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| Hitesh_ | primeministerp: Hi Peter | 14:46 |
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| primeministerp | #startmeeting hyper-v | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 9 15:00:22 2012 UTC. The chair is primeministerp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 15:00 |
| primeministerp | Hi Everyone | 15:00 |
| primeministerp | bunch of things to discuss today | 15:00 |
| Hitesh_ | primeministerp: Hi | 15:00 |
| primeministerp | but shouldn't be too bad | 15:01 |
| primeministerp | let's wait a minute for alessandro | 15:01 |
| Hitesh_ | primeministerp: Pedro is not coming today !! | 15:01 |
| primeministerp | #topic Installer Testing | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Installer Testing" | 15:01 | |
| primeministerp | ok | 15:01 |
| primeministerp | I just pinged him | 15:02 |
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| primeministerp | and here he is | 15:02 |
| primeministerp | great | 15:02 |
| primeministerp | also to note pedro will be unable to attend today | 15:02 |
| primeministerp | he gave me some additional things to discuss | 15:02 |
| alexpilotti | hi there | 15:02 |
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| primeministerp | re: cinder accpetance | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | alexpilotti: o/ | 15:02 |
| Hitesh_ | alexpilotti: Hi | 15:02 |
| primeministerp | then let's begin w/ discussion of the installer which alexpilotti has created | 15:03 |
| primeministerp | a new one has been rolled to address some bugs on 2008r2 | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | alexpilotti: congratulation for the MSI, it rocks ! | 15:03 |
| alexpilotti | EmilienM: tx! :-) | 15:03 |
| primeministerp | we need additional testing coverage to try it out | 15:03 |
| Hitesh_ | primeministerp: I am installing it on WS 2012, so my input will be coming soon on it | 15:03 |
| primeministerp | Hitesh_: perfect | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | primeministerp: WS 2012 too | 15:03 |
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| primeministerp | EmilienM: Perfect | 15:04 |
| Hitesh_ | EmilienM: Awesome !! | 15:04 |
| primeministerp | if you call can please try again | 15:04 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: can you please paste a current url? | 15:04 |
| alexpilotti | www.cloudbase.it | 15:04 |
| alexpilotti | on the installer page | 15:04 |
| Hitesh_ | alexpilotti: you developed that MSI by using WIX right? | 15:05 |
| primeministerp | #link http://www.cloudbase.it/openstack/openstack-compute-installer/ | 15:05 |
| alexpilotti | Hitesh_: yep | 15:05 |
| primeministerp | ok great | 15:05 |
| Hitesh_ | alexpilotti: awesome | 15:05 |
| alexpilotti | Hitesh_: tx! :-) | 15:05 |
| primeministerp | #link http://www.cloudbase.it/hyper-v-nova-compute-installer-unattended-setup/ | 15:06 |
| alexpilotti | we tested it on a lot of different VMs | 15:06 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: awesome, we still need more coverage | 15:06 |
| primeministerp | and confirmation | 15:06 |
| alexpilotti | also if you guys could help w the unattended setup it would be great! | 15:06 |
| alexpilotti | I mean w testing it | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | alexpilotto: sure | 15:07 |
| primeministerp | the second url above has the instructions for unattend install | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | alexpilotti: sure, this week I'm going to continue the testing before summit | 15:07 |
| primeministerp | perfect timing | 15:07 |
| Hitesh_ | EmilienM: Cool | 15:08 |
| primeministerp | #topic Sumit Discussion | 15:08 |
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| primeministerp | o | 15:08 |
| luis_fdez | hi everyone | 15:08 |
| primeministerp | before that | 15:08 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: quick to catch you up | 15:08 |
| primeministerp | #link http://www.cloudbase.it/openstack/openstack-compute-installer/ | 15:08 |
| primeministerp | and | 15:08 |
| primeministerp | #link http://www.cloudbase.it/hyper-v-nova-compute-installer-unattended-setup/ | 15:08 |
| luis_fdez | ok thanks, i have it :), great | 15:08 |
| primeministerp | we need testing on those | 15:08 |
| luis_fdez | ok | 15:08 |
| primeministerp | new versions | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sumit Discussion" | 15:08 | |
| primeministerp | so if you're trying it out | 15:08 |
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| primeministerp | please try to do an unattended setup on your platform | 15:09 |
| luis_fdez | ok | 15:09 |
| primeministerp | ok | 15:09 |
| primeministerp | now back to the summit | 15:09 |
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| Hitesh_ | primeministerp: I would like to ask about Hyper-V + Qauntum, how we planning to approach the development for it? as I am not aware of it :) | 15:09 |
| primeministerp | we've been able to get a session on monday at 1:50 | 15:09 |
| primeministerp | Hitesh_: we'll address at the end | 15:09 |
| Hitesh_ | primeministerp: oh.ok | 15:09 |
| primeministerp | Hitesh_: let's get through these points | 15:09 |
| Hitesh_ | primeministerp: ok. | 15:10 |
| primeministerp | So monday 1:50 Hyper-V talk | 15:10 |
| primeministerp | Going to be an overview of the folsom work, as well as a demonstration of the functionality | 15:10 |
