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| ayoung | I'm Here for the Keystone meeting | 17:58 |
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| jsavak | hi ayoung! | 18:00 |
| jsavak | #startmeeting keystone-meeting | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 14 18:00:19 2012 UTC. The chair is jsavak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone-meeting)" | 18:00 | |
| jsavak | anyone else here for keystone meeting? | 18:00 |
| jsavak | #link agenda and meeting notes: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:00 |
| jsavak | #link essex 4 bp and bugs: https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/essex-4 | 18:01 |
| jsavak | #topic Status and Progress | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status and Progress (Meeting topic: keystone-meeting)" | 18:01 | |
| jsavak | All looks ok on https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/essex-4 but I admit I've been out of the loop recently... | 18:02 |
| termie | hey | 18:03 |
| jsavak | hi termie | 18:03 |
| ayoung | jsavak, I've only been working on LDAP support. My current code is on https://github.com/admiyo/keystone/tree/ldap2 | 18:03 |
| termie | we're currently trying to finish the merge across, we ran into jenkins bugs last night that have resolved into some new bug | 18:03 |
| ayoung | I'm feeling pretty good about it, have something ready for code review shortly | 18:03 |
| jsavak | #link ldap support being worked on by ayoung https://github.com/admiyo/keystone/tree/ldap2 | 18:03 |
| termie | but the outstanding code in merge proposals is the required stuff for us to merge across legacy | 18:03 |
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| jsavak | ok cool. Quick convo with a few people resulted in the abandon of #link https://review.openstack.org/#change,3985 which was a 401/403 disabled-user change | 18:05 |
| jsavak | the review has a few links to explain why the change was abandoned | 18:05 |
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| jsavak | termie - so the merge will still happen ok by end of e4? | 18:05 |
| termie | jsavak: the merge should happen today | 18:06 |
| jsavak | termie thanks! | 18:06 |
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| jsavak | any other status updates? | 18:06 |
| jsavak | looks like we covered some of #topic Keystone Light Progress (redux branch) | 18:07 |
| jsavak | #topic Keystone Light Progress (redux branch) | 18:07 |
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| jsavak | anything else for KSL progress? | 18:07 |
| jsavak | #topic Open-Discussion | 18:08 |
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| jsavak | any issues, questions, complaints, asks? | 18:08 |
| termie | i've been -2ing anything aimed at master and asking them to use redux instead | 18:08 |
| jsavak | who's been pushing against master? | 18:09 |
| termie | jsavak: various code reviews come in | 18:09 |
| jsavak | they'll be able to push to master again post merge though (tomorrow), right? | 18:09 |
| termie | jsavak: yes, though not with any of the existing reviews, obviously, since the code base is radically different | 18:10 |
| termie | jsavak: my statement was only meant to say i am preventing work being done before the erge | 18:10 |
| termie | so if somebody has a large problem with that they should probably let me know | 18:11 |
| jsavak | termie: ok. Maybe an email out to the mailing list may help? | 18:11 |
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| jsavak | anything else for the open discussion? | 18:13 |
| jsavak | taking that as a no. :) | 18:14 |
| jsavak | thanks y'all | 18:14 |
| jsavak | #endmeeting | 18:14 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 14 18:14:19 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-02-14-18.00.html | 18:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-02-14-18.00.txt | 18:14 |
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| mtaylor | heya | 19:02 |
| mtaylor | #startmeeting | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 14 19:02:27 2012 UTC. The chair is mtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 19:02 |
| mtaylor | #topic OpenStack CI | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack CI" | 19:02 | |
| mtaylor | one sec | 19:03 |
| LinuxJedi | yay, I actually made the meeting today! :) | 19:03 |
| jeblair | yay meeting! | 19:04 |
| LinuxJedi | it only took 22 hours of traveling to do it! | 19:04 |
| mtaylor | w00t! | 19:04 |
| mtaylor | see - how easy is that | 19:05 |
| mtaylor | so - I don't have a whole lot to report here today | 19:05 |
| mtaylor | LinuxJedi and jeblair are in Seattle with me this week, so we'll be doing a good amount of face-to-face meeting | 19:05 |
| mtaylor | other than last weeks fires on jenkins and then moving jenkins to a new server | 19:05 |
| LinuxJedi | you mean we are also doing work type stuff this week? | 19:05 |
| mtaylor | LinuxJedi: (ssssh) | 19:05 |
| mtaylor | jeblair is going to fix the gerrit trigger plugin so that we can use it for post-merge events so that we can stop polling repos | 19:06 |
| jeblair | yes, we, uh, "improved" a lot of infrastructure last week. :) | 19:06 |
| jeblair | yep, making progress on that | 19:06 |
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| mtaylor | I've also got to sort out upgrading virtual envs when pip-requires change in submitted commit | 19:07 |
| jeblair | we'll probably move gerrit to a new server soon; it's not as urgent as jenkins was, but still a good idea | 19:08 |
| LinuxJedi | do I see more puppet work on the horizon for that? | 19:09 |
| mtaylor | yup | 19:10 |
| jeblair | it's like half-puppetized | 19:10 |
| LinuxJedi | hehe :) | 19:10 |
| jeblair | it's _managed_ by puppet, but the initial install is not handled by puppet | 19:10 |
| mtaylor | also - jeblair ... the venv jobs don't show their url trigger plugin config | 19:10 |
| mtaylor | https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/nova-venv/configure | 19:10 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: that may mean the don't have one? | 19:10 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: those were the only jobs that _did_ have url triggers | 19:11 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: so we should put that on our list of things to investigate | 19:12 |
| jeblair | i know, i mean you said they don't _show_ their config. i think if they don't show it then they don't have it anymore. | 19:12 |
| mtaylor | oh, sorry | 19:12 |
| mtaylor | yes | 19:12 |
| mtaylor | I agree with you | 19:12 |
| mtaylor | the question is - where did it go? | 19:12 |
| mtaylor | :) | 19:12 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: job config history shows that you deleted it when you removed the throttle concurrent builds config | 19:14 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: https://jenkins.openstack.org/view/All/job/nova-venv/jobConfigHistory/showDiffFiles?histDir1=%2Fvar%2Flib%2Fjenkins%2Fjobs%2Fnova-venv%2Fconfig-history%2F2012-02-10_07-37-51&histDir2=%2Fvar%2Flib%2Fjenkins%2Fjobs%2Fnova-venv%2Fconfig-history%2F2012-02-14_19-13-21 | 19:14 |
| mtaylor | oh wait | 19:14 |
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| mtaylor | it shows the opposite of that | 19:15 |
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| LinuxJedi | mtaylor: it shows you removed it ;) | 19:15 |
| mtaylor | and shows that I removed the old config but didn't add the new one | 19:15 |
| mtaylor | yup | 19:15 |
| pvo | mtaylor: are you still having any build issues? | 19:16 |
| pvo | just wanted to double check . | 19:16 |
| mtaylor | pvo: with rax cloud? jeblair? | 19:16 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: i added it back to nova, and glance looks okay. are you aware of others? | 19:16 |
| pvo | mtaylor: yes, with rax cloud. | 19:16 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: well, keystone didn't have it | 19:16 |
| jeblair | pvo: let me check | 19:17 |
| pvo | jeblair: no rush. just ping me oob if you need help | 19:17 |
| jeblair | pvo: great, will do. it looks like the image builds have been more reliable the past few days: | 19:18 |
| pvo | jeblair: excellent | 19:18 |
| jeblair | pvo: https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/devstack-update-vm-image/ | 19:18 |
| jeblair | you can see the history there, with one failure yesterday | 19:18 |
| jeblair | (it runs daily) | 19:18 |
| pvo | jeblair: is that a rax specific build? | 19:19 |
| jeblair | that's us trying to create an image from a running server in rs public cloud | 19:19 |
| jeblair | https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/devstack-update-vm-image/87/console | 19:19 |
| jeblair | you can see the error it returned there | 19:19 |
