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| nijaba | #startmeeting Ceilometer | 15:00 |
| nijaba | #meetingtopic Ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 10 15:00:05 2013 UTC. The chair is nijaba. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| nijaba | #chair nijaba | 15:00 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 15:00 |
| nijaba | ATTENTION: please keep discussion focused on topic until we reach the open discussion topic | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Current chairs: nijaba | 15:00 |
| nijaba | Hello everyone! Show of hands, who is around for the ceilometer meeting? | 15:00 |
| nijaba | o/ | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:00 |
| n0ano | o/ | 15:00 |
| eglynn | o/ | 15:00 |
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| gpernot | o/ | 15:00 |
| nijaba | jd__: around? | 15:00 |
| jd__ | nijaba: yes | 15:01 |
| jd__ | totally missed the time! | 15:01 |
| nijaba | #topic actions from previous meeting | 15:01 |
| nijaba | #topic llu to report agreement result to wiki page | 15:01 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Ceilometer/CeilometerAndHealthnmon | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from previous meeting (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
| *** openstack changes topic to "llu to report agreement result to wiki page (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
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| nijaba | llu-laptop: anything to report? | 15:01 |
| llu-laptop | i've put the plan in the wiki | 15:01 |
| nijaba | nice! thank you | 15:01 |
| nijaba | #topic nijaba to get in touch with the healthmon team to see what their reaction is to our plan for integration | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to get in touch with the healthmon team to see what their reaction is to our plan for integration (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:02 | |
| nijaba | I have not done much on this, but maybe now in overlap with llu-laptopś work? | 15:02 |
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| yjiang5_home | o/ | 15:02 |
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| llu-laptop | i havn't got in touch with the Healthnmon guy | 15:03 |
| nijaba | ok, so I'll re-action myself on this | 15:03 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to get in touch with the healthmon team to see what their reaction is to our plan for integration | 15:03 |
| nijaba | #topic nijaba to find out if EmilienM wishes to commit on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/api-aggregate-average | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to find out if EmilienM wishes to commit on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/api-aggregate-average (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:03 | |
| nijaba | Emilien is a bit shy about his python skills. We may need to find someone else... | 15:03 |
| Barath_ | Self and divakar from Health and Mon have joined the IRC | 15:03 |
| nijaba | Barath_: welcome! | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: the v2 api implementation asalkeld started includes this | 15:04 |
| nijaba | it does? cool!! | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | yeah, he went ahead with the new statistics endpoint that calculates all of that stuff at the same time | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | very slick | 15:04 |
| nijaba | should I make this bp as a dep of the v2 api work then? | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | yes, let's do that | 15:05 |
| nijaba | #info already implemented in v2 api | 15:05 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to mak this bp as a dep for v2 api | 15:06 |
| nijaba | #topic nijaba to send an email to openstack-dev listing the orphan bps | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to send an email to openstack-dev listing the orphan bps (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:06 | |
| nijaba | I just did this | 15:06 |
| nijaba | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-January/004398.html | 15:06 |
| nijaba | #topic nijaba to add bp skeleton to remind ourselves to implement higher level tests for db backends | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to add bp skeleton to remind ourselves to implement higher level tests for db backends (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:06 | |
| nijaba | this was done | 15:06 |
| nijaba | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/test-db-backends | 15:06 |
| nijaba | That's it for last week action | 15:07 |
| nijaba | #topic G2 release status | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "G2 release status (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:07 | |
| nijaba | We have 2 release critical bugs we need to fix urgently as ttx is trying to cut the release today | 15:07 |
| nijaba | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1098204 | 15:07 |
| nijaba | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1098206 | 15:07 |
| nijaba | We need a plan and keep ttx in the loop | 15:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1098204 in ceilometer "API ACL authentication is broken" [Critical,Confirmed] | 15:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1098206 in ceilometer "policy.json is never found" [Critical,Confirmed] | 15:07 |
| ttx | s/release/milestone but yes | 15:07 |
| nijaba | jd__: are you working on fixes? | 15:07 |
| jd__ | I'm right now | 15:07 |
| nijaba | jd__: any eta? | 15:08 |
| jd__ | should be ok by the end of the day | 15:08 |
| ttx | you'll need to land them in master then proposed backport for milestone-proposed | 15:08 |
| jd__ | ttx: that's what I though | 15:08 |
| ttx | http://wiki.openstack.org/GerritJenkinsGithub#Submit_Changes_in_master_to_milestone-proposed | 15:08 |
| jd__ | the first one already have a fix to review | 15:08 |
| jd__ | ttx: what's the ultimate deadline? | 15:09 |
| ttx | no deadline, you're in incubation. We can do it tomorrow morning EU time | 15:09 |
| jd__ | ok great | 15:10 |
| nijaba | So, it is normally not customary to produce release notes for milestone | 15:10 |
| jd__ | the fixes will be there before, but I'd like to test them IRL to be sure if there's enough time :) | 15:10 |
| ttx | nijaba: i used to do blogposts to highlight features landed in a milestone | 15:10 |
| nijaba | however, since we decided earlier that this would be a folsom comptible milestone, it might still be good to announce it a bit | 15:10 |
