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| nijaba | #startmeeting | 16:00 |
| nijaba | #meetingtopic Ceilometer | 16:00 |
| nijaba | #chair nijaba | 16:00 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 9 16:00:02 2012 UTC. The chair is nijaba. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Current chairs: nijaba | 16:00 |
| nijaba | Hello everyone! Show of hands, who is around for the ceilometer meeting? | 16:00 |
| nijaba | o/ | 16:00 |
| mrevell | o/ | 16:00 |
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| nijaba | dhellmann: around? | 16:01 |
| gmb | 0/ | 16:01 |
| nijaba | ok, let's start | 16:01 |
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| nijaba | #topic actions from previous meeting | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from previous meeting (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:01 | |
| nijaba | #topic jaypipes to create ceilometer cookbook | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "jaypipes to create ceilometer cookbook (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:01 | |
| nijaba | jaypipes: any progress on this? | 16:02 |
| jaypipes | nijaba: no, sorry man | 16:02 |
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| nijaba | should I forward the action? | 16:03 |
| jaypipes | nijaba: might be able to get to it over weekend or monday | 16:03 |
| jaypipes | nijaba: sure | 16:03 |
| nijaba | #action jaypipes to create ceilometer cookbook | 16:03 |
| nijaba | #topic jtran to open a ticket for the DB access work | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "jtran to open a ticket for the DB access work (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:03 | |
| nijaba | jtran informed us that he won't be able to join us this week, but did open the bug: | 16:03 |
| nijaba | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1034666 | 16:03 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1034666 in ceilometer "Remove nova db access for all ceilometer code" [Undecided,New] | 16:03 |
| nijaba | #topic nijaba to create a diagram of ceilometer architecture | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to create a diagram of ceilometer architecture (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:04 | |
| nijaba | I have prepared a first version of this diagram that you can see here: | 16:04 |
| nijaba | #link https://docs.google.com/drawings/pub?id=1_cIFir6HS6jSkPw7chrmyu8DGE2ZgXk79Kbj8nw-Hqo&w=960&h=720 | 16:04 |
| nijaba | Comments are welcome. | 16:04 |
| nijaba | I can share the google doc with anyone who wants to modify it | 16:04 |
| DanD | is there a description of component responsiblitiy? | 16:05 |
| nijaba | DanD: not at the moment, but could be a nice addition | 16:05 |
| nijaba | if anyone wants to comment later, ping me... | 16:06 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to write description of componet responsibility | 16:06 |
| nijaba | let's move on | 16:07 |
| nijaba | #topic Discuss dhellmann's API change proposal | 16:07 |
| nijaba | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2012-August/000389.html | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss dhellmann's API change proposal (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:07 | |
| nijaba | not sure if dhellmann has joined us... | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | sorry, running late | 16:08 |
| nijaba | np | 16:08 |
| nijaba | so the proposal seemed very reasonable | 16:08 |
| nijaba | and jaypipes' comment made it even better | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | jd___ approved the changeset, but we can make adjustments as needed | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | yes, thanks jaypipes | 16:08 |
| nijaba | any other comment before we formally approve it? | 16:09 |
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| nijaba | if not, then I propose that we skip voting and just mark this as agreed | 16:09 |
| nijaba | going once | 16:10 |
| nijaba | twice | 16:10 |
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| dhellmann | it would help if someone had a few minutes to go through the URL list in comments in the v1.py file now and make sure all of the endpoints from the original list are included | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | I double checked, but a second set of eyes is always good | 16:10 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: i did this summarilly this morning. I can take the action to do a better match | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | ok, thanks! | 16:11 |
| nijaba | #agreed new api proposal from dhellmann provide a second check that all case are covered | 16:11 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to do a second thouroughness check on API and report next week | 16:12 |
| nijaba | #topic Discuss priority of maintaining Essex support and find contributor to work on it if we are going to do it | 16:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss priority of maintaining Essex support and find contributor to work on it if we are going to do it (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:12 | |
| jd___ | lo | 16:12 |
| jd___ | sorry i'm late :) | 16:12 |
| nijaba | hey jd___! | 16:12 |
| jd___ | (i'm on holidays so my schedule is a bit chaotic :) | 16:13 |
| nijaba | so, it seemed last week that jtran wanted this to happen, but was not sure to be able to do it alone, correct? | 16:13 |
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| jd___ | seems so | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | that's how I remember it | 16:13 |
| nijaba | is anyone here that care about this and wants to second him? | 16:13 |
