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| primeministerp | morning everyone Hyper-v discussion in 10 minutes | 14:50 |
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| primeministerp | #startmeeting | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 14 15:00:02 2012 UTC. The chair is primeministerp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| primeministerp | Hi all welcome to the weekly Hyper-V meeting | 15:00 |
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| primeministerp | I sent out the agenda for discussion | 15:00 |
| primeministerp | to start we'll discuss the submission | 15:00 |
| primeministerp | #topic Hyper-V code submission | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Hyper-V code submission" | 15:00 | |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: submitted the code yesterday | 15:01 |
| primeministerp | as of last night we have successfully passed throught he jenkins and smokestack gates with a +1 | 15:01 |
| primeministerp | some comments have be made regarding some additional formating | 15:01 |
| primeministerp | and we are in the process of the cleaning that up and resubmitting | 15:01 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: do you want to raise the point on one of the comments | 15:02 |
| primeministerp | tr3buchet: alexpilotti or are you planning to reply to the comments you had questions on directly? | 15:02 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: that was for you | 15:03 |
| primeministerp | tr3buchet: sorry about that | 15:03 |
| * primeministerp waits | 15:04 | |
| primeministerp | ok | 15:06 |
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| primeministerp | let's move on until alexpilotti is back | 15:07 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: so based on those comments the only thing to fix is the indents in the volume.py? | 15:08 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: I've asked pedro to take a look at the indents | 15:09 |
| pnavarro | primeministerp: I'm on it | 15:09 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: i guess alexpilotti may have already done it | 15:10 |
| primeministerp | he's skyping me while correcting it | 15:10 |
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| alexpilotti | primeministerp: pnavarro sotrry guys I was answering those comments | 15:11 |
| primeministerp | grat | 15:11 |
| primeministerp | er great | 15:11 |
| primeministerp | mtaylor: any chance for some +1 love? | 15:11 |
| primeministerp | vishy: +1 for hyper-v? | 15:11 |
| alexpilotti | mtaylor: they ask to get rid of get_connection in driver.py | 15:12 |
| alexpilotti | mtaylor: we kept it for compatibility w the essex code base. Do we have to remove it? | 15:12 |
| primeministerp | vishy: ^^ | 15:12 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: if we can't get a response in this meeting, send an email to the list asking | 15:13 |
| primeministerp | ok I'll move on | 15:13 |
| primeministerp | #topic hyper-v ci | 15:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "hyper-v ci" | 15:14 | |
| primeministerp | so the hyper-v ci has some issues, suffered a hw failure yesterday | 15:14 |
| primeministerp | We'll be setting up to start the base unit tests on hyper-v to trigger from zuul | 15:14 |
| primeministerp | and start building from that | 15:15 |
| primeministerp | also we'll shooting for everything to be in place hopefully in the next 2 weeks | 15:15 |
| alexpilotti | I removed get_connection from our code base, I'll waut for more comments to commit, as it is not affecting at all the code base | 15:15 |
| primeministerp | ok | 15:16 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: so it was completely unneeded? | 15:16 |
| primeministerp | even for essex compat? | 15:16 |
| alexpilotti | primeministerp: for essex it is | 15:16 |
| primeministerp | ok | 15:16 |
| primeministerp | hopefully we can get some comments | 15:17 |
| mtaylor | alexpilotti: hey | 15:17 |
| primeministerp | mtaylor: hey now | 15:17 |
| mtaylor | so, is essex compat needed? | 15:17 |
| alexpilotti | mtaylor: well, we can keep a separate driver.py | 15:18 |
| mtaylor | I mean, this isn't going to get merged back into stable/essex... | 15:18 |
| alexpilotti | mtaylor: for sure, it's just for our internal tests | 15:18 |
| mtaylor | ah, I suppose you could - but why not just steer people towards folsom for hyperv support? | 15:18 |
| mtaylor | gotcha | 15:18 |
| alexpilotti | mtaylor: but since it was a 2 lines innocuous method, I just left it there | 15:19 |
| primeministerp | well i guess that's a discussion we could have | 15:19 |
| primeministerp | should be able to get backported to essex | 15:19 |
| primeministerp | or do we not want to care | 15:19 |
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| alexpilotti | mtaylor: anyway, I just removed it, will send it w the next review | 15:19 |
| primeministerp | we can leave the essex integration sort of where it is | 15:19 |
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| mtaylor | cool cool | 15:20 |
| primeministerp | for hyper-v specifically we were always targeting folsom as the reintegration point | 15:20 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: do we want to vote | 15:20 |
| mtaylor | yeah - so, backported to essex... | 15:20 |
| primeministerp | mtaylor: what's your take? | 15:20 |
| mtaylor | would be adding a feature to stable/essex | 15:20 |
| mtaylor | and I can say it just flat wont' happen | 15:20 |
| primeministerp | perfect | 15:21 |
| mtaylor | :) | 15:21 |
| primeministerp | that's an easy answer to accept | 15:21 |
| primeministerp | so | 15:21 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: remove it and let's move on | 15:21 |
| primeministerp | mtaylor: how's about some +1 love then once we address the comments ;) | 15:21 |
| primeministerp | ok | 15:22 |
| mtaylor | primeministerp: I'll do my best | 15:22 |
| primeministerp | mtaylor: all i can ask | 15:22 |
| primeministerp | mtaylor: every bit is appreciated | 15:22 |
| primeministerp | ok | 15:22 |
| primeministerp | moving on then | 15:22 |
| primeministerp | #topic puppet/hyper-v/openstack | 15:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "puppet/hyper-v/openstack" | 15:22 | |
| primeministerp | so I've got the beginings of a puppet manifest for hyper-v/openstack | 15:23 |
| primeministerp | I've spoke with our friends at puppetlabs | 15:23 |
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| primeministerp | they've been extremely helpful in some overall direction | 15:23 |
| primeministerp | as well as put me in touch with some others doing puppet on windows. | 15:23 |
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| primeministerp | I was hoping someone from CERN was available | 15:24 |
| primeministerp | as maybe we could tap them for some more testing and assistance on the puppet manifest | 15:24 |
| primeministerp | I'll make note to reach out to Jose and see if there's interest in assisting | 15:24 |
| primeministerp | if that's anything else that needs to be addressed? | 15:25 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: alexpilotti? | 15:25 |
| alexpilotti | primeministerp: just waiting for somebody to comment | 15:25 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: not sure if we're going to get it | 15:26 |
| alexpilotti | primeministerp: on the code | 15:26 |
| primeministerp | let's ask | 15:26 |
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| primeministerp | anyone any comments on the Hyper-V code that we can address now? | 15:26 |
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| primeministerp | this is definately the forum for any concerns to be addressed | 15:27 |
| alexpilotti | mtaylor: how does it work with the comments? if the gerrit sum is > 0 we are simply in? | 15:27 |
| alexpilotti | I left a comment on #Openstack-dev if anybody wants to discuss it here | 15:28 |
| primeministerp | ok | 15:28 |
| primeministerp | perfect | 15:28 |
| primeministerp | we'll wait a few more before i close the meeting | 15:29 |
| primeministerp | also | 15:29 |
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| primeministerp | jaypipes: jay! | 15:29 |
| primeministerp | jaypipes: mind answering a quick question about the gerrit cycle | 15:29 |
| jaypipes | primeministerp: sure thing | 15:29 |
| primeministerp | jaypipes: if we are >0 does that mean we will offically be in | 15:29 |
| primeministerp | or does some other magic have to happen | 15:30 |
| primeministerp | is there a minimum number we have to hit | 15:30 |
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| jaypipes | primeministerp: you need to get 2 +2s from core reviewers and complete the Jenkins gate successfully | 15:30 |
| primeministerp | jaypipes: thank you | 15:30 |
| jaypipes | np! | 15:30 |
| primeministerp | so time to start sending gifts to core reviewers | 15:31 |
| primeministerp | ;) | 15:31 |
| pnavarro | hehehehe | 15:31 |
| primeministerp | just kidding | 15:31 |
| pnavarro | I can propose an spanish jambon... | 15:31 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: that won't make out of my kitchen | 15:31 |
| primeministerp | if it's what i think it is | 15:31 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: is that good enough? | 15:32 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: of an answer? | 15:32 |
| alexpilotti | primeministerp: I got the same answer on #Openstack-infra | 15:33 |
| primeministerp | o perfect | 15:33 |
| primeministerp | ok then | 15:33 |
| primeministerp | if no one has anything else to add, i'll call the meeting | 15:33 |
| alexpilotti | primeministerp, jaypipes: given that the deadline is tonite, do we need two core reviewers doing it today? | 15:33 |
