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| nijaba | #startmeeting | 16:00 |
| nijaba | #meetingtopic Ceilometer | 16:00 |
| nijaba | #chair nijaba | 16:00 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 16:00 |
| openstack | nijaba: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 16:00 |
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| nijaba | #startmeeting ceilometer | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 23 16:00:33 2012 UTC. The chair is nijaba. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | hi, everyone | 16:00 |
| nijaba | #meetingtopic Ceilometer | 16:00 |
| nijaba | #chair nijaba | 16:00 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: nijaba | 16:00 |
| * heckj lurks | 16:01 | |
| nijaba | Hello everyone! | 16:01 |
| gmb | \o | 16:01 |
| nijaba | who is here for the meeting? | 16:01 |
| nijaba | o/ | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:01 |
| nijaba | #topic actions from previous meeting | 16:01 |
| nijaba | #topic jaypipes to create ceilometer cookbook | 16:02 |
| nijaba | jaypipes is on vacation in europe | 16:02 |
| nijaba | so I guess we'll have to wait a bit more.... | 16:02 |
| nijaba | #action jaypipes to create ceilometer cookbook | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | that sounds like something that will take more than a week. should we change the action to creating a ticket or blueprint? | 16:02 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: we could | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | let's wait and see what he says next week | 16:03 |
| nijaba | I think he should be back then | 16:03 |
| nijaba | so let's do that | 16:03 |
| nijaba | #topic nijaba to write description of component responsibility | 16:03 |
| nijaba | I spent a day and a half at the hospital this week... so that delayed me on this. barely had time to start on it :( | 16:04 |
| _surya_ | o/ | 16:04 |
| nijaba | I think dhellmann and I finalized the schema though | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | ouch, I hope you're doing ok | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | yes, the latest version of that diagram looked good | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | we just need to export it or otherwise link to it from the main documentation (I'm not sure which is best with google docs) | 16:05 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: yes, it was all about making sure I was, which seems confirmed now... | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | good | 16:05 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: it is already exported. I will link it in the doc | 16:05 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to link schema in the doc | 16:05 |
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| nijaba | #link https://docs.google.com/drawings/pub?id=1_cIFir6HS6jSkPw7chrmyu8DGE2ZgXk79Kbj8nw-Hqo&w=960&h=720 | 16:06 |
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| nijaba | #topic dhellmann and nijaba to work on sessions for summit via email | 16:06 |
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| dhellmann | I've been traveling this week, so completely pushed that off | 16:07 |
| nijaba | I think we did not move much on this | 16:07 |
| nijaba | should we re action for next week? | 16:07 |
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| dhellmann | yes, let's do that | 16:07 |
| nijaba | #action dhellmann and nijaba to work on sessions for summit via email | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | I'll make some notes on the plane tomorrow and email you next week | 16:07 |
| nijaba | great | 16:07 |
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| nijaba | #topic dhellmann to ask jtrans about interest in reviewer status | 16:08 |
| nijaba | so jtran confirmed | 16:08 |
| nijaba | and he is now a core reviewer | 16:08 |
| nijaba | #topic nijaba to give core reviewer rights to gmb | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | now we need to go back to making patches to be reviewed :-) | 16:08 |
| nijaba | that was done as well! | 16:09 |
| gmb | Yep. haven't had time to actually review anything yet as I'm in the thick of the recruitment process. | 16:09 |
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| dhellmann | right now all of the tests are failing because of a change in the nova test framework | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | I'm working on a patch to fix that by mocking out the database, but haven't quite got it working either | 16:09 |
| * nijaba notes that anyone who want's to join canonical should consider applying to the roles ;) | 16:09 | |
| dhellmann | I hope to spend more time on it today, but definitely on Monday | 16:10 |
| nijaba | cool. We now have lots of potential reviewers :) | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | gmb, I may know some people who would be interested. could you send a me job description and contact info? | 16:10 |
| gmb | dhellmann: Sure, I'll send you an email this evening. | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | good, thanks! | 16:11 |
