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| dhellmann | #startmeeting Ceilometer | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 7 15:00:24 2013 UTC. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | #meetingtopic Ceilometer | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
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| dhellmann | #chair dhellmann | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dhellmann | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | ATTENTION: please keep discussion focused on topic until we reach the open discussion topic | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | Please raise your hand if you are here for the ceilometer meeting. | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| eglynn | o/ | 15:00 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:01 |
| n0ano | o/ | 15:01 |
| maksimov | o/ | 15:01 |
| DanD | o/ | 15:01 |
| zehndton | o/ | 15:01 |
| graflu0 | o/ | 15:01 |
| danspraggins | o/ | 15:01 |
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| dhellmann | hi, gordc, are you here for the ceilometer meeting? | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | let's get started | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | #topic Review last week's actions | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review last week's actions (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
| dhellmann | #topic nijaba to check room allocation for ceilometer during summit | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to check room allocation for ceilometer during summit (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
| gordc | hi dhellmann, yes. just checking in. | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | great, we're just getting going | 15:02 |
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| dhellmann | nijaba isn't able to make the meeting today, and I didn't get an update from him, so I will put this on the agenda for next week | 15:02 |
| dhellmann | #action nijaba to check room allocation for ceilometer during summit | 15:02 |
| dhellmann | #topic nijaba to start a brainstorm wiki for a tag line on the tshirt | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to start a brainstorm wiki for a tag line on the tshirt (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:02 | |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ceilometer/TagLine | 15:02 |
| sandywalsh | o/ | 15:02 |
| dhellmann | #info done | 15:02 |
| dhellmann | if you have proposals for a tagline, please add them to that wiki page | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | #topic Bug day results | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug day results (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:03 | |
| sew | o/ | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | we had our second bug squashing day on tuesday | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | it seemed to go well, there were a lot of changesets up for review | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | did anyone count them? | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | ok, perhaps not | 15:04 |
| maksimov | jd__: has been submitting like 5 at a time | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | we should be able to get those stats | 15:04 |
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| dhellmann | yes, he had several related changes stacked up :-) | 15:05 |
| maksimov | i opened a new bug instead of fixing any :P | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | maksimov: we'll take it! | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | does anyone have comments about how to improve the process for next time? | 15:06 |
| maksimov | probably a good idea to have a discussion a day earlier | 15:06 |
| eglynn | yep | 15:06 |
| eglynn | timing was definitely better this time round | 15:06 |
| llu-laptop | Is the bug squashing day target for take ownership of the bug or fix it on that day? | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | I tried to do a little triage work, but discussion would be good | 15:06 |
| eglynn | (in terms of closeness to a release deadline) | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | llu-laptop: both or either | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: +1 | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | I think it also helped that we were in feature-freeze, so there was less temptation to work on new things. :-) | 15:07 |
| llu-laptop | some bugs are not easy to do. Like the metaquery for sqlalchemy which jd took | 15:07 |
| eglynn | true that | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | what do you think about introducing week-long bug sprints at a couple of spots in our schedule for H? | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | maybe leading right up to milestones, for example? | 15:08 |
| eglynn | the perfect bug for a day of squashing is bite-sized and self-contained | 15:08 |
| eglynn | which is limiting | 15:08 |
| eglynn | so yeah, a weak long bug sprint sounds ideal | 15:08 |
| maksimov | week-long sprint is good | 15:08 |
| llu-laptop | +1 for week-long sprint | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | ok, we'll leave that for our next PTL to organize, then :-) | 15:09 |
| maksimov | especially for those who are not 100% devoted, but still want to participate | 15:09 |
| eglynn | it would also give folks the flexibility to dip in and out | 15:09 |
| eglynn | yep, exactly | 15:09 |
| nealph | +1 | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | #agreed introduce week-long bug sprints during the H cycle, details to be determined | 15:09 |
| graflu0 | +1 | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | I believe quantum has a feature freeze ~1 week before each milestone, so maybe we can verify that and duplicate what their team is doing | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | ok, moving on | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | #topic Removal of unactive core developers | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Removal of unactive core developers (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:10 | |
| dhellmann | It is proposed that we remove Loic Dachary, Francis J. Lacoste, and Graham Binns from the "core" team. | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | My understanding is their status can easily be restored. | 15:10 |
| eglynn | what's our definition of inactive? | 15:10 |
| epende | o/ | 15:11 |
| eglynn | no patches in previous release cycle? | 15:11 |
| eglynn | or no reviews? | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | well, I'm not sure that they have contributed during grizzly | 15:11 |
| eglynn | k | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | for core, reviews are (IMO) the most important contribution | 15:11 |
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| eglynn | dhellmann: agreed | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | I'm not 100% sure of the process for making the updates, but I think if everyone agrees we can leave it to nijaba to handle. | 15:11 |
| sandywalsh | for nova it's # reviews in 30 days | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | and, as I mentioned, their status can easily be reinstated by their asking | 15:12 |
| sandywalsh | (at least 10 required) | 15:12 |
| eglynn | that's fair | 15:12 |
| eglynn | any objections? do we need to vote on it? | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: we're smaller, so a lower threshold seems reasonable | 15:12 |
| sandywalsh | dhellmann, sure | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | I'm not sure of the voting process for that | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | I don't think we have a quorum of core contributors today | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | if there are no strong objections, I propose we just say we've agreed and let nijaba handle the details when he gets back | 15:13 |
| eglynn | fair enough (I don't object to the removal, just wondering about the process ...) | 15:13 |
| maksimov | what's the benefit of removing? does this free up a quota for new core? | 15:13 |
| maksimov | or is there a quota | 15:13 |
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| dhellmann | maksimov: no, there is no quota | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | but if they are not contributing, I think we want them off of the core list so we know who *is* an active contributor | 15:14 |
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| maksimov | ok so | 15:14 |
| eglynn | just housekeeping really I guess, also ... pour encouragez les autres | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | right | 15:14 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: is that latin? | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | you know, I guess it makes voting in new core members easier, too, since the voting pool is limited to the active contributors | 15:15 |
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| dhellmann | llu-laptop: french (to encourage the others) | 15:16 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: French, I'm standing in as the token Frenchman today ;) | 15:16 |
| maksimov | :) | 15:16 |
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| dhellmann | so if there are no strong objections, I will mark us agreed and let nijaba take care of it? | 15:16 |
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| llu-laptop | looks like I can learn my 2nd foreign language here. addtional benifit ;) | 15:16 |
| llu-laptop | agreed | 15:17 |
| eglynn | +1 | 15:17 |
| sandywalsh | dhellmann, just so I'm clear, are you suggesting that only patches are meaningful vs. just reviewing? | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: the opposite, for core | 15:17 |
