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| soren | o/ | 21:00 |
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| soren | Err... | 21:00 |
| soren | Hello? | 21:01 |
| ttx | \o | 21:01 |
| Tv | internet high five | 21:01 |
| dabo | \o | 21:01 |
| ttx | vishy, notmyname: around ? | 21:01 |
| glenc | \o | 21:01 |
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| ttx | anyone standing in for jaypipes on Glance ? | 21:01 |
| vishy | hi | 21:01 |
| notmyname | indeed | 21:01 |
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| alekibango | \o | 21:02 |
| ttx | PTLs: in the future, if you can't make the meeting, just delegate and add your replacement to http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | 21:02 |
| ttx | ok, let's get started | 21:02 |
| ttx | #startmeeting | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 17 21:02:40 2011 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 21:02 |
| ttx | Welcome everyone to our traditional weekly OpenStack meeting... | 21:02 |
| ttx | Today's agenda: | 21:03 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | 21:03 |
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| ttx | #topic Actions from previous meeting | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from previous meeting" | 21:03 | |
| ttx | * KnightHacker, zns to get the nobottle branch merged asap | 21:03 |
| ttx | (whatever that is) -- any news ? | 21:03 |
| westmaas | don't think they are here, but looking at keystone there was an update that removed nobottle | 21:04 |
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| westmaas | (hardly official though) | 21:04 |
| westmaas | er, that removed bottle, haha | 21:04 |
| ttx | dunno if that unblocks whoever was blocked by this (jaypipes iirc) | 21:05 |
| ttx | #action jaypipes to confirm the nobottle unblocking | 21:05 |
| ttx | * antonym to make agreed channel split happen | 21:05 |
| ttx | I think we can consider that one DONE, too | 21:05 |
| ttx | is the split working well for everyone ? | 21:06 |
| westmaas | I know vishy was asking about logging for this channel, not sure if that happened? | 21:06 |
| notmyname | we may need to get some other bots moved | 21:06 |
| vishy | (i was asking for dev, but yes) | 21:06 |
| notmyname | uvirtbot? | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | cool. just happened | 21:06 |
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| vishy | westmass: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/ | 21:07 |
| soren | Just joined it to the channel and tested it. | 21:07 |
| vishy | er westmaas: ^^ | 21:07 |
| ttx | looks like we are all set. | 21:07 |
| primeministerp1 | hi all | 21:07 |
| ttx | #topic General release status | 21:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "General release status" | 21:07 | |
| ttx | I'm free from conferences now, so I can focus on the Diablo plans | 21:07 |
| ttx | I refreshed http://wiki.openstack.org/releasestatus/ for Diablo | 21:08 |
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| ttx | But that still need to be rethought so that it's more milestone-oriented | 21:08 |
| primeministerp1 | hey all was wondering what the current direction of openstack on hyperv is? Is there anyone or any group currently contributing? | 21:08 |
| ttx | Also the http://wiki.openstack.org/reviewslist/ now takes the diablo plan into consideration | 21:08 |
| ttx | primeministerp1: please wait for open discussion to raise random topics | 21:09 |
| primeministerp1 | whoops sorry | 21:09 |
| ttx | #topic Nova status | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Nova status" | 21:09 | |
| ttx | The Diablo plan is pretty well defined now at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/diablo | 21:09 |
| ttx | I have a few issues with it, just talked to vishy and we'll resolve them soon. | 21:09 |
| ttx | There was also IMO too much work targeted at diablo-1 (which closes in two weeks), but I see now that a few specs were deferred | 21:10 |
| ttx | so if you have specs targeted to diablo-1 in https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/diablo-1 that you know won't make it, please let him/me now | 21:10 |
| ttx | Quick diablo-1/essential status update: | 21:11 |
| ttx | westmaas (or someone else at Titan): progress on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/integrate-nova-authn ? | 21:11 |
