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| soren | Er... | 20:01 |
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| ttx | er.. in one hour. | 20:01 |
| soren | orly? | 20:01 |
| ttx | yes. | 20:02 |
| ttx | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20110503T21 | 20:03 |
| soren | I got the whole add-two thing down pretty good. I just thought the meeting was at 2000 UTC :) | 20:04 |
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| ttx | o/ | 20:59 |
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| dabo | o/ | 20:59 |
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| annegentle | \o | 20:59 |
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| glenc | |o}dk | 21:00 |
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| vishy | o/ | 21:00 |
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| ttx | notmyname: around ? | 21:01 |
| dendrobates | o) | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | ttx: yo | 21:01 |
| ttx | yay, let's start. | 21:02 |
| ttx | #startmeeting | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 3 21:02:13 2011 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 21:02 |
| ttx | Welcome everyone to our weekly OpenStack team meeting... | 21:02 |
| ttx | Today's agenda: | 21:02 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | 21:02 |
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| ttx | #topic Current release stage: Design | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current release stage: Design" | 21:03 | |
| ttx | We are just a few days after the design summit, and still digesting all the sessions... | 21:03 |
| ttx | The PTLs are working on the Diablo plans. | 21:03 |
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| ttx | The idea is to have blueprints for the significant features we want to have in Diablo, in order to track them. | 21:03 |
| ttx | jaypipes: o/ | 21:03 |
| jaypipes | ttx: sorry for tardiness... | 21:04 |
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| ttx | Vish already sent an email to Nova devs for missing assignees. | 21:04 |
| ttx | By next week we should have a more precise plan. | 21:04 |
| ttx | #topic Default release schedule | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Default release schedule" | 21:04 | |
| ttx | I talked to Vish on Friday and we came up with a default release schedule | 21:04 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/DiabloReleaseSchedule | 21:05 |
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| sandywalsh | o/ | 21:05 |
| ttx | One milestone every 4 weeks, with some extra time for the first, to account for BP work and design summit digestion | 21:05 |
| ttx | Last milestone is skipped since we have a coordinated release instead | 21:05 |
| ttx | We might add an extra gamma-like milestone towards the end... | 21:05 |
| ttx | Unless they have a good reason not to, projects should try to stick to that default schedule | 21:06 |
| ttx | Questions ? Remarks ? | 21:06 |
| soren | Um. | 21:06 |
| NelsonN | When will be possibl;e to start submitting code? | 21:06 |
| carlp_ | Sounds good, looks like we should get some rapid iterative development with this. | 21:06 |
| ttx | NelsonN: it's already possible. | 21:07 |
| ttx | Since April 14. | 21:07 |
| NelsonN | ok great | 21:07 |
| soren | ttx: I don't see any freezes or anything on that release schedule. | 21:07 |
| soren | ttx: Do we not do freezes? Just random snapshots of trunk on those days? | 21:07 |
| ttx | soren: depends on the project. Whenever I have more precision from PTLs I'll add it | 21:08 |
| vishy | soen: the plan we discussed was for the first milestone to do a QA branch a couple of days before | 21:08 |
| ttx | But we probably won't freeze. Just branch out a QA thing. | 21:08 |
| vishy | until automated testing is complete enough that we feel comfortable just tagging the latest stable build | 21:09 |
| vishy | soren: ^^ | 21:09 |
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| soren | Ok. | 21:09 |
| ttx | soren: the schedule will get more precise over time. I wanted to set the milestones dates early. | 21:09 |
| ttx | Ok, let's move on then | 21:10 |
| ttx | #topic Bits from the PTLs: Nova | 21:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bits from the PTLs: Nova" | 21:10 | |
| ttx | vishy: anything to announce ? | 21:10 |
| ttx | others: any question for the Nova PTL ? | 21:10 |
| ttx | vishy: I suspect you're waiting on answers and assignees on your recent ML post ? | 21:11 |
| jaypipes | vishy: excellent post to ML about decisions. thanks for doing that. | 21:11 |
| vishy | ttx: no announcements | 21:11 |
| vishy | ttx: more emails and blueprints coming soon :) | 21:11 |
| ttx | eh. | 21:11 |
| vishy | ttx: i didn't request specific assignees in that post | 21:12 |
| ttx | #topic Bits from the PTLs: Glance | 21:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bits from the PTLs: Glance" | 21:12 | |
| jaypipes | We're assigning blueprints currently to D1 and D2 milestones. https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/diablo-1 | 21:12 |
| ttx | vishy: ok, only BPs so far. | 21:12 |
| jaypipes | Expect to see some emails about Glance BPs and milestones in a few hours. | 21:12 |
| ttx | jaypipes, vishy: are we standardizing milesones names ? diablo-1 ? diablo1-20110602 ? | 21:13 |