| nijaba | it seems that most of us really care about folsom support | 16:14 |
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| dhellmann | I thought loic wanted it, too? | 16:14 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: yep, but he does not seem to be around | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | ok | 16:14 |
| jd___ | i though too but it's away for a while now so maybe he doesn't care about it now | 16:15 |
| jd___ | s/it/he | 16:15 |
| nijaba | so I propose that we postpone this until someone proposes himself? | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 16:15 |
| jd___ | I agree | 16:15 |
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| jd___ | i'm all for do-ocracy on this :) | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | there has been some progress on moving the service and manager bits out of nova into common, which will help us | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | we want that anyway, even for folsom | 16:16 |
| jd___ | yup | 16:16 |
| nijaba | #agreed essex support postponed until someone that cares about it signals himself and want to work on it | 16:16 |
| nijaba | moving on... | 16:17 |
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| nijaba | #topic Discuss integration with Heat | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss integration with Heat (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:17 | |
| nijaba | so their are 2 subtopics here | 16:17 |
| nijaba | 1/ instrumenting heat so that ceilometer can meter it | 16:17 |
| * dhellmann doesn't know what heat is | 16:17 | |
| nijaba | 2/ the "cloudwatch" proposal | 16:18 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: heat is a project to mimick AWS cloudformation in openstack | 16:18 |
| nijaba | it has just been submited for incubation | 16:18 |
| nijaba | like use, the response was postoned | 16:18 |
| ppetit | Don't want to speak for Heat representative but heat is more than that. Its an attempt to support CloudFormation for OpenStack | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | ok, thanks for the background | 16:19 |
| nijaba | ppetit: any better definition is welcome | 16:19 |
| jd___ | hi ppetit | 16:19 |
| ppetit | As per the support of CloudFormation's service semantic, support of CloudWatch is desirable. | 16:19 |
| ppetit | Hi! | 16:20 |
| nijaba | so, regarding 1/, I think we would welcome to see heat instrumented too, right? | 16:20 |
| ppetit | But also auto-scaling, ... and other integrated cloud services that are part of AWS | 16:20 |
| nijaba | question being, how and who... | 16:21 |
| ppetit | Not sure this is heat we'd like to instrument. | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I was just reaching that conclusion: what would we meter in heat? | 16:21 |
| jd___ | cloudwatch is part of heat too actually, no? | 16:21 |
| ppetit | I think the propoal was more about having one point of support for CloudWatch-like functionality | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | and CloudWatch is monitoring? | 16:21 |
| ppetit | And that would be under Ceilometer project instead of Heat | 16:22 |
| nijaba | so that's point #2 | 16:22 |
| nijaba | for which, as I said on the ml, I think we need to discuss this at ODS in october | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | agreed | 16:22 |
| ppetit | Yes, I think it makes sense because the subject is complexe | 16:23 |
| ppetit | We are speaking of an ecosystem of components | 16:23 |
| nijaba | exactly | 16:23 |
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| dhellmann | it may be appropriate for the monitoring tool to listen for metering events, but as nijaba pointed out they are likely not to come frequently enough | 16:24 |
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| nijaba | so I propose the following agreement: "propose a joint session with heat at ODS regarding cloudwatch" | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 16:25 |
| ppetit | One neat thing about CloudWatch-like functionality is the support of a monitoring service above ceilometer with stuffs like policies, recovery action, threshold monitoring and so forth.... | 16:25 |
| jd___ | dhellmann: sure but they can write their own metering tools too | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | jd___: sure | 16:25 |
| nijaba | ppetit: I fully agree on the usefulness | 16:25 |
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| nijaba | any one against the above proposal? | 16:26 |
| nijaba | ... | 16:26 |
| nijaba | #agreed propose a joint session with heat at ODS regarding cloudwatch | 16:26 |
| nijaba | ok, so let's dig a bit into #1 | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | what would we meter in heat? | 16:27 |
| nijaba | ppetit: there is nothing in heat/cloudformation that could be billed to customers? | 16:27 |
| nijaba | I am not familiar enough with this to have an opinion | 16:28 |
| ppetit | Hmm... on the top of my head no, not really. | 16:28 |
| nijaba | ok, so moot point, then | 16:28 |
| nijaba | let's move on | 16:28 |
| ppetit | Perhaps stuffs like how fast or how slow a cloudformation stack can be deployed | 16:28 |
| nijaba | #topic Open Discusssion | 16:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discusssion (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:28 | |
| jd___ | yeah i though #2 was actually the main point for heat | 16:29 |
| ppetit | that's my understanding 2 | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | ok | 16:29 |
| ppetit | Is there any heat developer around? | 16:29 |
| jd___ | doesn't seems so unfortunately | 16:30 |
| ppetit | :-( | 16:30 |
| nijaba | well, I don't think there is any hurry and we can bring back the subject in a later meeting | 16:30 |
