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| Kharec | Today's Python3 meeting will be here? | 13:32 |
| Adri2000 | Kharec: yes according to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#Python3_Compatibility_Team_meeting | 13:35 |
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| Kharec | Adri2000: thanks. | 13:40 |
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| jd__ | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 21 15:00:25 2013 UTC. The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| jd__ | hi everyone | 15:00 |
| jd__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 15:00 |
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| yjiang5 | o/ | 15:01 |
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| fnaval | o/ | 15:01 |
| apmelton | o/ | 15:01 |
| zehndton | o/ | 15:01 |
| nealph | o/ | 15:01 |
| DanD | o/ | 15:01 |
| maksimov | o/ | 15:01 |
| jd__ | that's a lot of people! | 15:01 |
| shengjie_ | o/ | 15:02 |
| jd__ | nijaba around? | 15:02 |
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| danspraggins | o/ | 15:02 |
| jd__ | dhellmann might be sick fwiw | 15:02 |
| jd__ | #topic dhellmann investigate the process for releasing a client library | 15:02 |
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| jd__ | so I'm going to re-action this | 15:02 |
| jd__ | #action dhellmann investigate the process for releasing a client library | 15:03 |
| dragondm | o/ hello | 15:03 |
| pvo | o/ | 15:03 |
| jd__ | #topic Summit sessions http://summit.openstack.org/ | 15:03 |
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| jd__ | We should have ~11 sessions planned on the end of week. I've asked if | 15:03 |
| jd__ | possible to not overlap with Heat so we can share the people between the | 15:03 |
| jd__ | two sessions if needed. | 15:03 |
| jd__ | Also I've started to do the planning, didn't finish yet, but every session should fit, with some merge, so far | 15:04 |
| eglynn | jd__: were we allocated a definite day for the ceilo track? | 15:04 |
| * eglynn heard Thursday | 15:04 | |
| jd__ | eglynn: Thursday indeed | 15:04 |
| jd__ | and a bit of Wednesday end-of-afternoon | 15:04 |
| llu-laptop | when can we see the initial schedule? | 15:04 |
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| jd__ | llu-laptop: soon I think | 15:04 |
| eglynn | kinda the graveyard shift | 15:05 |
| eglynn | (the later slots on Thurs afternoon) | 15:05 |
| jd__ | eglynn: if you've more insight about which alarming session could be merged, that would be great | 15:05 |
| jd__ | eglynn: ah? because everybody left? | 15:05 |
| eglynn | jd__: yep | 15:06 |
| eglynn | jd__: and yep as well | 15:06 |
| eglynn | jd__: I've 5 sessions proposed ... if there a target number I should aim for? | 15:06 |
| jd__ | eglynn: 3 would be perfect, I can maybe make 4 -- there's 5 from you and one from Nick too | 15:06 |
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| eglynn | jd__: cool, I'll take another pass at them and aim for amalgemating to 3 | 15:07 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: perfect, ping me when you do or will have done that so I can finish my scheduling | 15:07 |
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| eglynn | jd__: will do | 15:07 |
| jd__ | cool | 15:08 |
| jd__ | that's all for me about this, anybody else wants to add something? | 15:08 |
| eglynn | #action eglynn amalgemate summit alarming proposals from 5 sessions to 3 | 15:08 |
| jd__ | ah yes, I need to ask Nova folks about the Cell session | 15:08 |
| * eglynn can't spell amalgamate ... | 15:08 | |
| jd__ | nijaba proposed a session about that, but I feel that it's useless | 15:08 |
| eglynn | one other idea on summit sessions | 15:09 |
| llu-laptop | also about the nova scheduler? | 15:09 |
| jd__ | maybe I'm wrong, so I'll ask nova | 15:09 |
| eglynn | if we're really stuck for slots, we could move some sessions out to the "unconference track" | 15:09 |
| jd__ | llu-laptop: I plan to use a session on this, your thoughts? | 15:09 |
| eglynn | (or whatever that's called ...) | 15:09 |
| jd__ | eglynn: good idea | 15:10 |
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| yjiang5 | jd__: +1 for nova scheduler. But we need nova guys on the session also, right? | 15:10 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: I'll drop the low prio session to this ultimately if I've too :) | 15:10 |
| llu-laptop | jd__: i'm wondering if there are some nova guys attend that session? | 15:10 |
| eglynn | jd__: cool | 15:10 |
| jd__ | yjiang5: yes but nova is booked for 4 days so… | 15:10 |
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| eglynn | we may need to actively grab nova folks if we want them to attend | 15:10 |
| jd__ | as said, I've managed to move Heat away so it is not during our sessions so we can enjoy them | 15:11 |
| jd__ | but for nova that's impossible :) | 15:11 |
| jd__ | maybe we should propose the nova-scheduler/ceilmoeter session into nova schedule? | 15:11 |
| dragondm | Some of us involved in both will be bopping back & forth as possible... | 15:11 |
| jd__ | dragondm: sounds like sport! ;) | 15:11 |
| dragondm | Pretty much. | 15:11 |
| yjiang5 | jd__: +1 for into nova scheduler. | 15:11 |
| eglynn | jd__: yep, we certainly could ... russellb already put out a call for early nova proposals on the ML | 15:12 |
| dragondm | Basic law of conferences: everything you want to attend is schedualed at the same time. | 15:12 |
| jd__ | hehehe | 15:12 |
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| eglynn | (so the earlier we re-assign to nova, the better ...) | 15:12 |
| jd__ | #action jd__ Ask Nova team is a session talking about Ceilometer/Cell is worth it | 15:13 |
| eglynn | BTW the session proposer can't re-assign topic, only the track "owner" | 15:13 |
| jd__ | #action jd__ Propose a session into Nova timeslots about Ceilometer being use by nova-scheduler | 15:13 |
| jd__ | eglynn: ah right | 15:13 |
| jd__ | I can do that right now | 15:14 |
| eglynn | cool | 15:14 |
| jd__ | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/64 done | 15:14 |
| eglynn | IIRC from the last summit, some of the yahoo! folks had an interest in the nova scheduler consuming & doing analytics on metering data | 15:14 |
| jd__ | if it's not approved we'll bring to the unconference I guess? | 15:15 |
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| eglynn | yep, makes sense | 15:15 |
| * jd__ moves his little organization papers | 15:15 | |
| jd__ | more slot for alarming and stuff then :) | 15:16 |
| eglynn | coolness | 15:16 |
| hanney | o? | 15:16 |
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| jd__ | anything else? | 15:17 |
| eglynn | now that the party schedule is out, any ideas on a good night for a team dinner? | 15:17 |
| jd__ | maybe Wednesday between our sessions? | 15:18 |
| eglynn | #link http://openstacksummitapril2013.sched.org/ | 15:18 |
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| eglynn | Wednesday's good | 15:19 |
| shengjie_ | +1 Wednesday | 15:20 |
| jd__ | well I suggest we ask others next meeting too but that could work | 15:20 |
| * jd__ is flexible anyway | 15:20 | |
| * jd__ 's schedule is flexible anyway (hm) | 15:20 | |
| * eglynn flexible too, except for Monday evening ... (Red Hat party) | 15:20 | |
| jd__ | eglynn: ok | 15:20 |
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| jd__ | #topic DIY stable/grizzly maintenance (since the stable-maint team won't be supporting the newly integrated projects until post-havana) | 15:21 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: we're listening :) | 15:21 |
| eglynn | OK so the motivation for this topic was a conversation on openstack-stable-maint ML ysterday | 15:21 |
| eglynn | the subject was membership of the stable-maint team for grizzly | 15:21 |
| eglynn | (core PTLs and active back-porting developers are normally included) | 15:21 |
| eglynn | folks with a hand in downstream distros etc. | 15:22 |
| eglynn | so I suggested also including the incoming PTLs for ceilo & heat | 15:22 |
| eglynn | turns out that the stable-maint team is *not* going to be supporting ceilo & heat for the upcoming cycle | 15:22 |
| eglynn | (since the project wasn't actually integrated for the grizzly cycle) | 15:22 |
| eglynn | so the short story is ... if we want it done, we'll have to support it ourselves | 15:22 |
| eglynn | I, for one, would be in favour of investing (as a project) in stable branch maintainence | 15:23 |
| jd__ | we can do that, but it'd be cool to do this close the actual stable-maint team | 15:23 |
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| eglynn | yep | 15:23 |
| jd__ | like if we were integrated | 15:23 |
| llu-laptop | what kind of work it involves? | 15:24 |
| eglynn | its a good way of supporting non-trunk-chasing users *and* developing good team practices for the I cycle | 15:24 |
| jd__ | the fact that they don't want to be responsible for it, I can understand, but if we can at least just do the job for them without setting up a different process, it'd be great | 15:24 |
| jd__ | and llu-laptop is already volunteering! | 15:24 |
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| eglynn | here's what I think would we'd need to do ... | 15:24 |
| * jd__ hides | 15:24 | |
| eglynn | (a) familiarize ourselves with the current policy | 15:24 |
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| eglynn | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch | 15:25 |
| eglynn | note especially https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch#Appropriate_Fixes | 15:25 |
| eglynn | that's the key IMO | 15:25 |
| eglynn | (b) get the remote stable/gizzly branch cut | 15:25 |
| eglynn | not sure what level of karma is required to get that done? | 15:25 |
| eglynn | (c) commit to watching out for and backporting *appropriate* fixes | 15:25 |
| eglynn | that's an on-going "collective responsibility" task | 15:26 |
| eglynn | translation: it'll fall thru' the cracks unless we all do it ;) | 15:26 |
| eglynn | made more tractable with tagging ... https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch#Bug_Tags | 15:26 |
| jd__ | but will we able to do 'git review stable/grizzly'? | 15:26 |
| jd__ | that's (b)? | 15:26 |
| eglynn | and of course considering your own patches as a matter of course makes it easier | 15:26 |
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| eglynn | git review just requires the branch exists upstream? | 15:27 |
| eglynn | or something more? | 15:27 |