| jeblair | it also looks like vm launching is fairly happy now as well: https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/devstack-launch-vms/ | 19:21 |
| pvo | jeblair: got it. | 19:21 |
| jeblair | (that job launches vms based on the image created in the other job) | 19:22 |
| mtaylor | pvo: stupid question - is it possible to talk to rax cloud with python-novaclient? | 19:22 |
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| bcwaldon | mtaylor: it is possible | 19:28 |
| mtaylor | bcwaldon: neat. can I loop up with you on what settings I should give it? | 19:29 |
| bcwaldon | mtaylor: maybe... | 19:29 |
| bcwaldon | mtaylor: yeah, let's catch up after this | 19:29 |
| mtaylor | cool | 19:30 |
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| mtaylor | ok. I think that's good for today | 19:42 |
| mtaylor | #endmeeting | 19:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 14 19:42:36 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-02-14-19.02.html | 19:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-02-14-19.02.txt | 19:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-02-14-19.02.log.html | 19:42 |
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| jbryce | #startmeeting | 19:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 14 19:59:59 2012 UTC. The chair is jbryce. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 20:00 |
| ewanmellor | o/ | 20:00 |
| jbryce | roll call. who's here? | 20:00 |
| johnpur | o/ | 20:00 |
| termie | o/ | 20:00 |
| danwent | o/ | 20:00 |
| ewanmellor | Red 1, standing by. | 20:00 |
| jk0 | \o | 20:01 |
| anotherjesse | o/ | 20:01 |
| pvo | o-- | 20:01 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 20:02 |
| jbryce | so that's 6...will we get a 7th? | 20:02 |
| jbryce | there we go | 20:02 |
| jeblair | mtaylor is on his way | 20:02 |
| zns | zns here | 20:02 |
| jbryce | ok, we'll wait a couple of minutes | 20:02 |
| mtaylor | o/ | 20:02 |
| jbryce | #topic Quantum core promotion | 20:02 |
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| jbryce | http://wiki.openstack.org/Projects/CoreApplication/Quantum | 20:02 |
| jbryce | danwent updated the previous proposal with some updates from the incubation time period | 20:03 |
| danwent | I think key take-away is that bleeding-edge openstack shops have already started using quantum to counter some of the key networking issues they are seeing. | 20:03 |
| johnpur | I support the promotion... the project is being run well, is becoming a key target, and is supported by ttx from a release standpoint | 20:04 |
| danwent | meanwhile, we've been making good progress toward integrating into openstack processes, thanks to folks like ttx, mtaylor, annegentle | 20:04 |
| danwent | happy to answer questions / take comments. | 20:05 |
| jbryce | danwent: it looks like a pretty good list of developers on there. how spread out are the actual volume of contributions? | 20:05 |
| mtaylor | the quantum guys have been very responsive and have integrated well into the tooling | 20:05 |
| anotherjesse | danwent: is the goal to phase out nova-network (being core would mean recommendation/requirement that openstack clouds use quantum instead of nova-network)? | 20:06 |
| danwent | jbryce: those are people who have contributed "regularly", though some from cisco team have had other responsibilities lately | 20:06 |
| pvo | jbryce: we've been working closely with them, but I understand the implications there. | 20:06 |
| johnpur | having a standardized networking set of layers will be key to getting to future states of federation, cross-cloud resource management, etc. | 20:06 |
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| danwent | I think there are very strong contribution already from cisco, citrix, nicira, and rackspace, as well as openstack infrastructure folks like monty and james blair | 20:07 |
| pvo | anotherjesse: I understood the transition to be somewhat like auth was. Or should have been . | 20:07 |
| danwent | anotherjesse: have talked with vish about this. he would like to evaluate whether we can rip out nova-network in folsom. | 20:07 |
| anotherjesse | pvo: with diablo we deprecated the nova built-in auth and are removing in folsom | 20:07 |
| danwent | I think doing so in 6-months will take a commitment from existing nova team members as well as quantum members though | 20:07 |
| anotherjesse | pvo: err, removing in essex or folsom | 20:07 |
| mtaylor | ++ | 20:08 |
| anotherjesse | danwent: a transition phase is great :) | 20:08 |
| mtaylor | I do like the idea of having quantum in core _before_ we start that transition phase | 20:08 |
| jbryce | danwent: what do you think the essex quantum release will look like. even though quantum won't be part of the core, i think we saw that with the timing of core promotions people expected the new projects to "just work" even if they aren't core for essex. i'd like to make sure we can set expectations properly | 20:09 |
| johnpur | anotherjesse: agree on transition phase, the question is when | 20:09 |
| danwent | anotherjesse: I agree. my main concern would be people trying to move to quickly to rip out nova-network. we have a decent "half-and-half" strategy right now. | 20:09 |
| jbryce | danwent: i know you guys have been following all the e milestones already | 20:09 |
| anotherjesse | danwent: I'm primarily asking from an API perspective - if we remove/deprecate nova-network, users of openstack clouds could keep using the existing APIs and if they wanted richer network APIs could switch to using quantum directly? | 20:09 |
| danwent | though half-and-half sucks long-term | 20:09 |
| anotherjesse | danwent: kinda like how you can use "image-list" in nova (which calls out to glance), or if you need a richer API use glance directly | 20:09 |
| pvo | anotherjesse: I was guess remove by or at folsom | 20:10 |
| danwent | jbryce: the targeted use case of driving network creation + port attachment (what is documented in our admin guide) should be solid for essex | 20:10 |
| devcamcar | o/ | 20:10 |
| danwent | anotherjesse: that's another thing I've been talking about with vish. one model would be to let APIs like the ec2 API proxy to quantum for backward compat | 20:11 |
| devcamcar | mtaylor: +1 to having quantum in core and then migrating | 20:11 |
| danwent | anotherjesse: though new functionality would likely be exposed only via Quantum API. | 20:11 |
| johnpur | danwent: +1 | 20:11 |
| devcamcar | +1 | 20:11 |
| danwent | anotherjesse: yes, glance analogy is a good one. In a sense, that is what we've done already, as you can drive quantum using nova-manage commands for creating networks. Gives good backward compat. | 20:12 |
| anotherjesse | mtaylor / devcamcar: I think we need to have a well documented plan of what existing nova network APIs will work in Folsom (or whenever quantum becomes core) with both quantum & nova-network | 20:12 |
| mtaylor | anotherjesse: ++ | 20:12 |
| devcamcar | is the goal to have quantum replace all of the relevant nova-network pieces by folsom release? | 20:13 |
| pvo | does quantum really mean quantum+melange? | 20:13 |
| anotherjesse | devcamcar: core means it is a part of openstack, we've learned with keystone being half pregnant is harmful to developers and users | 20:13 |
| mtaylor | I don't think we necessarily need to migrate by folsom - I thnk that's a call for vish - I just think that if we do migrate, all of the migration steps should be done once quantum is core | 20:13 |
| mtaylor | what anotherjesse said | 20:14 |
| mtaylor | pvo: good question ... | 20:14 |
| danwent | devcamcar: that is the goal long-term, but would need commitment from nova team to achieve it in such a short time frame | 20:14 |
| mtaylor | danwent: can we accept quantum without accepting melange or should we be considering both? | 20:14 |
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| devcamcar | so probably by G release nova-network goes away and is fully replaced by quantum/melange would be my assumption | 20:14 |
| pvo | another option is to merge them into a single project. | 20:14 |
| danwent | pvo: that's a good question. I've been talking with troy about options for more closely coupling melange and quantum | 20:15 |
| pvo | since they are intertwined. | 20:15 |
| devcamcar | pvo: ideologically that would make sense - fewer boundaries and moving parts is always preferable to 200 different projects ... | 20:15 |
| anotherjesse | devcamcar: having it so removal of nova-network can be done without any users having to know would be the issue | 20:15 |
| danwent | devcamcar: I would feel much more confident about G. Not that I wouldn't love to do it by F, if enough people pitch in. | 20:15 |
| devcamcar | anotherjesse: shudder | 20:16 |
| danwent | devcamcar: definitely from a tenant API perspective a closer coupling of quantum + melange makes sense. | 20:16 |