| jaypipes | And a ML post about new images API stuff coming in D1. | 21:13 |
| jaypipes | ttx: doesn't matter to me... | 21:13 |
| pvo | dX seems to make sense. | 21:13 |
| jaypipes | ttx: I think it's easier to say D1 than D1-20110602 ;) | 21:13 |
| ttx | jaypipes: I agree, but Vish wanted to add te date in it... | 21:14 |
| glenc | it also doesn't look as silly if you slip it by a few days | 21:14 |
| pvo | the milestones already have a date field that is required. | 21:14 |
| jaypipes | ++ to pvo and glenc | 21:14 |
| ttx | vishy: ok with that ? | 21:14 |
| vishy | yes | 21:14 |
| vishy | as long as the date exists somewhere easy to find | 21:14 |
| vishy | i don't think it needs to be in the name | 21:15 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/glance/diablo | 21:15 |
| jaypipes | vishy: it's attached to the milestone... | 21:15 |
| ttx | or on the release schedule. | 21:15 |
| vishy | that is fine with me | 21:15 |
| ttx | ok, thx | 21:15 |
| ttx | anything else on Glance ? | 21:15 |
| jaypipes | ttx: eh, not right now... I have some stuff to talk about re: Keystone, though... | 21:15 |
| jaypipes | KnightHacker: that you, Khaled? | 21:16 |
| jaypipes | whois confirms... | 21:16 |
| KnightHacker | jaypipes: Yes. | 21:16 |
| anotherjesse | jaypipes: have you had a chance to play with tests for keystone? | 21:16 |
| jaypipes | anotherjesse: yes. | 21:16 |
| jaypipes | anotherjesse, ttx, KnightHacker: can I propose a topic for later on for Keystone? | 21:16 |
| anotherjesse | ++ | 21:17 |
| ttx | sure | 21:17 |
| KnightHacker | sure | 21:17 |
| ttx | #topic Bits from the PTLs: Swift | 21:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bits from the PTLs: Swift" | 21:17 | |
| ttx | notmyname: something on your mind ? | 21:17 |
| notmyname | I don't have anything yet. just been working a little on the github account | 21:17 |
| notmyname | nothing for swift yet | 21:17 |
| ttx | Any question for notmyname ? | 21:17 |
| ttx | ok then... | 21:18 |
| notmyname | wait | 21:18 |
| ttx | #topic Feedback from the design summit | 21:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Feedback from the design summit" | 21:18 | |
| ttx | ah | 21:18 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:18 |
| ttx | notmyname: fire | 21:18 |
| notmyname | well, since you were talking milestones with the other projects, our milestones will be (I think) version numbers | 21:19 |
| notmyname | like 1.3.X | 21:19 |
| notmyname | just FYI | 21:19 |
| ttx | hmm... and you turn 1.3.8 into 1.4.0 ? sounds weird to me | 21:19 |
| vishy | notmyname: are you doing 4 week milestones as well? Or is it a "when it is ready" point release? | 21:20 |
| notmyname | I think it will be more of a "when it's ready", but we will target something roughly monthly | 21:20 |
| notmyname | ttx: I'm not sure that diablo == 1.4.0 | 21:20 |
| ttx | notmyname: oh, I see. | 21:20 |
| notmyname | I'd like to discuss more with the other devs on that, but we aren't making fundamental changes to the architecture at this point | 21:21 |
| notmyname | at least, not until pluggable rings are imported :-) | 21:21 |
| jaypipes | notmyname: so you're saying that instead of milestones named D1, you'll have milestones named, say, "1.3.6"? | 21:21 |
| notmyname | jaypipes: yes | 21:21 |
| jaypipes | notmyname: k, understood... | 21:21 |
| ttx | notmyname: ok, keep us posted on further progress. | 21:22 |
| notmyname | will do | 21:22 |
| ttx | really moving to next topic now | 21:22 |
| ttx | #topic Feedback from the design summit | 21:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Feedback from the design summit" | 21:22 | |
| ttx | For those who were present but missed the postmortem session at the end... | 21:22 |
| ttx | Anything on your mind ? What went well, what went wrong ? | 21:22 |
| zns | Is there a summary somewhere of the postmortem? | 21:23 |
| jlm^ | Shouldn't have multiple differing copies of agenda. | 21:23 |
| pvo | mobile scheduling tool was nice. | 21:23 |
| anotherjesse | ttx: it might be nice to have a clearer separation of the summit and conference part | 21:23 |
| ttx | anotherjesse: We might place the design summit *before* the conference next time | 21:23 |
| anotherjesse | it can be confusing to folks to have them overlap | 21:23 |
| spectorclan_ | anotherjesse: we plan to market as independent events next time | 21:23 |
| ttx | anotherjesse: I'm fully with you. The business people like to have it overlap though, so make sure you give then that feedback | 21:23 |
| dabo | sometimes seating and/or people made it hard to hear the discussion | 21:23 |
| ttx | dabo: I'd blame rooms, that were too large for our need | 21:24 |
| bblair48 | Hard to call them design discussions with 150 people in the room. | 21:24 |
| notmyname | +1 to mobile scheduling | 21:24 |
| anotherjesse | I think the unconference sessions were nice - would have liked to have a day just for those topics | 21:24 |
| zns | More whiteboards | 21:24 |
| anotherjesse | (that folks want to talk about - not overlapping with summit) | 21:24 |
| dabo | +1 on whiteboards | 21:24 |
| jaypipes | zns: ++ | 21:24 |
| glenc | ++ | 21:24 |
| spectorclan_ | Got it on the whiteboards | 21:24 |
| * jaypipes would like smaller rooms | 21:24 | |
| anotherjesse | maybe we overlap the unconference and conference -- not the summit & conference :) | 21:24 |