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| ttx | tr3buchet: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nova-multi-nic is marked on track, any comment ? | 21:12 |
| westmaas | ttx: first step is pretty simple but no new code on it yet | 21:12 |
| tr3buchet | ttx: on track! | 21:12 |
| westmaas | ttx: but planning done and ready to go | 21:13 |
| ttx | westmaas: ok :) | 21:13 |
| ttx | tr3buchet: thanks ! | 21:13 |
| ttx | others: please check https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/diablo-1 and update status if needed | 21:13 |
| ttx | vishy: anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:13 |
| vishy | ttx: just request for the blueprints that don't have anyone assigned | 21:14 |
| ttx | oh right | 21:14 |
| vishy | ttx: but I think it would be best on the ml as well | 21:14 |
| ttx | We have 3 essential blueprints without an assignee yet | 21:14 |
| ttx | #action ttx to crosspost assignee search to ML | 21:15 |
| vishy | (and 4 Highs) | 21:15 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/admin-account-actions | 21:15 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/ec2-id-compatibilty | 21:15 |
| ttx | and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/implement-volume-api (though vishy is trying to see if Justin would take it) | 21:15 |
| ttx | does any group/individual claim any of those ? | 21:16 |
| glenc | the admin account actions is targeted for diablo-4 | 21:17 |
| ttx | indeed, but having in the plan a feature that is essential means "we will delay diablo release to get that one in", so it should have an assignee that is committed to delivering it | 21:17 |
| ttx | or it shouldn't be essential. | 21:18 |
| westmaas | I suspect titan will do it, but titan or ozone will make sure it gets in. | 21:18 |
| glenc | I concur | 21:18 |
| westmaas | pvo: agree? | 21:18 |
| troytoman | one of the rackspace teams will make sure we get this done | 21:19 |
| ttx | westmaas: we could tentatively assign Totan, and feel free to reassign to Ozone :) | 21:19 |
| westmaas | ttx: sounds good | 21:19 |
| ttx | ok, will do | 21:19 |
| ttx | Questions for the Nova PTL ? | 21:19 |
| primeministerp1 | open questions? | 21:20 |
| ttx | primeministerp1: potentially :) | 21:20 |
| primeministerp1 | hehe, I'll shoot then | 21:20 |
| Vek | primeministerp1: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings <-- meeting agenda, btw; we're in the "nova" part | 21:20 |
| primeministerp1 | great I have questions on nova on hyperv | 21:21 |
| primeministerp1 | we currently work in the novl/mfst interop lab | 21:21 |
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| primeministerp1 | we have an immediate need to use openstack on hyperv and can probably substancial resources to qa | 21:21 |
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| primeministerp1 | once we finish getting it up and running | 21:21 |
| primeministerp1 | is there anyone using openstack on hyperv in the real world? | 21:22 |
| ttx | primeministerp1: those who contributed the code used to test it, but we coudl definitely use something more connected to the current code | 21:22 |
| primeministerp1 | is there anyone currently contributing ? | 21:22 |
| primeministerp1 | that being said | 21:22 |
| primeministerp1 | we would love to get hooked into the nightly build process for us to test | 21:23 |
| ttx | mtaylor: ^ | 21:23 |
| primeministerp1 | and help progress the hyperv code | 21:23 |
| soren | mtaylor: Å | 21:23 |
| soren | Whoops :) | 21:23 |
| vishy | primeministerp1: yes we could really use someone taking over maintenence of hyperv | 21:23 |
| vishy | because no one is really testing/using it in production afaik | 21:23 |
| ttx | primeministerp1: and a nice test rig hooked up into our Jenkins QA | 21:23 |
| soren | Heck, it doesn't even have to be nice! | 21:24 |
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| ttx | primeministerp1: you need to connect with mtaylor | 21:24 |
| primeministerp1 | we would love to take over maint but right now we don't have the dev resources | 21:24 |
| primeministerp1 | we can contribute machines running hyperv | 21:25 |
| primeministerp1 | and potentially about 100 of them | 21:25 |
| primeministerp1 | w/ san etc | 21:25 |
| ttx | primeministerp1: knowing how it's broken would already help :) | 21:25 |
| primeministerp1 | well we almost have all the bits up and running now | 21:25 |
