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heckjo/ ... Going to be unavailable for keystone mtg today.17:58
heckjTraveling - will pop back into IRC later tonight17:58
joesavakanything you want me to mention?17:59
heckjRc1 cut - we'll back port critical bugs. Raise issues & test!!!17:59
dolphmyay for testing18:00
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dolphmmeeting successful.18:00
joesavak#open-meeting keystone18:01
joesavak#start-meeting keystone18:01
joesavakurg. I can't remember the cmds18:01
joesavak#startmeeting keystone18:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 27 18:01:56 2012 UTC.  The chair is joesavak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:01
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joesavakAgenda: #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting18:02
joesavak#topic status & progress18:02
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joesavakPer heckj - RC1 was cut and critical bugs will be back-ported18:03
joesavakNeed testing & any issues raised asap18:03
joesavak#topic high priority bugs18:03
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joesavakany major bugs or issues anyone wants to discuss?18:04
joesavak#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone18:04
joesavakI saw #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/957359 come through today -18:06
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 957359 in keystone "passlib segfaults when keystone is sent a large password" [High,In progress]18:06
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joesavak#topic open discussion18:07
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dolphmyay for testing18:08
joesavakanything, anyone? Folsom?18:08
dolphmwhen can we do RC2?18:08
joesavakget it in before the general meeting and maybe thierry won't notice. ;)18:08
joesavak<being serious now> is there a need for RC218:09
joesavakif so, what bugs would you work?18:09
joesavakand why can't those bugs wait until folsom-1?18:09
dolphmthere's stuff in merge prop that i think should be in essex18:09
dolphmand maybe doc updates18:10
joesavakwhat stuff?18:10
dolphmjoesavak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/96305618:10
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 963056 in keystone "Object references not validated (returning 500 instead of 404)" [Medium,In progress]18:10
joesavakheckj would have to comment #action heckj to review https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/963056 to see if it should be a rc218:12
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 963056 in keystone "Object references not validated (returning 500 instead of 404)" [Medium,In progress]18:12
joesavaki'm not sure how much a window we have left either.18:12
dolphmthat's my concern18:12
dolphmi know nova hit rc2 recently18:12
joesavakessex release is next week18:13
joesavakdoes heckj know about this?18:13
joesavakor termie?18:13
dolphmi think heckj has poked at them, and termie is dreading review the whole series18:14
dolphmbcwaldon wants to move all the validation i wrote into the backends, which is fine, but would take more work -- so i proposed this series so we have a fix on hand18:15
joesavakrc2 makes sense to me for ciritcal things - things absolutely needed for essex. Maybe your work can be rolled into folsom-118:15
dolphmjoesavak: but then essex will make people sad18:16
dolphmuser experience is critical :)18:17
joesavaka medium priority bug would make people sad? It is - maybe it should be a critical bug. ;)18:17
dolphmi was conservative18:17
dolphmit's like a giant pile of medium priority bugs18:17
dolphmwhich keep coming in and i keep having to mark as dupes18:18
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joesavakok - lets raise in the keystone section of the general meeting today and get input from the masses - see if it should be fixed or pushed to folsom18:18
dolphmbug 966261, bug 956417, etc18:18
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 966261 in keystone "500 error on deleting a non-existing user (dup-of: 963056)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96626118:18
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 963056 in keystone "Object references not validated (returning 500 instead of 404)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96305618:18
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 956417 in keystone "PUT /users/ADMIN/OS-KSADM/password  - AttributeError (dup-of: 963056)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95641718:18
dolphmjoesavak: cool18:18
joesavakalirght. Anything esle?18:19
dolphmyay for testing (?)18:19
joesavakyay for testing!18:19
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LinuxJedimtaylor: CI meeting?19:02
ttxsounds about right19:03
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LinuxJedihey mtaylor19:09
sorenIt's like being back in school. We had this "academic quarter (of an hour)" at the beginning of the day.. If the schedule said the first class was at 8, noone (particularly professors) would turn up before 8:15.19:09
