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| * ttx waves | 20:59 | |
| soren | o/ | 20:59 |
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| glenc | \o | 21:00 |
| ttx | (~pvo@openstack/pvo) nice cloak :) | 21:00 |
| dendrobates | o/ | 21:00 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 21:00 |
| ttx | ok, let's get started | 21:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 1 21:01:05 2011 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 21:01 |
| ttx | Welcome everyone to our weekly team meeting... | 21:01 |
| ttx | Today's long agenda: | 21:01 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | 21:01 |
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| ttx | #topic Actions from previous meeting | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from previous meeting" | 21:01 | |
| ttx | * dendrobates to set priorities for last nova specs: DONE | 21:01 |
| ttx | * jaypipes to set tentative assignees for Glance specs: DONE | 21:01 |
| ttx | * nova-core to review and approve proposals blocking 2011.1.1: DONE | 21:01 |
| ttx | #topic Current release stage: Development | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current release stage: Development" | 21:02 | |
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| ttx | We have passed the middle of this cycle feature merge window. | 21:02 |
| ttx | BranchMergeProposalFreeze is on March 17. You should have your feature branches proposed before that date. | 21:02 |
| ttx | Questions ? | 21:03 |
| ttx | moving on... | 21:03 |
| soren | I think this time around, most of the questions have already been answered :) | 21:03 |
| ttx | #topic Cactus Release status | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cactus Release status" | 21:03 | |
| ttx | I hope so :) | 21:03 |
| jaypipes | ttx: what specifically are the BPs that have to do with the compute API, and more importantly, is there any chance they will be in a state to propose merging by that date? | 21:04 |
| ttx | The "current release stage" is just a reminder about the cycle. | 21:04 |
| pvo | jaypipes: westmaas is working that and feels confident as of today | 21:04 |
| * pvo looking up bps... | 21:05 | |
| jaypipes | pvo: have the BPs or bugs been created for the missing functionality? | 21:05 |
| jaypipes | pvo: k, thx | 21:05 |
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| ttx | jaypipes: no, the current one only addresses a subset. | 21:05 |
| ttx | We can come back to that at the end of the release status | 21:05 |
| pvo | jaypipes: the 'missing' functionality is what I hope we can resolve here... | 21:05 |
| pvo | k | 21:05 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/releasestatus/ | 21:05 |
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| ttx | I think we need a priority adjustment: xs-resize (High) is blocked by xs-migration (Medium), so xs-migration should probably be bumped to High | 21:05 |
| ttx | dendrobates: ? | 21:06 |
| pvo | ttx: could probably reverse those then | 21:06 |
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| pvo | that was likely my mistake | 21:06 |
| ttx | pvo: ok, I can fix that. | 21:06 |
| pvo | jaypipes: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/openstack-api-1-1 | 21:06 |
| pvo | ttx: I can do it. | 21:06 |
| pvo | if thats ok | 21:06 |
| soren | xs-migration looks to be in good shape, though. | 21:06 |
| soren | Just saying. | 21:07 |
| ttx | #action pvo to readjust prios for xs-resize and xs-migration | 21:07 |
| pvo | soren: true, I think dietz said he was almost done | 21:07 |
| jaypipes | pvo: ah, ok. sorry, I was referring to bps or bugs that break the gap analysis down.. | 21:07 |
| ttx | On the completion rate, based on the current data: | 21:07 |
| dendrobates | ttx: will do | 21:07 |
| pvo | jaypipes: haven't seen it yet. | 21:07 |
| _cerberus_ | Yeah, it's merge propped. Just need to make some of the suggest fixes | 21:07 |
| _cerberus_ | Could use another reviewer though plz | 21:07 |
| ttx | Essential specs: | 21:07 |
| ttx | Glance: 1 completed, 1 proposed, 2 in progress | 21:07 |
| jaypipes | pvo: k, understood. didn't know, sorry | 21:07 |
| ttx | Nova: 1 in progress | 21:07 |
| ttx | All on track for release, afaik | 21:08 |
| ttx | High specs: | 21:08 |
| ttx | Glance: 1 proposed, 1 not started | 21:08 |
| ttx | Nova: 1 completed, 6 in progress, 1 blocked, 1 not started | 21:08 |
