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| nijaba | #startmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 16 16:00:25 2012 UTC. The chair is nijaba. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| nijaba | #meetingtopic Ceilometer | 16:00 |
| nijaba | #chair nijaba | 16:00 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Current chairs: nijaba | 16:00 |
| nijaba | Hello everyone! Show of hands, who is around for the ceilometer meeting? | 16:00 |
| nijaba | o/ | 16:00 |
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| jgriffith | o/ | 16:01 |
| nijaba | hello dhellmann | 16:01 |
| nijaba | just started the meeting | 16:01 |
| nijaba | hey jgriffith! | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | hello! | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | ok | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | nijaba: Hello! | 16:01 |
| nijaba | #topic actions from previous meeting | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from previous meeting (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:01 | |
| nijaba | #topic jaypipes to create ceilometer cookbook | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "jaypipes to create ceilometer cookbook (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:01 | |
| nijaba | jaypipes does not seem to be around... | 16:02 |
| gmb | O/ | 16:02 |
| gmb | Hi folks. | 16:02 |
| nijaba | #action jaypipes to create ceilometer cookbook | 16:02 |
| nijaba | hello gmb | 16:02 |
| nijaba | #topic nijaba to do a second thouroughness check on API and report next week | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to do a second thouroughness check on API and report next week (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:02 | |
| nijaba | So, here is what I found in terms of discrepencies: | 16:03 |
| nijaba | 1. GET /v1 should return detailed information about this specific version of the API. | 16:03 |
| nijaba | 2. GET /v1/extensions has not been implemeted yet | 16:03 |
| nijaba | 3. GET /v1/sources does not seem to have an equivallent | 16:03 |
| nijaba | 4. GET /v1/LIST/ I am not sure how one would know about the components that would be instrumented. Would that be part of /v1/resources? | 16:03 |
| nijaba | 5. GET /v1/LIST/<COMPONENT>/METERS same as above to get a list of meters per component | 16:03 |
| nijaba | 6. GET /v1/LIST/METERS same as above regarding a list of all meters | 16:03 |
| nijaba | 7. There does not seem to be any summary API left (ie: /]USERS/<USER_ID>/<METER>/VOLUME or /DURATION) | 16:03 |
| nijaba | 8. It does not seem possible to specify start_time and end_time as parameters of the queries | 16:03 |
| nijaba | That's all I could find, but I may have missed a few... | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | start and stop times are going to be GET parameters instead of part of the URL | 16:04 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: sounds fine to me, just was not present on the desc when I did the comparison | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I haven't added that yet :-) | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | let's go in order... | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | 1. what "information" should be returned? | 16:05 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: the version of the API | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | so a list of version numbers? | 16:06 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: subversion that is | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | "v1"? | 16:06 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: look at what nova does | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | ok | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | 2. I will need to look into extensions, too | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | 3. I missed that, will add | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | 4. I don't know what "components" this means. like nova & quantum, or something else? | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | how does "component" differ from source? | 16:07 |
| nijaba | 5. nova/quantum/cinder/swift/etc... was the intent | 16:07 |
| nijaba | s/5./4./ | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | ok. we aren't currently recording that anywhere in the meter data, so I will have to think about a source for the info | 16:08 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: source could be 2 different deployments | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | aha, ok | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | so that needs to be config value | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | noted | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | 5 and 6 are clear now | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | 7 isn't done yet, but we'll be doing some work on that as we do our integration work during this current sprint | 16:09 |
| nijaba | coolio | 16:09 |
| nijaba | so I guess you answered on all items | 16:09 |
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| nijaba | do you want to mark some actions? | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | I'll copy these notes into the comment in that file for reference later, but I don't know which pieces we'll be implementing, yet, so I'd rather hold off on commitments beyond that | 16:10 |
| nijaba | sounds good to me | 16:11 |
| nijaba | shall we move on? | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | k | 16:11 |
| nijaba | #topic nijaba to write description of component responsibility | 16:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to write description of component responsibility (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:11 | |
| nijaba | I unfortunately did not get as much time as I wanted to work on this the past week, so I am re-assigning this to me for next week | 16:11 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to write description of componet responsibility | 16:11 |
| nijaba | I guess that's it for last week's actions... | 16:12 |
| nijaba | We did not seem to have any other topic on the agenda. | 16:12 |
| nijaba | #topic Open Discusssion | 16:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discusssion (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:12 | |
| dhellmann | I have a couple | 16:12 |
| nijaba | please shoot :) | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | first, we should coordinate on a presentation for the summit | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | at least one | 16:12 |
| nijaba | I have proposed a talk for the summit | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | oh, good, I hadn't seen that yet | 16:13 |
| nijaba | and I think we need to session as part of dev track | 16:13 |
| nijaba | one on ceilometer's future in general | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | is your proposal for a dev session or for the "conference" part? | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | or is that all the same thing this year? | 16:14 |
| nijaba | one on the possible heat transfer of the load balancing tool | 16:14 |
| nijaba | no, there is still a dev and a conference part | 16:14 |
| nijaba | the talk I proposed already is for the conf part | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | ok, good | 16:14 |
| nijaba | the 2 session is for the summit | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | I agree, we need to cover both | 16:14 |
| nijaba | s/is/are/ | 16:14 |
