |
| e0ne | I didn't find anything in the list https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/horizon+status:open #link | 15:22 |
| tmazur | I've added the discussion of it to agenda | 15:23 |
| e0ne | tmazur: I prefer to treat it as bugfix | 15:23 |
| tmazur | e0ne: even if we agree to add a new setting? | 15:23 |
| e0ne | oh... I missed it | 15:23 |
| rdopiera | one more reason to not add a new setting ;-) | 15:24 |
| tmazur | haha | 15:24 |
| amotoki | let's discuss it in a dedicate topic anyway | 15:24 |
| tmazur | yes | 15:24 |
| e0ne | amotoki: +1 | 15:24 |
| e0ne | anyway, that's all updates from my side | 15:24 |
| amotoki | one thing from me | 15:25 |
| vishalmanchanda | e0ne: we also have to add Wallaby Cycle Highlights by this week. | 15:25 |
| vishalmanchanda | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-March/020900.html | 15:25 |
| e0ne | vishalmanchanda: thanks for a reminder. I'll go via release notes and propose a patch today | 15:26 |
| vishalmanchanda | e0ne: thanks. | 15:26 |
| ikanias | I think that putting the domain field at the top is wrong | 15:26 |
| ikanias | It should be below the password | 15:26 |
| vishalmanchanda | amotoki: please continue. | 15:26 |
| ikanias | field | 15:26 |
| ikanias | Many web sites do that that way | 15:26 |
| amotoki | ikanias: we will discuss it later in this meeting | 15:26 |
| ikanias | sure | 15:26 |
| amotoki | ikanias: we are in the "Notices" section | 15:27 |
| amotoki | Renaming Chinese locales landed successfully. I confirmed all translation jobs worked as expected. | 15:27 |
| amotoki | I hope all plugins can cut a release including it. | 15:27 |
| e0ne | amotoki: awesome! | 15:27 |
| vishalmanchanda | amotoki: great. | 15:27 |
| rdopiera | thank you for handling that | 15:27 |
| amotoki | freezer-web-ui is the only plugin which does not merge it. | 15:27 |
| amotoki | but what we can do is just to wait for them | 15:27 |
| amotoki | most plugins landed translation imports, so it would be no problme. | 15:28 |
| amotoki | that's all from me. | 15:28 |
| e0ne | amotoki: thanks a lot for driving this effort | 15:28 |
| amotoki | yw | 15:28 |
| e0ne | let's move to the next topic | 15:29 |
| e0ne | I don't know who added it but I like it | 15:30 |
| rdopiera | it was me | 15:30 |
| e0ne | #topic Promoting Tatiana to core. | 15:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Promoting Tatiana to core. (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 15:30 | |
| rdopiera | I would like to propose tmazur as a core reviewer | 15:30 |
| rdopiera | She has a long history with the horizon project | 15:31 |
| vishalmanchanda | It would be great to have tatina in our core-team:) | 15:31 |
| e0ne | #link https://www.stackalytics.io/?module=horizon-group&metric=commits&user_id=tmazur | 15:31 |
| e0ne | #link https://www.stackalytics.io/?module=horizon-group&user_id=tmazur | 15:32 |
| e0ne | will it be a double-horizon-core or just a second time horizon-core? | 15:32 |
| tmazur | haha | 15:32 |
| tmazur | I don't know :) | 15:33 |
| rdopiera | tmazur: oof, you still count as Mirantis! | 15:33 |
| rdopiera | in stackalytics | 15:33 |
| vishalmanchanda | 🙂 | 15:33 |
| amotoki | surprising.... | 15:33 |
| tmazur | Yesss, I remember there were some difficulties with affiliation changing | 15:33 |
| amotoki | tmazur: you can push your info to the stackalytics repo | 15:33 |
| e0ne | rdopiera: me too... | 15:34 |
| tmazur | I guess I even should contact someone directly | 15:34 |
| rdopiera | not like it's critically important | 15:34 |
| vishalmanchanda | https://review.opendev.org/q/project:x%252Fstackalytics+status:open | 15:34 |
| tmazur | rdopiera: definitely | 15:35 |
| amotoki | aside from that, I am fine to add her to the core team. it would be a nice improvement to cover more areas deeply. She is familiar with angular area. | 15:36 |
| e0ne | tmazur: AFAIR, there was some json file in the repo with mapping. I'll let you know once I find it | 15:36 |
| e0ne | I need to do the same | 15:36 |
| tmazur | e0ne: ok, thanks! | 15:36 |
| tmazur | And thanks everyone for promoting me! | 15:37 |
| amotoki | tmazur: I also have experience on stackalitics thing. we can help you. | 15:37 |
| ikanias | tmazur: Congrats! | 15:37 |
| rdopiera | we have the technology ;-) | 15:37 |
| amotoki | it looks like we have a consensus. | 15:37 |
| tmazur | I will proceed with doing my best for Horizon ;p | 15:37 |
| e0ne | I think we've got an agreement and there is no need to make a voting in a mailing list | 15:37 |
| tmazur | amotoki: thanks! | 15:37 |
| amotoki | do you need to nominate her officially in the mailing list or is it an apporval? | 15:37 |
| amotoki | e0ne: you are faster than me. | 15:38 |
| e0ne | amotoki: I'll send a mail to the ML just to make it a bit more official :) | 15:38 |
| vishalmanchanda | IMO It is better to announce on mail chain as well as per openstack docs. | 15:38 |
| e0ne | but since all cores agreed, we don't need a voting | 15:39 |
| e0ne | of course, rdopiera can change his vote ;) | 15:39 |
| amotoki | i think the notice would be fine | 15:39 |
| e0ne | amotoki: +1 | 15:39 |
| e0ne | tmazur: welcome back to the team! | 15:40 |
| tmazur | Woohoo! Happy to be back! :D | 15:40 |
| vishalmanchanda | tmazur: Congrats:) | 15:40 |