| primeministerp | Presented by alexpilotti and myself | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | primeministerp: during nova design session ? or another session ? | 15:10 |
| primeministerp | Breakout session | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | primeministerp: it's not on http://openstacksummitfall2012.sched.org/ | 15:10 |
| primeministerp | EmilienM: in process | 15:11 |
| EmilienM | primeministerp: ok | 15:11 |
| primeministerp | EmilienM: I've been speaking with Lauren, they just fit us in yesterday | 15:11 |
| alexpilotti | EmilienM: we send them the title yesterday, they are going to put it out soon | 15:11 |
| EmilienM | primeministerp: how many time for this session ? | 15:11 |
| primeministerp | EmilienM: 40min | 15:11 |
| EmilienM | primeministerp: thx | 15:11 |
| primeministerp | I've started the content this morning | 15:11 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: has preped the demo w/ his team from cloudbase | 15:12 |
| luis_fdez | by the way, Jose told me about a talk related with AD integration in keystone | 15:12 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: o great to know | 15:12 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: is he giving it? | 15:12 |
| luis_fdez | nop | 15:13 |
| primeministerp | kk | 15:13 |
| luis_fdez | i think he doesn't know who is giving it | 15:13 |
| primeministerp | I'll poke | 15:13 |
| primeministerp | around | 15:13 |
| primeministerp | in terms of the summit | 15:13 |
| Hitesh_ | alexpilotti: What we are planning to show on hyper-v at the summit? | 15:13 |
| primeministerp | Hitesh_: all the features that were added | 15:14 |
| Hitesh_ | primeministerp: awesome | 15:14 |
| primeministerp | #topic Cinder | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cinder" | 15:15 | |
| primeministerp | So just to bring it up | 15:15 |
| primeministerp | the cinder code that pedro submitted received a -1 | 15:15 |
| Hitesh_ | primeministerp: we need more review over there? | 15:16 |
| primeministerp | due to some understanding being needed around the testing and moc drive4r | 15:16 |
| Hitesh_ | primeministerp: ok | 15:16 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: and I have discussed some but additional docs and lobbying will need to be done to make sure the right people understand the testing interface | 15:17 |
| primeministerp | we will address this at the summit | 15:17 |
| primeministerp | which pedro will also be attending | 15:17 |
| primeministerp | so, | 15:17 |
| primeministerp | #topic general questions | 15:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "general questions" | 15:18 | |
| primeministerp | so Hitesh_ quantum | 15:18 |
| Hitesh_ | primeministerp: yes | 15:18 |
| primeministerp | Hitesh_: our goal is to establish plans at the summit | 15:18 |
| primeministerp | so when we come back the work can begin | 15:18 |
| primeministerp | we plan to meet and discuss | 15:18 |
| primeministerp | hopefully decide on the best approach | 15:18 |
| Hitesh_ | primeministerp: right, I am confusing how we use OVS in hyper-v | 15:18 |
| primeministerp | Hitesh_: we don't right now | 15:19 |
| primeministerp | Hitesh_: it would have written | 15:19 |
| primeministerp | Hitesh_: /ported | 15:19 |
| Hitesh_ | primeministerp: we need to create a driver for hyper-v same like ovs, but I am not sure about this yet | 15:19 |
| Hitesh_ | primeministerp: ok | 15:19 |
| primeministerp | Hitesh_: yes, if we go that route | 15:19 |
| primeministerp | we do | 15:19 |
| primeministerp | need to create a driver | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | primeministerp: I think we should begin with a driver for Hyper-V vSwitch | 15:20 |
| Hitesh_ | primeministerp: I'll plan to make some case study on this | 15:20 |
| primeministerp | however, hyper-v's virtual switching fabric allows for that | 15:20 |
| Hitesh_ | primeministerp: exactly | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | primeministerp: I have some doc about how to create a plugin | 15:20 |
| Hitesh_ | EmilienM: Can you please mail me | 15:20 |
| primeministerp | Hitesh_: see nec's work w/ openflow and hyper-v | 15:20 |
| primeministerp | Hitesh_: google | 15:20 |
| primeministerp | nec and hyper-v | 15:20 |
| Hitesh_ | primeministerp: I will do | 15:20 |
| primeministerp | there some literature on thier products | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | http://wiki.openstack.org/QuantumDevelopment | 15:21 |
| primeministerp | ok additional questions? | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | "Developing a Quantum Plugin" | 15:21 |
| Hitesh_ | primeministerp: Ok | 15:21 |
| primeministerp | ok, i actually need to end now | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | primeministerp: have you scheduled something for summit ? | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | I mean, something in the evening | 15:22 |
| Hitesh_ | primeministerp: I will search more on that, will mail in between us | 15:22 |
| EmilienM | Hitesh_: ping me on IRC if you don't have my email | 15:22 |
| primeministerp | EmilienM: yes above | 15:22 |
| primeministerp | we discussed | 15:22 |
| primeministerp | 1:50 on monday | 15:23 |
| primeministerp | ok | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | no no | 15:23 |
| Hitesh_ | EmilienM: we have added in each other on gtalk :) | 15:23 |
