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| sdague | who's around for the QA meeting? | 16:59 |
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| mlavalle | I am | 17:00 |
| sdague | coolio, anyone else? | 17:00 |
| sdague | make sure we have a useful quorum, which I know is tough with mtreinish and davidkranz being out atm | 17:00 |
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| mlavalle | sdague: while we wait we can talk about the Quantum BP's | 17:01 |
| sdague | so I say again... who's around for the QA meeting? :) | 17:01 |
| ravikumar_hp | hi | 17:01 |
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| sdague | mlavalle: actually what don't I start the meeting, and we start there | 17:01 |
| sdague | #startmeeting qa | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 23 17:01:42 2013 UTC. The chair is sdague. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| mlavalle | cool | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:01 |
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| sdague | #topic Blueprints | 17:01 |
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| sdague | ok, lets specifically start with the quantum blueprints | 17:02 |
| sdague | mlavalle the floor is yours | 17:02 |
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| mlavalle | sdague: Last week I volunteered to consolidate the Quantum BP's | 17:02 |
| mlavalle | The vast majority are from Bagshree | 17:02 |
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| mlavalle | so I sent gel an email proposing group her BP's in 3 groups | 17:03 |
| mlavalle | sent her an email | 17:03 |
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| ravikumar_hp | mlavalle: we are prioritizing . Looks like we will deliver some in havava-2 | 17:03 |
| ravikumar_hp | and some in Havav-3 | 17:03 |
| ravikumar_hp | I will update milestone... | 17:04 |
| sdague | ravikumar_hp: so I'd still like to see them consolidated a bit | 17:04 |
| ravikumar_hp | sure | 17:04 |
| sdague | right now they are at the single test level, and I think mlavalle has some good thinking on consolidation | 17:04 |
| mlavalle | ravilumar-hp: I know, I will forward you the email I sent her. I prose to align 3 groups by the milestones | 17:04 |
| mlavalle | the same milestones she proposed | 17:04 |
| ravikumar_hp | mlavalle: Thanks . will discuss with Shree | 17:05 |
| mlavalle | sdague: I forwarded you and Jay the email this morning | 17:05 |
| sdague | mlavalle: yes, I saw, I think it was in a very good direction | 17:05 |
| mlavalle | that's the progress in this front so far. I will follow up with ravikumar_hp | 17:06 |
| psedlak | hi ... sorry for being late | 17:06 |
| sdague | great | 17:06 |
| sdague | #action mlavalle to follow up with ravikumar_hp on quantum blueprint consolidation - due by next tempest meeting | 17:06 |
| sdague | ravikumar_hp: also, I really want the owner of the blueprint to be the implementer | 17:07 |
| sdague | so please correct those as well, so we can ask folks directly who are doing them | 17:07 |
| ravikumar_hp | sdague: okay | 17:07 |
| sdague | ok, so I think we are good on those | 17:08 |
| sdague | other blueprint status? please use #info so it shows up in minutes | 17:08 |
| sdague | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest | 17:08 |
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| sdague | #info tempest-repo-restructure completed | 17:09 |
| ravikumar_hp | #info - Keystone tests - good progress. Pending BPs will be completed by Havava-2 | 17:09 |
| sdague | #info cleanup-launchpad completed (all untouched blueprints purged on monday) | 17:09 |
| sdague | #info flake8-extensions - in review, good chance for H1 (lauria has code for review) | 17:10 |
| sdague | #info nightly-upgrade-testing - making progress, but will probably slip past H1 (will determine tomorrow) | 17:11 |
| sdague | any other blueprint updates? | 17:11 |
| afazekas | I will create a wiki about heat and I will try to put together the info I know about the speed-up-tempest project, I will be on trip so +2 week | 17:11 |
| giulivo | afazekas, what is the wiki about heat needed for> | 17:11 |
| giulivo | ? | 17:11 |
| afazekas | giulivo: test plans | 17:12 |
| sdague | afazekas: ok, cool, by then mtreinish should be back and digging into it as well | 17:12 |
| afazekas | infra requirements | 17:12 |
| giulivo | do we have wikis for the other components ? | 17:12 |
| sdague | #action afazekas to create a wiki about heat requirements in testing | 17:12 |
| afazekas | giulivo: no, but we should have for bigger projects | 17:13 |
| giulivo | cause I'm following the heat updates too but maybe can also do something good for cinder | 17:13 |
| giulivo | so heat is the first we'll have a wiki about? | 17:13 |
| sdague | heat is kind of special too | 17:13 |
| sdague | because it's going to push a lot of stuff, and we might need to handle it a little different than the other projects | 17:13 |
| sdague | so ++ to afazekas pulling together info there | 17:14 |
| sdague | i think it will help a lot | 17:14 |
| giulivo | sure, i'm trying to figure out what | 17:14 |
| giulivo | and with which purpose | 17:14 |
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| sdague | ok, so next week we'll bump things to H2 that don't make it, but a push for getting things in for H1 would be good | 17:15 |
| giulivo | I think it'd be nice to share some documentation aroun the tests | 17:15 |
| sdague | yep, lets get to docs in a minute | 17:15 |
| sdague | people ok to move on from blueprints to reviews? | 17:15 |
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| sdague | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting - agenda | 17:15 |
| psedlak | sdague: wrong date there ;) | 17:16 |
| sdague | yeh, I know, want to fix it? :) | 17:16 |
| sdague | sorry it was early this morning when I updated | 17:16 |
| psedlak | next time ;) | 17:16 |
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| sdague | #topic Critical reviews tied to blueprints | 17:16 |
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| sdague | ok, anyone want to pimp reviews they need eyes on? | 17:17 |
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| giulivo | I have the snapshot thing which was approved but needs +2 again | 17:17 |
| giulivo | cause the automerge failed after restructuring the directory | 17:17 |
| sdague | giulivo: can you provide #link? | 17:17 |
| giulivo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28480/ | 17:17 |
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| sdague | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28480/ - needs additional +2 after rebase | 17:18 |
| sdague | ok, I'll take a look after the meeting | 17:18 |
| sdague | any other reviews people are blocked on? | 17:18 |
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| sdague | going once... | 17:18 |
| sdague | going twice... | 17:18 |
| sdague | ok, I'll try to go through everything this afternoon, but then it's a long holiday weekend in the us | 17:19 |
| sdague | so I expect things to be slow until mid next week | 17:19 |
| sdague | #topic QA Docs | 17:19 |
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| sdague | ok, so as part of the tempest-repo-restructure blueprint I created all these readmes | 17:20 |
| kashyap | sdague, Can you post the URL here please | 17:20 |
| sdague | kashyap: url of? | 17:20 |
| psedlak | kashyap: check the rsts in the tempest repo | 17:20 |
| kashyap | review request | 17:21 |
| kashyap | Checking.. | 17:21 |
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| sdague | kashyap: yeh, there is no outstanding review here | 17:21 |
| kashyap | Ah, ok. | 17:21 |
| sdague | however, we do have a new docs-job in our check (and soon to be gate) | 17:21 |
| sdague | that will create the tempest doc website from the docs in the tree | 17:21 |
| kashyap | Question: Will it be rST continuing or asciidoc is being considered ? | 17:21 |
| sdague | kashyap: rst is currently what we have, and unless there is a compelling reason to change, I'd rather keep it | 17:22 |
| sdague | we have tooling that works well with it | 17:22 |
| sdague | is there a reason you think we should switch? | 17:22 |
| kashyap | Sure. I mentioned asciidoc, as Anne Gentle brought it up on the list | 17:22 |
| afazekas | kashyap: is the git hub parses the asciidoc ? | 17:22 |
| kashyap | afazekas, Yes, I confirmed github supports asciidoc markup | 17:23 |
| sdague | I did rst because that's what we already had in tree. | 17:23 |
| kashyap | " and asciidoc is a clear winner from the OpenStack docs perspective due to our existing build tools being able to handle it. It converts to docbook easily." | 17:23 |
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| sdague | ok, well CI uses rst :) | 17:23 |
| kashyap | ACK. | 17:23 |
| sdague | As I don't think we're building a manual, I think for web workflow rst is fine | 17:24 |
| kashyap | True. | 17:24 |
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| kashyap | andreaf, asciidoc requires some extra 'packages' to be in. | 17:24 |
| psedlak | sdague: how does the doc building and that venv in tox ini? and is there described step/cmd how to build them manualy? (don't know much about sphinx) | 17:24 |
| kashyap | rST has less dependencies. | 17:24 |
| sdague | psedlak: right, yes, let me explain | 17:24 |
| kashyap | (Pops, didn't mean to prompt him.) | 17:25 |
| sdague | so there is now a doc/source directory | 17:25 |
| sdague | you can either | 17:25 |
| sdague | tox -evenv -- python setup.py build_sphinx | 17:25 |
| sdague | which is what the gate does | 17:25 |
| sdague | or just | 17:25 |
| sdague | python setup.py build_sphinx | 17:25 |
| sdague | if you have it installed locally | 17:25 |
| sdague | and it will create a doc/build directory | 17:26 |
| sdague | with html, man format, maybe something else | 17:26 |
| sdague | that html will be pushed live on build as soon as this lands - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30199/ | 17:26 |
| sdague | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30199/ - review to publish tempest docs on merge | 17:26 |
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| sdague | to handle the README.rst files in the tree, I've done it with symlinks, because of sphinx security things | 17:27 |
| sdague | all these docs could be made much better, contributions welcomed and encouraged! | 17:27 |
| sdague | but at least we've got a workflow now that will get them out to the web | 17:28 |
