| carloss | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| opendevmeet | Meeting started Thu May 28 15:00:19 2026 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carloss. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| carloss | courtesy ping: dviroel vhari gouthamr carthaca Sai gireesh Kumar_T | 15:00 |
| vhari_ | hi | 15:01 |
| carthaca | hi | 15:01 |
| gouthamr | o/ | 15:01 |
| kpdev | hi | 15:01 |
| VolodymyrBoiko[m] | o/ | 15:01 |
| carloss | o/ hello zorillas | 15:04 |
| carloss | our meeting agenda for today: | 15:04 |
| carloss | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings#Next_meeting (Meeting agenda) | 15:04 |
| carloss | let's get started. | 15:05 |
| carloss | we'll use some of our meeting for continuing the retrospective | 15:05 |
| carloss | #topic Announcements | 15:06 |
| carloss | Schedule and deadlines | 15:06 |
| Silvia-Wachira | o/ | 15:06 |
| carloss | took a while, but I proposed manila-specific deadlines to the official schedule | 15:06 |
| carloss | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/990457 (Add manila deadlines to Hibiscus schedule) | 15:07 |
| carloss | #link https://storage.bhs.cloud.ovh.net/v1/AUTH_dcaab5e32b234d56b626f72581e3644c/zuul_opendev_logs_5a1/openstack/5a1c8b321af246a38e21bd1b5d5932f1/docs/hibiscus/schedule.html (Schedule updated) | 15:07 |
| carloss | there should be no surprises to what I have been telling you | 15:07 |
| carloss | meaning our spec freeze still remains on June 12th | 15:07 |
| carloss | so basically, two weeks to go | 15:08 |
| carloss | that also means we're two months away from feature proposal freeze | 15:10 |
| carloss | the mid cycle will be two weeks after feature proposal freeze, so we can do all the collab review sessions | 15:11 |
| carloss | that's all I had for $topic | 15:12 |
| carloss | do you have an announcement to share with us today? | 15:12 |
| carloss | #topic Review Focus | 15:14 |
| carloss | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/manila-hibiscus-review-focus (Hibiscus review focus etherpad) | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | sorry, typing slow.. just one bugsquash? | 15:15 |
| carloss | should be two, as we agreed | 15:15 |
| carloss | need to fix that | 15:15 |
| carloss | my bad, missed adding the second one | 15:15 |
| gouthamr | no problem, lgtm otherwise | 15:15 |
| carloss | thank you! | 15:17 |
| carloss | so a couple of specs waiting on reviews | 15:18 |
| carloss | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/manila-specs/+/796467 (Implements: blueprint unified-limits-manila) | 15:19 |
| carloss | I think we might need to rethink this as part of our ongoing efforts for the OSC integration | 15:19 |
| carloss | ^ Silvia-Wachira might be a nice read :) | 15:21 |
| carloss | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/manila-specs/+/988495 (Specs for share server replica) | 15:21 |
| carloss | Anoop_Shukla Kumar_T gireesh carthaca I appreciate the discussion starting on the spec already. I need to catch up to it | 15:22 |
| * gouthamr too | 15:23 | |
| carloss | will post reviews as soon as I can | 15:23 |
| carloss | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/manila-specs/+/987622 (Add per-process healthcheck for Manila services) | 15:23 |
| carloss | seems the reviews here are progressing nicely... I need to catch up as well | 15:24 |
| carloss | but again, thank you for reviewing | 15:25 |
| Silvia-Wachira | Thanks carloss! Will check it out | 15:25 |
| carloss | it's nice to have these discussions going | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | on unified limits, let's set W-1 and see if that's something we can pick up again in I | 15:26 |
| carloss | gouthamr++ | 15:26 |
| carloss | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/manila-specs/+/987307 (Add Lustre share driver spec) | 15:28 |
| carloss | thanks for working on the spec, gouthamr | 15:28 |
| carloss | the weka driver has also been proposed | 15:28 |
| carloss | both drivers have target similar use cases, would be awesome if we could get both approaches merged | 15:29 |
| carloss | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/manila/+/989998 (Weka driver) | 15:29 |
| carloss | last but not least on specs: | 15:30 |
| carloss | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/manila-specs/+/985196 (Add VirtioFS testing scenarios) | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | would appreciate reviews on the lustre spec.. thanks to Stig Telfer (oneswig), we've gotten some great feedback (over email currently) from the lustre collective | 15:30 |
| carloss | gouthamr++ | 15:30 |
| carloss | Anoop_Shukla carthaca kpdev could you please take a look at the lustre spec? | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | doesn't change the direction of the spec much, but, tags some future work.. this is pretty cool collab for our community :) | 15:31 |
| * carloss will do it as well | 15:31 | |
| carloss | pretty cool collab indeed! | 15:31 |
| carthaca | ack | 15:31 |
| kpdev | ack | 15:31 |
| carloss | on virtiofs spec: as it is release independent, we don't actually need to restrict to the spec freeze | 15:32 |
| carloss | carthaca kpdev thank you! | 15:32 |
| carloss | and there's some great news spec-wise as well | 15:32 |
| carloss | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/985738 (VirtioFS cold migration spec) | 15:32 |
| carloss | gouthamr is working on a couple of specs in the nova repo targeting feature work for virtiofs | 15:33 |
| carloss | and yesterday, the cold migration spec merged | 15:33 |
| carloss | thank you for pursuing these specs, gouthamr! | 15:33 |
| carloss | he's also pursuing two other specs in the nova repo: | 15:33 |
| carloss | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/owner:gouthampravi@gmail.com+project:openstack/nova-specs | 15:34 |
