Monday, 2012-05-14

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ayoungUgh...gnopme kept another XChat session open, but would it show me it?  No!  Wasn't able to see it until I killed the second one....16:51
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annegentleten minutes until the Doc Team meeting here19:50
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joesavak\o19:51
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annegentlegoing to try Skype for audio in addition. Nothing like multiple inputs at once!19:52
joesavaklol. Seems crazy. I'll be irc only - fyi19:52
dwcramerOk, so we can talk about Joe on Skype.19:52
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annegentlehee19:53
joesavak.... joining on skype19:53
bcwaldonannegentle: I'll be here but I have to get coffee first19:53
reedcall me on skype19:53
annegentlebcwaldon: ok19:56
bfcohenI am joining on skype as well.19:57
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annegentleanyone else want to join the Skype?19:58
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annegentlewelcome all!19:59
annegentle#startmeeting19:59
openstackMeeting started Mon May 14 19:59:51 2012 UTC.  The chair is annegentle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:59
annegentle#topic Action items from the last meeting20:00
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annegentleAnne to log bugs for CLI doc maw20:00
annegentledone: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/98890220:00
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 988902 in openstack-manuals "Write documentation for python-novaclient (starter doc is available)" [High,In progress]20:00
annegentleKarin working on it20:00
annegentleAnne to create a note describing the extensions on api.openstack.org 'The following extensions ship with Nova, but are not required to be deployed for any openstack-compatibile cloud'20:01
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annegentleis this still needed?20:01
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annegentleLast action: Anne to investigate usability testing of Install/Deploy doc20:02
annegentlegreat idea but didn't get to it!20:02
annegentle#info Beth Cohen putting together training and will need to test the docs20:02
annegentlewe're getting a goodly amount of doc bugs in, so they're definitely being tested20:03
annegentle#action Anne to send Beth draft "Learning OpenStack" document20:04
annegentle#topic Essex release docs20:04
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annegentle#we now have a stable/essex branch for openstack-manuals20:04
annegentleso propose to both when you have a fix for both20:05
annegentleany Qs about essex branch?20:05
reed#info <annegentle>  #we now have a stable/essex branch for openstack-manuals so propose to both when you have a fix for both20:05
lorin1When will docs.openstack.org point to essex docs?20:05
annegentlelorin1: so what I did is have a docs.openstack.org/essex and then kept the root pointing to trunk, is that ok?20:06
annegentlenot too much divergence yet, maybe in a month we stop doing that?20:06
lorin1annegentle: Sounds good to me.20:06
annegentleor since Essex is on LTS versions, should I switch root to /essex now?20:07
bfcohenNeed to clear that up and document it.20:07
annegentle#info root of site pointing to /trunk documents, maybe switch to /essex sooner rather than later20:08
bfcohenEssex has enough of a user base that we will need to keep it around for a while.20:08
lorin1We could always wait until we get our first folsom-specific doc contribution. ;)20:08
annegentlelorin1: I like it!20:08
annegentle#agreed wait for divergence from essex to folsom to switch docs landing pages20:09
annegentle# Blueprints status20:09
annegentleI'm a bit new to blueprints...20:09
bfcohenI am new to Blueprint as well.20:09
annegentlethanks to joesavak for the blueprint tutorial20:10
joesavaknp. : ) Although i haven't followed up and created cdt bps yet20:10
annegentle#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals20:10
annegentle#topic Operations manual20:10
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annegentle#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/openstack-operations-manual20:10
joesavak#action joe to review bps and cdt product roadmap and update bps accordingly20:10
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annegentletargeted as f320:11
annegentlewhich is August 16th20:11
lorin1Sorry, what's cdt?20:11
annegentle#info some dependencies on Rackspace and TryStack for operations manual20:12
joesavakcdt = cloud doc tools - the team that created and helps to maintain the cloud docs maven plugin20:12
bfcohenFOr me it depned on the RS training project.  Should be begining of June and it will last 2-3 months.  Much of what I will need to do will be useable for the project.20:12
annegentleTrystack does some of their admin doc in Google Docs, maybe keep updating that in the interim?20:14
bfcohenI am most comfortable in Word and it is off-line so I can work on it anytime.  Then upload it to the repository.20:14
annegentle#info work ongoing on the operations manual, in your own toolset20:14
lorin1annegentle: Are the TryStack admin google docs public?20:15
annegentlelorin1: no, they contain admin passwords and the like20:15
lorin1annegentle: Ahh20:15
bfcohenRealistically we will be spilling over into September because of vacations and general summer slowdown.20:16
annegentle#info leaving the f3 target for the operations manual, knowing full well it'll go til Sept 27th (Folsom release date)20:16
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annegentle#topic Deployment template20:17
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annegentle#link http://etherpad.openstack.org/deployment-template20:18
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annegentleI tried to collect the questions as well as a list of configuration files20:18
annegentle#info best first two candidates for collecting info are TryStack and Mediawiki20:18
lorin1That's great, I didn't know it existed. I created the wiki page http://wiki.openstack.org/RealDeployments that seems to overlap this.20:19
annegentlelorin1: yeah I found that too! Added it to the blueprint20:19
annegentle#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/deployment-template20:19
