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| jmckenty | All: I have to multitask through the POC meeting, unfortunately, IRL I'm having lunch with an advisor. | 20:59 |
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| jmckenty | Which means I'll be cut down to just 0.02, rather than my usual $2.00 | 20:59 |
| jbryce | we'll probably still survive | 21:00 |
| dendrobates | o/ | 21:00 |
| jbryce | #startmeeting | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 17 21:00:42 2011 UTC. The chair is jbryce. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 21:00 |
| * creiht bows | 21:00 | |
| vishy | jesse and I only have 1/2 hour as well | 21:00 |
| vishy | so lets go quick :) | 21:00 |
| jbryce | fine with me...agenda is here: http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/POC | 21:01 |
| jbryce | #topic Image format proposal | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Image format proposal" | 21:01 | |
| jbryce | after the meeting last week, john circulated some additional comments and clarification on the image format proposal. did you all see that thread? | 21:02 |
| dendrobates | yep | 21:02 |
| vishy | yes | 21:02 |
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| jbryce | it seems like ewan got his questions answered and the initial scope of the image interchange format is narrowed to interop between openstack clouds | 21:03 |
| jbryce | are there any other outstanding questions or concerns on that proposal? | 21:03 |
| vishy | no it lgtm | 21:03 |
| dendrobates | me too | 21:03 |
| jbryce | ok...let's take a vote on approving it | 21:04 |
| * creiht doesn't vote as I have no background in this area | 21:04 | |
| dendrobates | +1 | 21:04 |
| soren | +1 | 21:04 |
| jesse_ | +1 | 21:04 |
| * soren is here, too :) | 21:05 | |
| jbryce | +1 | 21:05 |
| jbryce | vishy, jmckenty: any desire to vote? | 21:05 |
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| vishy | +1 | 21:06 |
| vishy | oh sorry thought my lgtm counted | 21:06 |
| vishy | :) | 21:06 |
| jbryce | ewanmellor: hi ewan...we were just voting on the image format proposal now that john circulated the updated comments | 21:06 |
| ewanmellor | Sorry I'm late -- my last call overran. | 21:06 |
| ewanmellor | +2 | 21:06 |
| ewanmellor | Ha | 21:06 |
| ewanmellor | That was meant to be a +1 ;-) | 21:06 |
| ewanmellor | But now it looks like I'm _really_ in favour! | 21:06 |
| dendrobates | btw, there had been some licensing concerns about vhd. RS legal and outside FOSS legal has looked at it and said we are fine | 21:06 |
| jbryce | #agreed ImageFormat proposal approved with 6 approves | 21:07 |
| ewanmellor | Good -- Citrix is already shipping open-source VHD code, so it would be a shame if that wasn't legal! | 21:07 |
| jbryce | all right...moving on | 21:07 |
| jbryce | #topic versioning and minor releases | 21:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "versioning and minor releases" | 21:07 | |
| jbryce | #info proposal floated last week was that all projects should line up for the major releases on a fixed time schedule but that individual projects would have the flexibility to do an intermediate release if the core team felt it was needed. the release manager would facilitate the process and work to ensure quality | 21:08 |
| jbryce | this seems to be the general approach that we are following currently with the one-off for bexar in nova | 21:09 |
| vishy | I'm ok with that, we definitely need a .1 release in nova, there are some pretty nasty bugs | 21:09 |
| jesse_ | I like this approach - what does swift thing? | 21:09 |
| jesse_ | think | 21:09 |
| creiht | jesse_: it was my idea :) | 21:09 |
| creiht | +1 for me | 21:09 |
| jesse_ | sorry, was on a plane last week ... | 21:10 |
| creiht | we will likely want to do a 1.2.1 release in the near future | 21:10 |
| jesse_ | +1 | 21:11 |
| jbryce | i'm ok with the proposal to give projects the flexibility to do what they need to, but i think it would be good to flesh out some sort of additional plan that makes it a little more clear how we work with downstream distributors | 21:11 |
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| jbryce | so creiht, jesse_, vishy are all on board--do the rest of you have any thoughts on it? | 21:12 |
| jesse_ | jbryce: is this something that we can say for the next two releases | 21:13 |
| dendrobates | we need a plan to support releases | 21:13 |
| dendrobates | creating releases is easy | 21:13 |
| creiht | dendrobates: yeah that is the next step once we decide that we are going to have point releases | 21:13 |
| jesse_ | jbryce: and re-evaluate post-diablo | 21:13 |
| creiht | dendrobates: I think that should be up to the individual projects as well | 21:13 |
| dendrobates | maybe, but is there is a combined integrated release, people expect the same support period | 21:14 |
| jbryce | creiht: i think it would be nice for there to be some consistency at that level across openstack projects. if i'm a user, i would prefer to have at least a general idea of what to expect in terms of ongoing support and patching across all the projects | 21:14 |
| jbryce | especially in terms of timing...if swift eols every 6 months and nova every 18 months and i'm using them both, that would be a pain | 21:15 |
| creiht | In my view the point releases would be bug fix/security fixes only | 21:15 |
| creiht | not features | 21:15 |
| creiht | jbryce: ahh good point | 21:16 |