| eglynn | the opposite I thought | 15:17 |
| eglynn | yep | 15:17 |
| sandywalsh | k, cool .. good | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | well, not the opposite, but reviews are more important | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | patches are definitely important, too! | 15:17 |
| sandywalsh | +1 | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | #agreed remove Loic Dachary, Francis J. Lacoste, and Graham Binns from the "core" team | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | #topic Release of python-ceilometerclient | 15:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release of python-ceilometerclient (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:18 | |
| llu-laptop | just wondering what's the task list for such a release? | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | We need to prepare a release. I haven't had a chance to review the process for doing that. Is anyone else familiar with it? | 15:18 |
| sandywalsh | nova allows a "fast track" for reinstated ... just start reviewing again regularly. No core vote required. | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: right, I think we'd probably follow that process | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann investigate the process for releasing a client library | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | I'm sure there's some automation around that, probably involving tagging | 15:19 |
| eglynn | pushing up to pypi also? | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | yeah, jenkins does that part | 15:20 |
| eglynn | k | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | I would like to propose that we use the semantic versioning scheme (1.0.0), rather than date-based (2013.1) because my understanding is the new python packaging tools will eventually not work with date-based releases. | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | there was some discussion of this related to oslo.config recently on the dev mailing list | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | it seems like, since this is our first release, we should try to start out down the right path, instead of having to change it later | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | any objections or questions? | 15:22 |
| sandywalsh | dhellmann, better check with ttx on that one | 15:22 |
| llu-laptop | agreed. We don't want follow oslo.config. | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: yeah | 15:22 |
| eglynn | I think the other python-*clients already go with x.y.z as opposed to YYYY.x | 15:22 |
| ttx | semantic versioning is fine with python client libs | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: a sample of size 1 says you may be correct | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | ttx: thanks! | 15:23 |
| llu-laptop | Should the client follow the same milestone as the main project? | 15:23 |
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| dhellmann | llu-laptop: since it doesn't follow the same versioning scheme, and it is supposed to maintain backwards compatibility, I think the idea is to be able to release more frequently, as needed | 15:24 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: they're decoupled for the other projects | 15:24 |
| maksimov | for example i see python-swiftclient 1.3.0, python-novaclient 2.11.1 | 15:25 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: sometimes causes an issue, e.g. when a new novaclient include calls that require new-ish support in nova core | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | are there any missing features that would preclude a release? or any critical bugs? | 15:25 |
| eglynn | also another thing to note for the clients is that there's no stable branch | 15:26 |
| eglynn | (so any fixes wait for the next full release) | 15:26 |
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| dhellmann | eglynn: yes, but we can release whenever we need to, right? | 15:26 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: yep | 15:27 |
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| dhellmann | so the "wait" may be until "tomorrow" :-) | 15:27 |
| eglynn | I guess :) | 15:27 |
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| gordc | are there plans to merge the client into openstackclient or is ceilometer going to remain separate? | 15:27 |
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| dhellmann | gordc: I plan to get them merged | 15:27 |
| maksimov | is this an old one? https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ceilometerclient/0.1 | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | maksimov: yes, that was a prototype that we wrote at dreamhost | 15:28 |
| sandywalsh | I always get confused between python-novaclient and novaclient ... is one pip and one distro? | 15:28 |
| maksimov | oic - 'pre-alpha' | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | it predates asalkeld's work on the official client | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: I'm not sure I've see novaclient. I think the package name is python-novaclient | 15:29 |
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| dhellmann | well, the "dist" name is python-novaclient and the python package is novaclient | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | maksimov: yes, a completely different (and now abandoned) code base | 15:29 |
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| sandywalsh | ok, there was two for a while, but I think they've cleaned that up | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: ah | 15:29 |
| maksimov | the whole list https://pypi.python.org/pypi?:action=browse&c=583 | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | so, back to our client: does anyone have any bugs we definitely need to fix before a 1.0 release? | 15:30 |
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| dhellmann | and, now that it comes up, should this be 1.0? | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | I think it should, but does anyone disagree? | 15:30 |
| llu-laptop | keystoneclient is still 0.2.2 | 15:30 |
| eglynn | yolanda's https://review.openstack.org/23549 should probably go in | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: yes, definitely | 15:31 |
| sandywalsh | I don't think so ... I think we're going to have some big changes in the next release, but it's just a number | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | we're just waiting for tests for that | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: big changes in the client? | 15:31 |
| maksimov | can we align 1.x vs 2.x with use of v1 vs v2 perhaps? | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | maksimov: I don't think we need to do that | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | the client we have already supports both apis | 15:32 |
| maksimov | will it support both? | 15:32 |
| sandywalsh | dhellmann, possibly all over (I'm thinking the new data types if we go that route) | 15:32 |
| eglynn | maksimov: other clients support multple API versions at once | 15:32 |
| maksimov | oh ok | 15:32 |
| eglynn | maksimov: e.g. glance --os-api-version 2 | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: those sorts of changes would mean a v3 api, it sounds like. a client 2.0 could support the new api, right? | 15:32 |
| sandywalsh | but, we can't worry about what "might be coming" ... we just have to put a mark in the ground. | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: +1000 | 15:32 |
| sandywalsh | version 1 to me says "it's ready for production" | 15:32 |
| sandywalsh | is cm ready for production would you say? | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | the client is as ready as the rest of it :-)( | 15:33 |
| * dhellmann is channelling nijaba with typos today | 15:33 | |
| nealph | I have a bug on the install...https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1118780 | 15:33 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1118780 in python-ceilometerclient "The ceilometer python client fails install due to required packages" [Undecided,New] | 15:33 |
| sandywalsh | I think that's core's call if it's ready for the big dance | 15:33 |
| sandywalsh | version 1 also means "we're locking stuff down" | 15:34 |
| nealph | Any chance to see that resolved before the rev to 1.0? | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | nealph: that looks like a bug in the ubuntu package of the client, not the client itself, right? | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | IOW, if we push a package to pypi, someone could install it from there | 15:34 |
| nealph | Yep, I'd say. | 15:35 |
| nealph | Willing to try it there, sure. | 15:35 |
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| dhellmann | ok, so it sounds like we mostly agree to use 1.0 and we want to wait for yolanda's fix to be merged before the release | 15:36 |
| eglynn | cool | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | #agreed we need https://review.openstack.org/23549 merged before releasing the client | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | #agreed use semantic versioning, starting with 1.0.0 | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | #topic Planning to attend the ODS | 15:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Planning to attend the ODS (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:37 | |
| dhellmann | so, who will be in portland in April? | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:37 |
| eglynn | o/ | 15:37 |
| sandywalsh | o/ | 15:37 |
| n0ano | o/ | 15:37 |
| eglynn | asalkeld: o/ | 15:37 |
| llu-laptop | I planned to, but waiting for my visa | 15:37 |
| maksimov | what's the sign for possibly? | 15:37 |
| sandywalsh | (and 3 more of us from RAX that are working on CM) | 15:37 |
| Divakar | will be in portland in April | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | maksimov: "possibly" :-) | 15:38 |