| ttx | primeministerp1: we'll take that off-meeting, but your offer is definitely appreciated | 21:25 |
| johnpur | ttx: i gave him my contact info | 21:26 |
| primeministerp1 | is it possible to have someone contact me directly? | 21:26 |
| primeministerp1 | great | 21:26 |
| ttx | #topic Glance status | 21:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Glance status" | 21:26 | |
| notmyname | If there are no objections, can we do swift status next? I need to leave the meeting a little early | 21:26 |
| soren | wait! | 21:26 |
| ttx | oops | 21:26 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:26 |
| soren | One more thing for nova. Should be quick, i think: | 21:26 |
| ttx | ok, ok | 21:26 |
| soren | While setting up the Jenkins magic for python-novaclient, I noticed that Jacobian has renamed his python-cloudservers (on which python-novaclient is based) to python-openstack.compute. What is the current story here? Is there any reason for divergence at this point? | 21:27 |
| soren | jk0: ^ perhaps? | 21:27 |
| ttx | soren: yep, noticed that as well, looking into it is in slot 45 of my ever-expanding todo list. | 21:27 |
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| soren | We need to deal with it *somehow*. | 21:28 |
| ttx | soren: maybe push that to the ML for discussion | 21:28 |
| soren | It's not entirely unlikely that the "nova" python namespace would be renamed "openstack.compute", and then we're screwed. | 21:28 |
| jk0 | soren: I'm not entirely up to speed on that | 21:29 |
| soren | Ok. | 21:29 |
| jk0 | I'd say ML + getting Jacobian involved | 21:29 |
| jk0 | he's been very hard to get in touch with | 21:29 |
| ttx | soren: ok, raise a thread, then people can research the problem and reply accordingly. | 21:29 |
| sandywalsh | my understanding is he just added the url parameter for connecting to openstack. Our branch has lots of new OS API features in it | 21:29 |
| soren | There seems to be little point in divergence. Keeping it close means it's guaranteed to be up-to-date. Keeping it external keeps us honest. | 21:29 |
| soren | Ok. | 21:30 |
| sandywalsh | that said, the more we mess with the client library it's becoming evident we should investigate a new one ... that one is pretty chatty | 21:30 |
| sandywalsh | perhaps Titan has some ideas? | 21:30 |
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| ttx | sandywalsh, soren: sounds like a good ML thread. Can I switch to Glance^WSwift ? | 21:31 |
| sandywalsh | yes | 21:31 |
| soren | ttx: No objections from me. | 21:31 |
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| ttx | #action soren to raise a thread on the python-openstack.compute jacobian situation | 21:31 |
| ttx | #topic Swift status | 21:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Swift status" | 21:31 | |
| ttx | The Swift plan is at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/swift/diablo | 21:32 |
| ttx | The first milestone will be 1.4.0, on May 31 | 21:32 |
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| ttx | with up-to-date plan @ https://launchpad.net/swift/+milestone/1.4.0 | 21:32 |
| ttx | notmyname: any other announcements or comments ? | 21:32 |
| ttx | (plan looks good and on track, fwiw) | 21:33 |
| notmyname | I think that's mostly it. 1.4.1 will be the next milestone, but the date is currently undefined | 21:33 |
| ttx | Questions for the Swift team ? | 21:33 |
| soren | Just one. | 21:33 |
| soren | Just to make sure... 1.4.1's date not being defined suggests you're not doing time based releases :) Do you have plans to do something differently for the final release of 2011.3? | 21:34 |
| notmyname | is that the diablo release? | 21:35 |
| ttx | 2011.3 will contain whatever the last milestone will be... | 21:35 |
| soren | Or is that just going to be "whatever the most recent swift release happens to be"? | 21:35 |
| notmyname | yes | 21:35 |
| soren | Ok. | 21:35 |
| soren | That's all. | 21:35 |
| notmyname | actually, it will probably be 1.5.0 for ease of use | 21:35 |
| ttx | though I'd welcome a more pre-defined plan that clearly shows it's time-based :) | 21:35 |
| johnpur | ttx: agree | 21:35 |
| creiht | ttx: release will only be when it is done done ;) | 21:36 |
| ttx | johnpur: discussions ongoing, we'll (ab)use the PPB meeting for that | 21:36 |
| soren | notmyname: That seems a bit silly to me. | 21:36 |
| ttx | soren: the 1.5.0 name ? | 21:36 |
