Thursday, 2012-10-11

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t_so i have been out of the loop for a while but i was wondering if anyone knows about Anonymous?03:40
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nijaba#startmeeting Ceilometer15:00
openstacknijaba: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.15:00
nijaba#meetingtopic Ceilometer15:00
nijaba#chair nijaba15:00
nijabahmmm, looks like someone forgot to end their meeting15:00
dhellmannI guess it has to be ended by the same person?15:01
russellbnijaba: ping #openstack-infra ...15:01
dhellmannmaybe someone in -infra can help?15:01
nijabajgriffith: can you end your meeting please?15:01
russellbwould be cool if there was a meeting timeout, heh15:02
dhellmannjd__: we're not logging yet because we're in someone else's meeting still15:02
nijabajust asked in -infra too15:03
jd__hehe just read that15:03
jeblairhi.  i'll work on fixing the bot.15:03
mordredjgriffith: just so you know - the command is #endmeeting ... #end meeting doesn't end the meeting. :(15:03
nijabajeblair: should be coming to the rescue15:03
mordredjeblair: was a miss-typed command15:03
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack"15:04
openstackMeeting ended Thu Oct 11 15:04:38 2012 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)15:04
openstackMinutes (text):
nijaba#startmeeting Ceilometer15:04
nijaba#meetingtopic Ceilometer15:04
nijaba#chair nijaba15:04
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct 11 15:04:48 2012 UTC.  The chair is nijaba. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:04
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer'15:04
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)"15:04
openstackCurrent chairs: nijaba15:04
nijabaHello everyone! Show of hands, who is around for the ceilometer meeting?15:05
nijabathanks jeblair15:05
nijaba#topic actions from previous meeting15:05
*** openstack changes topic to "actions from previous meeting (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)"15:05
nijaba#topic jd to create a stable branch on monday15:05
*** openstack changes topic to "jd to create a stable branch on monday (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)"15:05
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nijabaso I think this was consider too much of a pai by the infra team, right jd__?15:06
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dhellmannso we will use master as our stable branch?15:06
jd__and we can't ask all of that because we're not official nor incubated15:06
* dhellmann wonders how hard it is to make branches15:07
jd__actually, miletsone-proposed was refused15:07
jd__not doing a folsom branch15:07
jeblairso i think we wanted to set up permissions so you can make your own branches....15:07
jeblairbut we haven't gotten around to that yet15:07
dhellmannjeblair: that would be a good compromise15:07
nijabayes,that would be nice15:07
jd__we'll be able to create a folsom branch just by asking infra to create it with the commit id15:07
jeblairso in the mean time, we should just create the branch for you instead of giving you a hard time.  :)15:07
jd__(well unless jeblair give us permissions)15:07
nijabajeblair: can I mark an action for you?15:08
nijaba(sorry to have pulled you in a trap)15:08
jeblairnijaba: sure.  :)15:08
dhellmanndo we want whatever HEAD is now, or do we need to think about which revision should be used?15:09
nijaba#action jeblair to give us rights t create our own branches15:09
nijabadhellmann: let's see that under the release status topic15:09
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dhellmannnijaba: ok15:09
eglynnso in the end, it was decided not to go ahead with the milestone-proposed style branching for the run-up to the release?15:09
nijabaeglynn: yep, we did not have much coice15:10
eglynnnijaba: fair enough15:10
nijaba#topic nijaba to prime release notes in the docs15:10
*** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to prime release notes in the docs (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)"15:10
nijabahis was done and is now visible at15:10
nijabaPlease send patches if we need to add to this15:10
nijabadoc/sources/releasenotes/ in the code15:11
nijabaany comments or suggestions?15:11
dhellmannthanks for doing so much work on the docs this week, nijaba, they look really good15:12
nijabayou are welcome dhellmann15:12
nijabaI'll skip the next action as it was already discussed as part of the first acton15:12
nijaba#topic jd to check if infrateam can generate a tarball for us15:12
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nijabajd__: what did infra say on this?15:13