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| nijaba | #topic Open Discussion | 16:11 |
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| nijaba | so, their was a discussion on the use of duration on the ML | 16:12 |
| nijaba | and the conclusion was that it was finall not a needed field | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | yes, it looks like we're going to use the timestamps on the events instead | 16:13 |
| nijaba | well, what about storage such as swift? | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | what we did with instance flavors was create a new meter with a name like "instance:<flavor-id>" | 16:14 |
| nijaba | this is going to collect amounts of data, which are not based on events, but on periodical checks | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | that's true, but the code doing the polling does not know how long it has been since it has been run | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | at least there are cases where it cannot know -- on daemon startup, for instance | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | so for polling meters we will consume the results and figure out the times ourselves after the fact | 16:15 |
| nijaba | I see... so the duration will always have to be a calculation based on the delay betweeen to ts? | 16:16 |
| nijaba | s/to/two/ | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | or possibly use some custom meter names like "volume:<size>" but that feels awkward because sizes may vary so much | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | yes, that's the idea | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | and we might find 5GB for 1 hr followed by 10GB for 1 hr followed by 15 GB for 2 days, etc | 16:16 |
| nijaba | I am just a bit afraid that this should be cached if we do not want to spend too much time querying | 16:17 |
| nijaba | could we have some logic that does the calculation at the time it is stored? | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | at DH we are going to run a query daily and then store the results in our internal billing system | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | since we already have code to show usage data from there on bills, etc. | 16:17 |
| nijaba | k | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | so the ceilometer database is being treated like a cache | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | that may not work for every system, of course | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | the trouble with updating the db on every write is that it is a somewhat expensive calculation, and concurrent writers may step on the data as it is updated | 16:19 |
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| dhellmann | but I will give it more thought | 16:20 |
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| nijaba | ah... I see | 16:20 |
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| nijaba | well. I guess we'll have to see that in the optimization phase then | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | the update problem wouldn't be as bad with a transactional db, but we decided to go with mongo to speed initial development along | 16:21 |
| nijaba | right | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | nijaba, we are probably going to need to adjust the API to assume that queries can use the metadata fields for aggregation | 16:21 |
| nijaba | seems likely, yes | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | I didn't want to assume that would be possible, but I don't see an easy way to do this more efficient without it | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | as we get back to our integration work next week, if that looks like it will help, I will put together a first approach for it | 16:22 |
| nijaba | any other topic for today? | 16:24 |
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| dhellmann | angus salkeld has put together a changeset on github that adds "alarms" | 16:24 |
| nijaba | I was wondering if we shouldn't repoll our "community" on the time of the meeting | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | I haven't caught up with the mailing list this week, did he bring it up there? | 16:25 |
| nijaba | nope | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: I would be interested in moving the meeting earlier a little | 16:25 |
| nijaba | earlier in the week or in the day? | 16:25 |
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| dhellmann | ok, I'll ask angus to send an email | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | in the day | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | ah, he did send me this link, but he may just not be ready for broader discussion: http://wiki.openstack.org/AddingAlarmsToCeilometer | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | it is related to the "monitoring vs. metering" discussion, but I haven't had a chance to read that wiki page fully | 16:27 |
| nijaba | well, again, my main issue is that this is more of a monitoring thant metering function | 16:27 |