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| alexpilotti | primeministerp, jaypipes is there a list of core reviewers? | 15:33 |
| primeministerp | hmm | 15:34 |
| primeministerp | http://wiki.openstack.org/Nova/ReviewDays | 15:34 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: ^ | 15:34 |
| jaypipes | alexpilotti: yes, ASAP. | 15:35 |
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| alexpilotti | primeministerp, jaypipes how can we get who are the reviewers today? | 15:36 |
| alexpilotti | primeministerp: jaypipes that list arrives to Aug 1st | 15:36 |
| jaypipes | alexpilotti: all of nova core is on today. :) | 15:36 |
| primeministerp | jaypipes: awesome | 15:36 |
| jaypipes | alexpilotti: it's crunch time. | 15:36 |
| primeministerp | perfect | 15:37 |
| primeministerp | thanks jay | 15:37 |
| alexpilotti | jaypipes: so, who can we ping for that? | 15:37 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: i believe what he means is if we submit it someone will have to review it | 15:37 |
| alexpilotti | jaypipes: is Tiago Mello a core reviewer? | 15:37 |
| primeministerp | jaypipes: please clearify if i'm wrong | 15:37 |
| vishy | alexpilotti: the get_connection compatibility is just for people that need backwords compatibility | 15:37 |
| vishy | * drivers that need | 15:38 |
| primeministerp | vishy: thanks for joining | 15:38 |
| vishy | since hyper-v wasn't aound in essex I don't know that it matters | 15:38 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: that's why we left it there. We just voted to remove it anyway | 15:38 |
| vishy | oh, cool | 15:38 |
| jaypipes | alexpilotti: vishy, bcwaldon, blamar, markwash, Johannes, _0x44, jkoelker, jk0, maoy, mikal, soren, termie | 15:38 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: tx :-) | 15:38 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: so are were clear on what needs to be done then? | 15:39 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: is there something we can do to hep for the review? | 15:39 |
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| primeministerp | vishy: other than addressing the comments asap | 15:39 |
| jaypipes | alexpilotti: answer comments and questions quickly and keep on reviewers to do the reviews... that's about it. | 15:39 |
| vishy | alexpilotti: doubtful, there are just a million really big reviews that dropped right at the end | 15:39 |
| pnavarro | vishy: you know pizzas, sodas, massages... | 15:40 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: sorry for the silly qestion: does it mean that we will reviewed in case in the forthcoming days, or that we could not make it for Folsom? | 15:40 |
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| vishy | alexpilotti: we will decide whether to give it an FFE if it doesn't make it today | 15:41 |
| primeministerp | vishy: and FFE is exactly what? | 15:41 |
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| primeministerp | Feature Freeze Exemption? | 15:41 |
| vishy | Exception | 15:42 |
| vishy | yes | 15:42 |
| vishy | or maybe it is Exemption :p | 15:42 |
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| primeministerp | vishy: hehe | 15:43 |
| Hitesh | primeministerp: Hi Peter | 15:43 |
| Hitesh | pnavarro: Hi Pedro | 15:43 |
| primeministerp | howdy hitesh | 15:43 |
| alexpilotti | Hitesh: hi! | 15:43 |
| Hitesh | primeministerp: Sorry for being late | 15:43 |
| Hitesh | alexpilotti: Hi Alessandro | 15:44 |
| alexpilotti | jaypipes: until what time do we have to commit updates to the review? | 15:44 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: ok then, i think we know what we need to do | 15:44 |
| alexpilotti | jaypipes: midnight PDT? | 15:44 |
| jaypipes | alexpilotti: I think it might be up to vishy | 15:45 |
| Hitesh | primeministerp: once the discussion done, please let me know to do iteams :) | 15:46 |
| primeministerp | Hitesh: test the new code | 15:46 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: until what time do we have to commit updates to the review? Midnight Pacific time? | 15:46 |
| Hitesh | primeministerp: Ok :) | 15:46 |
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| primeministerp | Hitesh: you can also assist w/ puppet manifests for hyperv if you want | 15:47 |
| Hitesh | pnavarro: currently we are not developing any feautre right? | 15:47 |
| Hitesh | primeministerp: ok :) | 15:47 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: sorry, reformulating: until what time can we commit updates to the review? Midnight Pacific time? | 15:47 |
| primeministerp | Hitesh: I suggest reading throught the meeting notes once we're done so you can catch up | 15:47 |
| Hitesh | primeministerp: Sure | 15:47 |
| Hitesh | primeministerp: will do | 15:47 |
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| primeministerp | Hitesh: then take questions to the usual channel | 15:48 |
| primeministerp | ok | 15:49 |
| primeministerp | if that's it | 15:49 |
| primeministerp | i know there's still the open question to vish alexpilotti | 15:49 |
| primeministerp | however let's followup outside of this channel | 15:50 |
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| primeministerp | ok closing the meeting folks thanks for the comments, please take additinal comments to #openstack-hyper-v | 15:52 |
| primeministerp | #endmeeting | 15:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 14 15:52:35 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-14-15.00.html | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-14-15.00.txt | 15:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-14-15.00.log.html | 15:52 |
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| vishy | alexpilotti: keep doing updates as long as people request them :) | 15:58 |
| primeministerp | vishy: perfect | 15:58 |
| primeministerp | vishy: thanks | 15:58 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: tx! | 15:58 |
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| ayoung | Keystone? | 17:58 |
| heckj | o/ | 18:00 |
| heckj | #startmeeting | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 14 18:00:30 2012 UTC. The chair is heckj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| heckj | #topic agenda at http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:01 |
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| heckj | We're closing in on the feature freeze end of this week | 18:01 |
| heckj | There's a few reviews up that need some lovin' | 18:02 |
| heckj | dolphm, ayoung - if you can take a few minutes over the next two days and review all the open keystone reviews | 18:02 |
| heckj | dolphm has a V3 API initial cut up for review | 18:02 |
| heckj | looking pretty good. | 18:03 |
| heckj | I think we're going to want to continue to move that forward while we keep master relatively locked down with feature requests - any recommendations on how to accomplish this? | 18:03 |
| ayoung | will do | 18:03 |
| ayoung | if he can get an excpetion on policy, can I get one on token revocations? | 18:04 |
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| heckj | ayoung: I was trying to avoid the exceptions and thinking about doing something with feature branches - not sure what mtaylor has as a possibility there | 18:04 |
| heckj | ayoung: however | 18:05 |
| heckj | ayoung: i think the token recovation addition is worthwhile to get added in during the freeze if we get it in soon | 18:05 |
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| ayoung | heckj, we are close, but I would rather get it right, than rush to get it in under the deadline, and then do a slew of bug fixes | 18:05 |
| dolphm | o/ | 18:05 |
| mnewby | ayoung: seconded. | 18:05 |
| dolphm | ayoung: pki revocation? | 18:05 |
| ayoung | mnewby is helping me out, and we've got PKI revocation scared.... | 18:05 |
| heckj | ayoung: totally with you - just do'nt want to add it one week prior to RC cut if we can avoid it | 18:06 |
| ayoung | heckj, we can have it ready for review in the next couple of days, I think | 18:06 |
| mnewby | heckj: I concur | 18:06 |
| heckj | sounds good | 18:06 |
| ayoung | heckj, should we go through and triage the open requests? | 18:06 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/keystone,n,z | 18:07 |
| heckj | ayoung: do you have a question about one? (not sure what to triage there…) | 18:08 |
| ayoung | no... | 18:08 |
| ayoung | I'll take a look offline | 18:08 |
| heckj | kk | 18:08 |
| heckj | #topic Grizzly Design Summit | 18:09 |
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| heckj | #link http://etherpad.openstack.org/GrizzlyKeystoneSessions | 18:09 |
| heckj | We have some suggestions for topics in Grizzly design summit | 18:09 |
| heckj | TTX is getting set up with general scheduling - keystone meetings will be mostly on monday, some tuesday | 18:10 |
| heckj | Last summit I set (almost) all the sessions - this time through I'm going to open it up to y'all to suggest and I'll help schedule coordinate the results | 18:11 |
| heckj | Other than what's the etherpad today - are there any burning topics folks want to bring up at the summit? | 18:11 |
| ayoung | How well understood is Keystone by the community, and how attended do you think our sessions will be based on last time? | 18:11 |
| heckj | I think it's fairly poorly understood actually - many folks have deployment questions about it and "can I use it too…" assuming there are more backends than there are | 18:12 |
| heckj | Last summit, there were a few very vocal folks - but while there was significant attendance, there was little in the way of diverse feedback | 18:12 |
| ayoung | should we have an intro to Keystone session for the rest of the people there? | 18:12 |
| heckj | ayoung: would be a very good idea | 18:13 |
| ayoung | I gave a presentation to the Boston user group. My slides are here: | 18:13 |
