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sthakkargood afternoon all20:59
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danwenthi folks21:00
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danwent#startmeeting quantum21:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jan 14 21:00:33 2013 UTC.  The chair is danwent. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'quantum'21:00
danwent#link agenda:
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danwentok, welcome to the grizzly-3 milestone!21:01
danwent#topic announcements21:01
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danwent#info Now in Grizzly-3, the final milestone for Grizzly. Branch date is Feb 19th (
danwent#info Summit Announced:
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danwentif you are an active developer and have not gotten a summit invite, please ping thierry and CC me.21:01
danwent#info Foundation individual member elections are open:
danwentI think we have at least one quantum team member on the list of those running, right kyle?21:02
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danwentany other announcements before we get started?21:02
mesterydanwent: Correct! I'm in the running.21:02
gongyshmestery: u should tell me earlier.21:03
mesterygongysh: :)21:03
danwent#topic quantum documentation21:03
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danwentAt this point, we're at the same place on docs as we were two weeks agog.21:03
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annegentle_itsmeI'd like more eyes on this one:
danwentgongysh, arosen, we should probably take out references to the nova handler for quantum security groups, no?21:04
mesterydanwent: I'd like to help with some of these docs bugs, I'll see what I can do this week.21:04
danwentannegentle_itsme: that code hasn't merged yet and is still under discussion, so probably not yet to to merge it.21:04
gongysharosen: what does u think of?21:04
arosendanwent:  I agree since we should hopefully get that integration directly into nova soon.21:04
annegentle_itsmedanwent: ah that makes sense21:04
danwentgongysh: should that schedule review be marked WIP?21:05
danwentgongysh: until the code is merged?21:05
danwentarosen: is there nova BP for the proxy?  if so, who is assigned?21:05
arosenThere is. I'm currently assigned.21:05
danwentarosen:  i don't want the same thing to happen with security groups as happened to floating IPs.21:06
danwentarosen: ok, can you send out a pointer?21:06
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danwentarosen: i guess we can discuss in G-3 section, as its not really docs.  sorry21:06
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danwentlooks like we are good there.21:07
danwentSo my big ask to people on the docs side is to start filing bugs for G-1 and G-2 items that have merged, but are not documented.21:07
gongyshthere is a section misssing about provider ex.21:07
gongyshon netconn-api.21:07
danwentgongysh: ok, can you file a bug and make it 'high' so we have it on our radar?21:07
danwentperhaps mestery can handle that, if he is so inclined :)21:08
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mesterydanwent, gongysh: I can do that.21:08
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mesterydanwent: I noticed also that the guide here doesn't appear to be complete near the end
danwentok, and in terms of new bugs that need to be filed.21:09
mesteryPlanning to file a bug on that one too. Seems like it stops in the middle of explaining the deployment scenarioi.21:09
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mesteryAnywys, FYI21:09
danwentmestery: thanks for pointing that out.21:09
danwentDB upgrade21:10
mesterydanwent: Just noticed it today while looking for something else actually.21:10
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danwentwe have security groups documented already, is that right arosen ?21:10
gongyshmestery: that is done by me. I stopped in middle? maybe21:10
mesterygongysh: Seems maybe that is the case. :)21:11
danwentmarkmcclain: can you file a bug for what is needed to document the user (not developer) part of DB upgrade?21:11
amotokidanwent: we have already secgroup docs in admin guide.21:11
gongyshmestery:  welcome to file a bug and fix it.21:11
danwentamotoki: thanks for the confirm21:11
mesterygongysh: Will do, thanks!21:11
danwentmarkmcclain: or do you expect packaging to handle that?21:11
markmcclaindanwent: sure21:11
markmcclainI'll document since not everyone will use packaging21:12
danwentsalv-orlando: can you make sure we have bugs filed for each new API extension + mechanism?21:12