| amotoki | tmazur: welcome :) | 15:40 |
| e0ne | #topic Login page autofocus discussion | 15:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Login page autofocus discussion (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 15:41 | |
| e0ne | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/777690 | 15:42 |
| tmazur | So we have a few options here | 15:42 |
| e0ne | I don't really want to introduce a new config option for it | 15:43 |
| tmazur | To add a new setting to shift it wherever we want, to pick the Domain field only when it's empty and to shift the Domain field to the bottom | 15:43 |
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| amotoki | at the staring point, the current behavior is to focus on "domain" field even if "domain" field is filled with the value used previously. | 15:44 |
| ikanias | I think that putting the domain field at the top is wrong from UX point of view | 15:44 |
| tmazur | I introduced the new setting solution but after a discussion we had with rdopiera and ikanias it seems not a good solution now | 15:44 |
| amotoki | ikanias: why do you think so? | 15:45 |
| rdopiera | ikanias: do you have any examples of other services that put the username first? | 15:45 |
| amotoki | ikanias: username is unque inside a domain | 15:45 |
| ikanias | In all my previous apps I worked for the domain was always last to appear | 15:45 |
| ikanias | I will get examples if you wish | 15:45 |
| amotoki | a used ID can determined as a combination of username and domain name (or ID). | 15:46 |
| amotoki | considering this, putting "password" field between "user" and "domain" is a bit confusing to me | 15:46 |
| amotoki | but others can have other opinions. | 15:46 |
| tmazur | amotoki: not between, after the password | 15:47 |
| tmazur | amotoki: oops, please ignore | 15:47 |
| amotoki | tmazur: np | 15:47 |
| ikanias | amotoki: Username and password ahould always be one below the other IMO | 15:47 |
| rdopiera | amotoki: but that is the administrator's point of view, the users themselves don't think about themselves as belonging to a domain | 15:47 |
| rdopiera | amotoki: it's more like selecting where to log in for them | 15:49 |
| rdopiera | where they want to go | 15:49 |
| rdopiera | especially since often they may have logins in multiple domains | 15:49 |
| ikanias | amotoki: I think we also need to be aligned to the rest of the web apps that exist | 15:49 |
| e0ne | ikanias: good point. do you have examples by the hand? | 15:50 |
| amotoki | I remembers that windows login page has "domain" selection at the bottom. | 15:50 |
| ikanias | e0ne: currently no but i will get you | 15:50 |
| e0ne | ikanias: it will be useful | 15:51 |
| ikanias | e0ne: sure will work on it after the meeting | 15:51 |
| e0ne | from my PoV, I prefer to have such order: 1)domain 2)login 3)password | 15:51 |
| tmazur | Windows XP at least, yes | 15:51 |
| e0ne | but in anyway, I don't want to introduce a new config option for it | 15:51 |
| amotoki | I see less value in a new setting too | 15:53 |
| rdopiera | https://duckduckgo.com/?q=login+screen+domain+-windows&t=canonical&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images | 15:53 |
| rdopiera | a quick search shows that it seems to be a pattern | 15:53 |
| tmazur | I remember seeing somewhere login - domain - password too... | 15:54 |
| rdopiera | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hVhEQWgDVLY/ULtR1Uq3CCI/AAAAAAAAA6M/BLOoFSv0Wkw/s1600/db3fde3a98cfc4eb3b2bd264bc8caeec-761004.jpeg | 15:54 |
| amotoki | most examples have only user nad password fields though... :( | 15:54 |
| rdopiera | but the ones that have a domain field, have it last | 15:55 |
| ikanias | The oracle example has a domain below | 15:55 |
| rdopiera | probably because of Windows | 15:55 |
| rdopiera | I would expect everyone to copy Windows | 15:55 |
| ikanias | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hVhEQWgDVLY/ULtR1Uq3CCI/AAAAAAAAA6M/BLOoFSv0Wkw/s1600/db3fde3a98cfc4eb3b2bd264bc8caeec-761004.jpeg | 15:55 |
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| rdopiera | oh yes, market leader ;-) | 15:56 |
| ikanias | I believe that if ORACLE uses this method then it is a good one | 15:56 |
| ikanias | :-) | 15:56 |
| amotoki | While I still think the order of domain->user->password as natural, I have no strong opinion. | 15:57 |
| amotoki | If we move the domainf field to the bottom, do you no longer need a new setting? | 15:57 |
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| tmazur | amotoki: yes, we will just have a focus on user field | 15:57 |
| tmazur | as the first one | 15:57 |
| rdopiera | I agree that it is more logical, but habit trumps logic | 15:58 |
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| amotoki | okay.... I always feel frustrated in the login form of Windows when switching a domain though | 15:58 |
| e0ne | we've got one minute left | 15:59 |
| e0ne | let's continue in #openstack-horizon channel | 15:59 |
| tmazur | yes | 15:59 |
| amotoki | it looks better to confirm our consensus. let's contineu in #-horizon | 16:00 |
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| e0ne | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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