Tuesday, 2010-09-21

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jaypipesdendrobates: yo.21:00
dendrobatesWelcome everyone21:00
dendrobatesI'll wait a few minutes for everyone to arrive.21:00
dendrobateswelcome canonafolk21:01
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openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 21 21:02:14 2010 UTC.  The chair is dendrobates. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.21:02
dendrobatesThe agenda is here:21:02
dendrobates#link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings21:02
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dendrobatessirp1:  just in time.21:02
dendrobates#topic Glance Status21:02
sirp1so, ill start by giving a quick background in case you guys aren't familar21:03
sirp1glance is the overarching project for two components: the a) caching image proxy (nicknamed Teller) and b) the image registry (nicknamed Parallax)21:04
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sirp1right now not much exists for either; a minimal framework to get started was just merged in (still needs gundlach's recomendations taken into account)21:05
sirp1and _0x44 is working on the Swift Backend21:05
jaypipessirp1: is it reasonable to expect Glance for Austin?  Could additional resources be useful to you?21:06
sirp1no work started yet on parallax, but for the austin release that should be pretty trivial, we just need to expose a registry (possibly backed using the ORM merge from nova) and exposed through a wsgi we service21:06
dendrobatesFF == 9 days21:07
dendrobatesfor the record.21:07
sirp1jaypipes: additional resources would be much appreciated as im pretty swamped on RS internal stuff right now (and for the forseesable future)21:07
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jaypipessirp1: I'm about 70% complete on the NoSQL driver for the new datastore backend.  Should be finished tomorrow.  I can help.21:08
dendrobatesjaypipes: awesome.21:09
sirp1jaypipes: excellent21:09
dendrobatesI know that chmouel was looking for something as well.21:09
dendrobatesmaybe he can help.21:09
jaypipessirp1: I'll work with you offline on some reasonable blueprints to get done by Austin for Glance.21:09
sirp1the goals of glance for austin were pretty modest, so i think we could still get it in, but more resources will be needed21:09
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sirp1jaypipes: good deal21:09
sirp1#done glance update21:10
dendrobatesok, I think that covers that21:10
dendrobates#topic Blueprint status21:10
dendrobatesI would like each person who is assigned a blueprint to give us a quick update.21:10
dendrobatesWe will be doing this in every future release meeting.21:10
dendrobatesThe object is to know status, not put you on the spot.21:10
gundlachlink to blueprint list?21:11
dendrobates If the status has not changed since the last meeting feel free just to say, "no change"21:11
pvohttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova ?21:11
dendrobatesHere is the list:21:11
dendrobates#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/austin21:11
pvoah, that one is better21:11
creihtdendrobates: it is likely that we will have to drop large file support for the austin release in swift21:11
dendrobatesIn the future I will make sure to include swift.21:11
jaypipes#info jaypipes 70% complete on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/austin-nosql-datastore-adapter21:11
sorenHm... It seems completed blueprints vanish off that list.21:11
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gundlachi can go next, since openstack-api is second.  it's assigned to todd but i think i kind of took it over21:12
dendrobatescreiht: ok, good to know.21:12
creihtdendrobates: otherwise everything else on swift is on track21:12
gundlach#info getting worried about api.  getting EC2 off of Tornado took way longer than expected, mostly due to merge headaches.21:12
gundlachit's off now, but all of Servers remains to be done, and cerberus has been too swamped w/ RS stuff to attack that yet21:13
gundlachif anybody (eday?) would like to split Servers up w/ me & cerberus it would be great21:13
dendrobateseday: how about it?21:13
_cerberus_There is *some* progress on the servers API, but not as much as I'd like.21:13
* gundlach wasn't clear: "all of Servers remains" means that the RS API /servers endpoint doesn't exist yet21:13
edaydendrobates, gundlach: Yeah, I'm helping with some API cleanup right now, and can help with those other bits21:13