| primeministerp | #endmeeting | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack" | 15:23 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 9 15:23:09 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2012/hyper_v.2012-10-09-15.00.html | 15:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2012/hyper_v.2012-10-09-15.00.txt | 15:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2012/hyper_v.2012-10-09-15.00.log.html | 15:23 |
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| ayoung | Keystone! | 18:00 |
| ayoung | dolphm, looks like no heckj today? | 18:00 |
| * dolphm cries | 18:00 | |
| gyee | ok, meeting is over, we can all go home now :) | 18:00 |
| boden | Hi guys, Boden Russell here (1st time attending) from IBM for the Keystone meeting | 18:01 |
| dolphm | welcome | 18:01 |
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| ayoung | boden, welcome aboard | 18:02 |
| ayoung | you are looking at the usual suspects, minus the PTL | 18:02 |
| dolphm | ayoung: did heckj bow out for sure? | 18:02 |
| ayoung | dolphm, no, just don't see him in IRC | 18:02 |
| ayoung | Which is too bad, cuz I was going to ask him to fight to change the schedule for next week | 18:03 |
| dolphm | how so? | 18:03 |
| ayoung | http://openstacksummitfall2012.sched.org/overview/type/design+summit#.UHRnBXkZUvQ | 18:03 |
| ayoung | All our meetings are stacked on Thursday | 18:04 |
| ayoung | Don't think my voice will hold out | 18:04 |
| dolphm | i like that we're all on one day, i just wish it was earlier in the week | 18:04 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, yeah, but I have 4 talks in a row | 18:04 |
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| dolphm | eek | 18:04 |
| ayoung | 9:50 Internals, 11 LDAP/AD. | 18:05 |
| ayoung | 11:50 PKI future | 18:05 |
| ayoung | OK, only 3 | 18:05 |
| dolphm | and internals we can certainly all pitch in on | 18:06 |
| ayoung | plus we have all the IdM folks tied up in a Keystone meeting while the integrated identity meeting is happening elsewhere | 18:06 |
| ayoung | http://openstacksummitfall2012.sched.org/event/7c852552c2ba2e92b894bf55214e69c7#.UHRnwnkZUvQ same time as | 18:07 |
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| ayoung | http://openstacksummitfall2012.sched.org/event/b6f3aef2d7424f0004a57dfbefbeec30#.UHRnznkZUvQ | 18:07 |
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| dolphm | #startmeeting keystone | 18:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 9 18:07:49 2012 UTC. The chair is dolphm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:07 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:07 |
| dolphm | might as well make it official | 18:07 |
| ayoung | O/ | 18:08 |
| gyee | \o | 18:08 |
| dolphm | more officiality: any high priority bugs? | 18:08 |
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| ayoung | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1063852 | 18:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1063852 in keystone "Default to PKI tokens" [High,In progress] | 18:09 |
| ayoung | The goal was to switch to PKI day one so we get people beating on it all during the dev cycle | 18:09 |
| ayoung | I had planned on submitting this earlier, but there were a few issues to iron out first. | 18:10 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: i saw the build failures, is the 27 failure legit? | 18:10 |
| ayoung | the --wrap change broke scripting, and now that it is in for the keystone client | 18:10 |
| boden | ayoung -- I did leave you a question in that bug... nothing urgent just a question | 18:10 |
| ayoung | AssertionError: u'2012-10-10T17:12:13Z' != u'2012-10-10T17:12:14Z' | 18:11 |
| ayoung | we really should fix that | 18:11 |
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| dolphm | yeah | 18:11 |
| ayoung | boden, I | 18:11 |
| dolphm | there's a bug for it, right? | 18:11 |
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| ayoung | 'll answer in the ticket, but the short is that devstack is set up to do it right, and the Packages will need to make their own decisions how to handle it | 18:12 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I think so. | 18:12 |
| dolphm | ayoung: boden: do we have docs instructing people to run keystone-manage pki_setup? | 18:12 |
| ayoung | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1045962 | 18:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1045962 in keystone "Transient test failure: test_token_expiry_maintained" [Low,Confirmed] | 18:12 |
| dolphm | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1063852 | 18:13 |
| ayoung | I'll trigger a recheck | 18:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1063852 in keystone "Default to PKI tokens" [High,In progress] | 18:13 |
| dolphm | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1045962 | 18:13 |
| ayoung | boden, the short of it for the packagers is that they probably need to call the keystone setup for PKI as the appropriate user | 18:14 |
| ayoung | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1031372 | 18:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1031372 in openstack-manuals "keystone-manage pki_setup creates certs owned by root" [High,Triaged] | 18:14 |
| dolphm | ayoung: do you think packagers will use pki_setup or do a similar setup manually? | 18:15 |
| dolphm | "manually" | 18:15 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I would think pki_setup | 18:15 |
| boden | ayoung -- ok, I'm still coming up to speed on openstack in general so some of my comments/questions may be obvious.. bare with me | 18:15 |