| nijaba | I have not seen the call for summit sessions yet | 16:15 |
| nijaba | did I miss it? | 16:15 |
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| dhellmann | oh, maybe it's not open yet | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | I thought i saw something, but maybe that was for the conference | 16:15 |
| nijaba | the only one I saw so far was for the conf | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | ok | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | so I thought I would propose a "this is ceilometer" session for the dev sessions | 16:16 |
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| dhellmann | cover the architecture, status, etc. | 16:17 |
| nijaba | agreed | 16:17 |
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| dhellmann | how do you feel about collaborating on the presentation portion, nijaba ? | 16:17 |
| nijaba | I am ALL open :) | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | ok, let's talk about that by email | 16:18 |
| nijaba | +1 | 16:18 |
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| nijaba | any other topic? | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | we need more reviewers! | 16:19 |
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| nijaba | #action dhellmann and nijaba to work on sessions for summit via email | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | we've had some people say they would be more involved, is anyone looking for ways to help? | 16:19 |
| nijaba | gmb: would you like to join as a reviewer? | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | I mean anyone here at the meeting? | 16:19 |
| gmb | nijaba: I'd be happy to. | 16:20 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: should we grant gmb some +2 powers? | 16:20 |
| nijaba | His python is much sharper than mine.... | 16:20 |
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| dhellmann | ok, sounds good! | 16:21 |
| nijaba | gmb: manager of the OpenStack team at Canonical (the one he is recruiting for as we speak) | 16:21 |
| gmb | Yes, it's all the fun of programming exercises and technical interviews here at the moment. | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 16:21 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to give core reviewer rights to gmb | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | cool, welcome aboard, gmb! | 16:22 |
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| gmb | Thanks dhellmann | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: we should see about jtrans, too, if he has time | 16:22 |
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| nijaba | I agree, but we'd need his ok first | 16:22 |
| nijaba | do you want to check with him via email? | 16:23 |
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| dhellmann | #action dhellmann to ask jtrans about interest in reviewer status | 16:23 |
| nijaba | btw, did zul (chuck short) fix his commit? | 16:23 |
| zul | nijaba: not yet | 16:23 |
| nijaba | hey zul! | 16:24 |
| nijaba | seem like just one typo away... | 16:24 |
| zul | nijaba: yeah i have other priorities right now ill get back to it today | 16:24 |
| nijaba | cool, thanks | 16:24 |
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| nijaba | any other topics? | 16:25 |
| * dhellmann is done | 16:25 | |
| nijaba | calling once... | 16:26 |
| nijaba | twice... | 16:26 |
| nijaba | ok, that seems like a wrap | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | thanks for a quick meeting, everyone! | 16:27 |
| nijaba | thanks a lot everyone. | 16:27 |
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| nijaba | #endmeeting | 16:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 16 16:27:23 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-16-16.00.html | 16:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-16-16.00.txt | 16:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-16-16.00.log.html | 16:27 |
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| davidkranz | Any one here for QA meeting? | 17:03 |
| dwalleck | here here! | 17:03 |
| dwalleck | They finally let me out of my cage | 17:03 |
| Ravikumar_hp | hi | 17:03 |
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| davidkranz | Whoopie! | 17:03 |
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| davidkranz | Jay doesn't seem to be around. | 17:03 |
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| davidkranz | dwalleck: Do you know what is happening with the "fuzz testing"? | 17:04 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: Is any one working on it? | 17:04 |
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| dwalleck | I missed out on that whole conversation I believe | 17:04 |
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| dwalleck | I saw that the original clients were renamed as fuzz clients, so all this is news to me | 17:05 |
| davidkranz | OK, I will check with jaypipes | 17:05 |
| dwalleck | I'm in the middle of porting xml requests/responses from my local suite into Tempest | 17:05 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | dwalleck: I thought we are supporting only Json not xml | 17:06 |
| dwalleck | My intention has always been to support both, especially after Vish's email last friday | 17:06 |
| Ravikumar_hp | dwalleck: for Nova - every one is for json | 17:07 |
| davidkranz | Yes, I think there was agreement that the XML that is there needs to be maintained and tested. | 17:07 |
| Ravikumar_hp | no one preferred xml | 17:07 |
| dwalleck | I have the backend code running such that I run Tempest locally using either, so I'd like to port that back into JSON | 17:07 |
| davidkranz | Much less agreement about adding any more xml. | 17:07 |
| Ravikumar_hp | yes | 17:07 |
| Ravikumar_hp | we need to align with their decision | 17:07 |
| dwalleck | My dev team is concerned about both, so I've implemented it. If the Tempest community is not interested in that code, I can move on to other things | 17:07 |
| davidkranz | Some one has started posting xml-related changes. Daryl, are you coordinated with that guy in any way? | 17:08 |
| dwalleck | I just wanted to make sure the offer to help was made | 17:08 |
| Ravikumar_hp | we do run both formats internallu at hp | 17:08 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: I think the Tempest community is definitely interested in your xml code. | 17:08 |
| rohitk | davidkranz: +1 | 17:08 |
| Ravikumar_hp | sure - +1 | 17:09 |
| dwalleck | okay, I was just confused for a moment then. Still running low on sleep here :) | 17:09 |
| davidkranz | We have to find a way for companies to put there testing code into the public repositiories just like they do for other code. | 17:09 |
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| davidkranz | I am not sure why that doesn't happen, especially given that there is no benefit of "differentiation" based on tests! | 17:10 |
| rohitk | davidkranz: actually, at NTT we're putting a concentrated effort towards that | 17:10 |
| dwalleck | My goal has always been to get all the code I have locally into Tempest, but I can only do that in places where we all can come to a concensus | 17:11 |
| dwalleck | That's the real trick | 17:11 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: Perhaps that burden it too high. All tests that run reliably are good tests. | 17:12 |
| davidkranz | Perhaps we should have a "contrib" area in tempest where code can be part of a nightly run until/if it goes into tempest proper. | 17:12 |
| davidkranz | tempest proper is necessarily limited in runtime anyway so we will have to do it. | 17:12 |