sorenI  may be able to grab some of it. I've never done REST API's before, though.21:14
dendrobatesgundlach: with the extra help, is API at risk?21:14
gundlachsoren, the frontend can be taken care of -- it's the mapping of e.g. reboot() function to whatever the backned bits of Nova are required to actually reboot -- that kind of thing21:14
gundlachdendrobates: lemme pass that to cerberus, since he has a better feeling for the scope of servers.  cerberus?21:15
dendrobatespvo: any chance of freeing up RS resources to push toward FF?21:15
gundlachyou had mentioned changes-since maybe needing to drop?21:15
sorengundlach: That part I feel pretty confident about.21:15
pvodendrobates: I'm working on that right now21:15
gundlachsoren: great, then potentially let's add you to the 4-way meeting where cerberus eday you and i split up tasks :)21:15
edaygundlach, soren, _cerberus_: I'm guessing between the four of us we can crank it out pretty quickly21:15
dendrobatescererus isn't here21:15
dendrobatesthere he is21:16
_cerberus_eday: Most likely21:16
gundlach_cerberus_: with the extra help, is the API at risk in your opinion?  anything you think will still need to be dropped?21:16
dendrobatessoren: what is the status of your 25 other blueprints, do you have time?21:16
_cerberus_I don't believe anything is necessarily at risk, no21:16
sorendendrobates: Done.21:16
sorendendrobates: So yes.21:16
_cerberus_We've made good progress so far21:16
_cerberus_Extra help is always appreciated21:17
gundlachcool.  i'll email you/soren/eday to start talking about splitting up tasks21:17
sorendendrobates: Well, the last three are still awaiting review, but otherwise done.21:17
dendrobatesare any of the anso guys here?21:17
sorendendrobates: Last three branches, that is. Not blueprints, obviously.21:17
jaypipesOK, so some action items out of this? grr, that sounds so very Deloitte and Touche.21:17
jaypipesdendrobates: no, I pinged vishy to join us on the main chan.21:18
dendrobates#action soren to be added to gundlach's 4way21:18
jaypipeshmm, that doesn't sounds quite right ;)21:18
sorenIt doesn't, no.21:18
* gundlach pointedly ignores the innuendo21:18
sorenAnd now it's recorded for eternity.21:18
jaypipes#action jaypipes, sirp1 tackle blueprints for Austin's Glance. Split up between 2.21:19
sorenOh, well. I'm sure there's worse stuff out there about me.21:19
gundlach#action gundlach to FU w/ cerberus eday soren to get tasks split up21:19
dendrobatesthe anso guys sent some update privately that I have not had time to summarize21:19
dendrobatesdue to an extended debate with swardley on twitter :(21:20
dendrobatesI will send, or get them to send updates to the list.21:20
dendrobatesin the future, if you cannot attend, please send me a quick status by email21:20
jaypipesdendrobates: be a lover, not a fighter. ;)21:20
dendrobatesAlso, it would be very helpful if you would go into launchpad and update the status, before each meeting, if necessary21:21
dendrobatesjaypipes: it is very difficult to argue in 140 char21:21
jaypipesdendrobates: :)21:21
dendrobates#topic Bexar Design Summit prep21:21
dendrobatesAt the upcoming design summit we will be discussing and specing out work for two 3 month releases.21:22
jaypipesdendrobates: I sent out a reminder to update blueprints/bugs to the ML.  Would be best if you did that on Mondays I think.21:22
dendrobatesI need everyone to be thinking of what they want in openstack in ~April 2011.21:22
dendrobatesjaypipes: I know.  It's on my list21:22
dendrobatesWe need blueprints created for each feature so we can schedule sessions to discuss them.21:22
jaypipessparkycollier, spectorclan: any update on summit stuff?21:22
dendrobatesWe are trying to document the process.21:23
dendrobates#link http://wiki.openstack.org/Process21:23
dendrobatesjaypipes: ther will be soon21:23
jaypipesdendrobates: I'm happy to put blueprints together.21:23
spectorclanjaypipes: i am meeting with folks on Thursday to finalize much of plan external to agenda21:23
dendrobatesWe will be doing this summit differently than the first one.  The sessions will be smaller and more technical.21:23
jaypipesspectorclan: ++ cool.21:23
dendrobatesWe will have multiple sessions running simultaneously.21:23
dendrobatesSo you will need to pick the ones that interest you.  Launchpad will let you register interest in a blueprint or make yourself mandatory.21:24
spectorclanjaypipes: party just for developers Thursday night is a go!21:24
jaypipesspectorclan: :)21:24