| ayoung | the thing is, the RPM approach still requires a post install configuration. I don't think the deb approach does that | 18:15 |
| dolphm | boden: that's a never-ending process :) | 18:16 |
| ayoung | so, for RPM, it will be up to the end user to trigger it, or for the install script to trigger it | 18:16 |
| ayoung | they might want to use a certificate signed by a pre-existing CA. | 18:17 |
| boden | I was just typing that (existing CA)... I was expecting to see a set of docs on setting up PKI | 18:17 |
| dolphm | boden: +1 i haven't seen any | 18:18 |
| boden | just to confirm -- OpenStack does support PKI based tokens for Folsom right? I know the code is there, I'm just verifying its formally supported | 18:19 |
| dolphm | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/configuration.html | 18:19 |
| dolphm | would expect them there ^ | 18:19 |
| dolphm | in addition to an entry on http://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/man/keystone-manage.html | 18:19 |
| ayoung | boden, yes | 18:19 |
| ayoung | you need to enable it in the config file | 18:19 |
| boden | ayoung, yep I've been running with with since you dropped it... I posted a blog on developer works this AM which very quickly talks about PKI, but I think we have a gap in the OpenStack docs | 18:20 |
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| ayoung | boden, please open a ticket, and we can use that to track the PKI docs changes required | 18:22 |
| boden | will do | 18:22 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: boden: already opening one, will link in a second | 18:23 |
| dolphm | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1064585 | 18:24 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1064585 in keystone "Docs missing for keystone-manage pki_setup" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 18:24 |
| zykes- | is there a plan to introduce more like "organizational" tenant structures in keystone ? | 18:25 |
| zykes- | since ya'll here | 18:26 |
| dolphm | #topic open discussion | 18:26 |
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| dolphm | zykes-: yep! | 18:26 |
| gyee | ayoung, should you be adding openssl to pip-requires? | 18:26 |
| zykes- | dolphm: v3 api @ grizzly or ? | 18:26 |
| dolphm | zykes-: yep https://github.com/openstack/identity-api/blob/master/openstack-identity-api/src/markdown/identity-api-v3.md | 18:26 |
| zykes- | how's permissions then dolphm ? | 18:27 |
| zykes- | better then today or ? | 18:27 |
| dolphm | zykes-: the official spec ^ see Domains & Projects | 18:27 |
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| ayoung | gyee, yes | 18:27 |
| zykes- | V2 is gonna be a wanted piece! | 18:28 |
| dolphm | zykes-: v3 also includes centralized policy repository, and the proposed implementation of the v3 api includes full RBAC | 18:28 |
| zykes- | will you be able to implement it all during G ? | 18:28 |
| dolphm | zykes-: a lot of it is already implemented https://review.openstack.org/#/q/is:watched+status:open+branch:feature/keystone-v3,n,z | 18:28 |
| dolphm | zykes-: just needs review :) | 18:28 |
| zykes- | oh | 18:29 |
| zykes- | Do you know how KS will play in the "Cell" game of nova ? | 18:29 |
| ayoung | zykes-, probably the first pass will be to assign cells to tenants | 18:30 |
| ayoung | or probably more correct | 18:30 |
| ayoung | setup cell/tenant access | 18:30 |
| dolphm | ayoung: cell/project* | 18:30 |
| zykes- | why a ccell to a project ? | 18:30 |
| dolphm | zykes-: v2 tenants = v3 projects | 18:30 |
| zykes- | isn't a cell kinda a zone today ? | 18:31 |
| gyee | domain? | 18:31 |
| ayoung | zykes-, a project needs access to the resources scoped within a zone. THen, users assigned to that project can use those resources | 18:31 |
| dolphm | zykes-: i believe they just chose a new name for zones, right? | 18:31 |
| zykes- | ah | 18:32 |
| zykes- | dolphm: isn't that a "Cell" ? | 18:32 |
| dolphm | zykes-: i think so | 18:32 |
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| boden | I did want to discuss the topic I posted on the meeting wiki when you guys are done with this topic | 18:35 |
| boden | the topic I posted was "Pluggable authN: Apache proxy vs pluggable python handlers -- which to support (or both)." | 18:35 |
| ayoung | boden, pluggable authN separate from the identity database? | 18:35 |
| ayoung | I can understand pluggable authZ | 18:35 |
| ayoung | OK, I have that backwards | 18:36 |
| ayoung | authZ authorization | 18:36 |
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| ayoung | should be driver from Identity backend | 18:36 |
| boden | ayoung we had kicked this one around quite a bit on the email list... | 18:36 |
| ayoung | pluggable authN...why try to do something more than apache for starters | 18:36 |
| dolphm | authz is the policy driver | 18:37 |
| boden | and I formulated the following blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/pluggable-identity-authentication-handlers | 18:37 |
| boden | however the direction in some of the emails indicated we should add HTTPD support instead and use authorization via apahae | 18:37 |
| boden | s/apahae/apache/g | 18:37 |
| ayoung | so I would almost see this as mod_auth_x for eventlet. Why put in that effort? | 18:37 |
| boden | I know nothing about mod_auth_x for eventlet, so I can't really provide my 2 cents until reading about it | 18:38 |
| ayoung | boden, I'm not saying "no" I am just looking for the justification | 18:38 |