| * ttx would like projectors and screens up until the end | 21:25 | |
| spectorclan_ | ttx: that was a scheduling issue on our end, we thought 3:30 would be it. my mistake | 21:25 |
| jaypipes | if the design summit were first, then last DS day mixed with first conference day, then decisions made in the DS could be explained to business folks better.. | 21:25 |
| spectorclan_ | jaypipes: that is what I proposed today | 21:25 |
| ttx | jaypipes: yes, that's the rationale. | 21:25 |
| spectorclan_ | design summit (M-W) Conf (W-R) | 21:26 |
| jlm^ | Organizing which sessions -- can this happen on the open list? There were "by invite" sessions. | 21:26 |
| ewindisch | having a mobile site was nice, but finding it was relatively difficult. | 21:26 |
| jaypipes | jlm^: which ones were " by invite"? | 21:26 |
| anotherjesse | the pre-conference naas ones? | 21:26 |
| dabo | no overlapping teenybopper events next time! | 21:26 |
| zns | Mobile sucked on BlackBerry. (I know BlackBerry sucks, but gotta support em… for a couple more years at least). | 21:26 |
| ttx | dabo: +1 | 21:26 |
| jaypipes | dabo: lol | 21:26 |
| jlm^ | The networking ones before Thu. | 21:26 |
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| spectorclan_ | zns:we are aware of the blackberry issue | 21:27 |
| zns | Or provide iPhones ;-) | 21:27 |
| spectorclan_ | did everyone take the online survey? | 21:27 |
| zns | No. Link to survey? | 21:27 |
| jaypipes | jlm^: no design summit discussion should have been "by invite" | 21:27 |
| jlm^ | I missed (didn't hear about) the Mon one, someone forwarded me a msg about the Tue one. | 21:27 |
| ttx | jlm^: I think those weren't by invite, they were only "organized at the very last moment" | 21:28 |
| spectorclan_ | http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XH8NW5Y | 21:28 |
| ttx | jlm^: but we'll make sure to avoid that next time... | 21:28 |
| spectorclan_ | I am not aware of the NAAS stuff on Monday - do we know who planned it? | 21:28 |
| troytoman | jlm^: sorry. we just pulled together the authors of the various naas blueprints. not meant to be invite only | 21:28 |
| jlm^ | The organizing msgs didn't go to an open list, they went to a list of invitees. | 21:28 |
| ttx | spectorclan: Erik Carlin, I think | 21:29 |
| spectorclan_ | ok. I will make sure all things come thru me so I can keep track | 21:29 |
| spectorclan_ | and make sure the items are public | 21:29 |
| ttx | any other quick feedback before we switch to Keystone ? | 21:29 |
| jlm^ | Also, they weren't on the schedules. | 21:29 |
| ttx | jlm^: they weren't part of the design summit. | 21:29 |
| ttx | jlm^: until Thursday... | 21:29 |
| spectorclan_ | BTW, looks like Boston in first week of October - starting my search this week for an event location; open to all ideas | 21:30 |
| zns | Everything in October should be in Munich... | 21:30 |
| vishy | spectorclan_: +1 for summit in Hawaii | 21:30 |
| jk0 | what happened to Europe? | 21:30 |
| anotherjesse | vishy: +1 for hawaii | 21:30 |
| salv-orlando | I thought the design summit was coming to Europe :-) | 21:30 |
| ttx | jk0: +1 | 21:30 |
| spectorclan_ | vishy: Hawaii is not a state so no can do | 21:30 |
| dendrobates | boston is horrible. We should not make all the Japanese devs travel here again. | 21:30 |
| pvo | what? | 21:31 |
| spectorclan_ | jk0: Europe or Asia is target for 2012 Fall event | 21:31 |
| dendrobates | spectorclan: why? | 21:31 |
| spectorclan_ | Not enough time to plan an event in Europe this year | 21:31 |
| spectorclan_ | Event team at Rackspace wants more time to put it together | 21:31 |
| spectorclan_ | I am looking to setup mini summits in Japan this year for developers and possibly europe as well | 21:32 |
| notmyname | all I ask is that the date and place be firm as soon as possible for those of us who will try to plan travel around it. airfare and hotels will be cheaper the sooner they are booked | 21:32 |
| dendrobates | I call BS on that. six months is more than enough time. | 21:32 |
| spectorclan_ | notmyname: the plan is to finalize the location and dates this month. | 21:32 |
| pvo | spectorclan_: pssst. Hawaii is a state. | 21:32 |
| spectorclan_ | dendrobates: they are part of the decision process for helping to plan and finance the event | 21:32 |
| alekibango | ttx: ... a bit late comment to release schedules: i would love shorter iterations, like in agile programming -- backed by lots of automated tests | 21:32 |
| ttx | ok, we'll move the rest of this discussion to open discussion | 21:33 |
| comstud | just curious: which entity is responsible for making the decision? | 21:33 |
| comstud | (of where, when, etc) | 21:33 |
| dendrobates | do we need someone other than Rackspace to put it on? | 21:33 |
| ttx | alekibango: whenever we have automated tests up to snuff maybe | 21:33 |
| anotherjesse | spectorclan_: hawaii became a state recently - 1959 | 21:33 |
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| spectorclan_ | I just saw on Fox they are not a state??? | 21:33 |
| dabo | just ask the donald | 21:33 |
| comstud | I was going to comment on the Hawaii thing, too, but I assume this was a joke | 21:33 |
| ttx | Don't ask Fox anything. | 21:33 |
| alekibango | ttx: i think i can help with this if someone will put few computers and configs in | 21:33 |
| comstud | :) | 21:33 |
