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| danwent | hi folks | 21:00 |
| gongys | hi | 21:00 |
| shiv-h | hi | 21:00 |
| edgarmagana | hello! | 21:00 |
| ncode | hi | 21:00 |
| markmcclain | hi | 21:01 |
| rkukura | hi | 21:01 |
| danwent | #startmeeting | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 2 21:01:13 2012 UTC. The chair is danwent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| garyk | hi | 21:01 |
| arosen | Hi | 21:01 |
| salv-orlando | hi | 21:01 |
| danwent | #info agenda: http://wiki.openstack.org/Network/Meetings | 21:01 |
| danwent | I'd like to keep things pretty tightly focused on F-2 for this meeting, as I know many of your are busily working away on finishing up code and reviews | 21:01 |
| danwent | #info F-2 status: https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/folsom-2 | 21:02 |
| PotHix | o/ | 21:02 |
| danwent | Overall, there's been a great effort to finish things up, very exciting | 21:02 |
| danwent | gongys: https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/folsom-2 | 21:03 |
| danwent | are we still blocked on that test? | 21:03 |
| gongys | Yes. | 21:03 |
| danwent | I reprod it internally, and it does seem to be that commit that breaks things, as I rolled back and did not get the test faiures | 21:03 |
| danwent | gongys: is it correct that this was introduced in a later patchset? | 21:03 |
| danwent | (i.e., can we do binary search to figure out the patchset that introduced it?) | 21:03 |
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| salv-orlando | I am looking at it - it seems the problem started in patch set #5 | 21:04 |
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| danwent | Ok, figuring out that issue is probably top priority for the community at this point for F-2 | 21:05 |
| danwent | gongys: its really late for you, correct? | 21:05 |
| danwent | we can bang on this issue and try to figure it out while you sleep | 21:05 |
| gongys | not. it is morning here. | 21:05 |
| danwent | ah, yes, very early… that's right. | 21:05 |
| gongys | yes. | 21:06 |
| danwent | ok, then we can just all pitch in :) | 21:06 |
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| gongys | ok. | 21:06 |
| danwent | I also spoke with tr3buchet, lead for nova-network. | 21:06 |
| danwent | he's going to talk to vishy about some aspects of how the nova + quantum integration works. | 21:07 |
| danwent | i'm hoping we can defer any major changes until a later release, but its his call | 21:07 |
| danwent | he had some good suggestions on how to change a couple things, which I will file as bugs that can hopefully be addressed in F-3 | 21:08 |
| danwent | gongys: are there any outstanding issues outside of the unit tests and the need for nova core dev reviews? | 21:08 |
| danwent | (vish also said that he would review, so with trey that would be two) | 21:08 |
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| gongys | There are some minor comments happened last night, I will deal with them after the meeting. | 21:09 |
| danwent | ok, great. anything else on this review? | 21:09 |
| danwent | whoops, just realized I sent out the wrong link above. here is the review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/8916/ | 21:10 |
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| gongys | and then deal with the jenkins failure on xenapi. | 21:10 |
| danwent | salv-orlando: hopefully you can keep looking there, as you probably have some helpful background around the xenserver stuff. | 21:11 |
| danwent | markmcclain: DHCP status? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9064/ | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | working through the latest set of comments | 21:11 |
| salv-orlando | danwent: yes, if you can tell me how to repro after the meeting that would help - have been trying unsuccessfully in the last hour | 21:11 |
| danwent | salv-orlando: oh… i just had to run the unit tests with gongys's patch. | 21:12 |
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| danwent | markmcclain: ok, anything you need other folks in the community to help with? | 21:12 |
| salv-orlando | danwent: well, so the difference between my env and your env might pinpoint the root cause of the problem :) | 21:12 |
| danwent | salv-orlando: indeed | 21:12 |
| danwent | we'll talk later | 21:13 |
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| danwent | arosen: sounds like OVS v2 plugin just went in? | 21:13 |
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| arosen | Yup | 21:13 |
| danwent | great | 21:13 |
| arosen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9160/ | 21:13 |
| danwent | garyk: so path is cleared for LB v2 plugin, which needed a rebased after OVS v2? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9101/ | 21:14 |
| garyk | danwent: current;y rebasing and addressing commenst from aaron | 21:14 |
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| danwent | garyk: ok, but reasonable to expect that to land today (or wait, its really late for you?) | 21:15 |
| garyk | danwent: maybe by end of meeting. | 21:15 |
| danwent | maybe get a quick rev in, and if so, hopefully its good to merge | 21:15 |
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| garyk | ok | 21:15 |
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| danwent | or we can just do it early tomorrow, just really want it in before main openstack mtg. | 21:16 |
| danwent | rkukura: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9069/ | 21:16 |
| rkukura | Plan to resubmit tomorrow, dropping V1 and adding V2. | 21:16 |
| danwent | ok, i think that's the right strategy | 21:16 |
