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| jaypipes | QA team meeting in 1 minute! | 15:59 |
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| nati | Yup! | 15:59 |
| jeblair | o/ | 15:59 |
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| westmaas | woo | 16:00 |
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| jaypipes | just waiting for daryll, gigi, and nayna | 16:00 |
| jaypipes | I pinged them on email... | 16:01 |
| * jaypipes still never updated the calendar :( | 16:01 | |
| westmaas | let me go poke daryl, I'm in SAT so I can do that today | 16:01 |
| jeblair | jaypipes: it's on the ics calendar | 16:01 |
| GavinB | Nayna is travelling and the timezone isn't friendly :) Not sure if she plans to make it this week | 16:02 |
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| dwalleck | Morning everyone | 16:02 |
| westmaas | not sure if gigi will make it either, I'd say we are good to start | 16:03 |
| rohitk | Hello everyone | 16:03 |
| jaypipes | alrighty... | 16:04 |
| jaypipes | #startmeeting | 16:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 26 16:04:06 2011 UTC. The chair is jaypipes. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 16:04 |
| jaypipes | http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#preview | 16:04 |
| jaypipes | http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/QATeamMeeting | 16:04 |
| jaypipes | #topic nati to give status on unit testing in Nova efforts | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nati to give status on unit testing in Nova efforts" | 16:04 | |
| jaypipes | nati: you're up :) | 16:04 |
| nati | Yes we moved to git | 16:04 |
| jaypipes | \o/ | 16:05 |
| nati | There are 100 bugs in my lab (japanese) I shoud translate and submit it to community in next week | 16:05 |
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| nati | and unit-test code | 16:05 |
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| nati | And I fixed assignee of the bugs | 16:06 |
| nati | That's all from me :) | 16:06 |
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| jaypipes | nati: that's a lot of work for just you! can you delegate part of them to another? | 16:06 |
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| nati | Ah it is ok :) | 16:06 |
| jaypipes | nati: alright :) | 16:06 |
| jaypipes | nati: how many bugs have been submitted to Nova so far from the QA team? | 16:07 |
| jaypipes | nati: and how many patches from those bugs have landed in trunk so far? | 16:07 |
| * jaypipes puts on Pointy-Hair-Boss hat... | 16:07 | |
| nati | I think about 40, and 4 patches. My team start working for patating | 16:07 |
| jaypipes | nati: patating? | 16:07 |
| nati | Currently they forcus on unit test writing | 16:07 |
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| nati | write patches (sorry typo) | 16:08 |
| jaypipes | ah, patching :) sorry | 16:08 |
| jaypipes | nati: OK, that's great progress. Are you working with vishy to target bugs to specific milestones? | 16:08 |
| nati | Ah, not yet | 16:08 |
| jaypipes | nati: OK, well how about you and I set aside an hour or so this afternoon to work on that with vishy? | 16:09 |
| nati | It sounds great.. but I have appointments on today's afternoon.. How about tommorow? | 16:10 |
| jaypipes | nati: that's fine too. I will ping you tomorrow. | 16:10 |
| nati | Thanks! | 16:10 |
| jaypipes | nati: alright, anything else to bring up on unit testing? | 16:10 |
| jaypipes | #action jaypipes and nati to work with vishy to target QA bugs to milestones on Friday | 16:11 |
| nati | Fryday? Not tommrow? | 16:11 |
| jaypipes | oh, crap, sorry, yes Thursday :) | 16:11 |
| nati | :) | 16:11 |
| jaypipes | #action jaypipes and nati to work with vishy to target QA bugs to milestones on Thursday | 16:11 |
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| jaypipes | OK then, moving on.... | 16:12 |
| jaypipes | #topic westmaas to give status update on integration tests | 16:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "westmaas to give status update on integration tests" | 16:12 | |
| westmaas | howdy! | 16:13 |