dhellmannwould that be different than the tarballs github produces in some way?15:13
jd__didn't ask, but we can have some on github I think15:13
nijabaso that's link to us being admin of our projec on github, I guess?15:14
jd__somehow yes, we need to be able to tag our project15:14
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dhellmannI wonder if we can just push a tag to that repo through gerrit?15:14
nijabaok, we already have an action on this, but will need to chase this quickly to be able to release15:15
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jd__i think globally that infra doesn't know more than us how to handle our project and our release, so once we want to release we'll have to go ask for things *now* and they'll have to find a way :)15:15
dhellmannjd__: maybe if we just focus on getting the permissions, we can experiment15:16
nijabadhellmann: +115:16
jd__ah sure, but I didn't feel they wanted to give us any permission15:16
jd__but I might be wrong :)15:16
nijabajeblair: any comments on this?15:16
jd__now that we are asking for so many thing they might change their mind :-D15:16
dhellmannjd__: I think it was only a matter of not having time to help us15:17
* nijaba propose that we go in #infra just after the meeting to get to the bottom of this15:18
jd__#vote yes15:18
jeblairso i think the way we want to handle this is for one or more of you guys brush up on how jenkins jobs are built15:18
jeblairand then you can add it to the infra yourself15:18
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* dhellmann is confused15:18
jtranthat's  agood idea.15:18
jeblairall the jobs, etc, are in a git repo anyone can submit changes to15:18
dhellmannwhat does jenkins have to do with branching our repo?15:19
jeblairdhellmann: this was tarballs, yeah?15:19
dhellmannoh, I see15:19
dhellmannnijaba: is the tarball a release requirement?15:19
nijabadhellmann: I would think so...15:19
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nijabadhellmann: what would distro use otherwise?  brnahc?15:20
nijababranch even...15:20
dhellmannnijaba: could not just point them at the tarball github produces?15:20
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dhellmann^could not^could we not15:20
uvirtbotdhellmann: Error: "could" is not a valid command.15:20
nijabadhellmann: if is clearly identifiable and durable, yes15:20
mordreddhellmann: no15:20
mordredthe tarball github produces is not a good tarball15:21
mordred(you guys are python, right?)15:21
dhellmannmordred: yes15:21
nijabawe are15:21
mordredsadly, the github tarballs are not python sdist tarballs15:21
mordredso they don't have metadata that's needed for the tarballs for fully-well interact with stuff like pip15:22
dhellmannok, so we have 2 things we have to do for the release15:22
dhellmann1. make the stable branch15:22
dhellmann2. set up the job to make the sdist tarball15:22
nijabaok, let's park this for now.  dhellmann, jd__ are you ok to followup on this in -infra right after the meeting?15:22
jd__3. be able to push to the stable branch15:22
dhellmannnijaba: yes15:22
dhellmannjd__: +115:23
jd__nijaba: I'm in15:23
nijaba#action dhellmann, jd__, nijaba to follow on infra fr our release reqs15:23
nijaba#topic nijaba to resfresh before sending email to the tc15:23
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nijabaThat was done and the email to the tc was sent.  Looking at the tc ml archive, it seems that the vote on incubation will not happen during the face to face meeting for lack of logging and supposed openess of the process.15:23
dhellmanndo we know when they are holding their next online meeting?15:24
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nijabait lists the in person meeting as the next meeting, next is tbd15:25
dhellmanncan anyone subscribe to that list?15:25
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nijaba"First regular TC meeting will happen the week after the Design Summit, time tbd at the inaugural meeting. "15:26
nijabadhellmann: I haven't tried, I just look at the achives now and then15:26
nijabaI guess that's it for this week's actions...15:27
nijaba#topic Release status15:27
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nijabagmb, the floor is yours15:27
gmbSorry, was getting pinged in another channel15:29
gmbAll the items on the RoadMap that are required for Folsom.0 / 0.1 are committed (thanks jd__ for taking care of that last bug). We're good to go.15:30
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gmbI would have targeted all the bugs to a 0.1 milestone15:30
gmbAs I said in my email last week15:30
nijabaanything blatently missing (we'll get to bugs in a minute)?15:30
