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Hitesh_primeministerp: Hi Peter14:46
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primeministerp#startmeeting hyper-v15:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct  9 15:00:22 2012 UTC.  The chair is primeministerp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v'15:00
primeministerpHi Everyone15:00
primeministerpbunch of things to discuss today15:00
Hitesh_primeministerp: Hi15:00
primeministerpbut shouldn't be too bad15:01
primeministerplet's wait a minute for alessandro15:01
Hitesh_primeministerp: Pedro is not coming today !!15:01
primeministerp#topic Installer Testing15:01
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primeministerpI just pinged him15:02
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primeministerpand here he is15:02
primeministerpalso to note pedro will be unable to attend today15:02
primeministerphe gave me some additional things to discuss15:02
alexpilottihi there15:02
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primeministerpre: cinder accpetance15:02
EmilienMalexpilotti: o/15:02
Hitesh_alexpilotti: Hi15:02
primeministerpthen let's begin w/ discussion of the installer which alexpilotti has created15:03
primeministerpa new one has been rolled to address some bugs on 2008r215:03
EmilienMalexpilotti: congratulation for the MSI, it rocks !15:03
alexpilottiEmilienM: tx! :-)15:03
primeministerpwe need additional testing coverage to try it out15:03
Hitesh_primeministerp: I am installing it on WS 2012, so my input will be coming soon on it15:03
primeministerpHitesh_: perfect15:03
EmilienMprimeministerp: WS 2012 too15:03
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primeministerpEmilienM: Perfect15:04
Hitesh_EmilienM: Awesome !!15:04
primeministerpif you call can please try again15:04
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primeministerpalexpilotti: can you please paste a current url?15:04
alexpilottion the installer page15:04
Hitesh_alexpilotti: you developed that MSI by using WIX right?15:05
primeministerp#link http://www.cloudbase.it/openstack/openstack-compute-installer/15:05
alexpilottiHitesh_: yep15:05
primeministerpok great15:05
Hitesh_alexpilotti: awesome15:05
alexpilottiHitesh_: tx! :-)15:05
primeministerp#link http://www.cloudbase.it/hyper-v-nova-compute-installer-unattended-setup/15:06
alexpilottiwe tested it on a lot of different VMs15:06
primeministerpalexpilotti: awesome, we still need more coverage15:06
primeministerpand confirmation15:06
alexpilottialso if you guys could help w the unattended setup it would be great!15:06
alexpilottiI mean w testing it15:07
EmilienMalexpilotto: sure15:07
primeministerpthe second url above has the instructions for unattend install15:07
EmilienMalexpilotti: sure, this week I'm going to continue the testing before summit15:07
primeministerpperfect timing15:07
Hitesh_EmilienM: Cool15:08
primeministerp#topic Sumit Discussion15:08
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luis_fdezhi everyone15:08
primeministerpbefore that15:08
primeministerpluis_fdez: quick to catch you up15:08
primeministerp#link http://www.cloudbase.it/openstack/openstack-compute-installer/15:08
primeministerp#link http://www.cloudbase.it/hyper-v-nova-compute-installer-unattended-setup/15:08
luis_fdezok thanks, i have it :), great15:08
primeministerpwe need testing on those15:08
primeministerpnew versions15:08
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primeministerpso if you're trying it out15:08
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primeministerpplease try to do an unattended setup on your platform15:09
primeministerpnow back to the summit15:09
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Hitesh_primeministerp: I would like to ask about Hyper-V + Qauntum, how we planning to approach the development for it? as I am not aware of it :)15:09
primeministerpwe've been able to get a session on monday at 1:5015:09
primeministerpHitesh_: we'll address at the end15:09
Hitesh_primeministerp: oh.ok15:09
primeministerpHitesh_: let's get through these points15:09
Hitesh_primeministerp: ok.15:10
primeministerpSo monday 1:50 Hyper-V talk15:10
primeministerpGoing to be an overview of the folsom work, as well as a demonstration of the functionality15:10
primeministerpPresented by alexpilotti and myself15:10
EmilienMprimeministerp: during nova design session ? or another session ?15:10
primeministerpBreakout session15:10