| davidkranz | The code review process for contrib could be less severe as well. | 17:13 |
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| davidkranz | This is already happening de facto by being spread across different companies. | 17:13 |
| davidkranz | By tempest proper I mean "gating". | 17:13 |
| dwalleck | davidkranz: These are things we need to figure out. Even the whitebox and smoke tests created while I was out are un-usable by me because they assume one is running the tests on a machine where Nova is installed | 17:13 |
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| dwalleck | While that's realistic for developers, it's not for everyone | 17:14 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: I thought the whitebox tests have extra configs so you can be outside the openstack cluster and run. If not it is a bug. | 17:14 |
| dwalleck | This is probably a good time to put our heads back together and come up with a good solid direction and goals before grizzly | 17:15 |
| dwalleck | davidkranz: The smoke tests require them as well | 17:15 |
| dwalleck | So it makes it very difficult for me to port code when it has to run in an environment I don't natively have | 17:16 |
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| dwalleck | I can work it out, but in addition to running against Devstack, we should be able to run Tempest against a HP, TryStack, or RAX deployment as well (I would like to anyway) | 17:17 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: I agree about doing some brainstorming. I don't think any tempest tests should require nova to be installed. Do you have a problem with requiring nova-client? | 17:17 |
| dwalleck | nova-client is totally fine. It's just the requirement of the nova or glance libs that really hurt for me | 17:17 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: I run tempest agains our own clusters but have not turned on the whitebox tests. | 17:17 |
| davidkranz | We've lapsed about creating an agenda before the meeting. Are there any other topics? | 17:19 |
| dwalleck | davidkranz: I've gotcha. I just want to make sure the test suite is available and usable for all. Exceptions for things such as whitebox tests I can totally agree with | 17:19 |
| dwalleck | Not from me, just mostly heads down getting back into reviews and looking at this XML port | 17:20 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: I think the whitebox tests should work too, with just the requirements of network connectivity to the cluster nodes and credentials. | 17:20 |
| devananda | davidkranz: if this is the right forum, i'd like to bring up this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1037354 | 17:20 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1037354 in tempest "a broken configure_tempest.sh can lead to silent failures" [Undecided,New] | 17:21 |
| davidkranz | devananda: This is the right forum. | 17:21 |
| devananda | devstack-gate was basically not running tempest tests for a week because of that | 17:22 |
| dwalleck | this would be a good question for jaypipes...I haven't been involved at all in the gating job | 17:22 |
| devananda | the fix looks simple, but i don't know what the expected behaviour is, or why it's suppressing errors at that point | 17:22 |
| dwalleck | I'd need to look at the auto-config script he's using to understand that | 17:22 |
| dwalleck | I know he was very specific about adding detailed logging during configuration, so I'm sure it's not intentional | 17:23 |
| devananda | we've fixed it in devstack so that, at least for now, all the tests are running again | 17:23 |
| devananda | so it can probably wait for jaypipes to take a look | 17:23 |
| davidkranz | I think the real question at this point is why this is skipping rather than failing the test. | 17:23 |
| devananda | ^ yes | 17:24 |
| uvirtbot | devananda: Error: "yes" is not a valid command. | 17:24 |
| davidkranz | I guess we need to ask Jay. | 17:24 |
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| dwalleck | Yeah...I'm looking at this now, and this is code I've never seen before | 17:25 |
| dwalleck | We should probably raise an exception about having an invalid configuration with details | 17:25 |
| dwalleck | It looks like it's logging the error as the reason for the skipped test | 17:25 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: Tests should not log errors and then act like they passed... | 17:26 |
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| dwalleck | Well, they shouldn't act like they passed. From what I see, they should be skipped | 17:27 |
| davidkranz | right. | 17:27 |
| dwalleck | Which is neither a failure or success | 17:27 |
| davidkranz | Let's see what Jay was thinking. | 17:28 |
| dwalleck | yeah, agreed | 17:28 |
| davidkranz | Anything else? | 17:29 |
| davidkranz | I will send a summary of the meeting to qa-list. | 17:29 |
| dwalleck | nope, all done here | 17:29 |
| dwalleck | Sorry about the absence. I'll be back in the swing of things now | 17:30 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: Are you in contact with the guy submitting xml changes? | 17:30 |
| davidkranz | We don't want competing submissions. | 17:30 |
| dwalleck | davidkranz: I'm not sure who that is | 17:30 |
| dwalleck | To Tempest? | 17:30 |
| davidkranz | Look at the top of https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest,n,z | 17:30 |
| dwalleck | I mean, I emailed out last week about that, but I never saw a reply from someone else | 17:30 |
| dwalleck | No....did not see that | 17:31 |
| dwalleck | Well crap....don't know what to do there then. This is very different than how I have it implemented | 17:32 |
| dwalleck | I'll figure out something | 17:32 |
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| davidkranz | Bye all. | 17:33 |
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| jkff | Hey, time for OpenStack LBaaS meeting! | 19:03 |
| jkff | This is Eugene Kirpichev from Mirantis. | 19:03 |
| jkff | Here's what's new on our side: | 19:03 |
| jkff | * Work is in progress on the F5 driver. | 19:04 |
| jkff | * A new scheduler (device allocator) similar to Nova's FilterScheduler is ready for master (though not pushed to the public repo at the moment) | 19:04 |
| jkff | * We had some communication with LB vendors and with Dan from Quantum about LBaaS/Quantum integration, and identified some key questions. Dan already sent a link to a wiki page about that (though there's not much there now). | 19:05 |
| jkff | There are going to be several design sessions on LBaaS and Quantum integration at the Summit. | 19:06 |
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| ogelbukh | jkff: I think we'll be able to provide some kind of proposal for integrating lbaas (and possibly other network services) with quantum before summit | 19:10 |
| jkff | ogelbukh: Right; we'd like to start the discussion as early as possible. Do you have a tentative date for when a first draft will be ready? | 19:11 |
| ogelbukh | the end of next week, if all goes well | 19:11 |
| ogelbukh | at least we'll be ready to put something to ML to start the discussion | 19:12 |
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| ogelbukh | unfortunately, quantum team seems to be busy preparing for release.. | 19:14 |
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| jkff | Great, thanks | 19:17 |
| jkff | Ok, I guess this is it. I'll post notes to the ML. | 19:18 |