| sdague | ok, I'm done talking on that. Other questions or comments or offers to help? | 17:28 |
| psedlak | would it be ok to put there also distro specific steps to get tempest runnable? | 17:29 |
| sdague | psedlak: yes, absolutely | 17:29 |
| psedlak | cool | 17:29 |
| giulivo | one more thing, do we plan to use those to document the actual tests? | 17:29 |
| sdague | I think anything that makes it easier to use or develop for tempest is fair game | 17:29 |
| sdague | giulivo: I think that's totatlly possible | 17:30 |
| sdague | we probably want to structure it in such a way that it's kind of it's own base page | 17:30 |
| sdague | but I like the idea of having that in there, especially if we can pull it from the tests themselves in some way | 17:30 |
| giulivo | yeah I was thinking about docstrings too | 17:31 |
| sdague | it just needs a volunteer | 17:31 |
| sdague | giulivo: ok, you up for building some kind of proof of concept with a few tests to come up with a model that might work for all of it? | 17:31 |
| giulivo | can't in short timew | 17:31 |
| sdague | no worries | 17:31 |
| giulivo | but I was going to propose that for heat, to afazekas | 17:32 |
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| sdague | well, if anyone wants to prototype something, it's encouraged | 17:32 |
| sdague | ah, yeh, that might be a good idea | 17:32 |
| kashyap | As an example, I did something for nested vmx testing -- https://github.com/kashyapc/nvmx-haswell/blob/master/SETUP-nVMX.rst | 17:32 |
| psedlak | well for this we will first have to solve the 'docstrings' issue with nose/testr | 17:33 |
| kashyap | #link https://raw.github.com/kashyapc/nvmx-haswell/master/SETUP-nVMX.rst | 17:33 |
| sdague | I don't know about other people, but I kind of like using gerrit for doc review, as it gives you commenting and voting | 17:33 |
| giulivo | +1 from me | 17:33 |
| sdague | psedlak: true, that would be part of the prototype for anyone proposing to sort out | 17:33 |
| sdague | ok, other thoughts on docs? | 17:34 |
| kashyap | sdague, Was that info pointed at me ? If so - that's not entirely related OpenStack yet. It's mostly lower layers. | 17:34 |
| psedlak | and what that 'prototype' should look like? as it would require changes to gate scripts etc ... so probably not a posted review ... | 17:34 |
| sdague | psedlak: why would it require a change to gate scripts? | 17:34 |
| sdague | kashyap: not really, just gerrit vs. wiki | 17:35 |
| psedlak | to let nosetest/testr skip using docstrings as 'test names' | 17:35 |
| kashyap | sdague, Ok, just clarifying. Thanks. | 17:35 |
| sdague | psedlak: so actual nose invocation in the gate now is controlled in our tox.ini | 17:35 |
| sdague | so we'd be able to control it without a gate repo change | 17:35 |
| psedlak | for nose there is plugin which does it ... so yeah in test-requires + tox ... ok | 17:36 |
| sdague | yeh, so it could all be self contained in a review, and we'd know it passes the gate | 17:36 |
| sdague | which is goodness | 17:36 |
| psedlak | ok | 17:36 |
| sdague | ok, so the next thing I had on the agenda was to discuss tags, but I feel like we're missing most of the core folks becauses me and afazekas, so maybe we postpone. Especially given holiday weekend here. | 17:37 |
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| sdague | or we just take that to the list, which has been working well recently | 17:38 |
| sdague | +1 to everyone participating there so actively :) | 17:38 |
| sdague | #topic Bug Day? | 17:38 |
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| afazekas | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BugTriage | 17:39 |
| sdague | so afazekas, where do we stand on organizing a bug day? | 17:39 |
| afazekas | We have an open supervisor group | 17:39 |
| sdague | #info tempest now has open supervisor group for bugs, anyone can triage | 17:39 |
| sdague | nice | 17:39 |
| afazekas | #link https://launchpad.net/~tempest-bug-team | 17:39 |
| sdague | great | 17:40 |
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| kashyap | #info - #openstack-bugday is the IRC channel | 17:40 |
| afazekas | The main issue we need to made progress in Task 1, ie. confirming the bugs before we can triage them | 17:40 |
| kashyap | # info - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BugFilingRecommendations | 17:41 |
| sdague | afazekas: ok, so were you going to organize a bug day, and drum up interest on the mailing list? | 17:41 |
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| afazekas | I will | 17:42 |
| sdague | ok, great. Have you picked a day for it? | 17:42 |
| kashyap | TBH, Yesterday was nova bug-day, I saw absolutely no word there. MStill is the only person appears to be interested | 17:42 |
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| sdague | well, I think instead of using #openstack-bugday, we should use #openstack-qa | 17:42 |
| afazekas | Not yet | 17:42 |
| sdague | when we do ours | 17:42 |
| sdague | just to drive traffic to a place we normally are | 17:42 |
| sdague | they are sometimes tough to get folks into, but at least for the first one if we can get all the normally active people into them, it will help | 17:43 |
| kashyap | +1 | 17:43 |
| sdague | it's a lot nicer to work on bug triage with others around doing it at the same time | 17:43 |
| sdague | otherwise you go crazy | 17:43 |
| afazekas | :) | 17:43 |
| kashyap | Indeed. I'm around during CET zone | 17:43 |
| sdague | so we'll at least have 1/2 day overlap :) (/me in US EST) | 17:44 |
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| sdague | afazekas: ok, will you have picked a day by next week's meeting, or are you off for a bit now? | 17:44 |
| mlavalle | I'll be covering US Central ;-) | 17:44 |
| kashyap | Well, I'm in IST, but mostly work w/ folks in CET, so just noting it here :) | 17:44 |
| sdague | would be nice to get it sooner rather than later, but still give folks a few days warning so they can try to clear up time for it | 17:45 |
| afazekas | I will not be here on the next meeting :( | 17:45 |
| kashyap | No worries, not everyone can make all IRC meetings. | 17:45 |
| afazekas | I will be on vacation | 17:45 |
| afazekas | far far :) | 17:46 |
| kashyap | If you have specific things to cover, just maybe post on the list. | 17:46 |
| sdague | afazekas: vacation is good :) | 17:46 |
| sdague | ok, is there another volunteer that wants to take up organizing the first bug day? | 17:46 |
| jhenner | not in the time of meetings, right afazekas? | 17:46 |
| sdague | would be nice to have a couple between now and H3 | 17:46 |
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| kashyap | I could let a more tempest familiar person take charge the first one, then I could lend a hand for the next one | 17:47 |
| sdague | #help need volunteer to organize first tempest bug day | 17:47 |
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| sdague | kashyap: well really the organize is just picking a day, and sending some emails :) | 17:47 |
| kashyap | I don't actively work on tempest (I work on lower layers), so I'm not technically right to take charge right away | 17:48 |
| kashyap | sdague, Sure. I could do that | 17:48 |
| sdague | kashyap: cool thanks | 17:48 |
| kashyap | Unless someone wants to beat me to it. | 17:48 |
| afazekas | kashyap: thank you | 17:48 |
| sdague | yeh, it's not so much a tempest specific thing, as an organizing thing. I'm just trying to spread the work around otherwise I forget to do things :) | 17:48 |
| sdague | afazekas: +1 | 17:49 |
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| sdague | #action kashyap to organize first tempest bug day, all tempest members greatly thank him for it | 17:49 |
| sdague | ok, let's go to open discussion | 17:50 |
| kashyap | :) You're exaggerating the effect. Maybe I could send an email right away, asking for convenient time zone? | 17:50 |
| sdague | #topic Open Discussion | 17:50 |
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| kashyap | s/time zone/day | 17:50 |
| sdague | kashyap: typically we just declare a "day" | 17:50 |
| sdague | kashyap: yeh, sure | 17:50 |
| kashyap | Yep, typo :) | 17:50 |
| sdague | thanks again | 17:50 |
| sdague | ok, other topics that people want to bring up? | 17:51 |
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| psedlak | copyright lines? | 17:51 |
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| psedlak | how did it ended ... is there final decision/guideline? | 17:51 |
| psedlak | i saw a lot of email but at the end i was even more confused :] | 17:51 |
| afazekas | psedlak: do not read them :) | 17:52 |
| sdague | heh | 17:52 |
| sdague | yeh, the TC discussion really didn't seem to have a resolution | 17:52 |
| sdague | maybe I'll go ask ttx on what he finally thought | 17:52 |
| afazekas | psedlak: I mean do not read the licenses :) | 17:53 |
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| sdague | we might have a small enough number of contributors we could do it anyway, I know in nova it's a lot | 17:53 |
| giulivo | a couple more things from me: 1. I think is is all sorted now and can be closed? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/set-gate-attribute 2. maybe we should get the infra setup changed to test at least the cinder multibackend feature in gate? probably using either lvm/nfs? | 17:53 |
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| psedlak | sdague: if you will learn/get final desicions please update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LegalIssuesFAQ or maybe hacking or something like that and anounce it please :) | 17:55 |
| sdague | giulivo: on point 1, are all the reviews through? | 17:55 |
| sdague | psedlak: will do | 17:55 |
| sdague | giulivo: on point 2, we definitely need to bring back periodic jobs | 17:55 |
| giulivo | the last one I was looking for is related to "compute" and has been approved; is there anything out of /api/ which need the tag to be set? | 17:56 |
| sdague | giulivo: so you think we need a blueprint for multi cinder backend? | 17:56 |
| kashyap | sdague, Also, good to CC Richard Fontana (legal) on that discussion of copyright lines. (/me hasn't read the threads, so not sure, if he's on it.) | 17:56 |
| giulivo | not necessarily a blueprint, but maybe it's worth gating it, probably with two different backend types | 17:56 |
| sdague | giulivo: probably not | 17:56 |
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| sdague | giulivo: ok, at least a blueprint would keep track of the fact that it might be an infrastructure change | 17:56 |