| ttx | less "official" | 15:10 |
| nijaba | I can do it, if noone objects | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | a blog post sounds like a good idea | 15:11 |
| eglynn | yep | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 15:11 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to prepare a blogpost announcing the release | 15:11 |
| nijaba | s/releae/milestone | 15:11 |
| nijaba | anyhting else regarding the release? | 15:12 |
| nijaba | err milestone!!! | 15:12 |
| nijaba | I'll get it right someday.... | 15:12 |
| nijaba | I guess that's a no | 15:12 |
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| dhellmann | nothing from me | 15:12 |
| nijaba | #topic Discussion about meters unit's in /meters | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion about meters unit's in /meters (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:12 | |
| jd__ | 2 critical bugs is enough for me | 15:12 |
| nijaba | There is a review in the pipe for providing meter's unit in /meter | 15:13 |
| nijaba | #link https://review.openstack.org/18413 | 15:13 |
| nijaba | it would be nice if we could settle on this... | 15:13 |
| nijaba | jd__: I imagine. thnaks for thaking care of those! | 15:13 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: eglynn: gpernot: the floor is yours | 15:13 |
| nijaba | (others too, but those are the one that started the discussion) | 15:13 |
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| dhellmann | I don't have a strong opinion. I sort of like having a unique unit name, but see the point of being consistent, too. | 15:14 |
| jd__ | I don't have much to add, I've +2'ed, for me this is good enough :) | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | If eglynn hadn't objected, I think I would have approved the code. | 15:14 |
| eglynn | my preference would be not to proliferate the unit types for the 'count'-style meters | 15:14 |
| eglynn | but not strong enough objection to -1 or -2 the patch | 15:14 |
| nijaba | eglynn: I see some value in providing some understanding of what is counted for gauges | 15:15 |
| eglynn | nijaba: my thought was that this understanding was already encapsulated in the meter name | 15:16 |
| nijaba | eglynn: what about using a coming "gauge:" prefix | 15:16 |
| eglynn | nijaba: as in, guage:images or gauge:packets? | 15:16 |
| nijaba | eglynn: ie "gauge:instances" | 15:17 |
| jd__ | why that? | 15:17 |
| nijaba | eglynn: yes | 15:17 |
| eglynn | nijaba: I'm not sure that would really improve matters much | 15:17 |
| nijaba | jd__: to simplofy machine processing of units, normalizing is useful | 15:17 |
| jd__ | unit is totally unrelated to the type of measure | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | IIRC, all of the units in dispute were for the things we were counting, right? | 15:17 |
| nijaba | yep | 15:18 |
| eglynn | nijaba: there being no scaling factor for these gauges, the unit is always going to be a bit redundant | 15:18 |
| jd__ | counting the fact the the weather is +2 Celcius degree (delta) or 24 C (gauge) doesn't change the unit :) | 15:18 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: yep | 15:18 |
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| nijaba | jd__: point taken | 15:18 |
| nijaba | so, what should we do? | 15:19 |
| jd__ | the point of using 'instance' and 'container' rather than None is that you can know that you can't compare or add these two things because it has no sense (apples and bananas) | 15:19 |
| eglynn | jd__: can we compare/sum over different meters anyway? | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | I've seen other systems use "each" as a unit for counted things, where the thing is described elsewhere | 15:19 |
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| eglynn | CW uses 'Count' and 'Count/second' | 15:20 |
| jd__ | eglynn: nothing stops you to do that, and it's simpler if you know the unit (you can check what you're doing) | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: that's a good word, too | 15:20 |
| eglynn | jd__: so you could say sum over image.download and image.serve? | 15:21 |
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| eglynn | jd__: (both with unit=images in that patch IIRC) | 15:21 |
| yjiang5_home | nijaba: I'd suggest to extend this patch to g3, considering this is in fact part of the API, or we can change this in future without backward compatibility? | 15:21 |
| jd__ | eglynn: sounds like a good example, if you want to charge for both for example or aggregate for stats :) | 15:21 |
| nijaba | yjiang5_home: it has already been moved to g3 | 15:21 |
| yjiang5_home | :) | 15:22 |
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| eglynn | jd__: OK, I didn't realize you could do that ... | 15:22 |
| jd__ | eglynn: but if you know the unit, you can makes the API raises an error because unit are != if you're trying to add image.serve and swift container :) | 15:22 |
| gpernot | jd__: i don't like using the unit for validation | 15:23 |
| jd__ | gpernot: you prefer to return wrong values? | 15:23 |
| eglynn | jd__: OK, that's one decent justification for this approach | 15:23 |
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| gpernot | network.outgoing, may have 2 counters with same unis, counting different things... | 15:23 |
| jd__ | eglynn: thanks :) | 15:23 |
| jd__ | gpernot: then you can select the unit you want, no? | 15:23 |
| eglynn | smart validation would also need to take into account scaling conversion | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | I think we need to require that a given meter is always measured in the same units from all data sources | 15:24 |
| eglynn | e.g. Kb + Mb OK, Kb + bananas not OK | 15:24 |
| jd__ | eglynn: yes, but I think we agreed to keep SI unit (meaning second, and not ns) that means the pollster needs to convert to SI if needed | 15:24 |
| eglynn | jd__: CPU time is already in ns IIRC | 15:24 |
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| gpernot | dhellmann: +1 | 15:24 |
| jd__ | eglynn: yes, actually I think it's better to say 'B' and not 'KB' or 'MB' | 15:25 |
| jd__ | eglynn: I know, that should be considered as a bug IMHO | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | exactly, we should be recording the data in the smallest unit we have availble, and let the API caller convert to something else if they want | 15:25 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: what would be the reason? | 15:25 |