| ayoung | http://adam.younglogic.com/presentations/KeystoneFolsom/ | 18:13 |
| heckj | ayoung: we're screwed a bit by the scheduling - most of the general "intro to" workshops are concurrently scheduled with our first day | 18:14 |
| heckj | #link http://adam.younglogic.com/presentations/KeystoneFolsom/ | 18:14 |
| ayoung | We can use that as the starting point. It is probably a good thing for us all to start on the same sheet of music WRT Keystone anyway | 18:14 |
| mnewby | I haven't thought it out too much, but I would like to see some changes to keystone internals to make integration with non-sql backends less painful. | 18:14 |
| heckj | ayoung: nice - I'll steal some of that if it's OK with you | 18:14 |
| dolphm | heckj: ayoung: folsom summit attendance was about double, on average, vs essex attendance, for keystone sessions (not sure how that compares to the size increase of the overall conference?) | 18:14 |
| ayoung | heckj, I can send you a link to the original Open offic presentation | 18:14 |
| heckj | mnewby: sounds like an excellent brainstorming session | 18:14 |
| mnewby | heckj: I would agree. | 18:15 |
| dolphm | mnewby: please share! i'm making some such changes | 18:15 |
| heckj | dolphm: I think it matched the overall the growth | 18:15 |
| mnewby | dolphm: Share here? Or discuss offlin? | 18:15 |
| ayoung | http://etherpad.openstack.org/GrizzlyKeystoneSessions | 18:16 |
| ayoung | mnewby, ^^ | 18:16 |
| heckj | mnewby: if you've got some early thoughts, feel free to start some email threads too | 18:16 |
| mnewby | ok | 18:16 |
| heckj | (or here too) | 18:16 |
| dolphm | mnewby: up to you -- i just want to know what's on your mind | 18:16 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I suspect it is the case where there is some centralize auth server for the organization that is read only WRT openstack, but you need to keep group info local...hybrid LDAP SQL for example | 18:17 |
| ayoung | users come out of LDAP, projects and roles are local. Users are read only. Authentication uses LDAP. | 18:17 |
| heckj | ayoung: that's coming out as a very common use case | 18:17 |
| mnewby | Briefly, Keystone exposes a driver model for identity to aid in extensibility, but the way the driver is used is really only useful for an sql or memory-backed service. | 18:17 |
| dolphm | ayoung: so, a more granular breakdown of catalog | identity | tokens | policy | 18:17 |
| ayoung | dolphm, probably more like the ability to split identity | 18:18 |
| ayoung | maybe authZ vs authN | 18:18 |
| mnewby | +1000 | 18:18 |
| mnewby | I'd like to see a cleaner separation between z and n. | 18:18 |
| mnewby | They are really separate contexts, and mixing them makes it difficult to ensure quality code. | 18:19 |
| dolphm | policy is theoretically Z, and identity is theoretically N -- what do you want to move? roles? | 18:19 |
| dolphm | in v3: identity = domains, projects, users, credentials & roles | 18:20 |
| ayoung | dolphm, probably users | 18:20 |
| dolphm | ayoung: out of identity? | 18:20 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I think more the ability to delegate it from identity. | 18:21 |
| ayoung | either it is going to be in the same DB as the rest or | 18:21 |
| heckj | ayoung: let's do this carefully - if at all. I think we need some hybrid backends here, but it's not clear how we should make that possible | 18:21 |
| ayoung | it is going to be read only from remote | 18:21 |
| ayoung | heckj, hence the session to brainstorm | 18:21 |
| ayoung | we don't need to solve it now. | 18:21 |
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| heckj | In particular, I want to see what we can do to allow roles and/or projects to come from groupings in read-only source (active directory LDAP) - right now it's just a freaking Identity backend, but it's all together reasonably | 18:22 |
| heckj | cool - yeah | 18:22 |
| ayoung | Actually, that was what I had in minde with the AD integration. Maybe we should merge that session. | 18:22 |
| heckj | ayoung: yeah - I'd like to come into that session with some concrete work in hand to inform the discussion | 18:23 |
| heckj | (that's my plan, anyway) | 18:23 |
| ayoung | related but different: once the policy mechanism is in place, will we need to provide som precanned policies to support common cases? | 18:23 |
| dolphm | ayoung: policies for not-keystone? | 18:24 |
| ayoung | dolphm, yes | 18:25 |
| heckj | ayoung: That was what I'd asked liemn to help pull together, but he's disappeared this past few weeks | 18:25 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i mean, other projects are already publishing precanned policy.json's | 18:25 |
| ayoung | liemn is off of Openstack, I thought. | 18:25 |
| dolphm | heckj: ^^ | 18:25 |
| heckj | ayoung, dolphm : I wanted to pull them all together and get at least a basic suggested deployment documented | 18:25 |
| heckj | dolphm: yeah - got that note | 18:25 |
| ayoung | dolphm, how about a session which is an over view of the policy mechanism, to include the current state at the start of grizzly development, and what is going to be expected in working with the other projects? | 18:26 |
| primeministerp | heckj: that's what i'm talking about | 18:26 |
| dolphm | heckj: i don't think we should document much more than how to setup a policy for a service -- it's up to the service to provide the actual policy blob | 18:26 |
| mnewby | dolphm: agreed | 18:27 |
| dolphm | heckj: i don't want our docs to get into how-to-deploy-openstack, even though we're at the core of it | 18:27 |
| ayoung | dolphm, yes...but, I think we also need to be prepared to answer other people's policies questions. It would be good if we were all on the same page. Train-the-trainer? | 18:27 |
| primeministerp | heckj: ayoung: please feel free to include me on any AD dicussions | 18:27 |
| heckj | dolphm, mnewby fair enough - but I think openstack as a global project *needs* that information, and some suggestions on how to solve some of those common issues will be coming from us | 18:27 |
| dolphm | heckj: can we just point to a higher level doc at openstack.org? | 18:28 |
| heckj | primeministerp: so far, they | 18:28 |
| dolphm | heckj: maybe a specific section | 18:28 |
| ayoung | primeministerp, this is Summit planning. So we plan on kidnapping you there and duct taping you to a seat to answer the windows specific stuff. Or provide an alternate that we can kidnap | 18:28 |
| dolphm | of something | 18:28 |
| dolphm | which we can write :P | 18:28 |
| primeministerp | haha | 18:28 |
| mnewby | heckj, dolphm: An RFC for how to do policy, without getting into specifics? | 18:28 |
| heckj | primeministerp: they've been happening (or not - all quiet) in openstack-operators mailing list, and discussions here in IRC | 18:28 |
| heckj | mnewby: I want to coordinate with someone doing genearl openstack docs (or just do it myself) to get that information genearlly available | 18:29 |
| mnewby | heckj: +1 | 18:29 |
| heckj | I don't want it to be "keystone docs" , but "how to use Keystone in Openstack" docs | 18:29 |
| primeministerp | heckj: well feel free to tap me as a resource | 18:29 |
| primeministerp | if i can help i will | 18:29 |
| heckj | primeministerp: will do, thank you | 18:29 |
| mnewby | heckj: I think that's a good approach. That way service-specific issues can be documented but don't necessarily have to take keystone resources to do it. | 18:30 |
| ayoung | so it sounds like we need to have two types of sessions, those for the rest of the openstack community, and then planning sessions for us | 18:30 |
| ayoung | We also probably need to identify where it would be useful to have keystone developers listening in on other sessions. | 18:31 |
| ayoung | "Intel Prep of the Battlefield" if you forgive the Army term | 18:31 |
| dolphm | ayoung: that would be awesome | 18:32 |
| heckj | ayoung: +1 | 18:32 |
| heckj | In the past, I've found that I had to do that in the week prior to the summit, because there wasn't general visibiltiy into potential sessions | 18:32 |
| heckj | I'll send an email to ttx and see what we can coordinate to make that easier to find out this time | 18:33 |
| ayoung | yeah, I am guessing that it is going to be last minute. | 18:33 |
| primeministerp | heckj: may I ask a question? How formal is the discussion around AD? | 18:33 |
| dolphm | ayoung: it'd be nice to have all session planner people throw some keywords into their session descriptions a list of "other relevant projects" or whatever | 18:33 |
| heckj | #topic open discussion | 18:33 |
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| dolphm | So, even though its a Quantum session, it's about authz, so "relevant projects: Keystone" | 18:33 |
| ayoung | primeministerp, I was at first planning a break out session of it, but it looks like it makes sense to link in to a discussion about how to split identity out into readonly and writable segments | 18:33 |
| primeministerp | heckj: did you mention any of it to any msft people you may have met at meetups in seatle? | 18:33 |
| heckj | primeministerp: not terribly formal at this point - some questions in the past, notes from folks who've been implementing "Identity" backend/drivers | 18:33 |
| primeministerp | heckj: simple because it's part of the discussion here | 18:34 |
| primeministerp | as work they are looking to do for Grizzley | 18:34 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i guess i'm lost on the need to split by read only / write required ... if you don't want write operations... don't implement them? and 501's get raised appropriately | 18:34 |
| heckj | primeministerp: with the local (seattle) meetups, only that there was some work going on there, but nothing specific got drawn out or brought up | 18:34 |