| giulivo | so regarding the gate attribute I'll double check that and eventually close the blueprint | 17:57 |
| psedlak | hm probably cli should get attrs too | 17:57 |
| psedlak | ? | 17:57 |
| giulivo | psedlak, good hint, will look into that and submit changes where needed | 17:57 |
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| psedlak | or do we want to keep it running completely? | 17:57 |
| sdague | psedlak: we trigger the cli tests directly | 17:57 |
| sdague | so maybe we don't need it outside of api | 17:58 |
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| psedlak | yeah i know, but not sure if it would not be easier to move everything to gate/smoke tags now | 17:58 |
| sdague | I'm sure we'll figure out a few other fixes down the road, but lets just make sure all the reviews landed first | 17:58 |
| psedlak | so we would not have to touch the gates later again ... | 17:58 |
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| sdague | yeh, though again, because we control things now in tox.ini... it's *so* much easier | 17:59 |
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| psedlak | heh, i'm still not used to it sorry :) | 17:59 |
| sdague | yep, no worries :) | 17:59 |
| sdague | ok, I've got to run here in a minute. Any last things from folks? | 17:59 |
| sdague | ok, we're at top of the hour | 18:00 |
| sdague | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 23 18:00:39 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-05-23-17.01.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-05-23-17.01.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-05-23-17.01.log.html | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:00 |
| psedlak | bye | 18:00 |
| sdague | thanks everyone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 23 18:00:48 2013 UTC. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:00 |
| mlavalle | enjoy the long weekend (those in the US) | 18:00 |
| hyakuhei | Morning/Evening all. | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | let's roll into the OSSG meeting now | 18:01 |
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| bdpayne | morning/evening :-) | 18:01 |
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| bdpayne | I'd like to start with an OSSG roll call... | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | Bryan Payne from Nebula here | 18:01 |
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| hyakuhei | I'm kind of half here right now, working on something else that needs a lot of attention so call me out by highlighting my nick if you need me. | 18:02 |
| hyakuhei | Rob - HP | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | sounds good | 18:02 |
| boris-42 | hmm | 18:02 |
| boris-42 | it should be DB meeting now | 18:02 |
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| bdpayne | 1800 UTC, I believe it is OSSG time | 18:02 |
| hyakuhei | 1800 UTC Thursday is normally OSSG | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/OpenStackSecurity | 18:02 |
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| boris-42 | hmm but now is 19 UTC | 18:02 |
| hyakuhei | No it's not | 18:02 |
| hyakuhei | It's 1800 UTC, GMT +1 is 1900 | 18:03 |
| boris-42 | oh sory=) | 18:03 |
| boris-42 | sorry=) | 18:03 |
| hyakuhei | I think you're an hour late for your meeting boris ;) | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | ok, anyone else here for OSSG? | 18:03 |
| hyakuhei | Looks like Boris could have had his DB meeting anyway! | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | lol | 18:04 |
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| hyakuhei | well fwiw I've requested my flights and will book the hotel for the hardening guide tomorrow. | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | excellent | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | yeah, I'm all booked | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | looks like it's coming together | 18:05 |
| hyakuhei | I'm flying in on Sunday and back out on the Friday eve. | 18:05 |
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| bdpayne | sounds good | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | also, some nice results at a conference this week related to cloud security… http://www.ieee-security.org/TC/SP2013/papers/program2013.html | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | see first two papers in Session 6 | 18:06 |
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| bdpayne | beyond that, I won't keep chatting without others here to listen / participate | 18:07 |
| hyakuhei | Indeed, close it out, I'll go walk the dog ;) | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | hyakuhei sounds good | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | cya | 18:07 |
| hyakuhei | bye! | 18:07 |
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| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:09 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 23 18:09:21 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:09 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-05-23-18.00.html | 18:09 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-05-23-18.00.txt | 18:09 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-05-23-18.00.log.html | 18:09 |
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| dripton | DB meeting starting in about a minute | 18:59 |
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| dripton | Is anyone here for the DB meeting? | 19:00 |
| viktors | yes | 19:00 |
| rpodolyaka | Hello, guys! | 19:00 |
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| boris-42 | heey | 19:00 |
| boris-42 | =) | 19:00 |
| viktors | Hi all | 19:00 |
| eyerediskin | sup | 19:00 |
| boris-42 | mirantis lol=) | 19:00 |
| dripton | I guess we have a quorum | 19:00 |
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| dripton | #startmeeting db | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 23 19:00:55 2013 UTC. The chair is dripton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| boris-42 | probably we should call devananda | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'db' | 19:01 |
| boris-42 | devananda ping | 19:01 |
| devananda | pong | 19:01 |
| boris-42 | hi how are you?) have you a little bit time to discuss work around db?) | 19:01 |
| devananda | ah! right. yes, sure :) | 19:01 |
| boris-42 | nice | 19:01 |
| dripton | #topic havana-1 | 19:01 |
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| dripton | Anyone have anything they're trying to get in for havana-1 that needs more eyes? | 19:01 |
| boris-42 | I would like to finish db-improve-archiving in H1 | 19:02 |
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| boris-42 | so devananda could you take a look at it pls?) | 19:02 |
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| dripton | boris-42: Are you just waiting for approvals? | 19:02 |
| boris-42 | yes=) | 19:02 |
| boris-42 | I fixed bug around indexes | 19:02 |
| devananda | boris-42: it seemed (perhaps mistakenly) that the fix-old-migrations migrations went through several revisions | 19:03 |
| devananda | i didn't follow too closely. was much being changed? | 19:03 |
| boris-42 | yes | 19:03 |
| boris-42 | there was a lot of changes | 19:03 |
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| boris-42 | and I have copy pasted some of it | 19:04 |
| devananda | k. action me to go review those pls :) | 19:04 |
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| dripton | reviews from others are helpful too even without +2 powers. Some of the core reviewers wait until they see several +1s before they bring in their +2s | 19:05 |
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| devananda | indeed | 19:05 |
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| boris-42 | yeah=) | 19:05 |
| dripton | #action devananda to review db-improve-archiving patches. | 19:05 |
| dripton | #topic bugs | 19:06 |
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| boris-42 | Btw there are some new guys in our db team probably they also would like to say something | 19:06 |
| dripton | #topic new people | 19:06 |
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| boris-42 | yeah | 19:06 |
| boris-42 | hey guys are you here?) | 19:07 |
| rpodolyaka | yep, Boris | 19:07 |
| viktors | here | 19:07 |
| devananda | o/ | 19:07 |
| rpodolyaka | I've been recently working on getting common Oslo DB code into Cinder | 19:07 |
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| rpodolyaka | and helping Boris with testing for db-improve-archiving | 19:08 |
| rpodolyaka | I hope we can use this in other projects too when it's ready | 19:08 |
| rpodolyaka | I have a few ideas to work in Nova and Quantum as well | 19:08 |
| viktors | at the moment I'm working om rename all unique consraints in Nova database | 19:09 |
| rpodolyaka | for Nova I would really like us to switch to Alembic, which seems to be quite superior tools comparing to SQLAlchemy-Migrate | 19:09 |
| rpodolyaka | especially for maintaining of stable branchaes | 19:09 |
| dripton | rpodolyaka: +1 on alembic, I tried fighting that fight in Grizzly. But it's a huge disruptive change. | 19:09 |
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| rpodolyaka | dripton: indeed | 19:10 |
| devananda | if some of these things (oslo-db, alembic) will make Ironic development easier | 19:10 |
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| devananda | i'm happy to accept folks' patches to start making it happen from the ground up | 19:10 |
| dripton | rpdolyaka: I have some code to 90% convert migrate migrations to alembic migrations, but the transition from one to the other is painful. | 19:10 |
| dripton | devananda: so you're not doing db migrations in ironic at first. How are you populating the DB? | 19:11 |
| devananda | dripton: eh, i copied the existing migration code from nova. that said, i am not doing any _data_ migrations in ironic | 19:11 |
| devananda | until we approach an RC | 19:11 |
| dripton | devananda: ok, now I understand. Seems reasonable since nobody needs to upgrade from 0.0001 to 0.0002 | 19:12 |
| devananda | right | 19:12 |
| devananda | once we have an RC, we'll need a nova_bm -> ironic ETL tol | 19:12 |
| devananda | tool | 19:12 |
| devananda | and then have to worry about data | 19:12 |
| dripton | viktors: Are you finding problems with the unique constraints as you go through them? | 19:12 |
| boris-42 | victors could you give us link to patch in oslo | 19:13 |