lorin1When the Argonne guys finish their transition to essex, I think you'll be able to get details from them as well.20:19
annegentlequestions: how to sanitize data? How to gather it into one place, is the wiki page enough?20:20
lorin1I think these should ultimately be turned into first-class standalone docs.20:21
annegentlelorin1: ok, I like it - standalone title suggestions?20:21
lorin1Maybe something like: "Case study: Mediawiki" or "Documented deployment: Mediawiki", … ?20:22
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annegentlelorin1: deep dive deployment: Mediawiki?20:23
lorin1annegentle: Sounds good to me20:23
bfcohenHow about definitive Openstack Docs or Authoritative Openstack Docswiki20:23
annegentlekinda corny :)20:23
annegentlethere are less detailed case studies called "User Stories" at http://openstack.org/user-stories/, these are different.20:24
annegentleReference Architecture: TryStack? Reference Architecture: MediaWiki?20:25
lorin1I was thinking that "Reference Architecture" would be more of an idealized "This is how you should do it in a perfect world" example.20:25
lorin1These are more: "What we actually did" examples.20:25
lorin1I think we need reference architecture docs as well.20:26
annegentleso I have "deployment-template" targeted for folsom-1, I'll check with MediaWiki and TryStack to see if that's crazytalk.20:26
annegentle.20:26
annegentlelorin1: can you talk a bit about what is required for a ref. arch? diagrams?20:27
bfcohenDiagrams are great.20:28
lorin1annegentle: I would include all example config files, network architecture diagrams, network configuration settings...20:28
bfcohenAlso metric criteria for the decision process20:28
annegentlewowsa20:28
annegentleexamples: number of concurrent users, number of sessions, length of sessions20:29
annegentleOk, seems reasonable.20:29
bfcohenFOr swift, profiles of object files20:29
lorin1Maybe even some use case language: "e.g., multitenant IaaS provider"20:30
bfcohenNova: Images, types, service catalog20:30
annegentleI'm going to leave it targeted as-is, adjust as needed - anyone else want to work on it besides me?20:31
bfcohenI did much of this work for a client.20:31
annegentleok, good20:31
annegentleok, next blueprint20:32
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annegentle#topic API try-it-out20:32
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annegentleso I haven't found a taker for this one20:32
bfcohenWhat is this?20:32
annegentle#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/api-try-it-out20:33
bfcohenSInce I can't code in Jave, or much of anything, not me.20:33
lorin1Is that even technically possible yet?20:33
annegentlelorin1: for Trystack, I think so20:33
bfcohenThis iQA.  Canb this be scripted.20:33
dwcramerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_matter_of_programming20:35
joesavak:-)20:35
annegentle#info just a "small matter of programming" - if you know of someone who may want to pick it up, let 'em know its there20:35
annegentleCould be a nice intern project.20:35
annegentleany Qs?20:35
annegentle#topic metadata in docs20:36
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bfcohenGet that Intern with Java skills.20:36
annegentle#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/doc-metadata20:36
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annegentle#info this blueprint is a good first step, next steps would be in CI team area20:38
annegentleThe CI team blueprint is tracked here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+spec/ci-doc-automation20:39
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bfcohenThis meta-data also tracks the revisions is that correct?20:40
annegentle#info metadata we could include automatically would be git SHA, version of the plugin used to build the particular page, but there may be manual insertions as well.20:41
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annegentleWe might need to come up with more info we want - such as what's the upper level filename for that section?20:43
bfcohenHow important is this for people.  That will determine how promident it is!20:44
annegentle#action: put a list of pertinent metadata into the blueprint20:45
annegentle#topic Getting Started documentation20:46
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annegentleIt seemed like a lot of guides came in last week.20:46
annegentleI definitely want to curate more, like http://wiki.openstack.org/BloggersTips.20:48
reedi sometimes check it and add links to the weekly community newsletter from it20:48
annegentleWe haven't found a WordPress solution, really.20:49
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annegentle#idea canned search for curated sites20:50
annegentlethe search at the top of docs.openstack.org is a Google Custom Search Engine, could expand the scope to more sites, including blog posts20:51
reedI like the idea, it's a good/simple solution20:51
annegentle#action Anne to add individual blog posts to Google CSE20:52
reedhttps://support.mozilla.org/20:52
annegentle#link http://support.mozilla.org - custom-built knowledge base20:53
annegentleit would be better to have one place for "Answers" rather than all the project sites20:53
bfcohenSystem admins like to go to one place , not five.  Especially since some of their issues will be across the Openstack projects.20:54
annegentle#info the Mozilla knowledge base engine is open source and available on github20:54
annegentle#info also the Mozilla knowledge base engine enables multi-language20:55
annegentleIf you'd like to make this project a "real" project with high priority, contact reed.20:56
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annegentle#topic Doc tools update20:56
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annegentlejoesavak: what's in the next CDT release that OpenStack wants to know about?20:57
annegentleok, dwcramer is explaining on Skype, I'll take notes. :)20:57
joesavakremoved ~200 lines of WADL from pom20:57
joesavak(hi)20:57
annegentle#info pom.xml much simpler for WADL pointers20:57
annegentle#topic Open discussion20:59
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bfcohenI love the two track discussions!  Keep ity up20:59
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annegentleOk, thanks all! Next one's next month!21:00
annegentle#endmeeting21:01
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