| nijaba | and to do it well, we would need to work with shorter periods | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: yeah, I'm not sure we're going to have the resolution fo data needed to produce some of those alerts | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | we only measure cpu every 10 minutes or so | 16:27 |
| nijaba | yes. but I think that is the same question we got from heat | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | right | 16:28 |
| nijaba | and we could twitch the agents to server 2 purposes, and feed two separate backends | 16:28 |
| nijaba | I think we should add that to the ODS discussion we were planning to have with heat | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | we did talk at one point about allowing different periodic rates for different meters | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | ok, I think this code was meant to be part of that discussion, so I may be jumping the gun bringing it up now | 16:29 |
| nijaba | yes, but here it would need to have multiple periods for the same meter for different backends | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | I'm neutral on the idea, at this point. I don't think I need this sort of monitoring but as long as it doesn't cause trouble with the billing we could include it | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: true | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | maybe the pollsters could be reused and send messages to different queues, as you said earlier | 16:31 |
| nijaba | right | 16:31 |
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| nijaba | anyway, I am going to propose that we store this until the ODS discussion | 16:31 |
| nijaba | as I think we should first target to finish a first version in // with folsom release | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 16:32 |
| nijaba | so, regarding the meeting time, should we start a thread on the ML? | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | yes, that seems appropriate | 16:33 |
| nijaba | I may do another doodle, but limiting the vote that counts to contributors | 16:33 |
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| nijaba | #action nijaba to start a thread on meeting time | 16:34 |
| nijaba | any other subjects? | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | that's all I had | 16:35 |
| nijaba | same here | 16:35 |
| nijaba | I guess that's a wrap then! | 16:35 |
| nijaba | #endmeeting | 16:35 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 23 16:35:40 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | thanks! | 16:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-08-23-16.00.html | 16:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-08-23-16.00.txt | 16:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-08-23-16.00.log.html | 16:35 |
| nijaba | thanks! | 16:35 |
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| ttx | o/ | 21:00 |
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| vishy | hi | 21:00 |
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| rmk | hello | 21:00 |
| vishy | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 23 21:00:47 2012 UTC. The chair is vishy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| maoy | helo | 21:01 |
| vishy | #topic http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/Nova | 21:01 |
| markmc | yo | 21:01 |
| vishy | #topic Role Call | 21:01 |
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| ttx | ~o | 21:01 |
| vishy | #link Agenda: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/Nova | 21:01 |
| dansmith | here | 21:02 |
| markmc | o~~~> | 21:02 |
| vishy | the topic setting seems to be broken :( | 21:02 |
| markmc | wow, someone can't spell cinder :) | 21:02 |
| vishy | #info Attendeees: maoy, dansmith, markmc, ttx | 21:02 |
| jk0 | o/ | 21:03 |
| dprince | hello | 21:03 |
| vishy | #info Atendees: jk0, dprince | 21:03 |
| vishy | lol i can't spell attendees | 21:03 |
| vishy | lets try that again | 21:03 |
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| vishy | #info Attendees: vishy, maoy, dansmith, markmc, ttx, jk0, dprince | 21:04 |
| vishy | #topic FFE for Entry Points | 21:04 |
| vishy | I think this was mostly hashed out on the list | 21:04 |
| ttx | vishy: the meeting report will mention everyone that spoke at least a line... so rollcall is not that useful :) | 21:04 |
| vishy | looks like everyone is ok deferring to grizzly | 21:04 |
| markmc | yeah | 21:04 |
| vishy | ttx: good to know, I will skip it in the future :) | 21:04 |
| ttx | yes, looks like everyone agrees it could wait | 21:04 |
| vishy | I do like to know who is here. | 21:04 |
| markmc | I'm actually really looking forward to digging into it more | 21:05 |
| vishy | #info Entry Points will be deferred to Grizzly | 21:05 |
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| markmc | but I think it would benefit from a good big of discussion/thought | 21:05 |
| ttx | vishy: I think someone mentioned it could use a summit discussion | 21:05 |
| markmc | s/big/bit/ | 21:05 |
| vishy | #action summit discussion needed for entry points | 21:05 |