| boden | btw -- my background is mainly in J2EE... so I've only been pythonic for about 4 months (FYI) | 18:39 |
| ayoung | boden, I mean it sounds like implementing the various apache HTTPD mod_auths but for Eventlet | 18:39 |
| ayoung | boden, yeah, I come from a similar background | 18:39 |
| ayoung | so in JEE the auth is done by the container, separate from the application | 18:39 |
| ayoung | Tomcat Realms etc | 18:40 |
| boden | ayoung -- so in the email list both myself and someone else responded to the thread stating we thought there is benefit in having 'basic' authN handlers via python.. let me find the thread | 18:40 |
| ayoung | in HTTPD, it is done by modules. You can do the same thing where you front Tomcat with Apache, and let it do the authN for you | 18:40 |
| boden | so if you read this response http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2012-October/001491.html | 18:41 |
| dolphm | ayoung: boden: the ultimate goal is just to support http basic/digest, correct? | 18:41 |
| dolphm | i feel like we're talking about solutions when we never talked about the problem | 18:41 |
| dolphm | but maybe i missed that | 18:42 |
| ayoung | boden, yes, but still looking for justification. That just says "we want it" | 18:42 |
| ayoung | dolphm, +1 | 18:42 |
| boden | so I think the problem was stated in the blueprint to some degree | 18:42 |
| ayoung | so, what I would suggest is that whatever code we write in this effort, it is with an eye to upstream eventlet | 18:42 |
| boden | there are 3 bullets in the bp which describe what I see as the main problem | 18:43 |
| ayoung | it should not be Keystone specific, and it shouldbe usable by other people that want eventlet, such as the other Openstack projects | 18:43 |
| dolphm | boden: are we talking about bypassing the rest api? or putting something in front of the rest api that speaks http basic/digest and translates that into regular api requests? | 18:44 |
| boden | ayoung, I guess I'm not following why other OS projects need support for authentication -- they do that based on the token in the users request | 18:44 |
| ayoung | boden, there is a good argument for basic-auth done in eventlet, if only as a testing mechanism for keystone | 18:44 |
| zykes- | what's a entity ? | 18:45 |
| dolphm | zykes-: v3 spec? | 18:45 |
| ayoung | boden, just because we tie people to keystone doesn't mean people might not want to use it. | 18:45 |
| zykes- | dolphm: looking there yes :p | 18:45 |
| dolphm | zykes-: "The examples in this section utilize a resource collection of Entities on /v3/entities which is not actually a part of the Identity API, and is used for illustrative purposes only." | 18:45 |
| zykes- | ok | 18:45 |
| ayoung | boden, so I don't see a need for the keystone code to know about anything other than REMOTE_USER/external, but I can see a use for eventlet specific code for authN. Is there a need for anything beyond that? | 18:46 |
| boden | ayoung so your're suggesting if its done in python land (rather than via Apache auth) it might be something like a python paste middleware? | 18:46 |
| dolphm | zykes-: are you reading my github, or openstack's? | 18:46 |
| ayoung | boden, yes | 18:46 |
| zykes- | dolphm: the one you linjked :() | 18:47 |
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| dolphm | zykes-: i linked both | 18:47 |
| dolphm | zykes-: is my name in the url? lol | 18:47 |
| ayoung | 13 minutes left. | 18:47 |
| ayoung | boden, feel free to continue this discussion with me after, if you still need clarification | 18:47 |
| zykes- | ok :) | 18:48 |
| boden | ayound I can see a case for a pluggable authN handler to want a reference to the actual identity driver... however there are a number of solutions to that | 18:48 |
| ayoung | dolphm, last open topic: should I push to have the schedule changed, or just accept my fate? | 18:48 |
| dolphm | ayoung: totally your call | 18:48 |
| boden | ayoung -- discussion here in RTC, or you mean off-line via email | 18:48 |
| dolphm | ayoung: sooner the better for schedule changes though | 18:48 |
| ayoung | boden, yeah, basic-auth + SQL basic-auth+LDAP would work in middleware pieces, | 18:49 |
| dolphm | boden: i'd like to at least follow the conversation, however ya'll proceed | 18:49 |
| ayoung | boden, openstack-dev or pm, either is fine | 18:49 |
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| boden | sorry... pm == ? | 18:49 |
| ayoung | private message | 18:49 |
| dolphm | irc direct message? | 18:49 |
| ayoung | openstack-dev is fine | 18:49 |
| ayoung | #openstack-dev that is | 18:50 |
| boden | ok -- we might have to take this up tomorrow... I have a hard stop at the top of the hour | 18:50 |
| dolphm | ayoung: review some identity-api stuff for me when you get a chance :) i have a stack of commits i need to propose after those merge | 18:51 |
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| dolphm | zykes-: you too ^ :P | 18:51 |
| ayoung | dolphm, in the V3 code base? Sure | 18:51 |
| dolphm | ayoung: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/is:watched+status:open+project:openstack/identity-api,n,z | 18:52 |
| dolphm | ayoung: identity-api repo | 18:52 |
| ayoung | dolphm, everything on my todo list is reviewed. Nothing on the link you just posted | 18:52 |
| dolphm | ayoung: add openstack/identity-api to your watch list | 18:52 |
| dolphm | ayoung: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/identity-api,n,z | 18:52 |