| soren | notmyname: Yes. | 21:36 |
| soren | notmyname: If you're actually bumping the version for the openstack release, why can't just just adopt the openstack versioning? | 21:36 |
| alekibango | creiht: +1 :) | 21:37 |
| creiht | soren: because the openstack version is a bit silly to me :) | 21:37 |
| creiht | but I'm not on the swift team, so I don't speak officially for them :) | 21:37 |
| soren | Then why don't we have the discussion instead of people inventing their own random policies? | 21:38 |
| notmyname | soren: there is no final decision on what the diablo swift version number is | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | we are fine with either the last version number before the diablo date or bumping the minor version number | 21:39 |
| soren | If you were doing 1.4 soon, 1.5 a month later, and just kept going with 1.X for eternity, that would make more sense. If you're actually following the same pattern as openstack, but just insist on a different number, that's just silly. | 21:39 |
| soren | What could possibly be the purpose of that? | 21:39 |
| ttx | last version number would work | 21:40 |
| creiht | soren: how about we make are arguments and let them stand on their own, rather than being childish and calling things silly? | 21:40 |
| soren | Having been involved in the release process a couple of times, there's plenty of stuff to be confusing without having to translate arbitrary version numbers into less arbitrary ones. | 21:40 |
| ttx | soren: I plan to just use the last milestone. No buming | 21:41 |
| ttx | bumping | 21:41 |
| notmyname | sounds good to us | 21:41 |
| soren | ttx: Are you the one who'd do the bumping? | 21:41 |
| soren | I thought that was outside your realm of power :) | 21:41 |
| ttx | soren: which bumping ? I just take the last released milestone and include it in the announcement | 21:42 |
| soren | ttx: You said "no bumping". Which bumping were *you* referring to? | 21:42 |
| notmyname | I think we're in agreement. no need to keep going with this | 21:43 |
| soren | I was just about to say :) | 21:43 |
| ttx | soren: I was referring to taking the last milestone and rename it to 1.5.0 | 21:43 |
| ttx | this is not needed | 21:43 |
| notmyname | next version of swift is 1.4.0. next version of swift in diablo is the version of the last stable release before diablo | 21:43 |
| notmyname | done | 21:43 |
| alekibango | +1 notmyname | 21:44 |
| ttx | though I still need to wrap my head around what we do if a critical bug kis found in that last milestone | 21:44 |
| ttx | but that's the discussion for anither day | 21:44 |
| ttx | another, even. | 21:44 |
| ttx | ok to switch to Glance ? | 21:45 |
| notmyname | I don't have anything else | 21:45 |
| soren | go for it. | 21:45 |
| ttx | #topic Glance status | 21:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Glance status" | 21:46 | |
| ttx | no jaypipes, is anyone representing Glance ? | 21:46 |
| ttx | Current plan at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/diablo looks good to me | 21:46 |
| bcwaldon | I can probably answer questions | 21:46 |
| ttx | First milestone is diablo-1 (Jun 2), 3 specs all at Review stage, also looks good | 21:46 |
| alekibango | glance needs auth asap :) | 21:46 |
| ttx | bcwaldon: announcements, comments ? | 21:46 |
| bcwaldon | I don't have anything, everything is going great for diablo-1 | 21:47 |
| ttx | alekibango: auth is planned for diablo-2 | 21:47 |
| bcwaldon | yes, was just about to look that up | 21:47 |
| ttx | Any other Glance question ? | 21:50 |
| ttx | if not... | 21:50 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion" | 21:50 | |
| ttx | anything/anyone ? | 21:50 |
| johan___ | is jenkins broken? | 21:51 |
| alekibango | ttx: thanks -- it should be sooner :/ | 21:51 |
| dendrobates | I have something | 21:51 |
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| dendrobates | someone on the networking project raised the possibility of webex calls | 21:52 |
| dendrobates | they would be open to all and recorded | 21:52 |
| soren | I'm not entirely sure I know what a webex call is. | 21:52 |
| dendrobates | how does everyone feel about that with regards to openness? | 21:52 |
| dendrobates | conference call | 21:52 |
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| soren | Regular conference call with POTS dial in? | 21:53 |