| ttx | The blocked one (xs-resize) should be unblocked soon, like soren and _cerberus_ said | 21:08 |
| ttx | The "not started" one should be started this week, according to antonym | 21:08 |
| ttx | Other specs: | 21:08 |
| ttx | Glance: 5 completed, 1 in progress, 4 not started | 21:09 |
| antonym | yeah, i'm flipping it now, started on it today | 21:09 |
| ttx | Nova: 3 completed, 5 proposed, 10 started, 6 not started | 21:09 |
| ttx | Swift: 3 not started, 1 deferred | 21:09 |
| ttx | Does anyone want to raise a flag about his (Medium/High/Essential) spec not likely to be completed in time ? | 21:09 |
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| ttx | From where I'm staying I doubt we'll have the same scores than with Bexar, which is not necessarily bad | 21:10 |
| ttx | (completion scores) | 21:10 |
| ttx | since we targeted more specs on a shorter "stabilization" cycle :) | 21:10 |
| ttx | no comment, so I'll assume everyone is on track :) | 21:11 |
| ttx | On the Nova stabilization effort: | 21:11 |
| ttx | I have a new launchpadlib script to gather that stat... | 21:11 |
| ttx | Last week we actually had 32 bugs opened and 24 fixes committed | 21:11 |
| ttx | This week we had 37 bugs opened and 29 fixes committed | 21:11 |
| jaypipes | ttx: image-conversion in Glance. not likely to be completed. | 21:12 |
| vishy | whoot! | 21:12 |
| ttx | jaypipes: noted. | 21:12 |
| ttx | This stabilization(sp?) activity triggers a lot of branch reviews... | 21:12 |
| ttx | I think we should prioritize review of new features branches over bugfix branches. | 21:12 |
| jaypipes | ttx: very slow going in reviews and getting Swift integrated properly (the Swift driver simply didn't work at all, frankly) is a priority | 21:12 |
| ttx | jaypipes: i'll try to get into glance code and help in reviews | 21:13 |
| ttx | One reason for prioritizing this way is that feature branches take longer to be reviewed and fixed | 21:13 |
| ttx | Another reason is that we want new features in as early as possible | 21:13 |
| jaypipes | ttx: reviews are fine. it's me getting to fixing the stuff IN the reviews that's an issue this particular week (jury duty and all...) | 21:13 |
| ttx | jaypipes: ok | 21:14 |
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| soren | ttx: On that note, people have been very positive about the review duty thing. I think we'll be able to get reviews done quicker very soon. | 21:14 |
| ttx | Last reason is that FeatureFreeze hits first | 21:14 |
| ttx | let's hope so. | 21:14 |
| soren | ttx: One guy even said he'd give me $700,000,000.00 if I just sent him a bit of money. | 21:14 |
| sandywalsh_ | o/ | 21:14 |
| soren | ttx: Or maybe that was about something else... | 21:14 |
| ttx | soren: og! *that* guy. | 21:14 |
| ttx | next, johnpur wanted to get some extra status on specific features he called out in http://www.openstack.org/blog/2011/02/the-openstack-bexar-release/ | 21:15 |
| ttx | "Support for VMware ESX & ESXi hypervisors" | 21:15 |
| ttx | That would be hypervisor-vmware-vsphere-support (Medium, Started). Lots of code was pushed in the last two hours. Anyone from Citrix with more status ? | 21:15 |
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| ttx | ewanmellor, maybe ? | 21:16 |
| ttx | "Support for Linux container virtualization through support for OpenVZ and LXC (Linux Containers)" | 21:17 |
| ttx | That's bexar-nova-containers (Low, branch proposed for merging), but it is LXC-only. zul, any additional comment ? | 21:17 |
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| soren | zul: He posted a branch for review yesterday. | 21:17 |
| soren | Err... | 21:17 |
| soren | ttx: He posted a branch for review yesterday. | 21:17 |
| soren | It looks decent. | 21:17 |
| vishy | soren, ttx: i haven't gotten his branch working yet | 21:18 |
| vishy | (on maverick) | 21:18 |
| ttx | that might be a bit tricky. | 21:18 |
| ttx | anyway, on track. | 21:18 |
| ttx | "Additional disk and appliance formats supported in Glance" | 21:18 |
| ttx | I think that's api-image-format (Essential, branch was proposed for merging), jaypipes ? | 21:18 |
| jaypipes | ttx: correct, it's in review. | 21:19 |
| ttx | "Disk and appliance format conversion support in Glance" | 21:19 |
| jaypipes | ttx: that will NOT be done...or at least it would be a miracle at this point. | 21:19 |
| ttx | That would be image-file-conversion. In jeopardy | 21:19 |
| ttx | jaypipes: ack, we'll mark it defer when it's abandoned, then | 21:20 |
