| carloss | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| opendevmeet | Meeting started Thu Jun 6 15:00:06 2024 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carloss. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
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| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| carloss | courtesy ping: dviroel vhari gouthamr carthaca msaravan pulluri ashrodri | 15:00 |
| jayaanand | hi | 15:00 |
| ccokeke[m] | Hello | 15:00 |
| carthaca | Hi | 15:00 |
| haixin | o/ | 15:01 |
| msaravan | Hi | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | o/ | 15:03 |
| kpdev | hi | 15:03 |
| ashrodri | o/ | 15:03 |
| vhari | hi | 15:03 |
| carloss | o/ hello everyone | 15:03 |
| carloss | good quorum, let's get started | 15:04 |
| carloss | today's meeting agenda: | 15:04 |
| carloss | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings#Next_meeting | 15:04 |
| carloss | #topic Announcements | 15:04 |
| carloss | first, thank you ashrodri for running the last week's meeting | 15:04 |
| carloss | in the past month or so I was away during various meetings due to PTO, holidays, so thanks for holding the fort while I was away :) | 15:06 |
| carloss | Schedule and Deadlines | 15:06 |
| carloss | #link https://releases.openstack.org/dalmatian/schedule.html (Dalmatian release schedule) | 15:06 |
| carloss | next milestone to be looking at would be our spec freeze, which will happen in 3 weeks from now | 15:07 |
| carloss | it means that all Manila specs targeted to 2024.2 Dalmatian must be approved by the end of the week R-14 | 15:08 |
| carloss | we have two specs being worked on and there has been some chatter in both of them, but we'll get to that soon | 15:08 |
| carloss | the second and last thing I have for announcements (which is not quite an announcement) is: | 15:09 |
| carloss | Possible dates for our mid cycle | 15:09 |
| carloss | this was discussed at the last PTG and we talked about meeting halfway through the cycle to check how things we discussed at the PTG are going | 15:10 |
| carloss | I am initially thinking about the dates within: Jul 15 - Jul 19 | 15:10 |
| carloss | because we will be past spec freeze and we will be two weeks from feature proposal freeze | 15:11 |
| carloss | and I think we will have a good idea of how things are going in general | 15:11 |
| carloss | I am initially considering a single day for the discussions and a 2 hour meeting for it. Do you have any thoughts or suggestions? | 15:12 |
| ashrodri | Those dates works well. Is this an extended manila weekly meeting, or a block of time during that week outside of this meeting? | 15:13 |
| carloss | I think we can reuse the original manila meeting slot and extend it for another hour... it would be a bit less disruptive for everyone's weeks | 15:14 |
| ashrodri | sounds good thanks for clarifying | 15:15 |
| carloss | do we have an agreement on date + format then? :) | 15:17 |
| carloss | taking silence as a yes | 15:18 |
| carloss | but please let me know in case you'd like some changes to it | 15:19 |
| carloss | I'll remind us when time comes | 15:19 |
| carloss | that's all the announcements I had for today. Do you have an announcement to share with us? | 15:20 |
| carloss | moving on... | 15:21 |
| carloss | #topic Deferred deletion periodic task issues (kpdev) | 15:21 |
| carloss | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/manila-dalmatian-review-focus#L12 (Deferred deletion issues) | 15:21 |
| carloss | kpdev, floor is yours | 15:21 |
| kpdev | as mentioned on etherpad.. I am not sure what way would be best.. but seems like periodic task are not reliable | 15:23 |
| kpdev | so i was suggesting option 2. unless we have definite way to fix 1 | 15:23 |
| carloss | thank you for bringing this up | 15:25 |
| carloss | I think fix 1 would be a bit more complicated as the slowness might be related to a very busy cluster | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | maybe we have a limit on the number of shares to delete per iteration | 15:27 |
| kpdev | but what is task is not executed on time. | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | ^ that's probably because the previous periodic tasks outlasted their interval | 15:28 |
| kpdev | i observed sometime even it took 10 minutes.. i.e. delayed by 10 times of designated time. | 15:28 |
| kpdev | >maybe we have a limit on the number of shares to delete per iteration | 15:29 |
| kpdev | its difficult to decide this limit. as number of shares keep changing.. | 15:29 |
| kpdev | i mean max_gigabytes/max_shares might decide that number.. | 15:30 |
