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jgriffith#startmeeting cinder16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 10 16:00:20 2013 UTC.  The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)"16:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:00
jgriffithhey folks!16:00
jgriffithnice turn out :)16:01
jgriffithSo I don't have much in the way of formalities today16:01
jgriffithTrying to do too much before next week16:01
jgriffithwinston-d: do you EVER sleep!16:01
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winston-djgriffith : :)16:01
jgriffithOk...  let's roll16:01
jgriffith#topic summit updates/plans16:02
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jgriffithvincent_hou_: hey there!16:02
avishayvincent_hou_: hi16:02
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jgriffithI pushed session out to incase you didn't notice16:02
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vincent_hou_nice to see you.16:02
jgriffithanything anybody sees as concerning so far?16:02
jgriffithanybody think of a session topic that we need and don't have?16:03
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avishayjgriffith: didn't check the sched but did you get the notice that winston-d and i are merging our similar sessions?16:03
hemnajgriffith, state machine?16:03
winston-davishay : yeah, i told jgriffith about that.16:03
jgriffithavishay: well... I got it yesterday from winston-d16:03
hemnaare we touching that for Havana?16:03
jgriffithavishay: but I had already pushed16:03
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jgriffithand I think we can fill two sessions on those topics16:04
jgriffithso I scheduled them back to back and left them seperate16:04
avishayjgriffith: yes we definitely can, ok16:04
DuncanTI meant to ping Avishy about mentioning state machines duing smart shutdown but forgot16:04
jgriffithwe can meld the discussion across the two16:04
jgriffithOh snap!16:04
jgriffithOk... I have one reserved place-holder, that may be where that goes16:04
jgriffithdo we need an entire session for states?16:05
hemnakinda felt like a big one?16:05
jgriffithie do we have enough thought around it to actually be productive in 40 minutes?16:05
hemnanot I16:05
winston-dmaybe not16:05
avishaynot sure16:05
jgriffithI think we're going to miss it again16:06
jgriffithOk.. I proose this16:06
DuncanTI can talk for 40 minutes on it, but I don't think it needs 40 minutes16:06
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jgriffithDuncanT: fair16:06
jgriffithalright.. plan:16:06
jgriffithWe'll talk informally between now and summit sessions16:06
jgriffithand we'll see where it might tie in to the existing sessions16:07
jgriffithie as was mentioned during the shutdown session16:07
kmartinjgriffith: want to mention the etherpad naming convention?<session name>16:07
jgriffithkmartin: Oh.. yes, thanks!16:07
jgriffithso for those that don't know16:07
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avishaywith capital letters?16:07
jgriffithIf you're doing a session create an etherpad as described.16:08
jgriffithoops.. I'd prefer no caps, but if we've already started down that path, so beit16:08
avishayany way to rename etherpads?  i already made one.  or just copy-paste into a new one?16:08
kmartinsome have been start already but easy to change16:09
hemnasoren, I've never "run" a session before16:09
jgriffithavishay: I don't think you can rename, just copy/paste16:09
hemnais there some preso required?16:09
avishayjgriffith: ok no problem16:09
xyang_jgriffith: can you do a summit session with slides?16:09
hemnaor just show up with an etherpad and start talking?16:09
jgriffithxyang_: etherpad and start talking typically16:09
xyang_jgriffith: is etherpad required?16:09
DuncanTCopy/ paste an put a link in the old one to the new one16:09
jgriffithxyang_: yes16:09
avishayDuncanT: OK16:09
jgriffithehterpad allows us to have a record of the conversation16:10
hemnaat this point for the 2 sessions, I don't have much other than the ideas for the topics16:10
kmartinsolved: summit-havana-cinder-<session-name>16:10
xyang_ok thanks16:10
jgriffithit also allows people to participate remotely16:10
jgriffithkmartin: thank you sir!16:10
winston-dxyang_ : i think you were there in last summit?16:10
jgriffithhemna: that's fine16:10
jgriffithhemna: not uncommon16:10
xyang_winston-d: yes16:10
hemnaI just feel unprepared :P16:10
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hemnaIt's a learning process at this point for me.16:11
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jgriffithhemna: Well fix that dan it :)16:11
jgriffithhemna: just kidding16:11
jgriffithhemna: So remember the idea is to collaborate16:11
jgriffithhemna: not to just say "here's what I'm doing"16:11
avishayjgriffith: where do we put the etherpads?  i saw some wiki link but it didn't have the cinder sessions on it16:11
winston-dhemna : :) it's  more like discussion than presentation. so if you can get others to talk you don't even have to prepare anything. :p16:11