| ttx | around general usage of entry point vs. config for some things | 21:05 |
| vishy | mtaylor: you ok proposing that session? | 21:06 |
| ttx | I think Monty is out of town | 21:06 |
| vishy | well he can do the action anyway :p | 21:06 |
| ttx | action him! | 21:06 |
| vishy | #action mtaylor to schedule summit discussion for entry points | 21:07 |
| vishy | #topic Feature Freeze Progress | 21:07 |
| * vishy is scared that the bot is broken | 21:07 | |
| dansmith | yeah, it should be replying I think | 21:07 |
| ttx | clarkb: ^ | 21:07 |
| vishy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/os-api-network-create | 21:07 |
| vishy | #help need review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9847/ | 21:08 |
| markmc | so, I got the API issue sorted on that | 21:08 |
| markmc | but never got around to final review | 21:08 |
| markmc | will definitely do it tomorrow unless someone else gets in there | 21:08 |
| vishy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/project-specific-flavors | 21:08 |
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| vishy | #help need review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11270/ | 21:09 |
| vishy | both of those just need another reviewer | 21:09 |
| ttx | vishy: we should probably communicate about nova-manage once that merges | 21:09 |
| vishy | ttx: agreed, lets discuss nova-manage next week | 21:09 |
| vishy | #topic Bug Triage Plan | 21:09 |
| vishy | so we are supposed to come up with a plan to get the untriaged bugs down to 0 | 21:10 |
| markmc | ttx and I did 20 each :) | 21:10 |
| ttx | markmc proposed 5 people take 20 | 21:10 |
| ttx | I did too :) | 21:10 |
| vishy | there aren't really enough nova-core members here | 21:10 |
| vishy | #action vishy to triage 20 new bugs | 21:10 |
| vishy | who else can volunteer | 21:10 |
| markmc | we're down to ~60 or so | 21:10 |
| ttx | we are at 67 | 21:10 |
| lifeless | How triaged do they need to be? | 21:10 |
| markmc | I'll do another 20 sometime next week | 21:10 |
| dprince | I'll take some | 21:10 |
| vishy | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 21:11 |
| vishy | #action dprince to triage 20 new bugs | 21:11 |
| dansmith | I can try, I'm just always worried about properly representing the core team's feelings on things :) | 21:11 |
| dprince | 20 seems abit ambitious for a slacker like myself though | 21:11 |
| markmc | lifeless, moved from new -> confirmed/incomplete/invalid and priority assigned | 21:11 |
| ttx | lifeless: step 1 and 2 from http://wiki.openstack.org/BugTriage | 21:11 |
| vishy | #action markmc to triage 20 (more) new bugs | 21:11 |
| vishy | that should get us almost empty | 21:11 |
| vishy | we still have lots of bug fixing to do | 21:12 |
| dprince | So just to be clear triage means assign the status, confirmed, etc. | 21:12 |
| markmc | yep | 21:12 |
| vishy | dprince: correct | 21:12 |
| lifeless | ok cool; thats much saner than other triage processes I've seen; thanks. | 21:12 |
| * dprince does lots of fixing... not so much triaging though. | 21:12 | |
| dprince | Ah. Cool. That'll be quick then. | 21:12 |
| vishy | usually i find 2 or 3 to fix while I'm triaging | 21:12 |
| vishy | which slows me down :( | 21:12 |
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| * markmc tried to avoid that | 21:13 | |
| markmc | just stuck things on rc1 target so I could come back to them later | 21:13 |
| vishy | markmc: that is probably wise. In the future I will just assign myself or something | 21:13 |
| dprince | ditto. Hard to keep focus where there is so much good stuff in there. | 21:13 |
| markmc | probably overzealous with targeting a bit, but easy to untarget | 21:13 |
| vishy | #topic Critical Bugs | 21:13 |
| ttx | dprince: it's mostly about separating things that are obviously not ready to be fixed, from things that certainly look like a valid bug | 21:13 |
| ttx | dprince: and notice what looks like a crtitical/High issue | 21:14 |
| dprince | ttx: thanks. That helps | 21:14 |
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| ttx | so that we can put it on release radar | 21:14 |
| vishy | so i think we should all be targetting bugs to rc1 if they are really important | 21:14 |
| markmc | is this not merged? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1011852 | 21:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1011852 in nova "Scheduler race condition" [High,In progress] | 21:15 |
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| dprince | It is. | 21:15 |
| markmc | vishy, well, or low hanging fruit that would be nice to knock off before release | 21:15 |
| ttx | setting to fixco | 21:15 |
| vishy | #info target bugs to rc1 if they should be fixed for rc1 | 21:16 |
| vishy | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/folsom-rc1 | 21:16 |
| vishy | markmc: right, low hanging fruit can have a lower importance. | 21:16 |
| vishy | it looks like there are a few there that are high but have no one assigned | 21:17 |
| dprince | So I found a couple tickets related to dns_domains. Kind of a niche feature... but our default 'driver' is confusing people I think. I'd like to get that in if you guys buy it. | 21:17 |
