Thursday, 2012-12-27

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nijaba#startmeeting Ceilometer15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Dec 27 15:00:02 2012 UTC.  The chair is nijaba. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
nijaba#meetingtopic Ceilometer15:00
nijaba#chair nijaba15:00
nijaba#link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda15:00
nijabaATTENTION: please keep discussion focused on topic until we reach the open discussion topic15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)"15:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer'15:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)"15:00
openstackCurrent chairs: nijaba15:00
nijabaHello everyone! Show of hands, who is around for the ceilometer meeting?15:00
nijabao/15:00
dhellmanno/15:00
llu-laptopo/15:00
zehndton0/15:00
graflu0o/15:00
nijabanice.  I see a few new nicks.  welcome15:01
nijaba#topic actions from previous meeting15:01
*** openstack changes topic to "actions from previous meeting (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)"15:01
nijaba#topic nijaba to schedule v2 review for next meeting15:01
nijaba#info Done, see meeting agenda15:01
*** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to schedule v2 review for next meeting (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)"15:01
nijaba#topic nijaba to link API v2 proposal to appropriate bp15:01
nijaba#info done, I added the link to the whiteboard of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/api-server-pecan-wsme15:01
*** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to link API v2 proposal to appropriate bp (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)"15:01
nijaba#topic jd__ write a wiki page on how to participate to the bug squashing day15:01
nijaba#info done, see http://wiki.openstack.org/Ceilometer/Contributing and http://wiki.openstack.org/Ceilometer/BugSquashingDay/2013010415:01
*** openstack changes topic to "jd__ write a wiki page on how to participate to the bug squashing day (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)"15:01
nijabajd__: around?15:01
yjiang5o/15:02
nijabaI guess he'll come by later...15:02
nijaba#topic nijaba to organize new vote next week for meeting on Jan 2nd15:02
nijaba#info Done, see meeting agenda topic15:02
*** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to organize new vote next week for meeting on Jan 2nd (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)"15:02
nijaba#topic nijaba to approve synaps's bp15:02
nijaba#info done see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/synaps-integration which is the overarching bp15:02
*** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to approve synaps's bp (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)"15:02
nijaba#topic nijaba to organixe next thu as bp cleanup day15:03
nijaba#info lots of cleanup done, but see subsequent topic about remainder15:03
*** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to organixe next thu as bp cleanup day (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)"15:03
nijaba#topic nijaba to reschedule topic about healthmon for next week when lianhao is around15:03
nijaba#info Done, see meeting agenda topic15:03
*** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to reschedule topic about healthmon for next week when lianhao is around (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)"15:03
nijaba#topic dhellmann experiment with passing arrays of parameters to wsme for queries15:03
nijabadhellmann, have you made it back yet?15:03
*** openstack changes topic to "dhellmann experiment with passing arrays of parameters to wsme for queries (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)"15:03
dhellmannI've finally caught up with email, and have this task on my list for this week15:04
nijabashould you reassign the task to yourself for next meeting?15:04
dhellmannI did talk to Christophe about it, and he agrees that if it doesn't work the way I think, without the [], then it would be a good enhancement15:04
dhellmann#action dhellmann experiment with passing arrays of parameters to WSME for queries15:05
nijabagreat15:05
nijabathe few remaining actions are for jd__ whom does not seem to be around :(15:05
nijaba#topic  jd__ announce the bug squashing day on the ml15:05
*** openstack changes topic to "jd__ announce the bug squashing day on the ml (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)"15:05
nijabaI have not seen the announce, have you?15:06