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gmbBut Launchpad is being uncooperatve.15:30
gmbnijaba: Not AFAICT.15:30
nijabaanyone else?15:31
dhellmanndo we need to add a trove classifier to our indicating this is an alpha?15:31
dhellmannI don't know if any packaging tools other than pypi pay attention to that field15:31
nijabadhellmann: I do not think we need that15:32
dhellmannok, then I think we're ready15:32
dhellmannit looks like I7837e80940e7ee9622bdcd3b1f253d582f383d1a (current HEAD on github) would be a good place to branch for the release15:32
dhellmannoops, that's the change id not the commit id, I meant : f2aee4b75d07a5f4d8ecf381934452e2a8dc9a3d15:33
nijabadhellmann: almost. as I am going to propose one last change before release15:33
nijababut that in 2 topics from now15:33
* dhellmann moves to the edge of his seat15:33
nijaba#topic Outstanding bugs15:34
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nijabaso, do we have any outstanding bugs that we need to fix before release?15:34
nijabaI had a look and I can't find any...  what do you guys think?15:34
dhellmannmost of the open tickets are either wishlist, large, or small enough not to matter15:35
dhellmannI feel good about cutting things off where we are15:35
nijabaanyone against (or shutup until next release) ;)15:36
* eglynn is sad that didn't make it ...15:36
eglynnother than that, +115:36
dhellmanneglynn: I'll approve that right after the release is branched15:36
nijabaeglynn: I think that landed a bit too late in our "feature freeze"15:37
eglynndhellmann: cool15:37
eglynnnijaba: understood15:37
nijabaok, so we are good to go, but....15:37
nijaba#topic Naming convention for Meters15:37
*** openstack changes topic to "Naming convention for Meters (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)"15:37
nijabaseem like the remaining counters that we should rename15:37
nijabathey just stic out when looking at
dhellmannjd__, we talked about the disk names didn't we?15:38
nijabaWhat I would propose is that we always use dot as separators and go from least to most discriminent. Ie:15:38
nijabaand I would propose to do that before release15:38
dhellmannI don't know about floating.ip though, maybe just floatingip?15:38
jd__there's also "instance:flavor"15:38
jd__yes, floatingip15:39
dhellmanninstance flavors have dots, so maybe instance.flavor.m1.tiny etc?15:39
nijabasince it is a pain to change for people having it prod15:39
DanDone issue with the dotted notation is how it gets embedded in a REST API15:39
eglynn+1 to pre-release counter naming changes, much messier to do post-release15:39
* nijaba offers to propose the pacth15:39
jd__dhellmann: yeah why not15:39
jd__nijaba: thanks :)15:39
jd__DanD: think about a particular issie?15:39
dhellmannnijaba: can we keep the instance:flavor meter for now and add the new one? I already have code in production that depends on that15:39
dhellmannnijaba: we can leave it out of the documentation, and I will submit a patch to clean it up in a week or two15:40
nijabayes, I think this is a very particular case15:40
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nijabaI would be personally in favor to say that any variable name should be using a : before the var starts15:40
dhellmannwell, that's an idea15:41
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nijabaand therefore keep it that way15:41
* nijaba makes up grammar on the fly15:41
dhellmannok, I meant to use both meters and keep the old version just for backwards compatibility15:41
dhellmannbut using a special indicator that part of the name is a variable makes sense, too15:42
jd__yeah not a bad idea15:42
nijabaso the proposed rule is "always use dot as separators and go from least to most discriminent. when a part of the name is a variable, it shold always be at the end and starts with a ':'"15:42
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nijabawoud you like to vote on this?15:42
nijaba#startvote agree on meter convention? yes, no15:43
openstackBegin voting on: agree on meter convention? Valid vote options are yes, no.15:43
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.15:43
dhellmann#vote yes15:43
jd__#vote yes15:43
nijaba#vote yes15:43
spn__#vote yes15:44
eglynn#vote yes15:44
DanD#vote yes15:44
gmb#vote yes15:44
openstackVoted on "agree on meter convention?" Results are15:44
openstackyes (7): jd__, nijaba, eglynn, dhellmann, gmb, spn__, DanD15:44
nijabaok, great.  Patch will be done tonight to fix existing meters15:45
nijaba#action nijaba to patch existing meter name to follow rule15:45
nijaba#action nijaba to put the rule in the doc too15:45