| ayoung | dolphm, nah, I mean the LDAP stuff I was talking about aboce | 18:35 |
| primeministerp | heckj: I believe you met yigal | 18:35 |
| ayoung | above. | 18:35 |
| heckj | primeministerp: could easily have - I don't always remember everyone I meet there I'm afraid :-) | 18:35 |
| primeministerp | heckj: we can discuss more off meeting if interested, but I think it would be worth while to sync up | 18:36 |
| heckj | primeministerp: sure, happy to | 18:36 |
| primeministerp | heckj: and make sure my mgmt is planning on duplicating existing efforts | 18:36 |
| heckj | primeministerp: I've been hesitant to drive any discussion until I have some time (or resources) to implement, but if folks are struggling to do that work, I want to make it happen and help there | 18:36 |
| primeministerp | heckj: well i have ad implemented and am a bit off from giving people access "today" but can easily arrange access to infrastructure | 18:37 |
| primeministerp | heckj: to speed efforts | 18:37 |
| heckj | (I'd planned for us to do that work this past release team, but didn't get the time to make it happen) | 18:38 |
| primeministerp | *nod* | 18:38 |
| primeministerp | anyway thx for the time | 18:38 |
| heckj | np | 18:39 |
| ayoung | I wonder if we can get the folks that did that Federation proof-of-concept to present | 18:40 |
| ayoung | I'd like to understand it a little better. | 18:40 |
| heckj | ayoung: who did that? | 18:41 |
| ayoung | looking | 18:41 |
| ayoung | "David Chadwick" <d.w.chadwick@kent.ac.uk> | 18:42 |
| ayoung | Subject: Federated Access to Keystone | 18:42 |
| heckj | ayoung: let's definitely see if we can get him to talk about it! | 18:42 |
| ayoung | I think what they have done is removed tokens, and used SAML for all services. | 18:43 |
| heckj | ayoung: did they make their own auth_… middleware for other openstack services? | 18:44 |
| ayoung | There are four docs in drop box | 18:44 |
| heckj | ayoung: link? | 18:44 |
| ayoung | heckj, damned if I know, I am not signing up for a drop box account just tored their docs! | 18:44 |
| ayoung | 1 sec | 18:44 |
| heckj | :-) | 18:44 |
| ayoung | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/44986510/Adding%20federated%20access%20to%20OpenStack%201.pdf | 18:44 |
| ayoung | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/44986510/Client%20Connection%20API%20v1.pdf | 18:44 |
| ayoung | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/44986510/Federated%20Middleware%20Services-v1.pdf | 18:44 |
| ayoung | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/44986510/UserGuide.pdf | 18:44 |
| heckj | yeah - they definitely did their own middleware | 18:45 |
| ayoung | ah..loks like I can read them now | 18:45 |
| heckj | specs mostly, description of operation | 18:46 |
| ayoung | I think it is their own middleware...and that leaves the question of how they do service catalog support | 18:46 |
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| heckj | yeah - I presume they're embedding it somewhere, but lord knows where | 18:46 |
| heckj | ayoung: I'm mostly interested in their driving use cases that resulted in this implementation | 18:47 |
| ayoung | heckj, so we can have that integrated in to the Federation session | 18:47 |
| heckj | ayoung: yeah | 18:48 |
| ayoung | One thing I am surprised we have not been bugged about is providing a store for user preferences from the WebUI. | 18:50 |
| heckj | ayoung: so far they (horizon folks) have been stashing them into session cookies and keeping it pretty light | 18:52 |
| ayoung | OK...well, if they don't ask, we won't offer | 18:52 |
| heckj | :-) | 18:52 |
| heckj | we've got enough to pull off with credentials :-) | 18:52 |
| heckj | Anyone have other topics? I need to kick out into other meetings... | 18:53 |
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| mnewby | nothing from me. | 18:54 |
| ayoung | I need to get back to PKI revocation...and so does mnewby | 18:54 |
| ayoung | :) | 18:54 |
| dolphm | heckj: quick api consistency Q: the two attributes Credential.data and Policy.policy should have the same attribute name, i'm thinking, and the spec is unclear whether Credential.data is actually supposed to be serialized or not? | 18:54 |
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| heckj | dolphm: I wasn't entirely sure what credentials needed there - so fundamentally, I don't know | 18:55 |
| dolphm | heckj: as i recall, the description describes Credential.data as a serialized blob, but it's just a deeper json tree in the example | 18:55 |
| ayoung | BTW, on the V3 API, should we make it explicit that the client needs to send the "Content-Type:application/json" header | 18:56 |
| heckj | dolphm: I think the only hard example we really have are the EC2 credentials, and a desire to host SSH keys for logging into instances | 18:56 |
| heckj | ayoung: what's your preference? | 18:57 |
| dolphm | heckj: i think they should both just be serialized blobs then | 18:57 |
| heckj | dolphm: kk | 18:57 |
| heckj | I need to skip out guys - be online later... | 18:58 |
| heckj | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
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| ayoung | heckj, I think so...I need to research what the HTML/HTTP spec says about it, but I doubt JSON by default is the intention | 18:58 |
| dolphm | heckj: /salute | 18:58 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 14 18:58:11 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-14-18.00.html | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-14-18.00.txt | 18:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-14-18.00.log.html | 18:58 |
| heckj | ayoung: thanks | 18:58 |
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| clarkb | mtaylor: still stuck with other things? | 19:00 |
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| mtaylor | clarkb: yes | 19:03 |
| clarkb | jeblair LinuxJedi shall we meet? anyone else? | 19:04 |
| jeblair | i'm not sure we can meet without mtaylor | 19:05 |
| jeblair | i asked someone to show up today specifically so that mtaylor could address his concerns | 19:05 |
| jeblair | it's unfortunate he can't attend. | 19:05 |
| jeblair | my work is also blocked waiting on mtaylor, so that's not useful either. | 19:06 |
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| mtaylor | ok. I'm here | 19:07 |
| jeblair | glad to hear it | 19:07 |
| harlowja | hey, this is the CI meeting rightttt?? | 19:08 |
| mtaylor | #startmeeting | 19:08 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 14 19:08:12 2012 UTC. The chair is mtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:08 |
| mtaylor | what's up folks? | 19:08 |
| harlowja | so, only thing i have to bring up is possibly, https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1035966 | 19:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1035966 in openstack-ci "Move 'anvil' to stackforge" [Undecided,New] | 19:08 |
| harlowja | i'm fixing it up/cleaning it up for folsom and might be useful to show up in stackforge instead of y! organization | 19:09 |
| harlowja | thoughts? | 19:09 |
| * mtaylor look at bug... | 19:09 | |
| harlowja | k, anvil is similar to devstack for those that are wondering | 19:10 |
| harlowja | but i've tried to add features that devstack doesn't have and tried to refactor it (in python) with other goodies as well | 19:10 |
| mtaylor | ah. hrm. | 19:10 |
| harlowja | example outputs are attached to that bug... | 19:10 |
| harlowja | but its a useful tool, so thats why i think it belongs on stackforge, being that the forge site seems like the right place? | 19:11 |
| mtaylor | yeah - so, are there any concerns? | 19:12 |
| harlowja | not from me (i'd wait on moving it for say another week though as i finish up some fixes in it) | 19:12 |
| harlowja | idk about the devstack guys but devstack seems like it should also be on stackforge, idk | 19:12 |
| harlowja | *i won't push that, but seems to make sense | 19:12 |
| mtaylor | seems to make general sense to me | 19:14 |
| mtaylor | my main concern would be in what testing for it would look like | 19:14 |
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| harlowja | ya, unit level stuff would make sense, the capabiltiiy to do more than that could be added on (setting up openstack components on diffferent distros...), but that might not be useful since thats approaching integration tests (but idk) | 19:15 |
| mtaylor | exactly, and that winds up starting to be a larger engineering effort | 19:16 |
| mtaylor | I'd like to keep it to unittesty stuff, because that's all stuff you can manage pretty easily by just putting in patches to the puppet repo | 19:16 |
| harlowja | thats fine with me | 19:16 |
| mtaylor | kk. then I don't see any difference between this and heat from a suitability perspective | 19:17 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: is there documentation on how a project joins stackforge? and what is expected, as far as self-managing and ci? | 19:17 |
| harlowja | ya, that'd be useful also, cause i wasn't really sure :) | 19:17 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: there is not. so far it's all been one off requests | 19:17 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: and I believe the expectation is that the project should be mostly self-suffient | 19:18 |
| mtaylor | iirc, the fine folks at heat added all of their job-builder and zuul config themselves | 19:18 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: ok. i thought there used to be docs, but i couldn't find them. | 19:18 |
| * LinuxJedi thought I wrote them too, I guess I thought about writing them and it didn't happen | 19:18 | |
| * mtaylor could be wrong about the docs | 19:19 | |
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| harlowja | might be useful to have more docs, i could see alot of 'tools' or similar wanted to get on that site | 19:19 |