| nijaba | any other topics? | 16:31 |
| ppetit | jd__: that's a relatively important subject regarding project XLcloud. I'd like we keep a close look at it | 16:31 |
| jd___ | sure | 16:31 |
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| nijaba | ppetit: XLcloud? | 16:32 |
| ppetit | check xlcloud.org | 16:32 |
| * nijaba checks | 16:32 | |
| ppetit | Collaborative project around HPC cloud based on OpenStack | 16:32 |
| nijaba | hahh! neat! | 16:32 |
| jd___ | nijaba: xlcloud is planning to use ceilometer, i did a talk about ceilometer, i talked about it when you were on holidays :) | 16:33 |
| * nijaba admits to have only read summaries | 16:33 | |
| jd___ | :D | 16:33 |
| ppetit | And Heat to help with virtual cluster post-install config | 16:33 |
| nijaba | ok | 16:34 |
| nijaba | that sounds exciting | 16:34 |
| ppetit | yes indeed! | 16:34 |
| nijaba | should we move on? | 16:35 |
| nijaba | any other topics for today? | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | nothing here | 16:35 |
| jd___ | here neither | 16:36 |
| nijaba | I personally wanted to thank everyone for the vote of confidence! | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | oh, I will mention that we're working on integration ceilometer with our billing system this sprint | 16:36 |
| ppetit | just let us know about follow of Heat and Ceilometer please | 16:36 |
| nijaba | ppetit: noted! | 16:36 |
| jd___ | dhellmann: that's neat | 16:36 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: yeah! | 16:36 |
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| dhellmann | congratulations, nijaba! | 16:36 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: thanks | 16:37 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: are you going to use the API? | 16:37 |
| * nijaba thinks so... | 16:37 | |
| dhellmann | nijaba: yes | 16:37 |
| nijaba | very cool | 16:38 |
| jd___ | he'd better does! | 16:38 |
| jd___ | :) | 16:38 |
| nijaba | can't wait for the feedback | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | our sprint is 2 more weeks, so I should have more feedback at next week's meeting | 16:38 |
| jd___ | ok | 16:38 |
| nijaba | so, if anyone is going to cloudopen, note that I'll be there in 3 weeks | 16:38 |
| jd___ | i'll try to be present at next meetings, but excuse me in advance if I don't make it :) | 16:39 |
| nijaba | it runs in parallel with linuxcon | 16:39 |
| nijaba | jd___: hey, enjoy your vacation time! | 16:39 |
| jd___ | thanks! | 16:40 |
| nijaba | I guess that's a wrap for today! | 16:40 |
| nijaba | thanks everyone | 16:40 |
| mrevell | Thanks nijaba | 16:40 |
| ppetit | Okay thanks ! Bye | 16:40 |
| nijaba | #endmeeting | 16:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meeting channel. See http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings for schedule and http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/ for meeting logs" | 16:40 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 9 16:40:44 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:40 |
| jd___ | thanks, bye! | 16:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-09-16.00.html | 16:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-09-16.00.txt | 16:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-09-16.00.log.html | 16:40 |
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| dhellmann | thanks! | 16:41 |
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| jkff | Hello. It's now time for the LBaaS meeting. Anyone here for it? | 19:09 |
| jkff | I'm Eugene Kirpichev from Mirantis | 19:09 |
| jkff | Our current progress is as follows: | 19:10 |
| jkff | The team has almost finished the core code and is about to start working on the F5 driver. | 19:10 |
| jkff | Most of the external API is implemented, and it's planned to polish the driver/core interaction logic while working on F5 | 19:10 |
| jkff | Also, filtering of LB's by their capabilities is almost ready in a separate branch, will be merged to master in the nearest few days | 19:11 |
| jkff | We've been also talking with a few LB vendors and they seem very excited. | 19:11 |
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| jkff | The dominating topic is Quantum integration, on which we'll have more news in the next days. | 19:12 |
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| n0ano | anyone here for the orchestration meeting? | 20:04 |
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| vishy | #startmeeting | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 9 21:00:41 2012 UTC. The chair is vishy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| markmc | yo! | 21:01 |
| russellb | hi. | 21:01 |
| vishy | #link Agenda: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/Nova | 21:01 |
| mikal | Oh hai | 21:01 |
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| * markmc clicks 'Subscribe' on that page, keep forgetting about it | 21:02 | |
| jk0 | hi | 21:02 |
| vishy | #topic XML Support in Nova | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "XML Support in Nova" | 21:03 | |
| vishy | so lzyeval was looking into the current support for xml | 21:03 |
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| vishy | #link http://etherpad.openstack.org/NovaAPIXMLSupport | 21:04 |
| vishy | so a whole bunch of the extensions don't support XML serialization right now | 21:04 |
| vishy | * deserialization | 21:04 |
| vishy | and because we have no end-to-end xml tests it is likely that the ones that do are broken | 21:05 |
| vishy | he also mentioned that some have deserializers but no serializers, so if any post requests take nested data they are likely broken as well | 21:05 |
| vishy | so the question is: what do we do about it. | 21:05 |