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kmartinavishay: https://etherpad.openstack.org16:12
hemnaok perfect16:12
jgriffithavishay: That's what kmartin was pointing out16:12
hemnaI'm looking forward to it16:12
jgriffithso you just create it with the convention he gave above ^^16:12
jgriffithis that what you meant?16:12
winston-dthere should be a wiki to keep track of all etherpads16:12
avishayi mean, how do people find the etherpad for a session16:12
DuncanTIs there an index of pads somewhere?16:12
hemnawinston-d, +116:12
jgriffithavishay: and if I *find* the master key (which we have for the entire summit) I'll add them16:12
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hemnayou can't search on the etherpad site :(16:13
vincent_housummit-havana-cinder-<session-name>. do we keep the <>?16:13
avishayvincent_hou: no16:13
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jgriffithDuncanT: typically we'll have a key when the sessions get going16:13
DuncanTvincent_hou: No16:13
jgriffithDuncanT: also that's why the naming convention16:13
jgriffithBut I'll find out where we're putting the key16:13
avishayso meanwhile i'll make an etherpad and hope i don't lose the URL :P16:13
jgriffithI should've updated the session info with the etherpad link16:14
jgriffithI meant to do that after last summit16:14
DuncanTjgriffith: I know I screwed up all mine last year and had to do some rapid fixup, but the gods of wifi coverage were kind and I managed to sort it before the session started :-)16:14
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kmartinDuncanT: Grizzly etherpads:
avishayoops that's the old one16:14
jgriffithhaha... Yes, you and I both had some issues as well as some others16:14
jgriffithavishay: perfect!  thanks16:14
hemnaok who's creating the Cinder section?16:15
hemnaso we don't all do it :)16:15
jgriffithI'm doing it now16:15
jgriffithOnce it's up you can put your own session etherpad link in16:15
avishayjust an off-topic announcement - the patch to fix jenkins tests just went through - i will add 'recheck's16:15
smulcahyavishay: thanks - you putting rechecks on all?16:17
jgriffithavishay: coolness!16:17
avishaysmulcahy: well those for master ... we'll need to deal with grizzly backports now....16:17
jgriffithOk... the cinder section is up16:17
smulcahyyeah, they need to pull your patch too I think16:17
jgriffithSo on sessions, there's one outlier here16:18
jgriffithSo this one is an interesting topic and I think it's important16:19
avishayjgriffith: try again without the 'edit'16:19
avishayjgriffith: 'forbidden'16:19
jgriffithhowever, I don't feel there's enough info16:19
jgriffithevery time!!!16:19
DuncanTjgriffith: Unconference it ?16:20
avishayjgriffith: did you talk to lifeless ?16:20
jgriffithwinston-d: thanks16:20
jgriffithDuncanT: yes16:20
jgriffithavishay: yes extensively16:20
jgriffithMy concern is that the problem definition isn't very clear16:21
jgriffithwe'll never be productive in 40 minutes16:21
avishayjgriffith: i see16:21
jgriffithIt took me that long to get all of the pieces to this put together16:21
jgriffithlet alone think about solving it :)16:21
jgriffithSo I've prposed to him we unconf it16:21
DuncanTIt does seem like an interesting problem space though16:21
jgriffithDuncanT: indeed16:21
jgriffithbut it's a bit vague on what it is16:22
jgriffithit doesn't fit nicely into any existing model's IMO16:22
jgriffithwanted to make everyone aware16:22
jgriffithwe'll be talking about it16:22
jgriffithbut may not have a formal session16:22
winston-dthanks for the heads-up. that's interesting topic16:23
jgriffithcool cool16:24
jgriffith#topic bugs16:24
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DuncanTAre we still planning on a testing unconf too?16:24
jgriffithDuncanT: indeed16:24
j_kingyay testing. :)16:24
jgriffithj_king: :)16:24
avishaywhat's an unconference?16:24
jgriffithUnconference is the same as a session16:25
jgriffithbut we hijack a room16:25
jgriffithand just get together even less formally16:25
jgriffithSo there's a number of annoying little things showing up16:25
jgriffithI just wanted to put the call out, PLEASE make sure you're testing this week16:26
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hemnaIs there a list of these unconfs ?16:26
jgriffithand of course triaging/filing and fixing16:26
jgriffithand don't forget about reviews16:26
DuncanThemna: They get posted at the event16:26
jgriffithhemna: no16:26
jgriffithThat's all I got... anybody else?16:26
jgriffith#topic open discussion16:26
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hemnawe have a stress test tool that I wrote here that we are using to stress test cinder and our drivers16:27
jgriffithhemna: nice!16:27
avishayanyone know when does the next grizzly version come out with backports?16:27
avishayusually 2 months, right?16:27
hemnait's not really ready for public consumption, but would we be interested in making it available for public consumption or as part of the project somehow?16:28