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| * eglynn is old-skool, doesn't usually use git-review ... | 15:28 | |
| jd__ | eglynn: I think so yeah | 15:28 |
| eglynn | k, so I'll follow up on what's needed there | 15:28 |
| jd__ | so that might be tight to (b) | 15:28 |
| eglynn | yep | 15:28 |
| jd__ | thanks eglynn | 15:28 |
| eglynn | and finally (d) manage the stable releases | 15:29 |
| jd__ | I think (c) will be visible in our Gerrit dashboard, so I am not too much afraid of us forgetting it | 15:29 |
| jd__ | for the part submitted I mean | 15:29 |
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| eglynn | yep, so the key separating the sheep from the goats ;) | 15:29 |
| jd__ | :) | 15:29 |
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| eglynn | i.e. deciding which bugs are suitable for backporting, tagging in LP kinda helps there | 15:30 |
| jd__ | eglynn: yeah, I was wondering if LP could help about this | 15:30 |
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| jd__ | but I'm not sure reporters can say in which version they found the bug, at least via a special field | 15:30 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: that requires every gerrit patch should have a LP bug/blueprint, I guess? | 15:31 |
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| eglynn | the stable-maint team will be using tags like "grizzly-backport-potential" | 15:31 |
| shengjie_ | eglynn: does that decision of what bugs get ported made by the LP or there is a triage process? | 15:31 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: well that requires to know that the bug reported is not from havana version :/ | 15:32 |
| eglynn | shengjie_: LP just allows anyone (the original fixes, or an interested core dev) to mark as bug as a good candidate for backporting | 15:32 |
| eglynn | s/fixes/fixer/ | 15:32 |
| shengjie_ | then the decision is gonna be made by LP | 15:32 |
| shengjie_ | porting it or not | 15:32 |
| shengjie_ | ? | 15:32 |
| eglynn | well ... s/made by LP/recorded in LP/ | 15:33 |
| eglynn | the decision point is usually not when the bug is originally reported in LP | 15:33 |
| eglynn | as the invasiveness of the fix is unknown at that point | 15:33 |
| jd__ | (we all agree that LP is Launchpad, right? :) | 15:33 |
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| eglynn | yep | 15:33 |
| jd__ | I was just under the impression shengjie_ was understanding something else :) | 15:34 |
| eglynn | the decision point is usually when the fix is proposed to or lands on master | 15:34 |
| eglynn | then it's usually clear whether it too risky or appropriate for the stable branch | 15:34 |
| jd__ | eglynn: that seems like a very fragile process but it's probably the best we can have for now | 15:34 |
| eglynn | jd__: yep, it takes vigilence to ensure nothing falls thru the cracks | 15:35 |
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| eglynn | so first step would be everyone proposing fixes, to take a few minutes to think about whether the patch is suitable for stable | 15:35 |
| eglynn | and then record that info in LP via the tag | 15:36 |
| eglynn | you don't necessarily need to do the backport yourself | 15:36 |
| eglynn | though that would be good | 15:36 |
| eglynn | (as you'd be most familiar with the fix ...) | 15:36 |
| shengjie_ | who does the cherrypicking then? | 15:36 |
| jd__ | eglynn: and the usual process (for H) will be stable-maint to watch for us what should be backported? | 15:36 |
| eglynn | shengjie_: if not the original proposer, then someone else on core will have to step up to the plare | 15:37 |
| jd__ | not sure what job we'll do in place of stable-maint | 15:37 |
| eglynn | jd__: yes, that would be the process during the I cycle | 15:37 |
| eglynn | s/plare/plate/ | 15:37 |
| jd__ | eglynn: k | 15:37 |
| eglynn | but note that stable-maint won't do all the heavy lifting for us, even in the I cycle | 15:38 |
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| jd__ | that's clear to me, eglynn, #action some stuff if you think you need to | 15:38 |
| jd__ | eglynn: yeah I though so :) | 15:38 |
| eglynn | #action eglynn get ceilo:stable/grizzly branch set up | 15:38 |
| eglynn | one other thing to think about is the cadence of stable releases | 15:39 |
| eglynn | nova etc. usually aim for every 8-10 weeks | 15:39 |
| eglynn | we could line up with that, or aim for less frequent if appropriate ... | 15:39 |
| eglynn | that's all I got on the topic ... | 15:40 |
| jd__ | that's a good start! | 15:40 |
| jd__ | to be continued | 15:41 |
| eglynn | cool | 15:41 |
| jd__ | #topic Open discussion | 15:41 |
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| jd__ | can I have more reviews on my old patches laying around? | 15:41 |
| llu-laptop | one question, how many stable version should we keep? Say we'in I, do we have stable/g and stable/h both? | 15:41 |
| jd__ | llu-laptop: I think we'll follow others on that | 15:41 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: rule is one cycle back for normal fixes | 15:42 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: longer than that, security vulnerabilities only | 15:42 |
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| eglynn | (so after grizzly goes out, stable/folsom will usually only get security fixes as a matter of course, though the distro folks will probably support it for longer ...) | 15:43 |
| zul | rc1 is giong to be out when for ceilometer? | 15:44 |
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| eglynn | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/grizzly-rc1 | 15:44 |
| zul | cool thanks | 15:45 |
| * ttx waves | 15:45 | |
| jd__ | not sure when exactly | 15:45 |
| ttx | jd__: would be great to close those last blockers | 15:46 |
| jd__ | ttx: we can do that | 15:46 |
| ttx | jd__: everyone else will have their rc1 done this week | 15:46 |
| jd__ | ttx: we close everything and I ping you back? | 15:46 |
| ttx | You fix everything on the list, then when you're happy with it... just push a 2013.2 version change in setup.py and pingme | 15:47 |
| ttx | I'll cut the grizzly release branch from the previous commit | 15:47 |
| ttx | jd__: but that means you truly believe that it's good enough to release | 15:47 |
| ttx | jd__: i.e. pending the discovery of new bugs, it will be your release | 15:47 |
| jd__ | ttx: ok! | 15:47 |
| ttx | (that said, incubated projects have less constraints) | 15:48 |
| ttx | (like, you don't HAVE TO release on April 4) | 15:48 |
| jd__ | but we'd like to! ;) | 15:48 |
| ttx | just makes you look good :) | 15:48 |
| jd__ | we like that | 15:48 |
| eglynn | yep, lets aim to line up with the train | 15:48 |
| jd__ | ok so tomorrow I'll spend my day on that | 15:49 |
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| jd__ | that means we need more reviews too | 15:49 |
| * dragondm is happy to do a few... | 15:49 | |
| llu-laptop | I'll do the review tomorrow. | 15:49 |
| jd__ | thanks llu | 15:50 |
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| gordc | jd__ if i can understand it, i'll review it (ceilometer newbie) :) | 15:50 |
| * eglynn will focus also on bug fixing & reviewing for the rest of the week ... | 15:50 | |
| llu-laptop | Are we required to resolve bug 1093625 in RC1? | 15:53 |
| jd__ | thanks guys | 15:53 |
| jd__ | anything else or should I close this meeting? | 15:53 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1093625 in ceilometer "no metaquery implementation in sqlalchemy DB backends" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1093625 | 15:53 |
| jd__ | #endmeeting | 15:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack" | 15:53 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 21 15:53:15 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-03-21-15.00.html | 15:53 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-03-21-15.00.txt | 15:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-03-21-15.00.log.html | 15:53 |
| jd__ | llu: you'll never know | 15:53 |
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| jd__ | llu: I just dropped it from RC1, it's way too big for now | 15:53 |
| llu-laptop | jd__: agreed. | 15:53 |
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| Kharec | Python3 meeting now :) | 15:59 |
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| maksimov | Kharec: is it though? | 16:04 |
| Kharec | According to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#Python3_Compatibility_Team_meeting | 16:05 |
| ewindisch | hello | 16:06 |
| maksimov | o/ | 16:06 |
| Kharec | ewindisch: hello | 16:06 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 16:06 |
| ewindisch | #startmeeting Python3 | 16:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 21 16:06:17 2013 UTC. The chair is ewindisch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Python3)" | 16:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'python3' | 16:06 |
| ewindisch | got distracted. | 16:06 |
| ewindisch | who is here? | 16:06 |
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| Kharec | ewindisch: I'm here | 16:06 |
| maksimov | o/ :) | 16:07 |
| Kharec | :) | 16:07 |
| markmcclain | here | 16:07 |
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| ewindisch | #topic getting started | 16:07 |
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| ewindisch | I'd like to discuss how we get started on this effort. | 16:07 |
| ewindisch | first, my thoughts are that we should work on getting py3 compatibility in oslo | 16:08 |
| ewindisch | as it is our library project and the barrier to anything else useing python3 | 16:08 |
| ewindisch | *using | 16:08 |
| markmcclain | +1 | 16:08 |
| Kharec | Agreed. | 16:08 |
| ewindisch | secondly, we can't make any progress at all without gating. | 16:09 |
| ewindisch | agreed? | 16:09 |
| Kharec | Gating? | 16:09 |
| ewindisch | gate testing, i.e. jenkins | 16:09 |
| Kharec | oh | 16:10 |
| Kharec | agreed :) | 16:10 |
| maksimov | is this an action item to follow up with infra team? | 16:10 |
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| markmcclain | should be able to add py33 target to tox and then they can setup a job | 16:10 |
| ewindisch | it will be. I'd like to discuss what that follow-up will be. | 16:10 |
| ewindisch | #topic gating python3 | 16:10 |
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| ewindisch | markmcclain: I'm not sure that adding a py33 target is the right thing (also, py33 targets already exist in tox, the py* targets are implicit and part of tox itself) | 16:11 |