| vishy | option 1) announce in the release notes that xml is not going to be maintained | 21:06 |
| vishy | option 2) is file bugs against all the serializers and get those fixed and put together some end-to-end xml testing | 21:06 |
| vishy | option 3) ???? | 21:07 |
| vishy | any ideas? | 21:07 |
| markmc | well, (2) requires a volunteer | 21:07 |
| markmc | even to just file the bugs etc. | 21:07 |
| vishy | is there another option that I'm not considering? | 21:07 |
| russellb | so, put out a call for volunteers to do 2, and in the absence of that getting done, 1? | 21:08 |
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| vishy | i guess there is a middle ground of checking the most important extensions | 21:08 |
| russellb | i guess that's some variation of 2 ... | 21:08 |
| markmc | (3) mark it as "experimental" somehow, maybe require a flag to be set for it to be enabled | 21:08 |
| vishy | and making sure that basic funcionality works. Saying hey, the cloudpipe controller is json only etc. | 21:08 |
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| vishy | here is the real question: there are a lot of bugs that can be worked on | 21:09 |
| vishy | how do we prioritize xml vs the other set of bugs? | 21:09 |
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| vishy | and do we lose community support if we say we don't care about xml | 21:09 |
| vishy | doesn't sound like we have the answer to that here | 21:10 |
| markmc | the main thing is to make the current state clear to everyone | 21:10 |
| markmc | you can't force folks to fix it | 21:10 |
| markmc | and you're right, it's not like nova-core should drop everything and just fix it | 21:10 |
| markmc | and it's not a great option to just remove it either | 21:10 |
| vishy | #action vishy to email the list about current state of xml and ask for bug reports and volunteers to fix it. | 21:11 |
| eglynn | have many or even any bugs been filed against the current incomplete XML support? | 21:11 |
| _0x44 | Especially when you consider that the one person who ostensibly cares the most about xml has publicly asked us to kill it. | 21:11 |
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| vishy | eglynn: the only person i know who filed bugs against it was justinsb | 21:11 |
| eglynn | (an indication of whether the community really cares about XML support) | 21:11 |
| markmc | _0x44, that's obtuse for any of us who don't know the history | 21:11 |
| * markmc thinks xml is a nice feature, if it worked | 21:11 | |
| eglynn | yep agreed, but incomplete/broken is worse in a way ... | 21:12 |
| vishy | justinsb was a big java advocate, likes xml, but specifically stated he prefers a working json implementation to a buggy xml implementation | 21:12 |
| markmc | heh, ok | 21:12 |
| vishy | that is the history :) | 21:12 |
| _0x44 | markmc: Sorry, justinsb was writing a client for Java and wanted to use the XML apis but couldn't because they're shit. | 21:12 |
| markmc | _0x44, cool, thanks | 21:12 |
| vishy | ok next topic, we will see if we get any help from the ml. | 21:12 |
| vishy | #topic Blueprint / Review Updates | 21:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprint / Review Updates" | 21:13 | |
| vishy | mikal: need anything for Config Drive / Metadata? | 21:13 |
| vishy | seems to be going well | 21:13 |
| mikal | I'm replying to people's reviews now | 21:13 |
| markmc | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/general-host-aggregates | 21:13 |
| mikal | I think the only hard bit left is nailing down the format for file inject | 21:13 |
| mikal | I don't much care what we do | 21:14 |
| mikal | I just want the adults to stop fighting | 21:14 |
| vishy | mikal: yes any format seems fine | 21:14 |
| vishy | mikal: we need a format for network data as well | 21:14 |
| mikal | Padraig pointed out a vulnerability in the way its done now | 21:14 |
| mikal | So that will need to be tweaked a little at the least | 21:14 |
| mikal | At the moment you just get the network data in the format that the inject code gets it | 21:15 |
| vishy | mikal: I would say lets just use a simple json/yaml representation | 21:15 |
| mikal | (Which I think is what original inject did too) | 21:15 |
| russellb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10934/ | 21:15 |
| mikal | Yeah, it would be nice if we could also iterate -- get this code in todayish, and then do another review with tweaks | 21:15 |
| vishy | mikal: yeah i suppose that is fine for now, if someone wants to convert it to some standard format for the next version that is fine | 21:15 |
| mikal | I'll change to a json flavoured inject this morning, cause it fixes Padraig's concerns too | 21:16 |
| * vishy put the blueprints out of order on the agenda | 21:16 | |
| vishy | let me go back to the right order | 21:16 |
| vishy | mikal: sounds good | 21:16 |
| vishy | back to general host aggregates | 21:16 |
| russellb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10256/ | 21:17 |
| vishy | does someone else want to review part 2? | 21:17 |
| markmc | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/general-host-aggregates | 21:17 |
| russellb | i can review it tomorrow | 21:17 |
| vishy | #info we are probably fine pushing this one to grizzly: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10826/ | 21:17 |
| vishy | but we definitely need part 2 in | 21:18 |
| * comstud is here | 21:18 | |
| vishy | the above one would be cool, but i won't cry too loudly if it misses | 21:18 |
| vishy | still great to review it if someone wants to. Just me so far | 21:18 |
| vishy | ok if we get reviews that one is fine | 21:19 |
| vishy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11009/ | 21:19 |