llu-laptopI've seen it15:06
nijabaat least not on the ml15:06
dhellmannI think I saw a blog post15:06
llu-laptopI've seen it on the ml15:06
nijabaok, thanks #info done15:06
nijaba#info done15:06
dhellmannoh, yeah, it was on Dec 2415:06
nijaba#topic jd__ megatweet about the bug squashing day every hour15:06
nijaba#info Done, please RT :)15:06
*** openstack changes topic to "jd__ megatweet about the bug squashing day every hour (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)"15:06
nijabaI believe this was done, right?15:07
nijabaerr15:07
dhellmann#link https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack/msg19657.html15:07
nijaba#topic jd__ rename api to api-v2 and api-v1 to api15:07
nijabaI believe this was done, right?15:07
*** openstack changes topic to "jd__ rename api to api-v2 and api-v1 to api (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)"15:07
dhellmannyes15:07
dhellmannit's either done, or waiting for review, but I did see a changeset15:08
nijaba#info done15:08
jd__done15:08
nijabayeah, jd__ is here!!15:08
jd__always :-)15:08
jd__but not my IRC client :)15:08
nijabaThat's it for last week action, I think15:08
nijabatopic Meeting on Jan 2nd?15:09
nijabaSo, the question remaining is will there be enough people to have a meeting on Jan 2nd.15:09
nijabaasalkeld has already indicated that he should be available, what about others15:09
nijaba#startvote on january 2nd at 21UTC, I plan to be? present, absent15:09
openstackBegin voting on: on january 2nd at 21UTC, I plan to be? Valid vote options are present, absent.15:09
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.15:09
nijaba#vote absent15:09
yjiang5#vote absent15:09
llu-laptop#vote absent15:09
dhellmann#vote present15:09
zehndton#vote absent15:10
graflu0#vote absent15:10
nijabajd__: ?15:10
jd__#vote present15:11
nijaba#endvote15:11
openstackVoted on "on january 2nd at 21UTC, I plan to be?" Results are15:11
openstackabsent (5): yjiang5, nijaba, llu-laptop, graflu0, zehndton15:11
openstackpresent (2): jd__, dhellmann15:11
nijabaso we'll have at least 3 core devs present I think it is enough to hold a meeting15:12
nijabawho wants to chair?15:12
jd__I can do that15:12
nijaba#agree meeting on jan 2nd will be chaired by jd__15:12
nijabathanks jd__15:12
dhellmannthanks, jd__15:12
nijaba#topic Discuss heathmon/ceilometer duplication and differences http://wiki.openstack.org/Ceilometer/CeilometerAndHealthnmon15:12
*** openstack changes topic to "Discuss heathmon/ceilometer duplication and differences http://wiki.openstack.org/Ceilometer/CeilometerAndHealthnmon (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)"15:12
nijaballu-laptop: the floor is yours15:13
nijabareading your wiki page, it seemed to me that it is a good candidate to integration via multi-publisher15:14
llu-laptopthe question is how we want to integrate the effort of healthnmon/ceilometer, depends on the data models are quite different15:14
nijabaas theire data model is very different15:14
jd__from what I understood, as nijaba said, this is a use case for multi-publisher15:14
nijaballu-laptop: consumer through multi-publisher would seem more appropriate indeed15:14
dhellmannis the data being used in a way that we could eventually reproduce using our API?15:15
yjiang5nijaba:  agree, but possible for pyhsical device, we will need implement in ceilometer side, right?15:15
llu-laptopso this means we should put healthnmon's agent work(getting raw data) into ceilometer agent?15:15
dhellmannyjiang5: for physical device, do you mean bare-metal servers or hypervisors?15:15
nijaballu-laptop: thatś what I would propose15:15
yjiang5dhellmann: hypervisor side.15:16
dhellmannyjiang5: ok15:16
llu-laptopI think we should also consider the bare-metal servers15:16
dhellmannintegrating by moving data collection into the ceilometer agent and then having healthnmon receive the data through our publisher seems like a good first step15:16
nijabaso the proposal would be: a) implemented missing meters in ceilometer, b) integrate healthmon through multi-publisher ?15:17
dhellmannafter that, I would like to explore options for eliminating the need for separate storage, too (it isn't clear whether that is realistic)15:17
yjiang5I'm glad the multiple publisher patch will have 3rd  consumer :)15:17
jd__nijaba: likely15:17
jd__dhellmann: +115:17
dhellmannnijaba: agreed15:17
nijabadoes anyone disagree?15:17
nijaba#agree healthmon integration: a) implemented missing meters in ceilometer, b) integrate healthmon through multi-publisher15:18