| viktors | 1 min please | 19:13 |
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| viktors | It's path to Oslo to proceed error messages from db to human-readable view https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29888/ | 19:14 |
| viktors | It's migration to nova database https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30108/ | 19:15 |
| dripton | viktors: I will take a look at both. | 19:16 |
| viktors | thanks ) | 19:16 |
| dripton | Are any of the new people PostgreSQL people? | 19:16 |
| rpodolyaka | dripton: on transition to Alembic. It probably sounds crazy. But maybe it makes sense to maintain both Alembic and SQLAlchemy-Migrate migrations till we release Havana (thus providing a way for users to upgrade to it) and then drop SQLAlchemy-Migrate support? | 19:16 |
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| dripton | rpodolyaka: I think there would be resistance to the double maintainence, unless we could automate converting one to the other. But that might work. | 19:17 |
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| eyerediskin | some db-api-tests waiting for +2 https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/db-api-tests,n,z | 19:17 |
| dripton | eyerediskin: awesome. If we can pile some more +1s on them then the +2s will follow. | 19:18 |
| * dripton heard crickets in response to postgres. | 19:19 | |
| dripton | #topic bugs | 19:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: db)" | 19:19 | |
| dripton | Nova had a bug day yesterday. Did anyone find/fix any nasty DB bugs? | 19:19 |
| boris-42 | my migrations fix=)) | 19:20 |
| dripton | boris-42 wins. | 19:20 |
| boris-42 | ^_^ | 19:20 |
| uvirtbot | boris-42: Error: "_^" is not a valid command. | 19:20 |
| dripton | I'm chasing a bug in db-archiving where the instances table doesn't all get archived, I think due to FK constraints. | 19:21 |
| dripton | And trying to fix the postgres tempest gate which has been broken for a couple of weeks. | 19:21 |
| devananda | are FKs enabled by default in production? | 19:21 |
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| devananda | i thought we had disabled them last year ... | 19:21 |
| dripton | devananda: good question. They're enable on the QA box that found this bug, but maybe that's not a real production config. | 19:21 |
| devananda | k. either way, archiving shouldn't break because FK are on :) | 19:22 |
| eyerediskin | default production config != real prioduction config | 19:22 |
| dripton | devananda: right, and in my tests it doesn't break, but QA people can break anything. | 19:22 |
| dripton | No other bugs that anyone needs help with? | 19:23 |
| dripton | #topic blueprints | 19:23 |
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| dripton | boris-42 did you want to talk about other blueprints for havana? | 19:24 |
| eyerediskin | how about to move @require_context/@require_admin_context from db/sqlalchemy/api.py to db/api.py? | 19:24 |
| boris-42 | yeah eyerediskin +1 | 19:24 |
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| boris-42 | eyerediskin could you pls describe why it is so important | 19:24 |
| dripton | Does that help reduce code for the mysql fast path? | 19:25 |
| eyerediskin | that help reduce code for other backends | 19:25 |
| eyerediskin | a little) | 19:25 |
| dripton | Is there a blueprint for it? Or a patch? | 19:26 |
| eyerediskin | nope | 19:26 |
| dripton | If you do a blueprint then that'll smooth getting the patch approved. It can be a very short one since it's such a simple change. Or I guess it can be part of the existing bp for an alternate backend. | 19:27 |
| boris-42 | no dripton | 19:27 |
| dripton | ? | 19:27 |
| boris-42 | I would like to explain a little bit more | 19:27 |
| boris-42 | comstud is working on mysql-db-impl | 19:28 |
| comstud | mysqldb-db-impl | 19:28 |
| comstud | (to clarify) | 19:28 |
| boris-42 | yeah=) | 19:28 |
| boris-42 | so we would like to remove contex from db.sqlalchemy.api layer to db.api layer | 19:29 |
| boris-42 | so we will avoid copy paste of tons of context | 19:29 |
| boris-42 | I mean @require_context and @require_admin_context.. | 19:29 |
| dripton | makes sense to me | 19:30 |
| dripton | #topic open discussion | 19:30 |
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| dripton | anyone have anything else? | 19:30 |
| boris-42 | comstud what do you think about it ^ | 19:31 |
| comstud | Say again? | 19:31 |
| comstud | Oh yeah... | 19:31 |
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| comstud | i moved some things already | 19:31 |
| comstud | The problem with those decorators are... | 19:31 |
| comstud | they assume model level API calls | 19:32 |
| comstud | mysqldb stuff is all OOP, so they don't work | 19:32 |
| comstud | because there's the extra 'self' argument. | 19:32 |
| comstud | btw... I'm also in the process of splitting up sqlalchemy/models.py to support objects. | 19:32 |
| comstud | I dunno how that affects the other work.. or if I'm duplicating effort. | 19:32 |
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| comstud | ie models.py -> models/base.py (or __init__.py) | 19:33 |
| comstud | and then models/instance.py etc | 19:33 |
| boris-42 | ooO | 19:33 |
| boris-42 | =) | 19:33 |
| devananda | comstud: i'm interested to see how you're doing that | 19:33 |
| devananda | and see if i can use that in ironic | 19:33 |
| devananda | rather than add it on later | 19:33 |
| comstud | Cools | 19:33 |
| comstud | I really just started this work today... | 19:34 |
| boris-42 | could I ask why do you that comstud?) | 19:34 |
| comstud | I have a patch to remove module imports from models.py that I can throw up anytime | 19:34 |
| comstud | boris-42: Sure | 19:34 |
| comstud | I thought this layout would be clean: | 19:34 |
| comstud | instance.py contains: | 19:34 |
| comstud | the sqlalchemy model | 19:34 |
| comstud | the Instance internal object | 19:34 |
| comstud | that Instance internal object will have: | 19:34 |
| comstud | @classmethod | 19:34 |
| comstud | def get_by_uuid() | 19:34 |
| comstud | this will break up that huge mess in api.py | 19:35 |
| comstud | and separating it into separate files seemed like a good thing | 19:35 |
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| boris-42 | so we will move from facade pattern to teach models=) | 19:35 |
| comstud | That make sense? Might be more clear when I get some WIP patches up :) | 19:35 |
| boris-42 | reach* | 19:35 |
| dripton | looking forward to seeing the patches | 19:36 |
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| boris-42 | so we will have in all models, methods that works with this model? | 19:36 |
| boris-42 | instead of one file with tons of methods? | 19:36 |
| boris-42 | comstud ^ | 19:36 |
| comstud | yeah | 19:37 |
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| comstud | methods will be on the object classes instead | 19:37 |
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| boris-42 | so we will be able to switch models and use different backends? | 19:37 |
| devananda | and for methods that interact with multiple models? | 19:37 |
| boris-42 | we will chose one=) | 19:37 |
| comstud | right | 19:38 |
| comstud | well | 19:38 |
| boris-42 | math.random(l) | 19:38 |
| comstud | switch objects | 19:38 |
| comstud | if I understand what you're saying | 19:38 |
| boris-42 | some other backend implement | 19:38 |
| comstud | right | 19:38 |
| comstud | that's what I'm trying to figure out right now with objects... | 19:38 |
| boris-42 | by the way we have to do something with tests.. | 19:38 |
| dripton | how do we ensure that all backends implement the same methods? | 19:38 |
| boris-42 | tests | 19:38 |
| boris-42 | tons of tests.. | 19:39 |
| comstud | dripton: tests that compare the backends | 19:39 |
| comstud | :) | 19:39 |
| dripton | that is the Pythonic answer | 19:39 |
| boris-42 | we have already tons of tests in test_db_api | 19:39 |
| boris-42 | oh they all should be then rewritten… to provide your changes comstud.. | 19:39 |
| boris-42 | one more ton of code.. | 19:40 |
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| dripton | Anyone have anything else? | 19:41 |
| dripton | Thanks everyone, and remember to review patches! | 19:41 |
| dripton | #endmeeting | 19:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 23 19:41:31 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:41 |
| boris-42 | thanks) | 19:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/db/2013/db.2013-05-23-19.00.html | 19:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/db/2013/db.2013-05-23-19.00.txt | 19:41 |
| boris-42 | bye | 19:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/db/2013/db.2013-05-23-19.00.log.html | 19:41 |
| viktors | bye | 19:41 |
| dripton | o/ | 19:41 |
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| devananda | \o | 19:42 |
| rpodolyaka | see you | 19:42 |
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| harlowja | #startmeeting state-management | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 23 20:01:12 2013 UTC. The chair is harlowja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: state-management)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'state_management' | 20:01 |
| harlowja | hi everyone! :) | 20:01 |
| adrian_otto | hi | 20:01 |
| harlowja | howdy | 20:01 |
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| jlucci | hola | 20:01 |
| harlowja | oops, forgot to send out an agenda, well we can make one up | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | lets wait a few for others | 20:02 |
| harlowja | jlucci i think i can mesh the rollbackaccumulator into our stuff | 20:02 |
| harlowja | that way everyone will be happy | 20:02 |
| jlucci | Sounds good (: | 20:02 |
| maoy | have a conflict. will check the log later. have fun guys. | 20:03 |
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| harlowja | sounds good, thx maoy | 20:03 |
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| harlowja | #topic status | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "status (Meeting topic: state-management)" | 20:03 | |
| harlowja | so if we have people working on taskflow (or integrating it) we can use this little topic for any kind of status on what u are doing, i can go first | 20:04 |
| harlowja | i've been just working on the library structure, and impls, and have been experimenting with how cinder might change to use said library | 20:04 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29862/ | 20:05 |