| westmaas | so we have started merging some small things into openstack-integration-tests to get to a point where they can run against an installation | 16:13 |
| dwalleck | westmaas is in San Antonio. Howdys are a necessity :) | 16:14 |
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| westmaas | good progress being made there although nothing supports keystone yet | 16:14 |
| nati | howdy! | 16:14 |
| westmaas | we also tried to distill the debate on the mailing list into a list of requirements so that we can make the right choice about how to write the tests | 16:15 |
| jaypipes | westmaas: good news. so, is there an action plan for bringing in the other main suites (backfire, zodiac and stacktester specifically?) | 16:15 |
| nati | Ah I created | 16:15 |
| nati | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ap9P99ymj9wLdEx2OEtyODNKOXpWODNObmpyR29LLUE#gid=0 | 16:15 |
| nati | Test list | 16:15 |
| jaypipes | westmaas: would it be best to assign each suite to an individual? or have one person do that? | 16:15 |
| nati | Sorry I misunderstand. You mean requirement to test frameworks. | 16:15 |
| westmaas | I was just writing up the email just before this but didn't quite get there - would you like to see what we have thus far here, or just save that for the list so the wider community can comment? | 16:16 |
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| westmaas | jaypipes: Yes, I like that from an analysis and then action point once we decide on the direction those should go | 16:16 |
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| jaypipes | westmaas: sure, please do share | 16:17 |
| westmaas | http://paste.openstack.org/show/2907/ | 16:18 |
| jaypipes | westmaas: gotcha. | 16:18 |
| jaypipes | westmaas: SSH verification for the white-box testing, right? not the black-box testing... | 16:18 |
| westmaas | just started writing so its very rough :) | 16:18 |
| jaypipes | westmaas: no worries, it's a start! | 16:18 |
| westmaas | jaypipes: no, you can ssh to an instance you create to make sure its actually up, it actually rebooted, etc | 16:19 |
| jaypipes | westmaas: ah, gotcha. | 16:19 |
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| westmaas | not ssh to control infrastructre | 16:19 |
| jaypipes | westmaas: yes, sorry, was thinking of SSH verification of compute states... | 16:19 |
| westmaas | yep | 16:19 |
| westmaas | will make that clear when I send it :) | 16:19 |
| jaypipes | westmaas: anyway, so what would be cool is to have an action plan for bringing in *one* of (zodiac, backfire, stacktester) using the principles outlined on your document. | 16:20 |
| dwalleck | I have zodiac pretty much ready to bring in. I can help westmaas with stacktester also | 16:20 |
| jaypipes | westmaas: it would be nice to pick one of those 3 suites and aim to have it ported into the main unifiied integration test project by next week (or two weeks?) | 16:20 |
| westmaas | yep, sounds good, daryl and I will work to propse an action plan with backing code for clarity | 16:20 |
| westmaas | next week should be fine | 16:21 |
| jaypipes | westmaas: I say let's get one good achievement first, then start on another suite... | 16:21 |
| jaypipes | westmaas: sounds like Zodiac would be a good one to start with? | 16:21 |
| wwkeyboard | The work will decrease considerably with each suite, due to the duplication. | 16:21 |
| westmaas | sure | 16:21 |
| jaypipes | westmaas: if you agree, I'll cook up a blueprint for it and target it... | 16:21 |
| westmaas | #agree | 16:21 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: 1 week or 2? :) | 16:22 |
| dwalleck | jaypipes: One week for this initial shot should be enough | 16:22 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: got it. | 16:22 |
| jaypipes | #action jaypipes to create blueprint for zodiac inclusion... target to next week. | 16:22 |
| jaypipes | westmaas: may we discuss the items under "potentially controversial"? | 16:23 |
| jaypipes | westmaas: I'd like to move those to "Non-controversial" if we can :) | 16:23 |
| westmaas | sure | 16:23 |
| westmaas | python is not contreversial I suppose | 16:24 |
| westmaas | so done | 16:24 |
| nati | #agree | 16:24 |