| gyee | dolphn, we use md in identity-api, but rst in keystone? | 18:53 |
| ayoung | dolphm, you can always add me as a reviewer. That will help me prioritize, too | 18:53 |
| gyee | dolphm | 18:53 |
| zykes- | dolphm: sorry ? | 18:54 |
| dolphm | gyee: yeah... apparently its easier to publish | 18:54 |
| gyee | i c | 18:54 |
| dolphm | gyee: *shrug* i didn't have a preference between them, but i hate switching back and forth... i end up writing md in rst docs, and rst in md docs lol | 18:54 |
| ayoung | dolphm, OK, I'm a watching | 18:54 |
| gyee | haha, same here | 18:54 |
| dolphm | ayoung: will do | 18:54 |
| dolphm | ayoung: thanks | 18:54 |
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| zykes- | dolphm: what you wanted me to do ? | 18:55 |
| ayoung | dolphm, Imma -2 anything in passive voice, just so you know. | 18:55 |
| dolphm | ayoung: awesome | 18:55 |
| ayoung | no, not really./ | 18:55 |
| dolphm | ayoung: for serious | 18:55 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, Users can be associated with zero or more projects | 18:56 |
| ayoung | This attribute is provided by the | 18:56 |
| ayoung | you sure you want me to do that? | 18:57 |
| zykes- | What is "facing" ? | 18:57 |
| dolphm | ayoung: absolutely, let's make it consistent | 18:57 |
| dolphm | zykes-: that's been renamed to "interface" | 18:57 |
| dolphm | zykes-: "admin" "internal" or "public" | 18:57 |
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| dolphm | zykes-: essentially the network interface the endpoint sits on | 18:57 |
| zykes- | hmm k | 18:58 |
| dolphm | zykes-: the analog in the current api is <endpoint adminURL="http://..." publicURL="http://..." internalURL="http://..." /> | 18:58 |
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| dolphm | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 9 19:00:12 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2012/keystone.2012-10-09-18.07.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2012/keystone.2012-10-09-18.07.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2012/keystone.2012-10-09-18.07.log.html | 19:00 |
| boden | guys I have to run.. was nice chatting with you... ayoung I will catch you off-line in the near future | 19:00 |
| dolphm | boden: /salute | 19:00 |
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| jeblair | CI meeting is canceled this week. | 19:01 |
| dolphm | #restartmeeting keystone | 19:02 |
| pabelanger | roger | 19:02 |
| dolphm | #hijackmeeting | 19:02 |
| pabelanger | jeblair, was there an announcement of the cancellation some other place, or was that it? | 19:03 |
| jeblair | (sorry for short notice, but a couple of key people just let me know they couldn't make it) | 19:03 |
| pabelanger | /nods | 19:03 |
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| ttx | o/ | 21:00 |
| comstud | hi | 21:00 |
| notmyname | o/ | 21:00 |
| * Vek vawes | 21:00 | |
| markmc | hey | 21:00 |
| davidkranz | o/ | 21:00 |
| Vek | (markmc: thanks :) | 21:00 |
| ttx | heckj, bcwaldon, jgriffith, vishy, gabrielhurley, danwent: around ? | 21:01 |
| markmc | Vek, :) | 21:01 |
| danwent | o/ | 21:01 |
| comstud | i'm a boat^H^H^H^Htrain. | 21:01 |
| ttx | annegentle is excused | 21:01 |
| ttx | and I suspect the Nebula folks won't be very available | 21:01 |
| ttx | Which should make this meeting a short one | 21:01 |
| jgriffith | o/ | 21:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 9 21:01:52 2012 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:01 |
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| ttx | Agenda @ http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:02 |
| ttx | Mostly about finalizing Design Summit prep | 21:02 |
| ttx | #topic Tentative schedule | 21:02 |
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| ttx | We now have a complete schedule up at: | 21:02 |
| ttx | #link http://openstacksummitfall2012.sched.org/overview/type/design+summit | 21:02 |
| ttx | (that link only lists design summit sessions, yummy) | 21:03 |
| ttx | Small adjustments are still possible, due to schedule conflicts for session leads | 21:03 |
| ttx | But since the event organizers want to pre-print signage we'll try to limit changes | 21:03 |
| ttx | #topic Split up Keystone Sessions | 21:03 |
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| ttx | Someone added that topic for discussion -- not sure who | 21:04 |
| ttx | anyone ? | 21:05 |
| ttx | well, I guess that wasn't that important | 21:05 |
| jgriffith | hehe | 21:05 |
| ttx | "right now two presenters have to lead a solid days worth of meetings on Thursday " | 21:05 |
| ttx | well, one of them came up with that schedule and decided to do one block rather than two | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | one block of talks is a feature, not a bug, from my perspective | 21:06 |
| ttx | We'll be back to this if whoever posted that topic wants to talk about it | 21:06 |
| ttx | notmyname: agreed | 21:06 |
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| ttx | makes it slightly more intense for the session lead(s) but simplifies scheduling and attendees lives | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | and opens up the rest of the week for other talks and meetings that happen | 21:07 |
| ttx | Brian escaped the prison | 21:07 |
| bcwaldon | allo | 21:07 |
| ttx | #topic Handle scheduling conflicts | 21:07 |
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| ttx | Does anyone have scheduling conflicts with the current proposed schedule ? | 21:07 |