mtaylorI got sucked in to an argument about why defaulting to natting servers is a bad thing19:09
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LinuxJedilol, good argument to have :)19:09
sorenmtaylor: patches or it didn't happen19:09
LinuxJedihehe :)19:09
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mtaylorsoren: sigh19:11
LinuxJedi[17:47:35] <jeblair> i have to miss the CI team meeting today. :/19:12
LinuxJedi[17:48:17] <jeblair> but basically, i'm planning on putting the new version of the devstack-gate scripts into production later today, when things are quiet.19:12
mtaylorthat's what jeblair has been working on19:12
mtaylorhe and I had a great meeting with adrian cole yesterday about the jclouds jenkins plugin19:12
mtaylorwe have the first steps working19:15
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sorenI can't help but wonder if this should live in a separate project.19:16
mtaylorshould be feature complete in a few weeks enough to move devstack gating stuff to it19:16
mtaylorwe hope19:16
mtaylorsoren: what do you mean?19:16
sorenI.e. some external scheduling thingamajig that keeps a number of cloud instances around.19:17
soren...and Jenkins could ask that for a fresh instance (which it will have ready to go based on some configuration and some clever heuristics or whatever).19:17
sorenInstead of having all that logic in Jenkins.19:17
sorenIt seems like something that would be more generally useful.19:18
mtaylorthat's what's happening19:18
sorenSorry, just thinking out loud. It can start its life as a Jenkins plugin just fine.19:18
sorenIt's just a thought for later.19:18
mtaylorit's not starting its life as a jenkins plugin :)19:18
mtaylorjclouds is a java library that knows how to talk to clouds19:19
mtaylorall of the pooling logic and image caching logic will actually live inside of jclouds19:19
LinuxJediso do I if I smoke the funny stuff19:19
mtaylorand jenkins will just be able to use that19:19
sorenI thought jclouds was like libcloud, but for Java.19:19
mtayloryes. it's just 100x better19:19
sorenI don't think libcloud has any ambition to grow scheduling capabilities. :)19:20
mtaylorso - let me restarte19:20
mtaylorwell, no, I think I said it right19:20
mtaylorjclouds wants to know about pooling, because a common use case amongst folks doing multi-cloud bursting is wanting to have available nodes ready to use19:21
mtaylorit's something that's been asked for by a bunch of their users19:21
mtayloralso, they've got a cacheing feature that we're going to extend a little bit19:21
mtaylorthat will allow you to describe the qualities of a node you'd like, and it will transparently create taht thing, and then create image snapshots of that thing so that the next time you ask for something matching those characteristics, it can spin one up cased on the image19:22
mtaylorboth of those are things we manage right now in devstack-gate ourselves, but will be intrinsic to jclouds, so we'll get them for free on all of our cloud images19:23
mtaylorthat we spin up inside of jenkins19:23
mtaylorwhich will be exciting - and should mean that we can easily spin up new types of nodes for things without having to re-engineer the caching and pooling each time19:24
mtaylorother than that - that's all I had19:28
LinuxJedimtaylor: want me to cover my bits?19:29
mtaylorLinuxJedi: yes please19:30
LinuxJediok, so, as most of you have probably seen, the theming of Gerrit and Jenkins is now live19:30
LinuxJedihad a few fixes from various people too via. gerrit which is really cool19:30
LinuxJediin other news paste was hit with 15000 spam entires.  I've fixed the anti-spam and cleared out the spam that was there, I may have accidentally deleted one or two real entries so if anything important is missing let me know19:31
mtayloryay spam!19:32
LinuxJediI've been working on a Jenkins Jobs filler in puppet19:32
LinuxJediif you give it a list of projects it will automatically create all our standard Jenkins jobs19:32
LinuxJediit is based on blocks of XML so should be very easy to modify19:32
LinuxJediit is in puppet now and the first project to use it should be up soon19:33
LinuxJedi(that being RedDwarf on StackForge)19:33
LinuxJediI also did some other things like update docs, start a template for a new Stackforge site, redesign the Stackforge logo (not live yet), etc... but none of that is really important19:34
LinuxJediI think that is about all I have19:34
mtaylorswet. I will review all of your stuff soon19:35
LinuxJedimtaylor: one thing I wanted to ask you about is monitoring.  CI are getting a lot of servers on our hands now and something (Nagios or something?) would be nice19:35
LinuxJediespecially in light of the build6 failure19:35
mtaylorLinuxJedi: funny story - we set one up a while ago but haven't really done much with it19:35
mtaylorLinuxJedi: ping jeblair about that when he gets back online19:36
LinuxJedimtaylor: ah, I noticed there was SNMP stuff going on and did wonder19:36
LinuxJediwill do19:36
mtaylorLinuxJedi: there are a bunch more of us now - that should probably be something that we do more with19:36
LinuxJedioh yea, we have 2 new guys joining the CI team very soon19:36