jgriffithavishay: thorw it on your github :)16:28
avishayjgriffith: right, that'll fly :)16:28
DuncanThemna: Sounds good - we've got a similar tool. There's a /really/ old version on github but another release would be a plan16:28
hemnaI'll see what I can do16:29
jgriffithhemna: so if it can be made generic for the other drivers, it would be really cool to contribute!16:29
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hemnaIt's very generic right now16:29
jgriffithie tempest augment etc16:29
hemnait's a threaded python app16:29
jgriffithhemna: excellent!16:29
hemnathat basically uses the cinder client apis16:29
jgriffithhemna: we seem to think alike ;)16:29
hemnaas well as the nova apis16:29
j_kingshareable block devices among several instances?16:29
hemnato create N vms16:29
hemnaY volumes, then attaches, detaches, etc16:30
jgriffithI think it would be interesting to get something like that built up and added to CI16:30
avishayj_king: that will be discussed at the summit16:30
vincent_houhemna: will it be an independent project?16:30
j_kingavishay: ah cool.. I'd like to follow that one closely16:30
hemnaWe've found bugs in our drivers using the tool16:30
* j_king interested in distributed coordination16:30
hemnalet me see if I can approval to post the code on my github16:30
hemnathen we can decide what to do with it....if anything16:30
jgriffithhemna: that would be awesome16:30
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avishayhemna: +116:30
winston-dhemna : tempest has already some stress testing cases, maybe that's the right place to contribute16:31
hemnaI haven't mucked w/ tempest yet16:31
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jgallardwinston-d, +116:31
avishayhmmm end meeting?16:32
jgallardjust for information, we have started some thoughts about: a way to place instances nearly to their volumes with ceph backend, for those who are interested an etherpad is available here:
hemnawe have another script that is a continuous test runs indefinitely to do various cinder actions.16:32
xyang_kmartin: have you found out where the new block storage admin guide is located16:32
kmartinxyang_: yep16:33
avishayjgallard: IBM has similar thoughts for GPFS16:33
xyang_kmartin: link?16:33
jgallardavishay, oh great! do you have some pointers?16:33
xyang_kmartin: thanks16:33
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jgallardavishay, ok, I didn't saw it, thanks16:34
winston-djgallard : avishay will there be session for these two?16:34
avishaywinston-d: jgallard: the second link is a session16:35
jgallardwinston-d, probably it will be: ?16:35
avishayjgallard: don't think so, let me check16:36
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kmartinjgriffith: was added to
jgallardavishay, ok, thanks16:36
jgriffithkmartin: :)16:36
hemnaadded my 2 sessions to the wiki16:37
jgriffithcool.. we're rolling now16:37
avishayjgallard: kind of a pain to map proposals to sessions16:37
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jgallardavishay, YES!!!16:37
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rushiagrhi, sry m late16:38
jgriffithrushiagr: no worries16:39
jgriffithrushiagr: there seems to be something interesting going on with the netapp tests16:39
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jgriffithrushiagr: ie they're failing :(16:39
jgriffithrushiagr: not sure if folks already reched out to you on that or not?16:39
rushiagrjgriffith: yeah, was tracking that16:40
jgriffithrushiagr: cool16:40
jgriffithalright.. I really don't have anything16:40
jgriffithand we're all around in #cinder anyway16:40
rushiagrmade some progress on that, but yet to decide how to fix it off16:40
jgriffithshall we call it a meeting?16:40
hemnasounds good16:40
jgriffiththanks everyone!16:41
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jgriffithFor those that will be in Portland, looking forward to meeting you all in person16:41
winston-dsee u next week!16:41
vincent_houc u16:41
jgriffithFor those that can't make it, I try to get on IRC and maintain some communications on what's going on16:41
xyang_see u16:41
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shardy#startmeeting heat19:01
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shardy#topic rollcall19:02
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shardy#startmeeting heat20:00
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shardy#topic rollcall20:01
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shardyshardy here20:01
shardy#topic Review last week's actions20:03
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shardySo I don't see any in the minutes, and I didn't make last weeks meeting20:03
asalkeldyea, I can't remember any20:03
shardyAnyone got anything to report related to last week's discussions?20:03
sdakethe minutes are in a link off the agenda page but don't recall any actions20:03
shardyok, can move on then20:03
shardy#topic Summit session review20:04