| markmc | dprince, just target them at rc1 IMHO, it'll get untargetted later if it's not getting done and we decide it's not critical | 21:18 |
| vishy | dprince: links to bugs | 21:19 |
| dprince | markmc: soundgs good. | 21:19 |
| ttx | yes, the RC1 buglist is a worklist, we'll add more and remove some in the next week(s) | 21:19 |
| vishy | markmc: I do have thing i'd like to discuss in this section | 21:19 |
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| vishy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10936/ | 21:20 |
| vishy | it got approved but i notice smokestack hasn't commented on the patchsets | 21:20 |
| vishy | dprince: just want to make sure the patch works with postgres | 21:20 |
| dprince | vishy: ack. action me | 21:20 |
| markmc | wow, that's a whole lot of +2s | 21:21 |
| maoy | seems there are duplicated version numbers | 21:21 |
| vishy | yes it needs a rebase | 21:21 |
| vishy | and fix of version numbers | 21:21 |
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| vishy | #action dprince to verify https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10936/ works on postgres | 21:21 |
| dprince | vishy: cool. will look at it. | 21:21 |
| vishy | there is one other mysql related change | 21:22 |
| vishy | ah nm, it is going to wait until grizzly: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10797/ | 21:22 |
| vishy | any other critical bugs that people need to discuss? | 21:22 |
| dprince | Nothing specific. Last week I ran the full suite of Tempest and lots of tests are failing. | 21:23 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:23 |
| markmc | this one - https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1039665 | 21:23 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1039665 in nova "Creating quantum L2 networks (without subnets) doesn't work as expected" [High,Confirmed] | 21:23 |
| vishy | dprince: yes it looks like tempest could use some serious help. | 21:23 |
| markmc | seems there's some confusion about how to use quantum with nova in folsom | 21:23 |
| dprince | I'm pretty sure there are some valid issues in there... just haven't had a change to file them all. | 21:23 |
| markmc | am I missing docs, or ... ? | 21:23 |
| dprince | I'm going to try to look into some of them this week. Or weekend maybe. | 21:24 |
| markmc | strikes me that since quantum is becoming core in folsom, we should be all over it | 21:24 |
| dansmith | markmc: docs are for lightweights, didn't you know? | 21:24 |
| vishy | markmc: yes that is interesting, didn't know that we still used legacy nw info in libvirt | 21:24 |
| markmc | dansmith, absolutely :) | 21:25 |
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| dansmith | heh | 21:25 |
| markmc | vishy, I guess I'm saying that it feels like we expect the quantum folks to worry about the integration | 21:26 |
| devananda | vishy: re: 10797, there are a few folks who would like it in Folsom, but unless I figure out why it's not working in the next day, it'll be a few weeks before I can do any more on it. | 21:26 |
| markmc | rather than nova-core folks generally poking at it | 21:26 |
| * markmc admits he hasn't played with it much | 21:26 | |
| vishy | markmc: I think that has been true | 21:26 |
| vishy | i was just going to suggest making an email to the list asking for quantum people to verify | 21:26 |
| vishy | devananda: I would love it for performance, but it sounds like it is too slow/late so we might have to consider backporting it from g once we can verify it for a while | 21:27 |
| markmc | dprince, quantum's on your todo list for smokestack, right? think I remember you saying that | 21:27 |
| dprince | markmc: Yessir. It is one of the things up next. | 21:28 |
| markmc | dprince, awesome | 21:28 |
| vishy | markmc: short term can you email danwendlandt about that bug so they can help us solve it? | 21:28 |
| dprince | markmc: To really make use of it I need full linux net support. | 21:28 |
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| markmc | vishy, will do, although dan's a bit busy right now :) | 21:29 |
| * markmc will include garyk | 21:29 | |
| vishy | i'm sure, i just want to make sure someone can look at it who has a chance of a quick fix | 21:29 |
| vishy | #action markmc to send an email about https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1039665 | 21:29 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1039665 in nova "Creating quantum L2 networks (without subnets) doesn't work as expected" [High,Confirmed] | 21:29 |
| vishy | #topic XML Support in Nova | 21:30 |
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| * dansmith gulps | 21:30 | |
| vishy | this seems to be moving kind of slowly | 21:30 |
| vishy | dansmith: go | 21:30 |
| dansmith | so, we have 17 changes queued against tempest right now | 21:30 |
| dansmith | as identified, tempest has been a bit sick lately | 21:30 |
| dansmith | david added some skips that helped free it up for the most part | 21:30 |
| dansmith | however, I think with jaypipes out, we're lacking a lot of review muscle | 21:31 |