EmilienMprimeministerp: it's not on http://openstacksummitfall2012.sched.org/15:10
primeministerpEmilienM: in process15:11
EmilienMprimeministerp: ok15:11
primeministerpEmilienM: I've been speaking with Lauren, they just fit us in yesterday15:11
alexpilottiEmilienM: we send them the title yesterday, they are going to put it out soon15:11
EmilienMprimeministerp: how many time for this session ?15:11
primeministerpEmilienM: 40min15:11
EmilienMprimeministerp: thx15:11
primeministerpI've started the content this morning15:11
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primeministerpalexpilotti: has preped the demo w/ his team from cloudbase15:12
luis_fdezby the way, Jose told me about a talk related with AD integration in keystone15:12
primeministerpluis_fdez: o great to know15:12
primeministerpluis_fdez: is he giving it?15:12
luis_fdezi think he doesn't know who is giving it15:13
primeministerpI'll poke15:13
primeministerpin terms of the summit15:13
Hitesh_alexpilotti: What we are planning to show on hyper-v at the summit?15:13
primeministerpHitesh_: all the features that were added15:14
Hitesh_primeministerp: awesome15:14
primeministerp#topic Cinder15:15
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primeministerpSo just to bring it up15:15
primeministerpthe cinder code that pedro submitted received a -115:15
Hitesh_primeministerp: we need more review over there?15:16
primeministerpdue to some understanding being needed around the testing and moc drive4r15:16
Hitesh_primeministerp: ok15:16
primeministerpalexpilotti: and I have discussed some but additional docs and lobbying will need to be done to make sure the right people understand the testing interface15:17
primeministerpwe will address this at the summit15:17
primeministerpwhich pedro will also be attending15:17
primeministerp#topic general questions15:18
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primeministerpso Hitesh_ quantum15:18
Hitesh_primeministerp: yes15:18
primeministerpHitesh_: our goal is to establish plans at the summit15:18
primeministerpso when we come back the work can begin15:18
primeministerpwe plan to meet and discuss15:18
primeministerphopefully decide on the best approach15:18
Hitesh_primeministerp: right, I am confusing how we use OVS in hyper-v15:18
primeministerpHitesh_: we don't right now15:19
primeministerpHitesh_: it would have written15:19
primeministerpHitesh_: /ported15:19
Hitesh_primeministerp: we need to create a driver for hyper-v same like ovs, but I am not sure about this yet15:19
Hitesh_primeministerp: ok15:19
primeministerpHitesh_: yes, if we go that route15:19
primeministerpwe do15:19
primeministerpneed to create a driver15:20
EmilienMprimeministerp: I think we should begin with a driver for Hyper-V vSwitch15:20
Hitesh_primeministerp: I'll plan to make some case study on this15:20
primeministerphowever, hyper-v's virtual switching fabric allows for that15:20
Hitesh_primeministerp: exactly15:20
EmilienMprimeministerp: I have some doc about how to create a plugin15:20
Hitesh_EmilienM: Can you please mail me15:20
primeministerpHitesh_: see nec's work w/ openflow and hyper-v15:20
primeministerpHitesh_: google15:20
primeministerpnec and hyper-v15:20
Hitesh_primeministerp: I will do15:20
primeministerpthere some literature on thier products15:20
primeministerpok additional questions?15:21
EmilienM"Developing a Quantum Plugin"15:21
Hitesh_primeministerp: Ok15:21
primeministerpok, i actually need to end now15:21
EmilienMprimeministerp: have you scheduled something for summit ?15:21
EmilienMI mean, something in the evening15:22
Hitesh_primeministerp: I will search more on that, will mail in between us15:22
EmilienMHitesh_: ping me on IRC if you don't have my email15:22
primeministerpEmilienM: yes above15:22
primeministerpwe discussed15:22
primeministerp1:50 on monday15:23
EmilienMno no15:23
Hitesh_EmilienM: we have added in each other on gtalk :)15:23
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ayoungdolphm, looks like no heckj today?18:00
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gyeeok, meeting is over, we can all go home now :)18:00
bodenHi guys, Boden Russell here (1st time attending) from IBM for the Keystone meeting18:01
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ayoungboden, welcome aboard18:02
ayoungyou are looking at the usual suspects,  minus the PTL18:02
dolphmayoung: did heckj bow out for sure?18:02
ayoungdolphm, no, just don't see him in IRC18:02