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| vishy | #startmeeting | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 16 21:01:07 2012 UTC. The chair is vishy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| vishy | #topic Role Call | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Role Call" | 21:01 | |
| vishy | who is here? | 21:01 |
| lzyeval | o/ | 21:01 |
| markmc | me, me, me | 21:01 |
| eglynn | moi | 21:01 |
| mikal | Moi | 21:01 |
| russellb | hi | 21:01 |
| maoy | me | 21:02 |
| ttx | o/ | 21:02 |
| vishy | welcome everyone | 21:02 |
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| dansmith | I | 21:02 |
| vishy | lets get started! | 21:02 |
| vishy | #topic F3 milestone-critical bugs review | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "F3 milestone-critical bugs review" | 21:02 | |
| dprince | hi | 21:02 |
| vishy | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/folsom-3 | 21:02 |
| ttx | so are those all blocking F3 ? | 21:03 |
| vishy | looks like we have three bugs for backport | 21:03 |
| vishy | ttx: i think so | 21:03 |
| ttx | I see one that merged in master and needs to be backported... | 21:04 |
| vishy | dprince: it looks like your fix merged? | 21:04 |
| ttx | (bug 968696) | 21:04 |
| vishy | did it merge after milestone split? | 21:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 968696 in keystone ""admin"-ness not properly scoped" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968696 | 21:04 |
| ttx | the others still need to land | 21:04 |
| vishy | i think you mean bug 925731 ? | 21:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 925731 in nova "GET on key pairs gives 500" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/925731 | 21:04 |
| russellb | the keypairs one halfway landed, there were 2 patches, right dprince? | 21:04 |
| dprince | vishy/russellb: Yes. | 21:05 |
| vishy | ah i see the other one | 21:05 |
| dprince | The presence of one without the other won't break anything though. | 21:05 |
| russellb | I +2d the second one, vishy you +2d last rev | 21:05 |
| dprince | That was a patch series. | 21:05 |
| dprince | cool then | 21:05 |
| russellb | so can probably quickly approve | 21:05 |
| vishy | done | 21:05 |
| vishy | ttx: i will get those into milestone proposed once they land today | 21:06 |
| vishy | ttx: shouldn't be too hard | 21:06 |
| ttx | vishy: oh, you set to FixCo bug 968696.. it's probably in the branch already. Will mark FixRel | 21:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 968696 in keystone ""admin"-ness not properly scoped" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968696 | 21:06 |
| vishy | ttx: although i'm not absolutely sure there isn't more we need to do in nova it is sorta vague | 21:06 |
| vishy | I created a new bug for a specific issue in nova | 21:07 |
| vishy | ttx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1037786 | 21:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1037786 in nova "nova admin based on hard-coded 'admin' role" [Critical,Triaged] | 21:07 |
| ttx | ok so that's three bugs as far as F3 is concerned | 21:07 |
| vishy | fixed-released i think is good for the existing one | 21:07 |
| ttx | done | 21:07 |
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| ttx | bug 925731 | 21:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 925731 in nova "GET on key pairs gives 500" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/925731 | 21:07 |
| vishy | ttx: we have reviews in for all of them, so I think it will be no problem to get those done in the next couple of hours | 21:07 |
| vishy | the second fix is going into master right now, will backport | 21:08 |
| russellb | shall we assign reviewers to each thing to make sure it gets done? | 21:08 |
| ttx | vishy: ok, will push them to milestone-proposed in the morning if you don't complete it by then | 21:08 |
| russellb | (things that still need a review) | 21:08 |
| vishy | ttx: excellent | 21:08 |
| vishy | russellb: I reviewed Marks patches, they all seem sane | 21:08 |
| vishy | I also looked at eglynn. That one is the big one | 21:08 |
| ttx | So those are all blocking and in good progress to be fixed today | 21:08 |
| vishy | so if someone wants to go in and give marks a quick check | 21:09 |
| russellb | ok, well i'll go through mark's patch series that you looked at | 21:09 |
| * markmc will look at per-user quota revert | 21:09 | |
| vishy | we should probably spend extra time with eglynn's | 21:09 |
| eglynn | https://review.openstack.org/11477 needs a +1 to get it over the line (from vek or comstud?) | 21:09 |
| vishy | comstud: can you also keep an eye on that one: ^^ | 21:09 |
| markmc | probably worth a few of us looking at it | 21:09 |
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| ttx | all: if there is anoything that needs to be backported, make sure it's targeted against F3 | 21:09 |
| vishy | markmc: agreed | 21:09 |
| eglynn | cool | 21:09 |
| vishy | ok ready for FFE discussion? | 21:10 |
| ttx | so that I know I need to hold | 21:10 |
| ttx | yes | 21:10 |
| vishy | #topic Feature Freeze Decisions | 21:10 |
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| vishy | # link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-revival | 21:10 |
| vishy | so that one snuck in just after FF | 21:11 |
| vishy | we need to officially grant an exception or propose a revert | 21:11 |
| mikal | Did we see anything from them before the freeze? | 21:11 |
| ttx | already in, and I think it's not disruptive | 21:11 |
| mikal | It seemed very sudden | 21:11 |
| vishy | mikal: they have been working on it for 6 months | 21:11 |
| vishy | mikal: same with bare metal provisioning | 21:11 |
| markmc | it does seem self-contained, and it's restoring something we took out | 21:11 |
| mikal | vishy: sure, but they haven't been sending patches for six months... | 21:11 |
| markmc | makes sense to me | 21:11 |
| vishy | just in feature branches | 21:11 |
| ttx | FFE is about how much disruption you introduce and how late you do it | 21:12 |
| markmc | vishy, were the feature branches publicised, though? | 21:12 |
| mikal | vishy: ahhh, ok, so its cause I wasn't paying attention? | 21:12 |
| vishy | mikal: note the wiki: http://wiki.openstack.org/Hyper-V | 21:12 |
| ttx | here it just adds surface and is completed early enough, so +1 from me | 21:12 |
| vishy | hey had weekly meetings, etc. Perhaps they could have done a big more communication on the ML specifically asking for people to look at. | 21:13 |
| vishy | * they | 21:13 |
| mikal | vishy: yeah, fair points. | 21:13 |
| mikal | vishy: I withdraw my objection | 21:13 |
| markmc | think this makes sense, but a general approach of "develop huge patch on feature branch, propose shortly before feature freeze" isn't workable | 21:13 |
| russellb | touches no core code | 21:13 |
| russellb | yes, this was the day before | 21:13 |
| russellb | that's insane | 21:13 |
| russellb | and it's a giant patch | 21:13 |
| dprince | and its a revival! | 21:13 |
| vishy | markmc: agreed we need to give people a cutoff for large feature branches that is much earlier | 21:13 |
| ttx | markmc: I'm considering reintroducing a FeatureProposalFreeze | 21:14 |
| ttx | we used to have that | 21:14 |
| ttx | one week before the cut | 21:14 |
| russellb | maybe even 2 weeks ... | 21:14 |
| markmc | ttx, as in, first rev of the patch? | 21:14 |
| ttx | yes | 21:14 |
| russellb | for bigger stuff, need some time to digest it | 21:14 |
| vishy | +1 for two weeks | 21:14 |
| ttx | food for Grizzly | 21:14 |
| markmc | yep | 21:15 |
| russellb | even 2 weeks is pushing it, depending on what the review brings up | 21:15 |
| mikal | I do feel like a 2,000 line patch the day before puts a lot of pressure on reviewers to just say yes | 21:15 |