| vishy | needs review | 21:19 |
| vishy | mtaylor: ^^ | 21:19 |
| vishy | status on that fix? | 21:19 |
| markmc | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/integrate-python-glanceclient | 21:20 |
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| vishy | lzyeval: hi | 21:20 |
| vishy | lzyeval: we can discuss xml again in a minute | 21:20 |
| lzyeval | vishy: sure | 21:21 |
| vishy | so reviews on glanceclient are important as well | 21:21 |
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| vishy | looks like yun mao isn't here | 21:21 |
| vishy | i was going to ask if there is more to be done for: | 21:22 |
| dprince | vishy: I can look at glanceclient... | 21:22 |
| vishy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/task-management | 21:22 |
| vishy | dprince: awesome thanks | 21:22 |
| vishy | the server extension blueprint is well underway. The reviews should be easy | 21:22 |
| dansmith | vishy: I know of at least one review that seems to be stalled on the state management stuff | 21:22 |
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| vishy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/disable-server-extensions,n,z | 21:23 |
| markmc | dansmith, yeah, this I presume - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10774/ | 21:23 |
| vishy | dansmith: that last delete in any state review? | 21:23 |
| dansmith | it's his set-task-state-to-none-after-any-failure one, which is similar to what I almost got done earlier | 21:23 |
| markmc | dansmith, haven't gotten around to compare that with your @revert_state patch | 21:23 |
| dansmith | markmc: yep | 21:23 |
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| vishy | yes yun seems to be away for the bast few days | 21:23 |
| markmc | dansmith, I was pretty happy with yours fwiw | 21:23 |
| dansmith | markmc: well, I asked if I should resurrect mine in the face of Johannes' concerns | 21:23 |
| dansmith | markmc: if you think I should just do it, then I will. it's gonna be fairly small now | 21:24 |
| vishy | dansmith: might as well reprop it | 21:24 |
| markmc | yeah, agree | 21:24 |
| dansmith | t'was trying to be polite when I asked, which is so unlike me :) | 21:24 |
| dansmith | vishy: a'ight | 21:24 |
| vishy | #action dansmith to repropose is revert_state decorator | 21:24 |
| vishy | so delete in any state is going well | 21:25 |
| vishy | but it will need some approvals | 21:25 |
| vishy | there are 4 or 5 more patches to go in but they should all be really simple like the last few | 21:25 |
| vishy | sdague: are you still doing the two you have assigned | 21:25 |
| vishy | nati_uen_: ditto | 21:25 |
| vishy | jk0: are you still planning on helping? | 21:25 |
| jk0 | yessir | 21:26 |
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| nati_uen_ | vishy: Not started yet. But I'll finish this in this week | 21:26 |
| vishy | i did a bunch, so there are only a few left, but helping with reviews would also be awesome | 21:26 |
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| sdague | vishy: yes, I'll redo the one that I've got already after the rebase confusion tonight, and get to the other one in the morning | 21:26 |
| jk0 | vishy: had some things come up this week so I wasn't able to help as much as I would have liked | 21:26 |
| vishy | jk0: the last few should be pretty easy | 21:27 |
| jk0 | vishy: but toss reviews my way and I will make time for them | 21:27 |
| jk0 | ok | 21:27 |
| vishy | if you guys don't take them I will probably just bang them out :) | 21:27 |
| sdague | it would be nice if https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10816/ landed, because I'd do some refactoring on the tests after that | 21:27 |
| vishy | jk0: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/disable-server-extensions,n,z | 21:27 |
| sdague | so nova core reviews on that patch by vishy are appreciated | 21:28 |
| vishy | sdague: don't know if you saw, but I put three more reviews into the series | 21:28 |
| sdague | vishy: I guess I didn't notice that yet, I'll go look | 21:28 |
| vishy | still not sure about the plugin framework | 21:28 |
| vishy | comstud: can you have someone review this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9879/ | 21:29 |
| vishy | i think it is good to go, but you guys are the xen users | 21:29 |
| _0x44 | sdague: I just reviewed it | 21:29 |
| vishy | looks like it needs a rebase though | 21:30 |
| comstud | sure | 21:30 |
| vishy | i will ping renuka | 21:30 |
| vishy | but review for content would be good | 21:30 |
| vishy | and we can slam it in after rebase | 21:30 |
| dansmith | git slam | 21:30 |
| dansmith | git: 'slam' is not a git command. See 'git --help'. | 21:30 |
| dansmith | hmm | 21:30 |
| vishy | hehe | 21:31 |
| vishy | so last few | 21:31 |
| vishy | bare metal | 21:31 |
| vishy | they are splitting it into five patches to make reviewing easier | 21:31 |
| vishy | but eyes on those reviews would be awesome | 21:31 |
| markmc | oh, awesome | 21:31 |
| vishy | they have the first couple up | 21:32 |
| vishy | 1 for db 1 for docs | 21:32 |
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| mikal | The db one is still quite big | 21:32 |
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| vishy | #action nova-core to help review bare-metal patches | 21:32 |
| sdague | vishy: once we get to the end of blueprint round up, I had some questions about additional driver reviews (powervm and storwize) | 21:33 |
| vishy | my initial thought is to delay both the ServiceGroup patch and the Cells stuff to post Folsom | 21:33 |
| markmc | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/general-bare-metal-provisioning-framework | 21:33 |
| vishy | thoughts? | 21:33 |
