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| soren | o/ | 21:00 |
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| soren | 'sup? | 21:01 |
| dendrobates | we will give people a few minutes to show up. | 21:01 |
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| dendrobates | might be smaller turnout, because I did not get around to sending an email reminder. | 21:01 |
| adjohn | Morning from Japan :) | 21:02 |
| littleidea | I think I just bitched up the wiki. Can someone who knows how to use it revert what I just did to the HelpContents :) | 21:02 |
| dendrobates | littleidea: I'll do it after the meeting | 21:03 |
| littleidea | k | 21:03 |
| dendrobates | Wow, thanks for showing up, Japan | 21:04 |
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| dendrobates | I am going to suggest a later time for the next meeting, to help you guys and punish the Europeans | 21:04 |
| dendrobates | ok let's go | 21:05 |
| dendrobates | #startmeeting | 21:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 7 21:05:12 2010 UTC. The chair is dendrobates. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 21:05 |
| dendrobates | Thank you for coming everyone. | 21:05 |
| dendrobates | We had a meeting only a few days ago, ut I wanted to have this one, since we extended the blueprint deadline. The agenda is on the wiki, I encourage other to add items if there are things they want to discuss. | 21:05 |
| dendrobates | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | 21:05 |
| dendrobates | #topic blueprints | 21:05 |
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| dendrobates | The current list of Blueprints targeted for Austin are here: | 21:06 |
| dendrobates | #link https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/nova/austin | 21:06 |
| dendrobates | This does not include swift, but they only have a couple. | 21:06 |
| dendrobates | If your blueprint is not listed but you think it should be, please contact me ASAP | 21:06 |
| dendrobates | There is one blueprint that is suggesting some major networking changes: Extend the network control API | 21:07 |
| dendrobates | #link https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/austin-extend-network-model | 21:07 |
| adjohn | That is from over here and @romain_lenglet | 21:07 |
| dendrobates | I've asked for feedback from the openstack-core team. | 21:07 |
| dendrobates | adjohn: do you guys have any code yet? | 21:08 |
| littleidea | dendrobates: I added this one https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/austin-stats-utilization | 21:08 |
| dendrobates | littleidea: must have just missed it. I'll look at it. | 21:08 |
| adjohn | @dendrobates coming soon | 21:09 |
| littleidea | I just added it. I was trying to make a spec, but instead I messed up the wiki. | 21:09 |
| dendrobates | adjohn: have you seen the other networking changes that vishy made? | 21:09 |
| dendrobates | adjohn: I want to be sure you are working with the newest code. | 21:10 |
| dendrobates | Does anyone have any questions about austin-extend-network-model, or should we move it to the mailing list? | 21:11 |
| romain_lenglet | dendrobates: ok, we'll start from this branch | 21:11 |
| dendrobates | adjohn: I recommend pushing code ASAP, even if is is just a skeleton | 21:11 |
| dendrobates | that will help others get an idea of your changes. | 21:11 |
| adjohn | dendrobates: got it | 21:11 |
| dendrobates | soren: did you see the question abour your austin-xen blueprint? | 21:12 |
| soren | dendrobates: I didn't, no. | 21:12 |
| dendrobates | you added ewanmellor's branches | 21:12 |
| soren | I.... did? | 21:13 |
| dendrobates | so I was not sure if it was for xenserver or all xen | 21:13 |
| dendrobates | well they were there, unless I am crazy | 21:13 |
| soren | I really don't think I did. | 21:13 |
| soren | Ewan must have done that himself. | 21:13 |
| ewanmellor | Nope! | 21:13 |
| ewanmellor | I was confused too ;-) | 21:13 |
| soren | O_o | 21:13 |
| ewanmellor | Anyway, I made an austin-xenapi, just to avoid any further confusion. | 21:14 |
| dendrobates | so you meant that to be opensourc xen, right? | 21:14 |
| ewanmellor | We can use austin-xen for non-XenServer Xen support, if that's what you intend. | 21:14 |
| soren | dendrobates: Me? Yes. | 21:14 |
| dendrobates | ok, I'll remove the branches from it. | 21:14 |