| spectorclan_ | Event location discussion - we can have another talk later on this and the thinking of the current plan | 21:33 |
| termie | there are conference facilities in hawaii, this is not an unusual activity for them | 21:34 |
| ttx | alekibango: it's being worked on. It's the key to everything | 21:34 |
| alekibango | i agree | 21:34 |
| spectorclan_ | Hawaii is VERY EXPENSIVE | 21:34 |
| alekibango | bugs are really tough | 21:34 |
| alekibango | even for old hackers | 21:34 |
| ttx | -- STOP -- please complain about location in 10min | 21:34 |
| vishy | spectorclan_: true, but it is cheaper for the japanese... | 21:34 |
| NelsonN | Vegas? | 21:34 |
| vishy | ttx; ok | 21:34 |
| ttx | #topic Keystone | 21:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Keystone" | 21:34 | |
| ttx | want to squeeze the keystone topic requested before we fire location ideas | 21:34 |
| anotherjesse | Jay - want to give an update on testing? | 21:35 |
| ttx | jaypipes: your topic | 21:35 |
| jaypipes | zns, KnightHacker: OK, so I was wondering if you guys would be opposed to replacing bottle with how Nova/Glance/Swift do WSGI app loading? | 21:35 |
| KnightHacker | I think that makes sense. | 21:35 |
| zns | Not at all. Intending to. In fact, there is a nobottle branch. Just haven't got to it yet. | 21:35 |
| KnightHacker | We only used bottle because it was a little faster for us to prototype things | 21:35 |
| jaypipes | ok, no worries... will the nobottle branch be merged any time soon? | 21:36 |
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| * jaypipes was trying to write integration tests with Glance and found it odd that identity.py used a different load process than echo/echo/echo.py ;) | 21:36 | |
| KnightHacker | This branch was created a while back and it'll probably need to be re-created. | 21:36 |
| KnightHacker | I mean, we can make that a priority I guess. | 21:36 |
| anotherjesse | KnightHacker: should we just convert it over with a new branch? | 21:37 |
| KnightHacker | I don't think that it is a big deal. | 21:37 |
| zns | No date. I don't know the state of the branch. Might be too far back. We are meeting internally at Rackspace tomorrow to plan what to code next. We can bring nobottle up. | 21:37 |
| jaypipes | KnightHacker, zns: would be cool to make that a priority. just because that would make starting/stopping servers in integration tests much easier/more standardized... | 21:37 |
| KnightHacker | Yes. | 21:37 |
| jaypipes | KnightHacker, zns: ok, sounds good. can you invite me to that meeting? | 21:37 |
| zns | Sure! | 21:38 |
| ttx | #action KnightHacker zns to get the nobottle branch merged asap | 21:38 |
| ttx | jaypipes: anything else ? | 21:38 |
| jaypipes | awesome. ok, that's all I wanted to bring up right now. thx. | 21:38 |
| zns | Gorrit. | 21:38 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion" | 21:38 | |
| ttx | FWIW I'm taking a few days vacation starting tomorrow, and I'm at a conference next week. Should read email though. | 21:38 |
| ttx | OK, location again | 21:39 |
| jaypipes | anything but Santa Clara is fine by me :) | 21:39 |
| ttx | I think we should choose a place that has some relatively-local openstack developers | 21:39 |
| jk0 | +1 for somewhere other than Boston | 21:39 |
| dendrobates | in 20 minutes we will be having a meeting to discuss the Network project | 21:39 |
| comstud | jay, lol | 21:39 |
| ttx | Europe or Japan makes sense... Hawaii or Boston less so | 21:39 |
| salv-orlando | dendrobates: on this channel? | 21:39 |
| dendrobates | basically logistics stuff | 21:39 |
| dendrobates | salv-orlando: yes | 21:39 |
| termie | hawaii was a compromise on japan | 21:39 |
| ttx | though I won't oppose Hawaii. Or Reunion Island. | 21:39 |
| sandywalsh | Nova Scotia ;) | 21:39 |
| sandywalsh | (hell no) | 21:40 |
| vishy | I have another discussion topic to bring up when the location argument is done | 21:40 |
| dendrobates | We need to get the LP stuff setup and organize teams | 21:40 |
| soren | Bahamas! | 21:40 |
| comstud | +1 :) | 21:40 |
| spectorclan_ | vishy: go ahead with your discussion - I will send an email on Deve mailing list | 21:40 |
| glenc | Iceland - very inexpensive these days | 21:40 |
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| vishy | so forums.openstack.org | 21:40 |
| soren | Ah, that thing. | 21:41 |
| vishy | seems a little odd to me | 21:41 |
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| ttx | vishy: don't tell me | 21:41 |
| termie | i'd like it gone | 21:41 |
| dendrobates | that it is already up? | 21:41 |
| glenc | yup | 21:41 |
| vishy | the overwhelming majority on the list seemed to be a stackexchange style site | 21:41 |
| vishy | yet we have forums instead | 21:41 |
| spectorclan_ | jordan rinke put it up and asked me to blog and promote | 21:41 |
| ttx | vishy: JordanRinke got fed up by the discussion less than 24 hours after starting it and "just made it" | 21:41 |
| antonym | would it make sense to split the lists and irc channels by projects? they seem to be getting pretty busy | 21:41 |
| alekibango | i think more documentation and complete config examples should be written on sane nova network architectures... like few examples here: http://stackops.org/display/documentation/Standard+Multinode+deployment Having more and well documented examples with explanation is what is really missing in nova manuals. But it needs help of those people who really understand nova well. | 21:41 |