| dansmith | Daryl tentatively approved the approach, | 21:31 |
| dansmith | then realized we were proposing running the JSON and XML tests on every run | 21:31 |
| dansmith | which is what jaypipes wanted | 21:31 |
| dansmith | and isn't in favor of that | 21:31 |
| dansmith | so, hopefully we can satisfy that concern with some strategically-placed skips and a flag or something | 21:31 |
| dansmith | but I'm certainly in favor of testing the stuff we claim to be testing as often as possible | 21:32 |
| dansmith | so anyway, we're getting pretty close to coverage on stuff that can be tested in nova I think | 21:32 |
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| dansmith | and have found three legit xml bugs I think, | 21:32 |
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| vishy | so IMO both api testing and api docs are really important for release | 21:32 |
| dansmith | one filed and closed, two more almost ready for that | 21:32 |
| vishy | markmc: has been cleaning up config samples which is also really helpful | 21:33 |
| dansmith | also thing we found an issue in nova-volume that wasn't cropping up with regular tempest but that we see when we run both because of a fast create/delete/create thing with similar names/ids | 21:33 |
| vishy | but we need openstack to be easier to install and easier to build stuff on. | 21:33 |
| vishy | it seems like this tempest stuff is useful | 21:34 |
| annegentle | yeah appreciate that markmc and the DocImpact flags, super helpful | 21:34 |
| vishy | but I don't know how to unblock dansmith with jaypipes out of town | 21:34 |
| vishy | thoughts? | 21:34 |
| markmc | annegentle, np :) | 21:34 |
| dansmith | find jaypipes, make him come home? :) | 21:34 |
| dprince | someone else on core Tempest should just push them in. | 21:34 |
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| dprince | dansmith: who else is Tempest core? | 21:35 |
| markmc | that's what I'm trying to figure out :) | 21:35 |
| dansmith | mtaylor, jeblair, davidkranz, ... | 21:35 |
| dansmith | https://launchpad.net/~openstack-qa-core | 21:35 |
| dprince | dansmith: I think if you explain it to Daryl he'll rubber stamp approve them. | 21:35 |
| dansmith | blamar, bcwaldon | 21:35 |
| dansmith | dprince: well, I did, and he said he didn't agree with jaypipes | 21:35 |
| dansmith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11411/ | 21:36 |
| dansmith | I understand his concern, of course, | 21:36 |
| dprince | dansmith: we can get blamar and bcwaldon to jump in. | 21:36 |
| dansmith | and if you really don't care about XML, hiding them in a corner is legit :) | 21:36 |
| vishy | are they in core also? | 21:36 |
| * blamar jumps | 21:36 | |
| dansmith | dprince: okay, sweet | 21:36 |
| dansmith | dprince: they may need more review, we've had very little, but we need *something* | 21:37 |
| dansmith | 17 patches is a deep queue :) | 21:37 |
| markmc | dansmith, meh, testing is for lightweights :) | 21:37 |
| dansmith | haha | 21:37 |
| vishy | #action blamar to unblock tempest queue! | 21:37 |
| dprince | blamar: We need your help to review some Tempest branches sir. | 21:37 |
| dansmith | well, I never add bugs, but I hear markmc does, so.. testing is important | 21:37 |
| dprince | blamar: also sounds like its time to recruite more Tempest core members too ;) | 21:38 |
| vishy | dansmith: have you filed the xml bugs you've found? | 21:38 |
| dansmith | vishy: the one that was obvious we have, I'll kick (gently) my team members that are holding the others to get them filed ASAP | 21:38 |
| vishy | ok the other prong of our approach for xml testing is the api sample testing i'm doing in nova | 21:38 |
| dansmith | they want to know the fix before filing, of course, but I'll push 'em | 21:38 |
| vishy | I really need another approve here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11263/ | 21:38 |
| vishy | dansmith: if they just report the bug and assign themselves that is awesome | 21:39 |
| dprince | vishy: I'm ready to approve that.. just one little question. | 21:39 |
| vishy | dprince: what is it? | 21:39 |
| markmc | dprince ... always with the questions | 21:39 |
| maoy | vishy: I had the same question as dprice.. | 21:39 |
| dprince | vishy: Would it be nicer to have an environment variable for that global to turn it on/off. | 21:39 |
| markmc | actually, an env variable is a good idea | 21:39 |
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| dansmith | vishy: yep, just timid, but we'll do it | 21:39 |
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| dprince | vishy: If you pop that in I think its a go. | 21:39 |
| vishy | dprince: interesting thought on the env variable | 21:40 |
| vishy | dprince: ok i will do that today | 21:40 |
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| markmc | vishy, will you also add a simple "how to re-generate" README to the api_samples dir? | 21:40 |
| vishy | do env variables pass all the way through tox/run_tests? i guess we will find out | 21:40 |
| markmc | should do, yeah | 21:40 |
| vishy | markmc: sure | 21:40 |