| eglynn | AFAIK in CW if you ask for a bytes metric in Gb say, it'll do the conversion before returning | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | jd__: simplicity of our implementation | 15:25 |
| gpernot | jd__:ease of use for client apps ? | 15:25 |
| nijaba | jd__: granularity | 15:25 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: I think all unit have decimal, so smallest isn't a good criteria, SI is much better I think :) | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | jd__: I mean if we have access to ns, we should store and use that, rather than seconds | 15:26 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: oh sure! | 15:26 |
| jd__ | nobody will suggest to drop information :) | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | and we should only return values to the caller in the units we have them in, no conversions | 15:26 |
| eglynn | no rounding basically, right? | 15:26 |
| gpernot | eglynn:sure | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | the API implementation shouldn't even be worried about units. it has numbers and it does math on them, that's it. | 15:27 |
| eglynn | no conversion => so if I ask for the sum of a meter in Kb and another in Gb, that's an error? | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | the units are provided as a convenience for the api user | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: I don't think we want to provide a way for the API user to specify the units they want at all. | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | they'll take what we give them, and be happy! :-) | 15:28 |
| eglynn | lol | 15:28 |
| jd__ | lol | 15:28 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: all meters should be in bytes, so what you describe will raise an error ultimately yes | 15:28 |
| eglynn | but if one meter stored as Gb and another as Kb, these could be summable, or? | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: there is not currently an API for computing values across meters | 15:28 |
| * nijaba votes for using uk royal units | 15:28 | |
| * nijaba runs | 15:28 | |
| dhellmann | and I don't think we need one | 15:29 |
| * jd__ shots nijaba | 15:29 | |
| eglynn | dhellmann: I thought jd__ said that is currently supported? | 15:29 |
| eglynn | (cross-meter aggregation) | 15:29 |
| eglynn | IIUC | 15:29 |
| jd__ | I don't know if it is in v2, it may be? | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | he's suggesting that we do it, but we do not now and I don't think it's necessary | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | no, the meter specification in the v2 api is one at a time | 15:30 |
| jd__ | I don't know if it's necessary but I don't want to close doors too soon | 15:30 |
| eglynn | a-ha, OK ... that seemed like the best argument for needing the specific unit for the counts | 15:30 |
| jd__ | especially if it's quite cheap to keep them open for later | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | jd__: the problem is, as we've shown in this discussion, it's not cheap | 15:30 |
| jd__ | considering how the scope of the project is elarging :) | 15:30 |
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| dhellmann | you have to know a lot more about the meter, and whether the measurements can be combined | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | that's info the caller will have implicitly, but we would need to make explicit | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | that complicates our implementations, especially the storage backend that is doing all of the actual work | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | if we let the caller do it, they just have to make 2 calls | 15:31 |
| eglynn | true that, adding network I/O requests makes sense, adding network and disk requests less so ... | 15:31 |
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| dhellmann | right | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | the API is still mostly about metering, afaict | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | the | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | m | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | the new monitoring stuff is going to go through the new publishing pipelines, right? | 15:32 |
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| eglynn | yep | 15:32 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: +1. multi-publisher will imply othe api access | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | for billing you want to list line-items anyway | 15:33 |
| jd__ | until someone wants to build a monitoring stuff on top of ceilometer-api | 15:33 |
| jd__ | :) | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | so even if you charge for network and disk i/o, you want those pulled out | 15:33 |
| nijaba | jd__: which would not make sense | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | jd__: polling that API isn't going to be a good way to monitor :-) | 15:33 |
| jd__ | by monitor, I mean things like graphing | 15:34 |
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| eglynn | bringing it back to units, asalkeld made a good point about describing the units somewhere | 15:34 |
| eglynn | (on gerrit) | 15:34 |
| eglynn | using the SNMP MIB as an example | 15:34 |
| eglynn | do we need something of that ilk? | 15:34 |
| eglynn | i.e. to make it clear that B = 'bytes' | 15:34 |
| eglynn | etc. | 15:35 |
| jd__ | MIB implies machine-parsable, right? | 15:35 |
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| eglynn | I think so | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | we have it documented, do we need a machine-parsable version? | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | how would it help to provide a mapping between "B" and "bytes"? | 15:35 |
| jd__ | I don't see a use case | 15:35 |
| eglynn | yeah, docco probably suffices | 15:35 |
| eglynn | so if I need to start counting something new, the process would be | 15:36 |
| eglynn | add the meter with a newly invented unit | 15:36 |
| eglynn | and step 2, update the docco | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | we could, eventually, generate that list of meters and units from the plugins when we build the docs | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | we would need to expand the API for the plugins a bit, but not in complicated ways | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | but yes, for now, it's 2 steps | 15:37 |
| eglynn | k, seems reasonable as long as we follow that convention | 15:37 |