| harlowja | since it seems to be the centeral openstack useful tools 'place' | 19:19 |
| jeblair | http://ci.openstack.org/stackforge.html | 19:19 |
| jeblair | huh | 19:19 |
| jeblair | it's not linked | 19:19 |
| mtaylor | weird | 19:21 |
| harlowja | right, i just wonder if its useful to have a what could showup on stackforge list, but idk | 19:21 |
| harlowja | ' similar to that of the main OpenStack project but for use with projects that are not under the main OpenStack umbrella.' is pretty vague ;) | 19:21 |
| jeblair | harlowja: so how to create the jenkins jobs is not very well documented at the moment, you may have to do some digging. it's all in the openstack-ci-puppet repo. | 19:22 |
| harlowja | np | 19:22 |
| jeblair | harlowja: one of us will have to do the initial import into gerrit, but you should be able to self-manage the jenkins bits after that. | 19:22 |
| harlowja | cool beans | 19:22 |
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| mtaylor | jeblair: any other concerns from your end? | 19:23 |
| jeblair | i think that covers it | 19:24 |
| mtaylor | cool cool. then harlowja we'll sync up with you on getting you imported and stuff | 19:25 |
| harlowja | sweet | 19:25 |
| harlowja | thx guys! | 19:25 |
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| mtaylor | jeblair: you mentioned being blocked on me ... | 19:26 |
| jeblair | i have made no progress on backups, other than to find out that hpcloud requires custom novaclient in order to use their block storage | 19:26 |
| mtaylor | awesome. so, apparently that's a diablo v. folsom issue | 19:27 |
| jeblair | i don't feel that's appropriate for a project level activity like this -- they're not even available without an hpcloud account. | 19:27 |
| mtaylor | in that novaclient apparently has ceased supporting diablo or something | 19:27 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: the bug indicated it was related to keystone. | 19:27 |
| mtaylor | I agree - I do not think that we should use a modified novaclient | 19:27 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: yeah, apparently something changed between now and then and novaclient doesn't support the old way at all? | 19:29 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: that's vague | 19:29 |
| mtaylor | anyhoo | 19:29 |
| mtaylor | apparently block storage is also having data corruption issues at the moment | 19:30 |
| mtaylor | so it might not be terrible that we can't get it | 19:30 |
| jeblair | effectively, we have no viable option for off-site backup (let's define that as at least not the same cloud provider as our main servers) | 19:30 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: what about copies to multiple backup hosts, even if it's on ephemeral drives? | 19:31 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: like, backup to rax and hp az{1,2} - and it would take a 4-way failure to take us all the way to dead | 19:31 |
| mtaylor | ? | 19:31 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: well, i'm unaware of a site-level raid system -- each time hpcloud loses a node, we would need to copy the data back from another host | 19:32 |
| jeblair | (i don't think that's feasible -- no one here is actually interested in backups, so anything that relies on anyone doing anything by hand isn't going to work) | 19:34 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: so do you expect the situation with hpcloud to change, or do we just need to write it off completely? | 19:35 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: I do not expect the situation with hpcloud to change any time in the near future | 19:36 |
| mtaylor | so if the lack of block storage access means that our current plan is unworkable, then I think we will need to come up with a new plan | 19:36 |
| mtaylor | which is quite sad | 19:36 |
| jeblair | it is. hpcloud foils every attempt of ours to use it. | 19:36 |
| LinuxJedi | :( | 19:36 |
| mtaylor | yup | 19:37 |
| LinuxJedi | maybe we should get physical kit from somewhere for this? | 19:37 |
| jeblair | yeah, that may be a good idea. | 19:37 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: got anything laying around? | 19:38 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: hrm | 19:39 |
| * LinuxJedi has a beat-up old Pentium 4 laptop in the loft. Probably more reliable | 19:39 | |
| jeblair | other options: ask other partners if they have something appropriate, or punt until the foundation is formed | 19:39 |
| jeblair | (presumably the foundation will have an interest in this, and a budget to procure commercial solutions if necessary) | 19:39 |
| jeblair | okay, well, if anyone has ideas, let us know. :) | 19:40 |
| LinuxJedi | we all work for companies with data centres with lots of kit. Surely we can punt for a half-rack or something | 19:40 |
| mtaylor | it's not just kit | 19:41 |
| mtaylor | bare metal needs to be managed | 19:41 |
| mtaylor | etc. | 19:41 |
| LinuxJedi | true :/ | 19:41 |
| jeblair | true, a backup server with a degraded raid array is no fun | 19:41 |
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| * mtaylor will ask around | 19:41 | |
| * jeblair anticipates mtaylor getting the response "why not use hpcloud?" | 19:41 | |
| LinuxJedi | lol! :) | 19:42 |
| creiht | mtaylor: you should store backups in swift datastores :) | 19:42 |
| jeblair | creiht: we considered that -- however, that means having read-write credentials to the data store on the hosts being backed up... | 19:42 |
| jeblair | creiht: we'd like our backups to be append-only | 19:42 |
| jeblair | creiht: if you know of a swift provider that supports an append-only configuration, i'm all ears. :) | 19:43 |
| creiht | ahh heh | 19:43 |
| jeblair | so how about some good news? swift is part of the devstack gate now | 19:44 |
| jeblair | i set up bitrot jobs in jenkins: https://jenkins.openstack.org/view/Bitrot/ | 19:44 |
| jeblair | (i'll email the ML about that after the new ones have their first run) | 19:44 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: woohoo! | 19:45 |
| jeblair | i'd like to get someone/group set up to receive email alerts when those fail. maybe QA team, maybe core devs, maybe PTLs, maybe stable-maint... | 19:45 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: ++ | 19:45 |
| mtaylor | ttx: around? thoughts on above? ^^ jaypipes ? | 19:45 |
| jeblair | (if not, i'll bring it up on the ML) | 19:46 |
| jeblair | so in dog-fooding cherry-pick mode, i realized that having gerrit-git-prep do merges while the repo is cherry-picking is problematic | 19:46 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: oh, heh | 19:47 |
| jeblair | if you approve a series of changes, once the first one is cherry-picked, the subsequent ones can't merge because they conflict | 19:47 |
| jeblair | (because an older version of the cherry-picked patch is in their ancestry) | 19:47 |
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| mtaylor | jeblair: I noticed that | 19:47 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: when doing puppet this weekend, but didn't make the causation connection | 19:48 |
| jeblair | so, rather than adding complexity to gerrit-git-prep for that, i started moving that complexity into zuul | 19:48 |
| jeblair | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11349/ | 19:48 |
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| mtaylor | jeblair: saw that come through - looking at it now | 19:48 |
| jeblair | that's a change so that zuul starts managing copies of git repos, and whenever it wants a change tested, it merges/cherry-picks as appropriate whatever changes it wants tested | 19:48 |
| jeblair | so the end result is that zuul passes a single ref to jenkins, and jenkins checks that out and tests it | 19:49 |
| jeblair | thit should make zuul much easier for other people to use, as they (and we!) can (eventually) get rid of the gerrit-git-prep script | 19:49 |
| jeblair | s/thit/this/ | 19:49 |
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| jeblair | mtaylor has a patch submitted to the jenkins git module to fix one problem we'd have with doing that right away | 19:50 |
| jeblair | but we should be able to get to that point, and pretty soon. | 19:50 |
| jeblair | so an open question is where should zuul's git repos be served from -- currently zuul is running on jenkins.o.o, which means they would have to be served from there (via apache, presumably) | 19:50 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: I was just about to ask about that | 19:51 |
| jeblair | we could move zuul to the gerrit server, but they'd still need to be separate from the replica repos, because zuul needs a working tree, and gerrit requires replicas be bare | 19:51 |
| jeblair | (presumably, we could do the work in zuul, and then push the results to the replica repos) | 19:52 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: reading back. | 19:52 |
| jeblair | or we could put zuul on its own server. | 19:52 |
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| jeblair | anyway, it's not too important. we'll find some place. | 19:53 |
| mtaylor | ++ | 19:54 |
| jeblair | once we switch gerrit-git-prep to using the new method, i also plan on renaming all the GERRIT_ env variables, so there will be a bit of an overhaul for all the jenkins jobs that reference them. | 19:54 |
| mtaylor | kk | 19:54 |
| jeblair | after the switch, i'd like to burn in cherry-pick mode some more before we examine changing the projects. | 19:54 |
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| mtaylor | I agree with that - cherry-pick so far has been mildly weird | 19:55 |
| jeblair | eol | 19:55 |
| mtaylor | but that's probably largely the merge thing | 19:55 |