| ttx | dendrobates: you mean use webex calls as part of our toolkit ? or replace IRC meetings with webex calls ? | 21:53 |
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| dendrobates | basically if the network project used them | 21:53 |
| alekibango | dendrobates: i think we could just use mumble... it is free software... unlike nonfree service | 21:53 |
| glenc | webex also has shared desktop and whiteboard features | 21:53 |
| glenc | just FYI | 21:54 |
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| Tv | I'd like to talk about Melange (networking IP address etc discovery) | 21:54 |
| ttx | webex is good when you have slides to share :) | 21:54 |
| alekibango | ic | 21:54 |
| alekibango | mumble is only voip | 21:54 |
| alekibango | but very good | 21:54 |
| ttx | though last time I used it it's a while ago, and it was windows-centric | 21:54 |
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| dendrobates | it's about the format more than the tool | 21:54 |
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| dendrobates | you can't easily search a recording | 21:55 |
| soren | I think it's a step down compared to IRC. | 21:55 |
| glenc | eh, there's a mac client | 21:55 |
| alekibango | dendrobates: open to all means no registration required? | 21:55 |
| salv-orlando | I like the desktop sharing idea, but I'll miss browsing the chat logs using CTRL+F | 21:55 |
| soren | For exactly the searchability reasons. | 21:55 |
| soren | ...but it's good enough, I think. | 21:55 |
| glenc | You can set up meetings with no security - open to anyone | 21:55 |
| dendrobates | alekibango: yes, just a phone number you can call | 21:55 |
| alekibango | dendrobates: i like using my headset... :) | 21:56 |
| alekibango | with software | 21:56 |
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| alekibango | phones are evil a lot | 21:56 |
| jk0 | can you mute everyone but the chair? I have a feeling we'd here a lot of breathing into the mics | 21:56 |
| alekibango | jk0: i can in mumble | 21:56 |
| ttx | dendrobates: I think it shouldn't replace IRC meetings. It could be used as an exceptional complement when higher bandwidth is needed | 21:56 |
| alekibango | and it can take thousands people, rooms like irc | 21:56 |
| dendrobates | ttx: thanks | 21:56 |
| ttx | jk0: you can mute everyone but the speaker, yes | 21:56 |
| Tv | Melange stuff, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/melange-address-discovery -- I'm looking for the right people to talk to about plugging into Nova to do a DHCP etc service that talks to the IPAM service for it's answers. | 21:56 |
| alekibango | jk0: its possible to split people into active and pasive participants.... | 21:57 |
| jk0 | fair enough :) | 21:57 |
| alekibango | and move them all the time | 21:57 |
| Tv | Code is easy, figuring out how to fit into Openstack architecture in a way that will be acceptable is harder.. | 21:57 |
| jk0 | I think we've all been on those calls where people forget to mute themselves | 21:57 |
| alekibango | jk0: if you will install the client, you can talk to me on my mumble server :) | 21:57 |
| jk0 | I'll have to check i tout | 21:58 |
| ttx | Tv: looks like a duplicate for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/implement-network-api | 21:58 |
| ttx | vishy: ^ | 21:58 |
| ttx | Tv: or is one quantum-related and the other melange-related ? | 21:59 |
| salv-orlando | We need to make sure that if we use a tool different from IRC, it will scale as well as IRC. I.e.: allows audio-video streaming for a number of people like the ones in this room | 21:59 |
| danwent | we need to rework some of the nova blueprints now that we have a better idea of what quantum & melange need | 21:59 |
| Tv | ttx: What I'm doing is supposed to be Melange-related, independent of Quantum | 21:59 |
| Tv | ttx: but i'm still new enough to openstack internals that i may be confused ;) | 21:59 |
| vishy | ttx: there has been discussion about keeping melange inside of nova for now | 21:59 |
| danwent | ttx: that blueprint is probably more quantum related. | 21:59 |
| troytoman | tv: it's related to the overall refactoring of networking | 22:00 |
| ttx | vishy: oh, I see. | 22:00 |
| Tv | yeah i want to work on the "just this one little thing" version, not the "rewrite everything" version ;) | 22:00 |
| vishy | so the mlange plueprints are still in nova as well... | 22:00 |