| danwent | troy and I have chatted about this on several occassions. Plan was to propose something concrete at F summit. | 20:16 |
| devcamcar | melange becomes core in folsom or g? | 20:16 |
| pvo | danwent: I might agree on your timeline for G, but would hope for F. | 20:16 |
| jbryce | i talked to troy as well and i think it's probably a separate question from promotion for quantum itself | 20:17 |
| pvo | jbryce: it may be, but it surely affects the timeline for integration | 20:17 |
| pvo | if we take quantum but not melange that might be … interesting | 20:18 |
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| tr3buchet | fully replaced | 20:18 |
| anotherjesse | danwert: I think it might be good to have a section on the details of the migration plan for nova-network. my only concern with saying +1 to core is the question of what network APIs does an openstack cloud need to expose to be considered "openstack" | 20:18 |
| johnpur | pvo: if that is true it argues for collapsing/integrating the projects | 20:19 |
| devcamcar | anotherjesse: +1 - i'm not sure i've ever seen it articulated in detail. i think i know, but maybe i dont know what i dont know :) | 20:19 |
| danwent | anotherjesse: right now a lot of the nova non-ec2 network apis are extensions, right? | 20:19 |
| anotherjesse | danwent: it is already a little confusing, and I would prefer that we clean up our position on network APIs in nova (with and without quantum) instead making it more complicated (adding quantum to the mix without a definitive plan for transitions) | 20:20 |
| tr3buchet | anotherjesse: +1 | 20:20 |
| pvo | anotherjesse: is network enough functionality to be standalone? Is that the question? | 20:20 |
| anotherjesse | danwent: yep! although they are on by default. I know bcwaldon was hoping on removing the "extension" label in folsom | 20:20 |
| jbryce | anotherjesse: is it worth delaying promotion to core another 6 months to have that laid out, or something that we should make a priority for the 6 months? | 20:21 |
| danwent | Ok, from talking with vish I believe his plan is to be pretty aggressive about avoiding additional network capabilities in nova, assuming the long term plan is quantum. | 20:21 |
| johnpur | can we get a clear design/go-forward plan in shape to discuss in SF? | 20:21 |
| pvo | johnpur: ++ | 20:21 |
| danwent | I think so. The key thing is that we need nova people on board as well as quantum people. | 20:21 |
| anotherjesse | jbryce: I don't know if it will take 6 months - it could be that it is a relatively small task | 20:22 |
| danwent | anotherjesse: I agree. | 20:22 |
| pvo | anotherjesse: I think the hinge is melange | 20:22 |
| anotherjesse | (most of) nova people want to move quantum, just want it to be orderly | 20:22 |
| pvo | anotherjesse: maybe not though. | 20:22 |
| pvo | I haven't tested splitting that functionality. | 20:22 |
| danwent | pvo: what functionality? | 20:22 |
| anotherjesse | jbryce: when does the core vs. not decision need to happen? | 20:22 |
| jbryce | since the promotion time windows are only pre-release every 6 months, then i'd be in favor of promoting it to core for folsom and marking out some these things as critical tasks to work on | 20:22 |
| anotherjesse | (for folsom) | 20:23 |
| jbryce | anotherjesse: next couple of weeks | 20:23 |
| pvo | having nova manage ips and quantum manage networking | 20:23 |
| pvo | without melange | 20:23 |
| danwent | pvo: this works already | 20:23 |
| devcamcar | pvo: sounds reasonable | 20:23 |
| pvo | danwent: cool… I hadn't worked with it in that config | 20:23 |
| danwent | in fact, it is the default mode of running quantum. | 20:23 |
| anotherjesse | jbryce: so we can add success criteria to the proposal that "assuming X (api, melange, …)" it goes core | 20:23 |
| anotherjesse | and work through that in the next week | 20:23 |
| danwent | though I do believe long-term the flexibility + APIs of melange are what we want. | 20:24 |
| jbryce | so what are the key things we'd like to have to feel comfortable promoting it for folsom? | 20:24 |
| jbryce | 1) plan for transition with nova-network | 20:24 |
| jbryce | 2) draft for melange integration | 20:24 |
| jbryce | 3) documentation of desired network api end state | 20:25 |
| jbryce | did i miss anything? | 20:25 |
| devcamcar | 4) documentation of delta of capabilities with vanilla nova-network vs nova-network + quantum | 20:25 |
| devcamcar | 5) bonus points: #4 + melange | 20:25 |
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| devcamcar | let the community have a clear roadmap | 20:26 |
| johnpur | ** able to have in place to discuss in April and plan for the Folsom release | 20:26 |
| danwent | Ok, I'll start out by setting up a more in-depth dicussion with vishy | 20:26 |
| jbryce | danwent hit some of those as bullets on his updated proposal but basically we'd like to get more details | 20:26 |
| danwent | jbryce: ok, sounds good. thanks for the feedback everyone | 20:27 |
| jbryce | what else? any other concerns that we think we'd like answered before approving a promotion? | 20:27 |
| jbryce | i think that quantum has done an awesome job so far in incubation | 20:27 |
| devcamcar | agree! | 20:27 |
| johnpur | jbryce: they are the standard so far... | 20:28 |
| danwent | thanks guys. so next week, same bad channel :) ? | 20:28 |
| ewanmellor | jbryce: Was about to say the same thing. We should thank Dan for running his project so well! | 20:28 |
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| jbryce | yes...thanks, dan. it's made openstack look like we're figuring out what we're doing with this incubation thing. = ) | 20:28 |
| johnpur | he he | 20:29 |
| jbryce | so let's plan on discussing again next week | 20:29 |
| danwent | :) | 20:29 |
| jbryce | #topic open discussion | 20:29 |
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| jbryce | anything else? | 20:29 |
| jbryce | break early? | 20:29 |
| mtaylor | I got nothing | 20:29 |
| johnpur | do we have any further progress or direction on fits testing? | 20:29 |
| jbryce | johnpur: i just got to cloud connect and am eating cotton candy from hp cloud services | 20:29 |
| johnpur | jbryce: :) | 20:30 |
| anotherjesse | johnpur: fits would need to know our network api plan :) | 20:30 |
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| jbryce | johnpur: i think it's stalled a little | 20:31 |
| johnpur | also, are we going to address/comment on the foundation thoughts from Red Hat that was posted? | 20:31 |
| jbryce | i'll send a note out and see if what our next step with it should be | 20:31 |
| jbryce | johnpur: are you referring to markmc's proposal? we actually incorporated a couple of ideas from there in the draft structure we put up friday and my plan is to continue iterating from that draft structure (with the mailing list, meetup tomorrow, webinars, etc) | 20:33 |
| johnpur | jbryce: yes, good to hear. there was some good ideas there. | 20:33 |
| jbryce | anything else? | 20:34 |
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| jbryce | all right. thanks everyone! | 20:35 |
| jbryce | #endmeeting | 20:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 14 20:36:02 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:36 |
| * mtaylor will now find a sandwich | 20:36 | |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-02-14-19.59.html | 20:36 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-02-14-19.59.txt | 20:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-02-14-19.59.log.html | 20:36 |
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| jaypipes | #startmeeting | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 14 21:00:33 2012 UTC. The chair is jaypipes. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 21:00 |
| jaypipes | Hello all, I'm filling in for ttx today. | 21:00 |
| termie | hello jaypipes | 21:01 |
| jaypipes | Based on some input from ttx, I'd like to mostly focus today on Keystone redux + Nova. | 21:01 |
| jaypipes | so... unless notmyname, you have anything urgent to bring up, I'd like to move that Glance and Swift be skipped in today's meeting? | 21:01 |
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| anotherjesse | notmyname: I'd love to get your input on https://review.openstack.org/#change,3712 in #openstack-dev | 21:02 |
| jaypipes | as a quick status update, Glance has a few bugs, but nothing major and is tracking fine for E4 thx to good work from Eoghan Glynn, Stuart McLaren and others | 21:02 |
| jaypipes | anotherjesse: is swift the only CLI tool left to standardize? | 21:02 |
| anotherjesse | jaypipes: YES! :) | 21:03 |
| anotherjesse | happy dance | 21:03 |
| jaypipes | anotherjesse: ah, nice work dtroyer! | 21:03 |
| jaypipes | OK, termie, ready to chat about redux? | 21:03 |
| jaypipes | anotherjesse: and you :) | 21:03 |
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| termie | yup | 21:03 |