| ttx | "Live migration of instances" | 21:20 |
| ewanmellor | ttx: We are peer reviewing vsphere-support internally at the moment. | 21:20 |
| ttx | That's cactus-migration-live (Medium, branch was proposed for merging) | 21:20 |
| ttx | ewanmellor: thanks for the update ! | 21:20 |
| ttx | "Features and operational elements availability via XenAPI by Rackspace in preparation for large scale deployment" | 21:21 |
| jaypipes | ttx: live-migration is in review, but could use a ping of masumotok | 21:21 |
| ttx | I think that's all the xs-* blueprints. We have 2 already implemented, 1 proposed for merging, 3 i nprogress, 1 blocked (soon to be unblocked) and 3 not started yet. pvo, comments ? | 21:21 |
| ewanmellor | ttx: It's being done on Launchpad, so people can look if they want. We intend to bring it to nova-core for review in a week. | 21:21 |
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| tr3buchet | ttx: did you count multi-nic (it doesn't have the xs_ prefix). it's currently in progress as well | 21:22 |
| ttx | tr3buchet: no... I tried to split the ozone specs between what was XenAPI specific and what was not | 21:23 |
| ttx | to match the description | 21:23 |
| ttx | I'll remember that I should count multi-nic in | 21:23 |
| ttx | "Performance and scaling improvements in Swift" | 21:23 |
| ttx | That's all the swift specs. One was started but abandoned (using sqlite WAL proved not mature yet), the others are not started yet. Maybe creiht has more details... | 21:24 |
| ttx | "Internationalization and localization in Swift" | 21:24 |
| ttx | No spec was filed for cactus in that area. | 21:25 |
| ttx | johnpur: did you get what you wanted out of this ? | 21:25 |
| creiht | ttx: the performance iprovements continue | 21:25 |
| creiht | there is another branch for proxy pref | 21:25 |
| johnpur | yes, thanks for the updates, everyone. Looks good. | 21:25 |
| creiht | currently in merge prop | 21:25 |
| creiht | i18n was mostly done in bexar | 21:25 |
| creiht | All that should be left is hooking up the lp stuff | 21:26 |
| creiht | sorry... today has been a busy day | 21:26 |
| ttx | creiht: should we retrospectively track proxy pref in a blueprint ? | 21:26 |
| ttx | or is it a minor thing ? | 21:26 |
| creiht | I was thought there was a blueprint for it | 21:27 |
| ttx | creiht: we'll sync off-meeting | 21:27 |
| creiht | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/swift/+spec/cactus-asynchronous-proxy | 21:27 |
| ttx | oh, that's the one. Wasn't marked started | 21:28 |
| jaypipes | ok, you'll async off-meeting, then. ;) | 21:28 |
| creiht | hehe | 21:28 |
| ttx | ok, moving on, long agenda today | 21:28 |
| creiht | ttx: like I said, we've been busy, so i's may not be dotted ;) | 21:28 |
| ttx | I should have caught it by looking at branch names :) | 21:28 |
| ttx | #topic Nova 2011.1.1 release status | 21:29 |
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| ttx | I sent an email to the list on Friday, we have a candidate tarball up. | 21:29 |
| ttx | Not sure if anyone spent time testing it... | 21:29 |
| ttx | I did validate that the included fixes do indeed fix the corresponding bugs, except bug 716427 | 21:29 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 716427 in nova/bexar "RPC concurrency problem" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/716427 | 21:29 |
| ttx | soren: any success validating this fix ? | 21:29 |
| ttx | I also did minimal testing for weird regressions. | 21:30 |
| antonym | i did a few quick spot checks and it appears to have the items it was missing before | 21:30 |
| soren | ttx: Sorry, no. | 21:30 |
| ttx | soren: missing time ? | 21:30 |
| soren | ttx: It shouldn't be hard at all, really. | 21:30 |
| soren | ttx: Yeah. | 21:30 |
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| ttx | ok | 21:30 |
| ttx | Now we need to decide to release it or wait for more testing. | 21:31 |
| ttx | I can wait for soren last validation and ship it | 21:31 |
| ttx | Opinions ? | 21:31 |
| dendrobates | I think we should test it | 21:31 |
| dendrobates | I volunteer | 21:31 |
| johnpur | ttx: +1 | 21:32 |
| ttx | My personal opinion is that the fixes are safe, but if we have a few more volunteers, we can wait until Thursday, for example | 21:32 |
| dendrobates | it's up to you. I am willing to spend a couple days testing it if you need me to. | 21:32 |