| notmyname | antonym: +1 | 21:42 |
| dendrobates | forums are a lot of work if you don't want them to suck | 21:42 |
| vishy | ttx: I got that, but if it is under openstack.org it seems "official" and i don't think there was consensus on forums being the right idea, seems like it should at least go through the PPB... | 21:42 |
| dendrobates | antonym: I suggest we just move off the noisy projects | 21:42 |
| jlm^ | antonym: Agreed. The unified ML is too overloaded. | 21:43 |
| dendrobates | once you get busy enough you get your own list | 21:43 |
| jamesurquhart | dendrobates: +1 | 21:43 |
| ttx | vishy: fully agree | 21:43 |
| dendrobates | we don't want to completely fragment | 21:43 |
| antonym | well #openstack is a big question and answer room in addition to development, if we seperated dev for nova and swift, it might make a little more sense | 21:43 |
| vishy | maybe we just put it on the PPB agenda as part of our figure out the various things that the ppb should be in charge of | 21:43 |
| pvo | vishy: I agree that it would give the impression that its fully supported and staffed. | 21:44 |
| alekibango | +1 | 21:44 |
| soren | vishy: +1. I think that's really more of an issue that anything else. | 21:44 |
| alekibango | +1 for separation of irc | 21:44 |
| soren | vishy: Forums being what we want or not, the fact that it just magically appeared in the openstack.org namespace is problement. | 21:44 |
| soren | ERr.. | 21:44 |
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| soren | problematic. "problement"?!? | 21:45 |
| vishy | soren: agreed, this is just what we discussed at the ppb last week. I'll put it on the agenda | 21:45 |
| soren | butter fingers. | 21:45 |
| zns | French | 21:45 |
| soren | I don't speak French. | 21:45 |
| zns | You just did! | 21:45 |
| soren | Not on purpose, at least. | 21:45 |
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| ttx | ok, anything else ? | 21:46 |
| antonym | i have #openstack-swift and #openstack-nova reg'd from when i set the channels up a while back if we did want to seperate those out | 21:46 |
| dendrobates | antonym: how about just #openstack-devel | 21:47 |
| jlm^ | Now that we have more projects, it makes sense. | 21:47 |
| antonym | is there a ton of nova and swift talk that overlaps? | 21:47 |
| jaypipes | not really... | 21:47 |
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| ttx | I haven't witnessed that much overlap | 21:47 |
| dendrobates | I like seeing all the swift stuff, though | 21:48 |
| dendrobates | but perhaps it's just me. | 21:48 |
| * jaypipes would prefer a single channel and mailing list still... I still don't see it being a huge issue. | 21:48 | |
| antonym | you can sit in all the channels for that :) | 21:48 |
| jlm^ | If you like seeing Swift, sign up for it. :) | 21:48 |
| ttx | antonym: could you prepare a plan, we'll had a topic for the next week meeting and discuss it | 21:49 |
| ttx | I don't want to rush anything in that area | 21:49 |
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| ttx | or maybe raise a thread to take options | 21:49 |
| ttx | Back to preferred topic: What happened of Brussels ? | 21:49 |
| notmyname | from the swift perspective, it's hard to keep up with questions that are asked if they aren't specifically addressed to a swift dev. the other stuff (generally nova stuff) tends to drown it out | 21:49 |
| antonym | ttx: sure, i can make a mailin list topic if that's cool | 21:49 |
| ttx | antonym: yes, with a basic proposal, should spawn a bit of discussion | 21:50 |
| antonym | sounds good | 21:50 |
| ttx | #action antonym to raise a thread about IRC separation on the ML | 21:50 |
| ttx | OK, any other topic ? | 21:51 |
| ttx | I guess not. | 21:52 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:52 |
| ewindisch | I like the idea of Brussels. New York for the US, or for Asia - Japan, Seoul, or Singapore. | 21:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openstack Meetings: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/" | 21:52 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 3 21:52:33 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-05-03-21.02.html | 21:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-05-03-21.02.txt | 21:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-05-03-21.02.log.html | 21:52 |
| ttx | Feel free to continue to vote for Hawaii, Europe or other. | 21:52 |
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| dendrobates | 8 minutes until the Network organization meeting | 21:53 |
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| danwent | can't wait :) | 21:53 |
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| eday | +1 for boston, I need to be there anyway in the fall :) | 21:53 |
| dendrobates | danwent: it should be pretty fast. | 21:53 |
| jk0 | so I take it Amsterdam is no longer an option? :) | 21:53 |
| ttx | jk0: heh | 21:54 |
| jk0 | you know you were all thinking about it | 21:54 |
| danwent | dendrobates: np. glad to see our timing worked out perfectly | 21:54 |
| ewindisch | jk0, day trip from Brussels, no? | 21:54 |
| jk0 | fair enough | 21:55 |
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| danwent | hello networking folks :) | 22:00 |