mtaylor(possibly three)19:37
LinuxJedieven better :)19:37
mtaylorby ODS, we should havea  bunch of people working on this bad boy19:37
LinuxJediand mtaylor will be a very busy manager ;)19:37
* mtaylor already doesn't do anything useful19:38
LinuxJedisure you do, you break stuff so we have work to do ;)19:38
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* mtaylor tries to spread the live19:38
LinuxJedihehe :)19:38
LinuxJediso, yea.  I don't think I have much else19:39
mtaylorok - I'd like to run if nobody else has anything19:39
carlpmtaylor: when you have a moment, I have a question for you19:39
mtaylorcarlp: cool - I'll ping you in 10?19:40
carlpmtaylor: perfect19:40
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dolphmis general meeting now or in an hour?20:00
dolphmjk0: thanks20:00
jk0no ppb meeting today?20:01
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ttxjk0: nope20:05
ttxProject/Release meeting in 55min20:05
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ttxjaypipes, vishy, devcamcar: around ?21:00
bcwaldonttx: I've got glance under control today21:00
jaypipesttx: bcwaldon will lead21:00
ttxack. devcamcar will probably join us in flight, let's start21:01
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ttxToday's agenda: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting21:01
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ttx#topic Keystone status21:01
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ttxheckj: o/21:01
heckjRC1 cut! Yeah!!!21:01
ttxyes, and no RC2 planned yet21:02
ttx#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bugs?field.tag=essex-rc-potential21:02
ttx11 bugs on the essex-rc-potential list21:02
heckjNo RC2 focused, although some bugs that were tagged essex-potential may be backported into milestone-proposed before the cut21:02
heckjttx: yep21:02
dolphmi'd like to see that happen21:02
ttxheckj: so nothing in there that warrants a respin at this point ?21:02
ttxsoren: could you confirm bug 960977 is invalid (see comment before last) ?21:02
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 960977 in keystone "Can't create user" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96097721:02
heckjdolphm +1 - especially the swifth auth pieces21:03
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ttxAnyone has a Keystone issue they think should be fixed in Essex ?21:03
heckjSo call for #help - please test, please use it - and help point out places where docs need to be updated21:03
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dolphmand i'd like to see a solution for bug 963056 land in essex (just a big UX issue)21:03
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 963056 in keystone "Object references not validated (returning 500 instead of 404)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96305621:03
sorenttx: No.21:03
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sorenttx: Someone with a clue about keystone should. I have no way to tell if gongysh is correct.21:04
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ttxheckj, dolphm ^21:04
sorenSomething's definitely up. user-create has a --tenant_id option. What's it for, if not for this?21:04
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annegentleheckj: I see there are API doc updates, do you think the API doc is in good shape now?21:05
dolphmi'll follow up on bug 96097721:05
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 960977 in keystone "Can't create user" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96097721:05
sorendolphm: Wicked, thanks21:05
heckjannegentle: I haven't read through them thorough to know yet21:05
heckjthanks dolphm!21:05
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ttxheckj: note that we'll need an RC2 if you want to include more fixes before the final cut. The "final cut" is actually just a promotion (take RCx and make it the release).21:06
ttxheckj: So what are your plans ? Keep RC1 unless something critical is discovered ? Or do an RC2 later this week ?21:06
heckjttx: so the process to get those tagged ones in to to make another RC and then target those bugs to RC2 and backport those?21:06
dolphmttx: can rc2 happen whenever we want?21:06
heckjttx: I'm rather looking to you for process here - what's the right way to do this to land some additional fixes in before the release21:07
ttxdolphm: yes21:07
ttxheckj: so fixes must land in master (Folsom) first, for the usual review.21:07
ttxheckj: then at some point we open an RC2 list and target bugs to it21:07
ttxheckj: those bugs in the RC2 list get backported to milestone-proposed21:07
ttxheckj: and RC2 is published from milestone-proposed when you tell me it's ready21:08
heckjOkay - I'll open RC2 now then so we can start targetting to get them in21:08
ttxheckj: ok21:08
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ttxIdeally RC2 should contain everything you want in the final release... and only do a respin if something very unexpected hits us21:09
ttx(in which case we'll do an RC3)21:09
ttxheckj: anything else ?21:09
heckjnothing from me - rc2 series is created.21:09