| danwent | if possible, let's sync quickly on the API extension details after the main mtg. | 21:17 |
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| rkukura | OK | 21:17 |
| danwent | zhhuabj, debo-os : quantum gating | 21:17 |
| debo-os | pinged dean | 21:17 |
| debo-os | for review | 21:18 |
| zhhuabj | hi, dan, yesterday I have replied your mail about quantum gating | 21:18 |
| debo-os | I think zhhuabj and I did some overlapping work | 21:18 |
| danwent | yeah, he passed my request on about adding new quantum reviewers to devstack. | 21:18 |
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| debo-os | ok I will keep pinging devstack folks for our reviews | 21:18 |
| danwent | with the amount of churn that will happen in quantum in the next month or two, we'll need a lot of changes to devstack. | 21:18 |
| danwent | I will reping them as well :) | 21:18 |
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| danwent | so are all changes that are needed changes to devstack? | 21:19 |
| judas | Deffo | 21:19 |
| judas | I concur indefinitely | 21:19 |
| debo-os | they are not really devstack changes | 21:19 |
| debo-os | they are changes to the exercise script | 21:19 |
| debo-os | and the euca tests are devstack changes | 21:19 |
| danwent | debo-os: and can you create an issue for updating excercise scripts to use quantum v2 in F-3? | 21:19 |
| debo-os | yes I will do | 21:20 |
| garyk | danwent: any progress on core reviewer for devstack? | 21:20 |
| danwent | thx. | 21:20 |
| danwent | just mentioned above… dean passed my request on to the people who manage the devstack-core team | 21:20 |
| danwent | i'll ping them again though, as devstack is definitely becoming a bottleneck here. | 21:21 |
| danwent | and the best way to help is to contribute ourselves | 21:21 |
| danwent | Ok, any other F-2 items we need to discuss | 21:21 |
| danwent | any critical bugs that MUST be completed by the F-2 milestone release? | 21:22 |
| danwent | #topic community topics | 21:22 |
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| salv-orlando | what's your opinion on bug 1019899 | 21:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1019899 in quantum "add support for requested_networks extension to Nova/Quantum v2 code" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1019899 | 21:22 |
| salv-orlando | should we make an extra effort to push it by folsom-2? | 21:23 |
| danwent | salv-orlando: I'd really like to see that, and discussed it with Trey. | 21:23 |
| danwent | it will be very confusing if "--nic" no longer works for spinning up a VM | 21:23 |
| danwent | and it should be a pretty straightforward change | 21:23 |
| danwent | If someone could grab that one, I'd appreciate it | 21:23 |
| salv-orlando | ok, consider it taken | 21:24 |
| danwent | thx | 21:24 |
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| gongys | After my change gets in, the issue should be easy to dealt with. | 21:24 |
| danwent | gongys: agreed | 21:24 |
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| danwent | Ok, so on the ML we talked about dropping v1 support during folsom, specifically during the F-3 period. | 21:25 |
| gongys | If no one seize it, I will fix it. | 21:25 |
| danwent | I think there was rough consensus, but wanted to raise it here before considering it final | 21:25 |
| danwent | going once, twice... | 21:26 |
| danwent | #info: quantum will drop v1 quantum API support in Folsom-3 time period. | 21:26 |
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| danwent | other than that, I don't want to take the focus off of F-2 reviews and testing by discussing anything else. | 21:27 |
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| danwent | oh, one other thing is that we'll need someone to do the devstack work for DHCP, as I mentioned in my email this morning. | 21:27 |
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| danwent | arosen has done the base v2 devstack work, so we can build on that. | 21:28 |
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| danwent | (still out for review) | 21:28 |
| danwent | #topic open discussion | 21:28 |
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| arosen | I can probably add that to what I have up on review if I figure out how to use the dhcp stuff. | 21:28 |
| markmcclain | arosen: I can help you with it | 21:28 |
| danwent | arosen: ok, that would be great. | 21:28 |
| gongys | Don't make the review of one change too big. | 21:29 |
| danwent | gongys: hehe, yeah, definitely do it as a separate review | 21:29 |
| danwent | though we don't seem to have good luck even with short devstack reviews :) | 21:29 |
| danwent | ok, any other open discussion? | 21:29 |
| judas | Kjm | 21:30 |
| judas | Smh | 21:30 |
| gongys | my quantumclient binary name | 21:30 |
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| judas | 00110000 | 21:30 |
| gongys | it is quantumv2 | 21:30 |
| gongys | now | 21:30 |
| danwent | gongys: yes… i think it should just be 'quantum' | 21:30 |
| gongys | should I change it back into quantum. | 21:30 |
| danwent | yeah, then we can get rid of the old one (currently, both are installed) | 21:30 |
| gongys | So I will remove the old binary for v1. | 21:30 |
| danwent | ok, anyone have concerns with that? | 21:31 |
| gongys | After we drop v1. | 21:31 |
| rkukura | Yes, after or at same time | 21:31 |
| gongys | ok. | 21:31 |
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| danwent | ok, so it will continue to be quantumv2 for F-2, but then in F-3 we'll remove? | 21:31 |
| gongys | yes. | 21:32 |
| danwent | ok, sounds like a plan | 21:32 |
| PotHix | Looks good to me :) | 21:32 |