| russellb | like ... "where should we put the database" types of things. | 21:15 |
| eglynn | yep, also need time for regressions to pop up | 21:15 |
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| dprince | ttx: I like that... food | 21:15 |
| ttx | Is there any way we could mark Hyper-V as experimental ? | 21:15 |
| ttx | as in... brand new ? | 21:15 |
| russellb | i don't like expiremental much :( | 21:15 |
| vishy | ttx: I don't know exactly what that would mean. As in we may not backport fixes? | 21:16 |
| russellb | if it's expirmental, it should be baking in another branch probably | 21:16 |
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| vishy | ttx: or just warning people that there may be bugs? | 21:16 |
| ttx | no ,as in we have no idea if it actually works. | 21:16 |
| markmc | experimental is a nice warning for folks | 21:16 |
| vishy | ttx: how would we mark it, in code? | 21:16 |
| markmc | kernel is a good analogy, stuff gets marked as experimental when it first goes in | 21:16 |
| vishy | ttx: in release notes? | 21:16 |
| dprince | We could do it similar to deprecation warnings... | 21:16 |
| ttx | vishy: we did it before in release notes | 21:16 |
| markmc | vishy, release notes would be good, cfg support in grizzly would be better | 21:17 |
| vishy | in that case we should do the same for tilera and vmware imo | 21:17 |
| dprince | Log a message once per process if enabled. | 21:17 |
| ttx | can be as simple as "Folsom sees the first release of the new Hyper-V support" | 21:17 |
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| markmc | agree on tilera and vmware | 21:17 |
| maoy | +1 for experimental on vmware, hyper-v, bare-metal | 21:17 |
| markmc | we know that libvirt and xenapi are the two that are actively maintained | 21:17 |
| markmc | that is useful information for users | 21:17 |
| ttx | anyway, that's a bit orthogonal to the FFE decision | 21:17 |
| vishy | markmc: I think that makes sense | 21:18 |
| russellb | is hyper-v not going to be actively maintained? | 21:18 |
| russellb | and bare-metal? | 21:18 |
| vishy | yes lets keep going through the FFE stuff | 21:18 |
| vishy | and come back to this | 21:18 |
| russellb | it's kind of making them 2nd class citizens ... | 21:18 |
| ttx | so +1 on hyper-V ? | 21:18 |
| comstud | sorry, on a call | 21:18 |
| comstud | but here now | 21:18 |
| comstud | vishy: ya, will keep an eye on user quota thing | 21:18 |
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| vishy | #vote Grant a Feature Freeze Exception to Hyper-v Driver? yes, no, abstain | 21:18 |
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| markmc | #vote yes | 21:19 |
| russellb | #vote yes | 21:19 |
| ttx | #vote yes | 21:19 |
| vishy | #startvote Grant a Feature Freeze Exception to Hyper-v Driver? yes, no, abstain | 21:19 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Grant a Feature Freeze Exception to Hyper-v Driver? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. | 21:19 |
| comstud | #vote yes | 21:19 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 21:19 |
| maoy | #vote yes | 21:19 |
| eglynn | #vote y | 21:19 |
| dprince | #vote yes | 21:19 |
| openstack | eglynn: y is not a valid option. Valid options are yes, no, abstain. | 21:19 |
| russellb | ffff | 21:19 |
| eglynn | #vote yes | 21:19 |
| lzyeval | #vote yes | 21:19 |
| russellb | #vote yes | 21:19 |
| mikal | #vote yes | 21:19 |
| vishy | forgot the start :) | 21:19 |
| ttx | #vote yes | 21:19 |
| vishy | #vote yes | 21:19 |
| dprince | #vote yes | 21:19 |
| markmc | we don't need to vote :) | 21:19 |
| vishy | #endvote | 21:19 |
| openstack | Voted on "Grant a Feature Freeze Exception to Hyper-v Driver?" Results are | 21:19 |
| openstack | yes (9): ttx, vishy, maoy, eglynn, russellb, lzyeval, mikal, comstud, dprince | 21:19 |
| markmc | no-one was disagreeing | 21:19 |
| ttx | markmc: +1 | 21:19 |
| vishy | markmc: i suppose. Just wanted a record | 21:19 |
| vishy | ok next one | 21:19 |
| russellb | but voting is so much fun | 21:19 |
| markmc | vishy, sure :) | 21:19 |
| ttx | And if I -1 it you better convince me rather than outnumber me | 21:20 |
| vishy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/os-api-network-create | 21:20 |
| mikal | russellb: it makes me feel I've achieved something | 21:20 |
| dprince | russellb: it really is. | 21:20 |
| markmc | network-create can go in with a small tweak to the API | 21:20 |
| markmc | owner seems resistant, tho | 21:20 |
| markmc | maybe I should just jump in and do it | 21:20 |
| vishy | I think the tweak mark wants is simple and code should go in with the change | 21:20 |
| ttx | How useful is this ? | 21:20 |
| vishy | i believe they are resistant because they would have to rewrite their tool | 21:21 |
| vishy | ttx: people can stop using nova-manage to create networks so imo very useful | 21:21 |
| ttx | alright | 21:21 |
| russellb | so it's going to take an exception and a volunteer to finish the code ... :-/ | 21:21 |
| vishy | markmc: do you want to make the change? | 21:21 |
| markmc | vishy, yeah, it'll be in the morning tho | 21:21 |
| ttx | I'm fine with a one-week exception. | 21:21 |
| markmc | cool | 21:22 |
| vishy | #info FFE granted to Hyper-V driver | 21:22 |
| ttx | markmc: no hurry | 21:22 |
| vishy | ok lets go with it | 21:22 |
| * markmc will do it in a week's time then | 21:22 | |
| russellb | yay | 21:22 |
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| vishy | #info FFE granted to os-api-network-create | 21:22 |
| russellb | markmc: such a team player! | 21:22 |
| ttx | markmc: it won't be in F3, just needs to be in soon [tm] | 21:22 |
| vishy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/scheduler-resource-race | 21:22 |
| markmc | ttx, you gave me a week, can't take it back! :-P | 21:22 |
| markmc | this one's scary | 21:23 |
| vishy | ok this one was mostly my bad, it has been under review for a while and I just totally missed adding it to the list for people to review. | 21:23 |
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| ttx | isn't that a bug ? | 21:23 |
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| vishy | just for information, RAX has a patch in to serialize all create requests on the compute node to avoid this race | 21:23 |
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| dprince | vishy: doesn't run for SmokeStack... | 21:23 |
| vishy | ttx: it is, but I thought it might need an FFE because it is kind of a large change | 21:23 |
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| * ttx looks | 21:24 | |
| vishy | dprince: that is good to know. so it sounds like it is not quite there | 21:24 |
| markmc | ttx, it's a bug fix, but involves a fairly significant arch change | 21:24 |
| ttx | ouch | 21:24 |
| vishy | I really dislike the idea of shipping folsom with a nasty race. | 21:24 |
| markmc | vishy, did essex have it too? | 21:24 |
| vishy | markmc: I believe so | 21:25 |
| vishy | markmc: nodes get overprovisioned in certain situations | 21:25 |
| markmc | vishy, yeah | 21:25 |
| vishy | markmc: I would guess you notice it a lot more if you use fill-first | 21:25 |
| markmc | one the one hand - would be really nice to have it | 21:25 |
| vishy | which most deployers are not using, but rax is. | 21:25 |
| dprince | As a work around one could always under allocate the compute hosts right? | 21:25 |
| markmc | on the other hand - seems sane to only take these kind of risks for regressions vs the last release | 21:26 |
| russellb | guess they should stop that then :-) | 21:26 |