| carlp_ | hey Dan! | 22:00 |
| salv-orlando | hello dan | 22:00 |
| dendrobates | hello | 22:00 |
| AlexNeef | hi | 22:00 |
| Zangetsue | hi all | 22:00 |
| Sumit | Greetings! | 22:00 |
| markvoelker | Aloha (oh wait, did we not agree on Hawaii? Darn....) | 22:00 |
| dendrobates | I just have a few question to run by everyone, so it should be quick | 22:00 |
| danwent | probably best if everyone gives a shout-out, as there are many non-network folks lurking still. | 22:00 |
| somikbehera | Hellp All | 22:00 |
| danwent | I'm all for hawaii. | 22:00 |
| dendrobates | o/ | 22:00 |
| danwent | network summit ;P | 22:00 |
| somikbehera | *Hello | 22:00 |
| midodan | howdy | 22:00 |
| jlm^ | Yo yo network dudes. | 22:00 |
| carlp_ | Wasn't the IETF summit in Hawaii where IPv6 was developed? | 22:01 |
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| carlp_ | oh so many years ago | 22:01 |
| danwent | carlp_ : that would explain a lot | 22:01 |
| salv-orlando | or the ALOHA protocol? | 22:01 |
| danwent | :) | 22:01 |
| dendrobates | is there any reason to use meetbot? | 22:01 |
| danwent | rick, your call. | 22:01 |
| adjohn | hello! | 22:02 |
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| adjohn | dendrobates: for logging? | 22:02 |
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| dendrobates | adjohn: yes | 22:02 |
| dendrobates | I'll go ahead | 22:02 |
| dendrobates | #startmeeting | 22:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 3 22:02:41 2011 UTC. The chair is dendrobates. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:02 |
| somikbehera | dendrobates: it would be good to have meeting minutes | 22:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 22:02 |
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| dendrobates | #topic LP project placement | 22:03 |
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| dendrobates | Ok, as most of you know I created the Network-service project on Launchpad | 22:03 |
| dendrobates | My idea was to make it a project group that all of us could own and create subprojects below it | 22:04 |
| dendrobates | I thin there is value to us staying as a group during the early stages | 22:04 |
| danwent | agreed | 22:04 |
| salv-orlando | +1 | 22:04 |
| romain_lenglet | +1 | 22:04 |
| carlp_ | +1 | 22:04 |
| somikbehera | +1 | 22:04 |
| ramd | agreed | 22:04 |
| dendrobates | but there is also the option of joining futurestack | 22:04 |
| dendrobates | all the incubation projects | 22:04 |
| jlm^ | What's futurestack? | 22:05 |
| ramd | Is network-service incubation project? | 22:05 |
| danwent | are they mutually exclusive? | 22:05 |
| dendrobates | er, I mean pre incubation projects | 22:05 |
| troytoman | I was asked if we could keep the IPAM work in Nova, any objection for that component? | 22:05 |
| dendrobates | ramd: no it isn't | 22:05 |
| somikbehera | Can Network-service be in futurestack? | 22:05 |
| dendrobates | somikbehera: no, LP cannot do nested groups | 22:05 |
| AlexNeef | I think that network will likely have a lot of touch points with other projects | 22:05 |
| AlexNeef | would future stack give our work better exposure to other groups? | 22:06 |
| carlp_ | AlexNeef: agreed | 22:06 |
| ramd | Quantuma nd Donabe is a go for Diablo, right? | 22:06 |
| markvoelker | jlm^: https://launchpad.net/futurestack | 22:06 |
| dendrobates | ramd: they are not official openstack projects yet | 22:06 |
| salv-orlando | I think melange as well is lined up for diablo | 22:06 |
| carlp_ | Melange is a lined up for Diablo as well | 22:06 |
| jlm^ | Melange == IPAM, right? | 22:07 |
| salv-orlando | yes | 22:07 |
| adjohn | troytoman: wouldn't IPAM be useful as a standalone project? Or are there reasons for that being in nova? | 22:07 |
| carlp_ | jlm^: yes | 22:07 |
| troytoman | jlm^: yes | 22:07 |
| dendrobates | we need to be careful to follow the process correctly | 22:07 |
| dendrobates | there has been some push back from other projects not doing it correctly and I want to avoid that | 22:07 |
| troytoman | adjohn: it would still be a separate service(s) but anotherjesse wanted to see it worked on within the nova project | 22:08 |
| romain_lenglet | so, what's the timeframe for the nova-related stuff: ipam and network refactoring? | 22:08 |
| romain_lenglet | still diablo? | 22:08 |
| dendrobates | troytoman: will it be a separate branch? | 22:08 |
| danwent | dendrobates: if we were in futurestack, is the idea that we would have separate projects within futurestack for quantum and donabe that would appear at the same level as something like atlas? | 22:08 |
| troytoman | dendrobates: working out that detail (repo, branch) etc. | 22:08 |
| dendrobates | danwent: yes | 22:08 |
| dendrobates | romain_lenglet: since Diablo was extended to 6 months, I would hope so. | 22:09 |
| troytoman | romain_lenglet: yes. we probably need to land the refactoring in an early milestone thought | 22:09 |
| danwent | I probably have a slight preference for using futurestack if it makes it easier for other people to see what we are doing. | 22:09 |
| troytoman | ^though | 22:09 |
| uvirtbot | troytoman: Error: "though" is not a valid command. | 22:09 |
| dendrobates | danwent: I am not sure that it does | 22:09 |
| dendrobates | and we can share some resources between us if we use our own project group | 22:10 |