| westmaas | using novaclient vs non-novaclient vs some combination of both is potentially convtroversial | 16:24 |
| nati | non-novaclient is needed for irregular input test | 16:24 |
| westmaas | I am opposed to using only novaclient, because I am concerned about masking errors in the api | 16:25 |
| westmaas | nati: good point | 16:25 |
| nati | Yes | 16:25 |
| * jaypipes would prefer BOTH methods. | 16:25 | |
| westmaas | wwkeyboard suggested using novaclient for setup and teardown | 16:25 |
| jaypipes | novaclient + httplib2 straight calls. | 16:25 |
| nati | #agree | 16:25 |
| westmaas | jaypipes: to what degree though? | 16:25 |
| jaypipes | westmaas: sure, that's fine IMHO | 16:25 |
| jaypipes | westmaas: novaclient for setup is fine I think... | 16:26 |
| westmaas | do we repeat all tests using both methods? | 16:26 |
| dwalleck | I'm not sure how I feel about mixing novaclient and non-novaclient calls in the same test | 16:26 |
| jaypipes | westmaas: and then testing the API with both httplib2 calls and with novaclient. | 16:26 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: not in the same test, no. | 16:26 |
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| jaypipes | I was imagining two entirely different tests, one using an httplib2 client and the other using novaclient | 16:26 |
| jaypipes | or are we supposed to refer to it as openstack-client now? ;) | 16:27 |
| nati | Ideally, we should have both of novaclient and non-novaclient for a test senario | 16:27 |
| dwalleck | jaypipes: Gotcha. That's what I was imaging as well | 16:27 |
| wwkeyboard | jaypipes: I don't see what that buys us. | 16:27 |
| wwkeyboard | If we are just running the same API twice, it should work the same twice. | 16:27 |
| jaypipes | ok cool. so, westmaas looks like we can push that to non-controversial :) | 16:27 |
| dwalleck | I see the novaclient tests more as of testing novaclient itself. The non-client tests are really testing the API | 16:27 |
| wwkeyboard | I would rather spend the extra effort to making one suite more comprehensive. | 16:27 |
| GavinB | we need to have a tested server + novaclient combination | 16:27 |
| westmaas | and a thought I *just* had and so haven't decided if I like it yet is to use openstack-client for "smoke tests" to quickly check that the installation works, and that the client works with it | 16:28 |
| jaypipes | wwkeyboard: yes, but one test may identify bugs in novaclient, which are as important to identify as bugs in the straight HTTP interface IMHO | 16:28 |
| westmaas | and our detailed tests use httplib2 | 16:28 |
| donaldngo_hp | what about the python libraries? | 16:28 |
| westmaas | donaldngo_hp: yes, that's what we really mean, not using it from the console | 16:28 |
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| jaypipes | donaldngo_hp: httplib2 and novalicent are both the python libs :) | 16:28 |
| GavinB | cli/lib + server incompatibility is bad for customers | 16:29 |
| rohitk | we could use httplib2 for tests novaclient cannot reach, after identifying them | 16:29 |
| nati | httplib2 looks very stable | 16:29 |
| rohitk | most tools use httplib2 except backfire | 16:29 |
| jaypipes | nati: it is. glance's functional tests use it extensively. | 16:29 |
| jaypipes | OK, so can we agree that we want tests written that use BOTH the novaclient Python library AND the straight HTTP calls through httplib2? | 16:30 |
| jaypipes | #agree | 16:30 |
| nati | #agree | 16:30 |
| GavinB | agree (and python-novaclient -> nova cli tool works also, yes ?) | 16:30 |
| rohitk | #agree | 16:31 |
| jaypipes | GavinB: yes | 16:31 |
| dwalleck | #agree | 16:31 |
| donaldngo_hp | #agree | 16:31 |
| westmaas | #agree | 16:31 |
| jaypipes | OK, I should note that both types of tests don't need to be done by next week, dwalleck :) Only the httplib2 ones for Zodiac, I'm presuming... | 16:31 |
| dwalleck | jaypipes: Right, gotcha | 16:32 |
| donaldngo_hp | so the unix command line interface is that another category of tests? | 16:32 |
| nati | Maybe , we should have to QA about clients | 16:32 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck, westmaas: what do you say to donaldngo_hp's question? | 16:33 |