ayoungWhich is too bad, cuz I was going to ask him to fight to change the schedule for next week18:03
dolphmhow so?18:03
ayoungAll our meetings are stacked on Thursday18:04
ayoungDon't think my voice will hold out18:04
dolphmi like that we're all on one day, i just wish it was earlier in the week18:04
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ayoungdolphm, yeah,  but I have 4 talks in a row18:04
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ayoung9:50 Internals, 11 LDAP/AD.18:05
ayoung11:50 PKI future18:05
ayoungOK, only 318:05
dolphmand internals we can certainly all pitch in on18:06
ayoungplus we have all the IdM folks tied up in a Keystone meeting while the integrated identity meeting is happening elsewhere18:06
ayounghttp://openstacksummitfall2012.sched.org/event/7c852552c2ba2e92b894bf55214e69c7#.UHRnwnkZUvQ  same time as18:07
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dolphm#startmeeting keystone18:07
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct  9 18:07:49 2012 UTC.  The chair is dolphm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:07
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:07
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'keystone'18:07
dolphmmight as well make it official18:07
dolphmmore officiality: any high priority bugs?18:08
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uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1063852 in keystone "Default to PKI tokens" [High,In progress]18:09
ayoungThe goal was to switch to PKI day one so we get people beating on it all during the dev cycle18:09
ayoungI had planned on submitting this earlier,  but there were a few issues to iron out first.18:10
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dolphmayoung: i saw the build failures, is the 27 failure legit?18:10
ayoungthe --wrap change broke scripting,  and now that it is in for the keystone client18:10
bodenayoung -- I did leave you a question in that bug... nothing urgent just a question18:10
ayoungAssertionError: u'2012-10-10T17:12:13Z' != u'2012-10-10T17:12:14Z'18:11
ayoungwe really should fix that18:11
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ayoungboden, I18:11
dolphmthere's a bug for it, right?18:11
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ayoung'll answer in the ticket, but the short is that devstack is set up to do it right, and the Packages will need to make their own decisions how to handle it18:12
ayoungdolphm, I think so.18:12
dolphmayoung: boden: do we have docs instructing people to run keystone-manage pki_setup?18:12
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1045962 in keystone "Transient test failure: test_token_expiry_maintained" [Low,Confirmed]18:12
dolphm#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/106385218:13
ayoungI'll trigger a recheck18:13
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1063852 in keystone "Default to PKI tokens" [High,In progress]18:13
dolphm#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/104596218:13
ayoungboden, the short of it for the packagers is that they probably need to call the keystone setup for PKI as the appropriate user18:14
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1031372 in openstack-manuals "keystone-manage pki_setup creates certs owned by root" [High,Triaged]18:14
dolphmayoung: do you think packagers will use pki_setup or do a similar setup manually?18:15
ayoungdolphm, I would think pki_setup18:15
bodenayoung -- ok, I'm still coming up to speed on openstack in general so some of my comments/questions may be obvious.. bare with me18:15
ayoungthe  thing is, the RPM approach still requires a post install configuration.  I don't think the deb approach does that18:15
dolphmboden: that's a never-ending process :)18:16
ayoungso,  for RPM,  it will be up to the end user to trigger it, or for the install script to trigger it18:16
ayoungthey might want to use a certificate signed by a pre-existing CA.18:17
bodenI was just typing that (existing CA)... I was expecting to see a set of docs on setting up PKI18:17
dolphmboden: +1 i haven't seen any18:18
bodenjust to confirm -- OpenStack does support PKI based tokens for Folsom right? I know the code is there, I'm just verifying its formally supported18:19
dolphm#link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/configuration.html18:19
dolphmwould expect them there ^18:19
dolphmin addition to an entry on http://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/man/keystone-manage.html18:19