| ewanmellor | soren: Do you intend to support other Xen's through libvirt, or some other means? | 21:14 |
| soren | ewanmellor: libvirt. | 21:15 |
| soren | That's how I roll. | 21:15 |
| ewanmellor | OK, so should we call this blueprint austin-xen-libvirt or something, to distinguish it from austin-xenapi? | 21:15 |
| dendrobates | I'll fix it up | 21:16 |
| dendrobates | soren: I deferred your puppet blueprint | 21:16 |
| dendrobates | I don't believe there is any way in hell you could finish every bp you submitted | 21:16 |
| soren | dendrobates: I can tell. | 21:16 |
| soren | dendrobates: I've got a plan :) | 21:16 |
| soren | dendrobates: But no worries. | 21:17 |
| soren | dendrobates: I'll do it while you're not looking. | 21:17 |
| ewanmellor | soren: Is there anything even to do? Doesn't it "just work" if you use libvirt today? | 21:17 |
| soren | :p | 21:17 |
| soren | ewanmellor: It's really meant as a "make sure that it already works" sort of blueprint. | 21:17 |
| dendrobates | ok, if you have a plan fine, but the other things are more critical, and I know you and your "plans" pretty well. | 21:17 |
| dendrobates | :) | 21:17 |
| soren | ewanmellor: I do think, though, that it needs a tiny, tiny bit of template tweaking. | 21:17 |
| soren | dendrobates: Gotcha. | 21:18 |
| ewanmellor | soren: OK, that makes sense. | 21:18 |
| dendrobates | ewanmellor: all the work may be in ubuntu's version of libvirt | 21:18 |
| soren | Well... | 21:18 |
| soren | Ubuntu doesn't even have a dom0. | 21:18 |
| soren | (Clever as they are) | 21:19 |
| soren | :) | 21:19 |
| dendrobates | soren: true, but that doesn;t stop rackspace from using it with xen | 21:19 |
| soren | But yeah, there might be libvirt work involved. That's fine. | 21:19 |
| soren | dendrobates: Good point. | 21:19 |
| dendrobates | soren: zul has agreed to hepl if you need it. | 21:19 |
| * soren hugs zul | 21:19 | |
| dendrobates | any other blueprint questions or discussions people want to have? | 21:20 |
| dendrobates | 3 | 21:20 |
| ewanmellor | What's the plan with Redis? | 21:20 |
| ewanmellor | Will we still have Redis in Austin? | 21:20 |
| gundlach | afaik, yes -- i rely on it to get the new API working | 21:20 |
| dendrobates | afaik, yes | 21:20 |
| xtoddx | ~vishvananda/nova/orm_deux should be live | 21:21 |
| xtoddx | vishy, care to chime in? | 21:21 |
| gundlach | and don't plan on figuring anything else out by october :) | 21:21 |
| dendrobates | yeah, but for all practical purposes, Redis will still be required this release | 21:21 |
| dendrobates | right vishy? | 21:21 |
| ewanmellor | Do we expect to remove it soon? | 21:21 |
| * soren didn't realise the orm_deux branch was a Redisectomy? | 21:22 | |
| dendrobates | it is not, it is an abstraction | 21:22 |
| soren | Ok, that's what I thought. | 21:22 |
| xtoddx | right, but no redis backend has been written yet, only sqlalchemy | 21:22 |
| xtoddx | gundlach will have to re-jigger all the stuff that used nova.compute.model to use nova.db, regardless | 21:23 |
| dendrobates | even if it hits, I don;t think everything can be reworked in time, Austin+1 i'd say. | 21:23 |
| xtoddx | what day is the freeze? | 21:23 |
| dendrobates | 9/30/10 | 21:24 |
| soren | Sep 30. | 21:24 |
| * soren will never get used to middle-endian dates. | 21:24 | |
| dendrobates | 30/9/10 | 21:24 |
| gundlach | 10/9/30 | 21:24 |
| soren | 2010-09-30. | 21:24 |
| soren | Deal. | 21:24 |
| ewanmellor | What's the name of Austin + 1? | 21:24 |
| dendrobates | ha | 21:24 |
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| dendrobates | ewanmellor: probably san antonio | 21:25 |
| ewanmellor | Is Austin going to be OpenStack 1.0? | 21:25 |
| * soren was hoping for something beginning with 'b' | 21:25 | |
| vishy | sorry guys was afk | 21:25 |
| eday | xtoddx, vishy: don't you plan on having the orm branch land soon? if so, that means it's going to be austin | 21:25 |
| gundlach | dendrobates: oh, come, we *surely* must do alphabetical :) | 21:25 |
| dendrobates | gundlach: sorry out of my hands | 21:25 |
| vishy | would be great if the orm branch landed soon | 21:25 |
| gundlach | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Texas | 21:25 |
| soren | ewanmellor: Probably Nova 1.0, but Swift already had a 1.0. | 21:26 |
| zul | dudes name it after south park characters :) | 21:26 |