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dendrobatesIt will be very helpful if you make use of this, it will help us schedule the sessions.21:24
spectorclansoren: we do have a party first night for everyone21:24
jaypipessoren: then just get drunk on the plane. :P21:24
dendrobatessoren: has too many weddings to attend21:24
sorenI'll get drunk Wednesday night. You can all watch.21:24
dendrobatesWe need to have a basic idea of what we will be producing over the next six months.21:25
zulsoren: been there done that21:25
dendrobatesIt is not necessary to target a specific release yet, we can prioritize the list after the summit discussions.21:25
sorenzul: :)21:25
dendrobatesBlueprints are not limited to features, we can have tracks to discuss community, governance, documentation, process.21:25
dendrobatesBasically anything we need to talk about as a group.21:25
dendrobatesany questions?21:25
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dendrobatesthis may be our first quick meeting21:26
vishyhey all: sorry i'm late21:26
vishywe had a mandatory building emergency meeting21:27
jaypipesvishy: no worries.21:27
dendrobatescan you give us updates on the anso blueprints?21:27
jaypipesvishy: I thought you guys lived on the international space station? :P21:27
dendrobates#topic Blueprint II21:27
dendrobatesor the ones you are working on, at least?21:28
dendrobatesare any at risk for not making feature freeze?21:28
dendrobatesvishy: ?21:29
dendrobatesso vishy is only listed on the orm refactor which is done.21:30
dendrobatesWe'll move on.21:30
dendrobates#topic Feature freeze21:30
pvodendrobates: did you see anything about the other anso blueprints?21:30
pvoI only saw rescue, guest agent and ajaxterm21:30
vishydendrobates: i can update21:31
dendrobatesthere were some emails today21:31
pvoI didn't know if you saw anything for migrations and snapshots21:31
dendrobates#topic Blueprint II21:31
vishyanotherjesse is nearby21:31
vishynothing pushed for migrations and snapshotting yet21:31
dendrobatespvo I did, but did not read completely yet.21:31
pvothannks vishy21:32
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dendrobatesvishy: does it look like  migrations and snapshotting will make it by FF?21:32
vishydendrobates: yes that is the plan21:32
dendrobates#topic Feature freeze21:33
dendrobatesFeature freeze is coming up quick.  Just 9 days away and counting.21:33
dendrobatesPlease don't wait to merge your code until then.  The more time we have for review the better.21:33
dendrobatesBy next Tuesday, if I haven't seen any merge request, do not be surprised to find your blueprint retargeted to the next release.21:34
gundlachcould you define feature freeze for me again vs post-freeze-bug-fixing?21:34
dendrobatesthe features have to be merged, but can be buggy21:34
gundlache.g. if some aspect of servers is stubbed out but not complete, does that get axed?21:34
dendrobatesbugs will be fixed and testing will be done21:35
dendrobatesafter FF21:35
dendrobateswe will have a final freeze close to the release21:35
gundlachok so in good faith we should assume FF represents code that is finished.  we may find bugs, but we shouldn't *know* about missing functionality.21:35
dendrobatesyes, but soren has experience getting around freezes, so I'd talk to him.21:35
gundlachheh ok21:36
gundlachhopefully we won't need to :)21:36
dendrobatesit depends, if a blueprint is marked as essential, we might consider pushing the date if we can;t complete it.21:36
sorenHeheh :)21:36
* soren whistles innocently21:36
dendrobatesthe release date that is21:36
dendrobates, but that would be major.21:37
dendrobatesIf you have any questions or concerns please contact me.21:37
dendrobatesany other release questions?21:37
dendrobates#topic Meeting time21:38
dendrobatesAnyone want to complain?21:38
* zul looks around for ninjas21:38
spectorclandendrobates:is this a fixed time every week?21:38
dendrobatesunless it isn;t21:38
sorenI wouldn't mind if it were a bit earlier, but it's ok.21:39
adjohngood over here21:39
dendrobatesspectorclan: we will reconsider it as necessary21:39
zulmy wife and my kid wouldnt mind if it was a bit earlier as well21:39
romain_lengletit's a good time for us in Tokyo21:39
adjohnany earlier would be pretty rough21:39
dendrobates#topic any other business?21:40
dendrobatesanything anyone wants to talk about?21:40
dendrobatesthis is the first time we have finished early21:40
creihtlets not make it the last time :)21:40
dendrobatesI will always try21:40
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