| vishy | #link https://review.openstack.org/10903 | 21:33 |
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| ewindisch | vishy: it might be wishful thinking, but I wanted to use that to supplement the matchmaker. | 21:33 |
| markmc | think delaying cells makes sense | 21:33 |
| comstud | when is the deadline ? | 21:34 |
| ewindisch | (re: ServiceGroup) | 21:34 |
| vishy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10707/ | 21:34 |
| markmc | did my best to dig into it, but it's slow going - gnarly (but awesome) stuff | 21:34 |
| vishy | Tuesday | 21:34 |
| comstud | ya | 21:34 |
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| markmc | grizzly isn't far away :) | 21:34 |
| comstud | i don't have a strong opinion | 21:35 |
| markmc | and it's always cool to have some nice big features lined up ready to merge when a new cycle opens | 21:35 |
| comstud | i'm not upset if it won't merge for folsom | 21:35 |
| vishy | ewindisch: i think the service_group stuff is correct | 21:35 |
| vishy | i'm just worried about potentially breaking things | 21:35 |
| dansmith | last I checked no-db-compute was still listed for folsom.. assume that should be changed now? | 21:35 |
| vishy | it doesn't really give us any value until the other backends are done, so putting it in right now seems a little risky | 21:35 |
| vishy | dansmith: i untargetted it for f-3 | 21:36 |
| russellb | dansmith: correct | 21:36 |
| vishy | but grizzly hadn't been created yet so i didn't move it to grizzly | 21:36 |
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| russellb | ton more work to do, unfortunately | 21:36 |
| vishy | #link: https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/folsom-3 | 21:36 |
| vishy | that is the current stuff | 21:36 |
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| sdague | out of curiosity, when will the grizzly tree open up? | 21:36 |
| ewindisch | vishy: The plan is to hopefully move service group into common, by the way. | 21:36 |
| dansmith | vishy: ah, okay, I see. still says accepted for folsom, but not targetted.. gotcha | 21:36 |
| russellb | dansmith: i think once we cut RCs for folsom ... | 21:37 |
| dansmith | russellb: cool | 21:37 |
| ewindisch | it might be a good candidate for grizzly -- besides the matchmaker requirements, I think everything else that NEEDS this can/will/should wait for Grizzly. | 21:37 |
| vishy | ewindisch: yes that is my thought | 21:37 |
| vishy | sdague: I'm not sure last time we opened it after the first rc | 21:38 |
| vishy | but it made backporting extremely painful | 21:38 |
| vishy | so we might delay it a bit longer | 21:38 |
| ewindisch | vishy: by the way, what is the policy on merging from common after Tuesday? | 21:38 |
| sdague | ok, no worries. Is there already a grizzly-1 tag in launchpad, so we can target cells and service groups for that? | 21:38 |
| russellb | should be no different than any other nova patches ... bug fixes should be fine, features require an exception, right? | 21:39 |
| vishy | ewindisch: for bug fixes its fine | 21:39 |
| markmc | ewindisch, I'll be locking down common for folsom too | 21:39 |
| russellb | markmc: good call | 21:39 |
| markmc | russellb, why thank you :) | 21:39 |
| sdague | that's actually a very interesting question, should there be an attempt to do a broad common -> nova sync before then. I think a number of things are out of sync atm. | 21:39 |
| russellb | i know you just desperately wanted my validation | 21:39 |
| markmc | sdague, yep, we should | 21:39 |
| markmc | sdague, I'll make sure that happens | 21:40 |
| sdague | cool | 21:40 |
| markmc | russellb, validate my sad and lonely patch too, then : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10598/ :) | 21:40 |
| russellb | ha, k | 21:40 |
| vishy | ok any other reviews that i missed? | 21:40 |
| markmc | yes, approx 50 others :) | 21:41 |
| markmc | we're up around 60 now | 21:41 |
| sdague | heh | 21:41 |
| markmc | we had it down to 40 last week | 21:41 |
| vishy | :( | 21:41 |
| markmc | and we can't even blame it on a slew of no-db-messaging patches | 21:41 |
| russellb | :-p | 21:41 |
| dprince | lots of +2's so assuming those are looking good it should go down quick. | 21:41 |
| dansmith | but we can still blame it on russellb without any justification, right? | 21:42 |
| vishy | ok well maybe we need to discuss that in the next topic | 21:42 |
| russellb | sure | 21:42 |
| comstud | lol | 21:42 |
| vishy | #topic Core Work Planning | 21:42 |
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| vishy | review days have fallen off the map along with soren | 21:42 |
| vishy | are they valuable, should we restart them? | 21:42 |
| russellb | not IMO ... i think everyone should be trying to do it along the way | 21:43 |
| comstud | i usually cannot follow the review days | 21:43 |
| mikal | I don't know about others, but having a day assigned to me is awkward because I have to work it around work commitments | 21:43 |
| markmc | it used to kick me into action, but I'm trying to keep more regular about it now | 21:43 |
| jk0 | I'd like to not continue them | 21:43 |
| comstud | so I review randomly | 21:43 |
| vishy | #link http://173.203.107.207/~soren/stats/nova-30days.json | 21:43 |
| vishy | mikal: has been reviewing like a beast | 21:43 |
| dprince | review days almost always conflict with schedules... I like the continual model. | 21:43 |
| vishy | russellb and markmc as well | 21:43 |
| jk0 | reason being, I feel like everyone on the core team is responsible enough to do the job w/o being told | 21:43 |
| russellb | \o/ | 21:44 |
| markmc | smokestack is kicking ass! | 21:44 |
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| mikal | russellb: hi five! | 21:44 |