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heckj(dolphm - tag up yer bugs! I'll take a swing through them later today too)21:10
ttxheckj: note that bugfixes when they land in master get "FixCommitted" and when they are in milestone-proposed they get "FixReleased" -- that allows tracking where you are21:10
dolphmheckj: on it21:10
heckjttx: k21:10
ttxheckj: updated milestone name21:11
ttx(must match future tag)21:11
ttxQuestions about Keystone ?21:11
ttx#topic Swift status21:12
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annegentleheckj: do youneed PDF and/or schema links for the API?21:12
annegentlerats can't type fast enough :)21:12
ttxoops :)21:12
annegentlesorry :(21:12
dolphmbug 963546 sounds important -- is there a discussion about it somewhere?21:12
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 963546 in keystone "swift_auth validates the tenant:user acl incorrectly" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96354621:12
heckjannegentle: If you can easily provide, that would be lovely, thank you!21:12
heckjchmouel^^ you around?21:12
annegentleheckj: ya, not easy :) so was going to negotiate. we can talk after meeting.21:12
notmynameI'm here21:13
ttxGo Swift!21:13
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ttx1.4.8 is out.21:13
notmynamejust waiting to see if there is mores tuff you need to address for keystone21:13
notmynameyes, 1.4.8 is out. it's our essex release21:13
heckjYou know anything about 963546? - eh, I'll follow up later21:13
chmouelheckj: i'll need to double check, but that should not be hard to fix if that's the case21:14
ttxnotmyname: No showstoppers detected in there ?21:14
notmynamenope. bugfixes (and an optional feature contributed from HP)21:15
notmynameI think the priority now (for the swift community) is getting stuff for the summit/conference21:15
ttxnotmyname: ack21:15
ttxwill mention it again at the end of the meeting21:15
ttxnotmyname: Anything else you wanted to mention ?21:16
notmynameno, I don't think so21:16
notmynameI'll have to duck out soon21:16
ttxQuestions on Swift ?21:16
notmynameso I won't be here fro the end of the meeting21:16
ttxor any question directed to notmyname ?21:16
ttx(before he leaves)21:16
ttxapparently not.21:17
ttx#topic Glance status21:17
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ttxbcwaldon: yo21:17
ttxRC1 is out, RC2 targeting is open21:17
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/essex-rc221:17
bcwaldonyep, a few bugfixes for that little guy21:18
ttxTwo bugs in there so far, in good progress21:18
ttx3 other issues have been tagged for consideration:21:18
bcwaldonCurrently I'm working on triaging blueprints/bugs, getting the fourth draft of the OpenStack Image API v2 spec up for review, and getting python-glanceclient off the ground!21:18
ttx#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bugs?field.tag=essex-rc-potential21:18
ttxbcwaldon: Would you include the two "High" in there in RC2 ?21:18
ttxor are they left off for a reason ?21:18
bcwaldonttx: I'll talk to eglynn about the copy_from bug21:18
bcwaldonttx: we can target the second high bug at rc221:19
bcwaldonttx: last bug doesn't really matter21:19
ttxwe need the same fix in Nova21:19
ttxOK will target the second one21:19
ttxAnyone has a Glance issue they think should be fixed in Essex ?21:19
ttxI would like to suggest bug 96238521:20
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 962385 in glance "S3 & swift secrets leaked into logs" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96238521:20
ttxbcwaldon: should I add it to essex-rc-potential or directly to RC2 ?21:20
ttxok. I was also wondering about bug 959670 + bug 96305021:21
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 959670 in glance "Notification message format is incorrect" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95967021:21
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 963050 in glance "Qpid notifier needs content_type set" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96305021:21
bcwaldonI'll go over recent commits to make sure I didnt miss anything21:21
bcwaldonI guess neither jay nor I have done that yet21:21
bcwaldontarget them, too21:21
ttxbcwaldon: I did that, hence my suggestions. Doesn't mean you shouldn't as well21:21
ttxrc2 directly ?21:21
bcwaldonok, will do later this afternoon21:21
bcwaldonwhatever you think is best :)21:21
ttxbah, potential for the time being. I'm not sure I understand the impact of the bug that well21:22
ttxbcwaldon: what's the plan ? Would issuing a "final until proven otherwise" RC2 by the end of the week work for you ?21:22
bcwaldonok, I'll review later21:22
ttxbcwaldon: Anything else ?21:23
bcwaldonnope, just wanted to bring the v2 api back up21:23
bcwaldonand python-glanceclient21:23
bcwaldonwhich should be in gerrit shortly21:23
bcwaldonother than that, I'm done21:24
ttxQuestions on Glance ?21:24
sorenEr... yes.21:24
ttxsoren: go ahead21:24
sorenHow is python-glanceclient different from the glance client included in glance?21:24
bcwaldonsoren: it's a reimplementation of the client that lives in glance proper to align with the rest of the openstack clients21:25