| danwent | ok, thanks folks. keep up the good work reviewing. Remember that starting tuesday we should shift to testing, and that any serious bugs should be flagged in a way to make sure i"m aware of them. | 21:32 |
| danwent | (so i can let thierry know that we need them fixed before he pulls the milestone) | 21:33 |
| garyk | danwent: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9101/ is ready (i hope) | 21:33 |
| danwent | have a good afternoon/evening/morning! | 21:33 |
| danwent | garyk: just in time! will take a look | 21:33 |
| danwent | #endmeeting | 21:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 2 21:33:30 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-07-02-21.01.html | 21:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-07-02-21.01.txt | 21:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-07-02-21.01.log.html | 21:33 |
| salv-orlando | BYE! | 21:33 |
| ncode | cya | 21:33 |
| danwent | rkukura: want to sync quickly? | 21:33 |
| garyk | bye and goodnight | 21:33 |
| PotHix | Bye! | 21:34 |
| edgarmagana | adeu! | 21:34 |
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| rkukura | danwent: sure | 21:34 |
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| danwent | rkukura: so I'd feel better if the extension just modified RESOURCE_ATTRIBUTE_MAP when it was loaded by appending an entry | 21:35 |
| danwent | seems like that would be straightforward, assuming the module is imported | 21:36 |
| rkukura | Problem is that structure is used during init, before extensions are loaded | 21:36 |
| danwent | rkukura: ah, b/c its transformed into something a little different before its used? | 21:36 |
| rkukura | It drives calls into the Routes code. | 21:36 |
| danwent | ok, i may need to refresh my memory. | 21:37 |
| rkukura | It would take some time to figure out if the same effect can be had by making routes API calls afterwards. | 21:37 |
| danwent | yeah, i am just very hesitant to violate the model so much just to get it in for F-2 | 21:39 |
| PotHix | markmcclain: ping | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | PotHix: pong | 21:39 |
| PotHix | markmcclain: I'm planning to fork your github repository and start working on isc soon | 21:40 |
| PotHix | are you commiting your changes frequently? | 21:40 |
| PotHix | I noticed that the latest commit was from 5 days ago | 21:40 |
| rkukura | I have the same concern, but the impact would be very localized as long as we were convinced we could accomplish the same effect a better way later | 21:40 |
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| markmcclain | PotHix: I updated things yesterday | 21:41 |
| rkukura | danwent: I could spend some time investigating, but would prefer to get it working first and then see if there is a better way later. | 21:41 |
| danwent | rkukura: the problem comes when you separate the urgency of getting the feature working (high) from the urgency of doing the infrastructure correct (low). The latter tends to not happen :) | 21:42 |
| PotHix | markmcclain: cool. I'll fork it soon and try to follow your commits to avoid big merge problems | 21:42 |
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| rkukura | danwent: I also could argue that this an "internal extension" where support belongs in the core, and only certain plugins enable it. | 21:42 |
| danwent | rkukura: feel free to propose the patch as is and we can have a review discussion on it. | 21:42 |
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| rkukura | danwent: I'd like to do some experimentation tonight, and if it works and its the best I can come up with for now, go forward with it. | 21:43 |
| danwent | rkukura: ehh… i'm not a fan of a notion that some extensions are more equal than others | 21:43 |
| rkukura | danwent: Well, extensions serve many purposes | 21:43 |
| danwent | if we go forward with this approach, it would have to be with the understanding that it would be done properly later | 21:44 |
| rkukura | And I agree the framework should fully support them all. | 21:44 |
| rkukura | I'll try to figure out how to do it properly now. | 21:44 |
| rkukura | But the only alternative I've identified, which is JSON only, isn't proper either. | 21:44 |
| danwent | ok, i think that's the best way to approach this. if you can convince people you know the right way to do it, and that you'll do it, just not now. | 21:44 |
| rkukura | Or now, if I figure it out. | 21:45 |
| rkukura | But I'm not about to take on syncing the extension framework with nova's right now. | 21:45 |
| rkukura | Which is probably the right long term solution. | 21:45 |
| danwent | rkukura: ok… let's just try to layout the options. We'll have several more extensions of this type coming in F-3, so we need to make a decision with this in mind. I'd like to get input from salv-orlando and jkoelker (at least) on this, as they know more about this than I do. | 21:46 |
| rkukura | Let me experiment tonight and send an email to netstack with the options | 21:47 |
| rkukura | And there input would be great! | 21:47 |
| salv-orlando | I will put some cycles aside tomorrow morning - while you sleep - for looking at this patch | 21:47 |
| danwent | ok, thanks | 21:47 |
| danwent | talk to you later | 21:47 |
| rkukura | salv-orlando: Thanks - but don't spend too much time on the current patch since I'm proposing a different way to do the RequestExtension. | 21:48 |
| rkukura | I need to go make dinner for the family. | 21:48 |
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| salv-orlando | rkukura: indeed, I said tomorrow morning to give you some time to push a new patch while I sleep! | 21:48 |
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| danwent | k, later guys | 21:51 |
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