ayoungboden, yes18:19
ayoungyou need to enable it in the config file18:19
bodenayoung, yep I've been running with with since you dropped it... I posted a blog on developer works this AM which very quickly talks about PKI, but I think we have a gap in the OpenStack docs18:20
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ayoungboden, please open a ticket, and we can use that to track the PKI docs changes required18:22
bodenwill do18:22
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dolphmayoung: boden: already opening one, will link in a second18:23
dolphm#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/106458518:24
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1064585 in keystone "Docs missing for keystone-manage pki_setup" [Undecided,Confirmed]18:24
zykes-is there a plan to introduce more like "organizational" tenant structures in keystone ?18:25
zykes-since ya'll here18:26
dolphm#topic open discussion18:26
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dolphmzykes-: yep!18:26
gyeeayoung, should you be adding openssl to pip-requires?18:26
zykes-dolphm: v3 api @ grizzly or ?18:26
dolphmzykes-: yep https://github.com/openstack/identity-api/blob/master/openstack-identity-api/src/markdown/identity-api-v3.md18:26
zykes-how's permissions then dolphm ?18:27
zykes-better then today or ?18:27
dolphmzykes-: the official spec ^ see Domains & Projects18:27
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ayounggyee, yes18:27
zykes-V2 is gonna be a wanted piece!18:28
dolphmzykes-: v3 also includes centralized policy repository, and the proposed implementation of the v3 api includes full RBAC18:28
zykes-will you be able to implement it all during G ?18:28
dolphmzykes-: a lot of it is already implemented https://review.openstack.org/#/q/is:watched+status:open+branch:feature/keystone-v3,n,z18:28
dolphmzykes-: just needs review :)18:28
zykes-Do you know how KS will play in the "Cell" game of nova ?18:29
ayoungzykes-, probably the first pass will be to assign cells to tenants18:30
ayoungor probably more correct18:30
ayoungsetup cell/tenant access18:30
dolphmayoung: cell/project*18:30
zykes-why a ccell to a project ?18:30
dolphmzykes-: v2 tenants = v3 projects18:30
zykes-isn't a cell kinda a zone today ?18:31
ayoungzykes-, a project needs access to the resources scoped within a zone.  THen, users assigned to that project can use those resources18:31
dolphmzykes-: i believe they just chose a new name for zones, right?18:31
zykes-dolphm: isn't that a "Cell" ?18:32
dolphmzykes-: i think so18:32
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bodenI did want to discuss the topic I posted on the meeting wiki when you guys are done with this topic18:35
bodenthe topic I posted was "Pluggable authN: Apache proxy vs pluggable python handlers -- which to support (or both)."18:35
ayoungboden, pluggable authN separate from the identity database?18:35
ayoungI can understand pluggable authZ18:35
ayoungOK,  I have that backwards18:36
ayoungauthZ authorization18:36
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ayoungshould be driver from Identity backend18:36
bodenayoung we had kicked this one around quite a bit on the email list...18:36
ayoungpluggable authN...why try to do something more than apache for starters18:36
dolphmauthz is the policy driver18:37
bodenand I formulated the following blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/pluggable-identity-authentication-handlers18:37
bodenhowever the direction in some of the emails indicated we should add HTTPD support instead and use authorization via apahae18:37
ayoungso I would almost see this as mod_auth_x  for eventlet.  Why put in that effort?18:37
bodenI know nothing about mod_auth_x for eventlet, so I can't really provide my 2 cents until reading about it18:38
ayoungboden, I'm not saying "no" I am just looking for the justification18:38
bodenbtw -- my background is mainly in J2EE... so I've only been pythonic for about 4 months (FYI)18:39
ayoungboden, I mean it sounds like implementing the various apache HTTPD mod_auths but for Eventlet18:39
ayoungboden, yeah,  I come from a similar background18:39
ayoungso in JEE the auth is done by the container, separate from the application18:39
ayoungTomcat Realms etc18:40
bodenayoung -- so in the email list both myself and someone else responded to the thread stating we thought there is benefit in having 'basic' authN handlers via python.. let me find the thread18:40