| danwent | no one reported any on the quantum side | 21:07 |
| ttx | Like two sessions requiring your presence at the same time ? | 21:07 |
| davidkranz | Nope | 21:08 |
| markmc | no-one complained about openstack-common sessions | 21:08 |
| ttx | there might be some changes around the Nova schedule, as I may have created a conflict for Vish in trying to accommodate markmc | 21:08 |
| markmc | vishy can do two talks at once, no problem | 21:08 |
| ttx | That's a Vish fact | 21:09 |
| bcwaldon | someone register it! | 21:09 |
| ttx | Potential upcoming change would be putting "scheduler for HPC" at the 10-17 5:20pm slot and leave the 10-16 11am slot empty | 21:09 |
| ttx | but I need to see Vish first | 21:09 |
| bcwaldon | vishy no longer exists | 21:10 |
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| ttx | #topic Tips for topic leads | 21:11 |
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| ttx | A few tips... on the right channel this time | 21:11 |
| notmyname | speak clearly and start on time | 21:11 |
| ttx | Note that the session descriptions in sched.org do not mention clearly the session lead. | 21:11 |
| ttx | That's sort of a feature to make sure people do not think this is a speaker/audience thing | 21:12 |
| ttx | and in previous editions we expected the listed "session lead" to be present and in some cases they wouldn't even show up | 21:12 |
| ttx | So this time around, you're expected to be present at most of the sessions in your topic | 21:12 |
| ttx | For those sessions where you know you won't be around... you should ensure that someone else (trusted lieutenant or the session proposer) will be present to lead it | 21:12 |
| ttx | that should avoid some of the disaster sessions we had in the past | 21:13 |
| ttx | We /should/ have paperboards and projectors in every room | 21:13 |
| ttx | We should also have webex broadcasts, though I don't know how those will be working exactly yet | 21:13 |
| ttx | reed: around ? | 21:13 |
| * annegentle waves and is unexcused | 21:13 | |
| reed | yes | 21:13 |
| ttx | Questions ? | 21:13 |
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| ttx | reed: could you summarize the webex setup ? | 21:14 |
| reed | i'm writing a blog post about this | 21:14 |
| reed | here is the deal: | 21:14 |
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| reed | each of rooms Emma AB, Emma C, Windsor, Annie have one laptop connected to a projector | 21:15 |
| ttx | reed: an additional projector ? | 21:15 |
| reed | the laptop will be the webex presenter, will show the chat and stream to http://openstack.webex.com | 21:15 |
| reed | each room has 2 projectors | 21:15 |
| reed | one for webex, one for the etherpad or whatever | 21:15 |
| reed | each room has one volunteer assigned to the webex laptop, in case things happen | 21:16 |
| ttx | reed: I see that now. UDS-style | 21:16 |
| ttx | only better | 21:16 |
| reed | each streaming session has one producer assigned by Cisco/Webex team monitoring the quality of the streaming | 21:16 |
| reed | if anything happens the producers will call the volunteer in each room to let them know | 21:16 |
| ttx | reed: thanks for the update | 21:17 |
| reed | UDS style, although using webex | 21:17 |
| ttx | Does anyone have questions ? | 21:17 |
| reed | knwon issue: webex and 64bit OpenJDK/JRE don't go well together, need 32bit environment | 21:17 |
| ttx | sucks for me, but I'll be on site | 21:18 |
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| davidkranz | Having not done this, if you want to start by putting up a slide, where do you plug your laptop? | 21:18 |
| reed | same for me, I need to workaround that too | 21:18 |
| ttx | davidkranz: on the second projector | 21:18 |
| davidkranz | ttx: OK, the "etherpad" | 21:18 |
| danwent | does that mean presenter slides will not be visible via webex? | 21:19 |
| ttx | davidkranz: yes, etherpad, slide, demo... | 21:19 |
| annegentle | o/ | 21:19 |
| ttx | danwent: good thing we don't really do presentations :) | 21:19 |
| ttx | reed: where does webex video point to ? | 21:20 |
| reed | no video, only audio | 21:20 |
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| ttx | oh. | 21:20 |
| reed | I am putting the links to all the webex sessions on sched.org and on a blog post | 21:20 |
| annegentle | last time we created Etherpads and linked them on the OpenStack wiki ahead of time, shall we do that again? | 21:20 |
| reed | they look like this: https://openstack.webex.com/openstack/onstage/g.php?t=a&d=923124308 | 21:20 |
| ttx | danwent: I'd suggest to upload the slidedeck somewhere and mention it at start | 21:20 |
| reed | people will need to register | 21:21 |
| danwent | ttx: k | 21:21 |
| ttx | annegentle: yes @ http://wiki.openstack.org/Summit/Grizzly/Etherpads | 21:21 |
| davidkranz | ttx: Are we serious about the webex? If so, people really need to identify themselves before speaking. That would be a good idea anyway. | 21:21 |
| reed | davidkranz, we're serious :) | 21:22 |
| ttx | davidkranz: good point | 21:22 |
| davidkranz | reed: Good. It was hard for me at my first summit because no one said who they were. | 21:22 |
| annegentle | ttx: ah thanks there it is | 21:22 |
| ttx | davidkranz: it kinda depends if anyone is on the webex. We should ask at the start of the session | 21:23 |
| jgriffith | So... hate to be the stick here... but can we avoid webex? maybe google hangouts? | 21:23 |