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| harlowja | also been helping jlucci get her db/celery stuff in | 20:05 |
| harlowja | and trying to see how we can get more nova usage and adjusting to see how we can make that happen in a simple (not major restructure way) | 20:05 |
| harlowja | thats it for me :) | 20:06 |
| jlucci | Shweet. Guess I'll go next | 20:06 |
| harlowja | sureeee | 20:06 |
| jlucci | So, spent a lot of time getting a database backend setup | 20:07 |
| jlucci | All of that seems to be working appropriate (currently only implementation is sql) | 20:07 |
| harlowja | sweet! | 20:07 |
| jlucci | and kchenweijie is working on some unit tests for all of that | 20:07 |
| harlowja | *oh ya, i've been doing unit tests this week also | 20:07 |
| jlucci | So, that along with some basic config stuff got pulled into the code | 20:08 |
| jlucci | :P yay unit tests | 20:08 |
| harlowja | how's the stackforge move going? | 20:08 |
| jlucci | I'm obviously a gerrit-noob | 20:08 |
| jlucci | ha | 20:08 |
| harlowja | np :) | 20:08 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29981/ | 20:08 |
| jlucci | Accidentally put in two requests, went back, squashed my previous commit into the first one, and pushed that back up for review | 20:08 |
| harlowja | i put up a small comment, the infra people probably want it squashed | 20:08 |
| harlowja | *so that it doesn't have 2 change-ids | 20:09 |
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| harlowja | change-ids are how gerrit associates commits so 2 might confuse it | 20:09 |
| jlucci | Oh, well I abandoned the first commit/review | 20:10 |
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| jlucci | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29981/ Has all the commits that need to be merged into the stackforge stuff | 20:10 |
| harlowja | ya, that one looks ok, just might want to remove one of the 'Change-Id: ' lines | 20:10 |
| jlucci | Oh, snap. Didn't see the second one | 20:11 |
| jlucci | Oh, gerrit | 20:11 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:11 |
| jlucci | So, will fix that shortly. haha | 20:11 |
| harlowja | cool | 20:11 |
| harlowja | sounds good | 20:11 |
| harlowja | anyone else want to report any kind of useful status info :) | 20:11 |
| jlucci | As for the celery stuff, after a talk I had today, I actually think I'm going to go back and re-implement it in a different way. Something more distributed, less workflow-oriented | 20:12 |
| harlowja | ok | 20:12 |
| jlucci | Yeah, and that covers my stuffs | 20:12 |
| harlowja | sweet | 20:12 |
| harlowja | #topic use-cases | 20:12 |
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| harlowja | if devananda is around, his baremetal stuff might have a new use-case we can get involved in | 20:13 |
| harlowja | not sure if he is, but anyone something to think about | 20:13 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29804/ | 20:13 |
| harlowja | he's the first that i think is trying to do locking | 20:14 |
| devananda | \o | 20:14 |
| harlowja | hi devananda ! | 20:14 |
| harlowja | just was mentioning your review, and how taskflow pep's can think about how to provide that use-case | 20:14 |
| devananda | cool :) | 20:14 |
| devananda | want meto say anything about what we're doing? | 20:15 |
| harlowja | sure | 20:15 |
| jlucci | please (: | 20:15 |
| devananda | k | 20:15 |
| harlowja | acquiring locks on stuff, haha | 20:15 |
| devananda | to support having multiple manager services in one ironic deployment | 20:15 |
| devananda | need to coordinate which one is acting on what physical resource | 20:16 |
| devananda | eg, who's talking to the BMC | 20:16 |
| devananda | so there are 2 levels of locks | 20:16 |
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| harlowja | BMC == bare metal controller? | 20:16 |
| devananda | ya | 20:16 |
| devananda | IPMI card or what ever | 20:16 |
| harlowja | k, thx | 20:16 |
| devananda | one lock in the db, to prevent another manager process from doing _anything_ with that BMC | 20:17 |
| devananda | and then a semaphore inside the manager process | 20:17 |
| devananda | so only one thread can do things that require exclusive access | 20:17 |
| devananda | like writes | 20:17 |
| devananda | but other threads can still do reads to the BMC | 20:17 |
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| devananda | [eol] | 20:17 |
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| harlowja | interesting | 20:17 |
| jlucci | We could definitely carry over the blocking manager processes | 20:18 |
| adrian_otto | I'd like to suggest that there is no such thing as a lock in the DB, unless all access to the db is limited to a single thread in a single process. | 20:18 |
| harlowja | whats an example of something that would happen simulatenously (by different threads) | 20:18 |
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| harlowja | adrian_otto yes, its a very good point | 20:19 |
| adrian_otto | otherwise you get race conditions with the MVCC implementations of all popular databases | 20:19 |
| devananda | harlowja: 1 thd doing a deployment. 1 thd polling power state | 20:19 |
| harlowja | devananda thanks | 20:20 |
| adrian_otto | state machines and MVCC systems are fundamentally incompatible, such that MVCC must not be a component of a state machine. | 20:20 |
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| devananda | adrian_otto: update .. set col=X where col=Null and id=123; | 20:20 |
| devananda | adrian_otto: at least with innodb's mvcc, i believe that will work | 20:21 |
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| devananda | but, in principle, i agree :) | 20:21 |
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| adrian_otto | that will work if there is no concurrency at the time of the update. | 20:21 |
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| devananda | even if there is. only one writer will succeed | 20:22 |
| devananda | others will timeout or fail | 20:22 |
| adrian_otto | yes | 20:22 |
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| adrian_otto | you will get different transaction commit results from SQLite and InnoDB for example | 20:22 |
| devananda | yep | 20:23 |
| devananda | and fwiw, i have no idea how postgres will behave :( | 20:23 |
| harlowja | ya, which is where using sqlalchemy will bite us | 20:23 |
| devananda | so, if there is another / better solution, i'm all ears :) | 20:23 |
| adrian_otto | so if the idea is to make a db implementation that lets you put arbitrary databases behind it… then this is going to flop. | 20:23 |
| adrian_otto | I'm saying go ahead and use the DB for persistence of state transitions | 20:23 |
| harlowja | right, so far jlucci is working on that | 20:23 |
| adrian_otto | but you need an abstraction on top of the persistence layer that manages locks and eliminates the concurrency edge cases. | 20:24 |
| harlowja | the locking part we have somewhat (basically job ownership should be atomic), but we do not have this type of locking yet | 20:24 |
| adrian_otto | right, that's the root of my concern. | 20:24 |
| harlowja | sure | 20:25 |
| harlowja | understandable | 20:25 |
| adrian_otto | so if the goal is to start with something simple, and iterate, then funnel all state transitions through an intentional bottleneck where you manage the concurrency. | 20:25 |
| adrian_otto | one such approach is to expose an API that serializes access to the database without relying on the database for the locking | 20:26 |
| adrian_otto | and all concurrent clients use that API | 20:26 |
| harlowja | like a DB proxy :( | 20:26 |
| adrian_otto | there are other solutions as well, but that one is not complicated | 20:26 |
| adrian_otto | yes, you can think of it that way. | 20:27 |
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| devananda | a separate special db proxy | 20:27 |
| devananda | just used for lock mgmt | 20:27 |
| harlowja | could be | 20:27 |
| devananda | since it would probably make everything else really slow :) | 20:27 |
| adrian_otto | yes | 20:27 |
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| adrian_otto | well, if it has a reader/writer lock implementation it would not necessarily be slow | 20:28 |
| harlowja | like something like zookeeper, haha | 20:28 |
| adrian_otto | but if there are lots of concurrent writers, then by definition it would slow it down. | 20:28 |
| adrian_otto | and I'd argue that's the desired outcome | 20:28 |
| harlowja | ya, i wonder if time should be spent inventing said service (which is like a mini-serializing-ZK), or just recommend people use ZK, idk | 20:29 |
| devananda | my point is, some db traffic doesn't need write locks around it. it's really only the _establishing_ of a lock that requires it | 20:29 |
| devananda | eg, in my use case | 20:30 |
| devananda | once a given process has that lock, it should be free to write until it releases the lock | 20:30 |
| devananda | since no one else will touch that resource | 20:30 |
| devananda | the same model probably works in nova and elsewhere | 20:30 |
| devananda | "lock instance" should be non-concurrent. "write stuff" could be parallel after that. | 20:31 |
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| adrian_otto | sure, and we could implement that simply by having a single manager process that handles issuing you the lock. | 20:31 |
| devananda | right | 20:31 |
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| adrian_otto | but that at no time shall any two manager processes try to use the same lock table in the db | 20:32 |
| adrian_otto | you also need to require that any readers also get a lock from the same authority that the writer's lock came from | 20:33 |
| adrian_otto | they can't just expect to look in the db, and if the lock is in the table, then enter a polling loop | 20:33 |
| adrian_otto | see what I mean? | 20:33 |
| harlowja | yup, seems like a weird scaling bottleck :( | 20:33 |
| adrian_otto | definitely, it is. | 20:33 |
| devananda | yep | 20:34 |
| adrian_otto | but properly implemented you should be able to handle thousands of locks per second with that design | 20:34 |
| harlowja | *and with a correct backing database* | 20:34 |
| adrian_otto | which should work fine for a control plane like this one, even if there were a very large number of cloud resources under management. | 20:34 |
| devananda | CAP theorem at work | 20:34 |
| harlowja | devananda def, lock reclaimation, who is the right manager and so on worries me, haha | 20:35 |