| maksimov | so that ^^ | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | ok, good | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | I think we talked last week about trying to get together for dinner one evening, and we're just waiting for the official schedule so we can decide which party to skip :-) | 15:38 |
| DanD | o/ | 15:38 |
| danspraggins | o/ for portland as well. | 15:39 |
| nealph | didn't get approval to travel, so DanD will have to represent. | 15:39 |
| shengjie | o/ | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | nealph: do you know if they're going to have webex and irc in the rooms again? | 15:39 |
| * sandywalsh has to jump off ... good luck with the release all | 15:39 | |
| eglynn | there are ~15 ceilo sessions proposed so far ... http://summit.openstack.org | 15:39 |
| nealph | Hoping so... | 15:40 |
| gordc | possibly... if budget gets approved... so in other words.. no. | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | gordc: :-( | 15:40 |
| dragondm | o/ | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | ok, let's talk sessions | 15:40 |
| nealph | But not sure. Who can find out? | 15:40 |
| eglynn | so maybe we'll end up needing a second day ... | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | #topic Submitting ODS sessions & blueprints | 15:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Submitting ODS sessions & blueprints (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:40 | |
| dhellmann | Please remember to submit summit sessions for any blueprints you want worked on during Havana | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | #link http://summit.openstack.org/ | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | are there any topics that you think need to be discussed, but that you're not comfortable proposing as a session leader? | 15:41 |
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| dhellmann | FWIW, if you want a topic, that doesn't imply that you have a solution already | 15:41 |
| Divakar | I am submitting a session on ceilometer and healthnmon integration | 15:41 |
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| dhellmann | Divakar: excellent | 15:42 |
| llu-laptop | Divakar: looking forward to that | 15:42 |
| shanewang | healthnmon for sure:) | 15:42 |
| shengjie | Divakar:this is a good one! | 15:42 |
| n0ano | Divakar, +1 | 15:42 |
| Divakar | great | 15:42 |
| epende | Region and availability zone support | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | epende: I believe there is a session that covers those... | 15:42 |
| llu-laptop | nova-cell? | 15:43 |
| eglynn | there's one on cells http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/63 | 15:43 |
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| dhellmann | the blueprint for http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/75 mentions them | 15:44 |
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| nealph | epende: we also have a touch of that in our "advanced billing models" session http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/79 | 15:44 |
| shengjie | can someone remind me again the deadline for suggesting topics? | 15:45 |
| eglynn | end of moth | 15:45 |
| eglynn | *month | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | I did notice what I thought was a bit of overlap in some of the topic areas, so everyone please review the list with that in mind, too. | 15:45 |
| eglynn | shengjie: (but the sooner the better) | 15:46 |
| shengjie | eglynn: thanks | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | we will have limited space and time, so if we can combine sessions that will help ensure everyone's ideas are heard | 15:46 |
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| DanD | what is the process for combining sessions when there is overlap? | 15:46 |
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| eglynn | PTL knocks heads together? | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | DanD: approach the other proposer and get agreement, then tell nijaba (or the new PTL) | 15:47 |
| llu-laptop | is zehndton around? Do you want to talk about the physical monitoring? | 15:47 |
| zehndton | here | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | I think the PTL has a way to either merge or close sessions in the tool | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | speaking of merging sessions... | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | #topic Planning ODS sessions with other teams | 15:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Planning ODS sessions with other teams (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:47 | |
| dhellmann | I thought it would be a good idea to approach the documentation and QA teams for help getting started working with them, now that we are integrated. Any thoughts? | 15:48 |
| Divakar | healthnmon covers the model and approach for physical server monitoring... | 15:48 |
| eglynn | yep, definitely a good idea to talk to the tempest folks | 15:48 |
| shanewang | integrate ceilometer into tempest and CI? | 15:49 |
| shanewang | that is a good idea, I think. | 15:49 |
| dhellmann | we're already doing CI, but tempest, yes | 15:49 |
| shengjie | Divakar: monitoring wise, i meant to ask what's the stories with all the synaps bps ? | 15:49 |
| llu-laptop | I've created a bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/more-qa-test, but no input there | 15:49 |
| Divakar | shengjie: got it | 15:49 |
| dhellmann | llu-laptop: do you want to propose a session, too? | 15:49 |
| eglynn | shengjie: we looking at a different mor elightweight approach that synaps | 15:50 |
| * dhellmann reminds everyone that you must create a session proposal separately from the blueprint | 15:50 | |
| eglynn | s/that/than/ | 15:50 |
| llu-laptop | I'm not confident holding the tempest session, i think we should contact the qa team first | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | llu-laptop: well, the idea would be to have that conversation there in the room together :-) | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | I can lead the session, if you would prefer | 15:50 |
| llu-laptop | dhellman: great | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann propose an ODS session for tempest integration | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | does anyone want to approach the documentation team? | 15:51 |
| shengjie | eglynn:k, i'll take it offline with u :) | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | also, do we want to see if the heat team would like to participate in these sessions? | 15:51 |
| Divakar | healthnmon with tempest would that be of interest? | 15:52 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: yep, we need to tie down the alarming/heat interaction model | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | Divakar: you can propose the session, but I suspect we'll want to wait until healthnmon is incorporated into ceilometer in some fashion to start doing that | 15:52 |
| eglynn | (though that may occur in adavnce of the summit) | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: I mean specifically the doc and tempest sessions | 15:52 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: a-ha, got it | 15:53 |
| Divakar | dhellmann: sure | 15:53 |
| dhellmann | both teams would benefit from the instruction, so save the doc and qa team's time | 15:53 |
| eglynn | agreed | 15:53 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: can you talk to heat? | 15:53 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: yep | 15:53 |
| dhellmann | #action eglynn invite heat team to participate in doc and qa sessions at ODS | 15:53 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann approach documentation team about a joint session at ODS | 15:54 |
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| dhellmann | OK, getting close to end of time | 15:54 |
| dhellmann | #topic PTL elections | 15:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTL elections (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:54 | |
| dhellmann | We have 2, I think, candidates now (jd__ and eglynn). | 15:54 |
| dhellmann | If anyone else is planning to run, I think the deadline for announcing is coming up | 15:54 |
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| dhellmann | #topic Open discussion | 15:55 |
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| nealph | who would know we will have webex or similar access to the ODS | 15:55 |
| dhellmann | nealph: ttx may know, but it might be too early to tell | 15:55 |
| eglynn | stefano perhaps? | 15:55 |
| dhellmann | last time they did announce it on the mailing list, IIRC | 15:55 |
| nealph | okay, will be watching for it...will wait a couple of weeks before asking around. | 15:56 |
| dhellmann | good plan | 15:56 |
| dhellmann | is there anything else for today? | 15:57 |
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| shanewang | is there any daylight saving time in US since next week? any impact for meetings? | 15:57 |
| dragondm | 3/10 | 15:57 |
| dragondm | er 4/10 | 15:57 |
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| nealph | 3/10. Time changes for most US. | 15:57 |
| * dragondm is confused | 15:57 | |
| dhellmann | shanewang: the official meeting times are UTC, which doesn't have DST | 15:57 |
| shanewang | ok | 15:57 |
| dhellmann | so, do the time conversion for the date of the meeting, and you *should* get the right answer :-) | 15:58 |
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| dhellmann | I have 2 more things | 15:58 |
| dhellmann | 1: Is anyone going to PyCon? | 15:58 |
| dhellmann | that's PyCon US, next week | 15:58 |
| dhellmann | 2: We have 13 changesets in the queue. Please review! | 15:58 |
| llu-laptop | i think most of them are blocked by the oslo.config | 15:59 |