| vishy | and with that branch the only thing requiring redis is fake ldap | 21:26 |
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| eday | vishy: ok, so for most purposes, redis will be gone in austin | 21:26 |
| xtoddx | Bangs, TX | 21:26 |
| ewanmellor | xtoddx: I bet she does! | 21:26 |
| dendrobates | vishy: but there are other branches out there that are using redis, like gundlach's | 21:26 |
| gundlach | fyi i'm using the central redis store to map RS API image ids to Glance image URLs | 21:26 |
| vishy | eday: yes, if someone wants to rewrite fakelap using mysql then we could ditch it completely | 21:27 |
| gundlach | if someone else can lend a hand turning that into a local store for the API cluster to use, i'm fine with that | 21:27 |
| vishy | dedrobates: I wasn't aware that gundlach was using redis | 21:27 |
| gundlach | vishy: i kind of fell into it when i realized we'd need a persistent mapping for IDs and redis was lying around. | 21:27 |
| dendrobates | vishy: when do you plan on this being merged? | 21:27 |
| eday | I think we need to land the ORM branch sooner than later, before merge conflicts become even more of a nightmare :) | 21:27 |
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| xtoddx | vish, can we work on landing orm this week? | 21:28 |
| vishy | dendrobates: as soon as possible...there will be some inevitable cleanup, i think i may have broken xen a bit | 21:28 |
| ewanmellor | dendrobates: I | 21:28 |
| dendrobates | ewanmellor: you | 21:29 |
| ewanmellor | dendrobates: (Sorry about that) It make sense to line up version numbers, doesn't it? Nova and Swift 1.1? | 21:29 |
| soren | ewanmellor: I thought about that, but.. | 21:29 |
| xtoddx | ewanmellor: #agree | 21:29 |
| soren | ewanmellor: It's not unimaginable that other thigsn will come under the OpenSTack umbrella in the future, and they might already have a versioning scheme in place that conflicts. | 21:30 |
| ttx | naming scheme kinda forces not to have a development summit twice in the same town ? | 21:30 |
| soren | ewanmellor: So we might be able to do it now, but at some point, it's going to fall apart (or so I hypethicise) | 21:30 |
| dendrobates | ewanmellor: possibly, but I don't want to put a 1.0 release on nova yet. | 21:30 |
| soren | hypothecise. | 21:30 |
| soren | Or whichever way it's meant to be spelled. | 21:30 |
| dendrobates | ttx: that is the goal | 21:31 |
| soren | ttx: Sounds familiar? :) | 21:31 |
| vishy | gundlach: I can help you move stuff over to orm...it is pretty straightforward | 21:31 |
| dendrobates | ok, back on topic | 21:31 |
| soren | dendrobates: You're not shooting for Nova 1.0? | 21:31 |
| ttx | soren: now you must just pick towns alphabetically :P | 21:31 |
| vishy | i thought it was just alph by town | 21:31 |
| dendrobates | any more blueprint questions? | 21:31 |
| vishy | boston release next? | 21:31 |
| gundlach | vishy: ty, i'll talk w/ you offline | 21:31 |
| soren | vishy: Bahamas City. | 21:32 |
| dendrobates | San Antonio is in Bexar county if you want to cheat a bit. | 21:32 |
| dendrobates | #topic Release | 21:32 |
| dendrobates | are there any questions about the Austin release? | 21:33 |
| soren | Yes. | 21:33 |
| soren | 21:31 < soren> dendrobates: You're not shooting for Nova 1.0? | 21:33 |
| dendrobates | soren: no | 21:33 |
| soren | Hm. | 21:33 |
| soren | Ok. | 21:33 |
| ewanmellor | What is the license on OpenStack documentation? | 21:34 |
| ewanmellor | Will we (Citrix) be able to repurpose OpenStack docs, for example? | 21:34 |
| dendrobates | I will be working to get everything documented with our new community tech writer/leader annegentle | 21:34 |
| dendrobates | creative commons probably | 21:35 |
| dendrobates | will that work? | 21:35 |
| ewanmellor | I was looking at the Swift Deployment Guide and thinking how good it was and how I'd just want to cut huge sections into a page with a Citrix logo at the top, and ship it ;-) | 21:35 |
| eday | dendrobates: well, there are different CC versions, some allowing for commercial uses | 21:35 |
| dendrobates | I havent asked anyone in RS legal yet, but we've already used CC for other things. | 21:35 |
| ewanmellor | Would that be morally acceptable to the community? | 21:35 |
| dendrobates | I would not want to restrict usage in anyway. | 21:36 |