ayoungin HTTPD, it is done by modules.  You can do the same thing where you front Tomcat with Apache, and let it do the authN for you18:40
bodenso if you read this response http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2012-October/001491.html18:41
dolphmayoung: boden: the ultimate goal is just to support http basic/digest, correct?18:41
dolphmi feel like we're talking about solutions when we never talked about the problem18:41
dolphmbut maybe i missed that18:42
ayoungboden, yes,  but still looking for justification.  That just says "we want it"18:42
ayoungdolphm, +118:42
bodenso I think the problem was stated in the blueprint to some degree18:42
ayoungso,  what I would suggest is that whatever code we write in this effort, it is with an eye to upstream eventlet18:42
bodenthere are 3 bullets in the bp which describe what I see as the main problem18:43
ayoungit should not be Keystone specific, and it shouldbe usable by other people that want eventlet,  such as the other Openstack projects18:43
dolphmboden: are we talking about bypassing the rest api? or putting something in front of the rest api that speaks http basic/digest and translates that into regular api requests?18:44
bodenayoung, I guess I'm not following why other OS projects need support for authentication -- they do that based on the token in the users request18:44
ayoungboden, there is a good argument for basic-auth done in eventlet, if only as a testing mechanism for keystone18:44
zykes-what's a entity ?18:45
dolphmzykes-: v3 spec?18:45
ayoungboden,  just because we tie people to keystone doesn't mean people might not want to use it.18:45
zykes-dolphm: looking there yes :p18:45
dolphmzykes-: "The examples in this section utilize a resource collection of Entities on /v3/entities which is not actually a part of the Identity API, and is used for illustrative purposes only."18:45
ayoungboden, so I don't see a need for the keystone code to know about anything other than REMOTE_USER/external, but I can see a use for eventlet specific code for authN. Is there a need for anything beyond that?18:46
bodenayoung so your're suggesting if its done in python land (rather than via Apache auth) it might be something like a python paste middleware?18:46
dolphmzykes-: are you reading my github, or openstack's?18:46
ayoungboden, yes18:46
zykes-dolphm: the one you linjked :()18:47
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dolphmzykes-: i linked both18:47
dolphmzykes-: is my name in the url? lol18:47
ayoung13 minutes left.18:47
ayoungboden, feel free to continue this discussion with me after, if you still need clarification18:47
zykes-ok :)18:48
bodenayound I can see a case for a pluggable authN handler to want a reference to the actual identity driver... however there are a number of solutions to that18:48
ayoungdolphm, last open topic:  should I push to have the schedule changed, or just accept my fate?18:48
dolphmayoung: totally your call18:48
bodenayoung -- discussion here in RTC, or you mean off-line via email18:48
dolphmayoung: sooner the better for schedule changes though18:48
ayoungboden, yeah,  basic-auth + SQL  basic-auth+LDAP  would work in middleware pieces,18:49
dolphmboden: i'd like to at least follow the conversation, however ya'll proceed18:49
ayoungboden, openstack-dev or pm,  either is fine18:49
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bodensorry... pm == ?18:49
ayoungprivate message18:49
dolphmirc direct message?18:49
ayoungopenstack-dev is fine18:49
ayoung#openstack-dev that is18:50
bodenok -- we might have to take this up tomorrow... I have a hard stop at the top of the hour18:50
dolphmayoung: review some identity-api stuff for me when you get a chance :) i have a stack of commits i need to propose after those merge18:51
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dolphmzykes-: you too ^ :P18:51
ayoungdolphm, in the V3 code base? Sure18:51
dolphmayoung:  https://review.openstack.org/#/q/is:watched+status:open+project:openstack/identity-api,n,z18:52
dolphmayoung: identity-api repo18:52
ayoungdolphm, everything on my todo list is reviewed. Nothing on the link you just posted18:52
dolphmayoung: add openstack/identity-api to your watch list18:52
dolphmayoung: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/identity-api,n,z18:52
gyeedolphn, we use md in identity-api, but rst in keystone?18:53
ayoungdolphm, you can always add me as a reviewer.  That will help me prioritize, too18:53
zykes-dolphm: sorry ?18:54