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| dhellmann | llu-laptop: yeah, I think your fix will unblock that. did you see my comment? | 15:59 |
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| llu-laptop | dhellman: I've updated patch 3. | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | llu-laptop: ok, I'll go look and fast-track approve it to unblock the queue | 16:00 |
| * dhellmann is planning to help with the common requirements project next release to avoid these issues | 16:00 | |
| dhellmann | so, nobody is going to pycon? | 16:00 |
| eglynn | nope, sadly ... | 16:00 |
| dragondm | alas. | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | ah, well | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | ok, I think our time is up | 16:01 |
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| dhellmann | thanks for a good meeting, everyone! | 16:01 |
| maksimov | thanks | 16:01 |
| eglynn | thanks all! | 16:01 |
| graflu0 | thanks | 16:01 |
| shanewang | thanks and bye | 16:01 |
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| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 7 16:01:46 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-03-07-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-03-07-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-03-07-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
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| jaypipes | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 7 17:00:19 2013 UTC. The chair is jaypipes. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| jaypipes | Good morning/evening QAers. | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | morning | 17:00 |
| mlavalle | hi | 17:00 |
| andreaf | hi | 17:00 |
| malini | hello! | 17:00 |
| dwalleck | howdy | 17:00 |
| jaypipes | sorry for missing last week's meeting... | 17:01 |
| jaypipes | Been pleased to see a bunch of progress in code reviews and new test pushes. | 17:01 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: around? | 17:01 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Just back. | 17:01 |
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| jaypipes | sdague: around? | 17:01 |
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| jaypipes | rohitk: evening. | 17:02 |
| rohitk | jaypipes: morning :) | 17:02 |
| jaypipes | OK, so dhellmann mentioned a proposed design summit session that I thought was a great idea... | 17:02 |
| sdague | jaypipes: yes | 17:02 |
| donaldngo_hp | hello all | 17:02 |
| jaypipes | #topic Getting Started with Tempest design summit session | 17:02 |
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| jaypipes | donaldngo_hp, sdague: mornin. | 17:03 |
| sdague | oh, right meeting :) | 17:03 |
| jaypipes | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/havana-adding-projects-to-tempest | 17:03 |
| chunwang | hi | 17:03 |
| jaypipes | Basic point of the session is to help Ceilometer and Heat folks get familiar with Tempest and help them start to add integration tests for Ceilo and Heat | 17:03 |
| jaypipes | Which of course I think is a great idea! | 17:04 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Yes, looks good. But first *we* need to decide what a smoke test is :) | 17:04 |
| jaypipes | But, naturally, there's a bit of a learning curve for new projects learning how Tempest does things, and this session should help in that regard | 17:04 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: lol, indeed. could have a whole sesion on that ;) | 17:04 |
| rohitk | and Tempest has been shaping up quite awesome in the last six months for more contributions | 17:04 |
| donaldngo_hp | jaypipes: would be good for new comers to tempest as well | 17:04 |
| jaypipes | FYI, design summit proposal is here: | 17:05 |
| jaypipes | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/87 | 17:05 |
| jaypipes | donaldngo_hp: yup, totally. | 17:05 |
| sdague | jaypipes: I agree, intro to tempest would be great | 17:05 |
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| sdague | do we have an idea on how long our track is going to be? | 17:05 |
| sdague | or the track structures in general | 17:05 |
| jaypipes | donaldngo_hp: and I think that it would be really useful to devote at least half the session time to the final bullet point on the page... a walk through of adding real test cases for Ceilo and Heat | 17:05 |
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| jaypipes | that way we give those teams a good start | 17:06 |
| jaypipes | ravikumar_hp: morning :) | 17:06 |
| davidkranz | sdague: "Intro to Tempest" could be on a non-design-summit track | 17:06 |
| ravikumar_hp | good morning Jay | 17:06 |
| sdague | davidkranz: it could be, but that's closed | 17:06 |
| jaypipes | sdague: no constraints, AFAIC | 17:06 |
| donaldngo_hp | jaypipes: yea maybe get a test checked in, reviewed, and merged into tempest if possible in that session | 17:06 |
| sdague | jaypipes: ok cool | 17:07 |
| sdague | it's been one of those weeks where I've not been able to spend any time doing "real work" | 17:07 |
| jaypipes | donaldngo_hp: yup, we could even break things into a double session, with the first part a more formal walkthrough of the existing tempest layout and concepts and the following session be actually constructing the first couple test cases for each project. | 17:07 |
| jaypipes | sdague: heh, understood :) | 17:07 |
| donaldngo_hp | jaypipes++ | 17:08 |
| mlavalle | jaypipes: ++ | 17:08 |
| sdague | could we decide next week's QA meeting is a design summit planning one, and give everyone a couple of days to propose remaining ideas for it? | 17:08 |
| andreaf | jaypipes: +1 it's a good idea to have a formal walkthrough | 17:08 |
| sdague | then we can figure out what's missing from the track that we really should have | 17:08 |
| donaldngo_hp | we'll have to wait around for the jenkins run to complete 30-40 minutes | 17:08 |
| jaypipes | andreaf: yeah, I think so too, so we have at least some material to save and publish uip on openstack.org for interested parties in the future. | 17:08 |
| jaypipes | sdague: yes, totally. I think that's a great idea. | 17:09 |
| davidkranz | sdague: Sounds good. | 17:09 |
| jaypipes | #action jaypipes to send out email to dev and QA list for input on QA track and pointing to next week as the meeting to finalize | 17:09 |
| malini | Pardon my ignorance..But is Tempest going to be/is the framework for individual projects tests as well ? | 17:09 |
| andreaf | jaypipes: do we have a starting point already for such documentation / session? | 17:09 |
| jaypipes | malini: integration tests, not unit tests. | 17:09 |
| jaypipes | andreaf: https://etherpad.openstack.org/havana-adding-projects-to-tempest | 17:10 |
| sdague | malini: right, unit tests go back in the project trees directly | 17:10 |
| rohitk | jaypipes: I just added a section in there that I feel could be documented | 17:10 |
| jaypipes | rohitk: excellent, thx :) | 17:10 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I think malini question is relevant. | 17:10 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Most of the tempest tests are actually functional regression tests. | 17:10 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: There is more overlap with unit tests than would be ideal. | 17:11 |
| davidkranz | I discussed this with ayoung in the context of new keystone tests. | 17:11 |
| sdague | davidkranz: yeh, well I think that's design summit topic material as well | 17:11 |
| davidkranz | sdague: Agreed. | 17:11 |
| sdague | in reality new comers need to realize we haven't figured this all out yet :) | 17:11 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: I view them as functional integration tests because Tempest isn't mocking or assuming anything about the environment... it's just testing that the environment you run it against functions appropraiatyely. | 17:11 |
| sdague | so we'll have some guidelines on the good kinds of stuff to day | 17:11 |
| dwalleck | jaypipes: ++ | 17:12 |
| sdague | to add... that should be | 17:12 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: I agree about the overlap of regression testing and unit tests, true. | 17:12 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: if you are referring to negative tests currently in tempest | 17:12 |
| ayoung | We have a couple needs/process improvements we can do on this | 17:12 |
| malini | sdague: tht is good to know :) I am an openstack newbie & was having a hard time figuring out the Openstack way of doing QA | 17:12 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Yes, and also that as both unit tests and tempest tests try to become more complete there is potential wasted effort. | 17:13 |
| jaypipes | malini: embrace the chaos :) | 17:13 |
| sdague | malini: yeh, we evolve it over time to get better on each release | 17:13 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: completely agreed. | 17:13 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I will put in a summit topic for this. | 17:13 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: I was going to recommend that, thank you. | 17:13 |
| sdague | ok, so lets table the rest of this for next week - for summit discussions | 17:13 |
| jaypipes | ++ | 17:13 |
| jaypipes | sdague: you lead, sir. | 17:13 |
| sdague | what about things we need to get on top of right now? like important reviews or bugs | 17:13 |
| jaypipes | sdague: since I was absent last week, please go ahead and lead the meeting, since I've been away from reviews. | 17:14 |
| jaypipes | sdague: sorry to put you on the spot :( | 17:14 |
| donaldngo_hp | can we get this blueprint approved: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/update-expected-exception-tests | 17:14 |
| sdague | oooff, as have I most of the week. :) anyway... what about the v3 keystone tests? | 17:14 |