salv-orlandodanwent: sure. Can you clarify what you mean by 'mechanism'?21:12
danwenti am thinking lbaas, service-type21:13
salv-orlandook gotcha21:13
danwentsorry, what I mean to say is one bug for API doc, one for admin doc.21:13
salv-orlando#action salv-orlando to file doc bugs for new undocumented API extensions (both netconn-api and openstack-manuals)21:13
danwentmoving forward, it would be great if during code reviews, we make sure all appropriate documentation bugs are filed if the change is user-visiible.21:14
danwentmarkmcclain: can you also file one for running the metadata service?21:14
markmcclainwill do21:14
danwentok, anything else on docs front?21:14
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danwent#topic grizzly-3 milestone21:15
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danwentok, time goes by so fast.  we are now to the third and final milestone in the grizzly cycle21:15
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gongyshtime flies.21:15
danwent#info we already have 31 blueprints assigned to G-3, which is way more than will be completed.21:16
danwent#info please make sure we focus on what we think we can complete with a high probability21:16
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danwent#info I want to try and rely on the sub-team leads more moving forward.  So if you are a sub-team lead, please look through items currently assigned to g-3, and assign yourself as the approver if it is work for your team
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danwentI will be asking the sub-team leads to help create the agenda for team meetings moving forward, as they identify items from their sub-teams that need wider attention.21:17
danwentWith G-3 starting, I wanted to call attention to a couple discussions around existing items that I think its important that the team tackle in G-321:18
danwentfirst off, the discussion aroudn improving vif-plugging (this is across both nova + quantu): and
danwentgaryk has been driving this from a quantum side, working with Daniel Berrange from RH on the nova side21:19
garykdanwent: i think that the vif improvement can be closed. danpb is working on the nova side. akihiro added in some additional goodies21:19
danwentgaryk: I still think this is very libvirt specific21:19
garykdanwent: true.21:20
danwentgaryk: and I have some concerns around how things work as more fields are added to extension over time, or to how libvirt configured networking21:20
garykdanwent: understood.21:20
amotokigaryk: we need to figure out what information should be passed to nova and how to add an attribute.21:21
mesterydanwent: See Daniel's reply he just sent, FYI.21:21
danwentgaryk: I am nervous about additional fields just be added to this dictionary over time, making it a hode-podge.  anyway, I sent a note to the list, which I expect other daniel will flame :)21:21
danwenthaha, i figured.21:21
garykdanwent: :)21:21
mesterydanwent: I think Daniel's response was fairly pragmatic, given his involvement with libvirt. :)21:22
garykdanwent: let me do a little homework and we can syc next week. sound reasonable?21:22
danwentgaryk: i appreciate it.   thanks.21:22
danwentmestery: i haven't seen it yet, i was just basing my comments off previous replies on a private thread.  I think daniel and I actually agree on 90%+ of things.21:22
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danwentmestery: this might be a good area for you to be getting involved in as well21:23
danwentmestery: that's why i wanted to open up the discussion more.  in hindsight, should have done that much earlier.21:23
mesterydanwent: Agreed. Thanks for opening it up, and I agree with you.21:23
danwent#info please check out ML thread on vif-plugging.21:24
danwentnext area I wanted to highlight was
gongyshhaha,  scheduler time21:24
danwenti think we as a community need to be sure to execute on something in G-3 that provides ha/scale-out properties for dhcp + l321:25
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gongyshyes. that is the of of tenets of Openstack.21:25
danwentso I want to make sure we get good design discussion attention on this early, as the actual code changes may be substantial, so we need plenty of time for review as well21:25
danwent#info quantum scheduler design doc is here:
danwentplease give your attention to commenting on this very early in G-3 (i..e, start this week)21:26
danwentgongysh: looks like the spec has expanded since I last looked at it.  will give it another read.21:27
danwentgongysh: anything else to comment on this, other than that the docs are already available as well?21:27
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gongyshcodes are in review too.21:27