* dhellmann was just about to suggest that15:45
nijabaok, so I guess that once this has landed, we should be able to release tomorrow15:46
eglynn(with some illustrative examples in docco, always good ...)15:46
nijabashould we have a release meeting tomorrow at 3M UTC to finalize?15:46
nijabain our regular chan15:46
spn__sounds good15:46
jd__we might want to merge too15:47
* jd__ sending last-minute-patches15:47
* nijaba discovers it15:47
dhellmannthat's the tool for putting data in the db to test the api, right?15:47
jd__3PM UTC is bad for me tomorrow15:47
jd__dhellmann: yes15:48
nijabajd__: later?15:48
dhellmannor earlier?15:48
nijabajd__: looks pretty acceptable for me.15:48
jd__I don't think I can after 14:00 UTC, so do it without me15:49
dhellmannthat tool wasn't really meant for end users, but we can commit it if the group feels it is important15:49
jd__dhellmann: i think it's good to have it working so people can try with fake data :)15:49
nijabadhellmann: for the same reasons I can't think why not to merge it15:49
dhellmannjd__: that makes sense15:50
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dhellmannnijaba: just being strict :-)15:50
jd__dhellmann: ERC! :)15:50
nijabaok, let's review it and merge it then...15:51
dhellmanndid we settle on a time for that meeting tomorrow?15:51
nijabaso, back on the release meeting then.  I can do 14UTC is jd__ is ok with that, busy the hour before though15:51
jtranoh snap, i accidentally prematurely approved that patch15:51
jtranwait, i guess i am 2nd reviewer.  so gtg15:52
nijabanp, thanks jtran15:52
dhellmann14UTC works for me15:52
spn__cool for me15:53
gmbWorks for me.15:53
nijabastill waiting for jd__15:53
jd__nijaba: 14:00 UTC is the time I leave, so… :)15:53
nijabaok, so we'll do it at 14UTC, but without jd__ :(15:54
jd__and french trains in the country don't have good network connectivities15:54
dhellmannjd__: you could email the list if you have anything you want us to address15:54
nijaba#agreed release meeting tomorrow @14UTC in #openstack-metering (no logs!)15:54
jd__dhellmann: sure, no prob15:54
nijabaok, let's move to the most important topic:15:55
nijaba#topic Open Discussion15:55
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dhellmannI can meet as early as 11UTC if we want to move it earlier15:55
eglynnjust a quick reminder that sdake floated the idea of a pre-summit meetup on Sunday evening at the conference hotel15:55
jtraneglynn: i'd be up for that15:56
dhellmanneglynn: yes, me, too15:56
jtrannot that i'm contributing anything :)15:56
nijabaeglynn: great idea, but I am already booked for that evening :(15:56
eglynnjtran, dellmann: cool15:56
dhellmannsome time that evening, around or after 18:00?15:56
nijababut feel free to do it without me15:56
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eglynnmy flight gets in at 18.15, so maybe a bit later?15:57
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dhellmanneglynn: sure, maybe drinks instead of dinner then?15:57
eglynndhellmann: sounds good15:57
jd__I've started a text/html render quickly for fun for ceilometer-api
nijabaeglynn or dhellmann: if you ca send me your cell #, I might be able to join you a bit later15:57
eglynnnijaba: will do15:57
nijabaeglynn: thanks15:58
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dhellmannnijaba: great15:58
nijabaAlmost running out of time. should we clse the meeting and go in -infra?15:59
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nijabathanks everyone!15:59
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jaypipesmorning QAers.17:00
jaypipes#startmeeting qa17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'qa'17:00
jaypipestorandu, davidkranz, donaldngo: hello!17:01
jaypipesdwalleck: hello!17:01
jaypipesso... our gate has been working well it seems...17:02
jaypipesjeblair set up a nightly job that runs the full suite, IIRC17:03
davidkranzjaypipes: Yes. I was going to push it to all projects but won't get to that until after the summit.17:03
dwalleckSorry, was away17:03
jaypipesno worries17:03
jaypipesdwalleck: so, see my latest email on the swift stuff?17:04
davidkranzOne concern about running the full gate on all projects is that it will get longer every time a new test is added.17:04
jaypipesjeblair: rock on brother. :) thx!17:04
dwalleckjaypipes: How latest? If it was less than an hour ago, no17:04
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davidkranzjeblair: What do you think a time limit for the full gate should be?17:05
dwalleckIf it was yesterday, I pushed my changes yesterday afternoon17:05
jaypipesdwalleck: ah, k.17:05
dwalleckright after you guys pinged me17:05