| ttx | I'm ok with Thursday. | 21:33 |
| ttx | If no regression is reported by then, we'll ship it | 21:33 |
| dendrobates | wfm | 21:33 |
| ttx | Remember you compare with Bexar, not cactus | 21:33 |
| ttx | Given all the bugfix work that has been going on in cactus, it's quite a bit better at this point. | 21:33 |
| ttx | As soren could confirm :) | 21:34 |
| soren | Gawd, yes. | 21:34 |
| ttx | #info Nova 2011.1.1 will be release Thursday, unless a regression against Bexar is reported | 21:34 |
| ttx | released* | 21:34 |
| ttx | #topic python-novatools short term needs | 21:35 |
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| ttx | sandywalsh_: floor is yours | 21:35 |
| tr3buchet | ..chirp chirp chirp.. | 21:36 |
| sandywalsh_ | ok, well, I guess if anyone has any comments? | 21:36 |
| sandywalsh_ | :) | 21:36 |
| sandywalsh_ | 3 key issues | 21:36 |
| sandywalsh_ | 1. forking from jacobian's original | 21:37 |
| sandywalsh_ | thoughts? | 21:37 |
| tr3buchet | 1+ | 21:37 |
| eday | sandywalsh_: go fot it :) | 21:37 |
| ttx | sandywalsh_: i can certainly put up an Ubuntu package from your latest | 21:37 |
| sandywalsh_ | great | 21:37 |
| ttx | Addresses my concerns. | 21:37 |
| sandywalsh_ | which brings up #2 | 21:37 |
| sandywalsh_ | 2. moving novatools into nova or leaving as ext lib | 21:37 |
| sandywalsh_ | I vote ext lib | 21:38 |
| dabo | +1 external | 21:38 |
| jk0 | +1 for ext | 21:38 |
| _cerberus_ | Me too | 21:38 |
| eday | I like the idea of putting it in lp:nova/clients/python, but don't care that much | 21:38 |
| sandywalsh_ | any opposed? | 21:38 |
| dendrobates | no response from ben right? | 21:39 |
| eday | especially since it's a dependency for nova (zone communication) | 21:39 |
| sandywalsh_ | eday, as do I, but it's a little klunky with the packaging when I messed with it | 21:39 |
| sandywalsh_ | something we might revisit later I think | 21:39 |
| sandywalsh_ | also lots of changes coming with OS API 1.1+ | 21:39 |
| eday | sandywalsh_: how so? pakcaging it can just live independently in it's own client dir, no? | 21:39 |
| sandywalsh_ | eday, yup, just more work to do and not really the time for cactus | 21:40 |
| eday | mv novatools nova/clients/python && add/commit, no? | 21:40 |
| ttx | eday: what's the benefit of having it in the same code base ? | 21:41 |
| sandywalsh_ | I'll look at it again, but I thought there were some issues with the shell | 21:41 |
| eday | txx: less dpeendnecy tracking for devs, less packages | 21:41 |
| sandywalsh_ | I'll have a look tonight ... if it's clean any opposed? | 21:42 |
| ttx | dabo, jk0 voted external | 21:42 |
| eday | s/packages/repos | 21:42 |
| _cerberus_ | ttx: as did I | 21:42 |
| sandywalsh_ | k, sounds like external for now. revisit later | 21:43 |
| ttx | _cerberus_: yes, but you encrypted your +1. | 21:43 |
| _cerberus_ | haha | 21:43 |
| sandywalsh_ | last point: 3. naming. Currently: package=python-novatools, cmdline=nova | 21:43 |
| eday | like I said, don't really care.. easy to switch later | 21:43 |
| sandywalsh_ | naming votes? | 21:43 |
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| tr3buchet | since it's a direct interface with nova, i think nova is fine | 21:44 |
| sandywalsh_ | going | 21:44 |
| sandywalsh_ | going | 21:44 |
| jk0 | I like the idea of switching to python-nova, and keeping cmd nova | 21:44 |
| jk0 | for consistency if anything | 21:45 |
| sandywalsh_ | jk0, what would the import be? | 21:45 |
| sandywalsh_ | import nova.client? | 21:45 |
| ewanmellor | Nova is called python-nova in Ubuntu. | 21:45 |
| jk0 | ah | 21:45 |
| sandywalsh_ | right now it's 'import novatools' | 21:45 |
| jk0 | well, I think we could some up wiht something better than novatools | 21:45 |
| sandywalsh_ | nova = novatools.Openstack() | 21:45 |
| jk0 | it doesn't feel right | 21:46 |
| jk0 | I don't have anything to propose though | 21:46 |
| sandywalsh_ | :) | 21:46 |
| sandywalsh_ | gone? | 21:46 |
| ewanmellor | nova.client would be pretty natural, but that would imply putting it in lp:nova/client | 21:46 |
| _cerberus_ | Wouldn't most names /nova*/ imply putting it under the same project? | 21:47 |
| tr3buchet | i tend to agree with nova.client | 21:47 |
| ewanmellor | BTW, NovaTools is the name of a resedit plugin. | 21:48 |
| jk0 | how about python-novaclient? | 21:48 |
| tr3buchet | why does it have to have python in the front? | 21:48 |