| adrian_otto | and yes, it does make the system more brittle. It's the Consistency vs. Availability tradeoff in CAP. | 20:35 |
| devananda | i feel like this discussion has turned from C to P | 20:35 |
| devananda | heh | 20:36 |
| devananda | at least we all share the same concerns :) | 20:36 |
| harlowja | agreed | 20:36 |
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| adrian_otto | what's the objection to just taking a hard dependency on ZK? I know there is a reluctance around that, but I missed whomever expressed it. | 20:37 |
| harlowja | i haven't quite figured that out yet either | 20:37 |
| harlowja | i'd almost rather recommend ZK instead of trying to build mini-ZK+db wrongly ;) | 20:37 |
| harlowja | i think the main objections were that its a new thing to manage | 20:38 |
| adrian_otto | is it the fact that people want a library to use within a single thread of an app, and don't want the overhead of a ZK unless they are dealing with distributed state? | 20:38 |
| harlowja | i think we can handle that problem with filelocks | 20:38 |
| harlowja | i think ZK is just a new service that people don't have operational experience with | 20:38 |
| adrian_otto | yeah, I raised that suggestion before. | 20:39 |
| devananda | i'm concerned also with cross-host locks | 20:39 |
| devananda | eg, HA for the ironic manager service | 20:39 |
| harlowja | devananda me to :( | 20:39 |
| devananda | so filelocks are no use | 20:39 |
| adrian_otto | …unless… | 20:39 |
| adrian_otto | you basically re-implement what ZK does... | 20:40 |
| harlowja | and publish papers! | 20:40 |
| devananda | also, i need to go read up on ZK :) | 20:40 |
| adrian_otto | with what amounts to a 2PC of data between a quorum of nodes. | 20:40 |
| devananda | hmm. 2PC again depends on the db backend | 20:40 |
| adrian_otto | don't think DB | 20:40 |
| harlowja | and 1+ years of work ;) | 20:40 |
| adrian_otto | just think how you commit state | 20:41 |
| adrian_otto | regardless of that the persistence layer is. | 20:41 |
| devananda | yeh. that's really tricky :) | 20:41 |
| adrian_otto | right. | 20:41 |
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| adrian_otto | so maybe we could think about ways to make ZK brain dead simple to use for this. | 20:41 |
| adrian_otto | and overcome the management objection | 20:42 |
| harlowja | thats easy i think, kazoo makes it pretty braindead | 20:42 |
| harlowja | #link https://github.com/python-zk/kazoo/tree/master/kazoo/recipe | 20:42 |
| harlowja | adrian_otto that could work, i think that most companies are running ZK anyway, i just don't know if we can convince other devs that its required so easily | 20:43 |
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| harlowja | *thats the hardier part* since it requires u to bend your mind (in a way) | 20:43 |
| adrian_otto | the current plan is to have pluggable backends | 20:44 |
| adrian_otto | if you plug in "db" then it should use a single (centralized) lock service, and the bottleneck and HA characteristic that comes with | 20:44 |
| adrian_otto | if you plug in "zk" then you get HA | 20:44 |
| harlowja | sure, but said 'single (centralized) lock service' doesn't seem like it should be provided by this library | 20:44 |
| harlowja | and i don't think it exists anywhere right? | 20:45 |
| harlowja | so then there would be a ZK backend, and a phantom backend? | 20:45 |
| adrian_otto | right, it does not yet exist | 20:45 |
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| harlowja | sure, i wonder who would desire to make it then, since ZK does it without developing a new backend | 20:46 |
| adrian_otto | but I'm suggesting that it's not hard to offer one for those that want to use the db backend simply need to run the lock service somewhere, and specify a configuration attribute to the taskflow library that indicates the host:port where it is running | 20:46 |
| adrian_otto | in all honesty I think this could be done in about 100 lines of C++ | 20:47 |
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| adrian_otto | or maybe less of python code | 20:48 |
| harlowja | sure, the part that worries me is that providing that means that we have to support it and then can't use more advanced features of ZK later due to this db-backend | 20:48 |
| harlowja | but maybe i'm thinking to much, ha | 20:48 |
| adrian_otto | is there such a thing as a single node ZK? | 20:48 |
| harlowja | run it on 1 computer :-P | 20:49 |
| harlowja | its just a java program | 20:49 |
| adrian_otto | oh, a bell just went off in my head. | 20:49 |
| harlowja | ? | 20:49 |
| adrian_otto | I think that's the reluctance to work with ZK | 20:49 |
| adrian_otto | Java. | 20:49 |
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| harlowja | the underlying linux is written in c, we should not use it either ;) | 20:50 |
| harlowja | and that libvirt thing, ha | 20:50 |
| devananda | hah | 20:50 |
| adrian_otto | LOL | 20:50 |
| devananda | adrian_otto: flashing red lights. | 20:50 |
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| devananda | harlowja: so that's probably the source of the reluctance. Java :) | 20:51 |
| harlowja | ya, that mindsets messed up :-P | 20:51 |
| devananda | it certainly turns me off of it ... | 20:51 |
| adrian_otto | that's a theme that keeps cropping up | 20:51 |
| harlowja | its a service that provides apis, so u don't have to know its running java, lol | 20:52 |
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| harlowja | just somewhere it will be | 20:52 |
| devananda | except we do to deploy it | 20:52 |
| harlowja | have someone else deploy it, lol | 20:52 |
| devananda | and make openstack depend on java? hrm... | 20:52 |
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| devananda | if there were a non-java alternative, that'd probably fly | 20:52 |
| harlowja | i saw one in go, lol | 20:52 |
| devananda | :) | 20:52 |
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| adrian_otto | let's table this for now | 20:52 |
| harlowja | google likely has one internally in c++/c | 20:53 |
| harlowja | but good luck getting it out of google | 20:53 |
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| adrian_otto | every distributed filesystem has solved this issue. | 20:53 |
| harlowja | well alot of opensource projects use zookeeper, so i don't think its anything new | 20:53 |
| jlucci | So, i'm coming halfway through this, but I don't think using zk will necessarily be an issue | 20:54 |
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| harlowja | it depends on what lock features we want | 20:54 |
| jlucci | All we need is some sort of abstraction that provides the same functionality as zookeeper, right? | 20:54 |
| adrian_otto | jlucci: there you are, thinking rationally. | 20:54 |
| jlucci | Then tell the user to throw whatever they want want behind that abstraction/api/whatever | 20:55 |
| adrian_otto | jlucci: yes | 20:55 |
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| adrian_otto | a get_lock() call is really not taht hard to back-end with Py | 20:55 |
| harlowja | well release is though, especially if the backend goes away :-P | 20:56 |
| harlowja | but maybe jlucci is right and we just make some simple backends, idk | 20:56 |
| adrian_otto | that would need to be something you accept when you decide not to use the HA option backed by ZK | 20:56 |
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| harlowja | agreed | 20:57 |
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| adrian_otto | it would be reliable as long as the backend remained running | 20:57 |
| adrian_otto | which moves distributed risk to centralized risk | 20:58 |
| harlowja | sure, so another idea is that redis/memcache provide these semantics | 20:58 |
| adrian_otto | which is a design pattern that IT managers are very familiar with handling | 20:58 |
| adrian_otto | harlowja: you can actually use memcache as a backing store for locks | 20:59 |
| harlowja | ok, so lets see what we can develop for this | 20:59 |
| harlowja | ya, i think it has basic semantics for this | 20:59 |
| harlowja | nothing special | 20:59 |
| harlowja | and might be more 'acceptable' that ZK | 20:59 |
| harlowja | since its in C ;) | 20:59 |
| adrian_otto | just put a thin api on the front of it to make it more usable | 20:59 |
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| harlowja | ya | 20:59 |
| harlowja | that could be the default impl | 20:59 |
| jlucci | Whelp - we're almost at time | 21:00 |
| harlowja | ok, we can chat more on the mailing list, sound good? | 21:00 |
| adrian_otto | yep | 21:00 |
| harlowja | good discussion :) | 21:00 |
| jlucci | Yup | 21:00 |
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| harlowja | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 23 21:00:24 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-05-23-20.01.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-05-23-20.01.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-05-23-20.01.log.html | 21:00 |
| harlowja | or in #openstack-state-management | 21:00 |
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| russellb | nova meeting starting in a minute or so | 21:01 |
| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 23 21:02:25 2013 UTC. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
| russellb | hello, everyone | 21:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:02 |
| devananda | \o | 21:02 |
| russellb | who's around? | 21:02 |
| alaski | o/ | 21:02 |
| cyeoh | hi! | 21:02 |
| morganfainberg | oh hi! | 21:02 |
| mriedem | hi | 21:02 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 21:02 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:02 |
| beagles | .o/ | 21:02 |
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| senhuang | o. | 21:03 |
| russellb | #topic havana-1 | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "havana-1 (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:03 | |
| harlowja | yo | 21:03 |
| russellb | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-1 | 21:03 |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:03 |
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| russellb | soooo, havana-1 is a week from today | 21:03 |
| russellb | the feature merge deadline is Tuesday | 21:03 |
| mikal | Yay! | 21:03 |
| russellb | and there are a bunch of things needing review to make that happen | 21:03 |
| dansmith | the apiv3 stuff needs major review | 21:04 |
| russellb | so, let's try to make the things on this list a priority with your review time | 21:04 |