| jaypipes | sdague: shall we consider donaldngo_hp's BP first? | 17:15 |
| sdague | there were some tests in the queue, but they changed v2 to v3, so dropped v2 testing | 17:15 |
| sdague | sure | 17:15 |
| jaypipes | I personally have no problems supporting the BP. Glad to see agreement on doing exception assertions. | 17:15 |
| sdague | I'm +1 on that blueprint | 17:15 |
| ravikumar_hp | sdague: we are following folders - V2 & v3 | 17:15 |
| jaypipes | OK, ghow about this... does anyone OBJECT to the above blueprint? | 17:16 |
| jaypipes | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/update-expected-exception-tests | 17:16 |
| rohitk | ravikumar_hp: Is this also going to remove the usage of the exception decorators? | 17:16 |
| jaypipes | donaldngo_hp: ^^ | 17:16 |
| sdague | rohitk: can you give an example? | 17:16 |
| jaypipes | sdague: rohitk is asking whether the @raises decorator is going away. | 17:17 |
| donaldngo_hp | yea what would be an example | 17:17 |
| rohitk | jaypipes: right | 17:17 |
| donaldngo_hp | this blueprint basically reduces 4+ lines of code into 1 | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | rohitk: do we have raises decorators in tempest? | 17:17 |
| rohitk | I was interested to know if we should follow a standard practice | 17:17 |
| jaypipes | donaldngo_hp: nah... rohitk is asking about the third way we currently assert exceptions, which is using the @raises unittest2/nose decorator | 17:17 |
| sdague | rohitk: is that used somewhere? | 17:18 |
| rohitk | sdague: I haven't checked lately, but just recollecting, do correct me if they're already removed | 17:18 |
| sdague | rohitk: they aren't in there that I can see | 17:18 |
| davidkranz | Ditto. | 17:18 |
| rohitk | sdague: that's great then, thanks for correcting | 17:18 |
| sdague | I think donaldngo_hp's bp is a good cleanup | 17:18 |
| rohitk | +1 | 17:18 |
| sdague | and the right direction | 17:18 |
| donaldngo_hp | maybe we can enforce this through tox of having a singlular way of doing exception assertions? | 17:19 |
| sdague | I could see us doing additional things after that, but let's get this cleanup done | 17:19 |
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| jaypipes | OK, sounds like an approve, then? shall I approve it? | 17:19 |
| donaldngo_hp | for future code submissions | 17:19 |
| sdague | jamespage: +2 | 17:19 |
| sdague | jaypipes: +2 | 17:19 |
| jaypipes | done. | 17:19 |
| jaypipes | donaldngo_hp: go for it, man :) | 17:19 |
| donaldngo_hp | my guys can take care of this please assign it to me | 17:19 |
| donaldngo_hp | cant seem to edit it | 17:20 |
| sdague | donaldngo_hp: yeh, lets focus on things that we can do near term. Too often we come up with bigger plans that don't get done, this one is really straight forward, which is nice | 17:20 |
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| jaypipes | donaldngo_hp: done. | 17:20 |
| donaldngo_hp | cool | 17:20 |
| jaypipes | #topic Keystone tests v2/v3 | 17:20 |
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| donaldngo_hp | sdague: agreed | 17:20 |
| jaypipes | sdague: you had a q for ravikumar_hp | 17:20 |
| sdague | yeh, ravikumar_hp, you are going to redo the patches with supporting both versions of the api, right? | 17:21 |
| sdague | that was the major complaint on the previous versoin | 17:21 |
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| ravikumar_hp | sdague: yes. Based on the review feedback , going to resubmit | 17:21 |
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| sdague | ok, great | 17:22 |
| ravikumar_hp | that supports both V2 & v3 | 17:22 |
| sdague | so I'm good on that, once we see the new reviews | 17:22 |
| jaypipes | alrighty. | 17:23 |
| sdague | maurosr / mtreinish: you guys have the link to the list of needed tests? | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | sdague: this one https://etherpad.openstack.org/MissingTempestTests | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | ? | 17:23 |
| sdague | yep | 17:23 |
| dolphm | i don't follow all the tempest reviews, but would appreciate being added to anything relevant :) | 17:23 |
| sdague | that's worth sharing around for people looking for easy stuff | 17:23 |
| sdague | dolphm: awesome, will do | 17:23 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: I think everything currently on it is covered or invalid | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | except for some xml tests | 17:24 |
| sdague | mtreinish: ok, I guess we need some more generation :) | 17:24 |
| jaypipes | ++ | 17:25 |
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| sdague | ok, honestly, that was much topic list :) sorry for not being more organized this week | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I put a link for a quick howto on the top of that page | 17:25 |
| donaldngo_hp | i thought there was going to be a write up on how to generate this document? | 17:25 |
| jaypipes | mtreinish: ty, very useful. | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | donaldngo_hp: https://etherpad.openstack.org/CoverageAnalysisHowto it's on the top of that missing test list | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | donaldngo_hp: honestly it's pretty straightforward, just a bit time consuming | 17:26 |
| jaypipes | We need to do similar for Keystone and Quantum, IMHO... but I believe it would need to be manual, right mtreinish, since those projects do not include the coverage middleware, IIRC | 17:26 |
| sdague | right, that's a good thing to float in maybe a cross project track at summit | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | jaypipes: yeah, the coverage extension is only on nova | 17:27 |
| jaypipes | kk | 17:27 |
| donaldngo_hp | mtreinish: thanks, I'll try to give it a go through and update the etherpad. how often should we do this? | 17:27 |
| sdague | as it would be nice to get something like the coverage extension into the other projects for thiat | 17:27 |
| jaypipes | right | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | donaldngo_hp: not very frequently, it shouldnt change that much once we get good coverage | 17:28 |
| jaypipes | mtreinish: lol, at the rate the upstream projects add new stuff... ;) | 17:28 |
| sdague | heheh | 17:28 |
| sdague | yeh, we only added 20 extensions to nova this cycle :P | 17:28 |
| jaypipes | right :) | 17:29 |
| jaypipes | there are a bunch of quantum-related reviews in the queue.. | 17:29 |
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| sdague | oh, quantum's a good topic. It would be nice if we could get some engagement from that team to get full tempest functional | 17:30 |
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| jaypipes | sdague: I've seen a few folks talking -- mnewby and a few others -- but it still seems like full tests are a ways away. | 17:30 |
| sdague | yeh | 17:30 |
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| sdague | maybe for summit we try to get a tempest session in the quantum track? | 17:31 |
| sdague | drive the conversation over there | 17:31 |
| jaypipes | sdague: probably a good idea, yes. | 17:31 |
| mlavalle | sdague: I attend the Quantum meeting every week. I will birng the proposal up next Monday | 17:31 |
| sdague | mlavalle: thanks! | 17:32 |
| jaypipes | mlavalle: thx! | 17:32 |
| jaypipes | OK, well besides open reviews, which we all need to get to, are there any other open topics folks wish to discuss? | 17:32 |
| jaypipes | #topic Open discussion | 17:32 |
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| * jaypipes wonders how the runtime is doing? | 17:33 | |
| ravikumar_hp | jaypipes: can we add tests for incubated projects | 17:33 |
| ravikumar_hp | like DbaaS | 17:33 |
| sdague | jaypipes: on sec, I can tell you | 17:33 |
| jaypipes | ravikumar_hp: DBaaS is incubated? | 17:33 |
| ravikumar_hp | of course separate folders . | 17:33 |
| sdague | ravikumar_hp: yeh, I don't think it's incubated | 17:33 |
| sdague | so I'd say we stay away from that for now | 17:34 |
| ravikumar_hp | I am not sure . Reddwardf , and Atlas LbaaS | 17:34 |
| jaypipes | ravikumar_hp: Atlas surely is not... it's essentially being replaced with Quantum LBaaS | 17:34 |
| sdague | until it's in the incubation path formally, I don't think we should be putting things in tempest | 17:34 |
| sdague | there is only so much review time to go around | 17:34 |
| davidkranz | sdague: Agreed, unless a project member wants to step forward. | 17:34 |
| jaypipes | ravikumar_hp: I'd say doing it for DBaaS would only be slightly easier since it is, AFAIK, able to be setup via Devstack. | 17:35 |
| jaypipes | ravikumar_hp: that said, I don't really feel like making the undertaking on that until incubation is formal | 17:35 |
| sdague | davidkranz: even if they do, we have to put some bounds on it, because the core team still needs to take responsibility for code in tempest | 17:35 |
| jaypipes | like sdague said, only so much time... | 17:35 |
| ravikumar_hp | okay . we will wait | 17:35 |
| sdague | jaypipes: runtime is about the same 35 - 40 mins on the hp cloud nodes | 17:36 |
| jaypipes | sdague: kk | 17:36 |
| jaypipes | sdague: are we not yet doing parallel testr runs? | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | sdague: what about the rackspace cloud? | 17:36 |
| sdague | we are not | 17:36 |
| jaypipes | chris yeoh still working on that? | 17:36 |
| sdague | mtreinish: rackspace isn't in the pool right now | 17:36 |
| jaypipes | mtreinish: it's similar it seems | 17:36 |
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| jaypipes | sdague: no? | 17:37 |
| jaypipes | interesting... when did that happen? | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ok | 17:37 |
| sdague | jaypipes: so in order to do tempest parallel sanely, we need to get to central resource management | 17:37 |
| jaypipes | sdague: yup. | 17:37 |