| jaypipes | k | 21:03 |
| termie | Current Keystone (redux) Status! | 21:04 |
| termie | do we need to do some thing with the meeting topic | 21:04 |
| termie | to make the bots happy | 21:04 |
| jaypipes | so, ttx has some valid concerns about the merge-readiness of the redux branch in relation to the ongoing feature freeze. | 21:04 |
| jaypipes | #topic Keystone Redux status | 21:04 |
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| jaypipes | termie: ttx was looking for an overall status on redux and a description of any blockers | 21:04 |
| termie | ready whenever you are | 21:05 |
| termie | (if you are done prefacing the question) | 21:05 |
| jaypipes | termie: yes, please go ahead | 21:05 |
| termie | Current Keystone (redux) Status! | 21:05 |
| anotherjesse | the suspense is killing me | 21:06 |
| termie | we planned on haaving the marge prop in flight this morning, however due to some setbacks in the CI world most of our patches from yesterday are only now landing | 21:06 |
| termie | we previously discussed a list of blockers, all of which are addressed by the patches in the queue | 21:06 |
| termie | once they land we'll ask jeblair to nicely re-roll the merge prop | 21:06 |
| termie | form redux to master | 21:06 |
| anotherjesse | the primary focus of the patches were migration paths from diablo 5, diablo final and essex to redux | 21:07 |
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| jaypipes | k | 21:07 |
| jaypipes | termie, anotherjesse: is https://review.openstack.org/#q,status:open+project:openstack/keystone+branch:redux,n,z an accurate depiction of remaining items to go in? | 21:07 |
| termie | yep | 21:07 |
| jaypipes | termie, anotherjesse: and I see quite a few bugs tagged with redux: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bugs?field.tag=redux | 21:08 |
| termie | and https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bugs?field.tag=redux | 21:08 |
| termie | those marked "critical" the blockers | 21:08 |
| anotherjesse | jaypipes: I believe so - the major deltas that might block merge is what state of XML support people require before the merge vs before E4 | 21:08 |
| termie | all of which are either committed or waiting on CI | 21:08 |
| jaypipes | termie, anotherjesse: the two critical bugs that are in New status... | 21:08 |
| jaypipes | termie: let's take the bugs one at a time... one sec | 21:08 |
| termie | jaypipes: both committed or in the queu | 21:08 |
| jaypipes | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/928558 | 21:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 928558 in keystone "remove keystoneclient functionality from keystone-manage" [Critical,New] | 21:08 |
| anotherjesse | termie: want to update the https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/928558 (it has landed) | 21:09 |
| jaypipes | termie: that one needs a status update? or...? | 21:09 |
| anotherjesse | it was merged in https://review.openstack.org/#change,4095 | 21:09 |
| jaypipes | anotherjesse: this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/931837 is Critical, but I'm not sure it's really critical (doc fix) | 21:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 931837 in keystone "update docs to talk about keystone-manage & cli" [Critical,In progress] | 21:09 |
| anotherjesse | added a comment | 21:09 |
| termie | updated | 21:09 |
| jaypipes | k | 21:09 |
| jaypipes | cool, thx | 21:09 |
| termie | the doc fix is already associated with a change in the queue | 21:09 |
| jaypipes | termie: gotcha. thx | 21:10 |
| anotherjesse | jaypipes: we wanted to make sure we had documentation for the differences (termie noted a couple tweaks and sleepsonthefloo is updating them now) | 21:10 |
| jaypipes | anotherjesse: got it. just wasn't sure about the Critical priority, but if it's already in-flight, totally cool. | 21:10 |
| anotherjesse | jaypipes: yeah, the large thing was hoping to make the documentation reflect reality | 21:11 |
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| anotherjesse | anotherjesse: to minimize confusion during the transistion process | 21:11 |
| jaypipes | termie: is this one covered in the patch that has other docs in it? https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/928043 | 21:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 928043 in keystone "document how to configure keystone (redux) with swift auth" [High,Confirmed] | 21:11 |
| jaypipes | anotherjesse: talkin' to yourself again? ;) | 21:12 |
| termie | jaypipes: that is not in our blocker category but the general expectation is that nothing has changed | 21:12 |
| anotherjesse | jaypipes: swift + keystone is a work in progress regardless of keystone implementation | 21:12 |
| jaypipes | anotherjesse, termie: k | 21:12 |
| anotherjesse | jaypipes: chmouel has been helping with the swift middleware & documentation | 21:12 |
| vishy | o/ | 21:13 |
| jaypipes | termie, anotherjesse: ok, so looks like all critical and most high bugs are in progress or already taken care of... | 21:13 |
| termie | jaypipes: that is our feeling as well | 21:13 |
| anotherjesse | we've been doing pretty regular sweeps of keystone bugs to re-catagorize | 21:13 |
| jaypipes | termie, anotherjesse: when do you expect the final merge prop? | 21:13 |
| jaypipes | cool. | 21:13 |
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| termie | jaypipes: we think jeblair should be able to roll a new one within the next hour or so | 21:14 |
| jaypipes | anotherjesse: and the devstack-related changes for redux? those all good? have we smokestacked it all yet? | 21:14 |
| jaypipes | termie: excellent. | 21:14 |
| anotherjesse | assuming no more gotchas in the CI environment I think within an hour to gerrit then an email to #openstack | 21:14 |
| anotherjesse | jaypipes: we have been keeping a devstack branch in gerrit as well (it is used as the merge to redux gate) | 21:15 |
| termie | jaypipes: the devstack changes are still going to require hand-holding, we have a new devstack branch but they are inter-dependent with the redux branch of keystone | 21:15 |
| termie | jaypipes: but it has been being used as the gating branch and we have kept it up to date with amster | 21:15 |
| jaypipes | OK, good to hear. | 21:15 |
| termie | jaypipes: so when the merge is approved we'll have to get mtaylor or jeblair to ninja them both in at once | 21:15 |
| anotherjesse | jaypipes: the only concerns I have with getting the merge in is: if the community thinks that XML is a blocker for mereg | 21:16 |
| jaypipes | anotherjesse, termie: so, looks like you both have a great handle on redux stuff. Could I ask one of you to send a post to the ML when the merge goes through with an update for the cmomunity and what (if anything) it means to folks? | 21:16 |
| anotherjesse | thus far I've not gotten any feedback saying that | 21:16 |
| zul | ubuntu/debian packages should start appear tomorrow for what its worth | 21:16 |
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| termie | zul: cool! | 21:17 |
| jaypipes | anotherjesse: had a question offline... about Swift + Keystone. Could you elaborate on what you meant by they are a work in progress above? | 21:17 |
| zns | anotherjesse: are you still planning on sending an email to the ML to ask about XML? Seems like that idea has been abandoned if we're merging in an hour? | 21:17 |
| anotherjesse | jaypipes: yes, as soon as mtaylor & termie are done with the merge prop we will send an email with - summary of open issues (xml, ldap), how to try it out (devstack branch), ... | 21:17 |
| anotherjesse | zns: YEP! | 21:17 |
| zns | anotherjesse: k. tx. | 21:18 |
| jaypipes | anotherjesse: thx on email. that will be appreciated. | 21:18 |
| anotherjesse | zns: proposing to merge in an hour, not merging … the community can review −1 or −2 requiring xml | 21:18 |
| zns | anotherjesse: excellent. Thanks. | 21:18 |
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| jaypipes | anotherjesse: had a question offline... about Swift + Keystone. Could you elaborate on what you meant by they are a work in progress above? | 21:18 |
| anotherjesse | jaypipes: keystone + swift has been the slowest for us (as a community) to get working well together | 21:19 |
| anotherjesse | hence the volume of questions about key+swift on the mailing list | 21:20 |
| johnpur | anotherjesse: are there issues with keystone and swift 1.4.6? | 21:20 |
| anotherjesse | johnpur: I don't think the issues have been with the projects, but the middleware & documentation | 21:20 |
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| devcamcar | which is funny since swift was the only project that supported multiple auth middlewares from the get go | 21:21 |
| jaypipes | anotherjesse: I think what johnpur is looking for is whether the issues are real blockers to implementing Swift with a Keystone API-compatible identiity layer. | 21:21 |
