Tuesday, 2010-10-19

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dendrobatesbug 65334416:11
dendrobatesbug #65334416:11
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* creiht bows20:58
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vishyis soren around today?21:00
vishyi had a bug i wanted to run by him21:00
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dendrobateswe will wait the customary 2 minutes for everyone to arrive21:00
vishybut I haven't seen him yet21:01
dendrobatessoren will be around later21:01
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vishycool, I have a bug but it might be fixable with a packaging change as opposed to a code change21:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct 19 21:02:20 2010 UTC.  The chair is dendrobates. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.21:02
dendrobatesThis will be short since there is work to do for the release.21:02
dendrobatesThe agenda is here:21:02
dendrobates#link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings21:03
dendrobatesThe logs will show up here sometime after the meeting:21:03
dendrobates#link http://wiki.openstack.org/MeetingLogs21:03
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dendrobatesdoes anyone have any topics to add?21:03
dendrobates#topic release21:04
dendrobatesI will be creating Nova and Glance release candidate tarballs for download on Launchpad later tonight.21:04
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dendrobatesI will follow it with an email to the team asking for testing.21:04
dendrobatesIt may be late, because I want to make sure the last minute bug fixing merge proposals get merged21:04
dendrobatescreiht, I think you have this ready to go for swift?21:04
creihtSo am I the only one that is a bit concerned that we are releasing the RC tonight, and releasing 2 days from now?21:05
creihtdendrobates: yes rc tarballs for swift are cut21:05
dendrobatesnope, you are not.21:05
dendrobateswe will not do this again.21:05
dendrobatesthis was not a normal release cycle or process21:05
zykes-so why so fast this time ?21:06
dendrobatesI hope that this will be much better when we have a real release manager21:06
creihtSo which is a lesser of two evils?  The bad press we would get for moving the release back, or the bad press that we may get for releasing buggy software for the first release?21:06
dendrobateszykes-: we wanted to get something out quick, but that was not the real problem.  We can discuss it back in #openstack after the meeting21:06
creihtand what confidence level are we at that the release will be somewhat stable?21:07
dendrobatesit will be stable for some value of stable.  :)21:07
dendrobatesI propose we have a go/no go meeting on Thursday at this same time.21:07
dendrobatescreiht: are you concerned about swift, or ar you just feeling nova's pain?21:08
creihtA little of both21:08
vishydendrobates: question about the hyperv proposal21:08
creihtmostly from the comments I see in channel about problems getting nova going21:08
dendrobatesI have successfully installed nova hundreds of times21:09
vishyit has been suggested that it would be great for press to go ahead and merge it as long as it doesn't affect core functionality21:09
vishyis that a lunatic idea?21:10
edayI may just have low standards, but I don't think anyone is expecting *too* much in a first release. There will be bugs no matter what, and I think it's important to just keep marching on and showing progress21:10
ttxfor a first release, I'd say "on time" is more important than "not buggy", since "not buggy can be months away21:10
gundlachttx: agreed21:10
tkielttx ttx21:10
dendrobatesvishy: I think it is a bad precedent21:11
ttxits a milestone, something you can judge further efforts against21:11
dendrobatesvishy: we will have it early in Bexar and the press release will go ahead based on that.21:11
zykes-dendrobates: HyperV ?21:12
dendrobateszykes-: yes21:12
creihtSo are we labeling the austin release as (alpha, beta...)?21:12
zykes-what about ESX / vCenter ?21:12
dendrobateszykes-: we can discuss later21:12
vishyzykes-: there is a merge proposal from microsoft adding hyperV support21:12
vishyI was asking if we should special case merge it21:13
zykes-from ms actually, ok21:13
dendrobatescreiht: we are not labeling it anything.21:13
dendrobatesvishy: we considered it when it came in.  If it had been in perfect shape and complete we would have made a FF exception21:13
dendrobatesI don't think we should expend resources on it 2 days before release21:14
tkielcreiht: what is the swift concern?21:15
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creihttkiel: I'm wondering in general21:15
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dendrobates#task schedule a go/nogo meeting for Thursday21:16
dendrobatesany other release questions before I move on?21:16
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dendrobatescreiht: we can discuss your concerns after the meeting21:17
creihtdendrobates: np21:17
dendrobates#topic bugs21:17
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dendrobatesthere is one critical outstanding bug:21:18
dendrobatesin Nova:21:18
dendrobates#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/65334421:18
dendrobatesxtoddx: what is the status of this?21:18
dendrobatesit could already be fixed.21:19
dendrobatesvishy: do you know?21:19
vishyi'm seeing if i can ping him21:19
vishymeanwhile i'll check the code21:19
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dendrobatesthere wasn;t a branch attached to the bug and I didn;t have time to check before the meeting21:20
xtoddxi haven't touched it, but is a quick fix i can apply today21:20