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| ewindisch | the first barrier is that the code we have doesn't work with Python3 already. We can't simply require that any code uploaded works in Python3. | 16:12 |
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| Kharec | So what can we do? | 16:12 |
| ewindisch | I was speaking with jog0 yesterday. He told me what they're doing with pyflakes and I think their model can be adapted. | 16:12 |
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| ewindisch | they test the previous revision of a file, test the current version, and look for differences. | 16:13 |
| Kharec | Sounds good | 16:13 |
| ewindisch | I think we can do the same with '2to3'. It will be more binary, however. It will only make sure that a file is python3-compliant or not. It will only make sure that once a file becomes Python3-compatible, it doesn't regress. | 16:13 |
| ewindisch | or maybe we can even use pyflakes /w python3 -- I haven't verified. | 16:14 |
| Kharec | so adapting their method with 2to3 ? | 16:14 |
| ewindisch | essentially. | 16:14 |
| ewindisch | so now... | 16:15 |
| markmcclain | I'm not sure 2to3 is something we want | 16:15 |
| Kharec | maksimov: why? | 16:15 |
| Kharec | oops | 16:15 |
| Kharec | markmcclain: why? | 16:15 |
| ewindisch | markmcclain: I mean only to run 2to3 determine if a file has "unconvertible python2 code" | 16:16 |
| ewindisch | not to use the patchset output of it. | 16:16 |
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| ewindisch | but if we can get a python3 pyflakes test working, that might be better. | 16:17 |
| ewindisch | #action ewindisch follow up with -infra to discuss gating | 16:17 |
| rpodolyaka | I'd rather we supported both 2.6+ and 3.2+ using six or something like that | 16:17 |
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| ewindisch | rpodolyaka: I agree that we'll need to use six, or at least future imports. | 16:18 |
| markmcclain | ok.. but 2to3 for checking just tells us the code cannot be converted.. .should we looking towards using something like six? | 16:18 |
| ewindisch | rpodolyaka: but we need a way to gate and check that the code introduced, even with six, runs on Python3 | 16:19 |
| ewindisch | without breaking tests for code that isn't (yet) supposed to run on Python3 | 16:19 |
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| ewindisch | I don't think six is such a magic bullet you can simply import it and say, "this code works in Python3 now". | 16:21 |
| ewindisch | and six isn't a gate-check for jenkins | 16:22 |
| ewindisch | but yes, I think it should be part of the strategy for making code compatible. | 16:22 |
| markmcclain | agreed.. but I'm still not sure how you reliably check patchset deltas for py3 compatibility | 16:22 |
| Kharec | Maybe jenkins jobs with 2to3 works better. I don't think six is the solution too. | 16:22 |
| markmcclain | seems like the whole file would need to be checked | 16:23 |
| ewindisch | markmcclain: if the previous version of a file passed a pyflakes or 2to3 check, then the current version should also pass. I.e. there shouldn't be a regression. | 16:23 |
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| markmcclain | ok.. so if the old version failed then the new version can fail and that is ok | 16:23 |
| markmcclain | ? | 16:23 |
| ewindisch | yes. | 16:24 |
| ewindisch | so code that has never worked on python3 doesn't need to work with python3. | 16:24 |
| ewindisch | once it works, it stays working. | 16:24 |
| markmcclain | ok.. now I'm following | 16:25 |
| * markmcclain needs more coffee | 16:25 | |
| ewindisch | pyflakes tests would be better though. It will give a list of all the things broken in the code. The list of broken things in one version can be compared to the other version, which is much more granular. | 16:25 |
| rpodolyaka | but can we really trust pyflakes? E. g. a module may use some third-party modules that are not Python 3 compatible | 16:26 |
| markmcclain | rpodolyaka: doesn't execute code | 16:27 |
| ewindisch | rpodolyaka: the reality is that we can't migrate any files to python3 that don't have working dependencies. | 16:27 |
| ewindisch | so I'm not too worried about that | 16:27 |
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| ewindisch | or at least even if we did, there is little benefit | 16:27 |
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| ewindisch | the dependency problem is going to be a big one. | 16:28 |
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| ewindisch | want to switch to dependancies or python3 version questions? I'm afraid they might be tied at the hip. | 16:28 |
| markmcclain | yeah let's switch | 16:29 |
| ewindisch | before we do - does someone want to work on the 2to3 and/or pyflakes test? | 16:29 |
| markmcclain | I can take a stab at it | 16:30 |
| ewindisch | #action markmacclain to look at writing a py3 test | 16:30 |
| ewindisch | #topic python3 version and dependencies | 16:30 |
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| ewindisch | so we need to figure out what version of python3 to support. | 16:30 |
| rpodolyaka | 3.2+? | 16:30 |
| maksimov | thought the idea was to target 3.3+ | 16:31 |
| ewindisch | My understanding is that 3.3+ is probably the only path that will allow you to write code that also runs on py26 and py27 without forking, or having really ugly constructs | 16:31 |
| rpodolyaka | I think, 3.2 is going to be a mainline version in distros like debian for a while | 16:31 |
| rpodolyaka | mainline of 3.x | 16:32 |
| ewindisch | however, we should consider that our dependencies might support earlier versions of Python3, but not Python 3.3. | 16:32 |
| mikeyp | Version will probably be driven by dependences more than anything else | 16:32 |
| ewindisch | I'm inclined to think we target 3.3 and then retroactively add support for 3.2, if desirable or necessary. It probably will be necessary. | 16:33 |
| ewindisch | Python 3.3 adds u'' back | 16:34 |
| rpodolyaka | AFAIK, that's the only thing in 3.3 that makes both 2.x/3.x support eaesier | 16:35 |
| ewindisch | mikeyp: perhaps we should evaluate what dependencies we already have in Oslo that are compatible with Python3 and see what versions they support. | 16:35 |
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| dripton | I'm willing to dig through Nova deps and make a list of which ones support Python 3 and which version. | 16:35 |
| ewindisch | dripton: I'd prefer it were oslo deps (since nova depends on oslo) | 16:36 |
| markmcclain | I think evaluating oslo is a good first step | 16:36 |
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| mikeyp | ewindsch: makes sense, that was where I thought we would start last year. | 16:36 |
| ewindisch | dripton: will you do that then? | 16:36 |
| dripton | okay, I'll dig through oslo deps. | 16:36 |
| ewindisch | #action dripton to dig through oslo deps for version compat | 16:37 |
| rpodolyaka | eventlet doesn't seem to work in 3.x, does it? | 16:37 |
| ewindisch | rpodolyaka: no, neither does gevent. | 16:37 |
| ewindisch | I'm honestly not sure what exists except Tulip | 16:38 |
| ewindisch | (Guido's new pet project) | 16:38 |
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| dripton | Twisted doesn't work in 3 either, though some work has been done. So basically no major async network libraries. | 16:38 |
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| ewindisch | to that point, I've thought that we might actually want to start with oslo.config | 16:39 |
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| ewindisch | it probably has the fewest horrible external dependencies (no eventlet) and is already out of incubation | 16:39 |
| dripton | But what's the point of that, if we can't actually run openstack in Python 3? Until we get eventlet ported, that just adds churn and work without really helping. | 16:40 |
| ewindisch | plus we have the best chance of getting the an entire subproject/repository converted, which will be a good 'win'. | 16:40 |
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| markmcclain | yeah.. also limited in scope so it's a good place to learn | 16:41 |
| ewindisch | dripton: my immediate goal for this effort is to facilitate the use of Python3 by new projects. Getting projects like Nova converted one day is noble, but we need to manage scope and take baby steps. | 16:41 |
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| dripton | ok, as long as it doesn't make Nova worse to make hypothetical projects better | 16:42 |
| dripton | I'd be happiest with a big bang conversion, but we can't do that until we address dependencies. Converting our code is the easy part. | 16:42 |
| ewindisch | lets see what our dependencies look like and we can evaluate. | 16:43 |
| ewindisch | but I agree that dependencies such as Eventlet and Paste are going to be painful. | 16:43 |
| ewindisch | but there is enough work ahead that it doesn't have to be solved today. | 16:43 |
| ewindisch | okay - anything else for version and deps? | 16:44 |
| mikeyp | the PSF is sponsoring some Python 3 conversions - for eventlet, might be able to get some help there | 16:44 |
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| ewindisch | mikeyp: interesting. we should look into that. | 16:44 |
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| ewindisch | #action ewindisch to look at PSF sponsorship | 16:45 |
| ewindisch | also, once the TCs are elected, we might need to *propose* a version of Python3 to support for them to bless. | 16:45 |
| ewindisch | anyone else have anything to discuss before we go to open discussion? | 16:46 |
| ewindisch | #topic open discussion | 16:46 |
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| dripton | I think 3.2 is probably a waste of effort, since Python 3 isn't used much in production yet. Might as well start with 3.3. (Different from the 2.x case, where 2.6 is still used by older systems like RHEL.) | 16:47 |
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| ewindisch | dripton: perhaps. It depends on the dependencies, I think. | 16:47 |
| dripton | True, when I generate the list we'll see if anything works on 3.2 but not 3.3. I doubt it but we'll see. | 16:48 |
| ewindisch | yeah, I think forward compatibility is good once you get over the 2->3 hump | 16:48 |
| dripton | Once a mainstream distro like Ubuntu launches with 3.x as default Python, that particular x becomes important for backward compatibility. | 16:49 |