| salv-orlando | if melange stays is nova, I think there is no much sense in having Network-Service as a project group | 22:10 |
| danwent | dendrobates: I don't feel strongly here. | 22:10 |
| salv-orlando | as melange will not be in it | 22:10 |
| adjohn | It would also be a better fit for donabe, as it will include non-networking stuff eventually | 22:11 |
| danwent | I see, does future stack mean we wouldn't have our own bug system, etc? | 22:11 |
| AlexNeef | I would imagine melange will have a lot of interaction with quantum right? | 22:11 |
| dendrobates | salv-orlando: that is a good point, but I don;t want to cede IPAM without discussing it more | 22:11 |
| adjohn | danwent: each repo has it's own system | 22:11 |
| AlexNeef | as would donabe - we really want to keep the source close | 22:11 |
| salv-orlando | dendrobates: agreed | 22:11 |
| dendrobates | quantum and donabe will be tightly coupled | 22:11 |
| danwent | adjohn: ok, thanks. | 22:11 |
| dendrobates | anyway, we are not locked in to any decision | 22:12 |
| markvoelker | danwent dendrobates: Agreed....Quantum/Donabe/etc are more inter-related than, say, Atlas and RedDwarf. Might make sense to have them in a separate "container" rather than added in to FutureStack. But I also don't feel strongly. | 22:12 |
| carlp_ | To be honest, even though Melange won't be in it I like the idea of having a rallying point for all network stuff. This should make it easier for others to contribute ideas without everyone working in the dark. | 22:12 |
| salv-orlando | carlp_: +1 | 22:12 |
| ramd | Having a network-service help as we add more network related services | 22:12 |
| AlexNeef | carlp_: +1 | 22:12 |
| dendrobates | I expect the networking services to be added all the time | 22:12 |
| troytoman | I think there is value in keeping a network focused project | 22:12 |
| markvoelker | dendrobates: +1 | 22:12 |
| troytoman | there is a lot to sort out there and a focused group is important. look what we were able to do in 1 week | 22:13 |
| danwent | sounds like consensus for a separate project? | 22:13 |
| dendrobates | ok, it seems we have a consensus, anyone strongly disagree | 22:13 |
| adjohn | +1 | 22:13 |
| AlexNeef | can you sumarize the consensus | 22:13 |
| dendrobates | +1 | 22:13 |
| somikbehera | I agree on a focussed group. +1 | 22:13 |
| ramd | +1 | 22:13 |
| markvoelker | +1 | 22:13 |
| romain_lenglet | +1 | 22:13 |
| dendrobates | That we will have a project group named Network services where we can put network services | 22:13 |
| danwent | proposed consensus is that we will have a separate lp 'network-service' group, as rick already created, rather than use futurestack. | 22:14 |
| AlexNeef | great +1 | 22:14 |
| dendrobates | I created it as a project, the LP admins will have to change it to a group | 22:14 |
| danwent | got it. | 22:14 |
| AlexNeef | sorry if this is basic, but can you explain difference between project and group | 22:14 |
| danwent | I have much to learn about launchpad, i see :) | 22:14 |
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| danwent | AlexNeef : +1 | 22:15 |
| adjohn | AlexNeef: groups can have sub projects | 22:15 |
| dendrobates | #action change network services to a group and create projects under it | 22:15 |
| dendrobates | #topic admin team | 22:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "admin team" | 22:15 | |
| adjohn | openstack is a group for example, nova is a project | 22:15 |
| dendrobates | we need to create a basic team to own the resources | 22:15 |
| dendrobates | I suggest we try to have one person from each group involved on the team | 22:16 |
| danwent | "group" ? | 22:16 |
| somikbehera | Are all others ready to seed a team today or we should wait till next week. | 22:16 |
| dendrobates | company | 22:16 |
| romain_lenglet | dendrobates: are you suggesting one team for the whole network service project? | 22:17 |
| dendrobates | this is not for development, just for ownership of the LP resources | 22:17 |
| ramd | I volunteer BTW what is the admin role | 22:17 |
| romain_lenglet | I volunteer too | 22:17 |
| dendrobates | romain_lenglet: we can have many teams | 22:17 |
| romain_lenglet | ok | 22:18 |
| dendrobates | this team is mostly about Launchpad maintainance | 22:18 |
| danwent | can we talk more about what resources need to be owned? | 22:18 |
| somikbehera | what are the responsibilities of this group? | 22:18 |
| dendrobates | the admins can edit the text of the project group, add new projects, and maybe a few other things | 22:18 |
| dendrobates | We will also need to create drivers | 22:19 |
| danwent | "drivers"? | 22:19 |
| danwent | is that a launchpad term? | 22:19 |
| dendrobates | drivers are responsible for approving blueprints and setting milestones and releases | 22:19 |
| somikbehera | you mean project drivers not the "drivers" ;) | 22:19 |
| dendrobates | yes | 22:19 |
| salv-orlando | do we need a "network-service-core" team as well? | 22:20 |
| AlexNeef | i see in futurestack it's the same group | 22:20 |
| dendrobates | it can be if we want | 22:20 |
| AlexNeef | and the group can be as large as we want or there is a limitation? | 22:20 |
| dendrobates | we can also decide if we want separate or combined dev teams | 22:20 |
| dendrobates | it can be as large as we want | 22:21 |