jaypipesdwalleck: yeah, I was out sick yesterday afternoon. so didn't notice it. will get right on it.17:06
jaypipesjeblair: looks like that periodic job is only running smoke tests in tempest... I think we wanted to run the whole suite?17:06
davidkranzjaypipes: Yes, and I had suggested running it multiple times in a row.17:07
jeblairdavidkranz: i don't have good data to say based on patch-throughput or another systemic basis; i'd say the main concern is developer tolerance for feedback delay.  for that, maybe an hour?17:08
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davidkranzjeblair: OK, so we are safe for a while.17:08
jeblairjaypipes, davidkranz: can you guys hack up that change then?17:08
jaypipesjeblair: we are well below that... I think it's about 700 seconds now17:08
jaypipesjeblair: yes17:08
jaypipesjeblair: I'll submit a patch to the openstack-ci-puppet stuff17:09
jeblairjaypipes: great17:09
davidkranzjeblair: At some point we might want to not run swift tests as a gate on nova checkins for example.17:09
jaypipesdavidkranz: ++17:09
davidkranzjaypipes: With the nightly run in place we can adjust the tradeoff between gating and the nightly build as approproate.17:10
davidkranzFor now, our problem is still not enough tempest tests :)17:10
jeblairdavidkranz: i see the desire, as long as we keep in mind it's an integration test designed to catch errors where projects interact.17:10
dwalleckjeblair: ++17:11
davidkranzjeblair: Right.17:11
jaypipesother than the swift stuff and a couple smaller reviews to do for dwalleck (compute cleanup) and torandu (floating IP assignment bug), the other review is from Rohit.17:11
jaypipeswe should probably give that a full review ASAP today or tomorrow17:11
jaypipes'since it's been around for a while and I don't want rohit to get discouraged.17:12
jaypipesit's tests for the live-migration functionality17:12
jaypipeswhich is a big deal and is a good addition IMHO17:12
dwalleckI thought Rohit's patch was pending his changes still17:12
dwalleckSame with torandu17:12
davidkranzjaypipes: I reviewed the live-migration17:12
jaypipesdoink, sorry, it's not rohit.17:12
jaypipesit's lakat17:13
davidkranzjeblair: Can you say why is stuck in its current state?17:13
davidkranzjeblair: That's the live migration.17:13
davidkranzjeblair: There were several reverify but nothing happend. No dependencies are listed.17:13
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jeblairdavidkranz: it's not in zuul's queue.  it may have slipped through a restart17:14
davidkranzjeblair: Hmm. How do we kick it?17:14
jeblairdavidkranz: i'm reverifying now, i'll see if it shows up or hits an error17:14
jaypipesjeblair: thx17:14
davidkranzjeblair: Great. Thanks.17:14
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jaypipesOK, davidkranz, anything you want to bring up regarding the QA track next week?17:15
davidkranzjaypipes: Not really. I will be happy if we make progress on configuration testing and bringing qa into the open.17:15
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jeblairoh, you want "recheck" not "reverify"17:16
davidkranzjaypipes: THey are related I think.17:16
jeblairit's running now.17:16
jaypipesjeblair: ah, thanks.17:16
davidkranzjeblair: What is the rule for  which to use>?17:16
davidkranzjeblair: reverify vs recheck17:16
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jaypipesdavidkranz: re: configuration testing, you are referring to testing different configurations of OpenStack clusters with Tempest? Or something else?17:16
jeblairrecheck runs the patch-upload tests, reverify runs the merge gate (and tries to merge)17:16
davidkranzjaypipes: Yes, what you said. THere are a few more details in the session description.17:17
jeblair(so reverify won't do anything if the change doesn't have +2 code review and +1 approved votes)17:17
davidkranzjaypipes: The other thing is that there is no scheduled time for a QA group meeting. We should probably set some unconference time for that.17:18
davidkranzjeblair: Got it.17:18
jaypipesdavidkranz: ++17:18
jaypipesdavidkranz: I'd really love to see a dicsussion on using DTest and/or PyVows as well.17:19
dwalleckdavidkranz: ++. I think all the sessions are really going to lead into a much larger discussion "where do we go from here" discussion17:19
davidkranzjaypipes: I think there is a session that is supposed to include that.17:19
dwalleckjaypipes: I wouldn't mind talking about PyVows. I should push what I've been tinkering with into my repo so it's actually visible17:20
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davidkranzjaypipes, dwalleck : How about Wednesday after lunch?17:20