bcwaldonlike python-keystoneclient and python-novaclient21:25
ttxbcwaldon: for Folsom right ?21:25
sorenbcwaldon: This is for ...21:25
sorenRight, what ttx said.21:25
sorenOk, carry on, then :)21:25
bcwaldonsorry to frighten you, no I'm not trying to rewrite glance client for essex!21:26
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bcwaldonI think I would be killed If I did that21:26
ttxadjusting release deliverables on week-1 is not exactly a gentleman's sport21:26
ttxmore like cage deathmatch21:26
ttx#topic Nova status21:26
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ttxvishy: hey21:26
ttxRC1 is out, RC2 targeting is open21:27
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ttx#link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/essex-rc221:27
ttxAlready 17 issues listed, most of them already pushed to milestone-proposed21:27
ttxbug 965540 needs to be backported to milestone-proposed21:27
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 965540 in nova "nova does not handle glance_exception.Forbidden " [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96554021:27
ttxThere are also 13 issues on the essex-rc-potential list21:28
vishyon it21:28
ttx#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=essex-rc-potential21:28
ttxvishy: I think bug 964824 would be a bit disruptive at this point, untag ?21:28
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 964824 in nova "Database tuning required" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96482421:28
justinsb_ttx: There are some pretty serious DB issues in there21:28
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ttxjustinsb_: I would really like to avoid doing DB migration post RC121:29
vishyjustinsb_: we could do a blog post for how to tune the db21:29
ttx(if that's what is required)21:29
vishyrather than do it in a migration?21:29
justinsb_The risk is that someone doesn't apply those patches & then we have to figure out why it's going so slow21:30
johnpurwe are running into scaling issues that a good tuning effort would aoid21:30
ttxok, we can discuss this on the bug itself21:30
ttxit's not targeted yet, just on the list foir consideration21:30
vishyjustinsb_: lets see what the changes are21:30
ttxI have a few suggestions for additions to the essex-rc-potential list:21:31
ttxvishy: Two bugs had some commits before RC1 and some commits after:21:31
ttxbug 953235 and bug 95636621:31
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 953235 in nova "remove old sql api calls" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95323521:31
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 956366 in nova "self-referential security groups can not be deleted" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95636621:31
ttxso they are half in Essex, which is unconvenient21:31
ttxI guess we should have the last part of the bugfixes pushed to RC2 ?21:32
vishythe second one is just a test addition so that is no problem21:32
vishythey both seem fine21:32
vishyi will add them21:32
ttxAny other bug or post-RC1 fix that should be considered for Essex release ?21:33
vishynot that i am aware of yet21:33
devcamcarseems like 964824 should be split up into a number of smaller issues21:33
vishybut i may have missed something21:33
vishyttx: the one about connecting to mysql seems really important21:33
vishybut i don't know if anyone is working on it21:33
vishywe may have to port the session and reconnect code from glance to fix it21:34
ttxAdam is working on the Glance fix, maybe the Nova fix will be relatively similar21:34
ttxwe'll see if Adam can do both21:34
justinsb_devcamcar: I didn't want to send the bug count through the roof :-)21:35
ttxvishy: How does publishing a "final until proven otherwise" RC2 on Thursday or Friday sound ?21:35
ttxjustinsb_: the prize for bug 1000000 is still up21:35
devcamcarttx: no schema changes post RC1 - is this a formal policy or "we'd rather not"21:35
justinsb_ttx: You got me.  I'm holding them back until 9,999,950...21:36
ttxdevcamcar: we'd rather not21:36
ttxdevcamcar: those proved very regression-prone in the past21:36
devcamcarreason i ask is because justinsb_'s bug has some pretty big fixes proposed21:37
vishysounds good21:37
justinsb_ttx: If it's just adding an index though?  Better to change the code or add an index?21:37
ttxdevcamcar: I wonder why thos critical performance issues were only detected one week before release, so I question how critical they are21:37
ttxjustinsb_: in previous releases, we broke some database support by adding innocent-looking migrations a few days before final21:38
justinsb_The MyISAM -> InnoDB needs to happen, I think though.21:38
ttx"oops, no more postgres"21:38
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justinsb_Well, we can discuss on the bug, I guess!21:39
ttxIf we want to risk that, I want the fix to be worth that risk.21:39
jog0ttx: IMHO the issues were detected just before release due to larger scale Essex testing of RC1?21:39
ttxall in all it's about benefit of fix vs. risk of regression. And as we move closer to release, the benefit has to be extra-high and the risk extra low.21:40