| ttx | We should close the meeting now, feel free to continue to chat on #openstack-dev | 22:00 |
| Tv | basically, replace dnsmasq with something that uses a centralized database of address allocations | 22:00 |
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| Tv | and i'm looking for the right people to coordinate with, not knowing you bunch yet | 22:01 |
| vishy | Tv: maybe troy | 22:01 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 17 22:01:21 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-05-17-21.02.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-05-17-21.02.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-05-17-21.02.log.html | 22:01 |
| soren | dnsmasq can use a centralised db with a little work. | 22:01 |
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| Tv | soren: dnsmasq is pretty horrible on the inside, though.. and my stated goal includes IPv6. | 22:01 |
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| vishy | Tv: troy toman is sort of heading up the melange stuff | 22:02 |
| Tv | vishy: yup, i've talked to him | 22:02 |
| soren | Tv: So Melange includes a new dhcp server? | 22:03 |
| Tv | anyway, i just wanted to be opportunistical in case someone in the audience was interested | 22:03 |
| troytoman | soren: our goal is to make it pluggable so that alternatives can be easily used | 22:03 |
| Tv | soren: that looks like a fairly easy way forward, actually; scapy makes writing one pretty easy, and not having to deal with anything but vms drops decades of baggage | 22:03 |
| vishy | tv: I did most of the code that currently lives in nova | 22:03 |
| Tv | oh hey troy! | 22:03 |
| Tv | move this to #openstack-dev? | 22:04 |
| vishy | tv: sure | 22:04 |
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| troytoman | dendrobates: are we having the network meeting now? | 22:04 |
| dendrobates | a short one I think | 22:05 |
| somikbehera | great, lets get started! | 22:05 |
| dendrobates | several people said they could not attend | 22:05 |
| danwent | yeah, i want to give a quick update on some quantum stuff | 22:05 |
| danwent | other agenda items? | 22:05 |
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| dendrobates | I have a quick update | 22:05 |
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| dendrobates | i can do it at the end | 22:06 |
| danwent | ok. do you need to "open" the meeting to start recording? | 22:06 |
| dendrobates | #startmeeting | 22:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 17 22:06:28 2011 UTC. The chair is dendrobates. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 22:06 |
| dendrobates | #topic quantum | 22:06 |
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| danwent | thx | 22:06 |
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| danwent | Ok, Salvatore is doing a great job driving the API work | 22:06 |
| danwent | comments on the api on etherpad: http://etherpad.openstack.org/PbTpgXnnZZ | 22:07 |
| danwent | Salvatore, do you have anything to add? | 22:07 |
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| salv-orlando | Just updated the etherpad. Apologies for vestigial stuff left in the API spec. | 22:07 |
| salv-orlando | I'm updating it right now. | 22:07 |
| salv-orlando | We might spend some time discussing Alex's proposals and comment. | 22:08 |
| salv-orlando | Is Alex on the call? | 22:08 |
| danwent | no | 22:08 |
| danwent | he's flying right now | 22:08 |
| danwent | maybe just take those to the etherpad for discussion? | 22:08 |
| danwent | What were the main points? was "status" of a logical port one issue? | 22:08 |
| salv-orlando | 1) port status | 22:08 |
| salv-orlando | 2) interface URLs | 22:09 |
| salv-orlando | which needed more explanation | 22:09 |
| danwent | ah yes, and port "capabilities" | 22:09 |
| salv-orlando | 3) Port capabilities | 22:09 |
| salv-orlando | right | 22:09 |
| danwent | Ok. Given that I think we need more input from Alex on these, let's try to have that discussion on the etherpad. | 22:09 |
| salv-orlando | Agreed. | 22:10 |
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| danwent | salv-orlando, is there anything holding you up from making progress in the mean time? | 22:10 |
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| salv-orlando | No, I'm currently starting work on API implementation | 22:10 |
| danwent | awesome. | 22:10 |
| somikbehera | salv-orlando: cant wait! | 22:10 |