| davidkranz | ttx: Sounds good. | 21:23 |
| ttx | jgriffith: reed investigated both I think | 21:23 |
| jgriffith | reed: You're call, just wondered if both were investigated | 21:24 |
| reed | jgriffith, webex | 21:24 |
| jgriffith | reed: Okie dokie | 21:24 |
| ttx | Any other question before we move on ? | 21:24 |
| reed | jgriffith, hangout is no different than webex, it's proprietary :) webex at least gave us full professional support and it's well tested | 21:24 |
| jgriffith | reed: webex is great for mac users, not so much for linux (ie 64 bit) | 21:25 |
| reed | jgriffith, I mentioned it before: if anybody provides a fully open source system I'm happy to switch | 21:25 |
| ttx | reed: well hangouts do not require a silly 32-bit Java-only bit | 21:25 |
| reed | ttx, hangout is unreliable | 21:25 |
| ttx | but I bet they have drawbacks too | 21:25 |
| jgriffith | reed: No worries, just a thought | 21:25 |
| reed | yes, this is not the time to discuss technology :) | 21:25 |
| ttx | #topic 2012.1.3 (next stable/essex) release status | 21:25 |
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| jgriffith | LOL | 21:26 |
| reed | after the summit we can discuss | 21:26 |
| ttx | markmc: still around ? | 21:26 |
| markmc | oh, yes | 21:26 |
| ttx | How is that going so far ? | 21:26 |
| * markmc zoned out at the webex stuff | 21:26 | |
| markmc | latest status is: | 21:26 |
| markmc | nova: 14 fixes merged and bugs targeted, 2 pending (from vish) | 21:26 |
| markmc | keystone: 2 security fixes (critical/high), 5 others merged | 21:26 |
| markmc | horizon: 1 security fix (medium), 4 others merged | 21:26 |
| markmc | nothing for glance | 21:26 |
| markmc | so, I think we're in good shape to release as planned on thursday | 21:26 |
| markmc | just need to review these 2 patches vishy backported | 21:27 |
| markmc | which are slightly scarey | 21:27 |
| markmc | we'll be skipping glance in this release, looks like | 21:27 |
| * markmc looking forward to getting this out of the way and concentrating on stable/folsom | 21:27 | |
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| markmc | ttx, that's me | 21:28 |
| ttx | We'll have time to discuss transition of stable/essex maintenance to a specific team at the Summit. | 21:29 |
| ttx | Questions on 2012.1.3 ? | 21:29 |
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| ttx | #topic Other team reports (docs, CI...) | 21:31 |
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| ttx | annegentle, mordred: anything you wanted to bring up ? | 21:31 |
| annegentle | held a monthly doc team meeting yesterday, but want to find another time for it | 21:31 |
| annegentle | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/doc_web_meeting/2012/doc_web_meeting.2012-10-08-20.02.html | 21:31 |
| annegentle | to encourage more attendance - lots of doc team members are in Europe/Asia/Australia | 21:32 |
| annegentle | Will figure out a "release" date for docs after the Summit | 21:32 |
| annegentle | that's all I've got | 21:32 |
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| ttx | annegentle: thx | 21:32 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:33 |
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| ttx | anything else anyone ? | 21:33 |
| annegentle | o/ | 21:33 |
| ttx | annegentle: you're on fire today | 21:33 |
| annegentle | does the Filter on http://openstacksummitfall2012.sched.org/overview/type/design+summit#.UHSXb1SEP81 prevent displaying who has proposed the discussion? | 21:33 |
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| ttx | annegentle: It's not displayed in the description | 21:34 |
| ttx | I mentioned it earlier | 21:34 |
| * annegentle reads scrollback | 21:34 | |
| ttx | annegentle: that way it's clear noone owns the room | 21:34 |
| ttx | that said i could revert to adding "session proposed by" at the bottom of each description | 21:35 |
| ttx | that would save you the lookup on summit.openstack.org to check | 21:35 |
| annegentle | ttx: if you can bring in the data it would be useful - but not a requirement | 21:35 |
| ttx | annegentle: it's a bit more complex now that you can merge multiple sessions into one slot... but not impossible | 21:36 |
| mordred | ttx: you know, we _do_ have a system already that people use to review things... | 21:36 |
| * annegentle will look up the ones of interest | 21:36 | |
| * mordred goes back and hides in hole | 21:37 | |
| mordred | ttx: nm - that was buffered from a LONG time ago | 21:37 |
| ttx | mordred: hmm, ok :) | 21:37 |
| mordred | ttx: please ignore me | 21:37 |
| ttx | ok then | 21:37 |
| ttx | anything else anyone ? | 21:38 |
| mordred | ttx: we do have some upgrades/migrations planned for right after the conference | 21:38 |
| ttx | mordred: what kind ? | 21:38 |
| mordred | ttx: jenkins, gerrit moving to new servers | 21:38 |
| mordred | ttx: upgrade to new etherpad server (leaving that to after conf) | 21:38 |
| ttx | cool | 21:40 |
| ttx | mordred: anything else ? | 21:40 |
| ttx | ok then, see you all in a few days | 21:41 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 9 21:41:35 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2012/project.2012-10-09-21.01.html | 21:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2012/project.2012-10-09-21.01.txt | 21:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2012/project.2012-10-09-21.01.log.html | 21:41 |
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