dhellmannthe alerting features seem to have some overlap with the requirements for Heat, so there may be room to combine efforts there, too, as a third phase15:18
nijabadhellmann: right15:18
nijaballu-laptop: do you mind reporting the result on your wiki page?15:19
llu-laptopok. I'll do it15:19
dhellmannllu-laptop: would we need to add any information to what we currently publish to make the integration easier (or possible)?15:19
nijaba#action llu-laptop to report agreement result to wiki page http://wiki.openstack.org/Ceilometer/CeilometerAndHealthnmon15:19
dhellmannI mean metadata, not the meters we are not yet collecting15:20
nijabathanks llu-laptop, very nice analysis15:20
llu-laptopdhellmann, sorry I didn't understand your questions. what kind of metadata are you talking about?15:20
dhellmannllu-laptop: well, I'm not really sure :-) Something like a property of an instance or event that we ignore or just don't publish now.15:21
dhellmannsay we have an event that you're interested in, does it have all of the information about that event that you would need to populate your data model completely?15:21
dhellmannI guess that level of analysis may take more time, though, and be part of doing (b)15:22
llu-laptopWell, I think there is many libvirt information missing in ceilometer, compared to healthnmon,15:22
dhellmannok. we'll need to get a list of those items, eventually. maybe in the wiki page associated with the blueprint?15:23
yjiang5nijaba: I think llu-laptop himself is not healthnmon developer, so should we discuss the conclusion with healthnmon team?15:24
nijabayjiang5: yes, we now need some bp created and to identify someone to implent the plan15:24
llu-laptopok, I'll do a full detailed analysis of what needs to be got from underlying hypervisor to feed the 'greedy' healthnmon data sink. Of course, the healthnmon team's help would be greate15:24
nijabayjiang5: possibly someone from healthmon15:24
nijabaI would say that there is no point of doing this work without them...15:25
dhellmannah, I thought llu-laptop was on the healthnmon team. we definitely need them for full integration, but we could start on (a) without them, I think15:25
nijabaI can take the action of reaching to them with the result...15:26
nijabaand report what their plans are15:26
nijabaunless someone else wants to do it15:26
nijaba#action nijaba to get in touch with the healthmon team to see what their reaction is to our plan for integration15:27
nijabashall we move to the next topic?15:27
dhellmannep15:27
llu-laptopone more thing, about the physical monitoring15:27
dhellmanner, yep15:27
nijaballu-laptop: sure, go ahead15:27
llu-laptopthe healthnmon can only monitor the physical device where hypervisor runs, how about ohter physical device,15:28
llu-laptophttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/monitoring-physical-devices15:28
nijabaI don see any reason why we could not monotor other nodes15:28
llu-laptopDo we plan to have a unified way for the ceilometer agent to reporting such kind of data? or are we ok if we have duplications here15:29
dhellmannI'm not sure.15:29
nijabathe issue is how can it be linked to something that can be of use.15:29
dhellmannmonitoring that part of the infrastructure is already possible with so many other tools15:29
llu-laptopphysical server's data in healthnmon is got from underlying libvirt15:30
dhellmannI think we should stay focused on monitoring the cloud itself15:30
dhellmannwe care about the hypervisor servers for that, because the data can be used by the scheduler eventually15:30
nijabadhellmann: agreed, but we could have nodes which are bare metal instances15:30
dhellmannnijaba: bare-metal instances are a different story15:31
dhellmannthey are instances, and we should monitor them15:31
jd__I'm aware of work on power comsuption for cloud based on monitoring power usage of bare-metal hosting servers FWIW15:31
dhellmannbut nova api nodes, or glance servers, seem like they are covered elsewhere15:31
jd__I mean work based on Ceilometer infrastructure15:31
nijabajd__: outside of ceilometer, right?15:31
yjiang5jd__: I think host power comsumption is helpful even in hypervisor situation.15:32
nijabajd__: ah, I have not seen any bp on the subject15:32
jd__nijaba: providing Ceilometer pollster15:32
dhellmanninteresting15:32
jd__it's still at an early stage (prototype) but it's something that's planned to be done since Ceilometer is has a good infra for that15:33