ttxvishy: Anything else ?21:40
ttxOther questions on Nova ?21:41
ttx#topic Horizon status21:41
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ttxdevcamcar: o/21:41
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ttxRC1 is out, RC2 targeting is open21:41
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/essex-rc221:41
ttxwith 49 bugs already on it :)21:42
devcamcargenerally we are looking good.  we went from a number of larger issues in rc1 to essentially just polishing in rc221:42
ttxLooks like you have a good handle on those...21:42
devcamcaryes, rc2 is moving well21:42
ttxNo issue proposed on https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bugs?field.tag=essex-rc-potential21:42
devcamcarwe expect rc2 to be final21:42
ttxSo I suppose you caught them all in RC221:42
mdrnstmdevcamcar: awesome news!21:42
devcamcarttx: yes, all essex-rc-potential's have been targeted to rc2 or released in rc121:42
ttxdevcamcar: so only release-critical fixes should warrant a respin after it ?21:42
devcamcarttx: yes21:43
ttxworks for me21:43
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devcamcaras a community we've been opening tickets for all the rough edges and fixing21:43
ttxdevcamcar: ETA for RC2 ? by the end of the week ?21:43
justinsb_Any thoughts on bug #960656 ?  Looks like I forgot to propose for Essex21:43
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 960656 in horizon "local_settings.py makes horizon difficult to package" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96065621:43
gabrielhurleyjustinsb_: we should chat about that offline21:44
devcamcarttx: i'm hoping we can drop by Friday21:44
ttxdevcamcar: awesome21:44
devcamcarttx: progress has been good21:44
justinsb_gabrielhurley: Cool!21:44
ttxdevcamcar: Anything else ?21:44
devcamcarjustinsb_: that's primarily just a deployment issue and is somewhat easy to deal with - wouldn't consider it a release blocker21:45
devcamcarmay just need some better docs around it21:45
devcamcarttx: that's it from my point of view21:45
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ttxOther questions for Horizon ?21:45
ttx#topic Incubated projects and other Team reports21:46
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ttxdanwent: around ?21:47
ttxno RC2 planned yet ?21:47
danwentwe have just a few RC issues so far21:47
danwenttwo are in review21:47
danwentthe 'missing files' issues should be easy fixes.21:47
danwentcan definitely have an RC2 by later this week.21:47
ttxdanwent: you need to, right ?21:47
danwentwas hoping to get testing on Ubuntu done before cutting RC2, but we're still working through some issues.21:48
danwentttx: yes21:48
ttxwe can wait a bit. You're not stuck to the common release date, so we can have more risky behavior21:48
ttxyay non-core-yet.21:48
ttxso if you want to do RC2 early next week...21:48
danwentyes, but i'm pretty conservative :)21:49
danwentok, we'll play it by ear21:49
ttxtroytoman: around ?21:49
ttxMelange RC1 is out, RC2 planned with two bugs targeted so far...21:49
troytomanwe found two issues that have been resolved21:49
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troytomanso we should be ready for RC2 to get cut now21:49
ttxtroytoman: let's wait a bit just in case Murphy finds another one21:50
troytomanfair enough21:50
ttxI can cut RC2 on Thursday is things stay the same21:50
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troytomanttx: sounds like a good plan21:50
ttxAny other team lead with a status report ?21:50
ttxannegentle: ?21:50
annegentleplenty of doc reviews in the queue, please join in the fun: https://review.openstack.org/#q,status:open+project:openstack/openstack-manuals,n,z21:51
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annegentleI'd like to poll the mailing list too to see how the perceptions of doc readiness is. The doc bug list is still long, but the updates are many.21:51
ttxannegentle: trying to scan post-RC1 changes to avoid things that impact the doc, like new flags21:52
ttxbut the backlog is pretty significant :)21:53
annegentlettx: thanks for that. Also would like input on the Release Notes21:53
annegentle#link http://wiki.openstack.org/ReleaseNotes/Essex21:53
ttxGood point.21:53
ttxI added a section on distros, so packagers are welcome to brag about their work.21:53
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ttxannegentle: Post-RC2 I expect people to update their section of the release notes21:54
ttxannegentle: anything else ?21:54
annegentlettx: so did you find new flags?21:55
ttxno, but some bugs in the list would create some, and I think they should be folsom21:55
annegentlettx: ok, thanks. Nothing more.21:55
ttxlike https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/83170421:55
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 831704 in nova "No validation of arch type on image upload" [Low,Confirmed]21:56
ttx#topic Open discussion21:56
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ttx#info People participating to the Folsom Design Summit in three weeks should file their session topics ASAP, ideally before the end of the week.21:56
ttx#link http://summit.openstack.org21:56