| jd__ | fine with me too :) | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | so to clarify, does that mean we agreed to use unique units for counting, instead of "count"? | 15:38 |
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| eglynn | yep, grugingly ;) | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | ok :-) | 15:38 |
| eglynn | so lets get 18413 landed, could we sneak it in for g-2 at this late stage? | 15:39 |
| eglynn | or OK just retargeting to g-3? | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | the other thing I wasn't sure about with that change was having the units included in every counter | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: I think it has already been retargeted, no? | 15:39 |
| eglynn | a-ha, yes it was ... | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | including the units in the counter means there isn't a need to explicitly declare a meter before something starts publishing data to it. that seems appealing, but is that what we want? | 15:40 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: that also buys you the ability to change unit in time or to know that unit changed | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | jd__: right, that gets back to my earlier point: we don't want the units being changed | 15:41 |
| yjiang5_home | dhellmann: in fact, there is a user requireed in IRC to know all meter information before the counter published | 15:41 |
| eglynn | jd__: shouldn't the unit really be immutable? | 15:41 |
| jd__ | ok but the fact is that there's no check anywhere that the unit is always the same | 15:41 |
| jd__ | so an external probe can send counters and suddently change units | 15:42 |
| jd__ | nothing indicates it's a problem | 15:42 |
| eglynn | but changing it would surely break the aggregation logic? | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | jd__: yes, so we have to document that restriction | 15:42 |
| nijaba | eglynn: for sure | 15:42 |
| jd__ | eglynn: if it specifies different unit, why should it be broken? | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | it shouldn't be an issue in practice | 15:42 |
| eglynn | jd__: can't add say bytes and seconds | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | can we say, for the grizzly release, that we're not going to deal with changing units at all? we have enough other things to do | 15:43 |
| jd__ | I agree that there's 3 different ways to fix this: 1. write in the doc that this will break your installation 2. check at record time that the unit is always the same 3. handle it correctly when doing computing and request in the API | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | if we want to start getting fancy with error detection or even unit conversion, we can discuss those things for H? | 15:43 |
| nijaba | ok, I think we have settled on using names for units instead of count or each. right? Then we can thave another meeting about the unti policy, which the patch in review does not depend on? | 15:43 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: that sounds like option 1, fine with me :) | 15:44 |
| eglynn | yep agreed, punt to H, stick to #1 for now | 15:44 |
| jd__ | nijaba: yes | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | jd__: cool | 15:44 |
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| yjiang5_home | depends on doc is always not so good IMHO. | 15:44 |
| jd__ | yjiang5_home: I'd prefer option 3 too, but we can start with option 1 anyway :) | 15:44 |
| yjiang5_home | jd__: why not 2? | 15:44 |
| jd__ | it's better than nothing | 15:45 |
| jd__ | yjiang5_home: likely because I like to do complicated things :-)) | 15:45 |
| yjiang5_home | hehe :) | 15:45 |
| nijaba | we need to move on | 15:45 |
| * dhellmann nods | 15:45 | |
| nijaba | #agreed use name of for units that provide counts, instead of count or each | 15:45 |
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| yjiang5_home | jd__: I have a question to the keystone bug. Is it caused by keystoneclient change in last minutes for g2 milestone, or because we didn't catch it in our test? | 15:46 |
| nijaba | #action nijaba to start a thread on ml about unit policy | 15:46 |
| nijaba | #topic Ceilometer and Healthmon | 15:46 |
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| jd__ | yjiang5_home: let me answer on #openstack-metering | 15:46 |
| yjiang5_home | jd__: sure. | 15:46 |
| llu-laptop | I saw Barath_ online | 15:47 |
| nijaba | llu-laptop: looks like he dropped off | 15:47 |
| nijaba | divakar too | 15:47 |
| nijaba | :( | 15:47 |
| nijaba | so I guess we are back to my action to get in touch with them to see if they agree on llu-laptop plan? | 15:48 |
| llu-laptop | Barath_ just pinged me to give me their email address and want to talk about that in email. | 15:48 |
| nijaba | llu-laptop: sounds good. do you want to start the discussion, putting the ml in cc? | 15:48 |
| llu-laptop | yes. I'll drop them the mail and cc the ml. | 15:49 |
| nijaba | llu-laptop: thanks a lot! | 15:50 |
| nijaba | #agreed llu-laptop to initiate conversation with healthmon | 15:50 |
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| nijaba | #topic Bugshashing day retrospective. what worked, what didn't, what we should consider doing differently next time ... etc. | 15:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugshashing day retrospective. what worked, what didn't, what we should consider doing differently next time ... etc. (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:50 | |
| nijaba | as I was not there, I do not have much to say | 15:51 |
| nijaba | jd__: ? | 15:51 |
| jd__ | yeah, I think we did quite a good job to fix some bugs | 15:51 |
| eglynn | one thing asalkeld mentioned before was that the choice of day was bad for APAC contributions | 15:51 |
| jd__ | but I didn't see anyone from outside the project | 15:51 |
| eglynn | i.e. Friday bleeds into their w/e | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | yeah, maybe next time we can pick a Tuesday or Wednesday | 15:51 |
| jd__ | eglynn: ah good to know indeed, didn't think about that | 15:51 |
| eglynn | so next time I think a Tuesday or Wednesday would be better | 15:51 |
| eglynn | yep | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | jd__: no, I didn't either | 15:52 |
| eglynn | agree with jd__ that the lack of randomers disappointing | 15:52 |
| nijaba | jan 4th did not help much for randommer | 15:53 |
| jd__ | some stats are still online at http://www.naquadah.org/~jd/bugdaystats/output/ceilometer.html FTR | 15:53 |
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| eglynn | maybe we need to seed the backlog with some more juicy/tempting/interesting-looking bugs next time | 15:53 |