danwent (docs)21:28
gongyshplus admin doc,  cli command.21:28
danwent (code)21:28
danwentgongysh: ah, can you send pointer to admin docs review?21:28
gongyshpdf admin guide was sent out one month ago to mail list.21:28
danwentgongysh: thx.21:29
danwentok, next item is the hyper-v plugin
alexpilottihi there! :-)21:30
danwentreview now has two +2's from garyk and gongysh :
gongyshthanks for alexpilotti's efforts.21:31
danwentwe were blocking merger, since this is a new plugin, it needed a core dev to agree to be the maintainer, and I wanted to general team discussion to see if there were any other concerns with the plugin being added.21:31
danwentmy understanding is that we have a core dev who has volunteered to be the maintainer? gongysh ?21:31
alexpilottiI have to add that gongysh did an impressive work in testing and reviewing the plugin21:31
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danwentgongysh has a lot of cycles devoted to quantum, and is not the maintainer of any other plugins, so I don't see a resource issue there.21:32
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danwentalexpilotti: is the long-term goal for you or someone on your team to try and become a core dev, or to have gongysh maintain?21:32
alexpilottidanwent: I'd gladly like to become a core dev to mantain the plugin21:33
danwentalexpilotti: ok, would be great to have you working toward that goal.21:33
alexpilottias you know we as a company are very serious in mantaining the code and providing new features21:33
danwentin the mean time, I wanted to see if anyone has any concerns around gongysh being the maintainer and this plugin merging?21:33
danwentgiven the number of plugins I expect to have proposed soon, I wanted to have a bit more of a discussion around each new plugin, but I personally don't have concerns with this plugin in particular… everything seems pretty ship-shape.21:34
alexpilottifrom our pint of view, I couldn't see a better choice than gongysh21:34
danwentok, if there are no other concerns, I'll remove my -2 from the review, now that we have a core maintainer.21:35
danwentalexpilotti, gongysh please file the appropriate doc bugs associated with the plugin.21:35
alexpilottisure, tx danwent, gongysh!21:35
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danwentgongysh, garyk, one of you two can click approve :)21:36
mesteryWelcome to Quantum Hyper-V!21:36
danwenti want a screenshot of quantum running on windows :)21:36
gongyshwe will have.21:37
garykdanwent: i'll let yong have the honor21:37
alexpilottidanwent: you'll have an entire session in Portland ;-)21:37
danwentok, next topic:  lbaas21:37
danwentin G-2, we made good progress.  the API merged, as did the DB CRUD operations.21:37
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danwentin G-3, I feel we need to merge at least one open source plugin/driver21:37
danwentwe currently have the following bp, which I believe is tracking this:
sthakkari believe Eugene & team have started some work here, right?21:38
danwentsthakkar: yes, I believe so.  was looking for an update from them.21:38
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danwentis anyone from the mirantis team at the meeting?21:39
danwentmy understanding is that he was working with leon, and testing leon's DB patch with their internal driver code.21:39
sthakkarOleg / Eugene are you guys on?21:39
sthakkardanwent: yep i think so21:39
sthakkardanwent: If they aren't on right now, I can drop them a note to follow up21:40
danwent#todo sthakkar, can you check up on status there and report next meeting?21:40
danwentyes, please21:40
sthakkarwill do21:40
danwentok, next up: python client + CLI discussions:,
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1094713 in python-quantumclient "extension commands and options should be marked" [Wishlist,New]21:41
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danwentwe had a lot of discussion around python client + CLI at the summit21:41
danwentI wanted to make sure we circle back and discuss this before grizzly is over :)21:41
danwentmarkmcclain: now that namespace + DB upgrade stuff is wrapped up, is this on the docket for G-3?21:42
markmcclainalso since I've got a few volunteers to help with a few other bp's too21:42
danwentgreat.  gongysh, markmcclain, can we clean up a bit?21:43
danwentwe should talk about how to number the python-quantumclient release that we do around the grizzly release21:43
gongysh3.0 for Grizzly?21:44
danwentbasically, we'll need to create a release that we can assign bugs/blueprints to.21:44
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danwentand be able to track progress toward exactly what we think will be released21:44