| vishy | russellb: :) | 21:26 |
| mikal | Could we just go with serializing requests for now? | 21:26 |
| vishy | comstud: how nasty is the patch for serializing requests? | 21:26 |
| ttx | vishy: how far is it ? | 21:26 |
| vishy | ttx: from being ready? I thought it was good, but dprince says it breaks smokestack so apparently not quite. | 21:27 |
| vishy | lets give comstud a minute and come back to this one | 21:27 |
| dprince | vishy: I commented on the review about it. Its this right: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9402/ | 21:27 |
| vishy | #info returning to this one in a bit | 21:28 |
| vishy | dprince: yes | 21:28 |
| vishy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/general-bare-metal-provisioning-framework | 21:28 |
| * dprince will dig into it later | 21:28 | |
| vishy | so this is definitely not quite ready | 21:28 |
| ttx | I -1ed this one | 21:29 |
| ttx | it impacts existing supposedly-working code | 21:29 |
| vishy | They've put a lot of work into this so it is sad, but I think we have to delay this one | 21:29 |
| ttx | and looks like it could benefit from further discussion | 21:29 |
| vishy | any other opinions? | 21:29 |
| russellb | seems like a case of showing up fairly late, and unfortunately hitting too many issues in review to get resolved in time | 21:29 |
| markmc | grizzly isn't far away, and there's really useful discussion on how it might be re-worked | 21:29 |
| russellb | yeah, so -1 on ffe | 21:30 |
| markmc | even simple stuff like all the binaries it adds to bin/bm_* gives me pause | 21:30 |
| markmc | would be nice to discuss stuff like that, rather than rush it in | 21:30 |
| vishy | #info FFE denied for general-bare-metal-provisioning-framework | 21:30 |
| ttx | yay, one down | 21:30 |
| vishy | #info shuld be reworked for Grizzly | 21:31 |
| vishy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/rebuild-for-ha | 21:31 |
| vishy | this is a very useful feature, but it just isn't quite there | 21:31 |
| markmc | yeah, looks like you found a bunch of issues with it | 21:31 |
| ttx | -1 from me. A bit invasive, and looks like it needs a bit too much time | 21:32 |
| vishy | markmc: I was trying to get the functionality without having to modify the driver interface | 21:32 |
| vishy | i'm -0 on this one | 21:32 |
| vishy | i could see -1 or giving it a week to try and get it cleaned up | 21:32 |
| vishy | opinions? | 21:32 |
| dprince | I somewhat like that we use the word 'rebuild' for this BP. 'rebuild' in the OSAPI is destructive. | 21:32 |
| ttx | I don't really like introducing new API calls after F3 | 21:32 |
| ttx | since it breaks QA people | 21:32 |
| vishy | dprince: * dislike? | 21:32 |
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| dprince | Sorry. Maybe I misphrased that.... | 21:33 |
| markmc | -1 ... issues found during review, came in late, only a "nice to have", invasive, ... | 21:33 |
| vishy | ttx: well it is adding a new admin action, but if the patch is small enough then deployers can grab it if they need it. | 21:33 |
| vishy | is anyone +1 ? | 21:33 |
| russellb | -1 | 21:33 |
| ttx | The less we have, the more we can focus on the ones we grant | 21:34 |
| vishy | #info FFE denied for rebuild-for-ha | 21:34 |
| dprince | not me. I'm agnostic. -0 on it though. | 21:34 |
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| vishy | #info Great feature but not quite ready. Should be shrunk down so it is easy for deployers to cherry pick it if needed. | 21:34 |
| markmc | dprince, let's keep religious beliefs out of this | 21:34 |
| vishy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/project-specific-flavors | 21:35 |
| vishy | also seems to be a very useful feature | 21:35 |
| * dprince is totally misunderstood | 21:35 | |
| vishy | almost made it in | 21:35 |
| vishy | markmc: you had some concerns but they didn't seem to be strong enough for you to -1 | 21:35 |
| markmc | yeah, +1 - it's got a bunch of good feedback, people seem to want it | 21:35 |
| markmc | vishy, I don't like the API modelling here, but it's consistent with other APIs | 21:35 |
| ttx | Sounds like the typical corner feature, but it touches plenty of core code... | 21:35 |
| markmc | vishy, so, no objection on that front | 21:36 |
| eglynn | I kinda like it | 21:36 |
| * markmc just had a nitpick after a shallow review | 21:36 | |
| ttx | I'll let nova-core assess how disruptive it actually is | 21:36 |
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| ttx | vishy: how much time does it need ? | 21:36 |
| markmc | eglynn, the feature or the API modelling? :) | 21:36 |
| vishy | I'm +1 on this one. It is an extension but it seems useful | 21:36 |
| eglynn | markmc: the feature | 21:36 |
| comstud | vishy: which serializing requests? | 21:36 |
| comstud | vishy: ah, for scheduler. it's easy | 21:37 |
| vishy | comstud: you told me you were serializing build requests to avoid scheduler races | 21:37 |
| markmc | eglynn, thought so :) take a look at add_tenant_access action, could be a subcollection | 21:37 |
| comstud | but the current code is extremely inefficient for large # of instances | 21:37 |
| comstud | because we have to instance_et_all | 21:37 |
| comstud | and add up usage | 21:37 |
| comstud | etc | 21:37 |
| comstud | instance_get_all | 21:37 |
| comstud | THis new patch eliminates all of that | 21:37 |
| vishy | comstud: so it is both an efficiency problem and a race | 21:37 |
| comstud | corect | 21:37 |
| comstud | +r | 21:37 |
| vishy | comstud: hold a sec we'll get back to that one | 21:37 |
| vishy | ttx: I don't think it will take long | 21:38 |
| comstud | got it (sorry, trying to multitask... on a phone call too) | 21:38 |
| vishy | ttx: just marks minor nit and i think it is good to go. | 21:38 |
| * ttx reverts -1 to +0 | 21:38 | |
| vishy | ok do we need to vote? | 21:38 |
| * russellb prefers -0 | 21:38 | |
| dansmith | why not get really precise and just use some fractions here? | 21:38 |
| vishy | or are we agreed to give it a week? | 21:38 |
| ttx | russellb: that's you seeing glasses half empty. | 21:38 |
| ttx | one wee kmax | 21:38 |
| russellb | typical me | 21:39 |
| ttx | I want API locked down asap | 21:39 |
| ttx | even extensions | 21:39 |
| * dprince consulted wife (english major) now understands context which agnostic can be used | 21:39 | |
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| markmc | we're still on project-flavors? | 21:39 |
| vishy | I'm going to mark it granted unless anyone complains | 21:39 |
| markmc | or scheduler-race? | 21:39 |
| vishy | markmc: still on flavors | 21:39 |
| ttx | project-flavors | 21:39 |
| russellb | project flavors | 21:39 |
| markmc | ah, grand | 21:39 |
| ttx | vishy: go for it | 21:39 |
| dprince | +1. not agnostic | 21:39 |
| markmc | heh | 21:39 |
| vishy | #info FFE granted to project-specific-flavors | 21:40 |
| vishy | #info needs to merge ASAP. One week max. | 21:40 |
| vishy | one more before the scheduler race | 21:40 |
| vishy | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/per-user-quotas | 21:40 |
| vishy | so we are reverting that one | 21:40 |
| eglynn | yep | 21:40 |
| vishy | do we give it a FFE to get fixed and back in? | 21:40 |
| vishy | or do we ship without it? | 21:41 |
| markmc | how broken is it? | 21:41 |
| russellb | is there a fixed version in progress? | 21:41 |
| ttx | do we have an assignee or an ETA ? | 21:41 |
| markmc | bit strange this, it was in gerrit for 2 months | 21:41 |
| vishy | we have neither | 21:41 |
| eglynn | I'm off on vaction for the next two weeks, but would be happy to fix it up after that | 21:41 |