| dhellmann | so we didn't gain new contributors, but we did fix bugs and learned about how to run one of these things | 15:53 |
| dhellmann | I count that as at least a partial success :-) | 15:53 |
| eglynn | yep agreed | 15:53 |
| eglynn | lets do it again before g3 | 15:53 |
| jd__ | sure :) | 15:53 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 15:54 |
| eglynn | maybe with a longer lead-in time | 15:54 |
| dhellmann | and not next to a holiday | 15:54 |
| dhellmann | or weekend | 15:54 |
| nijaba | should we poikc the date now? | 15:54 |
| jd__ | why not | 15:54 |
| dhellmann | sure, when is the g3 date again? | 15:55 |
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| nijaba | G3 is Feb 21st | 15:55 |
| * eglynn has jury duty the week of Feb 11th | 15:55 | |
| nijaba | so a week before that is feb 11th. | 15:55 |
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| nijaba | which would put eglynn out | 15:55 |
| eglynn | yep | 15:55 |
| dhellmann | what about the week before that, then? | 15:56 |
| eglynn | works for me | 15:56 |
| dhellmann | is that too soon? | 15:56 |
| nijaba | but then feb 3rd is really close | 15:56 |
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| nijaba | 3 weeks away | 15:56 |
| eglynn | yeah, that's a point | 15:56 |
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| dhellmann | the 7th would be 2 weeks before the g3 deadline | 15:56 |
| nijaba | and eglynn as a LOT of bp to do | 15:56 |
| eglynn | actually I can prolly join in after GMT EoD during the week of the 11th | 15:57 |
| dhellmann | maybe we should wait until after g3 then? do something before the release? | 15:57 |
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| eglynn | that would work too | 15:57 |
| eglynn | during the pre-final stabilization period | 15:57 |
| dhellmann | we are supposed to be done with features by then, right? so fixing bugs makes sense. | 15:58 |
| eglynn | exactly | 15:58 |
| nijaba | right | 15:58 |
| nijaba | March 7 then? | 15:58 |
| nijaba | RC start on march 14th | 15:58 |
| jd__ | I'll be on vacation from 6th to 17th March | 15:59 |
| dhellmann | I'll be at PyCon US from 12-18th | 15:59 |
| jd__ | nijaba: otherwise, doodle? :) | 15:59 |
| eglynn | would March 5th work? | 15:59 |
| eglynn | (for jd__) | 16:00 |
| nijaba | march 5th seeems good | 16:00 |
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| jd__ | fine with me | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | sure | 16:00 |
| eglynn | cool | 16:00 |
| nijaba | #agreed next bug squashing day on march 5th! | 16:00 |
| nijaba | #topic Open Discussion | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 16:01 | |
| nijaba | any quick topics as we are already past the hour? | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | nothing here | 16:01 |
| yjiang5_home | no | 16:01 |
| eglynn | nowt from me | 16:01 |
| llu-laptop | no | 16:01 |
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| jd__ | nop | 16:02 |
| egallen | Any specs for meter-post-api ? | 16:02 |
| nijaba | great. So thanks again for a great meeting everyone. See you next week on wednesday at 21UTC | 16:02 |
| jd__ | egallen: not yet | 16:02 |
| nijaba | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 10 16:02:42 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-01-10-15.00.html | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-01-10-15.00.txt | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-01-10-15.00.log.html | 16:02 |
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| YehiaBeyh | has the Ceilometer meeting started- or did I miss it and it just ended? | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | YehiaBeyh: it just ended ;-( | 16:03 |
| jd__ | it just ended YehiaBeyh | 16:03 |
| nijaba | YehiaBeyh: just ended | 16:03 |
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| YehiaBeyh | I thought it starts at 11EST (1600 UTC) | 16:04 |
| jd__ | YehiaBeyh: anyway feel free to join #openstack-metering to chat | 16:04 |
| jd__ | YehiaBeyh: 1500 UTC actually | 16:04 |
| YehiaBeyh | I just had one question regarding the healthnmon action | 16:04 |
| YehiaBeyh | nijaba to get in touch with the healthmon team to see what their reaction is to our plan for integration | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | I think someone else will be wanting this room shortly. Join us in #openstack-metering? | 16:05 |
| YehiaBeyh | ok - thx | 16:05 |
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| jaypipes | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 10 17:00:14 2013 UTC. The chair is jaypipes. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| jaypipes | welcome all. | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | jaypipes: hi | 17:00 |
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| ravikumar_hp | jaypipes:hi | 17:00 |
| jaypipes | mlavalle: hi miguel | 17:00 |
| mlavalle | Hi everybody | 17:00 |
| zyluo | hi | 17:00 |
| jaypipes | zyluo: hi! | 17:01 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: around? | 17:01 |
| jaypipes | sdague: ? | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | jaypipes: sdague can't make it today | 17:01 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Here. | 17:01 |
| jaypipes | kk | 17:01 |
| * jaypipes would like to thanks everyone, including ravikumar_hp and mtreinish for closing out bugs and updating blueprint statuses. very helpful. | 17:02 | |
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| jaypipes | unfortunately, we struggled yesterday diagnosing (but I think now fixed) issues with transient failures | 17:02 |
| jaypipes | those failures seem to be cleared up now, and jenkins is straining with a big backlog of full tempest runs to complete. | 17:03 |
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| jaypipes | #topic open reviews | 17:03 |
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| jaypipes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest,n,z | 17:03 |
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| jaypipes | ravikumar_hp: wanna give a quick status on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18775/ ? | 17:04 |
| ravikumar_hp | just one more review/approval is needed | 17:04 |
| ravikumar_hp | it looks good. can you approve | 17:05 |
| ravikumar_hp | jaypipes: | 17:05 |
| ravikumar_hp | all review feedback incorporated. and Jenkins also ran fine | 17:05 |
| jaypipes | ok, will do a final review on that shortly... | 17:06 |
| jaypipes | ravikumar_hp: thx | 17:06 |