| notmyname | dendrobates: how does that fit with python docs generated from the code which is apache? | 21:36 |
| dendrobates | hmm | 21:36 |
| dendrobates | damn good question | 21:36 |
| dendrobates | I don't know ianal | 21:36 |
| dendrobates | #action find out what license to use for docs] | 21:37 |
| eday | could just use apache lic for docs too, keep it simple (whether it's code-generated or not) | 21:37 |
| xtoddx | by-sa would maybe be acceptable? | 21:37 |
| dendrobates | #action find out how APL2 affects docs in code | 21:37 |
| dendrobates | that might be best, but I am not ready to commit without more knowledge | 21:38 |
| dendrobates | Anne isn't with us today or she might know | 21:38 |
| dendrobates | I will find out | 21:38 |
| dendrobates | are there any questions about the Austin release? | 21:38 |
| ewanmellor | #link http://www.apache.org/dev/apply-license.html | 21:38 |
| ewanmellor | ASF policy is to apply the Apache license to docs, too. | 21:38 |
| dendrobates | ewanmellor: thanks | 21:39 |
| ewanmellor | (Not that we have to do the same, just that they've obviously decided that it's legally sensible.) | 21:39 |
| dendrobates | it does sound easy, I'll take it up with the lawyers | 21:39 |
| dendrobates | #topic OpenStack-Clients project group | 21:40 |
| dendrobates | The LP admins created a project group for the clients. I will be populating it with the client projects and teams asap | 21:40 |
| dendrobates | it let's them control their own group without our interference, the clients are pretty separate anyway. | 21:41 |
| dendrobates | questions? | 21:41 |
| notmyname | these are things like the mobile apps and CP? | 21:41 |
| dendrobates | yep | 21:41 |
| dendrobates | mostly written by mike mayo | 21:42 |
| xtoddx | does clients mean libraries for other languages, or just end-user applications? | 21:42 |
| dendrobates | i any thing was server side we would still keep it in openstack | 21:42 |
| dendrobates | end user apps | 21:42 |
| dendrobates | although.... | 21:42 |
| xtoddx | is there a place for client libraries for ruby, java, etc to grow up at?\ | 21:43 |
| notmyname | not sure if this is the time or place, but will there be any level of effort to include 3rd party devs (like CyberDuck or wordpress extensions [in the case of swift])? | 21:43 |
| littleidea | what about projects to implement different lang bindings? | 21:43 |
| gundlach | xtoddx: the javascript library already exists, as part of the GroundControl browser extension | 21:43 |
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| dendrobates | We could put them all under clients, or keep them with openstack if they are tied to our release cycle. | 21:44 |
| xtoddx | its a sign of maturity to have many language bindings, so i think we need to give them a place to exist and be loved | 21:44 |
| dendrobates | or they could not have anything to do with us officially | 21:44 |
| xtoddx | tying them to our release cycle sounds smart | 21:44 |
| notmyname | they may be tied to a release cycle (new features, etc), but they probably need a faster release cycle than the main projects | 21:44 |
| xtoddx | with tiny-number upgrades for any changes specific to their code | 21:44 |
| littleidea | #agreed love <3 | 21:45 |
| dendrobates | then let's do that until someone bitches and reconsider it then. | 21:45 |
| xtoddx | #agreed | 21:45 |
| notmyname | do that == ?? | 21:45 |
| notmyname | keep in openstack? | 21:45 |
| dendrobates | what xtoddx said: keep them with openstack\ | 21:45 |
| notmyname | is that openstack/swift-python, openstack/swift-php or openstack/swift/<language> | 21:46 |
| notmyname | or even openstack/bindings/<language> | 21:46 |
| dendrobates | under each project | 21:46 |
| dendrobates | so you only dl what you actually need | 21:47 |
| dendrobates | I would assume different devs | 21:47 |
| dendrobates | let's take this to the mailing list. | 21:48 |
| dendrobates | but we've resolved to keep them in openstack | 21:48 |
| dendrobates | #topic | 21:48 |
| dendrobates | #topic meeting time | 21:48 |
| dendrobates | I was thinking about rotating the times | 21:49 |
| dendrobates | one week we would be very lat for our friends in Japan, and the next early for Europe | 21:49 |
| dendrobates | I can see no way to please everyone all the time. | 21:50 |
| littleidea | I think rotating times tends to dissipate energy. | 21:50 |