| danwent | What I want to avoid is putting together some kind of structure just based on people volunteering vs. people contributing code :) | 22:21 |
| dendrobates | we can also just let openstack-admins own our project group | 22:21 |
| danwent | I think we have a rough outline of the blueprints we want to do from the summit and hopefully we can work together to refine the details. | 22:21 |
| dendrobates | danwent: I agree | 22:22 |
| dendrobates | we do have some things to setup, that have to have owners and maintainers | 22:22 |
| dendrobates | I want it to be owned by the group and not a single individual | 22:22 |
| ramd | dendrobates: agree | 22:23 |
| dendrobates | we can always add and subtract from the group later | 22:23 |
| dendrobates | I probably have the most LP knowledge because isetup a lot of the openstack groups and process. | 22:23 |
| danwent | Ok. I prefer to keep things as "flat" as possible for now. I think as people contribute real time and energy, work with each other and gain respect, etc. leadership will naturally emerge. | 22:24 |
| salv-orlando | and in your knowledge we trust :-) | 22:24 |
| danwent | I'm fine with rick running things for LP for now.... he's a good guy :) | 22:24 |
| somikbehera | +1 ;) | 22:24 |
| troytoman | +1 | 22:24 |
| ramd | salv-orlando: +1 | 22:24 |
| dendrobates | I would in the least like to create an admin team and add myself and Dan. | 22:25 |
| danwent | Or not me... I don't want this to look like anyone is "grabbing" anything. | 22:25 |
| dendrobates | Just in case I get hit by a bus | 22:25 |
| danwent | Rick at least has a history in the community. | 22:25 |
| AlexNeef | I think you should add dan and others that are leading the sub-projects | 22:26 |
| troytoman | danwent: more like volunteering you for more work ;) | 22:26 |
| somikbehera | we do need Fault tolerance | 22:26 |
| danwent | I'm fine either way. | 22:26 |
| dendrobates | it is both fault tolerance and volunteering. :) | 22:26 |
| salv-orlando | somikbehera: for that we would need an admin in each continent to have 24/7 presence! | 22:26 |
| danwent | ok. i need to run to another meeting soon. other topics? | 22:27 |
| dendrobates | #topic next meeting | 22:27 |
| danwent | just want to give people a heads up that I have started adding blueprints along the lines of what we outlined on friday. | 22:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "next meeting" | 22:27 | |
| dendrobates | i think we should come to the next meeting prepared to discuss dev process and assignments | 22:27 |
| danwent | my goal is to have drafts up in advance of the next meeting so people can voice concerns and talk about what they want to work on. | 22:27 |
| dendrobates | ditto | 22:28 |
| carlp_ | sounds good | 22:28 |
| danwent | definitely want to keep the momentum going | 22:28 |
| somikbehera | agreed. | 22:28 |
| dendrobates | has everyone seen the wiki page I created? | 22:28 |
| dendrobates | http://wiki.openstack.org/Network/ | 22:28 |
| troytoman | I have also started creating blueprints for melange and updating the the wiki with links | 22:28 |
| ramd | Adding few more BP palceholders as we speak | 22:28 |
| dendrobates | we can start adding info to the wiki | 22:29 |
| dendrobates | and there is a header with a link to a meeting agenda that we can all modify | 22:29 |
| danwent | great. | 22:29 |
| dendrobates | I will start all the LP magic. | 22:30 |
| dendrobates | Please use the wiki as much as possible | 22:30 |
| somikbehera | thanks dendrobates - the wiki is a good start to get everything ready for next week. | 22:30 |
| salv-orlando | dan, which are the names for the blueprints you have registered? I can find the melange ones, but not the quantum blueprints | 22:30 |
| dendrobates | We can let danwent get to his meeting now. | 22:30 |
| dendrobates | Thanks for coming everyone, I am very excited to get to work. | 22:30 |
| danwent | do you guys see blueprints here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/network-service | 22:31 |
| somikbehera | likewise! | 22:31 |
| danwent | perhaps its a permissions thing? Or i am putting them in the wrong place? | 22:31 |
| carlp_ | danwent: yep | 22:31 |
| danwent | quantum-api | 22:31 |
| dendrobates | I see them | 22:31 |
| danwent | is an example name | 22:31 |
| danwent | not done yet.... was just creating some during the main OS meeting :) | 22:31 |
| dendrobates | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/network-service/+addspec | 22:31 |
| ramd | I see them | 22:32 |
| dendrobates | that is the link to add a blueprint to network-service | 22:32 |
| danwent | ok. thanks guys. need to run. talk to you next week. | 22:32 |
| dendrobates | #endmeeting | 22:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openstack Meetings: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/" | 22:32 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 3 22:32:29 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-05-03-22.02.html | 22:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-05-03-22.02.txt | 22:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-05-03-22.02.log.html | 22:32 |
| dendrobates | thanks again everyone | 22:32 |
| salv-orlando | thanks and have a nice day/evening/night | 22:32 |
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| romain_lenglet | thanks! | 22:33 |
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