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shardySo I guess we've reviewed the sessions, but are we happy with the sessions, and who's doing what?20:04
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asalkeldyea, I need to do some work on mine20:04
shardyI'm planning to lead the credentials session, but anyone have anything they need help with for the sessions they proposed?20:05
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stevebakerwe should have time to prepare for the Heat Update session in person20:05
shardystevebaker: sounds good20:05
zanebnot sure if SpamapS wants me to lead the parallel resource creation session?20:05
zanebalso, not sure what that session should involve20:06
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shardyFor those who missed it earlier, we're planning an informal Heat get-together on the SUnday night20:06
zaneb"once upon a time, I already wrote all the code."20:06
asalkeldanyone has any thoughts on scaling heat look here:
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shardyzaneb: Live demo? :D20:06
asalkeldwe should really put stuff in the etherpads so others can contibute20:07
zanebthat assumes I can actually still get Openstack to install and run on my laptop20:07
barefootwhere will the information get together be?20:07
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asalkeldbarefoot, don't know20:07
shardybarefoot: to be decided20:07
barefootkk thanks20:07
asalkeldwe will meetup at the sunday summit registration20:08
asalkeldI think that is 3pm20:08
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asalkeld(see where to go from there)20:09
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shardyAnything else summit related?20:09
zanebwhat is the deal with the OpenShift event on Sunday?20:09
zanebwill that cause scheduling issues?20:10
stevebakerI've signed up for it but I may just drift in an out20:10
asalkeldnot sure, but if you can go that would good20:10
zanebstevebaker: link?20:10
stevebaker3 tickets left!20:11
zanebbtw, would any of the RAX folks who might be here like to introduce themselves?20:11
asalkeldhi sandy20:12
oubiwannzaneb: hey man, I'm Duncan McGreggor20:12
zanebso, there's two teams involved here from RAX, right?20:13
barefootzaneb: hey, I'm Shawn Ashlee20:13
shardywelcome guys :)20:13
oubiwannsome other RAX folks are at lunch, but they should be here soon20:13
oubiwannshardy: thanks!20:13
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zanebindeed, welcome20:13
oubiwannwirehead_ <-- Racker too20:13
zanebwould y'all like to give us a rundown on which areas you're working in?20:14
asalkeldare you guys attending other summit dev sessions?20:14
oubiwannasalkeld: yes20:14
asalkeldor could we do some more meetups on tue/wed20:14
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asalkeldone of those days seemed a bit "light"20:14
oubiwannstill working out the logistics on who exactly will be there, but we'll be in most of the Heat discussions at the summit20:14
oubiwannasalkeld: +1!20:15
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asalkeldwell maybe we can grab an unconf. room20:15
fsargentI'm Felix Sargent, Hi! <-- Racker20:17
oubiwannzaneb: oh, your suggestion -- yes, we can talk about the autoscale portion20:17
oubiwannnot sure if the other team is here right now or not?20:18
zanebok cool, thanks for that guys20:18
oubiwannwe're super curious to see where folks want to take autoscaling20:18
asalkeldyou guys interested in autoscale must also go to the thursday ceilometer talks20:18
fsargentI'll be there.20:19
asalkeldplaning alarming20:19
oubiwannwhether that's to split some portion out for a user-consumable API with a standalone REST API service or whether everything happens in Heat20:19
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oubiwannwhichever one ends up being the preferred approach, we want to start hacking on contributions that make "that" possible20:19
oubiwann(whatever "that" ends up entailing)20:20
asalkeldoubiwann, we could have a "user-consumable API with a standalone REST API service" in heat20:20
oubiwannin other words, no agenda, just devs ready and waiting to jump in!20:20
asalkeldthat would also be easy20:20
oubiwannasalkeld: that sounds like a great start, then!20:20
shardyYeah, agree, easiest first step is to leave the AS core logic in heat-engine and add a new API if that's what you need20:21
asalkeldso one problem is it is difficult to depend on a non-core project20:21
SpamapSsorry.. got stuck in traffic20:21
oubiwannSpamapS: wassup!20:21
asalkeldwow we are going to have a pile of devs from now on20:23
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shardyDo we want to continue this AS discussion next week, and firm up plans potentially for some additional informal/meetup time during the week?20:24
oubiwannasalkeld: sorry, working on parsing intent of that comment… maybe this?: meaning that keeping it in core makes things a lot easier, and if there ever was a need to split things, it would likely be very obvious and Heat would generate a new project (that presumably would also be accepted as core)?20:24