| sandywalsh_ | there are two parts: the cmdline tool and the client, but that should be ok | 21:49 |
| tr3buchet | (curious) | 21:49 |
| sandywalsh_ | tr3buchet, ruby-novaclient | 21:49 |
| sandywalsh_ | (thinking out loud) | 21:49 |
| dabo | that sounds more like a packaging name | 21:49 |
| dragondm | ubuntu std naming scheme. | 21:49 |
| tr3buchet | so this is commandline + import library? | 21:49 |
| sandywalsh_ | yes | 21:49 |
| dabo | the tool is not the same name as the package | 21:50 |
| tr3buchet | so couldn't we name the commandline tool separately from the libs for ruby python etc.. | 21:50 |
| sandywalsh_ | dabo, right, but one uses the other and setup.py installs both. | 21:50 |
| glenc | I think we should call it "monty" | 21:51 |
| glenc | Then the package would be python-monty | 21:51 |
| ttx | There can only be one monty. | 21:51 |
| sandywalsh_ | so, there seems to be issues with all names. Which name has the fewest issues? :) | 21:52 |
| ttx | I guess I missed the objection to python-novatools / nova | 21:53 |
| dabo | leave it as is for now. If someone comes up with a better name, we'll consider that then | 21:53 |
| jk0 | I like python-novaclient / nova | 21:53 |
| jk0 | or even python-novalib | 21:53 |
| sandywalsh_ | hmm, it's more than just a lib | 21:53 |
| sandywalsh_ | I could go with novaclient | 21:54 |
| ttx | I like novaclient, sounds like a better description | 21:54 |
| glenc | #agree | 21:54 |
| sandywalsh_ | vote: python-novaclient vs. existing python-novatools | 21:54 |
| ttx | python-novaclient | 21:54 |
| antonym | +1 for python-novaclient | 21:54 |
| _cerberus_ | +1 former | 21:54 |
| dabo | when using a CLI tool, who cares if it's Python or Ruby or Perl under the hood. For modules, you may need the language name in the package, but it would be silly as the module name | 21:54 |
| kpepple | +1 python-novaclient | 21:55 |
| sandywalsh_ | it's not the module name. The module name is novatools/novaclient | 21:55 |
| sandywalsh_ | k, novaclient it is then? | 21:55 |
| ttx | package name python-novaclient, module name: novaclient, cmdline tool: nova. | 21:55 |
| sandywalsh_ | ttx, yes | 21:56 |
| ttx | The bikeshed is now officially blue. | 21:56 |
| sandywalsh_ | and I'm done | 21:56 |
| sandywalsh_ | ttx bang your gavel | 21:56 |
| ttx | let's switch topics, quick | 21:56 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion" | 21:56 | |
| ttx | anything else, anyone ? | 21:56 |
| spectorclan | OpenStack Design Summit Registration Should be up later this week | 21:56 |
| spectorclan | working on final changes to site right now... | 21:57 |
| ttx | spectorclan: that's for both the conference and the design summit, right | 21:57 |
| spectorclan | Correct. Just 1 registration for both events | 21:57 |
| antonym | spectorclan: btw, noticed that http://openstack.org/projects/compute/ released date is incorrect | 21:57 |
| spectorclan | antonym: Hmmm, let me look | 21:58 |
| antonym | on swift as well | 21:58 |
| johnpur | spectorclan: what is the status on the summit after diablo? do we know where we are targeting? | 21:58 |
| ttx | 2010 is so last year. | 21:58 |
| creiht | hehe | 21:58 |
| spectorclan | johnpur, working on it but nothing definite yet | 21:58 |
| johnpur | ok, there was some question about this earlier | 21:58 |
| spectorclan | yes, we are moving away from Japan for a formal event | 21:59 |
| ttx | jaypipes: I kinda skipped your question on a missing spec to cover for gaps in openstack api | 21:59 |
| johnpur | spectorclan: thx | 21:59 |
| ttx | jaypipes: the current spec only covers some gaps, as far as I can tell. | 22:00 |
| ttx | jaypipes: we don't have a spec filed about doing a full gap analysis and cover that. | 22:00 |
| ttx | time to close the meeting... | 22:01 |
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| ttx | #endmeeting | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openstack Meetings: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/" | 22:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 1 22:02:06 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:02 |
| spectorclan | exit | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-03-01-21.01.html | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-03-01-21.01.txt | 22:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-03-01-21.01.log.html | 22:02 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone ! | 22:02 |
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