| jeblair | yeah, i think so. but good to be sure. | 19:55 |
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| mtaylor | and with that - I think we're at about time | 19:57 |
| ttx | mtaylor: stable-maint sounds good to me | 19:58 |
| ttx | for bitrot jobs | 19:59 |
| ttx | since they apply to stable/* | 19:59 |
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| jeblair | ttx: cool, i'll make that a strawman suggestion when i post to the ml | 20:00 |
| ttx | jeblair: could be some group that people opt in | 20:00 |
| ttx | I mean, if people are into that... | 20:00 |
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| * med_ thinks there's an endmeeting that needs to occur. | 20:01 | |
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| med_ | mtaylor, ^? | 20:02 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meeting channel. See http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings for schedule and http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/ for meeting logs" | 20:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 14 20:02:31 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-14-19.08.html | 20:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-14-19.08.txt | 20:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-14-19.08.log.html | 20:02 |
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| ttx | o/ | 21:00 |
| ttx | heckj, notmyname, bcwaldon, jgriffith, vishy, devcamcar/gabrielhurley, danwent: around ? | 21:01 |
| gabrielhurley | ttx: I believe I'm your devcamcar again... | 21:01 |
| bcwaldon | ttx: hhey | 21:01 |
| notmyname | ttx: here | 21:01 |
| heckj | o/ | 21:01 |
| vishy | o/ | 21:01 |
| ttx | Long meeting ahead, so we'll start now | 21:02 |
| ttx | #startmeeting | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 14 21:02:08 2012 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| ttx | Agenda @ http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:02 |
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| ttx | #info Folsom-3 should be cut at the end of the day, so we'll look into remaining targets and defer/consider exceptions where appropriate | 21:02 |
| ttx | #topic Actions from previous meeting | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from previous meeting" | 21:02 | |
| ttx | * comstud to create a Cells blueprint so that we can track it | 21:02 |
| ttx | vishy: Can't find one yet. I guess this is Grizzly material now ? | 21:02 |
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| vishy | ttx: yes appears so | 21:04 |
| ttx | #topic Keystone status | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Keystone status" | 21:04 | |
| ttx | heckj: o/ | 21:04 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/folsom-3 | 21:04 |
| ttx | Not much apparent progress since last week... | 21:04 |
| ttx | document-deployment-suggestions-policy being doc-only can be postponed to RC1... | 21:04 |
| ttx | heckj: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/pki : Defer/Will be merged today/Exception requested ? | 21:05 |
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| heckj | exception requested | 21:05 |
| ttx | heckj: ETA for that ? | 21:05 |
| heckj | based on feedback from the community, we really want to add in revocation support for the tokens - aiming to have it in within 1 week | 21:05 |
| ttx | heckj: how self-contained is this feature ? | 21:05 |
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| heckj | very | 21:05 |
| ttx | so it doesn't impact "regular use" of keystone ? | 21:06 |
| heckj | nope - not even defaults. It's all for new use of PKI - default is the older token mechanisms | 21:06 |
| ttx | heckj: i'm fine with it, especially if it's the only one in Keystone | 21:06 |
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| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/ocf-support : Couldn't find code proposed... Deferred ? | 21:06 |
| dolphm | yay | 21:06 |
| heckj | ttx: change was abandoned - so deferring it | 21:07 |
| ttx | heckj: Is that all the features that got in F3 ? Or is there anything we should retroactively create ? | 21:07 |
| ttx | #info FFe for pki blueprint, if it gets merged in one week max | 21:07 |
| heckj | That's really it | 21:08 |
| ttx | From the Folsom blueprints, I'll also defer iana-register-port to Grizzly. | 21:08 |
| ttx | heckj: Looking at F3-targeted bugs now, I see two bugs targeted... Are those really F3 publication blockers, or should they be removed from list ? | 21:08 |
| heckj | ttx: they denied us - so will be relooking at that blueprint entirely | 21:08 |
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| ttx | (or pushed back to RC1 milestone) | 21:09 |
| heckj | ttx: not blockers for the release | 21:09 |
| heckj | can be easily kicked back to RC1 milestone - it's also out of the path for normal operation | 21:09 |
| ttx | ok, great | 21:09 |
| ttx | heckj: anything else ? | 21:09 |
| heckj | I need to follow up with mtaylor and jeblair, but we might experiment with a feature branch to continue work on the V3 API while we continue to stabilize keystone for grizzly release | 21:10 |
| ttx | you mean Folsom :) | 21:10 |
| ttx | sounds like a cool experiment | 21:10 |
| ttx | Questions about Keystone ? | 21:10 |
| heckj | yeah - sorry, Folsom | 21:10 |
| dolphm | heckj: good idea | 21:10 |
| ttx | #topic Swift status | 21:11 |
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| ttx | notmyname: hey | 21:11 |
| notmyname | howdy | 21:11 |
| ttx | Great write-up to the list with recent features, thanks. | 21:11 |
| ttx | I created 1.6.1 milestone for you, no date yet. Let me know when you have an ETA. | 21:11 |
| notmyname | thanks. it's a great group of contributors | 21:11 |
| notmyname | ok. I have an FYI though | 21:12 |
| ttx | I can use that | 21:12 |
| notmyname | based on a patch merged yesterday, and depending on what happens before the next release, there is a very good chance we may call the next one 2.0 | 21:12 |
| ttx | oooh. | 21:12 |
| notmyname | the patch updated the on-disk format of the ring (a great fix from swifterdarrell) but it may require the version updated to communicate that | 21:13 |
| bcwaldon | notmyname: curious what the reason is | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | I'll probably send an email to the openstack-dev list about it | 21:13 |
| ttx | notmyname: sounds like a good plan | 21:14 |
| bcwaldon | ha, looked up and hit enter, ill shh now | 21:14 |
| ttx | notmyname: anything else ? | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | nope. swift meetup on Aug 30 if you are in the bay area | 21:14 |
| ttx | #action notmyname to send an email to openstack-dev with 2.0 plans | 21:14 |
| ttx | Questions on Swift ? | 21:14 |
| notmyname | s/plans/thoughts | 21:14 |
| ttx | #topic Glance status | 21:15 |
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| ttx | bcwaldon: o/ | 21:15 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/folsom-3 | 21:15 |
| ttx | Only one left: | 21:15 |
| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/glance-deprecate-client : Looks like we should wait for this one, should be merged today ? | 21:15 |
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| ttx | or do you need slightly more time ? | 21:16 |
| bcwaldon | if anyone can offer their opinion on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11359/, we can get that bp in today | 21:16 |
| bcwaldon | ttx: the code is there, just need to get it reviewed/merged | 21:16 |
| ttx | bcwaldon: ok, lets wait | 21:16 |
| ttx | #help Priority glance review at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11359/ | 21:17 |
| bcwaldon | hopefully somebody watching this meeting has a few minutes | 21:17 |
| ttx | Is that all the features that got in F3 ? Or is there anything we should retroactively create ? | 21:17 |
| bcwaldon | that would be it, afaik | 21:17 |
| ttx | Looking at F3-targeted bugs now, I see two bugs targeted... | 21:17 |
| ttx | Are they F3 blockers, or more like RC1 targets now ? | 21:17 |
| bcwaldon | rc1 | 21:17 |
| ttx | ack | 21:17 |
| ttx | bcwaldon: Anything else ? | 21:17 |
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| bcwaldon | I wanted to mention something about the v2.0 Images API spec | 21:18 |
| ttx | go ahead | 21:18 |
| bcwaldon | As Folsom-3 is our feature freeze, this is the point where we say "What's in the code is v2.0" | 21:18 |
| bcwaldon | and I'm working on getting a nice markdown-formatted api spec for people to refer to | 21:18 |
| ttx | kewl | 21:19 |
| heckj | bcwaldon: nice! | 21:19 |
| ttx | Questions on Glance ? | 21:19 |
| ttx | #topic Quantum status | 21:20 |
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| ttx | danwent: around ? | 21:20 |
| danwent | yup | 21:20 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/folsom-3 | 21:20 |
| ttx | Pretty long list of stuff under review here :) | 21:20 |
| danwent | still clearing out some bugs | 21:20 |
| danwent | so the way to think of it as there are 3 high priority things we're tracking | 21:20 |
| danwent | and anything medium or below "gets in if it gets in" | 21:20 |
| danwent | the provider net stuff is 90% in, we just keep lobbing off sub-commits | 21:21 |
| danwent | OVS support is all that is left | 21:21 |
| ttx | All the "needs review" here are expected to hit today ? Or do you need slightly more time ? | 21:21 |
| danwent | I wouldn't mind more time for our 3 branches that are high priority and above | 21:22 |
| danwent | but any of the lower stuff should either be merged tonight, or move on, in my opinion | 21:22 |
| danwent | to help people focus on key items and testing. | 21:22 |
| ttx | hmm, we'll see with Nova if it makes sense to delay F3 one more day to include a bit more stuff | 21:23 |
| ttx | I won't ask if there was anything implemented that isn't already part of this list :) | 21:23 |