ttxLooks like we'll merge 'Nova networking' and 'Quantum' tracks21:56
annegentleWould like to suggest some hands-on workshops in the Ecosystem track as well, they were requested at the last summit. Please propose!21:57
ttxannegentle: the Ecosystem track will "inherit" a number of talks that can't fit in the (more time-limited) session tracks21:57
annegentlettx: that works21:57
ttxmost tracks already have more proposed than they can fit21:57
ttxAnything else, anyone ?21:58
ttxok then21:59
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Mar 27 21:59:14 2012 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)21:59
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ttxthanks everyone!21:59
danwenthey folks!22:00
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danwenthiQ :)22:00
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danwent#link  Agenda: http://wiki.openstack.org/Network/Meetings22:00
danwentis it just salvatore here?22:00
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danwentnot that having salvatore here isn't great :P22:01
mesteryHey Dan and Salvatore!22:01
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salv-orlandohi mestery22:01
mesterySmall audience today?22:01
danwentthis is what I get for trying to start on time22:01
carlpnobodyy here but us chickens22:02
bhallsorry, thought we were going to start 7 minutes late like normal22:02
somikwe are living in Quantum time :)22:02
salv-orlandothey're all still reading your emails :)22:02
danwentsalv: haha, fair enough22:02
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debo-osme there :)22:02
mesterysalv: Ha!22:02
danwentthat thread happened while I was on jury duty, so I had some catchup22:02
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danwentok, let's first talk about Essex RC, then summit22:02
edgarmaganahello all!22:03
danwentso Essex RC1 bugs have been pretty minimal so far: https://bugs.launchpad.net/quantum/+bugs?field.tag=essex-rc-potential22:03
danwenttwo of those bugs are just some files missing from tarballs, should be easy fixes if someone wants to pick them off22:03
danwentthe other two are in review.22:03
debo-osDan, I also noticed that last week there many more greetings being exchanged .... wonder why :)22:03
danwentthe quantum server review needs one more core review22:04
danwentquantum client has been reviewed and i'm going to post a new version22:05
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danwentthe key question is whether anyone has other bugs that they think might be critical for the RC22:05
danwentOne question is around: https://answers.launchpad.net/quantum/+question/19086122:05
danwentI've asked them to try and see if this same issue exists with Nova and the standard linux bridge (i.e., no quantum)22:06
danwentas we use just the standard nova L322:06
danwentshould I take slience to mean that there are no other RC critical issues so far?22:06
danwentsounds like quantum is rock solid :)22:07
danwentAs far as distros, you all saw the email to the ML about Ubuntu packaging22:07
mesterydanwent: People reading all your emails to netstack. :)22:07
salv-orlandoSilenece is assent for me...22:07
danwentmestery: sigh, yes, sorry :)22:08
danwentthe most important email is the last one, and is also on the agenda, once we get past the RC stuff :)22:08
danwentis ghe here?22:08
salv-orlandoI have tried to reproduce the setup of question 190861, with no luck. My personal opinion is that some extra-Quantum and extra-Nova network configuration is interfering with the traffic.22:09
danwentany testing on debian packaging?22:09
danwentsalv-orlando: oh, I didn't realize you had tried to repro it.  that's great.22:09
danwentsalv-orlando: i must have missed that in the thread22:10
salv-orlandodanwent: that's not in the thread :) My laptop crashed when I was posting and then I forgot to...22:10
danwentOk, so it sounds like outside of the four filed issues, we don't know of any likely blockers.  That's great.22:11
danwentanything else on the RC?22:11
danwentassuming we get good help reviewing from the core devs, I think we should have an RC2 in the next few days.22:11
danwentdefinitely by end of week.22:11
danwentdebo-os, here?22:11
danwentok, well, i know debo has been making progress on the reviews for excercise script in devstack22:12
edgarmaganahe is online22:12
debo-osI uploaded my patch22:13
danwentmain hang-up is trouble parsing CLI output?22:13
debo-oswas uploading ... hence the silence22:13
debo-osyeah Dean wanted that and he had changed devstack scripts a bit22:13
debo-osso I put in those changes22:13
danwent#info devstack excercise quantum patch is here for review: https://review.openstack.org/#change,466522:14
debo-osdevstack is a moving target :)22:14
danwentindeed.  really appreciate your effort here22:14
debo-oshope Dean is ok except for the mysql reference ...22:14
debo-osThanks to Edgar, Shweta, DaveL and DanW for reviews22:14
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danwentOk, now to talk about summit planning22:15
danwent#info etherpad to cover most important topics for quantum track at summit and to identify "drivers" for the issues: http://etherpad.openstack.org/quantum-folsom22:15