| russellb | #help APIv3 work needs reviews: http://goo.gl/5kChi | 21:04 |
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| russellb | #help Please use havana-1 blueprints to prioritize your review time in the next few days | 21:04 |
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| russellb | any other comments or questions about the push toward havana-1? | 21:05 |
| russellb | also a bunch of bugs targeted at havana-1, but all in progress (presumably under review) | 21:05 |
| dansmith | objects! | 21:06 |
| mikal | Don't forget h-1 targetted bugs either | 21:06 |
| russellb | mikal: :-) | 21:06 |
| morganfainberg | dansmith: objects! | 21:06 |
| mriedem | how does one get a bug targeted for h-1? | 21:06 |
| mikal | (Curse my slow typing) | 21:06 |
| russellb | dansmith: orly? would you like to say more? :-) | 21:06 |
| russellb | mriedem: not sure everyone has permissions to do it | 21:06 |
| dansmith | russellb: I'm on a call and trying to make points of things to review.. apiv3 and objects, both targetted for h1 | 21:06 |
| russellb | mriedem: you can ask nicely :-) | 21:06 |
| russellb | ah | 21:07 |
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| russellb | #help please help review dansmith's objects patches, too | 21:07 |
| mriedem | russellb: ok, i'll remember in open topics, thanks | 21:07 |
| russellb | alright, so yeah, let's get this stuff up | 21:07 |
| russellb | we have 3 dev milestones to get features in | 21:07 |
| russellb | and right now the havana-1 list is about 1/3 of what we have on the full havana list | 21:07 |
| russellb | so we really do need to get these done to stay on track | 21:07 |
| devananda | boris is asking for reviews on the bp/db-improve-archiving reviews, too | 21:08 |
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| russellb | #help please help review db-improve-archiving patches | 21:08 |
| russellb | k, on to some bug discussion | 21:08 |
| russellb | #topic bugs | 21:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:08 | |
| russellb | we had a bug day yesterday ... good news and bad news | 21:08 |
| russellb | good news: a bunch of bugs got triaged | 21:08 |
| russellb | bad news: it was basically all by one person | 21:08 |
| russellb | huge gold star for mikal :-) | 21:08 |
| russellb | so, mikal got a thread going on the mailing list trying to discuss new ideas for handling our triage workload | 21:09 |
| russellb | my favorite idea so far is something quantum is doing, which is tagging | 21:09 |
| mikal | So, having now read that thread... I like the tagging idea. Let's try it. | 21:09 |
| russellb | and then having people focused on triaging bugs with a given tag that they know well enough | 21:09 |
| russellb | mikal: cool | 21:09 |
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| mikal | It becomes a nice way of getting a subteam's attention as well | 21:10 |
| russellb | so, i started documenting this to get us going | 21:10 |
| mriedem | russellb: mikal: would work well for the virt drivers, they already have tags | 21:10 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage | 21:10 |
| russellb | mriedem: yeah | 21:10 |
| * mikal wonders if we need a catchall tag as well? | 21:10 | |
| russellb | so, take a look at that wiki page ... we need to flesh out our tag list, and start getting people assigned to each tag | 21:10 |
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| devananda | i haevn't read the thread, but, tagging bugs eg "db", "vmware", etc seems really helpful to me | 21:10 |
| mriedem | right, i try to tag all powervm bugs and triage them (if not already), but i've noticed it doesn't happen often | 21:10 |
| russellb | mikal: "core stuff" ? heh | 21:10 |
| mriedem | agreed | 21:10 |
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| mikal | russellb: "unknown"? | 21:10 |
| mikal | For "I'm not sure WTF this is, but it sure is a thing" | 21:10 |
| russellb | the other thing is we need some canned queries so people can quickly pull up the list applicable to them | 21:11 |
| devananda | is there a good way to encourage bug submitters to add tags? | 21:11 |
| russellb | tagged with db and in the new state, or whatever | 21:11 |
| * comstud is here now | 21:11 | |
| russellb | devananda: i don't know of a way to have a blatantly obvious bug guidelines thing | 21:11 |
| mikal | Could we use triaged and confirmed here? | 21:11 |
| mikal | Mark things triaged when tags added / verified | 21:11 |
| * johnthetubaguy is here now too | 21:11 | |
| mikal | Mark with confirmed when someone on that subteam has evaluated the bug? | 21:11 |
| mriedem | russellb: the hypervisor support matrix wiki has queries for known virt driver bugs | 21:11 |
| russellb | mikal: if needed ... seems like the lack of a tag or has a tag is enough | 21:12 |
| mriedem | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HypervisorSupportMatrix#Known_bugs.2C_by_hypervisor | 21:12 |
| russellb | mriedem: indeed ... just need to refine the queries to show you the tagged bugs that are untriaged | 21:12 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:12 |
| mikal | russellb: well, wont the lack of a tag keep the bug stuck in triage hell? | 21:12 |
| russellb | and then get those on the new bug triage page | 21:12 |
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| russellb | mikal: i was hoping we'd have another query for untriaged bugs that are untagged | 21:12 |
| russellb | mikal: and people looking at that list, as well | 21:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | I tend to google xen in the bugs and tag a few | 21:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | (and triage them) | 21:12 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: that's what i did for powervm the other night | 21:13 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: awesome, so basically already doing this :-) | 21:13 |
| devananda | mikal: that's my concern. i've spotted several baremetal bugs come in w/o a tag | 21:13 |
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| russellb | yeah, so we need to formalize this, and do it consistently, make it easy, etc | 21:13 |
| devananda | found them by actually using search | 21:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: +1 | 21:13 |
| mikal | We can always iterate | 21:13 |
| russellb | devananda: yep, so i'm proposing we have a first step of triage that is just tagging, before the "real" triage happens | 21:13 |
| mikal | Let's give it a try and see what happens | 21:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | devanada: yes, theres always a few that don't get the tag, users probably don't know the tags, and thats fine | 21:14 |
| mikal | It can't be worse than now | 21:14 |
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| russellb | so take a look at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage and help fill it in :-) | 21:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds like a good plan, I am happy to take XenAPI stuff | 21:14 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: perfect | 21:14 |
| mikal | I'll add myself to the list of people dumb enough to tag things | 21:14 |
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| russellb | mikal: cool :-) ... i added myself because i thought it'd be a good spot in the process to quickly see what bugs are coming in, but without having the full responsibility of full triage anymore | 21:15 |
| russellb | mikal: a nice breakdown, i think | 21:15 |
| mikal | russellb: yeah, there's also a big backlog of untagged bugs, so we might have to grind through them for a bit | 21:15 |
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| cyeoh | is there a way to show bugs that don't have a tag at all? | 21:16 |
| russellb | mikal: indeed ... if we do it in the triage part, everything new will always be tagged ... but would be good to fix the older stuff over time | 21:16 |
| cyeoh | (and I'm happy to triage bugs that are REST API related) | 21:16 |
| russellb | cyeoh: don't know, i was hoping we could have a query for that | 21:16 |
| russellb | i'd like to query for new bugs without a tag, that'd be the query used for step 1 on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage | 21:16 |
| russellb | cyeoh: consider yourself signed up :-) | 21:16 |
| russellb | i don't know if you can do a query for that ... but i haven't tried yet | 21:17 |
| russellb | and i think we're a pretty smart group, so i bet we can figure something out. | 21:17 |
| russellb | even if we script it. | 21:17 |
| russellb | cool ... so at least we have a plan for a next thing to try on bug triage | 21:18 |
| russellb | so hopefully we won't make mikal sad again | 21:18 |
| mikal | Oh, I am sure we will | 21:18 |
| russellb | :-) | 21:18 |
| mikal | Just in new and exciting ways | 21:18 |
| mikal | :P | 21:18 |
| russellb | yep | 21:19 |
| russellb | but at least not in the same way | 21:19 |
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| russellb | see, that's progress | 21:19 |
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| russellb | anything else on bugs? | 21:19 |
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| cyeoh | ah, apparently searching for '-*' in the tags field searches for bugs without tags | 21:19 |
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| russellb | cyeoh: nice :-) | 21:19 |
| russellb | #topic sub-team reports | 21:20 |
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| russellb | who's around to give a subteam report? raise your virtual hand and we'll go one by one | 21:20 |
| * johnthetubaguy waves | 21:20 | |
| russellb | devananda: want to start? | 21:20 |
| n0ano | scheduler o/ | 21:20 |
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| russellb | ok, will come back to devananda | 21:21 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: xen! | 21:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | hey | 21:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | major news, smokestack is getting closer mate and dan price are working on it | 21:21 |
| russellb | great to hear | 21:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | on latest XenServer 6.1 rather than 5.6 | 21:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks to Ant from Rax for that | 21:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | other stuff is boring really, so that everything | 21:21 |
| russellb | k, thanks :-) | 21:22 |
| devananda | back now. also, dripton, are you around? | 21:22 |
| dripton | hi | 21:22 |