vishyno fix is not in21:20
vishyoh hi xtoddx, should be just a one liner yeah?21:21
xtoddxvishy: yea21:21
dendrobatesxtoddx: great, ping me when it's uploaded21:21
xtoddxdendrobates: will do21:21
dendrobatesI was also wondering the status of this bug:21:21
dendrobates#link https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/65601221:22
vishyi believe that was fixed by one of gundlach's patches21:22
gundlachbelieve that's fixed21:22
dendrobatesI can;t reproduce it,  but 4 others have marked it as affecting them21:22
dendrobatesah, that would be why I can't reproduce it.21:23
gundlachiirc there was another bug report re: this and i marked that one closed; must have missed this one.21:23
gundlachi'll update now21:23
dendrobatesgundlach: I'll close it.21:23
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dendrobatescreiht: do you have any bugs you want to bring up?21:24
creihtdendrobates: all our bugs are clear21:24
dendrobatesand you are worried :)21:24
creihtit is one thing for things to work functionally on a vm or a handful of machines, another to work fully at scale :)21:25
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gundlachvishy: tx!  (i thought i was 'gundlach', not 'michael'... huh :)21:25
vishyyeah weird21:26
dendrobatesI had something that I wanted to discuss.21:26
dendrobatesI have a question about boto versions.21:26
dendrobatesToday I did a Nova install onto a fresh maverick cloud server instance using vish's script and pip installed boto 2.0b1.21:26
dendrobateswhich is what is specified in pip-requires21:26
dendrobateshowever the object store crashed,21:27
dendrobatesI deleted the pip installed version and used the system boto and everything was fine21:27
gundlachwhat was your system boto version?21:27
vishyyeah that is wrong, we need to put that back to 1.9b21:27
vishyshall i submit a bug/patch real quick?21:28
dendrobatesI'll do it.21:28
dendrobatesany other bugs that anyone needs to bring up?21:29
vishyI have two development pet peeves, but they aren't bugs21:29
dendrobatesanything that they have not submitted yet?>21:29
gundlachi've got a bug that may get fixed before hand --not sure if it's "critical"21:29
vishy1) extra whitespace21:29
dendrobatesvishy: agreed.21:29
gundlachif a 500 comes up from lower level code to the RS API, it's not converted to RS API Fault format, unlike all other errors.21:29
gundlach(Fault format sends JSON or XML in the response rather than HTML.)21:30
vishyRegarding whitespace, it would be great if everyone could configure their dev env to remove it, it makes merging a lot uglier21:30
gundlachi kind of would be ok with 500s crashing harder than normal in Austin, so that we're sure to hear about them and fix them.  thoughts?21:31
dendrobatesvishy: we should put a page on the wiki that states that and give examples for people not using vim21:31
dendrobatesI assume all vim users know how21:31
vishyI also have a bug that I'm hoping to talk to soren about, since he did the packaging.  It is specific to running as the nova user instead of root.21:31
vishydendrobates: sounds good21:31
dendrobatesgundlach: It is a big one, but I am not sure it is critical21:32
gundlachre whitespace: anyone know a way to tell LP to ignore whitespace when generating diffs?21:32
gundlachthat might be simpler21:32
edayvishy: maybe we can make tarmac reject merges with extra space too21:32
vishyeday: I'm ok with that :)21:32
zykes-whitespaces how ?21:33
dendrobatesgundlach: can you file the bug and we should at least add something to the release notes21:33
gundlachyep, will do21:33
vishy2) code in __init__.py21:33
vishyleads to annoying circular import problems21:33
gundlachvishy: i assume you mean code excluding class and def statements, right?21:34
dendrobatesalso a wiki coding std sort of thing.  We should have a good reference for new devs to read when trhey join21:34
edaydendrobates: right now we just point to PEP8, but we can add to that21:35
vishyif i do from nova.api.ec2 import cloud, all of the stuff that is in ec2/__init.py__ is imported21:35
vishyi've been working around it, but in general i don't like putting code in there21:35
dendrobatesvishy I can look at the packaging issue too, I am also an ubuntu dev21:36
edayvishy: ahh, didn't realize that. Yeah, we should move all stuff out then21:36
dendrobatesok moving on.21:37
dendrobates#topic bexar21:37
dendrobatesI just want to remind people that I will be making a call blueprints right after the release.21:38
dendrobatesWe will only have about a week and a half to file them before we need to finalize the summit discussions21:38
dendrobatesany questions?21:39
vishydendro: Anso has a few features that didn't make it into Austin, but we will be proposing soon.  Some have blueprints and others do not21:39
dendrobatesI am aware of some of them I'll move those over.21:40
dendrobates#topic other business21:40
vishydo we need to make blueprints for the ones that don't have them, or can we just propose them for review per normal?21:40
dendrobatesis there already code?21:40
dendrobatesif they need discussion at the summit they need blueprints21:41
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vishyprobably don't need discusion21:41
dendrobatesIt would still be nice to have the blueprints, since we can use them at release time to know what was added21:41
dendrobatesbut there is not the same time concern21:41
johnpuragree, having the blueprints is goodness21:42
dendrobatesok, if that is all, let'e get back to it.21:42
openstackMeeting ended Tue Oct 19 21:42:44 2010 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)21:42
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