| sdague | so that's mostly going to be design summit discussions to figure out how we finish it | 17:37 |
| jaypipes | sdague: ok. | 17:37 |
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| jaypipes | sdague: though having tests run entirely in their own tenant should enable parallel execution, no? | 17:38 |
| sdague | between now and then we're trying to refactor so things like the create_server / create_image calls go to some central resource allocation / deallocation points | 17:38 |
| sdague | jaypipes: it could, but it won't be faster | 17:38 |
| jaypipes | sdague: how so? | 17:38 |
| sdague | because of the amount of work we do in setUpClass | 17:38 |
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| sdague | and testr splits at the test level, not the class level | 17:39 |
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| jaypipes | sdague: right, I understand that part | 17:39 |
| sdague | it's a devils in the details thing | 17:39 |
| jaypipes | ya | 17:39 |
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| sdague | so if we do some progressive refactoring of the resource allocators, so we get them all to a couple of central points | 17:39 |
| afazekas | We could give an additional chance to nose parallel. | 17:39 |
| sdague | we can then use those to build our own testr "scheduler" | 17:39 |
| sdague | which will give us the optimizing we need | 17:40 |
| jaypipes | k | 17:40 |
| sdague | which, honestly, is sane regardless, because we'll have central cleanup | 17:40 |
| jaypipes | afazekas: you are welcome to show a POC for that. I tried three times and ran into bugs in nose each time. | 17:40 |
| sdague | yeh, the reality is moving the resource allocations to common paths will help any solution | 17:40 |
| sdague | and then figured we could hash out the last bits in person at summit | 17:41 |
| jaypipes | sure | 17:41 |
| sdague | so, sadly, the promiss of having it for grizzly was not true | 17:41 |
| afazekas | jaypipes: Ok | 17:41 |
| sdague | but havana-1 seems doable | 17:42 |
| jaypipes | sdague: underpromise... overdeliver. | 17:42 |
| jaypipes | sdague: let's say Havana final ;) | 17:42 |
| sdague | heh | 17:42 |
| sdague | sure | 17:42 |
| jaypipes | OK, any other topics before we break? | 17:43 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Nope. | 17:43 |
| sdague | not from me | 17:43 |
| jaypipes | OK, folks have a good one. I'll start on the email about next week's meeting and the design summit. | 17:44 |
| jaypipes | #endmeeting | 17:44 |
| ravikumar_hp | nope | 17:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 7 17:44:07 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-03-07-17.00.html | 17:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-03-07-17.00.txt | 17:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-03-07-17.00.log.html | 17:44 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 7 18:00:06 2013 UTC. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | good morning OSSG | 18:00 |
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| bdpayne | Unfortunately, I've been sick this past week and didn't make progress on my action items from last week | 18:01 |
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| bdpayne | So, I will take those as action items for next week… and hopefully actually get them done this time around | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | are there OSSG people present? | 18:03 |
| mtesauro | I'm not sure who else is here from OSSG but I posted a tool to help with API testing | 18:03 |
| lglenden | I'm here | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | excellent, good morning guys (and gals) | 18:03 |
| rellerreller | I'm sort of here. Attending two meetings at once. | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | mtesauro can you tell us more about your tool? | 18:04 |
| mtesauro | Its a simple wrapper for curl which allows you to put common arguments and API endpoints into a config so you curl commands are WAY shorter. | 18:04 |
| mtesauro | +link https://github.com/mtesauro/jerry-curl | 18:04 |
| estebang9 | good morning from cansec | 18:04 |
| mtesauro | there are pre-compiled binaries for Linux, OSX, FreeBSD and Windows at http://appseclive.org/apt/jerry-curl/ | 18:05 |
| mtesauro | 32 and 64 bit | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | nifty… that looks nice | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | you thinking of using that to stress test service endpoints? | 18:05 |
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| mtesauro | I find myself doing doing 1 off API calls and got tired of all that typing. | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | ha, yeah I agree | 18:06 |
| mtesauro | @stress-testing - you certainly could do that | 18:06 |
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| bdpayne | I'll pass this around… I know others that might like it | 18:06 |
| mtesauro | Feel free to share as widely as you like | 18:06 |
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| bdpayne | estebang9 how is cansec? | 18:07 |
| estebang9 | good stuff. there will be some interesting cloud sec talks later (Oded). | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | cool, perhaps you could give us a summary of the good stuff next week? | 18:08 |
| noslzzp | I'm here. | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | I bet that would be of general interest to the group here | 18:08 |
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| estebang9 | definitely. | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | great, thanks | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | #action estebang9 to provide cansec summary to OSSG meeting on Mar 14 | 18:09 |
| estebang9 | :) | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | so, there's a few things worth discussing today | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | I'm thinking hardening guide and rbac… anything else? | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | #topic hardening guide | 18:10 |
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| bdpayne | this will be a brief topic today | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | basically, I'm supposed to convert the guide to markdown | 18:10 |
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| bdpayne | I was curious if anyone could point me to a nice long doc written in markdown that I could use as a guide | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | or, alternatively, if there's someone that would be interested in doing the conversion | 18:11 |
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| noslzzp | i can help with the conversion. | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | noslzzp thanks | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | the content in there right now is basically just following the (old) outline | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | so perhaps a PR to move the repo to markdown with the new outline | 18:12 |
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| bdpayne | seems like the right next step | 18:12 |
| noslzzp | Indeed. | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | #action noslzzp to put up PR for converting guide to markdown | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | btw, did you guys see http://docs.openstack.org/ops/ ? | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | they wrote a book in 5 days | 18:13 |
| noslzzp | Yes. | 18:13 |
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| noslzzp | What's our problem? :) | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | heh, I know! | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | this has actually motivated me a bit… I'm open to suggestions on how we might be able to move ahead like this | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | or even if a full out documentation sprint effort would be useful here | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | would people be interested in taking a week to travel somewhere and focus exclusively on this hardening guide during that time to basically knock out v1? | 18:14 |
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| bdpayne | I'll take the silence as a no | 18:15 |
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| bdpayne | but I remain open to creative ideas here :-) | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | ok… I'd like to chat about rbac a little too | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | #topic rbac | 18:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rbac (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 18:16 | |
| bdpayne | Last week when I mentioned rbac, there seemed to be some interest | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | I wanted to pick your brains a little more | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | how do you imagine rbac in openstack being useful to you? | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | I'd like to hear different takes to help define how we move forward here | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | I work primarily with private clouds… and I'm interested in RBAC for allowing for a smoother integration between the cloud and the existing enterprise… for example putting controls on which users can get certain floating IPs or which users can launch certain images, etc | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | what do you guys think about when you are thinking rbac? | 18:18 |
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| bdpayne | any thoughts? | 18:20 |
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| mtesauro | If you had a decent amount of cloud server spun up, you could have the "marketing" group manage one set, the "sales" group another... I would allow handing out cloud resources to be more like normal IT | 18:20 |