| ewindisch | Ubuntu already defaults to 3.2.3 | 16:49 |
| ewindisch | (ubuntu 12.10) | 16:49 |
| dripton | 3.2.3 is included with Ubuntu but it's not the default Python; 2.7.x is. A future Ubuntu will make 3.x the default and *that's* when it'll really be used. | 16:50 |
| ewindisch | hmm, you're right. | 16:51 |
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| ewindisch | Ubuntu Raring will target Python 3.3 | 16:51 |
| ewindisch | also another gate we could do is to run unit tests with "python2.7 -3" | 16:52 |
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| dripton | Should I create https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Python3Deps, or is there a better place to put my list? | 16:53 |
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| ewindisch | dripton: that sounds like a good idea. | 16:53 |
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| dripton | I'll also create https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Python3 with a pointer to the Python3Deps, as a placeholder for future work. | 16:54 |
| ewindisch | a more ambtious goal might be to just extract the dependencies and do a lookup against the hall of shame | 16:54 |
| ewindisch | #action dripton create wiki pages | 16:54 |
| dripton | I'm going to do that, but I fear that hall of shame might not be 100% accurate/complete so I might have to dive into project web pages, etc. | 16:54 |
| ewindisch | acknowledged | 16:55 |
| ewindisch | Finally, thank you everyone for helping with this effort. | 16:55 |
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| ewindisch | #endmeeting | 16:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 21 16:55:56 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python3/2013/python3.2013-03-21-16.06.html | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python3/2013/python3.2013-03-21-16.06.txt | 16:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python3/2013/python3.2013-03-21-16.06.log.html | 16:56 |
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| ewindisch | If anyone wants to grab me to chat at any time, just hit me on IRC or email <eric@cloudscaling.com> | 16:57 |
| ewindisch | have another meeting now :-/ | 16:57 |
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| sdague | who's here for QA? | 17:00 |
| zyluo | hi | 17:00 |
| ravikumar_hp | hi | 17:00 |
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| sdague | davidkranz, you here? | 17:00 |
| davidkranz | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 21 17:00:24 2013 UTC. The chair is davidkranz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| donaldngo_hp | hi | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| davidkranz | agenda at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_Mar_21_2013_meeting | 17:00 |
| davidkranz | Jay is on a plane. | 17:00 |
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| davidkranz | Any one from quantum here? | 17:01 |
| dwalleck | mlavalle is | 17:01 |
| mlavalle | davidkranz: yes, me | 17:01 |
| davidkranz | mlavalle: Given that we are at RC, what does it meant that the quantum tests are failing? | 17:02 |
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| mlavalle | davidkranz: I would need to take a look at the tests failling | 17:02 |
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| zyluo | davidkranz, do you have a jenkins log link of a failure? | 17:03 |
| mlavalle | can we do that between today and tomorrow? | 17:03 |
| davidkranz | ONe sec.. | 17:03 |
| davidkranz | http://logs.openstack.org/24917/2/check/gate-tempest-devstack-vm-quantum-full/942/console.html | 17:03 |
| sdague | quantum full has never worked | 17:03 |
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| mlavalle | davidkranz: taking a look | 17:03 |
| davidkranz | I noticed this because I ran devstack/quantum today for the first time. | 17:03 |
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| davidkranz | sdague: I know, but we are supposed to be at release. Are the tests wrong? | 17:04 |
| sdague | which is why we only gate on quantum smoke | 17:04 |
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| sdague | davidkranz: part of it is that quantum doesn't do everything that nova networks does (I think) | 17:04 |
| zyluo | 56.414 | ERROR: No server with a name or ID of 'ex-vol-inst' exists. | 17:05 |
| zyluo | Does this line have any thing with the error? | 17:05 |
| davidkranz | sdague: But these are quantum test, right? And we are at release. | 17:05 |
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| davidkranz | So either the tests are wrong or quantum is broken. | 17:05 |
| sdague | davidkranz: not exactly | 17:05 |
| sdague | we always run the same tempest tests on all the full runs | 17:06 |
| sdague | quantum means quantum was setup by devstack instead of nova-network | 17:06 |
| sdague | it doesn't mean only quantum tests were run | 17:06 |
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| davidkranz | sdague: I understand. But I get the same errors running vanilla quantum/devstack. | 17:06 |
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| davidkranz | sdague: ANd it is the quantum tests that are failing. | 17:07 |
| sdague | davidkranz: oh, well that's different | 17:07 |
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| davidkranz | sdague: The failing tests are not even run in the devstack-vm-full | 17:07 |
| sdague | I thought it was compute tests | 17:07 |
| davidkranz | sdague: Only in the quantum full. | 17:07 |
| mlavalle | davidkranz: the Quantum test that I see failling in the log is tempest.tests.network.test_networks.NetworksTest | 17:07 |
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| sdague | davidkranz: can we handle this by making it a high priority bug on quantum, and engaging the PTL on it? | 17:08 |
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| davidkranz | sdague: Yes. | 17:08 |
| davidkranz | mlavalle: Are we sure these tests are supposed to work? | 17:09 |
| mlavalle | davidkranz: that test is not supposed to work in its current state | 17:09 |
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| mlavalle | davidkranz: because it asumes v1 of the Quantum API, which is not in the codebase anymore | 17:10 |
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| davidkranz | mlavalle: Are there any tests that are failing that are supposed to work? | 17:10 |
| davidkranz | mlavalle: It will be unfortunate if we cut stable/grizzly with zero quantum coverage. | 17:10 |
| ravikumar_hp | mlavalle: is the tests tempest.tests.network.test_networks.NetworksTest worked earlier? | 17:10 |
| mlavalle | davidkranz: It never worked under v2 of the API | 17:11 |
| mlavalle | davidkranz: I have a patchset that I pushed a couple of weeks ago | 17:11 |
| mlavalle | that addresses this issue | 17:11 |
| sdague | mlavalle: review? | 17:12 |
| mlavalle | davidkranz: it was abandoned by Gerrit for lack of review | 17:12 |
| mlavalle | sdague: I can resubmit and have the Quantum PTL review it and some of you | 17:12 |
| davidkranz | mlavalle: Can you take this to the quantum team and get a solution? | 17:12 |
| mlavalle | davidkranz: yes, I will and will resubmit the patchset | 17:13 |
| sdague | mlavalle: please make sure there is an issue tracking it as well | 17:13 |
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| mlavalle | sdague: I also documented the bug a few weeks ago | 17:14 |
| mlavalle | give me a minute and will give you the bug | 17:14 |
| sdague | mlavalle: if it was this change, that still didn't pass quantum full - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/22927/ | 17:14 |
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| mlavalle | sdague: yes it was that patchset | 17:15 |
| mlavalle | you gave a -1, because you asked me whether version 1 had also to be supported | 17:15 |
| mlavalle | I responded that v1 wasn't in the codebase anymore | 17:16 |
| sdague | mlavalle: ok, sorry about that, we've had some email delay issues | 17:17 |
| sdague | but it doesn't explain why it still didn't let quantum full pass | 17:17 |
| mlavalle | sdague: so here's what I propose. I resubmit the patchset, and have it reviewed by the Quantum PTL and some of you | 17:18 |
| sdague | if the api change is the only issue | 17:18 |
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| sdague | yep | 17:18 |
| sdague | lets see if we can get to quantum full passing as well | 17:18 |
| davidkranz | mlavalle: I propose we table this for now so we can discuss the summit and we can resolve this after that, or outside of this meeting. | 17:18 |
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| mlavalle | davidkranz: perfect | 17:19 |
| davidkranz | I think we should wait for these tests before cutting stable/grizzly if it will be soon. | 17:19 |
| sdague | davidkranz: sure | 17:19 |
| sdague | soon really means the end of this week though | 17:19 |
| sdague | because havana is now open on most trees | 17:20 |
| sdague | which means we might need to start taking destabalizing tempest patches to support havana | 17:20 |
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| davidkranz | sdague: Yeah. I guess we can backport the quantum stuff. | 17:20 |
| sdague | I think everything except ceilo is in release branches now (keystone went this morning) | 17:20 |
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| mlavalle | davidkranz: I can work today and tomorow on this | 17:20 |
| davidkranz | sdague: How about we cut it tomorrow. | 17:20 |
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| davidkranz | sdague: Are you going to give the go-ahead to ci to make the branch? | 17:21 |
| andreaf | hi sorry I'm late | 17:21 |
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| mtreinish | davidkranz: I thought that we were cutting it today? | 17:22 |
| sdague | davidkranz: sure we can do it tomorrow | 17:22 |
| davidkranz | mtreinish: Did you look at the above discussion? | 17:22 |
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| sdague | ttx needs to do the actual tag for us, and I need to sort out ci switch over | 17:22 |
| sdague | so I'll take the todo to make it happen tomorrow | 17:22 |
| davidkranz | sdague: Great. Thanks. | 17:23 |
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| davidkranz | #topic havana summit | 17:23 |
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| davidkranz | https://etherpad.openstack.org/havana-qa-infra-summit-brainstorm | 17:23 |