SpamapSre Sunday night, thats a nogo for me, I don't arrive until nearly midnight20:24
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asalkeldoubiwann, well we would have to have a copy in Heat20:25
oubiwannah, got it20:25
asalkeldso if we really want to split20:25
asalkeldthe code will need to be sync'd20:25
SpamapSregarding autoscaling, I'd suggest that people do some brain dumps to mailing list today/tomorrow so we can all do our homework over the weekend and come prepared with solid questions.20:25
asalkeldfor a while anyways20:25
lifelessoubiwann: o/20:25
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oubiwannSpamapS: +120:25
oubiwannlifeless: !20:26
zanebit's also a lot easier to incubate a new project inside an existing core project than to try and get it accepted from scratch20:26
SpamapSI'd also like people to think on what Heat really is and why it should encompass autoscaling.20:26
asalkeldI am not sure of the value in seperating - personally, there is not much logic in autoscaling20:26
SpamapSTO me, it is "the thing which calls the other APIs"20:26
asalkeldif the monitoring can do alarms20:26
SpamapSWhich is why AS in heat makes a lot of sense.20:26
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asalkeldbasically what is left is cooldown20:27
zanebit makes sense that people who are not using templates still want to use autoscaling though20:27
rax_randallbI can envision wanting to use AS outside of heat, though.20:27
asalkeldyou guys are getting confused with project view and deployment view20:28
SpamapSzaneb: right, which is why I suggest Heat not be "the thing that parses templates into API"20:28
asalkeldwhat project some code lives in does not determine how you deploy20:28
rax_randallbasalkeld: right. sorry, kinda new to the party here.20:28
asalkeldas long as we have a good seperate rest api for people to use20:29
asalkeld(still open to tho')20:29
asalkeld(still open to it tho')20:29
zanebthat's true, as long as it really can be deployed independently20:29
SpamapSThe template API is just the declarative entry point. Imperative calls "make me a stack. make an instance in the stack. make a scaling group in the stack." should be added to appease the "no templates for autoscaling" use case.20:29
zanebour friend from the ML will not be happy20:30
* oubiwann chortles20:30
SpamapSzaneb: I hope that he will, once we are all in a room and chatting about it.20:30
oubiwannit sounded like he just needed to have some good conversations with folks…20:30
oubiwannSpamapS: bingo20:30
zanebin any event, even if we want to make it separate, giving it a separate api is the first step20:31
SpamapSThis is why taking out the language from the wiki page "Heat is [basically CloudFormation]..." is so important. :)20:31
zanebso I think we can all support doing that20:31
SpamapS"One aspect of Heat is compatibility with CloudFormation"20:31
asalkeldwell it has always been the project that uses everything20:32
asalkeldso we end up having to impl. missing stuff20:32
asalkeldlike lb20:32
asalkeldand it makes sense to split some out20:33
asalkeldbut maybe not everything20:33
oubiwannhow far along is Quantum LBaaS, does anyone know?20:33
SpamapSasalkeld: right, that pragmatism can continue for sure.. but autoscaling feels like it will happily live just fine in heat.20:33
SpamapSoubiwann: PoC from what I understand, but rapidly evolving.20:33
SpamapSas in, they have proved the concept20:33
asalkeldoubiwann, honestly not sure, but probably more evolved than ours20:33
zanebSpamapS: we couldn't split it out altogether without signoff from the TC anyway20:34
asalkeldzaneb, I think they have an api20:34
asalkeldthat multiple projects implement20:34
SpamapSwe have a blueprint to make use of that?20:34
asalkeldyea there is one20:35
* zaneb has lost track of what we're talking about20:35
oubiwannI think we're still on LB20:35
shardyasalkeld: there is?20:35
zanebthanks ;)20:35
asalkeldmaybe not20:36
SpamapSwe're talking about how Heat has implemented things internally that exist in other incubated or even core projects (reddwarf and quantum lbaas)20:36
shardySpamapS: Yup, we should raise BPs for cases where there are viable projects we could use instead of our nested implementations20:37
asalkeldso we need to use lbaas and ceilometer for alarming (when that is ready)20:37
zanebyeah, and we should scrap those internal implementations as soon as there's an integrated project for it20:37
oubiwannI love you guys20:37
asalkeldand there is moniker too20:37
asalkeldyikes settle down20:37
* oubiwann puts the group hug on hold20:38
shardyAre we veering OT here - there's blueprint review on the agenda, shall we move on?20:38
SpamapSzaneb: I think those should live-on as deprecated for a while. There will be times that compatiblity is not 100% and people need a release-cycle to fix things.20:38
zanebSpamapS: contrib/plugins?20:38
SpamapSzaneb: yeah I like that20:38
zanebso glad we implemented that whole plugin thing20:39
zanebsolves so many arguments :)20:39