| danwent | Next up, Somik has been working on adapting Troy's "starter-code" for quantum. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/network-service/+spec/quantum-project-framework | 22:11 |
| salv-orlando | I think there is agreement API will just be a pass-through for our first milestone, i.e.: No quantum db. | 22:11 |
| salv-orlando | Sorry Dan... | 22:11 |
| danwent | I think savlatore is looking at that branch as well, right? | 22:11 |
| danwent | np | 22:11 |
| salv-orlando | Yes, but I'm only a "follower" at the moment | 22:11 |
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| danwent | Key area's we're looking for people to step are are: | 22:12 |
| danwent | 1) API extensions framework | 22:12 |
| danwent | 2) API auth + keystone integration. | 22:12 |
| danwent | Ryu + Troy are taking a lead on the nova side of changes for the network code. | 22:12 |
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| dendrobates | I would like to help with that as well | 22:13 |
| danwent | dendrobates: the nova side changes? | 22:13 |
| dendrobates | danwent: yes | 22:13 |
| danwent | great. | 22:13 |
| troytoman | dendrobates: that would be great | 22:13 |
| danwent | I think we need to work on cleaning up the existing blueprints in the nova project and getting more detailed blueprints focused on dev tasks. | 22:13 |
| dendrobates | troytoman: is there a branch? | 22:13 |
| romain_lenglet | https://code.launchpad.net/~midokura/nova/network-service | 22:14 |
| danwent | I think there is some confusion on the nova end, given the different blueprints still in nova from before the summit. | 22:14 |
| troytoman | dendrobates: just the midokura branch. I think ryu is adapting it to work with multi-nic | 22:14 |
| dendrobates | thanks | 22:14 |
| ryu25 | I've been discussing the safest way to start the Nova changes with the core devs, and will create a branch for that | 22:14 |
| troytoman | we're trying to get multi-nic in, then the network-service branch and we can look at extending from that base | 22:15 |
| danwent | sounds good. | 22:15 |
| dendrobates | is multi-nic proposed for merge? | 22:15 |
| dendrobates | nm, I'll look | 22:16 |
| troytoman | we're close | 22:16 |
| troytoman | but I don't think it's merge-propped yet | 22:16 |
| danwent | that is all I had for quantum. Please let me know if you're interested in API extension + API auth work. I'd really like to get someone putting some thought into that side of things. | 22:16 |
| dendrobates | #topic donabe | 22:16 |
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| dendrobates | We are trying to get our legal ducks in a row at Cisco to start pushing code | 22:17 |
| dendrobates | As you can imagine we have to make sure that no one gets in trouble. but we are spinning up a couple of dev teams and expect to push soon | 22:18 |
| danwent | very cool | 22:18 |
| dendrobates | in the mean time we might have some of the devs help vish with unit tests and the like | 22:18 |
| dendrobates | #topic other stuff | 22:19 |
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| troytoman | updates on melange | 22:19 |
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| Tv | please skim: https://github.com/tv42/melange-discovery/blob/master/melange-discovery.rst | 22:19 |
| troytoman | we've started work on the base service: | 22:19 |
| troytoman | lp:~rajarammallya/network-service/melange_framework | 22:19 |
| Tv | i'd like to talk to people about the IPAM protocol, what data is transported etc | 22:19 |
| troytoman | I hope to be able to share a draft API later this week. we have the start of it but there are some things to clean up | 22:20 |
| troytoman | As tv alludes to, I think we need some work on overall flow though. | 22:21 |
| Tv | and i'd like to talk to somebody on the nova firewall side, what do they think about about MITM prevention etc | 22:21 |
| troytoman | how do we associate a quantum network with an IP block? Does Nova establish both and create the link? or do it through quantum? | 22:21 |
| dendrobates | Tv: I recommend soren | 22:21 |
| Tv | as in, if there's egress filtering the vm only uses the addresses its allowed to use, then the dhcp component needs to inform it, etc | 22:21 |
| carlp | troytoman: Did you plan on having Melange log all the uses of an IP over time to it's database. With the recent announcements of EC2 being used for bad things, it may be useful. | 22:21 |