dolphmgyee: yeah... apparently its easier to publish18:54
gyeei c18:54
dolphmgyee: *shrug* i didn't have a preference between them, but i hate switching back and forth... i end up writing md in rst docs, and rst in md docs lol18:54
ayoungdolphm, OK,  I'm a watching18:54
gyeehaha, same here18:54
dolphmayoung: will do18:54
dolphmayoung: thanks18:54
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zykes-dolphm: what you wanted me to do ?18:55
ayoungdolphm, Imma -2 anything in passive voice, just so you know.18:55
dolphmayoung: awesome18:55
ayoungno, not really./18:55
dolphmayoung: for serious18:55
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ayoungdolphm, Users can be associated with zero or more projects18:56
ayoungThis attribute is provided by the18:56
ayoungyou sure you want me to do that?18:57
zykes-What is "facing" ?18:57
dolphmayoung: absolutely, let's make it consistent18:57
dolphmzykes-: that's been renamed to "interface"18:57
dolphmzykes-: "admin" "internal" or "public"18:57
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dolphmzykes-: essentially the network interface the endpoint sits on18:57
zykes-hmm k18:58
dolphmzykes-: the analog in the current api is <endpoint adminURL="http://..." publicURL="http://..." internalURL="http://..." />18:58
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Oct  9 19:00:12 2012 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)19:00
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bodenguys I have to run.. was nice chatting with you... ayoung I will catch you off-line in the near future19:00
dolphmboden: /salute19:00
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jeblairCI meeting is canceled this week.19:01
dolphm#restartmeeting keystone19:02
pabelangerjeblair, was there an announcement of the cancellation some other place, or was that it?19:03
jeblair(sorry for short notice, but a couple of key people just let me know they couldn't make it)19:03
pabelanger /nods19:03
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zykes-primeministerp: ping19:15
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* Vek vawes21:00
Vek(markmc: thanks :)21:00
ttxheckj, bcwaldon, jgriffith, vishy, gabrielhurley, danwent: around ?21:01
markmcVek, :)21:01
comstudi'm a boat^H^H^H^Htrain.21:01
ttxannegentle is excused21:01
ttxand I suspect the Nebula folks won't be very available21:01
ttxWhich should make this meeting a short one21:01
ttx#startmeeting project21:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct  9 21:01:52 2012 UTC.  The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'project'21:01
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ttxAgenda @ http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting21:02
ttxMostly about finalizing Design Summit prep21:02
ttx#topic Tentative schedule21:02
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ttxWe now have a complete schedule up at:21:02
ttx#link http://openstacksummitfall2012.sched.org/overview/type/design+summit21:02
ttx(that link only lists design summit sessions, yummy)21:03
ttxSmall adjustments are still possible, due to schedule conflicts for session leads21:03
ttxBut since the event organizers want to pre-print signage we'll try to limit changes21:03
ttx#topic Split up Keystone Sessions21:03
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ttxSomeone added that topic for discussion -- not sure who21:04
ttxanyone ?21:05
ttxwell, I guess that wasn't that important21:05
ttx"right now two presenters have to lead a solid days worth of meetings on Thursday "21:05
ttxwell, one of them came up with that schedule and decided to do one block rather than two21:05
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notmynameone block of talks is a feature, not a bug, from my perspective21:06
ttxWe'll be back to this if whoever posted that topic wants to talk about it21:06
ttxnotmyname: agreed21:06
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ttxmakes it slightly more intense for the session lead(s) but simplifies scheduling and attendees lives21:06
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notmynameand opens up the rest of the week for other talks and meetings that happen21:07
ttxBrian escaped the prison21:07
ttx#topic Handle scheduling conflicts21:07
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ttxDoes anyone have scheduling conflicts with the current proposed schedule ?21:07
danwentno one reported any on the quantum side21:07
ttxLike two sessions requiring your presence at the same time ?21:07