| russellb | devananda: alright, go ahead :-) | 21:22 |
| antonym | johnthetubaguy: no prob :P | 21:22 |
| dripton | I can give one for db though we're not strictly a nova team | 21:22 |
| * devananda passes the db-mic to dripton | 21:22 | |
| russellb | dripton: that's fine, other teams are like that too | 21:22 |
| harlowja | i can give something to | 21:22 |
| * dripton takes mic | 21:22 | |
| russellb | harlowja: ack, you're in the queue | 21:22 |
| dripton | So boris-42 did a whole bunch of patches for the improve-db-archiving blueprint, which are in good shape but several await +2s | 21:23 |
| dripton | We'll be nagging reviewers before the havana-1 deadline to get those in. | 21:23 |
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| dripton | Also comstud is making a big change for the mysqldb backend, but that won't be ready for a bit longer. | 21:23 |
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| dripton | And various small fixes. | 21:23 |
| dripton | That's it. | 21:24 |
| russellb | cool, thanks! | 21:24 |
| russellb | devananda: Ironic? | 21:24 |
| devananda | sure | 21:24 |
| devananda | first, quick note about nova-baremetal | 21:24 |
| devananda | there are two bugs tagged critical | 21:24 |
| devananda | looks like one is being worked in (i need to review after this) | 21:24 |
| devananda | this one may need some love | 21:24 |
| devananda | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1178092 | 21:24 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1178092 in nova "second boot during baremetal deploy does not configure netboot : will hang unless the machine attempts PXE automatically" [Critical,Triaged] | 21:24 |
| devananda | unless someone else gets to it first, i will try this weekend | 21:24 |
| devananda | ironic ... | 21:25 |
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| devananda | lots of people came out of the wood work and we've divvied up tasks | 21:25 |
| devananda | so it's moving :) | 21:25 |
| devananda | nothing for h1 tho | 21:25 |
| devananda | [eol] | 21:25 |
| russellb | oh cool, was hoping people would step up | 21:25 |
| russellb | glad to hear | 21:25 |
| devananda | ah, i suppose this is helpful too | 21:25 |
| russellb | devananda: thanks! | 21:25 |
| devananda | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic | 21:26 |
| devananda | :) | 21:26 |
| russellb | nice | 21:26 |
| russellb | getting all official | 21:26 |
| devananda | hehe | 21:26 |
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| harlowja | wow, i need that, lol | 21:26 |
| russellb | k, couple more teams | 21:26 |
| russellb | n0ano: scheduler! | 21:26 |
| n0ano | Got through two items, network bandwidht scheduling & group/ensembles, mostly discussion over mechanics of how to make the changes. | 21:26 |
| n0ano | senhuang, was there the whole time, maybe he can add more | 21:26 |
| n0ano | otherwise that's about it, go through the log for the gory details | 21:27 |
| senhuang | Yep. there were a lot of discussions on both subjects | 21:27 |
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| n0ano | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler_sub_group/2013/scheduler_sub_group.2013-05-21-15.00.log.html | 21:27 |
| senhuang | at the end of the meeting, people also discussed the multi-scheduling | 21:27 |
| russellb | i'm pretty sure i had a dream this week involving multi-scheduling, it was really bizarre. | 21:28 |
| senhuang | we are making progresses towards the instance group api extension implementation | 21:28 |
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| senhuang | db part of work is done | 21:28 |
| russellb | so, I put a -2 on the db part, but just because i'd like to see more of the code that uses it before it goes in | 21:28 |
| senhuang | now the api part of work is submitted, but there is still some work on the REST part to submit | 21:29 |
| russellb | oh, didn't see the next update, then | 21:29 |
| senhuang | this work uses the db part of work | 21:29 |
| russellb | cool | 21:29 |
| senhuang | i hope i can finish it this week | 21:29 |
| senhuang | okay. done | 21:30 |
| russellb | thanks! | 21:30 |
| russellb | harlowja: you're up | 21:30 |
| harlowja | sweet! | 21:30 |
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| harlowja | so library is still being worked on, lots of good work there, forming up quite nicely | 21:30 |
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| harlowja | working with johnthetubaguy and devananda and others on various pieces of it | 21:31 |
| harlowja | discussing how lock ownership/service might work | 21:31 |
| harlowja | prototyping how cinder might use it | 21:31 |
| harlowja | database tracking backend got hooked in, so good progress going | 21:31 |
| harlowja | *moving to stackforge shortly* | 21:31 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29981/ | 21:32 |
| harlowja | thats about it :) | 21:32 |
| russellb | cool, thanks! | 21:32 |
| harlowja | np | 21:32 |
| russellb | hartsocks: hi! what's up in vmware land | 21:32 |
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| hartsocks | hey | 21:32 |
| hartsocks | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-05-22-17.01.html | 21:32 |
| hartsocks | So we met this week with 11 participants. | 21:32 |
| hartsocks | We're targeting H-2 for two of our blueprints. | 21:32 |
| hartsocks | And we identified 4 "blocker bugs" that need to get fixed ASAP | 21:33 |
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| hartsocks | We have folks working on all 4 of these. | 21:33 |
| hartsocks | So I'd say things are starting to really get rolling for us. | 21:33 |
| russellb | k, ping me if you think any can get merged in the next few days | 21:33 |
| hartsocks | I think we need to get some more disucussion, but thanks. | 21:33 |
| russellb | i meant those blocker bugs | 21:34 |
| hartsocks | Right. | 21:34 |
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| russellb | but cool, i think i owe you guys blueprint review on the havana-2 blueprints | 21:34 |
| russellb | haven't gone back to look to see if they've been updated | 21:34 |
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| hartsocks | We'll ping you when things move then. | 21:35 |
| russellb | k | 21:35 |
| russellb | anything else? | 21:35 |
| hartsocks | That's about all. | 21:35 |
| russellb | any questions on any sub-team stuff? | 21:35 |
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| harlowja | not currently, likely will be after i start jumping back into nova code :) | 21:35 |
| * russellb nods | 21:36 | |
| russellb | #topic open discussion | 21:36 |
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| russellb | mriedem: you had a bug? | 21:36 |
| mriedem | yeah, i'm looking to get some reviews on this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29005/ | 21:36 |
| mriedem | the changes are pervasive but not that bad, the size is mostly in tests | 21:37 |
| russellb | yeah, diffstat looks scary | 21:37 |
| mriedem | dansmith and comstud handled a lot of the low hanging review early | 21:37 |
| russellb | (touching all the drivers) | 21:37 |
| mriedem | yup | 21:37 |
| mriedem | latent bug | 21:37 |
| mriedem | i was also hoping to get this marked for h-1, i think it's pretty much ready to go: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27534/ | 21:38 |
| mriedem | mikal: ^ | 21:38 |
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| russellb | on the first one, based on the commit message, it makes sense to me | 21:38 |
| * mikal looks | 21:38 | |
| russellb | just needs careful review | 21:38 |
| mikal | Oh yeah, that's the one where I was being a grumpy old man | 21:38 |
| russellb | mikal: that's different? | 21:38 |
| mikal | Herh | 21:39 |
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| mriedem | mikal: i think he took care of what you wanted, i.e. opening the perf bug | 21:39 |
| mikal | Yeah he did | 21:39 |
| mikal | Then I got distracted by a shiney object | 21:39 |
| mikal | Reviewing it now | 21:39 |
| mriedem | that will happen :) | 21:39 |
| mriedem | thanks | 21:39 |
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| russellb | oh, so random thing ... i was playing with stats earlier. We've had 137 people participate in nova code reviews in the last 30 days | 21:40 |
| russellb | i think that's pretty amazing. | 21:40 |
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| harlowja | def, where are all these people ;0 | 21:40 |
| dansmith | not as amazing as 138 would be, but definitely awesome :) | 21:40 |
| mikal | LOL | 21:40 |
| russellb | harlowja: scattered around the globe, i suspect | 21:40 |
| mikal | dansmith: you're so upbeat | 21:40 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:41 |
| russellb | dansmith: ha, so hard to please | 21:41 |
| dripton | you mean you don't each have a couple of sockpuppet to give your patches +1s? | 21:41 |
| mikal | I'd like more code review friends in the southern hemisphere | 21:41 |
| mikal | We might upduct dansmith and bring him down here | 21:41 |
| harlowja | dripton, hahaha | 21:41 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:41 |
| mikal | s/upduct/abduct/ | 21:41 |
| russellb | mikal: you should just move this way | 21:42 |
| russellb | mikal: i can offer you sweet potato casserole as a relocation bonus | 21:42 |
| mikal | russellb: but the bread is weird in 'merica | 21:43 |
| mikal | russellb: you made that up. That's not a thing! | 21:43 |
| russellb | mikal: with marshmallow. | 21:43 |
| dansmith | mmmm, reminds me of home in the south | 21:43 |
| mikal | Does arguing about food indicate that this meeting is kindof over? | 21:43 |
| russellb | mikal: yes | 21:43 |
| russellb | anything else? | 21:44 |
| mikal | That sweet potatoe marshmallow thing is awesome though | 21:44 |
| mikal | We should have a meetup in Hawaii | 21:44 |
| russellb | alrighty then ... #openstack-nova is open 24/7 for other spontaneous discussion throughout the week | 21:44 |
| cyeoh | +1 for Hawaii meetup! | 21:44 |
| russellb | thanks all! | 21:44 |
| russellb | cyeoh: mikal +100 | 21:44 |
| mikal | Laters! | 21:44 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 21:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 23 21:44:52 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-05-23-21.02.html | 21:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-05-23-21.02.txt | 21:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-05-23-21.02.log.html | 21:44 |
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