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| mtesauro | Same for any part of OpenStack | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | so are you thinking of actually dividing up the physical compute nodes? | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | or just providing better isolation between projects? | 18:21 |
| noslzzp | my thinking is more along the infrastructure and enforcing/restricting certain interactions. | 18:21 |
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| bdpayne | noslzzp can you be more specific? | 18:22 |
| noslzzp | maybe. | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | heh | 18:23 |
| mtesauro | I assume it would be isolation - I saw the RBAC thing at the last OpenStack and that type of thing was what popped into my mind | 18:23 |
| noslzzp | For example, if the hypervisor was secured, we could use RBAC to verify that the scheduler is authorized to talk to it and what functions are allowed to be invoked. | 18:23 |
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| bdpayne | interesting | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | noslzzp I think that bridges into some of the trusted compute pools work as well… certainly an area I like as well | 18:24 |
| noslzzp | yes. | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | anyway, this is all helpful | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | I'll continue trying to form some thoughts here and figure out how to best more forward in this space | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | as always, I'm open to suggestions / input | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | I'll try to have something more concrete by next week | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | #action bdpayne to continue work on rbac | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | #topic final words | 18:25 |
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| bdpayne | any other thoughts for today? | 18:26 |
| noslzzp | yes.. | 18:26 |
| noslzzp | I'm interested in the documentation sprint idea.. | 18:26 |
| noslzzp | Nothing more. :) | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | ok, nice | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | well, I'll explore that a bit more | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | #action bdpayne to explore documentation sprint idea | 18:27 |
| lglenden | there's a thread on the dev mailing list on key management that may be of interest | 18:27 |
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| lglenden | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-March/006425.html | 18:27 |
| mtesauro | link? | 18:27 |
| mtesauro | thanks | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | indeed, thanks lglenden | 18:27 |
| annegentle | bdpayne: I can talk a little bit about what it good to get the book sprint | 18:28 |
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| annegentle | er good/took | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | annegentle thanks, I'll touch base via email | 18:28 |
| annegentle | bdpayne: sounds good | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | ok, thanks everyone… I think that's all for today | 18:29 |
| noslzzp | thanks. | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 7 18:29:25 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-03-07-18.00.html | 18:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-03-07-18.00.txt | 18:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-03-07-18.00.log.html | 18:29 |
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| * russellb waves | 21:00 | |
| dansmith | yo | 21:00 |
| alexpilotti | hi guys | 21:00 |
| dripton | hi | 21:00 |
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| boris-42 | Hi | 21:00 |
| russellb | vishy: around? | 21:00 |
| * Vek yawns | 21:01 | |
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| devananda | \o | 21:02 |
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| * beagles waves | 21:02 | |
| krtaylor | o/ | 21:03 |
| russellb | hm, no vishy, guess we can start | 21:03 |
| dansmith | oye, are we going to discuss how to increase the number of hours in the day? | 21:03 |
| dansmith | I really want to get going on that | 21:03 |
| russellb | hopefully he can jump in :) | 21:03 |
| russellb | dansmith: +1 | 21:03 |
| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 7 21:03:43 2013 UTC. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:03 |
| russellb | #chair vishy | 21:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: russellb vishy | 21:03 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 21:03 |
| russellb | as you can see on the link, we have no agenda \o/ | 21:04 |
| russellb | nap time | 21:04 |
| Vek | dansmith: actually, that's easy; just move to a planet with a slower rotation rate... | 21:04 |
| russellb | I suppose topic of most immediate interest is grizzly-rc1 | 21:04 |
| dansmith | Vek: can I ride with you? | 21:04 |
| russellb | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/grizzly-rc1 | 21:04 |
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| russellb | One thing worth mentioning is the backportable db migrations blueprint that we had on here, that has been removed | 21:05 |
| russellb | vishy realized there was a problem with the plan to merge blank migrations at the end of grizzly and that right thing to do was to merge the blank ones when havana opens | 21:05 |
| Vek | dansmith: If you'll buy the fuel, sure :) | 21:05 |
| russellb | so we just need to make sure we get his patch merged first in havana, before any other migrations | 21:05 |
| vishy | hi | 21:05 |
| russellb | vishy: hi! was just trying to recap the migrations thing ... *hands it over* | 21:06 |
| vishy | no go ahead | 21:06 |
| vishy | :) | 21:06 |
| Vek | the migrations thing makes me wish we had alembic in... | 21:06 |
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| russellb | k, well i think that was about it, unless anyone wants to dive into why | 21:06 |
| dripton | Vek +1 | 21:06 |
| russellb | yeah, but at least this gives us *something* for grizzly | 21:07 |
| Vek | oh, I'll grant you that | 21:07 |
| dripton | Vek: I'm planning to shove Alembic down various throats at the summit. | 21:07 |
| russellb | ha | 21:07 |
| russellb | dripton: didn't you have a patch that had it working or close to it? | 21:07 |
| Vek | dripton: cool :) | 21:07 |
| Vek | wish I could be there, especially now that there's sessions on quotas proposed :/ | 21:07 |
| russellb | i guess what you had done was work on auto converting existing migrations? | 21:07 |
| dripton | russellb: yes, but it's only a 90% solution. The other 10% is a lot of work. | 21:08 |
| russellb | Vek: duuuuuuude, you were missed last time, not going again? :( | 21:08 |
| Vek | yeah, RS isn't sending me this time either. | 21:08 |
| Vek | (I don't like flying commercial anyway, but it's about a 14 hour trip if I try to fly it on my own...) | 21:09 |
| russellb | To all employers: if you have someone on whatever-core, you need to send them to the design summit. that is all. | 21:09 |
| Vek | heh. | 21:09 |
| Vek | to be fair, if I had proposed a session on quotas myself, they probably would have sent me. | 21:09 |
| russellb | Vek: what if you propose a design summit session :) | 21:09 |
| Vek | heh :) | 21:10 |
| russellb | so rc1 | 21:10 |
| russellb | just one critical bug and comstud is all over it | 21:11 |
| russellb | any other bugs worth discussing here? | 21:11 |
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| * Vek accidentally drops a pin | 21:12 | |
| russellb | :) | 21:12 |
| russellb | so I guess we should just fix them all, and that's that | 21:12 |
| Vek | guess so :) | 21:13 |
| russellb | cool. | 21:13 |
| russellb | well then ... anything else about anything? | 21:13 |
| russellb | most eventful nova meeting ever | 21:13 |
| boris-42 | I would like to move sqlalchemy.utils to common code should I write some blue print? | 21:13 |
| boris-42 | blueprint* | 21:14 |
| Vek | boris: probably best, and of course that would be havana work... | 21:14 |
| russellb | to oslo-incubator? | 21:14 |
| boris-42 | yeah | 21:14 |
| * russellb agrees with Vek | 21:14 | |
| dripton | boris-42: Do other projects already use it? | 21:14 |
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| * devananda agrees too | 21:14 | |
| devananda | keystone is about to add test_migrations, copied from an older nova version of it | 21:15 |
| boris-42 | agrees to with Vek =) but I could write it now=) and do in Havana=) | 21:15 |
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| devananda | so that may also be worth porting to oslo | 21:15 |
| dripton | devananda: Did you succeed in hoisting a reusable superclass out of test_migrations when you were doing baremetal migrations? | 21:15 |
| devananda | dripton: yep | 21:16 |
| devananda | boris and i both tackled that | 21:16 |
| dripton | devananda: cool, then we have an obvious candidate | 21:16 |
| * devananda thinks boris should write up a BP for porting sqlalchemy.utils and migration testing to oslo :) | 21:18 | |
| russellb | sounds good to me! | 21:18 |
| boris-42 | One more thing. As you know test_db_api doesn't cover all methods... | 21:18 |
| boris-42 | for example there is no tests for security_groups at all! | 21:18 |
| devananda | indeed .... | 21:18 |
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| boris-42 | probably there should be also blueprint add missing tests for test_db_api | 21:18 |
| devananda | ++ | 21:19 |
| russellb | there's a nova bug about that | 21:19 |
| dripton | the kind of bug you can never close because you always need more tests | 21:19 |
| russellb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/828631 | 21:19 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 828631 in nova "nova/db/* almost only tested indirectly" [Low,Confirmed] | 21:19 |
| russellb | opened in August of 2011 | 21:19 |