| Anoop_Shukla | Sure thing. I had looked at luster and provided comments. | 15:34 |
| carloss | Anoop_Shukla thank you! | 15:34 |
| Anoop_Shukla | Its a holiday in India today..so folks from NetApp may not be available online. | 15:34 |
| carloss | Anoop_Shukla: ack, thanks for the heads up :) | 15:35 |
| Anoop_Shukla | We may need a discussion on barbican patch. Will work with Sai and Gireesh on addressing the concerns | 15:36 |
| carloss | Anoop_Shukla: ack, thank you! | 15:37 |
| Anoop_Shukla | On share server replication I see good progress..we will work to address the comments there as well. | 15:37 |
| carloss | thank you! | 15:38 |
| carloss | I'll stop pinging you so you can take actual time off in your holiday, Anoop! :) | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | happy holiday, i hope it is a long weekend :) | 15:40 |
| carloss | ++ - happy holiday | 15:40 |
| carloss | alright, I think that's all the specs we're targeting... we're observing the spec freeze, so that means specs targeting this cycle should merge in two weeks | 15:41 |
| carloss | anything else to bring up for $topic? | 15:41 |
| carloss | I was chatting to vhari earlier and she said no new bugs today | 15:44 |
| carloss | so we can cover retro topics | 15:44 |
| carloss | #topic Retrospective continuation | 15:44 |
| carloss | hot topic now :) | 15:45 |
| carloss | Improve AI-assisted code generation and reviews | 15:45 |
| carloss | this is in the mind of a lot of engineers recently and it's actually being challenging to think how can we do better | 15:45 |
| carloss | there's an effort going on to create a repository with skills that can help with this: | 15:47 |
| carloss | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/agentic-workflows (Agentic workflows being proposed) | 15:47 |
| carloss | I called it agentic workflows, I know, it's just the name of the repo | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | yes, and since this is a fast moving space, i think its fair to take a continuously improving stance on this.. while maintaining developer sanity | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | and reviewer sanity | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | for one, i voted negatively on a patch that in my opinion was AI slop. i didn't like doing that.. i want us to reflect if that was a good thing to do | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | it isn't against a specific author or their intention, but, i felt that the LLM usage can be tuned to make a readable/maintainable submission | 15:50 |
| carloss | > while maintaining developer sanity and reviewer sanity | 15:50 |
| carloss | very challenging and important to keep this in mind | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | our backstop to all of this has been the openinfra AI guidelines: https://openinfra.org/legal/ai-policy/ | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | but, this is intentionally broad and aspirational | 15:51 |
| carloss | ^ as a community and while contributing with code | 15:51 |
| carloss | > it isn't against a specific author or their intention, but, i felt that the LLM usage can be tuned to make a readable/maintainable submission | 15:52 |
| carloss | ++ | 15:52 |
| carloss | it is also a time for us to define and determine what should acceptable and what should not | 15:53 |
| carloss | we definitely don't want to cause any reviewer or developer burnout | 15:54 |
| carloss | > our backstop to all of this has been the openinfra AI guidelines: https://openinfra.org/legal/ai-policy/ | 15:55 |
| carloss | IMO your take on the change is defending what is defined in these guidelines | 15:55 |
| carloss | the workload is increasing for all reviewers and developers at the same time, considering we can "be more productive" | 15:56 |
| carloss | but we should also take care with the interactions | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | yes, the board and the TC would like us to provide them feedback if something isn't working | 15:57 |
| carloss | > yes, the board and the TC would like us to provide them feedback if something isn't working | 15:58 |
| carloss | ++ | 15:58 |
| carloss | I'm thinking about actions we can take for us as a team | 15:58 |
| carloss | like would we benefit to have our own documentation on what should or should not be acceptable using the openinfra guidelines as a base? | 15:58 |
| carloss | could be even something that we can feed into a tool we're using | 15:59 |
| gouthamr | yes we can.. and it'll be a good chance to discuss publicly on gerrit and build consensus | 15:59 |
| carloss | what I am suggesting is something like guidelines for humans on these interactions: how we expect the discussions in the changes to happen? how we expect the code documentation is happening? | 16:00 |
| carloss | > yes we can.. and it'll be a good chance to discuss publicly on gerrit and build consensus | 16:00 |
| carloss | ++ | 16:00 |
| carloss | we can expand on that | 16:00 |
| carloss | I feel I should get that started | 16:00 |
| carloss | so will take that action item for myself | 16:00 |
| carloss | I'll try to have something posted on gerrit for the next week or two - ideally we'll reach a consensus before we see more features showing up | 16:01 |
| carloss | alright, we're 1 minute past the time | 16:02 |
| carloss | we can continue this discussion in #openstack-manila | 16:02 |
| carloss | I'll propose a change to gerrit asap | 16:02 |
| carloss | let's wrap up this meeting | 16:02 |
| carloss | thank you for participating | 16:02 |
| carloss | have a great day! | 16:03 |
| carloss | #endmeeting | 16:03 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Thu May 28 16:03:03 2026 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:03 |
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