| jaypipes | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/19033/ is still being discussed on the mailing list and with lifeless | 17:06 |
| jaypipes | zyluo: how are we on reconciling all the quantum tempest efforts? | 17:08 |
| zyluo | yeah we have to sync up today | 17:08 |
| jaypipes | zyluo: you and maru? | 17:09 |
| zyluo | so well work together on the two BPs and when things get sorted out I'll send out a mail | 17:09 |
| zyluo | mlavalle, | 17:09 |
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| mlavalle | jaypipes: I sent an email earlier this week with an inventory of Quantum BP's | 17:09 |
| zyluo | didn't get to talk with maru yet | 17:09 |
| ravikumar_hp | jaypipes: are we going to include quantum tests nightly/gated tests? | 17:09 |
| jaypipes | mlavalle: indeed, sorry I have not had a chance to respond :( | 17:10 |
| mlavalle | jaypipes: I think it is close to be comprehensive | 17:10 |
| jaypipes | ravikumar_hp: I'd like to ASAP. | 17:10 |
| jaypipes | ravikumar_hp: they are run as non-voting jobs already, but only quantum smoke tests... | 17:10 |
| ravikumar_hp | jaypipes: thanks | 17:11 |
| mlavalle | ravikumar_hp: please respond to my email with the BP's you have, so we complete the inventory | 17:11 |
| ravikumar_hp | mlavalle: sure. will check | 17:12 |
| clarkb | jaypipes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/19154/ is ready when everyone else is | 17:12 |
| jaypipes | clarkb: cool, thx :) | 17:12 |
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| mlavalle | clarkb: I'll include this in the Quantum inventory | 17:13 |
| jaypipes | alright folks, everyone please try to do as many reviews as you can on the remaining outstanding reviews, and mark "recheck" for stuff that seems to be stuck on unrelated failures. | 17:14 |
| jaypipes | I'll try to do my best to get through reviews today, but I'm stuck in lots of meetings (starting soon) | 17:14 |
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| jaypipes | unless anyone objects, I'd like to wrap up this week early, so if anyone has particular topics to discuss, please do bring them up now. | 17:15 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I will get to some reviews. | 17:15 |
| ravikumar_hp | jaypipes: i have one topic | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | jaypipes: I've got a quick update on coverage reports | 17:15 |
| ravikumar_hp | writing negative tests | 17:16 |
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| jaypipes | in order, mtreinish please update, then ravikumar_hp | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | ok, https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/periodic-tempest-devstack-coverage-vm-full/ the daily jobs are running now. (but failing on an import error) | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | once that error gets sorted out we'll have daily full tempest runs with coverage reports | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | they get put in the logs directory for the run | 17:17 |
| jaypipes | very nice. | 17:18 |
| jaypipes | looking forward to this. | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | jaypipes: yeah so am I, its been a long time coming | 17:19 |
| jaypipes | ravikumar_hp: ? | 17:19 |
| ravikumar_hp | jaypipes: We wanted to parameterize rather than writing negative/boundary tests using some tool . Any update? | 17:19 |
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| jaypipes | ravikumar_hp: no, it's slipped and slipped. | 17:20 |
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| ravikumar_hp | jaypipes: ok | 17:20 |
| jaypipes | ravikumar_hp: do you have resources that could work on fuzz testing tool like randgen? | 17:20 |
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| ravikumar_hp | jaypipes: we will explore | 17:21 |
| jaypipes | ravikumar_hp: thx | 17:21 |
| jaypipes | ok folks, anything else on the docket? | 17:21 |
| jesusaurus | i have a quick question, is anyone in this meeting using the tests under tempest/stress/ ? | 17:21 |
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| jaypipes | jesusaurus: davidkranz is. | 17:22 |
| davidkranz | I haven't been using them in a while. I was waiting for the "errors in logs with successful runs" bugs to be fixed. | 17:23 |
| jaypipes | ++ | 17:23 |
| jesusaurus | okay, i'll sync up with him at some point. i have some tests of my own i want to merge in | 17:23 |
| jesusaurus | and i want to discuss the general framework as well | 17:23 |
| ravikumar_hp | jesusaurus: that will help | 17:23 |
| davidkranz | jesusaurus: Please do. | 17:23 |
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| jesusaurus | davidkranz: ping me when you have some time to discuss the stress tests' architecture | 17:24 |
| jaypipes | OK, see you all next week, sorry for the shortened meeting. | 17:24 |
| jaypipes | #endmeeting | 17:24 |
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| mlavalle | Have a nice week you all | 17:24 |
| zyluo | bye | 17:24 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 10 17:24:46 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-01-10-17.00.html | 17:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-01-10-17.00.txt | 17:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-01-10-17.00.log.html | 17:24 |
| davidkranz | jesusaurus: What time zone are you? | 17:24 |
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| jesusaurus | davidkranz: pst | 17:26 |
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| ravikumar_hp | davidkranz: I think those stress tests may be added as jenkins and run once a week after the issue is resolved | 17:26 |
| ravikumar_hp | jesusaurus: where is bayarea? | 17:26 |
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| ravikumar_hp | I am in Sunnyvale. | 17:26 |
| jesusaurus | im in seattle | 17:27 |
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| ravikumar_hp | jesusaurus: ok . we are same company.. | 17:28 |
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| lifeless | jaypipes: o/ | 18:58 |
| jaypipes | lifeless: sorry man, knee deep in PKI right now :( | 18:59 |
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| lifeless | jaypipes: no worries, just saw the reference in backlog | 18:59 |
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| vishy | #startmeeting nova | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 10 21:01:04 2013 UTC. The chair is vishy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:01 |
| russellb | hi! | 21:01 |