| eglynn | too late? | 21:41 |
| ttx | vishy: then -2 | 21:41 |
| vishy | eglynn: too late | 21:41 |
| russellb | ooh -2 | 21:41 |
| vishy | ttx is using his powers to block this one. | 21:41 |
| eglynn | k | 21:42 |
| vishy | per user quotas will have to come back in grizzly | 21:42 |
| ttx | vishy: not time now to look for assignees | 21:42 |
| ttx | unless someone takes it now... | 21:42 |
| vishy | ttx: I was going to toss it back at the original author | 21:42 |
| ttx | hmmm | 21:42 |
| vishy | ttx: but you're right someone in core probably has to own it | 21:42 |
| vishy | anyone feel like owning it? | 21:43 |
| ttx | I'm happy to revert to -1 if someone takes it :) | 21:43 |
| russellb | how about pwning it | 21:43 |
| markmc | is the original author on irc? | 21:43 |
| markmc | anyone had interaction with the author other than gerrit? | 21:43 |
| markmc | (goes to how likely he/she is to turn it around) | 21:43 |
| vishy | unknown | 21:44 |
| markmc | ok | 21:44 |
| markmc | -1 from me too, then | 21:44 |
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| vishy | k going with denied | 21:44 |
| ttx | but frankly we have enough exceptions granted not to add uncertain ones. | 21:44 |
| eglynn | agreed | 21:44 |
| vishy | #info FFE denied for per-user-quotas | 21:44 |
| vishy | #info needs to be fixed and reproposed for grizzly | 21:44 |
| ttx | every exception we grant is less effort spent on bugfixing | 21:44 |
| vishy | ok back to the other one | 21:44 |
| vishy | comstud: still here? | 21:45 |
| comstud | yes | 21:45 |
| vishy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/scheduler-resource-race | 21:45 |
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| markmc | ttx, that's a point worth repeating | 21:45 |
| ttx | it's not just being sadistic. Though that's an added benefit | 21:45 |
| vishy | so comstud has stated that they want to use this in production, so they will be happy to solve any issues that come up | 21:46 |
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| comstud | vishy: So, ya... right now in larger deployments, there's a problem with race conditions in the scheduler... even in single process nova-scheduler. It's worse if you try to run 2 for HA purposes. | 21:46 |
| vishy | it does seem like a nasty bug | 21:46 |
| russellb | yes, i was about to say, that's the one thing that gives me some confidence that this will get worked out ... | 21:47 |
| ttx | vishy: I'm +0 on this. This is a bug, so it's nova-core decisoin to assess if the proposed change is too disruptive at this point in the cycle | 21:47 |
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| dprince | I'm +1 for it going in... once it works though... | 21:47 |
| maoy | I'm +1 on this. | 21:47 |
| vishy | my vote would be to put it in, and if we uncover major issues we can still revert | 21:47 |
| comstud | vishy: It's even more of a problem because we need to run serializing build requests... and the scheduling of builds is slow due to having to instance_get_all() | 21:47 |
| comstud | So this fixes a couple of problems | 21:47 |
| ttx | basically it's not a FFE thing... It's just a review thing | 21:47 |
| comstud | ok | 21:47 |
| vishy | ttx: so decision is it doesn't need an ffe? | 21:48 |
| comstud | vishy: We'll be using this in prod within a week of it landing in trunk... | 21:48 |
| comstud | vishy: and we won't be tolerating bugs with it, so they'll certainly get fixed. | 21:48 |
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| russellb | so if we can get it in asap, should have time to have it solid by release ... | 21:48 |
| comstud | correct | 21:48 |
| markmc | <ttx> every exception we grant is less effort spent on bugfixing | 21:48 |
| maoy | that sounds great | 21:48 |
| ttx | vishy: that's my view... but that doesn't prevent you from discussing if it's wanted at this point | 21:48 |
| comstud | This is one that will get great exercise by us (rackspace) | 21:48 |
| markmc | i.e. the time fixing regressions in this could be spent fixing other things | 21:48 |
| vishy | markmc: I think this one is pretty important so I'm ok with that | 21:49 |
| vishy | markmc: are you -1? | 21:49 |
| maoy | markmc: IMO there is always things to fix. this one is important enough.. | 21:49 |
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| ttx | if the worst case scenario is that we get Essex behavior... I think it might not be worth it | 21:49 |
| markmc | vishy, just based on instinct, haven't review too carefully, -0 | 21:49 |
| comstud | Either way, we'll be running this patch soon | 21:50 |
| markmc | ttx, worst case scenario is regressions | 21:50 |
| comstud | whether it's in trunk or not | 21:50 |
| eglynn | I'm thinking worth risking also | 21:50 |
| dprince | comstud: see my comment on the review. I can't boot an instance on XenServer w/ SmokeStack using that patch. | 21:50 |
| comstud | dprince: yep, we need to look @ it | 21:50 |
| dprince | comstud: once it actually works I'm cool w/ it though. | 21:50 |
| ttx | markmc: right, that's worst case scenario if you accept it. Worst case scenario if you don't is.. get Essex behavior | 21:50 |
| markmc | ttx, ah, right - yes | 21:51 |
| ttx | I think the regression risk can be discussed in the review | 21:51 |
| ttx | and be used as a reason to delay it | 21:52 |
| comstud | Note that this has been up for review for months with everyone overlooking it | 21:52 |
| comstud | :-/ | 21:52 |
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| markmc | comstud, yes, that's sad | 21:52 |
| comstud | not everyone, but | 21:52 |
| comstud | it points out a problem nonetheless | 21:52 |
| markmc | that's a good reason to take the risk actually | 21:52 |
| markmc | our (nova-core's) bad for not reviewing it | 21:52 |
| ttx | vishy: should be tracked as bug, not blueprint ? | 21:53 |
| russellb | i haven't reviewed it, but with comstud saying they'll be using it asap and committing to fixing issues, +1, as it does seem important | 21:53 |
| russellb | (once smokestack issues are resolved of course) | 21:53 |
| markmc | i.e. reject stuff that came in late to teach submitters to submit earlier, accept stuff that came in early and wasn't review to teach reviewers to review earlier :) | 21:53 |
| russellb | heh, bad reviewers. | 21:54 |
| mikal | Yeah, it sounds like RAX is happy to stand behind this one, which makes it feel a lot safer | 21:54 |
| vishy | ttx: there is a bug as well | 21:54 |
| russellb | need more incentive not to review low hanging fruit :) | 21:54 |
| vishy | ttx: i targeted it | 21:54 |
| dprince | oh the shame :( | 21:54 |
| comstud | RAX is committed to making sure it is solid for release | 21:54 |
| vishy | #info scheduler-resource-race is a bug not a feature so it doesn't need a specific FFE. Will be tracked in a bug | 21:54 |
| comstud | whether it's in trunk or not :) | 21:54 |
| vishy | lets move on :) | 21:55 |
| ttx | vishy: I'd advocate removing the blueprint from folsom/f3, and treat it as a normal bug with a normal review.. only with potential regressions in mind :) | 21:55 |
| comstud | party on. | 21:55 |
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| russellb | trunkify it! | 21:55 |
| vishy | #topic http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/Nova | 21:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/Nova" | 21:55 | |
| vishy | #topic Exception Needed? | 21:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Exception Needed?" | 21:55 | |
| vishy | bad copy paste | 21:55 |
| markmc | ttx, isn't that a bit processy? it's a big change, the blueprint has useful info, seems worth keeping the bp | 21:56 |