| johnpur | anotherjesse: thx. jaypipes: yes! | 21:22 |
| anotherjesse | I know devstack has been putting the two together for months now, | 21:22 |
| anotherjesse | https://github.com/cloudbuilders/devstack/blob/master/stackrc#L10 <- for instance we've been working on the middleware here | 21:22 |
| jaypipes | aha. | 21:22 |
| anotherjesse | johnpur: chmouel has been working on it from our side | 21:22 |
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| jaypipes | anotherjesse: to be clear, then, redux and KSL has had no influence on the Swift + Keystone stuff? These issues existed prior? | 21:23 |
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| anotherjesse | jaypipes: correct | 21:23 |
| jaypipes | anotherjesse: k, thx | 21:23 |
| anotherjesse | jaypipes: the contract between services haven't changed | 21:23 |
| jaypipes | just want to understand completely. | 21:23 |
| anotherjesse | so this was a pre-existing issue that folks from swift + rcb (and others) are working on | 21:23 |
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| jaypipes | alrighty. OK, does anyone have any Keystone stuff to bring up? | 21:24 |
| jaypipes | #action anotherjesse to send post to ML after redux is merged into trunk explaining its impact | 21:24 |
| jaypipes | vishy: you're on deck. | 21:24 |
| vishy | k | 21:25 |
| jaypipes | alrighty, on to Nova. | 21:25 |
| jaypipes | #topic Nova Status | 21:25 |
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| jaypipes | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/essex-4 | 21:25 |
| anotherjesse | johnpur: an email to the openstack list would probably be good to clear up questions. Sicne if you have questions about keystone+swift I'm sure others do as well | 21:25 |
| jaypipes | vishy: looking at #link above, looking pretty good for E4. | 21:26 |
| johnpur | anotherjesse: +1 | 21:26 |
| vishy | agreed | 21:26 |
| vishy | there are three outstanding FFes | 21:26 |
| jaypipes | vishy: the two Blocked blueprints, any update on those? | 21:26 |
| jaypipes | vishy: is the keystone export blocked on redux I assume? | 21:26 |
| vishy | If they aren't merged by next week, I'm going to push them | 21:26 |
| jaypipes | same with depr auth? | 21:26 |
| zul | i need another +1 for the lxc block support btw | 21:27 |
| vishy | jaypipes: they are blocked waiting for redux | 21:27 |
| jaypipes | vishy: gotcha | 21:27 |
| vishy | zul: post link | 21:27 |
| zul | https://review.openstack.org/#change,3609 | 21:27 |
| vishy | so the netapp driver and zeromq both have outstanding changes needed | 21:27 |
| vishy | zul: that was previously approved and failed a pep8, so just needs a rubber stamp | 21:28 |
| vishy | the big question is the zones code | 21:28 |
| jaypipes | vishy: before discussing zones, how about the libvirt/KVM one from nati2_ ? https://review.openstack.org/#change,3477 | 21:28 |
| vishy | oh has that not merged yet? | 21:29 |
| jaypipes | vishy: looks like that one was pretty far along in reviews? | 21:29 |
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| vishy | jaypipes: yeah that should make it | 21:29 |
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| vishy | there was one outstanding issue. I thought it had been handled but not quite yet | 21:30 |
| jaypipes | vishy: ok, well looks like that should be able to get in shortly. let's discuss the zones, then, eh? | 21:30 |
| jaypipes | comstud: around? | 21:30 |
| comstud | jaypipes: yep | 21:30 |
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| jaypipes | comstud: update on the zones stuff? | 21:30 |
| jaypipes | or vishy .. | 21:30 |
| vishy | so the code is in review | 21:31 |
| vishy | the concern is whether it is too broad | 21:31 |
| vishy | I looked over it and the core changes are relatively minor | 21:31 |
| vishy | a couple database migrations adding new fields | 21:31 |
| nati2_ | Yes I have fixed version on my laptop | 21:31 |
| nati2_ | After testing it, I'll do review request again | 21:31 |
| jaypipes | nati2_: k, thx | 21:31 |
| comstud | 1 of the migrations is to the zones table itself | 21:31 |
| vishy | and a few changes in compute.api | 21:32 |
| comstud | the other migration is 1 column added to instances | 21:32 |
| vishy | IMO these are fine to go in | 21:32 |
| vishy | the rest of the code is all separate | 21:32 |
| comstud | the compute.api change is just moving code into a separate method | 21:32 |
| vishy | so here is what i'm thinking | 21:32 |
| vishy | comstud: can you split into two patches? | 21:32 |
| comstud | there's an openstack API change regarding network cache | 21:32 |
| vishy | one with core changes and the second with all of the added stuff? | 21:32 |
| comstud | I can.. if you want nova/zones/* a separate patch | 21:33 |
| comstud | yeah | 21:33 |
| vishy | lets get the core stuff in right away | 21:33 |
| comstud | that's easy | 21:33 |
| vishy | then the other stuff can go in if necessary | 21:33 |
| vishy | we just have to make sure that we let people know that the feature is expiremental | 21:33 |
| markwash | I have a few questions about getting this in | 21:33 |
| comstud | so, the instance migration is a part of the core ? | 21:33 |
| jaypipes | do we have updates to documentation that are needed for this? cc annegentle | 21:33 |
| comstud | zones migration is 2nd patch or 1st? | 21:33 |
| vishy | comstud: I would do the migrations in the first | 21:33 |
| comstud | good | 21:34 |
| jaypipes | markwash: pls do speak up :) | 21:34 |
| annegentle | jaypipes: there's no doc that I know of | 21:34 |
| comstud | there's some documentation in the nova code base itself | 21:34 |
| vishy | we need to remove all of the references to the old zones code | 21:34 |
| comstud | which gets removed in the 'zone removal' branch | 21:34 |
| jaypipes | comstud: no, I was referring to docs in doc/source | 21:34 |
| markwash | so #1, I'm wondering if the motivation for getting this in is really there if it is experimental and no one is presently extensively functional testing it | 21:34 |
| comstud | vishy: done. in sandy's branch | 21:34 |
| vishy | comstud: good | 21:34 |
| jaypipes | markwash: excellent question. | 21:35 |
| markwash | maybe it is, I dont know as much about the deployers who want it in essex | 21:35 |
| annegentle | comstud: one concern I had was the name change in the code - everything's now named zones. It's like a big barrier to understanding to begin with, to me. | 21:35 |
| markwash | rackspace of course is not limited to letter releases | 21:35 |
| jaypipes | annegentle: ++ | 21:35 |
| annegentle | comstud: "name change" I mean is it zones | 21:35 |
| vishy | markwash: the 2nd patch can wait for folsom afaic | 21:35 |
| comstud | annegentle: we may want to leave it 'zones' for essex to make it easier | 21:35 |
| jaypipes | comstud: I think that is a good idea. | 21:36 |
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| vishy | markwash: but the code will hard to maintain separately otherwise | 21:36 |
| markwash | comstud: I definitely think zones is confusing, but I also think changing it could be more confusing at the moment | 21:36 |
| comstud | markwash: nod | 21:36 |
| markwash | edit: the name "zones" | 21:36 |
| vishy | markwash: so FFeing the minor core changes to make it work seems fine | 21:36 |
| comstud | markwash: i don't want to change it on a whim | 21:36 |
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| vishy | markwash: as for the new code, it could go in a branch | 21:36 |
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| comstud | vishy: I can live with that.. I'm going to change a FLAG name to match the new branch, also, though. FLAGS. | 21:37 |
| comstud | FLAGS.enable_zone_routing -> FLAGS.enable_zones | 21:37 |
| vishy | comstud: that seems fine | 21:37 |
| markwash | what are we considering "core" in the change, again? | 21:37 |
| vishy | db migrations | 21:37 |
| markwash | ah, okay | 21:37 |
| vishy | api change to network cache | 21:37 |
| comstud | markwash: the 2 DB migrations, the minor change to OS API for network cache, and I moved some code in compute.api into a new method | 21:38 |
| vishy | minor change to compute api (which is just better error recovery) | 21:38 |
| vishy | you cool with that plan markwash? | 21:38 |
| markwash | I like that better, I'm still curious about whether or not the deployers clamoring for this really want an experimental implementation | 21:38 |
| markwash | I'm sort of playing devils advocate on the "experimental" thing | 21:39 |
| vishy | markwash: the main one is mercadolibre | 21:39 |
| vishy | markwash: and their other option is to write something themselves | 21:39 |
| vishy | which isn't good for anyone | 21:40 |
| vishy | but they said they were happy experimenting using a branch | 21:40 |