carlpdebo-os: There is also a small group of us working on Chef stuff that we hope to be much more stable.  github.com/osops22:15
danwentcalrp: interesting.. does it support quantum yet?22:16
debo-oscarlp: let me catch you offline for this ... btw was going to bug you and see if you tried the script!22:16
carlpdanwent: we're getting Essex working on Precise now.  Quantum is step 2.22:16
danwentcarlp: k,thanks22:16
danwentOk, back to talking about summit22:16
debo-osalso Dan, before we jump to summit planning, is there a jenkins server that we can use the script to try out how it would be for commits22:17
debo-osor maybe we could discuss CI at the summit22:17
danwentmy main goal here is that we identify all of the key issues we think we need to tackle, and have one or more people that are responsible for driving them.22:17
carlpdebo-os: Yes, I can help with that.  Let's chat in a bit22:17
danwentdebo-os: ok, pause summit discussion22:17
danwentdebo-os:  i'm in favor of moving full speed ahead with that, not waiting for the summit (though we will have a session to discuss better quantum + CI integration)22:18
danwentok, back to summit discussion.22:18
danwentso please update the etherpad if something is missing22:19
danwentthe main goal is to identify the groups of people that need to coordinate here, and to prioritize key issues for the community and make sure they are all covered22:19
danwentunfortunately the session site isn't great for that22:19
danwentso we're back in etherpad land.22:19
carlpeh, could be worse22:20
danwentyeah, etherpad is actually pretty damn useful22:20
danwentagain, issues can have multiple drivers.  drivers are responsible for creating content prior to the summit, and helping drive discussion at the summit22:20
danwentany questions/concerns?22:20
danwentat the next IRC meeting, we can discuss if there are any important issues that still don't have a driver22:21
danwentoh, also, notice at the bottom of the etherpad I put a couple topics to discuss that aren't really features, but things we need to sort out as a community.22:22
danwentwe may have a general "community topics" session to discuss these (hopefullfy with beer in hand)22:22
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danwentOk, if there's not discussion here, please update the page in the next day or so, so we can start registering sessions on the official site.22:23
danwentof course, if you want to add yourself as a driver after that, that's fine as well.22:23
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danwent#topic open discussion22:23
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danwentbtw, we had a great openstack meetup in the bay area last night… lots of people there and interested in learning about quantum22:24
danwentsumit, somik and I presented.22:24
danwenthopefully in the future we can have an even bigger set of people for a panel22:25
edgarmaganavery good job guys!22:25
danwentok, nothing else?  Seems like everyone is distracted today :)22:25
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edgarmaganathe room was full and plenty of questions22:25
danwentok, thanks folks.  please keep testing RC1, we're almost to the final release date22:25
salv-orlandonothing from me22:26
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danwentyes, and thanks for edgar, dave lapseley, ram, and lew for coming as well22:26
carlpI think I'm good for now.  Lots of people to talk to before next week22:26
davlapsgreat presentations and discussion!22:26
danwentgreat, have a good week folks!22:26
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Mar 27 22:26:40 2012 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)22:26
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somiktake care folks, see you guys in couple of weeks!22:26
SumitNaiksatamthanks, bye!22:26
davlapsbye all!22:26
carlpSumitNaiksatam: I haven't forgot to email you, just been really busy :)22:27
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carlpdebo-os: still around?22:27
carlpLooks like we have about 20min to talk before the next meeting :)22:28
carlpSo, I've got an environment ready for testing22:28
debo-osdid you take a look at the quantum.sh?22:28
carlpI have not had a chance to yet, been dealing with local fires the past two weeks22:29
carlpBut, I will this week for sure22:29
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debo-osam readu to test whenever you are22:30
carlpWe can run on that, I'll be happy to set you up with an account22:31
debo-osthat would be awesome22:31
carlpSend me a preferred username and SSH key to carl.perry@dreamhost.com22:31
carlpI'll get back to you with login credentials22:31
debo-oswill do22:32
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debo-osawesoem then we are set22:33
carlpAnything else I can do for you?22:33
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debo-osi think i am set for now22:35
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debo-osthanks a lot Carl22:35
carlpno problemo!22:35
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