| vishy | #chair russellb | 21:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: russellb vishy | 21:01 |
| vishy | we don't really have anything on the agenda | 21:01 |
| russellb | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/Nova | 21:01 |
| vishy | :) | 21:01 |
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| russellb | heh, yeah. | 21:01 |
| roaet | thanks for the blueprint approval! | 21:01 |
| russellb | I guess we can talk about bugs for a moment | 21:02 |
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| vishy | russellb: sounds good | 21:02 |
| vishy | #topic bugs | 21:02 |
| russellb | #link http://webnumbr.com/untouched-nova-bugs | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
| russellb | untouched bugs is up to 48 | 21:02 |
| russellb | creeped up over the holidays, not surprising | 21:02 |
| russellb | so, just need some folks to put that back on their weekly to-do to help triage a few | 21:02 |
| russellb | that's pretty much all i wanted to point out ... | 21:03 |
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| russellb | any other bug discussion? | 21:04 |
| jog0 | russellb: yeah | 21:04 |
| jog0 | was hoping to get https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1075716 backported to Folsom | 21:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1075716 in nova "Soft delete does update quotas correctly" [Undecided,Fix released] | 21:04 |
| russellb | have you proposed it? | 21:05 |
| jog0 | as its user facing bug that is easy to hit in production. | 21:05 |
| jog0 | russellb: working on it now, its not a completely trivial backport though | 21:05 |
| russellb | i don't think you need to wait for someone else to backport it if it's important to ou | 21:05 |
| russellb | gotcha | 21:05 |
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| jog0 | if johannes or someone else who worked on quota is around, help would be appreceated | 21:06 |
| russellb | so, want me to target to folsom and assign to you? | 21:06 |
| jog0 | russellb: sure | 21:06 |
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| russellb | jog0: k done | 21:07 |
| jog0 | russellb: thanks | 21:07 |
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| russellb | I guess another bug note ... since we're now in the grizzly-3 cycle, we should definitely be watching out for bugs that we want to make sure get fixed in grizzly (and target them to grizzly-3 for now?) | 21:08 |
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| russellb | need to start narrowing in on what the final release is going to look like | 21:09 |
| westmaas | comstud: do you remember anyone else that looked at quotas? | 21:09 |
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| russellb | any other bug discussion? | 21:10 |
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| russellb | ok then. | 21:11 |
| russellb | #topic grizzly-3 | 21:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "grizzly-3 (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:11 | |
| russellb | grizzly-3 is Feb 21, that'll be here faster than we think :) | 21:12 |
| russellb | that's also feature freeze, in theory | 21:12 |
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| russellb | we have way more blueprints than will get done, realistically ... https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/grizzly-3 | 21:12 |
| russellb | if you have cycles, take a look for something to volunteer for | 21:12 |
| dims | russellb, so only bugs after 21st? | 21:12 |
| russellb | dims: that's the idea, only bugs without an exception | 21:12 |
| dims | k | 21:13 |
| russellb | you can ask for a feature freeze exception, but don't count on it | 21:13 |
| russellb | especially with nova, we'll be busy enough with bugs that overloading ourselves with feature exceptions isn't ideal | 21:13 |
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| dims | understood | 21:14 |
| russellb | looks like all blueprints are assigned, technically | 21:14 |
| russellb | but if something looks interesting, don't hestitate to contact whoever is assigned and offer to help | 21:14 |
| russellb | i guess that's it on that ... | 21:14 |
| russellb | #topic Open Discussion | 21:15 |
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| russellb | So, I feel like attendance has been kind of light to this meeting in general ... | 21:15 |
| russellb | is there something we can be doing to make this more useful? | 21:16 |
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| russellb | would like to encourage more attendance and participation. | 21:16 |
| jog0 | add a meeting reminder to the ML | 21:16 |
| vishy | russellb: seems like there is more early in the cycle | 21:16 |
| vishy | russellb: while we are planning things out | 21:16 |
| russellb | yeah, true. | 21:17 |
| mikal | Also, I'm here, I just haven't had anything to say | 21:17 |
| russellb | jog0: yeah, I usually send one. I didn't today (and attendence seems lighter than usual, too) | 21:17 |
| vishy | seems like now it is mostly implementation and reviews | 21:17 |
| dims | and asking for reviews :) | 21:17 |
| vishy | 45 blueprints in g-3 seems totally reasonable :) | 21:18 |
| russellb | cool, well, i'm happy to put in work outside of the meeting if there's something i can do to make it more useful, happy to hear ideas if anyone has them at some point | 21:18 |
| russellb | vishy: really? | 21:18 |
| russellb | sarcasm is hard to detect on IRC, heh. | 21:18 |
| * vishy is dripping with sarcasm | 21:18 | |
| guitarzan | smell the sarcasm! | 21:18 |
| russellb | excellent. | 21:18 |
| russellb | well I guess as long as everyone is aware of the deadline | 21:19 |
| vishy | this looks interesting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18462/ | 21:19 |
| russellb | and for the love of (*&#$(#@, please don't show up with a massive patch 2 days before the deadline | 21:19 |
| russellb | we had multiple instances of that with folsom | 21:19 |
| vishy | i keep missing stuff since i turned off my notification of every single commit | 21:19 |
| beagles | define massive ;) | 21:19 |
| russellb | beagles: thousands of lines | 21:19 |
| russellb | i can haz merge? | 21:20 |
| beagles | ugh | 21:20 |
| russellb | i know you have 100 other open reviews and i just dropped this, but ... | 21:20 |
| * russellb reads about utilization-based-scheduling | 21:21 | |
| dims | as a new comer, i end up staring at reviews of my patches to see if there was any movement, i am slowly learning to peel my eyes away from them. any tips? | 21:21 |
| comstud | whoops | 21:21 |
| russellb | comstud: ;) | 21:22 |