nijabaneat.  we should invite those prototypers to join our meetings15:33
dhellmannthat's a good use case for making it easy to push data into ceilometer.15:33
dhellmann+115:33
jd__nijaba: yes, I'm trying hard to bring them into OpenStack :)15:33
nijabahehe, good!15:34
jd__it's working but it takes time :)15:34
nijabait does...15:34
nijabashall we move on15:34
nijaba?15:34
jd__I think so15:34
nijaba#topic API bv2 proposal review http://wiki.openstack.org/Ceilometer/blueprints/APIv215:35
*** openstack changes topic to "API bv2 proposal review http://wiki.openstack.org/Ceilometer/blueprints/APIv2 (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)"15:35
nijabadhellmann: have you had time to review this?15:35
dhellmannI don't think I've looked at the most recent incarnation15:35
dhellmannI did look at an early draft15:35
nijabaI have linked it to your pecan-wsme bp15:35
dhellmannI think the only concerns I had were with the variability of some of the output15:35
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dhellmannWSME really wants types to be statically defined for consistency, so making fields optional may make the returned data structure a bit ugly15:36
dhellmannI like the general direction, though, and agree that we should move some of the path components to query parameters15:36
nijabadhellmann: should you work on improving the current proposal for next meeting15:37
jd__yeah last time discussing with asalkeld the conclusion was we just need /meters, and query parameters15:37
nijaba?15:37
dhellmannit will make using and documenting the API a good bit simpler15:37
dhellmannnijaba: I think the action I had about experimenting with query parameters was related to this, too15:37
nijabasounds good15:37
nijabaI'll reschedule the topic for jan 2nd meeting then15:38
jd__sounds like a plan15:39
dhellmannagreed15:39
nijaba#action API v2 topic to be continued on jan 2nd15:39
nijaba#action nijaba API v2 topic to be continued on jan 2nd15:39
nijaba#topic blueprints cleanup15:39
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nijaba#info So I have spent most of the morning cleanup our bps.  You should have received notification if I changed a bp you are registered on.15:40
nijabaAny questions about the changes I made?15:40
jd__Not from what I received :)15:40
dhellmannnope15:41
yjiang5no15:41
nijaba#info The following bp are still needing more definition and an assignee or will otherwise be retargeted for H.15:41
nijaba#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/move-listener-framework-oslo15:41
nijaba#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/meter-post-api15:41
nijaba#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/non-libvirt-hw15:41
nijaba#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/rpc-zeromq15:41
nijaba#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/api-aggregate-average15:41
nijaba#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/remove-disabled-pollsters-option15:41
nijabaAny takers?  Feel free to email me, dhellmann or jd__ if you wish to be assigned to any of those15:41
jd__I'll take the last one15:42
jd__done.15:42
nijabajd__: thanks!15:42
dhellmannI took the first one15:42
dhellmannI thought I was already assigned there15:42
jd__great15:43
yjiang5Just notice that https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/meter-post-api , will it be similar to CW's publish_metric_data?15:43
nijabayjiang5: good question.  I was hoping to get some light on this from asalkeld15:43
yjiang5s/publish_metric_data/put_metric_data/15:44
nijababut I xould not reach him this morning15:44
yjiang5nijaba: this is created by jd__,15:44
jd__yjiang5: yes that's the idea15:44
llu-laptopThe new v2 api would have the aggregate-average? right?15:45
dhellmannllu-laptop: if someone signs up to implement it :-)15:45
nijaballu-laptop: if someone implements it15:45
nijabadhellmann: hehe15:45
jd__:)15:45
dhellmannthat was a bit scary15:45
llu-laptophow does the synaps do that?15:46
nijabaI think I may have someone at enovance that could eb interested in that one.  I'll chase him15:46
nijaba#action nijaba to find out if EmilienM wishes to commit on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/api-aggregate-average15:47
nijabaShould I send an email to the ml about the 3 remaining bp to see if we catch any commiters?15:49
jd__it can't hurt15:49
nijaba#action nijaba to send an email to openstack-dev listing the orphan bps15:49
dhellmannI'll bet eglynn is interested in non-libvirt-hw.15:49
nijabamaybe...15:50