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asalkeldthere seems to be a new aas every week20:39
lifelessasalkeld: I was saying to a colleague the other day20:40
shardy#topic Blueprint review for Havana20:40
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lifelessasalkeld: we need aasaas20:40
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asalkeldother thing when you see one is to encourage them to use heat for org20:40
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shardyLooks like we got to this one:20:41
shardystevebaker: you're working on this now right?20:41
stevebakerYep, just need some reviews on what is there20:41
* SpamapS will hit the review queue post meeting20:42
* asalkeld not an auth guru20:42
shardystevebaker: Ok, cool, I'll bump the status then20:42
stevebakerIt looks like there is potential to pass the service catalog from api->engine...20:42
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asalkeldis there anyone interested in multi-cloud?20:42
stevebakerso that can change anything that fetches auth_url from the context20:42
stevebakeror an endpoint from heat-engine.conf20:43
asalkeldlike regersting multiple openstack clouds20:43
stevebakerI had a play with multicloud against HP20:43
asalkeldstevebaker, you could think about how we could support that20:43
stevebakerI think we can get there, but we'll either need to patch or subclass keystoneclient auth_token20:44
stevebakeryes, but would be easier to explain with a beer in one hand20:44
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shardyzaneb: you happy to take this one?20:44
SpamapSasalkeld: openstack-infra is interested in multi-cloud, but dunno if they can get to it this cycle.20:44
stevebakerzaneb: or choose a template format?20:44
zanebalthough, there was a competing proposal too I thought20:44
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asalkeldisn't that done?20:45
shardySo I think this one is being handled via heat-cfntools?20:45
zanebstevebaker: yeah, that one. I like that one better20:45
stevebakerthat should probably be transferred to heat-cfntools20:45
shardystevebaker: k, I thought this was already done, we can move or obsolete it20:46
shardyI'm doing this one, should be simple20:46
asalkeldthat is going to be never ending20:46
asalkeldo, that one20:47
stevebakershardy: I've obsoleted it20:47
asalkelddidn't see the cloudwatch bit20:47
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* shardy has been forgetting \# link20:47
SpamapSthat one is obsoleted by lbaas20:48
asalkeldI got quite far with that one20:48
zaneblets implement an LBaaS resource type instead20:48
asalkeldnot quite, it raised interesting issues20:48
asalkeldso it was good20:48
shardyok, sounds good, we can raise a LBaaS BP and obsolete this one20:49
stevebakernative *and* aws please?20:49
zanebfor the nested stack resources we have...20:49
asalkeldstevebaker, goes native20:49
shardystevebaker: agree, same goes for lots of other resource too tho ;)20:49
zanebit might be good to load the template from a file20:49
zanebinstead of putting it inline20:49
SpamapS11 minutes... perhaps we should remain at periscope depth for the remainder?20:49
stevebakeror reference a running stack?20:49
stevebakerI'd like to talk heat-cfntools security fix release20:50
shardyOk, lets move back to open discussion for the last 10mins and talk bps more next week20:50
shardyI guess there will be lots more after summit anyway ;)20:50
SpamapSnext week == summit ;)20:50
shardy#topic open discussion20:50
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shardySo two things I wanted to mention:20:51
SpamapSstevebaker: I think once the commits are solid we should draft an announcement, and just commit/release/announce all at once.20:51
shardy1 - I've offered to step in for sdake doing PTL duties, then we'll have a proper vote on it (and anyone else can step up) after summit20:51
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asalkeldsounds good20:52
shardy2 - There a pile of VPC/Quantum related bugs in New state - stevebaker and/or jpeeler, can you triage and take some of those?20:52
stevebakeryep, they should already be assigned, mostly to jpeeler ;)20:52
shardyhaha, nice :)20:53
shardyOk, anyone else got anything to discuss?20:53
asalkeldtry sleep on your flight20:53
wirehead_I have zero timezone changes on my flight.20:53
stevebakerSpamapS has some /tmp security fixes for heat-cfntools. I just wondered if there is anything different we should do once they are ready for release20:53
asalkeldmaybe ask the os sec folks20:54
SpamapSstevebaker: we don't need a CVE or anything, as heat-cfntools is pretty nascent and may not even be distributed just yet..20:54
stevebakerand Sources tarball extraction isn't working for me, which is hindering testing
SpamapSasalkeld: I did, they said incubated projects don't fall under their umbrella, and suggest an informal release.20:54
asalkeldmaybe just release fast20:55
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SpamapSyeah thats what I think we should do20:55