| vishy | this merged already, but it involved a minor rpcapi change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11379/ | 21:56 |
| ttx | markmc: don't really want to set a precedent that large bugfixes ALSO need a blueprint | 21:57 |
| markmc | are we worried about rpcapi changes posted f-3? | 21:57 |
| vishy | I guess the question is, do bugfixes that modify rpcapi or add minor features to drivers need an FFE? | 21:57 |
| markmc | ttx, bps for arch changes are worthwhile IMHO | 21:57 |
| russellb | i think rpcapi changes that are backwards compat are safe any time | 21:57 |
| markmc | vishy, not imo | 21:57 |
| vishy | ok good, so lets move on | 21:58 |
| vishy | #topic XML support in Nova | 21:58 |
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| vishy | just wanted to update status | 21:58 |
| vishy | dansmith has been doing work to get tempest to have xml tests | 21:58 |
| markmc | w00t! | 21:58 |
| vishy | it is going well but he's having trouble with people giving reviews | 21:58 |
| russellb | nice | 21:58 |
| ttx | vishy: as long as they are motivated by a bugfix, I'm fine with them | 21:58 |
| dansmith | well, there's a bit more | 21:59 |
| ttx | (about previous topic) | 21:59 |
| dansmith | Daryl was surprised to see the patches in gerrit today | 21:59 |
| vishy | ttx cool | 21:59 |
| dansmith | and I thought I was toast | 21:59 |
| markmc | OTOH removing XML support didn't appear to be at all controversial - maybe we should just do it | 21:59 |
| * markmc runs | 21:59 | |
| vishy | #info small backwards compatible changes to rpcapi or drivers do not need FFEs | 21:59 |
| * vishy slaps markmc | 21:59 | |
| markmc | heh | 21:59 |
| dansmith | but he seems to think that we've got more than he did, or more working, or something.. anyway, he's going to drop his stuff and review ours | 21:59 |
| dansmith | so far, we haven't found anything that doesn't work as advertised with the xml interface, FWIW | 22:00 |
| vishy | I also have some work on xml verification going on here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11263/ | 22:00 |
| dprince | dansmith: good to know. Thanks for doing this. | 22:01 |
| vishy | my stuff is specifically trying to get real tested working samples for api.openstack.org but it has the side effect of actually testing xml end-to-end. If people like my approach I could use some help extending it to all of the apis and extensions. | 22:01 |
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| dansmith | vishy: on that subject, | 22:01 |
| markmc | vishy, nice! | 22:01 |
| vishy | dansmith: i think we will start seeing a lot more errors when we get into the extensions | 22:01 |
| dansmith | I think addSecurityGroup is missing from both xml and json | 22:01 |
| dansmith | vishy: yeah, we're just getting to those | 22:01 |
| * ttx goes to bed | 22:01 | |
| vishy | night ttx | 22:01 |
| markmc | night ttx | 22:01 |
| dprince | night ttx | 22:02 |
| dansmith | er, missing from the API examples on the website I mean | 22:02 |
| comstud | 'night ttx | 22:02 |
| vishy | #info if anyone wants to help with xml support talk to dansmith or vishy | 22:02 |
| russellb | nighty night ttx | 22:02 |
| vishy | we are basically out of time, so lets jump to the last topic real quick | 22:02 |
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| vishy | #topic Bug Stragegy | 22:03 |
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| vishy | #topic Bug Strategy | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug Strategy" | 22:03 | |
| * vishy can't type | 22:03 | |
| markmc | personally, I'd like to do more bug triaging and never seem to get to it | 22:03 |
| russellb | we should fix some of them | 22:03 |
| russellb | i've been trying to triage some this past week | 22:03 |
| vishy | it sounds like we have a small set of FFE stuff so that should give us lots of time for bugs | 22:03 |
| russellb | it's exhausting sometimes ... lots of junk issues in there :( | 22:03 |
| markmc | weekly nova bug triage day? | 22:04 |
| markmc | moral support for each other? | 22:04 |
| eglynn | identifying dups important too to avoid wasted effort | 22:04 |
| russellb | markmc: yeah, that would have helped. i kept wanting to rant :) | 22:04 |
| vishy | i think the most important thing is finding the important bugs and targetting them | 22:04 |
| vishy | we need to know what is critical for release | 22:04 |
| mikal | Maybe we should be talking more about them in IRC? | 22:04 |
| dprince | Yeah. I'm seeing dups for sure. There were actually 2 bugs file for the Keypairs API Get thing that just went in today... | 22:04 |
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| markmc | vishy, that's what triaging is all about :) | 22:04 |
| russellb | need to get through as many as possible, or searching through gets harder and harder | 22:04 |
| dprince | I'd actually like to see us *jump* on them rather than let them pile up and have a bug fest. | 22:05 |
| dprince | gotta dig out of the hole sometime though | 22:06 |
| vishy | dprince: that is what the next three weeks is for! | 22:06 |
| markmc | 3 weeks, is that all? | 22:06 |
| markmc | cripes | 22:06 |
| vishy | #info nova-core: stop working on features and focus on bugs! | 22:06 |
| * markmc looks at the schedule again | 22:06 | |
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| vishy | markmc: might be 5 I can't remember :) | 22:06 |
| markmc | first RC is sept 6 | 22:07 |
| markmc | http://wiki.openstack.org/FolsomReleaseSchedule | 22:07 |
| vishy | markmc: although usually grizzly opens after rc1 which distracts people | 22:07 |
| markmc | week of sept 6 | 22:07 |
| russellb | geez, it is soon | 22:07 |
| russellb | so wait longer to open grizzly? | 22:07 |
| markmc | cripes | 22:07 |
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| vishy | markmc: I'm ok with that | 22:07 |
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| russellb | ooh a proxy | 22:08 |
| russellb | so, closer to final RC? | 22:09 |
| vishy | ok lets revisit that next week once we see how things are shaping up. | 22:09 |
| russellb | more than enough bugs to stay busy until then | 22:09 |
| russellb | k | 22:09 |
| vishy | #info Discuss when to open grizzly at next weeks meeting | 22:09 |
| russellb | as long as we have a support group | 22:09 |
| vishy | anything else? | 22:09 |
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| markmc | FOCUS YOU BABOONS | 22:09 |
| comstud | it's always a good time to open a grizzly | 22:09 |
| russellb | another productive meeting, thanks! | 22:09 |
| dprince | grizzly is hungry! | 22:10 |
| vishy | #endmeeting | 22:10 |
| markmc | yeah, these meetings rock | 22:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meeting channel. See http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings for schedule and http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/ for meeting logs" | 22:10 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 16 22:10:18 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:10 |
| russellb | it can hibernate a little longer | 22:10 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-16-21.01.html | 22:10 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-16-21.01.txt | 22:10 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-16-21.01.log.html | 22:10 |
| comstud | russellb: i need a support group | 22:10 |
| russellb | comstud: :) | 22:10 |
| file | russellb, you do know I am always available for ranting and/or raving | 22:11 |
| russellb | file: yessir! | 22:11 |
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