| davidkranz | I added the list of sessions that were submitted at the bottom with some comments and recommendations. | 17:24 |
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| davidkranz | If any one objects to my "Y" or "N" please say so. | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | davidkranz: the Y's and N's look fine to me. | 17:25 |
| ravikumar_hp | davidkranz: what is ? | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | Although, I'm not sure there is that much left to talk about with the multiple api versions | 17:25 |
| ravikumar_hp | davidkranz: ? Tempest - Gap Analysis - Identify new testsdevelop Ravikumar Venkatesan | 17:25 |
| davidkranz | ravikumar_hp: That is for discussion. THere is not room for all of them. | 17:25 |
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| sdague | davidkranz: I agree with all your Y & N on there | 17:25 |
| davidkranz | mtreinish: There is the major issue of what principles we use to decide which tests to run, and which are part of the gate. | 17:26 |
| ravikumar_hp | i think whitebox may be developer scope | 17:26 |
| davidkranz | mtreinish: In most cases the new api will have a lot that was also in the old api. | 17:26 |
| davidkranz | mtreinish: But the implementation may be different. | 17:26 |
| davidkranz | And we can't keep everything in the gate forever. | 17:27 |
| davidkranz | So I still think there are issues to discuss. | 17:27 |
| ravikumar_hp | why tempest should take care of whitebox? | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | davidkranz: very true, I guess I was just thinking about it from the implementation side | 17:27 |
| dwalleck | I think its because there's some differing in wording about whitebox testing | 17:27 |
| davidkranz | mtreinish: I'll put this session in a place that is better if it does not take the full time. | 17:27 |
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| sdague | davidkranz: so there is probably an infrastructure topic we want to do about optimizing what's run in gate that might be the multi api version bits | 17:28 |
| dwalleck | I know jaypipes would call logging into instances and doing validation whitebox | 17:28 |
| andreaf | ravikumar_hp: we cannot provide good coverage only via API driven tests | 17:28 |
| sdague | yeh, whitebox testing session should probably go in as well | 17:28 |
| ravikumar_hp | andreaf: core services has whitebox tests | 17:28 |
| dwalleck | But for me that's critical path testing. I can't release/deploy without testing the things I actually create | 17:28 |
| sdague | does someone want to own that | 17:28 |
| davidkranz | sdague: You mean combining it with Strategies for Gating in a growing project? | 17:28 |
| dwalleck | I will | 17:28 |
| Rackspace-Sam | I agree with adreaf, an api only test is not good coverage | 17:28 |
| dwalleck | or Sam and I will :) | 17:29 |
| sdague | davidkranz: possibly | 17:29 |
| patelna_ | we need revisit what is our charter and what tests will be developed, run where? Devstack is not a solution | 17:29 |
| Rackspace-Sam | Yeah, We can own that one if it's ok with everyone. :-) | 17:29 |
| Rackspace-Sam | the whitebox one I mean. | 17:29 |
| sdague | Rackspace-Sam: cool | 17:29 |
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| sdague | patelna_: I think there are plenty of places to discuss that in our scope conversations | 17:30 |
| davidkranz | Does any one have a strong opinion about the "?" cases to include or reject? | 17:30 |
| sdague | though honestly, the last couple of summits have lots of people complain about stuff like that, promiss to do things, and never show up with code. so I'm not actually sure it's a productive conversation to have. | 17:31 |
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| patelna_ | agree...also revisit nightly test driven environment | 17:31 |
| davidkranz | Also, at the last summit we had some QA group discussion outside of the scheduled summit sessions. | 17:31 |
| davidkranz | I presume we will do that again. | 17:31 |
| ravikumar_hp | davidkranz: I thnik Reliability and Scalability Testing - to be Y | 17:31 |
| davidkranz | So there will be time for other discussions. | 17:31 |
| sdague | yeh, stuff like that we can take into uncoference | 17:31 |
| sdague | ravikumar_hp: I'm N on that | 17:31 |
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| davidkranz | sdague: And we have the beer session as well :) | 17:32 |
| sdague | because I don't know how it would generate work we would do | 17:32 |
| Rackspace-Sam | I like reliability as an unconference as well. :-) | 17:32 |
| dwalleck | yeah, I can do that as an unconference | 17:32 |
| patelna_ | let's plan to have unconference session ...discuss nightly process and multi-node config as the stacks have grown now | 17:32 |
| dwalleck | I have some fun stuff I can show that might be helpful :) | 17:32 |
| sdague | remember, the point of design summit sessions is that every 6 months we get a chance to get together and discuss how to plan out the last 6 months | 17:32 |
| sdague | sorry, next 6 months | 17:33 |
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| davidkranz | I think Monty's session (the last one) could cover some of this as well. | 17:34 |
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| sdague | yep, that one is good | 17:34 |
| sdague | I think gap analysis should move to Y | 17:34 |
| sdague | and I like the metrics and statistics one as well | 17:34 |
| Rackspace-Sam | Gap analysis is cool, but maybe an unconference topic too? | 17:34 |
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| sdague | Rackspace-Sam: well, how many did we decide to push to uncoference? :) | 17:35 |
| Rackspace-Sam | LOL good point. :-) | 17:35 |
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| dwalleck | sdague: Yeah, I'm biased, but I think there's a lot of interest info we can be gathering | 17:35 |
| sdague | the way I think about the split is "unconference" tempest sessions should be "this is a neat idea, though I don't know how we'd address it in Havana in a systematic way" | 17:36 |
| davidkranz | We have six "?" and room for three in the schedule | 17:36 |
| sdague | davidkranz: is that after adding white box? | 17:36 |
| davidkranz | No. That has to be submitteed as a session. | 17:36 |
| sdague | ok | 17:37 |
| sdague | and what's with line 182 | 17:37 |
| sdague | that just has your name with a Y :) | 17:37 |
| ravikumar_hp | free spech by david | 17:37 |
| Rackspace-Sam | LOL | 17:37 |
| ravikumar_hp | speech | 17:37 |
| davidkranz | Don't know how that happened | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | davidkranz: wasn't that the strategies for gating line? | 17:38 |
| sdague | davidkranz: so how many slots do we get again? just making sure the Ys all line up | 17:38 |
| davidkranz | mtreinish: Yes. | 17:39 |
| sdague | ok, that's important | 17:39 |
| sdague | let's get that back in | 17:39 |
| davidkranz | mtreinish: I cut instead of copy when I pasted that above. | 17:39 |
| sdague | what is the clients bit? | 17:39 |
| davidkranz | I just reverted | 17:40 |
| davidkranz | sdague: We have 12 slots total | 17:40 |
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| sdague | also, I feel like we should circle around with Dean on grenade | 17:40 |
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| sdague | as I'd like to see that rolled in more | 17:40 |
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| davidkranz | There are now 12 Y | 17:40 |
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| sdague | dwalleck: what was your proposal on stats? | 17:41 |
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| dwalleck | sdague: The possibility of instrumenting the tests to gather timing/build time/etc further metrics for analysis | 17:42 |
| sdague | to understand if that's something we summit time for | 17:42 |
| dwalleck | In short | 17:42 |
| davidkranz | Now we have 13 | 17:42 |
| sdague | dwalleck: so actually, can we just agree yes | 17:42 |
| sdague | and take the conversation of how to the ML? | 17:42 |
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| davidkranz | That sounds reasonable | 17:43 |
| dwalleck | sounds good | 17:43 |
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| sdague | so if we take off metrics | 17:43 |
| davidkranz | mtreinish: OK, we will fold API versions to the general gating discussion. | 17:43 |
| sdague | I'd like to hold one slot to try to get dean in on grenade | 17:44 |
| sdague | for upgrade testing in the gate | 17:44 |
| davidkranz | sdague: OK | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | davidkranz: ok sure that should be fine | 17:44 |
| sdague | then I think we've got 12 (and we can juggle later if we need to) | 17:44 |
| Rackspace-Sam | I think its a good plan | 17:44 |
| sdague | and do the performance one as unconference | 17:45 |
| davidkranz | sdague: Right now there are 11. | 17:45 |
| ravikumar_hp | sdague: looks good. all interesting and relevant topics | 17:45 |
| davidkranz | sdague: Which do you propose changing to Y | 17:45 |
| davidkranz | sdague: OK | 17:45 |
| davidkranz | sdague: Are you going to submit that session? | 17:45 |
| davidkranz | Who is going to submit whitebox? | 17:46 |
| sdague | davidkranz: I'll circle with dtroyer to get him to submit it | 17:46 |
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| davidkranz | sdague: k | 17:46 |
| sdague | I think Rackspace-Sam said he would do whitebox | 17:46 |
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| davidkranz | Rackspace-Sam: Can you do that after the meeting? | 17:46 |
| Rackspace-Sam | Yeah. I'll submit whitebox testing/testing beyond the API. :-) | 17:46 |
| Rackspace-Sam | absolutely | 17:46 |
| davidkranz | Rackspace-Sam: Thanks. | 17:46 |
| davidkranz | Anything else on the summit schedule? | 17:47 |
| sdague | only and FYI | 17:47 |
| sdague | I figured I'd do a Tempest 101 session as an early unconference | 17:47 |
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| davidkranz | sdague: Sounds good. | 17:47 |
| sdague | davidkranz: also, don't schedule any of my talks for 5:20 on Tues, because I'm giving a User Summit talk :) | 17:47 |
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| davidkranz | sdague: Noted. | 17:48 |
| davidkranz | Any one else with any kind of scheduling issue? | 17:48 |
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| Rackspace-Sam | davidkranz: It's already submitted. It's called Beyond the API, End-2-End testing of OpenStack. Do you want us to submit it with a different title to be more distinct? | 17:48 |