markmcno-one complained about openstack-common sessions21:08
ttxthere might be some changes around the Nova schedule, as I may have created a conflict for Vish in trying to accommodate markmc21:08
markmcvishy can do two talks at once, no problem21:08
ttxThat's a Vish fact21:09
bcwaldonsomeone register it!21:09
ttxPotential upcoming change would be putting "scheduler for HPC" at the 10-17 5:20pm slot and leave the 10-16 11am slot empty21:09
ttxbut I need to see Vish first21:09
bcwaldonvishy no longer exists21:10
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ttx#topic Tips for topic leads21:11
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ttxA few tips... on the right channel this time21:11
notmynamespeak clearly and start on time21:11
ttxNote that the session descriptions in sched.org do not mention clearly the session lead.21:11
ttxThat's sort of a feature to make sure people do not think this is a speaker/audience thing21:12
ttxand in previous editions we expected the listed "session lead" to be present and in some cases they wouldn't even show up21:12
ttxSo this time around, you're expected to be present at most of the sessions in your topic21:12
ttxFor those sessions where you know you won't be around... you should ensure that someone else (trusted lieutenant or the session proposer) will be present to lead it21:12
ttxthat should avoid some of the disaster sessions we had in the past21:13
ttxWe /should/ have paperboards and projectors in every room21:13
ttxWe should also have webex broadcasts, though I don't know how those will be working exactly yet21:13
ttxreed: around ?21:13
* annegentle waves and is unexcused21:13
ttxQuestions ?21:13
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ttxreed: could you summarize the webex setup ?21:14
reedi'm writing a blog post about this21:14
reedhere is the deal:21:14
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reedeach of rooms Emma AB, Emma C, Windsor, Annie have one laptop connected to a projector21:15
ttxreed: an additional projector ?21:15
reedthe laptop will be the webex presenter, will show the chat and stream to http://openstack.webex.com21:15
reedeach room has 2 projectors21:15
reedone for webex, one for the etherpad or whatever21:15
reedeach room has one volunteer assigned to the webex laptop, in case things happen21:16
ttxreed: I see that now. UDS-style21:16
ttxonly better21:16
reedeach streaming session has one producer assigned by Cisco/Webex team monitoring the quality of the streaming21:16
reedif anything happens the producers will call the volunteer in each room to let them know21:16
ttxreed: thanks for the update21:17
reedUDS style, although using webex21:17
ttxDoes anyone have questions ?21:17
reedknwon issue: webex and 64bit OpenJDK/JRE don't go well together, need 32bit environment21:17
ttxsucks for me, but I'll be on site21:18
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davidkranzHaving not done this, if you want to start by putting up a slide, where do you plug your laptop?21:18
reedsame for me, I need to workaround that too21:18
ttxdavidkranz: on the second projector21:18
davidkranzttx: OK, the "etherpad"21:18
danwentdoes that mean presenter slides will not be visible via webex?21:19
ttxdavidkranz: yes, etherpad, slide, demo...21:19
ttxdanwent: good thing we don't really do presentations :)21:19
ttxreed: where does webex video point to ?21:20
reedno video, only audio21:20
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reedI am putting the links to all the webex sessions on sched.org and on a blog post21:20
annegentlelast time we created Etherpads and linked them on the OpenStack wiki ahead of time, shall we do that again?21:20
reedthey look like this: https://openstack.webex.com/openstack/onstage/g.php?t=a&d=92312430821:20
ttxdanwent: I'd suggest to upload the slidedeck somewhere and mention it at start21:20
reedpeople will need to register21:21
danwentttx: k21:21
ttxannegentle: yes @ http://wiki.openstack.org/Summit/Grizzly/Etherpads21:21
davidkranzttx: Are we serious about the webex? If so, people really need to identify themselves before speaking. That would be a good idea anyway.21:21
reeddavidkranz, we're serious :)21:22
ttxdavidkranz: good point21:22
davidkranzreed: Good. It was hard for me at my first summit because no one said who they were.21:22
annegentlettx: ah thanks there it is21:22
ttxdavidkranz: it kinda depends if anyone is on the webex. We should ask at the start of the session21:23