| rmk | dims: I'd say it's fair to expect to have to wait a bit but also fair to ping people for reviews if it sits too long | 21:22 |
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| comstud | time flies when fixing bugs | 21:22 |
| westmaas | comstud highlights on (*&#$(#@ | 21:22 |
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| comstud | lol | 21:22 |
| rmk | It's not as glamorous to review which is why they take along time, everyone prefers to write new code :) | 21:22 |
| dims | :) | 21:22 |
| russellb | sometimes i prefer to review, oddly | 21:22 |
| russellb | though i haven't been reviewing as much as usual lately ... need to kick it back up | 21:23 |
| vishy | dims: also is useful to ping people that you know will be interested | 21:23 |
| rmk | Or always ping vish like I do | 21:23 |
| rmk | jk | 21:24 |
| russellb | rmk: nice. | 21:24 |
| vishy | like if they touched the code around where you are editing | 21:24 |
| dims | vishy, right. i am trying to get to know folks :) | 21:24 |
| rmk | I like the idea of utilization based scheduling | 21:24 |
| rmk | We have related problems to solve | 21:25 |
| rmk | Say you're using utilization based but have a bunch of suspended VMs all over the place.. we never reschedule | 21:25 |
| * dims says thanks for the tips | 21:26 | |
| russellb | an interesting thing to add to the scheduling mix for sure | 21:26 |
| russellb | i like it | 21:27 |
| rmk | nods | 21:27 |
| russellb | welp ... anything else for open discussion? reviews anyone wants to plug? | 21:27 |
| russellb | light meeting today. | 21:27 |
| russellb | who wants to help comstud get the rest of cells in? | 21:27 |
| russellb | :) | 21:27 |
| rmk | I haven't looked closely at this patch but how much historical utilization data does it take into account? | 21:28 |
| rmk | is it just a point-in-time utilization snapshot? | 21:28 |
| rmk | At first glance it looks like it is | 21:28 |
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| russellb | nah, it has a window of samples | 21:29 |
| russellb | see AveragingProfiler in the compute resource_tracker | 21:29 |
| comstud | everyone wants to help me | 21:30 |
| comstud | right!? | 21:30 |
| comstud | technically there's still more I don't have up for review yet ;) | 21:30 |
| russellb | heh, ok but seriously, grizzly-3, we have *got* to have it all in | 21:30 |
| russellb | comstud: start raging at people to review | 21:31 |
| * russellb should review the rest i guess | 21:31 | |
| comstud | russellb: yeah, i rage at you first. | 21:31 |
| comstud | ()!*$()!@*$ | 21:31 |
| russellb | rmk: i see that it's keeping 10 samples by default, but not sure how often that is | 21:31 |
| rmk | interesting | 21:32 |
| sdague | comstud: is there going to be a new rev of cells for devstack? | 21:35 |
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| russellb | rmk: every run of periodic tasks, so roughly once a minute | 21:35 |
| comstud | sdague: not sure, i wasn't the one working on it | 21:35 |
| comstud | i assume the answer is yes at some point here | 21:36 |
| russellb | rmk: took me a while to dig for that, heh | 21:36 |
| alaski | I wrote the first version of cells on devstack. I haven't looked into what's changed with cells recently but I can work on getting together an update | 21:36 |
| rmk | russellb: cool thanks.. | 21:37 |
| russellb | doesn't seem like the usage has changed, really | 21:37 |
| rmk | Going to look at this some more | 21:37 |
| russellb | rmk: cool :) | 21:37 |
| russellb | comstud cleaned up the code, but didn't seem like the config and such changed, so hopefully it just still works | 21:37 |
| comstud | alaski: shouldn't be much externally.. except the API extension | 21:37 |
| * dansmith staggers in | 21:38 | |
| devananda | anyone want to poke at 19077, adding a REST API for baremetal? | 21:38 |
| russellb | dansmith: slacker! | 21:38 |
| russellb | dansmith: jk <3 | 21:38 |
| alaski | cool, I'll test it out and update if necessary. And push up a review at some point. | 21:38 |
| dansmith | russellb: my lotus notes calendar doesn't understand UTC, so I correct in my head.. and lost track today :D | 21:39 |
| russellb | zomg time zones | 21:39 |
| russellb | dansmith: not sure how much you saw in #openstack-nova ... i started an rpc based servicegroup driver, but realized there's still a lot of direct service db access scattered around, so it's going to be more difficult than i thought | 21:41 |
| dansmith | russellb: yeah, not surprised.. like the thing comstud is working on right now | 21:42 |
| russellb | dansmith: i may just do a conductor db proxy approach as the first pass like we did everything else ... | 21:42 |
| dansmith | russellb: okay | 21:42 |
| dansmith | I've been trying to start digging into finding some of those hidden dragons for two days, but keep getting distracted | 21:42 |
| russellb | all good, i know how it goes | 21:43 |
| russellb | nova party at dansmith's house in April? :-p | 21:43 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:44 |
| russellb | never been to portland, so looking forward to it | 21:44 |
| comstud | dansmith: it seems silly to pass an insanely large message with full instance model when the DB only needs the uuid | 21:44 |
| dansmith | I try to avoid it at all costs, so don't expect me to know my way around or anything :D | 21:44 |
| comstud | dansmith: but I see other calls do this | 21:44 |
| comstud | oops, wrong chan | 21:44 |
| comstud | :) | 21:44 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:45 |
| * comstud forgot we were having a meeting | 21:45 | |
| russellb | comstud: yeah we've been pretty much doing that everywhere | 21:45 |
| russellb | comstud: well the meeting doesn't really have a topic right now | 21:45 |
| russellb | it's like ... #openstack-nova ... but logged? | 21:45 |
| comstud | haha | 21:45 |
| russellb | i guess we can move back over :) | 21:45 |
| russellb | any last meeting worthy topics? | 21:45 |
| russellb | if you have any agenda requests, update the wiki before next week | 21:46 |
| russellb | or ping me and i'll add it if you don't feel like it, heh | 21:46 |
| russellb | kthxbye. | 21:46 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 21:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 10 21:46:42 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-01-10-21.01.html | 21:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-01-10-21.01.txt | 21:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-01-10-21.01.log.html | 21:46 |
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