| troytoman | carlp: we have not started logging yet. but, we can add that as a requirement. | 22:22 |
| danwent | tv: what MITM attack are you referring to specifically? | 22:23 |
| danwent | rogue DHCP? | 22:23 |
| danwent | or more general? | 22:23 |
| troytoman | should we set up an etherpad to jointly work through the flows between Nova/Quantum/Melange? | 22:23 |
| danwent | yeah, probably easier than trying to use IRC :) | 22:23 |
| carlp | troytoman: awesome. I have some ideas that may help with that, but I'll wait until we have some code before throwing them at you :) | 22:23 |
| Tv | danwent: rogue DHCP, ARP proxy, spoofed source, ... | 22:23 |
| dendrobates | troytoman: I think so. IRC is hard for this | 22:23 |
| danwent | let's move this to etherpad | 22:24 |
| dendrobates | is that all for melange? | 22:24 |
| troytoman | i think so | 22:25 |
| romain_lenglet | Tv: I think this is a Quantum problem, not a nova problem | 22:25 |
| Tv | danwent: the part that ties in with the DHCP most is the dynamic part; your vm should not be able to send packets as 10.0.0.3 outside of the time you hold a valid lease for that IP address | 22:25 |
| Tv | romain_lenglet: i think parts of it are irrevokably tied to current IPAM state | 22:25 |
| danwent | I see, you are talking about general spoofing filters. | 22:25 |
| Tv | yeah basically two things: 1. general MITM prevention 2. enforcing address allocation | 22:26 |
| danwent | a provider may or may not want to enforce such filters on a given interface. | 22:26 |
| Tv | 1. is nova or quantum, 2. is also nova or quantum but requires IPAM knowledge | 22:26 |
| romain_lenglet | Tv: both problems are Quantum problems | 22:26 |
| romain_lenglet | not nova | 22:26 |
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| Tv | the github url i pasted earlier talks about having the dhcp server notify local firewall how to update rules for #2 | 22:26 |
| romain_lenglet | agreed that it's tied to IPAM integration | 22:26 |
| Tv | romain_lenglet: i'm saying nova only because this thing is being pushed to happen faster than quantum, afaik ;) | 22:26 |
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| dendrobates | We need to make sure that everyone that submits code to any of these projects has signed the openstack CLA | 22:27 |
| danwent | let's make sure the flows we discuss includes an example of a spoofing filter. | 22:27 |
| dendrobates | if we want to become official projects | 22:27 |
| dendrobates | I am working with the infrastructure people to setup a testing environment and we will soon be checking CLA compliance at merge | 22:28 |
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| danwent | great | 22:28 |
| dendrobates | do we want to do this time and day every week? | 22:29 |
| troytoman | works for me | 22:29 |
| dendrobates | I'll update the wiki, if there are no objections | 22:29 |
| salv-orlando | works for me as well | 22:29 |
| somikbehera | +1 | 22:29 |
| danwent | still good for me | 22:29 |
| dendrobates | cool. I have a hard stop now. | 22:29 |
| danwent | nothing more from me. | 22:30 |
| salv-orlando | Ok, let's just circulate the etherpad link for joint melange-quantum-donabe discussion | 22:30 |
| danwent | someone please send out an etherpad for the IPAM discussion | 22:30 |
| danwent | :) | 22:30 |
| dendrobates | feel free to carry on, but I'll stop the recording now | 22:30 |
| dendrobates | #endmeeting | 22:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 17 22:30:33 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-05-17-22.06.html | 22:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-05-17-22.06.txt | 22:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-05-17-22.06.log.html | 22:30 |
| danwent | ok, talk to you all later! | 22:31 |
| salv-orlando | Bye guys... have good day/evening/night! | 22:31 |
| romain_lenglet | bye | 22:31 |
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| troytoman | can someone who knows how to create a readable etherpad name create one for the flows? | 22:31 |
| somikbehera | later everyone. | 22:31 |
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| vishy | trytoman: it is pretty easy, just type in the name in the url... etherpad.openstack.org/somenewname and it will ask if you want to create one there | 23:29 |
| vishy | troytoman: ^^ | 23:30 |
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