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| vishy | I've never been a fan of review days myself | 21:44 |
| comstud | jenkins has been doing its share of reviewing, too | 21:44 |
| russellb | i've actually been more slack than usually lately because of no-db-messaging, should be able to pick it back up soon | 21:44 |
| comstud | that's good to see | 21:44 |
| vishy | but every day is a review day for me | 21:44 |
| eglynn | one prob with the review day concept is that the original reviewer may not follow up on revised patch sets that aren't proposed til the next day | 21:44 |
| vishy | so we just all have to buckle down and review as much as possible by tuesday | 21:44 |
| markmc | eglynn, point | 21:45 |
| jk0 | yeah, we should just try to get 1 or more done per day minimal, and we'll be in good shape | 21:45 |
| vishy | after that it is bugfix reviews which will hopefully be easier | 21:45 |
| vishy | so what about bug triaging? | 21:45 |
| russellb | markmc: good point or bad point? you just acknowledged that it was a point. | 21:45 |
| markmc | one more thing on reviews | 21:45 |
| vishy | maybe we just apply the same principle to bugs as soon as f-3 is done? | 21:45 |
| markmc | we should try and share tips for keeping on top of reviews | 21:45 |
| markmc | e.g. | 21:45 |
| markmc | 1) try using 'git review list' rather than the web UI, also 'git review open' and 'git review download' | 21:45 |
| markmc | 2) set up a mail filter to put mail notifications for reviews your subscribed to in a special folder, so you follow up | 21:46 |
| markmc | etc. | 21:46 |
| sdague | markmc: that sounds like it would be an excellent blog post :) | 21:46 |
| mikal | I've been using this: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+-reviewer:mikalstill+-owner:mikalstill,n,z | 21:46 |
| markmc | sdague, hmm, point | 21:46 |
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| markmc | mikal, that's a "nova stuff I haven't looked at" query? | 21:47 |
| mikal | Yeah, "review targets" is what its called in the bookmark | 21:47 |
| mikal | For stuff I've looked at, that's in my personal dashboard already | 21:47 |
| dprince | markmc: nice pointers. I still use http://reviewday.ohthree.com/ to try and go after *the important stuff* first. | 21:47 |
| markmc | dprince, indeed, reviewday is another one | 21:47 |
| mikal | Is there a way to have reviewday show me _only_ nova reviews? | 21:48 |
| dprince | sounds like I need to rename now that 'review days' are out of style though :( | 21:48 |
| * markmc ponders having 'git review list' sort by reviewday score | 21:48 | |
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| markmc | and include test results | 21:48 |
| dprince | mikal: I could add tabs for that. | 21:48 |
| vishy | mikal: scroll down? | 21:48 |
| vishy | mikal: low tech solution :) | 21:48 |
| mikal | Yeah, I've been practising my scrolling skills | 21:48 |
| markmc | oh, another tip | 21:49 |
| markmc | learn gerrit's shortcut keys | 21:49 |
| markmc | handy | 21:49 |
| markmc | just hit '?' in a review | 21:49 |
| jk0 | my secret sauce is maintaining inbox 0, so I immediately see and handle new mail | 21:49 |
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| russellb | i maintain inbox 0 using mail filters. works great. | 21:50 |
| * jk0 uses no filters | 21:50 | |
| jk0 | just command + a, delete! | 21:50 |
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| jk0 | jk :) | 21:50 |
| vishy | do we have a place for handy review tips? | 21:50 |
| vishy | in the wiki | 21:50 |
| russellb | to the wiki! | 21:50 |
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| vishy | #action nova-core to do lots of reviews by Tuesday | 21:51 |
| markmc | heh, nice | 21:51 |
| sdague | honestly, a blog post on the planet would probably get more attention than the wiki | 21:51 |
| vishy | #action nova-core to switch to bug-fixing after F-3 | 21:51 |
| markmc | vishy, sorry, you moved onto bug triage | 21:51 |
| lzyeval | sdague: But everyone should first tip in the wiki | 21:52 |
| vishy | sdague: agreed, although I was thinking put stuff in the wiki and email about it | 21:52 |
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| lzyeval | sdague: and then post it on planet | 21:52 |
| vishy | #topic XML redux | 21:52 |
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| sdague | sure, fair | 21:52 |
| vishy | lzyeval: so I shared the etherpad earlier | 21:52 |
| vishy | do you have any new information? | 21:52 |
| markmc | #action markmc start a ReviewerTips wiki page | 21:52 |
| lzyeval | vishy: Well that etherpad is about how many handlers each controllers have xml support | 21:53 |
| vishy | we decided to send out an email asking for some help bug reporting and fixing if people care about xml support | 21:53 |
| lzyeval | vishy: yeah and so I tried to find a method to do end to end tests | 21:53 |
| lzyeval | and it seems only writing unittest would be the answer | 21:54 |
| lzyeval | like | 21:54 |
| lzyeval | nova/tests/api/openstack/compute/test_images.py | 21:54 |
| vishy | lzyeval: my thinking was hack novaclient to do xml in addition to json and run exercises.sh | 21:54 |
| vishy | :) | 21:54 |
| lzyeval | vishy: then do we write the request format manually? | 21:55 |
| lzyeval | vishy: I've seen api.openstack.org for the request and responses for XML | 21:55 |
| vishy | well yes we would have to serialize into xml as well as json | 21:56 |
| lzyeval | vishy: but suspicious of it being out of date | 21:56 |
| vishy | kind of annoying but it would at least give us basic functionality | 21:56 |
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| lzyeval | vishy: So it would be a form of a smoketest? | 21:56 |