| danwent | ttx: otherwise, the three big high priority branches can get merged | 21:23 |
| danwent | we'd just lop off smaller bugs to fix any remaining issues. | 21:23 |
| ttx | Looking at https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/folsom-rc1 you targeted quite a few blueprints there | 21:23 |
| ttx | taht's in addition to the 3 you already mentioned, right | 21:24 |
| danwent | ack. two of those are testing infrastructure | 21:24 |
| danwent | and two are in review already | 21:24 |
| ttx | (but unlikely to hit today or tomorrow ?) | 21:24 |
| danwent | if we have an extra day, the ones in review may hit. I just haven't been super involved in the reviews, so I can't say for sure. | 21:25 |
| ttx | which ones are testing infra ? | 21:25 |
| danwent | "agent for test" | 21:25 |
| danwent | "v2 quantum versions of devstack exercise scripts" | 21:25 |
| danwent | basically, those are one item, but they are going into separate repos, so two BPs. | 21:25 |
| ttx | I'm fine with those hitting early in RC1 | 21:26 |
| danwent | the L3 CLI stuff is in review, but needs unit tests written | 21:26 |
| ttx | especially the devstack one which probably doesn't land in Quantum anyway | 21:26 |
| danwent | multi-host and rootwrap are the more concerning ones. | 21:26 |
| danwent | yes | 21:26 |
| ttx | What about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/ovs-security-filtering ? | 21:26 |
| ttx | if it's really not started, sounds like grizzly to me | 21:26 |
| danwent | this would likely be a very small vif driver | 21:27 |
| danwent | if its about 200 lines of code, it won't go in :) | 21:27 |
| ttx | what about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/metadata-overlapping-networks ? | 21:27 |
| danwent | yeah, carlp mentioned that last week. | 21:27 |
| danwent | this is one of those "oh shit.." issues, as nova's metadata API assumes clients have unique ips. | 21:28 |
| ttx | hmm, could almost be considered a gap bug rather than a blueprint | 21:28 |
| ttx | Those all kinda make sense, but added all together it makes me fear for Quantum stability | 21:28 |
| danwent | yeah. we tend to create BPs for everything. | 21:28 |
| ttx | in times when we need some stasis | 21:29 |
| * ttx should reassign the last one since he is no longer working on it | 21:29 | |
| danwent | agreed. as I mentioned, these aren't all for sure things we're looking for, more just things we're considering | 21:29 |
| danwent | i'll do a write-up on this and get your thoughts. | 21:29 |
| danwent | as I mentioned, rootwrap and multi-host seem the most possible to disrupt | 21:30 |
| ttx | danwent: sure, I'll look into them into more detail and talk to you | 21:30 |
| danwent | k, thanks | 21:30 |
| ttx | #action danwent/ttx to discuss how to reduce the nmber of FFe in Quantum | 21:30 |
| ttx | From the untargeted Folsom blueprints, should we just defer: | 21:30 |
| ttx | official-v2-api-spec | 21:30 |
| ttx | nova-quantum-interface-creation | 21:30 |
| ttx | isc-dhcp | 21:30 |
| ttx | ? | 21:30 |
| danwent | v2 spec is going to be done, but its not code, just using an item to track it. | 21:31 |
| danwent | all others are going to be deferred. | 21:31 |
| ttx | ok | 21:31 |
| ttx | On the bugs list, you should only keep F3 blockers | 21:31 |
| danwent | yup, i'm half way to cleaning it out | 21:31 |
| ttx | (those we'll need to fix and backport to milestone-proposed before Thursday) | 21:31 |
| ttx | Ideally all of those should have someone assigned to fix | 21:31 |
| danwent | agreed | 21:32 |
| ttx | Otherwise it doesn't look like it's going to happen | 21:32 |
| ttx | You can push back the others to Folsom-RC1. | 21:32 |
| ttx | danwent: Anything else ? | 21:32 |
| danwent | nope, back to hacking and reviewing :) | 21:32 |
| ttx | danwent: stay around, we migth discuss a one-day delay once we get to Nova | 21:32 |
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| ttx | Questions on Quantum ? | 21:32 |
| danwent | ok. do me a favor and ping my irc handle? | 21:32 |
| ttx | sure | 21:32 |
| danwent | i'll be rebasing :)( | 21:33 |
| ttx | #topic Cinder status | 21:33 |
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| ttx | jgriffith: around ? | 21:33 |
| jgriffith | Yep | 21:33 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/folsom-3 | 21:33 |
| ttx | This list grew quite a lot since last week :) | 21:33 |
| jgriffith | Yes, that it did | 21:33 |
| ttx | Are all those reviews going to land today ? | 21:34 |
| jgriffith | *should* | 21:34 |
| jgriffith | Most are close, minor fixes here and there | 21:34 |
| ttx | in other words, can we defer anythign that doesn't make it by the end of the day ? Or would you appreciate just a few more hours ? | 21:34 |
| jgriffith | Depends on when the end of your today is :) | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | A few more hours would be great | 21:35 |
| ttx | jgriffith: it's actually the beginning of my tomorrow. | 21:35 |
| ttx | also known as midnight Hawai time | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | I think everything that's in review now should be closed out by COB mountain time today | 21:35 |
| ttx | ok | 21:35 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/cinder-notifications -> deferred ? | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | yes, that's the *one* that won't go probably | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | yes, deferred | 21:36 |
| ttx | netapp-volume-driver-cmode and create-volume-from-image got reviews merged, are they completed ? | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | yes | 21:37 |
| ttx | ok, willfix | 21:37 |
| ttx | In the untargeted folsom list, I see: | 21:37 |
| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/implement-availability-zones | 21:37 |
| ttx | should I mark this one deferred too ? | 21:37 |
| jgriffith | That made it I believe... | 21:37 |
| * jgriffith checking... | 21:37 | |
| jgriffith | Yes, that made it | 21:38 |
| ttx | linked stuff says "Partially implement blueprint implement-availability-zones" | 21:38 |
| jgriffith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11035/ | 21:38 |
| ttx | so I was kinda wondering | 21:38 |
| ttx | We can clarify that off-meeting | 21:39 |
| ttx | Only one bug targeted to F3, that's bug 1023311 | 21:39 |
| jgriffith | k.. the second part was cinderclient which is going through now | 21:39 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1023311 in cinder "Quotas management is broken" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1023311 | 21:39 |
| ttx | Is it really a F3 blocker, which will get fixed in master and backported to milestone-proposed before Thursday ? | 21:39 |
| ttx | Or should we just retarget it to RC1 to make sure it's fixed before release time ? | 21:39 |
| jgriffith | RC1 | 21:39 |
| jgriffith | I've about got it, but honestly won't get back to it in time | 21:39 |
| ttx | Will add implement-availability-zones to F3 targets | 21:40 |
| ttx | jgriffith: Anything else ? | 21:40 |
| jgriffith | Nope, just trying to push the pypi of cinderclient | 21:40 |
| jgriffith | that's it | 21:40 |
| ttx | Questions on Cinder ? | 21:40 |
| annegentle | jgriffith: moving to docs after f3? | 21:41 |
| gabrielhurley | ttx, jgriffith, mtaylor: can we get cinderclient pushed to PyPI? The entry for the package exists but no distributions were ever uploaded. It's non-existence is blocking the last Horizon blueprint (code's done, it just depends on a package that doesn't exist...). | 21:41 |
| jgriffith | annegentle: Yes | 21:41 |
| annegentle | jgriffith: great, thanks. I think the original "doc plan" we outlined on IRC still works. | 21:41 |
| jgriffith | gabrielhurley: Working on it now, you should see it soon | 21:41 |
| gabrielhurley | jgriffith: thanks | 21:41 |
| ttx | #topic Nova status | 21:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Nova status" | 21:42 | |
| ttx | vishy: hey | 21:42 |
| comstud | just in time | 21:42 |
| ttx | hmm, maybe we'll do horizon first | 21:44 |
| gabrielhurley | lol | 21:44 |
| vishy | sorry | 21:44 |
| ttx | #topic Horizon status | 21:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Horizon status" | 21:44 | |
| vishy | :) | 21:44 |
| heckj | heh | 21:44 |
| ttx | arrrh | 21:44 |
| gabrielhurley | ahaha | 21:44 |
| ttx | #topic Nova status | 21:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Nova status" | 21:44 | |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/folsom-3 | 21:44 |
| heckj | tease! | 21:44 |
| ttx | vishy: this list is a mess :) | 21:44 |
| vishy | yes it is | 21:45 |
| ttx | ok, lets iterate through it... | 21:45 |
| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/general-host-aggregates : Implemented, right ? | 21:45 |
| vishy | yes | 21:45 |
| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/task-management | 21:45 |
| vishy | remaining work of converting availability zones will have to be in grizzly | 21:45 |
| vishy | maoy: comments on that ^^ are we complete for now? remaining stuff done in bugs? | 21:45 |
| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/config-drive-v2 | 21:46 |
| maoy | vishy: it's a bit complicated. :) | 21:46 |
| vishy | implemented | 21:46 |
| vishy | marked | 21:46 |
| vishy | maoy: so do we defer it to grizzly then? | 21:47 |
| maoy | vishy: I'd revise the bp for folsom only and get a new one for grizzly | 21:47 |
| maoy | vishy: there is a race condition that should be fixed in f-4 | 21:47 |
| vishy | maoy: ok can you revise it to what was done and mark it implemented? | 21:47 |
| ttx | maoy: unfortunately tere is no f4 :) | 21:47 |
| vishy | maoy: yes that can be reported as a bug | 21:48 |
| maoy | ttx: oops. my bad | 21:48 |
| vishy | maoy: and fixed for rc1 | 21:48 |