asalkeldso people get the fixes20:55
stevebakerSpamapS: OK, I guess you should just raise normal gerrit changes then20:55
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SpamapSok, can I get a commitment for reviews in the next 2 hours?20:55
SpamapSlets coordinate in #heat20:56
stevebakeryep, but as i said #1166323 doesn't work for me atm20:56
SpamapSdon't need everybody for this20:56
SpamapSstevebaker: right I have a fix for that20:56
* SpamapS is spinning a lot of non-heat plates this week unfortunately20:56
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shardyOk, nearly out of time, anything else?20:57
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shardyOk, thanks all20:57
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SpamapSty err'body20:57
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jd__#startmeeting ceilometer21:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)"21:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer'21:00
jd__#topic Open discussion21:00
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jd__hi everyone21:01
jd__it's free fight today21:01
* eglynn hates daylight savings21:01
asalkeldnot as much as me21:01
eglynnlets ban it for openstack! ;)21:01
* dragondm concurs21:01
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tonglifor DST, waiting until you start doing calendar apps.21:02
jd__makes sense21:02
jd__eglynn: should we vote on that? ;)21:02
eglynnyeah, let's vote! ;)21:02
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* dragondm has been there, done that... Euch.21:02
jd__so I'm not sure we have a lot of discuss, summit is coming RSN21:03
jd__anything about it? scheduled has been published21:03
tongliit is not a bad idea to just use UTC, anyone represent data (doing UI) stuff can convert.21:03
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asalkeldyea, just encourage people to meetup before thursday21:03
jd__btw the sessions about Ceilometer+nova-scheduler and Ceilometer+quantum were overlaping and has been moved, courtesy of russellb21:03
* russellb bows21:04
eglynnmakes sense21:04
russellbsandywalsh also had a session that seemed like you guys would be interested in, so i tried to make sure that didn't overlap either21:04
russellbunified event notifications21:04
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* jd__ looks21:04
jd__yep, already in my calendar, cool21:05
asalkeldis Mehdi Abaakouk about21:05
dragondmSandywalsh and myself will be doing a session on notfications and verifying same as well.21:05
sandywalshrussellb, the stuff we've been doing in stacktach lately has highlighted a number of problems with the existing notifications (missing events, confusing events, etc)21:05
jd__and not overlapping :-)21:05
russellbsandywalsh: *nods*21:05
russellbjd__: good21:05
jd__asalkeld: why?21:05
asalkeldhoping we could talk before thursday about that patch21:05
jd__asalkeld: I mean what about Mehdi?21:06
asalkeldunconf. walk through his patch21:06
eglynnhe's coming to summit, no?21:06
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jd__I've no idea21:06
asalkeldthat would help warm us up21:06
jd__sileht: coming to the summit?21:06
eglynnI thought he said he was, memory might be defective tho'21:07
jd__well I think he's asleep so we'll know tomorrow :)21:07
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eglynncool enough21:07
jd__eglynn: I don't see him on the list of eNovancers coming to the summit :(21:08
eglynnk, definitely defective memory so ...21:08
esdanielfwiw mehdi's twitter: @sileht21:08
jd__now we just have to get his phone number ;)21:09
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esdanieljd__ don't tempt me ;-)21:09
jd__anyway, me and nijaba will be happy to talk about it and be sileht's proxy if neede21:09
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asalkeldgood to see what we have before planning what to do21:10
eglynnBTW, slightly off-topic ...21:11
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eglynnif anyone needs edits done to the entries for their summit sessions21:12
eglynn(say if the text got slightly mangled in the export from
eglynnKate Romero <> hez the powerz to fix21:12
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jd__has she the power to change the other talk entries too?21:13
eglynnI'd guess she's omnipotent on all entries21:13
asalkeldguys what is the input end to the "pipeline", just want to edit my post-api patch21:14
jd__I've desperately  tried to change entries on Ceilometer talks without succes so far21:14
eglynnjd__: drop Kate a mail, she's very responsive21:15
jd__asalkeld: check/grep ceilometer.pipeline.setup_pipeline21:15
jd__eglynn: awesome, thanks; she's from the foundation?21:15
llu-laptopasalkeld: publisher?21:15
asalkeldwell I am doing the api post impl.21:16
eglynnjd__: not sure, doesn't suggest foundation, maybe a contractor21:16
asalkeldso I want to generate samples21:16
jd__eglynn: k21:18
jd__asalkeld: yeah that's the road to take21:18