| westmaas | I would leave command line tests out of this suite, personally | 16:33 |
| westmaas | I want to test the lib that the cli uses in this suite | 16:34 |
| dwalleck | Hmm, isn't that novaclient also? or is that a different implementation? | 16:34 |
| jaypipes | donaldngo_hp: personally, I would be interested in that type of test, but the other types (python-novaclient lib calls and httplib2 calls) would be my top priorities. | 16:34 |
| westmaas | prob is we call both python-novaclient | 16:34 |
| westmaas | the cli and the lib | 16:34 |
| jaypipes | heh, right :) | 16:34 |
| donaldngo_hp | so python-novaclient = command line interface and python library? | 16:35 |
| jaypipes | though to be honest, the CLI client is a very thin wrapper over the python lib (except for zones!) | 16:35 |
| rohitk | it's the same thing ? nova CLI tool calls novaclient lib | 16:35 |
| jaypipes | rohitk: yes, EXCEPT for zone management... | 16:35 |
| westmaas | donaldngo_hp: yes | 16:35 |
| donaldngo_hp | so is it 100% that if we cover the novaclient lib the cli calls work? | 16:35 |
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| rohitk | i think what's imp is how errors are seen on CLI | 16:35 |
| jaypipes | donaldngo_hp: everything except zones IIRC. | 16:35 |
| westmaas | rohitk: agreed. I think that might belong in the CLI codebase itself | 16:36 |
| donaldngo_hp | there are also windows clis too right? | 16:36 |
| jaypipes | I say we focus on the python library calls (not the CLI calls) for the first round of test cases. | 16:36 |
| westmaas | donaldngo_hp: none that are part of openstack projects | 16:36 |
| jaypipes | donaldngo_hp: same thing. it's python. | 16:36 |
| nati | I agree with Jay. | 16:36 |
| rohitk | jaypipes: #agree | 16:36 |
| nati | Each client depents on libs | 16:36 |
| westmaas | jaypipes: also agree | 16:36 |
| donaldngo_hp | but yes i agree that httplib and the python libraries should be priority | 16:36 |
| jaypipes | not to say we can't add CLI testing later... | 16:37 |
| jaypipes | OK, sounds like that is agreed upon. | 16:37 |
| westmaas | ok, will represent that in the email I send out today | 16:37 |
| jaypipes | westmaas: awesome, thx! | 16:37 |
| nati | westmaas++ | 16:37 |
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| jaypipes | ok dokey, let's move to open discussion... | 16:38 |
| jaypipes | #topci open discussion | 16:38 |
| nati | HI I have a topic | 16:38 |
| jaypipes | #topic open discussion | 16:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion" | 16:38 | |
| nati | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-qa/+spec/integration-test-scenario | 16:38 |
| nati | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ap9P99ymj9wLdEx2OEtyODNKOXpWODNObmpyR29LLUE#gid=0 | 16:38 |
| nati | I created list of Apis and point of tests | 16:38 |
| nati | How about to check API coverage using this spreadsheet? | 16:39 |
| jaypipes | wow, nice work, nati | 16:39 |
| dwalleck | Nice, very good stuff | 16:39 |
| nati | Me and Ravi work on WADL this week | 16:39 |
| nati | I geneated this list from WADL | 16:39 |
| jaypipes | great work. :) | 16:39 |
| nati | Now we have WADL for nova, keystone, glance, quantum | 16:39 |
| jaypipes | I would have no problem using this as a basis for test cases. | 16:40 |
| nati | Thanks | 16:40 |
| westmaas | sweet | 16:40 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck, westmaas, wwkeyboard: thoughts? | 16:40 |
| nati | And Rohit analize the current test and deplicaitons https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgufSlaYow2GdDIxU3BvbXY5SDEwbzRWZndTRDR6a1E | 16:40 |
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| dwalleck | Hmm, I think so. nati, could you perhaps send a short description of what data each of the columns represents? | 16:41 |
| rohitk | yes, i wanted to gather an inventory of what we have, based on last time's discussion | 16:41 |
| nati | I see. For API list? | 16:41 |
| jaypipes | rohitk: cool. | 16:41 |
| westmaas | rohitk: great, thanks | 16:42 |
| dwalleck | nati: Yes. It seems like we have columns for all inputs, and most of them I think I understand, but for example I'm not sure about a stress test column for each input | 16:42 |