| comstud | i don't have a problem keeping a branch updated for a couple months until F opens | 21:40 |
| markwash | so we might basically collaborate with them on the branch? | 21:40 |
| comstud | the DB migrations are my main concern about keeping it working | 21:40 |
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| vishy | that was the hope yeah | 21:41 |
| jaypipes | comstud: yes, but if the mirgations are done in patch 1 (and into trunk branch), then things are good, right? | 21:41 |
| comstud | jaypipes: Yep, that solves my issue | 21:41 |
| markwash | I like this plan. The core changes seem like a good foundation for us to continue to build out and prove the zones implementation | 21:41 |
| jaypipes | then I think that makes the most sense | 21:41 |
| anotherjesse | comstud: if we kept the branch open until F, would we still remove the existing zone stuff? | 21:41 |
| comstud | anotherjesse: sounds like it (the existing stuff) should stay in essex | 21:42 |
| markwash | I think removing existing zones adds a fair performance gain to the api | 21:42 |
| vishy | :( | 21:42 |
| comstud | alhtough | 21:42 |
| comstud | i'd really love to remove it ;) | 21:42 |
| vishy | i really don't want people using the zones stuff if we are trashing it | 21:42 |
| markwash | and a good deal of complexity removed from the codebase | 21:42 |
| anotherjesse | comstud: can we "remove" it by removing the API (not the code) | 21:42 |
| comstud | vishy: Good to hear.. I'd love to remove it | 21:43 |
| anotherjesse | I agree with vishy: having people deploy it in F would mean we would have to support it | 21:43 |
| comstud | it cleans things up considerably | 21:43 |
| comstud | s/F/E/? | 21:43 |
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| vishy | ok to summarize | 21:43 |
| vishy | 1) remove old zones code (approve sandy's branch) | 21:43 |
| vishy | 2) comstud splits core changes out of his patch and proposes | 21:44 |
| vishy | 3) FFe for comstud's branch | 21:44 |
| vishy | 4) added zones code goes into a separate branch | 21:44 |
| anotherjesse | 5) critical bug update python-novaclient to remove zone stuff? | 21:44 |
| anotherjesse | (or at least hide it) | 21:45 |
| jaypipes | anotherjesse: ++ | 21:45 |
| comstud | remove it.. most of it will be not needed in new version | 21:45 |
| comstud | s/most/all/ | 21:45 |
| vishy | agreed | 21:45 |
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| comstud | I will be re-adding a zones extension, but it'll provide some different functionality | 21:46 |
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| anotherjesse | vishy / comstud - need to alert Anne / doc team to remove zone from docs (if it was ever doc'd) | 21:46 |
| jaypipes | k, vishy would you mind sending a short post to the ML summarizing the above and the outlined steps that are to be taken? | 21:46 |
| jaypipes | vishy: of course, emphasizing that we're doing this to ensure long-term stability of the code base for service deployers, etc... | 21:47 |
| markwash | this all sounds great to me | 21:47 |
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| annegentle | anotherjesse: really doc's all in the code, so far, but we could make it a priority for Doc Day if needed | 21:47 |
| vishy | jaypipes no problem | 21:48 |
| jaypipes | cheers | 21:48 |
| jaypipes | vishy: k, any other things you'd like to highlight in Nova-land before we move on? | 21:48 |
| jaypipes | devcamcar: you're on deck... | 21:48 |
| jaypipes | alrighty, onwards to Horizon... | 21:49 |
| jaypipes | #topic Horizon Status | 21:49 |
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| jaypipes | devcamcar: ping | 21:49 |
| devcamcar | o/ | 21:49 |
| jaypipes | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/essex-4 | 21:50 |
| jaypipes | devcamcar: status report? | 21:50 |
| devcamcar | so we are moving right along - today we want to take a moment and talk about design in general | 21:50 |
| devcamcar | paul tashima has been working on the human interaction guidelines which outlines general design decisions that the community has made | 21:50 |
| devcamcar | paul want to jump in? | 21:50 |
| PaulTashima | sure | 21:50 |
| PaulTashima | so we are currently trying to formulate the best way to create a process for design for the openstack project | 21:51 |
| PaulTashima | the current idea can be viewed here: http://bit.ly/zjbuFQ | 21:51 |
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| PaulTashima | to help implement this process we've been working on the human interface guidelines doc to create evaluation criteria | 21:51 |
| PaulTashima | https://github.com/4P/Horizon-HIG | 21:51 |
| PaulTashima | we also have the current dashboard model documented (though slightly out of date): http://bit.ly/vgMmiA | 21:52 |
| devcamcar | our goal with all of this is so that other teams can help contribute to horizon and make sure their projects are well represented | 21:52 |
| annegentle | devcamcar: ++ | 21:52 |
| PaulTashima | yeah, hopefully this process will unify the user experience for openstack | 21:53 |
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| jaypipes | nice stuff, guys! | 21:53 |
| PaulTashima | feel free to provide any kind of feedback on this stuff | 21:53 |
| devcamcar | and for us to not be the bottleneck for design - this way we can set the foundation and guidelines and make it much easier for others to jump in and know they are using the right approaches | 21:53 |
| jaypipes | PaulTashima: great start. I encourage you to share with the mailing list. | 21:53 |
| PaulTashima | cool, thanks! | 21:53 |
| devcamcar | we will definitely be getting feed back as well on ML | 21:54 |
| jaypipes | awesome. | 21:54 |
| devcamcar | any questions for us this week? | 21:54 |
| jaypipes | devcamcar: re: the E4 milestone, there are a ton of Confirmed bugs... | 21:55 |
| jaypipes | devcamcar: and a bunch of Not Started blueprints | 21:55 |
| devcamcar | jaypipes: yes there are a number that are nice to haves and not necessary for essex. i'll be re-triaging this week and moving out a few of the visual enhancements to folsom | 21:55 |
| jaypipes | devcamcar: probably good to re-target some of them to a later milestone? | 21:55 |
| devcamcar | exactly | 21:55 |
| jaypipes | devcamcar: gotcha. | 21:56 |
| devcamcar | our goal is to have a solid functioning and polished version out for essex | 21:56 |
| devcamcar | we'll add more fancy craziness for folsom | 21:56 |
| jaypipes | excellent. I noticed the testing system was overhauled today | 21:56 |
| jaypipes | looked like a good refactoring. | 21:56 |
| devcamcar | yes, a lot of effort has gone into improving test coverage in essex | 21:57 |
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| jaypipes | devcamcar: FWIW, I've created a blueprint for separating the Glance client into its own package/project. Hoping that F1 timeframe that will be done. | 21:57 |
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| jaypipes | devcamcar: that should help Horizon -- at least with dependencies and such. | 21:58 |
| devcamcar | awesome :) | 21:58 |
| jaypipes | devcamcar: and dtroyer has done an excellent job aligning all the CLIs authentication. | 21:58 |
| jaypipes | dtroyer: ty! | 21:58 |
| devcamcar | thanks dean! | 21:58 |
| devcamcar | horizon is the team that gets to find all the discrepencies in how all the clients work | 21:59 |
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| devcamcar | so that is always appreciated | 21:59 |
| jaypipes | OK, on a final note, I'm not sure about the status of the design summit. I believe ttx will be sending a note out in the next week or so explaining the invitation process and any changes from Boston that have occurred. | 21:59 |
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| jaypipes | Our little community has grown quite a bit, and there is only so much room at the design summit, so I expect there will be some disappointments as far as how many folks can actually go. But, c'est la vie with a growing project such as ours. | 22:00 |
| jaypipes | Alright everyone, time to wrap up. See you on the ML. | 22:01 |
| jaypipes | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 14 22:01:13 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-02-14-21.00.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-02-14-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-02-14-21.00.log.html | 22:01 |
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| devcamcar | later all | 22:01 |
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| danwent | o/ netstack | 22:02 |
| wwkeyboard | \o | 22:02 |
| salv-orlando | salv here. Hello everybody. | 22:02 |
| wwkeyboard | danwent: sorry about the confusion yesterday, | 22:02 |
| danwent | wwkeyboard: phew, for a second i thought I was by myself :) | 22:02 |
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| danwent | wwkeyboard: no worries | 22:02 |