nijaba#info Here is the list of bp that are going to be in Grizzly 2, only 2 are not yet completed.  I hope they will be before the end of next week15:50
nijaba#link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/grizzly-215:50
nijabaAny issues about those?15:50
nijabaremember g2 milestone is Jan 1015:51
dhellmannI'm not sure we'll have an official release of wsme by then to fix the bug on that list15:51
dhellmannis that issue mitigated by the change to make the v1 api the default again?15:52
nijabadhellmann: yes, but I don think that would block the release.  we could reassign the bug to g315:52
dhellmannok15:52
nijabareassigned to g315:53
nijabajd__: I think the 2 remaining bp are in your hands, right?15:53
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nijabajd__: confortable about them?15:53
jd__nijaba: yep15:53
nijabacool15:53
nijabaI think we are done with that topic then15:54
jd__don't know if gpernot will fix meters' unit implementation by then, so I may jump in and take over if needed15:54
nijabajd__: please do15:54
nijaba#topic Open discussion15:54
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dhellmanndidn't I see something about that already? was it just the bug/blueprint, or wasn't there a changeset?15:54
nijabadhellmann: a partial changeset15:55
dhellmannah, ok15:55
dhellmannI have 2 items to bring up15:55
dhellmannfirst, it seems like we're seeing more interest in the sqlalchemy storage driver15:55
nijabadhellmann: https://review.openstack.org/1841315:55
dhellmannhow comfortable are we that it's feature-complete? some people seem to want to make mysql the default...15:56
dhellmannIIRC, we've got some NotImplemented exceptions in a few places15:56
dhellmanndo we need to prioritize working on those?15:56
jd__dhellmann: I think we're not comfortable because we don't have tests on the abstraction layer above IIRC15:56
nijabadhellmann: should we look for those and open bugs if they are not there already?15:56
dhellmannnijaba: yes, I think so15:57
dhellmannjd__: have you had any time to think about how to implement those?15:57
nijabajd__: good point.  We should have tests for that15:57
jd__dhellmann: not at all, but I think it's something we should put on our priority list15:57
dhellmannjd__: I agree15:57
nijabafor g3 I would think, right?15:57
dhellmannyes, I was just going to suggest g315:57
jd__makes sense to me15:58
nijaba#action nijaba to add bp skeleton to remind ourselves to implement higher level tests for db backends15:58
dhellmannthere may already be a bug open, too15:58
dhellmannok, second item: we have a couple of "questions" open on launchpad15:59
nijabaIĺl look for it and reference it in the bp then15:59
dhellmann#link https://answers.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+questions?field.sort=recently+updated+first&field.actions.search=Search&field.status=Open&field.search_text=15:59
dhellmannis everyone else subscribed to see those when they come in?15:59
dhellmannsubscription isn't automatic, IIRC15:59
nijabadhellmann: hmmm,  I need to set a contact for this.  I guess it should point to the team, right?16:00
dhellmannif you can do that, that's a good idea16:00
dhellmannI subscribed myself individually16:00
nijabaceilometer-drivers?16:00
nijabaand core-devs16:00
dhellmannyeah, I think those make sense16:01
nijabadone16:01
dhellmannat least to ensure the questions get some attention16:01
nijabaright!!!16:01
dhellmannI'm not sure there are answers to the ones we have open now about installation dependencies16:01
nijabawhich should then be turned into bugs?16:02
dhellmannwell, the one about keystone client may be a bug somewhere, but it's hard to say16:02
dhellmannI'll ask for more details about what versions of things they are running on one server16:02
dhellmannthe other one about how to install just the agent depends on the OS packagers, doesn't it?16:03
nijabait does16:03
dhellmannwe're not currently packaging the agent separately, but we have instructions for starting it separately16:03
nijabayep16:03
dhellmannok, I can answer that way then16:03
nijabathanks16:03
jd__dhellmann: yeah the keystonclient version problem is typically some old version of glanceclient or the like that requires old keystoneclient version…16:03
dhellmannjd__: ugh, yeah16:04
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dhellmannthat's all I had16:05
nijabaok, great16:06
nijabathank you all for another great meeting!16:06
nijaba#endmeeting16:06
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