davidkranzIt's probably better to meet after the QA sessoins.17:20
davidkranzWe can carve out more time on Thursday dynamically if we need it.17:21
jaypipesdavidkranz: works for me.17:21
davidkranzI will post something on the unconference board for Wed after lunch.17:22
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jaypipesdavidkranz, dwalleck: Also, one thing that we (AT&T) might be able to show is how we have set up our deployment testing in CI. i.e. Testing Chef cookbooks and automated deployment code in Jenkins.17:23
jaypipesmight be useful to see what we're doing to include that stuff in our testing plans17:23
davidkranzjaypipes: That would be great.17:23
davidkranzjaypipes: Is that related or comparable to smokestack in any way?17:23
jaypipesI know not everyone uses Chef, of course, but the way we're doing stuff is pretty interchangeable with Puppet or Juje17:24
dwalleckThat'd be great to see17:24
jaypipesdavidkranz: not comparable...17:24
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jaypipesdavidkranz: it tests/validates the actual Chef cookbooks (ChefSpec) as well as our Cobbler/IPMI autoconfiguration etc17:24
davidkranzjaypipes: If we got more volunteers for configuration testing is this something they might use?17:24
jaypipesdavidkranz: absolutly.17:25
davidkranzjaypipes: Cool.17:25
jaypipesabsolutly == Absolutely, Vodka-flavored.17:25
davidkranzjaypipes: I suggest you say a few words about it at the config testing session as well.17:25
jaypipesdavidkranz: will do! both me and Toanster17:25
jaypipesoops, torandu17:25
jaypipesOK, the only other topic I had was how we are currently not handling testing of stable/XXX branches well at all.17:26
jaypipesand I'm not sure about the priority of maintaining those stable/XXX branches at this point.17:26
davidkranzjaypipes: Well, we certainly need to maintain stable/folsom.17:27
dwalleckdavidkranz: ++. That would be a good start17:27
davidkranzI think there is already a daily build for the stable branches whose results are not looked at by any one.17:27
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jaypipesdavidkranz, dwalleck: By "we", who do you refer to? :)17:28
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jaypipesdavidkranz, dwalleck: My personal focus is on trunk -- I don't imagine I will have much time to focus on differences between stable releases (especially X - 2 and older)17:29
davidkranzjaypipes: By maintain I meant dealing with any fallout if a checkin to a stable/folsom project branch causes tempest to fail.17:29
davidkranzjaypipes: I don't think we should be backporting new tests as a main line activity.17:30
jaypipesdavidkranz: k17:30
dwalleckjaypipes: Whomever thinks its important. I think folks who are trying to stay with stable branches might find it difficult to do so without some type of testing. I also don't know how large of an audience that is17:30
davidkranzjaypipes: Though others of course are free to do so.17:30
jaypipesdavidkranz: much agreed about not backporting.17:30
davidkranzjaypipes: So what is the issue, then?17:31
davidkranzjaypipes: We are gating stable branches on stable tempest, right?17:32
jaypipesdavidkranz: oh, I was just thinking about Armando's recent merge request that we basically said "sorry, we're not really adding anything to stable tempest releases, only fixing things"17:32
davidkranzjaypipes: OK.17:33
jaypipesdavidkranz: wanted to make sure I wasn't smoking too much Thai stick when I responded that we weren't looking to accept *new* stuff to stable Tempest releases.17:33
davidkranzjaypipes: In that case I think we need a "stable tempest" "team" like there is for other projects.17:33
jaypipesdavidkranz: agreed, but I don't think I can take part in that team -- if I'm being honest... I just don't have the time.17:34
davidkranzjaypipes: I think we should allow people to backport tests to stable branches17:34
jaypipesdavidkranz: so perhaps it is worth making that team official at next week's summit and broadcasting the intent to maintain a team for stable releases to the broader community17:34
davidkranzjaypipes: As long as there is a way we don't have to review all of them.17:34
davidkranzjaypipes: ++17:34
jaypipesk. well, that is all the things I wanted to bring up today... anybody got anything else?17:35
dwallecknothing here, just heads down17:35
davidkranzjaypipes: Not for me.17:35
jaypipestorandu: ?17:35
toranduno. i've been following along. all sounds good17:36
davidkranzTo all going to the summit, see you there!17:36
davidkranzdavidkranz: Got to run now...17:36
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jaypipessee ya17:36
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