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| vishy | #action vishy to switch the api sample testing to an env variable so it can get approved | 21:41 |
| vishy | ok so once that is in, there are a bunch more api samples that need to be generated | 21:41 |
| vishy | we need to hit the resto of the core apis and all of the extensions, and that is where I expect we will run into a bunch of xml bugs | 21:41 |
| vishy | would anyone else like to help? | 21:42 |
| markmc | vishy, will the docs folks pull these api samples into the docs? | 21:42 |
| dansmith | vishy: I don't want to, no, but we'll start looking at those once we're done or completely blocked on the tempest stuff | 21:42 |
| markmc | vishy, if you did up a todo list, might be easier to snarf some volunteers | 21:42 |
| vishy | markmc: the plan is to pull them into manuals | 21:42 |
| markmc | coolness | 21:42 |
| vishy | markmc: and modify the wadls slightly so that they are used for api.openstack.org | 21:43 |
| vishy | #action vishy to create an etherpad for work around api samples testing | 21:43 |
| * markmc refrains from snarking about wadls | 21:43 | |
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| vishy | #topic Open Discussion | 21:44 |
| vishy | anything else? | 21:44 |
| maoy | i'd like get some help on lintstack! | 21:44 |
| markmc | yes, I've just noticed it's easy to typo your name as virsh | 21:44 |
| markmc | too confusing, please rename | 21:44 |
| maoy | I mean reviews.. | 21:44 |
| dansmith | markmc: I typed "vishy list" at a prompt the other day | 21:44 |
| maoy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11444/ | 21:44 |
| * markmc sorry for distracting from maoy with silliness | 21:44 | |
| vishy | markmc: :) | 21:45 |
| maoy | haha | 21:45 |
| maoy | the ci team has been super helpful and efficient | 21:45 |
| dprince | markmc: You can fix that you know. Just alias vishy='virsh' in your environment. | 21:45 |
| maoy | the silent pipeline is already running | 21:45 |
| vishy | maoy: so the lintstack stuff is just silently running atm? | 21:45 |
| maoy | yes | 21:45 |
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| vishy | maoy: and your proposal turns it into a gate? | 21:46 |
| maoy | but since the patch is not in, the silent test is always failing.. | 21:46 |
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| maoy | not in a few months | 21:46 |
| maoy | i propose to make it a FYI for checking | 21:46 |
| maoy | and see how it goes.. | 21:46 |
| vishy | so this is just to enable the silent test? | 21:46 |
| maoy | yes | 21:46 |
| markmc | maoy, hmm, this HEAD~1 vs HEAD thing - how does that work out if a developer with uncommitted changes runs it? | 21:46 |
| maoy | markmc: the checkout will abort | 21:47 |
| markmc | and this runs if you just run 'tox' ? | 21:47 |
| dansmith | vishy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1040891 | 21:47 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1040891 in nova "XML formatting for volume metadata incorrect" [Undecided,New] | 21:47 |
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| vishy | maoy: should we add it to run_tests.py as well? | 21:48 |
| dansmith | vishy: I was wrong, at least one of the other two is already filed | 21:48 |
| maoy | that i'm not sure... i only use run_tests.sh and tox -e pylint | 21:48 |
| dprince | Yes. run_tests.sh would be nice. | 21:48 |
| maoy | vishy: now I prefer not to, because it actually checks out code so it might confuse people | 21:48 |
| vishy | dansmith: nice, if that is being fixed, can you assign it to someone | 21:48 |
| vishy | dansmith: also target it to cinder as well | 21:48 |
| dansmith | vishy: okie | 21:49 |
| vishy | maoy: why is it necessary to checkout code? | 21:49 |
| maoy | because it first: git checkout HEAD~1, then git checkout $HEAD_COMMIT | 21:49 |
| maoy | so it's no longer on any branch. | 21:49 |
| vishy | maoy: is it comparing errors from current branch to previous commit? | 21:50 |
| maoy | vishy: because I think maintaining an exception file is a bad idea for silent mode.. | 21:50 |
| maoy | vishy: exactly | 21:50 |
| vishy | maoy: interesting. Well I don't have a problem with it going in for silent testing | 21:50 |
| maoy | vishy: this way there is no need to maintain the exception file | 21:50 |
| vishy | maoy: so it only runs with tox -epylint | 21:51 |
| vishy | or a full run of tox | 21:51 |
| vishy | yes? | 21:51 |
| maoy | yes | 21:51 |
| vishy | seems fine to me | 21:51 |
| vishy | might as well try it out and see if it helps us find bugs | 21:51 |
| maoy | good. | 21:52 |
| vishy | ok anything else? | 21:52 |
| dprince | not here. | 21:52 |
| vishy | coolness | 21:52 |
| vishy | #endmeeting nova | 21:52 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 23 21:52:41 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-08-23-21.00.html | 21:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-08-23-21.00.txt | 21:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-08-23-21.00.log.html | 21:52 |
| markmc | g'night | 21:53 |
| maoy | bye | 21:53 |
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