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| davidkranz | I will make sure our 3 overlap slots with process are not of mutual intersest. | 17:48 |
| davidkranz | Rackspace-Sam: Not necessary. | 17:48 |
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| Rackspace-Sam | cool | 17:49 |
| davidkranz | #topic Open Discussion | 17:49 |
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| Rackspace-Sam | Excellent. I had a bit of an announcement/update for the community if I could. :-) | 17:49 |
| davidkranz | Rackspace-Sam: Please | 17:50 |
| Rackspace-Sam | Cool. Thanx David | 17:50 |
| Rackspace-Sam | we have been working really hard on how to share back with the community a lot of what we have been doing internally for testing in our pipeline after tempest has gated OpenStack | 17:50 |
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| Rackspace-Sam | and been talking a lot with Monty and the OpenStack CI team about getting Rackspace and others Ci closer to the open CI pipe | 17:51 |
| Rackspace-Sam | and we are planning on open sourcing our full internal functional testing engine/test suites that we use in our pipeline. We will be placing this on stack forge early next week | 17:52 |
| Rackspace-Sam | and will follow up with a heads up on the ML | 17:52 |
| sdague | Rackspace-Sam: cool | 17:52 |
| davidkranz | Rackspace-Sam: That's great! | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | Rackspace-Sam: very cool | 17:52 |
| Shree-HP | davidkranz> in the last few meeting, we discussed some tests on Multinode config testing especially with Quantum. Are we planning discuss this as part of unconf topic? that or some more on fuzzy logic for negative testing or test automation for build readability in Jenkins. etc? | 17:52 |
| andreaf | Rackspace-Sam: great thanks! | 17:52 |
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| davidkranz | Shree-HP: I think this is covered by one of the session topics. | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | one quick think from me: on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24805/ cyeoh suggested only using one format for bugs in skip messages | 17:53 |
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| sdague | Rackspace-Sam: you guys want to do an Infra session at summit on that? | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | I was wondering if people had preferences on the format (or with should stick with the multiple formats like we have now) | 17:54 |
| patelna_ | @Rackspace-Sam - good to hear your contributions | 17:54 |
| Rackspace-Sam | sdague: Yes. We would love to a session if everyone is interested | 17:54 |
| sdague | it sort of sits 1/2 way between QA and Infra | 17:54 |
| sdague | but I'd like a discussion regardless to figure out how we can integrate it | 17:54 |
| Rackspace-Sam | Exactly | 17:54 |
| sdague | even if we need to drop a QA topic we just agreed to :) | 17:54 |
| davidkranz | Shree-HP: Maybe " FITS testing of public clouds Monty Taylor " | 17:54 |
| patelna_ | cool request | 17:54 |
| Shree-HP | davidkranz> thanks will check with Monty | 17:55 |
| davidkranz | sdague: Maybe we can get Process to take it? | 17:55 |
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| Rackspace-Sam | our goal really is just to share what we have been working on and get teh community concensus on where it might fit in the open, what the best use of hte code base is, etc... | 17:55 |
| davidkranz | Shree-HP: Otherwise unconference is fine. | 17:55 |
| sdague | Rackspace-Sam: well submit, if we need to fiddle we can | 17:56 |
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| patelna_ | we like to hear from Rackspace-Sam on what he has done | 17:56 |
| Rackspace-Sam | ifSo you want us to submit a topic specifically on our internal test engine? | 17:56 |
| sdague | Rackspace-Sam: well in what you guys are putting to stackforge | 17:56 |
| sdague | so that we can figure out the right ways to pull parts in | 17:57 |
| davidkranz | Rackspace-Sam: Doing a walkthrough could be really helpful as an overview. | 17:57 |
| Rackspace-Sam | We will have several of our core test frameworks devs with us at the conference | 17:57 |
| patelna_ | +1 | 17:57 |
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| sdague | davidkranz: if we needed to drop a session to fit this, Avoiding duplication between unit and tempest tests David Kranz is probably the one to drop, because I doubt we'll have that many project devs in the room to help with it | 17:58 |
| davidkranz | Rackspace-Sam: I will beg THierry for another slot. | 17:58 |
| sdague | and that was mostly about education I thought back to the projects | 17:58 |
| Rackspace-Sam | We could actually use our engine that we are planning on dropping at stack forge as a case study in part of our topics. Whatever you guys think is best. :-) | 17:58 |
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| ravikumar_hp | Rackspace-Sam: what is the timeframe | 17:59 |
| sdague | Rackspace-Sam: yeh, submit a session, we can fiddle with the calendar later | 17:59 |
| Shree-HP | Rackspace-Sam> I am mainly interested in the negative fuzz logic for testing negative tests and the multinode tests if u have that at rackspace | 17:59 |
| Rackspace-Sam | cool. I'll submit something about our frameworks Case Study | 17:59 |
| sdague | dammit, too much good stuff to discuss :) | 17:59 |
| Shree-HP | we are developing something similar at HP and comparing the approach will be a good excercise | 17:59 |
| ravikumar_hp | Rackspace-Sam: can we discuss in unconference session | 18:00 |
| Rackspace-Sam | We have a good bit of various tests, the framework is plug-in and extension based, we will be releasing the engine, the OpenStack impl of that engine and a sub-set of the tests initially. We will then be releasing all of our OpenStack related test cases in the framework before the summit happens. | 18:00 |
| Shree-HP | Rackspace-Sam> looking forward to it. thanks | 18:01 |
| sdague | ok, got to run to another meeting now | 18:01 |
| davidkranz | I think we are out of time.... | 18:01 |
| sdague | see you guys in -qa | 18:01 |
| davidkranz | Thanks every one. Good meeting. | 18:01 |
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| sdague | where more folks should hang out | 18:02 |
| davidkranz | #endmeeting | 18:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 21 18:02:02 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-03-21-17.00.html | 18:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-03-21-17.00.txt | 18:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-03-21-17.00.log.html | 18:02 |
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| Rackspace-Sam | Cool Folks, I proposed Rackspace testing engine Case Study/Overview to talk about it. :-) | 18:03 |
| Rackspace-Sam | gotta run. Will talk to everyone soon. | 18:04 |
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| sn1p3r_rax_QE | o/ bye openstack meeting | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 21 18:07:46 2013 UTC. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 18:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | hi everyone | 18:08 |
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| nicolae_ | hi | 18:08 |
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| bdpayne | sorry that we're starting a little late today | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | I'd like to begin with syncing on items from last week | 18:09 |
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| bdpayne | #topic Checking in on action items | 18:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Checking in on action items (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 18:09 | |
| bdpayne | I'd like to report some progress on the idea of doing a documentation sprint for the security guide | 18:09 |
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| bdpayne | Anne put me in touch with the person who they have used in the past for such efforts | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | I got some details on cost and such, and am figuring our how to best most ahead | 18:10 |
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| bdpayne | noslzzp is traveling, but has been helping with this | 18:11 |
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| bdpayne | We may need some sponsorship money to help make this happen. If anyone's company would like to play that role, please let me know | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | The idea would be as follows | 18:11 |
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| bdpayne | I'm thinking 4-8 weeks post summit | 18:11 |
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| bdpayne | Get 8-10 people together in a room somewhere for 5 days | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | finish the week with a guide written | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | sponsorship money would help cover the cost of the facilitator, and the travel costs for participants | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | So, if you'd like to be involved as a participant, or a sponsor, then please sync with me | 18:13 |
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| bdpayne | any comments on this? | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | or any other progress to report? | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | noisy crowd today ;-) | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | in other news, noslzzp put up a PR for the security guide to start working in markdown | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | https://github.com/hyakuhei/OSSG_Hardening_Guide/pull/3 | 18:17 |
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| bdpayne | I'd like to rip out the latex files still… but we can start working on the markdown side of things now | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | so hopefully that helps others to get involved | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | #topic Summit Planning | 18:18 |
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| bdpayne | not sure who all is here today… but I'd like to start thinking a bit more about the summit | 18:19 |
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| bdpayne | Rob and I will be giving a talk on the current status of OSSG | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | If anyone has suggestions for things that should go into that talk, please let us know | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | what other talks are OSSG related at the summit? | 18:20 |