| maoy | vishy: yes i'll update it | 21:48 |
| vishy | maoy: thanks | 21:48 |
| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/novaplugins | 21:48 |
| ttx | looks like defer to me | 21:49 |
| vishy | i still haven't heard from andrew whether it is done | 21:49 |
| vishy | he got stuff merged | 21:49 |
| vishy | but i don't know if it is complete | 21:49 |
| ttx | right, but no more code in | 21:49 |
| ttx | in all cases | 21:49 |
| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/deprecate-createserverext | 21:49 |
| vishy | ttx: so i'm not exactly sure how we should deprecate an extension | 21:50 |
| vishy | so i guess that one is kind of blocked? | 21:50 |
| vishy | i mean we can warn when it is loaded i guess | 21:50 |
| ttx | yeah I would add a DeprecationWarning | 21:50 |
| vishy | right now createserverext is exactly the same as /servers/ | 21:50 |
| vishy | so maybe we should just leave it and kill that blueprint | 21:50 |
| ttx | kill kill | 21:51 |
| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-live-block-migration | 21:51 |
| markmc | yeah, probably best - not like it's much maintenance overhead | 21:51 |
| vishy | that should make it | 21:51 |
| ttx | vishy: today ? | 21:51 |
| vishy | i think so | 21:51 |
| ttx | I won't go over all the Low stuff... | 21:51 |
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| ttx | can we apply the "what gets in is in, the rest is Grizzly" rule ? | 21:52 |
| vishy | ttx: i have a list of potential stuff to keep an eye on for ffe | 21:52 |
| primeministerp | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11276 | 21:52 |
| primeministerp | ';) | 21:52 |
| vishy | ttx: http://etherpad.openstack.org/nova-ffe | 21:52 |
| vishy | and I would also like a special ffe to put everything that goes into cinder into nova-volumes | 21:52 |
| vishy | we can drop it as one big chunk | 21:53 |
| ttx | vishy: would one extra day of review significantly help in getting more in F3 and less in FFe ? | 21:53 |
| annegentle | what is the ruling there? cinder v nova-volume? | 21:53 |
| vishy | probably, there is a number of close stuff | 21:53 |
| ttx | I've been pondering delaying F3 by one day since there is so much stuff "almost there" | 21:53 |
| vishy | ttx: i buy that | 21:54 |
| ttx | Would be good to apply some priority treatment though... Concentrate on stuff that is more important first | 21:54 |
| ttx | danwent: would you buy that too ? | 21:54 |
| danwent | as long as its a targeted extension, only at high priority stuff, then yes. | 21:55 |
| vishy | my rationale on the dump from cinder -> volume is: there was uproar about removing nova-volume so we need to keep it and put in security fixes | 21:55 |
| * ttx kinda prefers to wait one day and get less FFes, so that stuff gets tested in F3 rather than randomly after | 21:55 | |
| vishy | a) cinder is the one being gated on so we should keep the code the same | 21:55 |
| danwent | though i'm not sure how to enforce that, other than to actually branch, and just say that its OK to cherry-pick a select set of features over as well as bugs. | 21:55 |
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| vishy | b) security backports will be way easier if the code is in sync at folsom release | 21:55 |
| vishy | ttx: do you buy that? | 21:56 |
| ttx | vishy: yes, from security pov | 21:56 |
| ttx | russellb: opinion ? | 21:56 |
| * russellb reads scrollback.. | 21:57 | |
| ttx | #info F3 cut for Quantum/Nova delayed by one day to let a few extra prioritized reviews in, in an effort to limit the number of FFe | 21:57 |
| ttx | #info other projects may opt in | 21:57 |
| russellb | yes, does seem like a good idea to keep the code in sync, backports would def be easier | 21:57 |
| russellb | need to look closely at any compatibility/upgrade issues from the big dump though .... | 21:58 |
| danwent | ttx: is it just the branch cut that is delayed, or also the final release? | 21:58 |
| danwent | (of folsom-3) | 21:58 |
| ttx | also F3 milestone publication, yes | 21:58 |
| danwent | ok | 21:58 |
| ttx | would be done on Friday (god, I hate that) | 21:58 |
| ttx | vishy: Can I mark Deferred everything from https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/folsom that is not F3-targeted ? | 21:58 |
| vishy | ttx: yes | 21:59 |
| ttx | On the bugs side, there are 6 bugs targeted to F3... | 21:59 |
| ttx | Could we refine that list to include only real F3 blockers ? | 21:59 |
| ttx | Like "ZOMG I can't start an instance anymore" | 21:59 |
| russellb | pretty sure that qpid one is fixed, *changes it* | 22:00 |
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| ttx | vishy: Anything else ? | 22:00 |
| primeministerp | ttx: may speak for a sec | 22:01 |
| vishy | i would suggest people doing reviews prioritize these: http://etherpad.openstack.org/nova-ffe | 22:01 |
| ttx | #help Nova Review prio to http://etherpad.openstack.org/nova-ffe | 22:01 |
| comstud | i just approved xenapi live migration | 22:01 |
| ttx | primeministerp: sure | 22:01 |
| primeministerp | would like to open up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11276 | 22:01 |
| primeministerp | for reprioritization | 22:01 |
| primeministerp | for review if possible | 22:02 |
| primeministerp | to a higher priority | 22:02 |
| med_ | 3rd on vishy's list | 22:02 |
| ttx | primeministerp: it's on vishy's prio list I just linked | 22:02 |
| primeministerp | o | 22:02 |
| * primeministerp needs to refresh | 22:02 | |
| primeministerp | ttx: thx | 22:03 |
| med_ | (row 12) | 22:03 |
| russellb | it's a good candidate for an exception if we don't get it in by the freeze | 22:03 |
| ttx | but let's be honest... there is a risk that it won't get in... it was proposed very late | 22:03 |
| russellb | but yes, that too | 22:03 |
| russellb | it's a lot of code to review.. | 22:03 |
| primeministerp | ttx: I understand | 22:03 |
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| ttx | Frankly I was amazed by the number of last-minute reviews | 22:03 |
| ttx | not just yours | 22:03 |
| vishy | ttx: it was kind of amazing actually :( | 22:03 |
| ttx | It's so much easier to get your code in at any other moment of the 6-month-long cycle | 22:03 |
| russellb | yeah we kinda got slammed in the last week or two | 22:03 |
| ttx | Questions on Nova ? | 22:04 |
| primeministerp | however quite honestly it would be a major milestone and help our community from a single source of code perspective | 22:04 |
| * ttx tries not to overrun too much | 22:04 | |
| primeministerp | give us the ability to file bugs properly | 22:04 |
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| primeministerp | etc | 22:04 |
| ttx | ack | 22:04 |
| russellb | 'tis on the exception candidate list | 22:04 |
| ttx | #topic Horizon status | 22:04 |
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| ttx | gabrielhurley: thanks for your patience | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | o hai | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | ;-) | 22:05 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/folsom-3 | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | I'm so much happier with this milestone than I was last week | 22:05 |
| ttx | switch-to-cinder-client got done ? | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | it's merging right this second | 22:05 |
| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/translation-documentation -- sounds like this is doc and can be pushed back to RC1 in case of need | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | yep | 22:06 |
| ttx | You have an enormous list of F3-targeted bugs, I suspect most of them are not F3 publication blockers... | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | all the wishlist stuff can be flat out deferred | 22:06 |
| ttx | Should I push back to RC1 anything that is not FixCommitted when I cut the branch ? | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | yep | 22:06 |
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| ttx | awesome | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | of the remaining 8 there are no blockers, and most of them will be fixed today | 22:06 |
| ttx | it might be end of day tomorrow, so you have a bit more time | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | even better | 22:07 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: Anything else you wanted to mention ? | 22:07 |
| ohnoimdead | woo hoo extra day! | 22:07 |
| gabrielhurley | nope. just a thanks to everyone for helping tear through the end of the F3 milestone :-) | 22:07 |
| ttx | Questions for Horizon ? | 22:08 |
| ttx | ohnoimdead: yay, thank me for another sleepless night | 22:08 |
| ttx | #topic Other Team reports | 22:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Other Team reports" | 22:08 | |
| ttx | Any other team lead with a (quick) status report ? | 22:08 |
| annegentle | \o | 22:09 |
| ttx | go for it | 22:10 |
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| annegentle | actually no, looking at the clock :) | 22:10 |
| annegentle | I'll put it in an email | 22:10 |
| ttx | heh | 22:10 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 22:10 |
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| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 22:10 |
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| ttx | #endmeeting | 22:11 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 14 22:11:25 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:11 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-14-21.02.html | 22:11 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-14-21.02.txt | 22:11 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-14-21.02.log.html | 22:11 |
| ttx | Thaanks everyone, sending F3 delay email to list now | 22:11 |
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