jgriffithSo... hate to be the stick here... but can we avoid webex?  maybe google hangouts?21:23
davidkranzttx: Sounds good.21:23
ttxjgriffith: reed investigated both I think21:23
jgriffithreed: You're call, just wondered if both were investigated21:24
reedjgriffith, webex21:24
jgriffithreed: Okie dokie21:24
ttxAny other question before we move on ?21:24
reedjgriffith, hangout is no different than webex, it's proprietary :) webex at least gave us full professional support and it's well tested21:24
jgriffithreed: webex is great for mac users, not so much for linux (ie 64 bit)21:25
reedjgriffith, I mentioned it before: if anybody provides a fully open source system I'm happy to switch21:25
ttxreed: well hangouts do not require a silly 32-bit Java-only bit21:25
reedttx, hangout is unreliable21:25
ttxbut I bet they have drawbacks too21:25
jgriffithreed: No worries, just a thought21:25
reedyes, this is not the time to discuss technology :)21:25
ttx#topic 2012.1.3 (next stable/essex) release status21:25
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reedafter the summit we can discuss21:26
ttxmarkmc: still around ?21:26
markmcoh, yes21:26
ttxHow is that going so far ?21:26
* markmc zoned out at the webex stuff21:26
markmclatest status is:21:26
markmcnova: 14 fixes merged and bugs targeted, 2 pending (from vish)21:26
markmckeystone: 2 security fixes (critical/high), 5 others merged21:26
markmchorizon: 1 security fix (medium), 4 others merged21:26
markmcnothing for glance21:26
markmcso, I think we're in good shape to release as planned on thursday21:26
markmcjust need to review these 2 patches vishy backported21:27
markmcwhich are slightly scarey21:27
markmcwe'll be skipping glance in this release, looks like21:27
* markmc looking forward to getting this out of the way and concentrating on stable/folsom21:27
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markmcttx, that's me21:28
ttxWe'll have time to discuss transition of stable/essex maintenance to a specific team at the Summit.21:29
ttxQuestions on 2012.1.3 ?21:29
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ttx#topic Other team reports (docs, CI...)21:31
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ttxannegentle, mordred: anything you wanted to bring up ?21:31
annegentleheld a monthly doc team meeting yesterday, but want to find another time for it21:31
annegentle#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/doc_web_meeting/2012/doc_web_meeting.2012-10-08-20.02.html21:31
annegentleto encourage more attendance - lots of doc team members are in Europe/Asia/Australia21:32
annegentleWill figure out a "release" date for docs after the Summit21:32
annegentlethat's all I've got21:32
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ttxannegentle: thx21:32
ttx#topic Open discussion21:33
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ttxanything else anyone ?21:33
ttxannegentle: you're on fire today21:33
annegentledoes the Filter on http://openstacksummitfall2012.sched.org/overview/type/design+summit#.UHSXb1SEP81 prevent displaying who has proposed the discussion?21:33
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ttxannegentle: It's not displayed in the description21:34
ttxI mentioned it earlier21:34
* annegentle reads scrollback21:34
ttxannegentle: that way it's clear noone owns the room21:34
ttxthat said i could revert to adding "session proposed by" at the bottom of each description21:35
ttxthat would save you the lookup on summit.openstack.org to check21:35
annegentlettx: if you can bring in the data it would be useful - but not a requirement21:35
ttxannegentle: it's a bit more complex now that you can merge multiple sessions into one slot... but not impossible21:36
mordredttx: you know, we _do_ have a system already that people use to review things...21:36
* annegentle will look up the ones of interest21:36
* mordred goes back and hides in hole21:37
mordredttx: nm - that was buffered from a LONG time ago21:37
ttxmordred: hmm, ok :)21:37
mordredttx: please ignore me21:37
ttxok then21:37
ttxanything else anyone ?21:38
mordredttx: we do have some upgrades/migrations planned for right after the conference21:38
ttxmordred: what kind ?21:38
mordredttx: jenkins, gerrit moving to new servers21:38
mordredttx: upgrade to new etherpad server (leaving that to after conf)21:38
ttxmordred: anything else ?21:40
ttxok then, see you all in a few days21:41
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