| rellerreller | There are two key manager talks. Malini is hosting a design session and Rackspace has a user session talk. | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | ok, sounds good | 18:21 |
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| lglenden | there are 9 user sessions tagged as security: http://openstacksummitapril2013.sched.org/overview/type/security | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | will there also be a design session on the storage encryption work? | 18:21 |
| rellerreller | APL has two design sessions on storage encryption | 18:21 |
| rellerreller | One is in Nova and the other in Cinder | 18:21 |
| lglenden | we have not submitted the descriptions yet but are planning to do so next week | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | ok, sounds good | 18:22 |
| rellerreller | Good point, Laura. I got a little ahead of myself. | 18:22 |
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| bdpayne | perhaps we can put together a "navigating the summit for security geeks" guide ;-) | 18:23 |
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| lglenden | there are a couple of other talks that may be of interest that aren't tagged as in the security track | 18:23 |
| lglenden | I haven't gone through them all yet | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | also, what would you guys say about a Monday night dinner for OSSG? | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | looks like there are parties every night, so we'll need to just grab a day to meet | 18:24 |
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| lglenden | sounds good with me | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | great | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | let's plan on that | 18:25 |
| rellerreller | I can't make the summit or else I would go | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | I'll explore restaurant options | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | perhaps we can get a head count within a week or so | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | #action everyone get head count for OSSG dinner on Monday night at summit | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | #Final Words | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | #topic Final Words | 18:26 |
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| bdpayne | that's all I have for today | 18:26 |
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| bdpayne | Rob will be leading this weekly meetings for a little bit going forward as I'm pretty bogged down here at work right now | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | but I'll aim to still be around… so feel free to touch base | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | any other comments / thoughts for today? | 18:27 |
| lglenden | I was wondering if anyone knew more about Rackspace's proposed key manager | 18:27 |
| nicolae_ | just wanted to say hi to everyone -- just joined the group (n-paladi) | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | indeed, hi nicolae_ | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | ok… more next week | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | thanks everyone | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 21 18:29:07 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-03-21-18.07.html | 18:29 |
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| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 21 21:02:04 2013 UTC. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:02 |
| russellb | #chair vishy | 21:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: russellb vishy | 21:02 |
| russellb | Who's around to talk about Nova? | 21:02 |
| * dansmith gurgles | 21:02 | |
| boris-42 | Hi | 21:02 |
| cyeoh | hi | 21:02 |
| mikal | Ahoy | 21:02 |
| sdague | o/ | 21:03 |
| alaski | hi | 21:03 |
| russellb | 7 so far :) | 21:03 |
| vishy | hi | 21:03 |
| russellb | 8! | 21:03 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 21:03 |
| russellb | #topic grizzly-rc1 and maybe rc2 | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "grizzly-rc1 and maybe rc2 (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:04 | |
| russellb | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/grizzly-rc1 | 21:04 |
| russellb | 200 bugs closed in 4 weeks :) | 21:04 |
| russellb | bugs fixed* | 21:04 |
| mikal | That's pretty cool | 21:04 |
| sdague | nice | 21:04 |
| russellb | even more closed | 21:04 |
| russellb | yeah, i thought that was pretty awesome | 21:04 |
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| mikal | Still a pretty big collection of ancient bugs to close though... | 21:05 |
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| russellb | There is the possibility of grizzly-rc2 | 21:05 |
| russellb | vishy pointed out this bug earlier today: https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo/+bug/1158179 | 21:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1158179 in oslo "Lockutils - deletes directory rendering locks invalid" [Undecided,In progress] | 21:05 |
| russellb | so we should be on the lookout for other bugs that may be rc2 worthy | 21:05 |
| boris-42 | Btw | 21:06 |
| boris-42 | https://answers.launchpad.net/nova/+question/224818 | 21:06 |
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| russellb | We have 24 new bugs, need to triage those, hopefully nothing release blocker worthy | 21:06 |
| boris-42 | I don't know is this only caused by wrong settings or something is not ok with service update method… | 21:06 |
| boris-42 | But I wrote tests for db.service methods recent.. so it should work as expected.. | 21:07 |
| russellb | grizzly-3? ancient! | 21:08 |
| russellb | anything else on grizzly rc status? | 21:08 |
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| russellb | #topic design summit | 21:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "design summit (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:08 | |
| russellb | #link http://summit.openstack.org | 21:09 |
| russellb | we already have more proposals than time slots :-) | 21:09 |
| russellb | official deadline is end of March, but if you know of something you want to propose, please do it as soon as you're able | 21:09 |
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| russellb | i'm trying to get as much of the planning done early as possible | 21:09 |
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| russellb | as i'll be on vacation for the beginning of april, for most of the time before summit | 21:09 |
| russellb | also take a look over what's proposed and see what you think is missing | 21:10 |
| russellb | as far as big topics that you'd expect to be discussed | 21:10 |
| russellb | any questions / comments about design summit planning? | 21:10 |
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| russellb | alrighty | 21:11 |
| russellb | #topic backportable db migrations | 21:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "backportable db migrations (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:11 | |
| russellb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-March/006827.html | 21:11 |
| sdague | only question, did you get quantum folks to buy into the cross sessions? | 21:11 |
| russellb | sdague: yes, I spoke to Mark yesterday about it and he's totally on board | 21:11 |
| sdague | cool | 21:11 |
| russellb | our idea was to reserve 2 sessions for Nova + Quantum people | 21:12 |
| russellb | one at the beginning of the week, and one near the end | 21:12 |
| russellb | one to outline some goals, identify quantum as a priority for nova, discuss what it would take to become the default ... | 21:12 |
| russellb | and then again to get back together, identify concrete tasks, and discuss anything that changed in our thinking as we went through the rest of our sessions | 21:12 |
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| russellb | hopefully we'll fit in a room :) | 21:13 |
| russellb | sdague: how does that sound to you? | 21:13 |
| sdague | russellb: sounds good. | 21:13 |
| russellb | cool | 21:13 |
| russellb | so on this db migrations thing ... i mainly wanted nova-core to be aware to make sure everyone kept it in mind when reviewing migrations | 21:14 |
| russellb | the placeholders should not be replaced with a real migration in havana (i saw that in one patch today) | 21:14 |
| mikal | We expect new migrations to consume one of those reserved numbers? Or to start after those? | 21:14 |
| mikal | And the reseved ones are for grizzly? | 21:14 |
| russellb | start after those | 21:14 |
| russellb | correct | 21:14 |
| mikal | Ahhh, ok, yeah | 21:14 |
| mikal | There was a review which did the wrong thing yesterday then | 21:15 |
| russellb | didn't go in did it? | 21:15 |
| boris-42 | russelb | 21:15 |
| boris-42 | Probably we should add big comment? | 21:15 |
| boris-42 | DO NOT REPLACE THIS?) | 21:15 |
| mikal | russellb: no -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/21185/ | 21:15 |
| russellb | boris-42: sure :-) | 21:16 |
| mikal | boris-42: I like idiot proofing | 21:16 |
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| dripton | I'll add comments to the placeholder migrations to make it clear. | 21:16 |
| russellb | mikal: k thx | 21:16 |
| russellb | good idea | 21:16 |
| boris-42 | =) | 21:16 |
| russellb | other thing to make sure of is that migrations are idempotent | 21:16 |
| mikal | russellb: I'll make sure matiu knows to not replace that | 21:16 |
| russellb | in theory that makes them safe to backport if someone chooses to ... | 21:16 |
| russellb | and let this be motivation for someone to work on alembic again :-) | 21:17 |
| dripton | We have test_migrations.py now which makes it somewhat easier to test idempotence. | 21:17 |
| boris-42 | I will be glad=) | 21:17 |
| * matiu reads back | 21:17 | |
| dripton | At least it tests that they go up and back down correctly. | 21:17 |
| boris-42 | to avoid sqlalchemy-migration at all=) | 21:17 |
| dripton | If there's sufficient interest in Alembic for backportable migrations, then I will bring https://review.openstack.org/#/c/15196/ up to date. | 21:17 |
| boris-42 | sqlalchemy-migrate* | 21:17 |
| sdague | except, doesn't alembic cause the other issue where you can't backport unless you backport exactly the same migration? | 21:18 |