asalkeldthx jd21:19
asalkeldjust waiting for wsme to release 0.5b221:19
asalkeldso I can get the auth patch done21:19
jd__ah, I think we talked about a dinner at some points21:19
eglynnyeah, show of hands for that?21:20
eglynnthe Wednesday night, or?21:20
jd__considering how it has been a pain to organize the TC dinner already, I wonder if it's not be a bit too late to organize that21:20
asalkeldalso jd__ you registered for the red hat party?21:20
jd__eglynn: I've TC dinner on Wednesday :(21:20
jd__asalkeld: I registered for all parties \o/21:20
asalkeldme too21:20
eglynnjd__: a-ha, I see ... didn't know about the TC dinner21:21
asalkeldred hat ones sold out21:21
asalkeldhave to be quick21:21
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jd__I just didn't get any answer for Rackspace party I think21:21
jd__asalkeld: well I imagine they won't let you and eglynn out ;)21:21
asalkeldI got a response quickly21:21
asalkeldbetter not21:22
sandywalshjd__, I doubt you'll have any problems21:22
jd__sandywalsh: I'll tell to get you anyway if I have! ;)21:23
sandywalshjd__, sure thing :)21:23
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jd__anything else guys? :)21:24
asalkeldnope, coffee time21:24
* eglynn reckons the party RSVPs are purely "advisory" anyway ...21:24
sandywalshstrap your rockets on for Thursday21:24
eglynn(usually not too strict checking at the doors ...)21:24
eglynnrockets are strapped! ;)21:25
sandywalshoh, one question21:25
sandywalshkind of a side note21:25
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sandywalshwe've been kicking around the idea of a hackathon after the summit some time21:25
sandywalshperhaps all meet up somewhere for several days21:25
asalkeldwould have good to know21:25
eglynnstateside, or?21:25
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asalkeldbut flights booked...21:26
sandywalshno plans ... just a thought right now21:26
eglynnhow soon after summit?21:26
sandywalshI'm sure RAX could host in San Antonio21:26
sandywalshcompletely open21:26
sandywalshwhatever works for the most people21:26
* eglynn would need to twist arms on travel budget21:26
asalkeldgood idea, just expensive21:26
sandywalshyeah, likely ... let'21:27
asalkeldme in au21:27
sandywalshlet's keep it alive and talk more21:27
jd__sandywalsh: yeah I think it's a bit late, might be a good idea for the next summit though21:27
sandywalshyep, you're pricey :)21:27
eglynnyep, defo an interesting idea, will kick it around with those who hold the purse strings21:27
esdanielis there any indication on when a euro summit might take place?21:27
eglynnOctober I thought?21:27
sandywalshthe summit is bad for these things. We've been trying to do a RAX meetup and can't find the time. haha.21:27
sandywalshI hear nearly 2500 people this time around, so it's going to be frantic21:28
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eglynnesdaniel: Oct 2013 last I heard21:28
asalkeldthis time would have been good with all the action in Heat and Ceilometer21:28
* dhellmann is finally done with his conflicting meeting21:28
sandywalshEU would be ok for me. Nova Scotia is close to the pond.21:29
jd__dhellmann: cool, we're closing this one ;)21:29
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sandywalshasalkeld, true21:29
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asalkeldlots of both teams in eu21:29
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asalkeldalways wanted to got to paris...21:30
jd__you should21:30
sandywalshlet's chat more at the summit21:30
esdanielthkx eglynn - thus far date confirmed but not location21:30
eglynnanyone like Guinness?21:30
dragondmOh yes.21:30
eglynnplenty of that to be had in Dublin ;)21:30
esdanielTemple Bar Guiness best in world21:31
sandywalshnot me, gets in my mouth.21:31
eglynnLOL :)21:31
apmeltonas long as bailey's is not involved!21:31
esdanielthere's that nasty shooter called a brain with baileys21:31
eglynnsounds dangerous21:32
dragondmBleh. Baileys goes in coffee.21:32
sandywalshapmelton, we'll introduce you to the Irish Car Bomb21:32
apmeltonhaha, I've heard stories21:32
jd__eglynn: +1 on Guinness21:32
eglynnsandywalsh: semtex in a cocktail glass? ;)21:32
* asalkeld prefer Belgian beer21:33
sandywalsheglynn, close ... Guinness + depth charge shot of Jameson's (like a boiler maker)21:33
sandywalshchug like a shooter21:33
eglynnlike mother's milk ;)21:33
sandywalshmakes English optional21:33
* dragondm prefers Red Brest for whisky.21:33
sandywalshdamn, now I'm getting thirsty :)21:34
esdanielLisbon has killer prices in October, Port's nice too21:34
asalkeldI think this meeting is comming to an end21:34
asalkeldlater guys21:34
dragondmsee y'all in portland.21:34
eglynnyep, a hackathon is defo one to mull over, probe travel budget etc ...21:34
esdanielhave a great time in portland, wishing i was with you but will follow as best as can21:35
eglynncool, talk to y'all next week, safe flights etc...21:35
jd__yep, see you soon guys!21:36
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