| boris-42 | ^_^ | 21:19 |
| uvirtbot | boris-42: Error: "_^" is not a valid command. | 21:19 |
| devananda | no wonder i never saw that bug | 21:19 |
| * devananda adds a "db" tag to it | 21:20 | |
| Vek | heh | 21:20 |
| boris-42 | Yeah I think that BP is better idea=) | 21:20 |
| russellb | yeah, maybe ... kind of in that blueprint <-> bug gray area to me | 21:20 |
| russellb | i guess it's not a bug, nothing is broken | 21:20 |
| russellb | :) | 21:20 |
| russellb | for some definition of broken ... | 21:21 |
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| dripton | you don't know if anything is broken because you don't have a test for it. | 21:21 |
| boris-42 | =)) | 21:21 |
| * devananda realizes a new way to eliminate bugs... just delete the tests! | 21:21 | |
| russellb | in any case, if you open a bp let's close this bug | 21:21 |
| boris-42 | Ok | 21:21 |
| Vek | devananda: that would make the test suite run a whole lot faster, too! | 21:21 |
| devananda | ;) | 21:21 |
| dripton | Do we have test coverage viewable somewhere out of Jenkins? | 21:22 |
| russellb | dripton: yes ..... somewhere ........ | 21:22 |
| boris-42 | eyes=) | 21:22 |
| russellb | race to find it! | 21:22 |
| russellb | https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/nova-coverage/ | 21:23 |
| clarkb | logs.openstack.org/shortsha/follow/the/path/to/nova-coverage | 21:23 |
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| russellb | clarkb: it's like you have advanced IRC conversation highlighting to alert you when you need to appear with a -infra related link :) | 21:24 |
| dripton | I see that page but not any actual useful coverage results. Maybe they're just hiding; maybe we need to install the cobertura plugin and do the right magic to convert Python test results to Java XML format so it can display them. | 21:24 |
| boris-42 | oO | 21:24 |
| boris-42 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/23660/ | 21:24 |
| russellb | example: http://logs.openstack.org/e237698/post/nova-coverage/5635/cover/ | 21:25 |
| clarkb | dripton: no, we actually stopped doing that with jenkins because jenkins uses too much resources to do it | 21:25 |
| clarkb | instead we generate the html reports then copy them to the log server | 21:25 |
| devananda | #link http://logs.openstack.org/e237698/post/nova-coverage/5635/cover/nova_db_sqlalchemy_api.html | 21:25 |
| dripton | clarkb: makes sense, but it makes it hard to find them if you don't already know where to look | 21:26 |
| russellb | overall total: 80% | 21:26 |
| boris-42 | I don't believe =) | 21:26 |
| Vek | 80% is easy. 100% is difficult :) | 21:26 |
| russellb | 88% for the db api :) | 21:26 |
| clarkb | dripton: ya | 21:26 |
| dripton | 100% is unnecessary. 80% is actually pretty damn good. | 21:26 |
| russellb | dripton: but now you know where it is! | 21:26 |
| dripton | Bookmarking... | 21:27 |
| Vek | heh. | 21:27 |
| * devananda notices the number of exceptions not getting tested in db/api | 21:27 | |
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| russellb | clarkb: is this just unit test coverage, or is this after running tempest too | 21:27 |
| Vek | that would be an interesting statistic... | 21:28 |
| clarkb | russellb: that is just unittest specific | 21:28 |
| russellb | cool | 21:28 |
| clarkb | the tempest coverage is its own thing (a daily job iirc) | 21:28 |
| russellb | https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/periodic-tempest-devstack-coverage-vm-full/ | 21:29 |
| * russellb guesses that's it ... | 21:29 | |
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| clarkb | yup that looks right | 21:29 |
| russellb | http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/ | 21:30 |
| russellb | http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/periodic-tempest-devstack-coverage-vm-full/58/logs/coverage-report/ | 21:30 |
| russellb | that says 21% | 21:31 |
| clarkb | russellb: I think it may only be able to collect nova-api coverage right now | 21:31 |
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| clarkb | (but I may be mistaken) | 21:31 |
| russellb | clarkb: ok. i know there was some work to support all services, don't remember status | 21:32 |
| russellb | dansmith: do you know? wasn't that a coworker of yours? | 21:32 |
| dansmith | russellb: mtreinish yeah | 21:32 |
| dripton | clarkb: it looks like it's crawling all the unit tests, not just the API | 21:32 |
| clarkb | its generating results for all of nova/ but at runtime only runs within nova-api | 21:33 |
| dripton | clarkb: ok, got it | 21:33 |
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| russellb | so there's the long answer to "do we have code coverage reports" :) | 21:34 |
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| russellb | Vek reminds us all that we need to help review python-novaclient patches, heh | 21:34 |
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| russellb | this URL is your friend for that: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/nova+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient)+branch:master,n,z | 21:35 |
| Vek | :) | 21:35 |
| dripton | two bookmarks in one meeting | 21:35 |
| russellb | that's productivity of some sort :) | 21:36 |
| Vek | heh | 21:36 |
| russellb | also need to be looking at python-novaclient bugs | 21:36 |
| russellb | and btw, if you want to close out some bugs and feel good, sort bugs by age and start at the oldest | 21:36 |
| russellb | lots of stuff that's not even applicable anymore | 21:36 |
| russellb | the cleaner the bug list, the more useful it is | 21:37 |
| russellb | anything else? | 21:37 |
| Vek | *nod* | 21:37 |
| russellb | guess we can close out then ... thanks everyone | 21:39 |
| mtreinish | clarkb, russellb: it covers all the services now | 21:39 |
| russellb | mtreinish: nice! | 21:39 |
| russellb | mtreinish: when looking at the coverage results, it looked like it did | 21:39 |
| mtreinish | but there is still a bug with the coverage module and eventlet so some of the results look really weird | 21:39 |
| Vek | lovely. | 21:40 |
| russellb | eventlet \o/ | 21:40 |
| * Vek used gevent for Tendril; that looks nice... | 21:40 | |
| mtreinish | for example: http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/periodic-tempest-devstack-coverage-vm-full/57/logs/coverage-report/nova_virt_libvirt_driver.html | 21:40 |
| jog0 | russellb: are we gonna have a summit session on eventlet and its future? | 21:40 |
| russellb | jog0: only if someone is motivated enough to make that a priority to work on | 21:41 |
| russellb | just complaining about it isn't hugely useful :) | 21:41 |
| russellb | IMO .... | 21:41 |
| dripton | There's no free lunch. If you want to have asynchronous code that looks like synchronous code then you're going to have a 90% solution and 10% bugs. | 21:41 |
| jog0 | russellb: there will be an eventlet session at the conference that may be useful | 21:41 |
| Vek | Probably for the 'i' or 'j' summits, we should be seriously thinking about how to support python3 (if not before then...) | 21:41 |
| dripton | If you want the 100% solution you have to make it explicit and then your code will be ugly. | 21:41 |
| jog0 | so gevent isn't a good option to discuss for H? | 21:42 |
| russellb | Vek: indeed | 21:42 |
| dripton | Isn't gevent pretty much the same model as eventlet with slight differences under the hood? | 21:42 |
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| Vek | dripton: it's forked from eventlet, in fact, IIRC | 21:42 |
| Vek | I believe it has v6 support available, too, though eventlet is likely to add that before too much longer (if they haven't already) | 21:43 |
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| russellb | there are some other ways we could approach this other than just forklifting eventlet | 21:43 |
| Vek | last I looked, though, the 1.x series was going to use a completely different core from the 0.x series... | 21:43 |
| russellb | like, say, try to convert only the nova-compute service to native threads | 21:44 |
| jog0 | russellb: true | 21:44 |
| russellb | or nova-conductor | 21:44 |
| russellb | nova-conductor's entire job is db access ... which is kinda hacky with eventlet | 21:45 |
| jog0 | also there is the sqlA discussion that ties in to this | 21:45 |
| russellb | yes | 21:45 |
| * Vek nods | 21:45 | |
| russellb | good times | 21:45 |
| jog0 | sorry for derailing the meeting | 21:46 |
| russellb | nah, we were pretty much done I think | 21:46 |
| Vek | sounds like we have things to do well beyond the 'm' release :) | 21:46 |
| russellb | one last thing i want to mention ... mikal really wanted to be here, but couldn't because of orientation at RAX | 21:46 |
| russellb | so he's not just avoiding us :) | 21:46 |
| Vek | :) | 21:46 |
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| dansmith | for some reason, | 21:47 |
| russellb | alright, thanks everyone! | 21:47 |
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| * russellb halts again | 21:47 | |
| dansmith | when you said "orientation", all I could think of was that the aussie was upside down | 21:47 |
| Vek | *rotcl* | 21:47 |
| devananda | heh | 21:47 |
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| Vek | we call it "rookieO", and you're probably right about it being upside down... | 21:47 |
| russellb | ha, sounds like he's enjoying it | 21:48 |
| russellb | he's actually on this side of the earth right now | 21:48 |
| russellb | k, bye! | 21:49 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 21:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 7 21:49:11 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-03-07-21.03.html | 21:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-03-07-21.03.txt | 21:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-03-07-21.03.log.html | 21:49 |
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