| wwkeyboard | before we start, could someone with core +2 that patch? | 22:02 |
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| danwent | that patch has lots of reviews, we just need some nova core devs to +2 | 22:03 |
| wwkeyboard | I think jason and I have some more testing we want to follow that | 22:03 |
| danwent | we should figure out a why that someone can be a core dev for the network portion of the nova code.... | 22:03 |
| danwent | wwkeyboard: awesome | 22:03 |
| danwent | #startmeeting | 22:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 14 22:03:35 2012 UTC. The chair is danwent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 22:03 |
| danwent | #link agenda: http://wiki.openstack.org/Network/Meetings | 22:03 |
| danwent | #info E-4 branch point is only one week out: Feb 21st | 22:04 |
| danwent | I'm extremely nervous about how much proposed work there is | 22:04 |
| salv-orlando | I am scared by the plugins | 22:04 |
| danwent | https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/essex-4 | 22:05 |
| salv-orlando | they are growing on a daily basis :) | 22:05 |
| danwent | salv: yeah. real concern is that plugin code grows while team of core people who review plugin code does not :( | 22:05 |
| GheRivero_ | how many plugins can we count now? | 22:05 |
| danwent | hopefully we can get more people to join the core team, contributing beyond plugins. | 22:06 |
| GheRivero_ | 6-7? | 22:06 |
| wwkeyboard | Should we try to pull the plugin code out of core? | 22:06 |
| salv-orlando | 3 in, 3 in review | 22:06 |
| danwent | still just 3 merged. | 22:06 |
| salv-orlando | I mean 3 in trunk - 3 under review | 22:06 |
| wwkeyboard | and just provide a set of tests that a plugin must conform to? | 22:06 |
| GheRivero_ | love it :) | 22:06 |
| danwent | wwkeyboard: its definitely possible to not be merged into core and things will run just fine | 22:06 |
| danwent | there are several people who do this already, I believe :) | 22:07 |
| wwkeyboard | indeed :) | 22:07 |
| danwent | at the same time, having plugins in the core repo help people contribute and improve them. | 22:07 |
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| mandeep | more plugin just indicate wider adoption of quantum | 22:07 |
| danwent | mandeep: I agree | 22:07 |
| danwent | its definitely my goal to get a healthy set of plugins into the quantum code base | 22:08 |
| wwkeyboard | mandeep: +1, but it also puts a burdon on the core quantum code | 22:08 |
| danwent | they also serve as examples to future plugin writers | 22:08 |
| mandeep | And by design plugin do not destabalize the code base, since they only "exist" if enabled | 22:08 |
| danwent | mandeep: I worry that an argument like that is an argument for a code base with a lot of lightly reviewed, low quality code. | 22:09 |
| danwent | we need to make sure plugins are reviewed | 22:09 |
| mandeep | Sorry if that was how it spounded | 22:09 |
| danwent | mandeep: no worries :) | 22:09 |
| danwent | didn't mean to be critical, only explaining the root of my concerns | 22:10 |
| wwkeyboard | Sorry to derail the meeting, maybe this would be better handled on the ML? | 22:10 |
| mandeep | I agree that plugins need review, ... just that they allow us to move faster without destabalizing the trunk | 22:10 |
| wwkeyboard | We have a lot of points to consider | 22:10 |
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| danwent | its a balance between getting more plugins to show adoption, and building the core team to support owning the larger codebase | 22:10 |
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| salv-orlando | Most of the times reviewing is no more harder than read-proofing a document, but it still takes time, especially with larger patches, as reviewers have to figure out what the code does. | 22:10 |
| mandeep | I understand | 22:11 |
| danwent | wwkeyboard: I'm fine with that. I don't mean to say that we can't merge all of these plugins, only that the review load will be high, and I want to make sure we don't repeat the mistake of E-3 where were were reviewing code until the last minute, and didn't have enough time to be testing quantum prior to the release. | 22:11 |
| danwent | Ok, to the ML | 22:11 |
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| danwent | I want to make sure we talk about the non-plugin changes for E-4 | 22:12 |
| danwent | so they aren't overlooked | 22:12 |
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| danwent | first, salv, v1.1 client changes? | 22:12 |
| salv-orlando | Working on them right now | 22:12 |
| danwent | salv: btw, I apologize, still have a half written response to your email about client unit tests. | 22:12 |
| salv-orlando | I expect to commit code on friday at least for supporting error codes and changes for operational status | 22:13 |
| salv-orlando | danwent: no worries. | 22:13 |
| danwent | salv: great | 22:13 |
| danwent | salv: on unit tests, I suspect that mocking out the server is a fair amount of work, so for the time being I don't see a problem with requiring the server to run client unit tests. | 22:13 |
| danwent | you'll always have to worry about the case when the server mock differs from the server anyway. | 22:13 |
| salv-orlando | danwent: agreed. | 22:14 |
| danwent | ok, let's stick with that for now. | 22:14 |
| salv-orlando | I will send an email to the mailing concerning filter specification on the CLI (something that as far as I can see not even python-novaclient does) | 22:14 |
| danwent | salv: yeah, quatum's ahead of the game :) good work salv | 22:14 |
| danwent | at some point I'd like to give the client better arg parsing capabilities, similar to what python-novaclient does | 22:15 |
| bhall | yes that would be nice | 22:15 |
| danwent | but I suspect that this is more work than we have time for in E-4, unless you were already viewing that as a requirement for adding filters | 22:15 |
| salv-orlando | agreed but recent feedback (see blogs, twitter) suggest on the client side priority should be given to horizon support | 22:16 |
| danwent | interesting… hadn't heard that, but seems reasonable. | 22:16 |
| danwent | we'll get to horizon later in the agenda | 22:17 |
| danwent | Next topic: ryu controller plugin | 22:17 |
| danwent | https://review.openstack.org/3618 | 22:17 |
| danwent | this poor guy has been sitting in review for weeks now. | 22:17 |
| danwent | I will give first round of reviews tonight | 22:17 |
| danwent | since this patch breaks code out of openvswitch plugin to a shared dir | 22:18 |
| danwent | one point of feedback I wanted to ask the team | 22:18 |
| danwent | does it make sense to have one large "common" directory in quantum/plugins, or several more specific "common-X" directories? | 22:18 |
| danwent | their patch has an "openvswitch-common" dir I believe, but I was thinking more along the lines of a single common dir, that we tell packages to always include with every plugin. | 22:19 |
| somik | I prefer Apache commons style with one large common dir | 22:19 |
| mandeep | I agree | 22:19 |
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| danwent | ok, sounds good. will give that feedback as part of review. | 22:19 |
| danwent | its worth noting that we also have several reviews languishing on gerrit: https://review.openstack.org/#q,status:open+project:openstack/quantum,n,z | 22:20 |
| danwent | including some bug fixes from Salv, and a build fix from Monty. | 22:20 |
| danwent | if you have time to knock out a few of these, it will clear some pipeline for the rush at the end. | 22:21 |
| danwent | NVP plugin: bhall, is this close to being reviewed? | 22:21 |
| bhall | danwent: getting there | 22:22 |
| danwent | Ok, by thursday? | 22:22 |
| bhall | yeah, sounds likely | 22:22 |
| danwent | k, great | 22:23 |
| danwent | is debo-os here? | 22:23 |
| danwent | does anyone know status of quantum excercise script in devstack? | 22:24 |
| danwent | would be nice to have people using that to validate changes when doing E-4 reviews | 22:24 |
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| danwent | #action #danwent contact #debo-os about progress integrating quantum script into devstack | 22:24 |
| danwent | Ok, quantum manager unit tests are still in review in nova: https://review.openstack.org/3858 | 22:25 |
| danwent | lots of +1s, but we're looking for some final +2 from nova core devs | 22:25 |
| danwent | wwkeyboard: any chance we're going to get melange coverage soon? | 22:25 |
| wwkeyboard | danwent: I have no idea whats up with that. | 22:26 |
| wwkeyboard | I think jkoelker just added support for melange, but no special devstack tests | 22:26 |
| danwent | I think we need to stub out melange like we did for quantum. currently the code coverage for the melange portion of quantum manager is quite low. | 22:26 |