| carthaca | https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.service/+bug/2011587 is part of the problem - the tasks are running sequentially. Could we somehow stop the task instead of letting it run longer? | 15:32 |
| carthaca | But I'm in favor of fix 2 anyway - avoid using periodic tasks as much as possible ;) | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 15:33 |
| carloss | yep | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | this was my initial suggestion on the spec :) | 15:35 |
| kpdev | ok, then with updated consideration.. deferred deletion would be immediate deletion with new states i.e. deferred_deleting instead of deleting. and error scenario only considered in periodic task | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | makes sense | 15:37 |
| kpdev | thanks for consideration. | 15:37 |
| carloss | np, thanks for bringing it up | 15:38 |
| carloss | that will be a good enhancement | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | so iiuc; you'd release quota immediately, and attempt deletion right away.. if the deletion errors out, you'd set the appropriate error state ("error_deleting" or "error_deferred_deleting") based on the prior state | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | and a periodic task will reap shares in error_deferred_deleting | 15:39 |
| kpdev | yes.. | 15:40 |
| kpdev | do i need to release quota immediately.. ? | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | if deferred deletion is enabled | 15:41 |
| kpdev | now since deletion happen at same place, the quota release and deletion is not much different. | 15:41 |
| kpdev | what we achieve is once deleted, end-user need not to look into share. | 15:42 |
| kpdev | deferred deleting is hidden from user | 15:42 |
| kpdev | so share is deleted from their point of view.. and error_deferred_deleting will try to delete again until deleted | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | ack; think we can take this discussion to gerrit.. | 15:43 |
| kpdev | ok | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | thanks for highlighting this issue kpdev carthaca | 15:43 |
| carloss | ++ | 15:43 |
| carloss | thanks kpdev carthaca gouthamr | 15:44 |
| carloss | #topic Review Focus | 15:44 |
| carloss | I'll be brief here :) | 15:44 |
| carloss | next thing we have in mind is the spec freeze | 15:45 |
| carloss | currently, two specs are being worked on: | 15:45 |
| carloss | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/manila-specs/+/915480 (Add spec for ensure shares) | 15:45 |
| carloss | and | 15:46 |
| carloss | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/manila-specs/+/916595 (Add spec lite for resource metadata backend operations) | 15:46 |
| carloss | both already got some reviewer feedback | 15:46 |
| carloss | and they have been updated, so let's continue with the discussions on the specs. I believe both of them might be close at this point | 15:47 |
| carloss | I have managed to convert the ensure shares spec from a lite spec to a regular spec | 15:47 |
| carloss | kpdev ashrodri: can I have your eyes on the ensure shares spec as well? | 15:47 |
| kpdev | ack | 15:48 |
| ashrodri | yes, can take a look | 15:48 |
| carloss | tyvm | 15:49 |
| carloss | that's all the changes I wanted to highlight for today's meeting. Is there something else you would like to bring up? | 15:50 |
| carloss | #topic Bug Triage (vhari) | 15:51 |
| carloss | o/ vhari - I think we have some minutes for some bug triage :) | 15:51 |
| carloss | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-bug-triage-pad-new (Bug Triage etherpad) | 15:51 |
| vhari | ty carloss :) | 15:51 |
| vhari | there were 2 new bugs this week .. both have fixes proposed | 15:51 |
| vhari | thanks to folks who got a quick start on these | 15:52 |
| vhari | so there are no bugs to triage | 15:52 |
| vhari | we could wrap the session and pick up next week | 15:52 |
| vhari | floor is back to you carloss :) | 15:52 |
| carloss | ah, thank you very much vhari | 15:53 |
| carloss | #topic Open Discussion | 15:53 |
| * carloss hear crickets | 15:55 | |
| carloss | let's wrap up | 15:55 |
| carloss | thank you for participating, let's get back to #openstack-manila :) | 15:55 |
| carloss | have a great day | 15:55 |
| carloss | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Thu Jun 6 15:55:48 2024 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:55 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/manila/2024/manila.2024-06-06-15.00.html | 15:55 |
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