| sdague | I thought that came up in summit last time | 21:18 |
| matiu | yeah I fixed that review already, I put the placeholder back :) | 21:18 |
| sdague | or is the a concept of a merge migration to handle that? | 21:18 |
| russellb | sdague: i don't know, i'd like to get some concrete info on how it would work in that case | 21:18 |
| dripton | sdague: alembic supports arbitrary ordering of migrations (like git with commits), so you could theoretically rework the migration into almost-the-same for your backport, if needed. | 21:19 |
| dripton | it's the static ordering that kills us with migrate. As far as the APIs go I don't care. | 21:19 |
| sdague | dripton: ok, well it's probably worth chatting about in portland | 21:19 |
| russellb | would be good to write up some documentation with a proposal to migrate to it | 21:20 |
| sdague | just to make sure all the edge cases are covered, like a long running grizzly tree with 5 backported migrations that aren't exactly the same as havana, and then trying to roll forward to havana release | 21:20 |
| russellb | to cover the work needed to migrate, and how it would (or wouldn't) help backportability, etc. | 21:20 |
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| dripton | I'll write up a blueprint for switching to alembic. | 21:20 |
| sdague | dripton: awesome | 21:21 |
| russellb | that would be great | 21:21 |
| russellb | blueprints also have a "link to specification" | 21:21 |
| russellb | would be good to write up details on the wiki and link to it | 21:21 |
| boris-42 | dription +1 | 21:21 |
| * russellb notes that quantum uses alembic | 21:21 | |
| russellb | so we wouldn't be breaking new ground for openstack in general | 21:22 |
| dripton | but they just started using it so I don't think they have much to tell us. It just means OpenStack doesn't gain another dependency. | 21:22 |
| russellb | but they started fresh IIRC, as opposed to having to migrate to it | 21:22 |
| sdague | yeh, the cuttover will be "fun" :) | 21:23 |
| mikal | Well, we do love a good painful migration... | 21:23 |
| russellb | cool, anything more on this topic? | 21:24 |
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| russellb | #topic review criteria | 21:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review criteria (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:24 | |
| russellb | So, nova-core is pretty big, and consistency in the way we review is something we should always be striving for | 21:24 |
| russellb | so I think it's a good topic to bring up any week | 21:24 |
| russellb | one thing I thought about today was around OpenStack API changes | 21:25 |
| russellb | we discussed before about requiring API samples, which is great | 21:25 |
| russellb | i was thinking we should also require a corresponding novaclient patch be ready to go | 21:25 |
| dripton | How does that work with gerrit since nova and novaclient are in different repos? | 21:26 |
| russellb | seem reasonable? | 21:26 |
| sdague | sounds reasonable, might make people look at novaclient more often if nothing else | 21:26 |
| russellb | just convention | 21:26 |
| sdague | dripton: yeh, just like adding tempest tests | 21:26 |
| alaski | I like it, though I'm one of the recent offenders | 21:26 |
| sdague | you can't enforce it on a single commit | 21:26 |
| russellb | alaski: cool ;-) | 21:26 |
| sdague | but you can shame people if they don't do it | 21:26 |
| dripton | ok, we're good at shame | 21:26 |
| sdague | well, we can make it possitive and have mikal hand out cookies :) | 21:27 |
| sdague | for those that do it right | 21:27 |
| mikal | We certainly need to get better at paying attention to novaclient | 21:27 |
| russellb | and gold stars! | 21:27 |
| mikal | sdague: I can do that... | 21:27 |
| russellb | so i just have a review queue bookmark that shows me all the stuff i want to be reviewing regularly | 21:28 |
| russellb | but to each their own, whatever works for you | 21:28 |
| sdague | I wonder if there is a way to trick gerrit into showing novaclient as well when you click nova in the ui | 21:28 |
| russellb | but using that bookmark the last few weeks has been very helpful | 21:28 |
| mikal | There is a project search param | 21:28 |
| dripton | russellb: can you paste your bookmark again (mine is probably worse) | 21:28 |
| mikal | But I'm not sure it can do two projects at once | 21:28 |
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| russellb | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/nova+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/oslo-incubator+OR+project:openstack/oslo.config)+(branch:master+OR+branch:stable/grizzly),n,z | 21:28 |
| russellb | that's what i'm using ... you can edit to your liking | 21:28 |
| mikal | Oh, nice | 21:28 |
| mikal | That's better than mine | 21:29 |
| dripton | better than mine too. Stealing. | 21:29 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:29 |
| russellb | heh, steal away | 21:29 |
| sdague | russellb: that should go somewhere, it's super useful | 21:29 |
| russellb | sdague: it's going in the meeting log! | 21:29 |
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| russellb | sdague: but yeah, dunno where to put it | 21:29 |
| dripton | wiki page? | 21:29 |
| russellb | which one | 21:30 |
| russellb | ReviewWorkflowTips | 21:30 |
| russellb | i just made that up. | 21:30 |
| russellb | #topic open discussion | 21:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:31 | |
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| russellb | that's all i had | 21:31 |
| sdague | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/nova+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/oslo-incubator+OR+project:openstack/oslo.config)+(branch:master+OR+branch:stable/grizzly),n,z | 21:31 |
| mikal | I want to know if anyone is using moniker at all | 21:31 |
| russellb | sdague: ah good idea :) | 21:31 |
| sdague | now it will be in the highlights :) | 21:31 |
| mikal | Given I discovered it this morning | 21:31 |
| mikal | And if people are, should I rip the DNS driver layer out of nova-network | 21:31 |
| mikal | Especially given it only supports LDAP backed DNS | 21:32 |
| dripton | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReviewWorkflowTips exists now | 21:32 |
| russellb | i don't think we should be considering ripping anything out in favor of something that's not even incubated yet | 21:32 |
| mikal | russellb: I think that depends on if _anyone_ uses the current implementation | 21:32 |
| russellb | and i think it'd be worth asking the quantum folks what they think about the direction of DNS support | 21:32 |
| mikal | I am accussing it of being dead code | 21:33 |
| russellb | heh | 21:33 |
| russellb | presumably who added it uses it? | 21:33 |
| mikal | That would be wikimedia | 21:33 |
| * devananda shows up late (packing for a 10-day trip), reads scrollback | 21:33 | |
| russellb | devananda: we signed you up to fix everything | 21:33 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:33 |
| sdague | any idea if monkier is applying for incubation? | 21:34 |
| devananda | russellb: perfect. I'll have plenty of time on the plane :) | 21:34 |
| sdague | just to even know if it's fruitful | 21:34 |
| russellb | devananda: enjoy your trip :) | 21:34 |
| dripton | devananda: if you can fix all 400 bugs on the plane trip, I'll buy your plane ticket. | 21:34 |
| mikal | They're on stackforge, which I think means yes? | 21:34 |
| russellb | mikal: recent activity? | 21:34 |
| mikal | March was quiet for them | 21:35 |
| mikal | There's basically one developer as well, which is a concern | 21:35 |
| mikal | For people's benefit, the back story is I'm sitting one a dyndns driver for the dns layer in nova-network | 21:35 |
| russellb | reach out to the dev, ask him how he views the status/future | 21:35 |
| mikal | And I'm trying to decide if I send it off for review, or redo with moniker | 21:35 |
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| sdague | mikal: yeh, one dev doesn't make an incubated project | 21:37 |
| russellb | mikal: meh, send for review, you've already done the work | 21:37 |
| mikal | russellb: fair enough | 21:37 |
| mikal | russellb: I'm annoyed with myself mostly | 21:37 |
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| mikal | sdague: well, I could fix that by helping him... | 21:37 |
| russellb | may have to get redone someday for quantum, if that stuff ends up in quantum | 21:38 |
| dripton | there are actually at least 3 devs. It's just 1 has done most of the recent work. | 21:38 |
| mikal | The other factor is moniker is biggish for what it does, and another daemon to setup | 21:38 |
| mikal | So maybe that makes having a DNS driver in nova more exciting | 21:38 |
| sdague | or quantum? | 21:38 |
| mikal | Top authors (mikal is 0 lines): | 21:38 |
| mikal | 4: andrewbogott | 21:38 |
| mikal | 10: Davide Guerri | 21:38 |
| mikal | 124: Andrey Perminov | 21:38 |
| mikal | 154: JC Martin | 21:38 |
| mikal | 1713: Patrick Galbraith | 21:38 |
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| mikal | 6690: Endre Karlson | 21:38 |
| mikal | 30395: Kiall Mac Innes | 21:38 |
| mikal | (Says my crappy script) | 21:38 |
| mikal | So its mostly one person | 21:38 |
| sdague | what about by changesets? | 21:39 |
| sdague | lines are always skewed | 21:39 |
| russellb | how about email openstack-dev and ask about project status/future? | 21:39 |
| russellb | we're just guessing here | 21:39 |
| dripton | +1 | 21:39 |
| mikal | Yeah, I'll send an email | 21:39 |
| russellb | k | 21:39 |
| mikal | I might as -operators if anyone has the current DNS driver deployed as well | 21:39 |
| russellb | cool | 21:39 |
| mikal | sdague: 309 changesets from Kiall, the next closest is Endre with 30. | 21:40 |
| mikal | So yeah, this is mostly me picking y'alls brains | 21:40 |
| mikal | It seems there's some hesitation with moniker, so I'll go and ask questions | 21:40 |
| russellb | ow that hurts | 21:40 |
| russellb | any other comments / questions / rants ? | 21:41 |
| russellb | allllllrighty then, thanks! | 21:43 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 21:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 21 21:43:24 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-03-21-21.02.html | 21:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-03-21-21.02.txt | 21:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-03-21-21.02.log.html | 21:43 |
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