| danwent | wwkeyboard: sorry, I was talking about unit tests in nova | 22:27 |
| wwkeyboard | Tests for the melange_ipam_lib? | 22:27 |
| danwent | yeah | 22:27 |
| jkoelker | wwkeyboard yea melange support is in devstack, still needs some love with configuring ip policies so it doesn't hand out the broadcast | 22:27 |
| jkoelker | no excersice scripts yet, kinda waiting to see if we all go, devstack2 or not | 22:28 |
| danwent | jkoelker: maybe create a wiki page with how to enable, or update the Quantum devstack wiki page? | 22:28 |
| danwent | http://wiki.openstack.org/QuantumDevstack | 22:29 |
| jkoelker | danwent: I'll update the Quantum on, you just put m-svc and melange in your ENABLED_SERVICES | 22:29 |
| danwent | sounds simple enough. thx. | 22:29 |
| danwent | ok, is mjfork here? | 22:30 |
| mjfork | yes | 22:30 |
| danwent | I know nebula folks are hoping to do some quick clean-up of horizon + quantum integration | 22:30 |
| danwent | but clock is really ticking on e-4 | 22:30 |
| danwent | mjfork: any update on plans? | 22:31 |
| danwent | what is state of horizon branch-point/freeze? | 22:31 |
| mjfork | i have code here that is shuold be ready for review | 22:31 |
| danwent | sweet | 22:31 |
| mjfork | I will read up on the gerrit workflow and get it submitted | 22:31 |
| danwent | a horizon review, I assume? | 22:31 |
| mjfork | yes. the template used for selecting multiple networks was the edit rules support | 22:32 |
| danwent | mjfork: sure. feel free to ping netstack list if you have problems with workflow (or the main OS list) | 22:32 |
| mjfork | will do. i may work on that a bit later. | 22:33 |
| danwent | mjfork: k, great. when you push the review, maybe drop a note to netstack list, as most of us won't get email for a horizon review | 22:33 |
| mjfork | danwent: ok. | 22:33 |
| danwent | An not to side-track things again, but as I mentioned, two new plugin proposals: | 22:33 |
| danwent | https://github.com/locaweb/quantum | 22:33 |
| danwent | Locaweb contacted me last week. Still haven't had a chance to look at code in detail though. | 22:34 |
| danwent | seems to have a lot of extensions. | 22:34 |
| danwent | and is based on OVS. | 22:34 |
| danwent | Also, bigswitch: https://answers.launchpad.net/quantum/+question/187700 | 22:34 |
| salv-orlando | did they sorted the problem they were having with pushing into github? (I'm referring to locaweb) | 22:34 |
| danwent | mandeep, is that you, I believe? | 22:34 |
| salv-orlando | sorry I meant pushing into gerrit | 22:35 |
| mandeep | I am working in the bigswitch plugin | 22:35 |
| danwent | salv-orlando: I think they figured it out. They haven't pushed because I basically told them that I didn't think we'd have time to review it for E-4, so there was no rush | 22:35 |
| salv-orlando | danwent: ok | 22:35 |
| danwent | mandeep: good to have you on the team. | 22:35 |
| mandeep | danwent: thanks ... | 22:35 |
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| danwent | ping the netstack list if you need pointers on things. developer documentation needs some work (please do improve it if you have a chance) | 22:36 |
| mandeep | danwent: and now that I am on the project, I am happy to help with other bugfixes/reviews that need resources | 22:36 |
| mandeep | danwent: will do | 22:36 |
| danwent | mandeep: that would be great :) As I said, that's the best way to encourage others to review your code | 22:36 |
| mandeep | danwent: ;-) | 22:36 |
| danwent | Ok, anything else on E-4? | 22:37 |
| danwent | going to be a stickler here, as I don't want another problematic release like e-3 :) | 22:37 |
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| danwent | ok, last topic before open discussion | 22:38 |
| danwent | talked with the PPB earlier today about Quantum becoming a core project | 22:38 |
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| danwent | people were receptive, but wanted us to first come up with a concrete plan working with people from nova + melange on how quantum woudl interact with those projects moving forward | 22:39 |
| danwent | particularly on the nova front, would quantum be replacing nova-network (and if so, when). Would all network-related functionality like floating IPs, etc. move over the Quantum (and if so, when). | 22:39 |
| wwkeyboard | yea and soon? :) | 22:40 |
| danwent | I think it is likely that we will be approved (no one objected), but I think it was a good suggestion that we hash these details out first. | 22:40 |
| salv-orlando | do you have a deadline for coming back with this plan? | 22:40 |
| danwent | next tuesday :) | 22:40 |
| danwent | good thing we don't have a bunch of code to write and review between now than then :P | 22:40 |
| salv-orlando | lots of things happening next tuesday. Including Napoli playing Chelsea (not that that should bother you on the other side of the Ocean though :)) | 22:41 |
| danwent | I'm going to talk to jbryce if it seems like we need another week. | 22:41 |
| danwent | salv: sounds like you have your priorities right :) | 22:41 |
| danwent | ok, any questions about the application? | 22:41 |
| danwent | I'm going to ask vishy to help come up with a proposal that we can send out for comments. | 22:42 |
| rkukura | Is there still talk of melange becoming part of quantum? | 22:42 |
| danwent | I don't think the PPB requires that we have this entirely locked down, but that we at least have a concrete proposal that all parties can agree to. | 22:42 |
| danwent | rkukura: that's the second main question they have. | 22:43 |
| danwent | It is possible to run Quantum without Melange (using QuantumManager + Nova IPAM), but I think the goal is to have Melange + Quantum more tightly integrated (perhaps to the point of being the same project, with a shared API) | 22:43 |
| danwent | we were hoping to discuss this at the summit, but it sounds like we at least need to put the plan together soon than that. | 22:44 |
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| danwent | I think it makes sense from a tenant API perspective to have a single API, and hence to track them as largely one project. Back-end implementations should still be fairly decoupled though, in my opinion. | 22:45 |
| danwent | #topic open discussion | 22:45 |
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| danwent | anyone going to the cloud connect openstack party on wed night? | 22:45 |
| danwent | or maybe its that everyone who is going is currently attending cloud connect, and hence isn't at this meeting :) | 22:46 |
| danwent | any other open discussion? | 22:46 |
| wwkeyboard | I agree they should be more closely tied, the fractures of the data are not along the same lines we have split the services | 22:46 |
| danwent | wwkeyboard: yeah, agreed. | 22:47 |
| danwent | ok, thanks folks. Have a good week, happy hacking (and reviewing!) | 22:47 |
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| danwent | #endmeeting | 22:47 |
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| wwkeyboard | but those changes are much bigger than before Tuesday. | 22:47 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 14 22:47:36 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-02-14-22.03.html | 22:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-02-14-22.03.txt | 22:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-02-14-22.03.log.html | 22:47 |
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| danwent | wwkeyboard: yes, I think its more about having a high-level plan by tuesday. people were worried about what it meant for quantum to be core, if melange was still incubated, for example. | 22:48 |
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| wwkeyboard | Ok, | 22:48 |
| wwkeyboard | the code seems to be there to run the QuantumManager with the nova_ipam_lib, but I have not tried it | 22:49 |
| danwent | the exact details of how the APIs might merge would be something we could talk about at the summit. the plan that they should merge is something that we should at least propose for next tuesday | 22:49 |
| danwent | wwkeyboard: yeah, that is mostly how I run QuantumManager, as until the devstack integraiton of Melange, it was much easier than manually setting up Melange. | 22:50 |
| danwent | nova ipam has lots of limitations though, so its not the right long-term approach | 22:50 |
| danwent | and I'd prefer to limit the degress to which we have to support both IPAM approaches | 22:50 |
| danwent | my original goal was to remove support for nova IPAM lib by the end of folsom, in favor of melange. | 22:51 |
| wwkeyboard | I agree with that, having only one would simplify those interfaces. | 22:52 |
| wwkeyboard | and be sufficient until we have to move to IPv8 | 22:52 |
| danwent | :) | 22:52 |
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