| westmaas | rohitk: except nova smoketests does have ec2 support :) | 16:42 |
| dwalleck | But I'm also sure I'm just not understanding everything :) | 16:42 |
| rohitk | yes, it uses boto | 16:43 |
| jaypipes | nati: I think also, we would need to know the expected result of each call, no? | 16:43 |
| rohitk | ?? | 16:43 |
| rohitk | my bad :-) | 16:43 |
| nati | dwalleck: gotcha, I'll add more note | 16:43 |
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| jaypipes | nati: looks like you've been having lots of fun with WADL ;) | 16:44 |
| nati | jaypipes: Yes. I think so too. I almost finised to create api list. next is test scenario which includes input and output expectations. | 16:44 |
| nati | jaypipes: Noooo I hate WADL... It awful to write. But I love IDL | 16:44 |
| nati | jaypipes: I like machine readable data format ;) | 16:45 |
| jaypipes | ok, very nice work nati. please do work with dwalleck and westmaas and make sure you are sharing all your findings... | 16:45 |
| westmaas | nati: we will do the same | 16:46 |
| nati | jaypipes: westmaas: gotacha | 16:46 |
| dwalleck | same here | 16:46 |
| westmaas | do we definitely want to call this project openstack-integration-tests? is it too late to change? is it worth it to change the name? | 16:46 |
| rohitk | how can we designate the nova-smoketests as part the integration-tests? | 16:46 |
| jaypipes | westmaas: what's your proposed new name? :) | 16:47 |
| westmaas | rohitk: I think we need to work with novacore to move it out? | 16:47 |
| dwalleck | haha, I was actually thinking the same thing :) | 16:47 |
| westmaas | openstack-functional-tests perhaps? I'm open to other ideas :) | 16:47 |
| dwalleck | I kind of like westmaas's Stacktester name | 16:47 |
| westmaas | openstack-system-tests | 16:47 |
| jaypipes | westmaas: any of those is fine by me... | 16:47 |
| rohitk | dwalleck: me too, sounds perfect | 16:47 |
| westmaas | stacktester is easier to type :) | 16:48 |
| nati | StackMonkey (just a idea..) | 16:48 |
| jaypipes | hehe | 16:48 |
| rohitk | lol | 16:48 |
| dwalleck | And it is what it sounds like :) | 16:48 |
| jeblair | we can change the name. it is a bit of a PITA, so, uh, let's try not to do it too often or without good reason. :) | 16:48 |
| jaypipes | So.... stacktester then? | 16:48 |
| jaypipes | or openstacktester? ;) | 16:48 |
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| jaypipes | jeblair: only change it once, we promise :) | 16:49 |
| rohitk | #shakespeare : what's in a name... | 16:49 |
| nati | I think stacktester is good. But if we do it now, some confusion ocuurs | 16:49 |
| dwalleck | Maybe a vote via the list so that everyone gets a fair chance? | 16:49 |
| westmaas | jeblair: once per wek | 16:49 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: ++ | 16:49 |
| westmaas | week* | 16:49 |
| jaypipes | westmaas: want to send out a separate email on the name> | 16:50 |
| jaypipes | ? | 16:50 |
| westmaas | sure | 16:50 |
| westmaas | to the openstack list or the openstack qa list? | 16:50 |
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| rohitk | do we have a poll feature on our wiki? | 16:50 |
| nati | rohitk++ | 16:51 |
| jeblair | launchpad does | 16:51 |
| jaypipes | westmaas: main list | 16:51 |
| westmaas | jaypipes: k | 16:51 |
| jeblair | https://launchpad.net/~openstack/+poll/e-release-naming | 16:51 |
| jeblair | ^ example poll | 16:51 |
| uvirtbot | jeblair: Error: "example" is not a valid command. | 16:51 |
| westmaas | haha | 16:51 |
| westmaas | jeblair: cool, thanks | 16:51 |
| jeblair | ^ example error message | 16:51 |
| uvirtbot | jeblair: Error: "example" is not a valid command. | 16:51 |
| westmaas | lol | 16:52 |
| rohitk | jeblair: cool, | 16:52 |
| jaypipes | OK all, are we ready to end the meeting? | 16:52 |
| westmaas | raise your hand if not! | 16:53 |
| nati | Yup Thanks for your leading discuss! | 16:53 |
| dwalleck | done done | 16:54 |
| jaypipes | #endmeeting | 16:54 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-10-26-16.04.log.html | 16:54 |
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