| vishy | lzyeval: There are some with xml tests included like: nova/tests/api/openstack/compute/contrib/test_extended_status.py | 21:57 |
| vishy | so that helps a bit, but without a little bit of devstack/exercises.sh testing i really have no confidence | 21:57 |
| lzyeval | vishy: one last thing is "is it worth the effort"? | 21:59 |
| lzyeval | I think we are all thinking of dropping xml | 21:59 |
| lzyeval | quantum team also. | 21:59 |
| vishy | lzyeval: yes that was the conclusion we came to but I don't think we can just arbitrarily drop it in the current version of the api | 22:00 |
| vishy | lzyeval: we just need to give people reasonable expectations about what works | 22:00 |
| vishy | i will go to the mailing list with a request for help. If we get none, then we will just have to assume that it doesn't matter and we will tell people not to use it. | 22:01 |
| lzyeval | Ok then, but I'll need some help. I'll devise a plan and start post on ML | 22:01 |
| lzyeval | vishy: ok | 22:01 |
| sdague | vishy: before we wrap up (give time), I'd like to ask about driver reviews. There is a powervm (nova.virt) and storwize (nova.volume) driver out for review, and it would be nice to get some non-ibm eyes on them. | 22:01 |
| vishy | sdague: ok | 22:02 |
| sdague | the storwize one is in cinder, but it's a cross port to nova-volume in case nova-volume is only deprecated for folsom (not removed) | 22:02 |
| vishy | I'm really hoping that we can start keeping those out of tree | 22:02 |
| vishy | sdague: if it is in cinder already then we can merge it | 22:02 |
| sdague | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10535/ | 22:03 |
| vishy | I'd prefer to keep them aligned as possible before the s3 release | 22:03 |
| markmc | another thing worth mentioning is the thread about the default for rpc_backend | 22:03 |
| markmc | more nova-core opinions needed | 22:03 |
| markmc | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2012-August/000445.html | 22:03 |
| sdague | vishy: yes, the storwize team is cross syncing | 22:03 |
| vishy | sdague: the powervm one i will try to look at tomorrow | 22:03 |
| sdague | vishy: so is the intent to start removing virt drivers entirely? | 22:04 |
| sdague | just trying to understand the comment about out of tree | 22:04 |
| vishy | separate packages for drivers seems like a really good way to do it | 22:04 |
| russellb | though that's certainly not happening for folsom at this point ... | 22:04 |
| vishy | sdague: I don't know why nova-core needs to review a bugfix to the storwise driver for example | 22:05 |
| sdague | ok, fair, as long as it's consistent. just don't want to make 2 classes of drivers, in and out of tree. | 22:05 |
| vishy | russellb: clearly, but we should revisit at the summit | 22:05 |
| russellb | fair enough | 22:05 |
| sdague | vishy: right, definitely fair | 22:05 |
| vishy | for grizzly I'd like to have drivers be packages | 22:05 |
| dansmith | packages == separate trees, or ? | 22:05 |
| vishy | dansmith: separate trees would probably be easier | 22:05 |
| sdague | vishy: that means making a much stronger driver api contract | 22:05 |
| markmc | heh, talk about a can of worms for the end of the meeting :) | 22:05 |
| dansmith | because they can all be in nova.git and pacakged separately by distros, right? | 22:05 |
| markmc | sdague, right | 22:06 |
| vishy | dansmith: that might be step one | 22:06 |
| vishy | dansmith: if we could get a way to give +2 rights to subtrees that would be amazing | 22:06 |
| vishy | so a person could own an approval if it only touched files under a certain tree. | 22:06 |
| russellb | so, action: vishy to review new driver for folsom consideration? | 22:06 |
| dansmith | I suppose there'd also need to be some CI work done so that all the drivers are checked, even those outside nova.git | 22:07 |
| sdague | yeh, ok, so we'll take that one to summit then. I think this gets into the extension points ideas as well | 22:07 |
| vishy | russellb: sure | 22:07 |
| russellb | before we get too far into the weeds when we're already past the hour :) | 22:07 |
| markmc | vishy, yeah, something like that makes good sense | 22:07 |
| dansmith | vishy: yeah, that's a good goal, but definitely takes some orchestration to make sure that it doesn't get out of hand | 22:07 |
| vishy | #action vishy to review power_vm driver | 22:07 |
| russellb | if it's self contained enough, seems like a good candidate for a FFE after the freeze | 22:07 |
| sdague | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9666/ | 22:07 |
| russellb | if it doesn't happen in the next few days | 22:07 |
| vishy | anything else? | 22:07 |
| russellb | you guys all rock. <3 nova. that is all. | 22:08 |
| markmc | we appear to have a lot of things going on | 22:08 |
| sdague | russellb: +! | 22:08 |
| sdague | russellb: +1 | 22:08 |
| vishy | ok | 22:09 |
| vishy | letus continue with reviews then | 22:09 |
| vishy | #endmeeting | 22:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meeting channel. See http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings for schedule and http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/ for meeting logs" | 22:09 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 9 22:09:54 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:09 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-09-21.00.html | 22:09 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-09-21.00.txt | 22:09 |
| vishy | thanks everyone! | 22:10 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-09-21.00.log.html | 22:10 |
| russellb | thanks vishy | 22:10 |
| mikal | Yeah, thanks guys | 22:10 |
| sdague | thanks vishy, et al | 22:10 |
| markmc | good night! | 22:10 |
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