| dendrobates | I feel that way to, but have no better suggestions | 21:50 |
| dendrobates | how does this time work for those in Japan? | 21:50 |
| dendrobates | Europe? | 21:51 |
| romain_lenglet | it's ok | 21:51 |
| adjohn | 6am is a bit early for us I think, and the other guys like NTT may not be able to make it that early it seems? | 21:51 |
| ddumitriu | it's not terrible, but i'm an early riser | 21:51 |
| littleidea | maybe it's always in a certain time the 1st week, a different time 2nd... and when there are more than 4 in a month we double up on one | 21:51 |
| ddumitriu | most of the Japanese are not | 21:51 |
| soren | dendrobates: It's kinda late, but manageable. | 21:51 |
| littleidea | but something that has a predictable cadence | 21:51 |
| notmyname | meet every 170 hours? (168 hours in a week) | 21:52 |
| * soren slaps notmyname | 21:52 | |
| dendrobates | littleidea: so tie the time to the week of the month | 21:52 |
| littleidea | dendrobates: just an idea | 21:52 |
| littleidea | looking for a compromise that keeps some regularity | 21:52 |
| adjohn | We can ask the others we know in the Japan community about the meeting times, but I guess for the 3 of us from Japan here now the current time is ok | 21:53 |
| dendrobates | I'll send a suggestion to the ML for a perm rotation, but we need to schedule next weeks. | 21:54 |
| soren | It's worth noting that if we find a time that is on the edge of being acceptable to someone, that will probably require us to move it every time /anyone/ goes to/from DST. | 21:54 |
| dendrobates | I think Tuesday is a good day | 21:54 |
| dendrobates | any disagreement | 21:54 |
| soren | Nope. Tuesday is good. | 21:54 |
| dendrobates | or wednesday in Japan | 21:54 |
| adjohn | fine here | 21:54 |
| dendrobates | same time next week or 1 hour later? | 21:55 |
| soren | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=7&month=9&year=2010&p1=195&p2=248&p3=64&p4=137 | 21:55 |
| dendrobates | for some reason it is easier for me to ask to stay up till 1am than to expect people up at 6am | 21:56 |
| ewanmellor | The Englishman here votes for no later than the current time! | 21:56 |
| dendrobates | That's one vote | 21:56 |
| dendrobates | anyone else. | 21:56 |
| dendrobates | I prefer this time as well | 21:56 |
| soren | I prefer now over one hour later. | 21:56 |
| adjohn | I prefer this time rather than one our later | 21:57 |
| soren | That would put it at midnight for me. | 21:57 |
| dendrobates | adjohn: really! wow | 21:57 |
| romain_lenglet | +1 for keeping this time | 21:57 |
| soren | ...and I have to get up early Wednesday. | 21:57 |
| dendrobates | ok done | 21:57 |
| dendrobates | same time next week | 21:57 |
| adjohn | dendrobates: one our later means i have to commute to work before the meeting, or some of us will show up late as they have a long commute after the meeting | 21:57 |
| adjohn | s/our/hour | 21:58 |
| dendrobates | send anything else to the ml or #openstack | 21:58 |
| dendrobates | adjohn: I forgot, some people go to work. | 21:58 |
| dendrobates | I just walk downstairs | 21:58 |
| dendrobates | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 7 21:58:47 2010 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2010/openstack-meeting.2010-09-07-21.05.html | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2010/openstack-meeting.2010-09-07-21.05.txt | 21:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2010/openstack-meeting.2010-09-07-21.05.log.html | 21:58 |
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| dendrobates | that as not as short as I planned | 21:59 |
| eday | dendrobates: that's a long commute, I just need to cross the hallway :) | 21:59 |
| xtoddx | some days I don't get out of bed | 21:59 |
| dendrobates | I am considering that move. | 21:59 |
| soren | Some days I don't even wake up. | 21:59 |
| soren | Oh, wait. | 21:59 |
| xtoddx | ha! | 21:59 |
| dendrobates | the hallway one. | 21:59 |
| gundlach | what, you mean i'm *not* dreaming this? | 21:59 |
| dendrobates | My wife insists on a guest room | 22:00 |
| dendrobates | so I am banished to the basement, lest I taint the guest room. | 22:00 |
| notmyname | get a couch that converts to a bed | 22:00 |
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| eday | haha | 22:00 |
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