danwentgongysh: the changes at the python layer seem significant enough to merit a major version change, but up to you all :)21:45
markmcclainI think 3.0 makes sense21:45
gongyshok, 3.0 for grizzly.21:45
gongyshBut I don't know how to make a milestone for it.  markmcclain, do u know how to do it?21:46
danwentok, 15 minutes left21:46
amotokiI also want to mark adddressed bugs as "Fix released" at some timing to cleanup bugs.21:46
gongyshI mean on the launchpad.net21:46
markmcclainno.. but I'll figure out after mtg21:46
danwentwanted to move on pretty quickly to remaining items.21:46
gongyshnext, please.21:46
danwentbut please make any work you're planning to do in G-3 proposed in launchpad by next week's meeting.21:46
danwent#topic quantums table21:46
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danwent#topic quantum stable21:47
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danwentgaryk:  do we have final date for stable release at end of month?21:47
gongysh:) table21:47
danwentyes, its quantum's table :)21:47
garykdanwent: as far as i know 31st of the montj21:47
garyksorry month.21:47
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danwentgaryk: ok.  seems like there are a fair number of stable reviews out right now.21:48
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danwentbut seems manageble.21:49
garykdanwent: yes. there are 2 or 3 pending back porting. i'd like to do these once he current list is thourgh.21:49
danwentat next meeting, if there is still a stable backlog, we'll review.21:49
danwentgaryk: yup.  next meeting we can call out any high priority items still languishing21:49
danwent#topic quantum system test21:49
garykok. basically i need a stable core to give thumbs up. the majority have had good reviews from quantum reviewers21:49
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danwentany update on quantum system test?21:50
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mlavalledanwent: I am developing
nati_uenoI'm investigating why quantum-gating sometimes fails21:51
mlavalletargeting G-321:51
danwentnati_ueno: great, was just in process of asking :)21:51
danwentmlavalle: ok, so sounds like we've de-dupped efforts, great.21:51
danwent#topic quantum + horizon21:51
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danwentamotoki, nati_ueno.  did items merge for G-2 as expected?21:51
nati_uenodanwent: yes21:52
danwentsweet, great work guys!21:52
danwentok, can you send out pointers to work items for G-3?21:52
amotokiL3 router and additional operations are available.21:52
amotokidanwent: i updated the wiki.21:52
danwentat this point, I don't believe anyone is working on lbaas + horizon, are they?21:52
garykdanwent: amotoki: are we going to have provider network support?21:52
danwentamotoki: ah, you are sly :)21:52
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danwentlbaas + horizon might be a cool thing for someone looking for a project.21:53
amotokigaryk: provider network information is displayed in detail.21:53
danwentas having a gui makes it much easier to demo a capability21:53
garykamotoki: thanks21:53
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amotokithe first one can be uploaded to review this week.21:54
danwentok, great work on this guys.21:54
danwentanything else on quantum/horizon?21:54
danwent#topic open discussion21:54
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danwentvishy pinged me about  the corresponding review seems abandoned.21:55
danwenthaving hotplug seems useful in a lot of circumstances though, so i'll be fishing around for someone interested in working on this.21:55
danwentany other open discussion?  up to 5 minutes left in the meeting21:55
danwent(but no need to take it up if no one has anything....)21:56
danwent(but no need to take it up if no one has anything….)21:56
mesterydanwent: An early end to a Quantum meeting? :)21:56
danwentok, that's all folks!21:56
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markvoelker'night folks21:56
garykthanks and good night21:57
mlavallehave a nice week!21:57
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amotokihave a nice week!21:57
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danwentthanks team!  please remember to start looking through existing launchpad items if you're a sub-team lead.  I will also be assigning approvers to open items.21:57
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nati_uenosalv-orlando: When poc of service insertion is ready?21:58
salv-orlandoit's in the code21:59
salv-orlandosee the unit tests21:59
nati_uenosalv-orlando: Thanks!21:59
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