| soren | creiht: Certainly. | 21:16 |
| dendrobates | I agree, but for how long are you going to release bug fixes for a major release? that is where we need to standardize | 21:16 |
| soren | I can see why there might be some divergence here. | 21:16 |
| soren | Swift is way more mature than Nova. Doing bug fix releases further back makes more sense for Swift. | 21:17 |
| creiht | What I was thinking for swift is that we would support the last released version | 21:17 |
| soren | ...or not :) | 21:17 |
| soren | Ok :) | 21:17 |
| creiht | heh | 21:17 |
| jbryce | haha | 21:17 |
| jbryce | 3 month eol cycle | 21:17 |
| creiht | I don't see many more big number releases for swift down the road | 21:17 |
| creiht | We are even stretching to call cactus a 1.3 release for swift | 21:18 |
| * soren puts that in a Quotes file. | 21:18 | |
| creiht | lol | 21:18 |
| soren | I *know* that will come in handy some day :) | 21:18 |
| jbryce | so...i kind of like jesse_'s idea where we say for the next two release cycles we leave it up to the projects and during that time, come up with a unified plan that will be the default across projects | 21:18 |
| jesse_ | around that time is when distros will start playing a major role | 21:19 |
| creiht | agreed | 21:19 |
| dendrobates | I really like the way kvm handled supporting releases when they started out | 21:19 |
| creiht | I expect this to change down the road as all the projects mature more, and as more projects are brought in | 21:19 |
| jesse_ | dendrobates: how was that? | 21:19 |
| dendrobates | they made the distros do any packporting, until the rate of change slowed | 21:19 |
| creiht | If nothing else, the backporting/point releases makes it easier for us to manage swift releases to RS | 21:20 |
| dendrobates | soren did kvm backporting for ubuntu until the started maintaining a stable branch | 21:20 |
| jbryce | we don't have very broad distribution support right now | 21:21 |
| soren | Nor did kvm :) | 21:22 |
| dendrobates | we will soon, both fedora and ubuntu | 21:22 |
| soren | And Debian. | 21:22 |
| creiht | When that happens, we can re-evaluate :) | 21:23 |
| jbryce | we seem to already have quite a few users who are not consuming it through a distro | 21:23 |
| jesse_ | creiht: +1 | 21:23 |
| jesse_ | as openstack + distro story matures we shoudl re-evalute | 21:23 |
| dendrobates | and then once the rate of feature change slows we should reevaluate again | 21:24 |
| jesse_ | sounds good | 21:24 |
| jbryce | ok | 21:24 |
| jbryce | #info revised proposal is to allow project core teams to decide to do point releases, facilitated by the release manager up to the diablo release | 21:24 |
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| jbryce | #info follow up with a unified release plan that takes into accounts division of upstream/downstream labor and support time frames | 21:25 |
| jbryce | can we vote on the revised proposal? | 21:26 |
| ewanmellor | +1 | 21:26 |
| creiht | +1 | 21:26 |
| soren | sure | 21:26 |
| soren | + | 21:26 |
| soren | +1 | 21:26 |
| dendrobates | +1 | 21:26 |
| jesse_ | +1 | 21:26 |
| jbryce | +1 | 21:26 |
| jbryce | #agree revised proposal agreed to with 6 approves | 21:27 |
| jbryce | #action jbryce to document and add to wiki | 21:27 |
| jbryce | so we've only got a couple of minutes before several have to leave...do we want to postpone the other items and meet again next week? | 21:27 |
| dendrobates | +1 | 21:28 |
| creiht | sure | 21:28 |
| creiht | +1 | 21:28 |
| jbryce | i'm sure jesse and vish agree since they have to leave. = ) | 21:29 |
| creiht | hehe | 21:29 |
| jesse_ | +1 | 21:29 |
| jesse_ | although we might be able to keep going with 2 meetings at once | 21:30 |
| jbryce | soren, ewanmellor: do you guys want us to try to alternate meeting times to something that's more normal for you? | 21:30 |
| ewanmellor | I'll be in Santa Clara next week. | 21:31 |
| soren | jbryce: Possibly. | 21:31 |
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| soren | jbryce: I've tried that a number of times, but it usually just ends up being at dinner time which is way worse than late evening. | 21:32 |
| jbryce | soren: are you utc+1? | 21:32 |
| soren | jbryce: At the moment, yes. | 21:33 |
| soren | For another month and a half. | 21:33 |
| soren | -ish. | 21:33 |
| ewanmellor | soren: Where are you going? | 21:33 |
| soren | Nowhere. | 21:34 |
| soren | The Earth is. | 21:34 |
| soren | (DST change) | 21:34 |
| ewanmellor | :-) | 21:34 |
| jbryce | well...i'm open to whatever as far as the time. i think you two have the biggest offset, so let us know if you want to alternate and make jesse, vish and josh wake up early for a change. | 21:35 |
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| jbryce | for now, we'll plan on same time next thursday. i'll send out a note and the leftover agenda items. | 21:36 |
| creiht | k | 21:36 |
| jbryce | thanks guys! | 21:36 |
| jbryce | #endmeeting | 21:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openstack Meetings: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/" | 21:36 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 17 21:36:38 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-02-17-21.00.html | 21:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-02-17-21.00.txt | 21:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-02-17-21.00.log.html | 21:36 |
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