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| n0ano | #startmeeting scheduler | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 25 14:59:55 2013 UTC. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scheduler)" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scheduler' | 15:00 |
| n0ano | anyone here for the scheduler meeting? | 15:00 |
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| senhuang | hello, schedulers! | 15:01 |
| belmoreira | hello | 15:01 |
| jgallard | hello! | 15:01 |
| n0ano | looks like there's a few of us | 15:02 |
| n0ano | #topic Follow ups on the scheduler BPs | 15:02 |
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| n0ano | This is kind of open, are there any issues with the outstanding BPs anyone wants to raise? | 15:03 |
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| n0ano | hmm, hearing silence, let's to to opens | 15:04 |
| n0ano | #topic opens | 15:04 |
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| n0ano | anything? | 15:04 |
| jgallard | belmoreira, did you make advancement on your BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/schedule-set-availability-zones ? | 15:04 |
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| belmoreira | jgalalrd: unfortunately i didn't have the time. Hopefully I will start this week | 15:06 |
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| philday | I posted a first pass at the scheduler-hints API extension yesterday: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34291/ | 15:06 |
| jgallard | belmoreira, ok, thanks! | 15:06 |
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| n0ano | belmoreira, we understand lack of time (still trying to find time to work on the scheduler more) | 15:07 |
| n0ano | well, I thought it would be a short meeting this week (I hope to have more next week), so ... | 15:08 |
| n0ano | unless there are any objections let's close for today | 15:08 |
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| jgallard | ok, philday thanks for your patch | 15:08 |
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| senhuang | okay. | 15:08 |
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| senhuang | the patches for instance-groups are almost all in | 15:09 |
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| senhuang | the pending reviews are https://review.openstack.org/#/c/32904/ | 15:10 |
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| senhuang | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30028/ | 15:10 |
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| senhuang | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33956/ | 15:10 |
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| n0ano | OK, if there are no more opens, I'll close for today | 15:14 |
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| jgallard | ok | 15:15 |
| belmoreira | ok | 15:15 |
| n0ano | tnx everyone | 15:15 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 15:15 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 25 15:15:32 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-06-25-14.59.html | 15:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-06-25-14.59.txt | 15:15 |
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| luis_fdez | hi | 16:00 |
| primeministerp | #startmeeting hyper-v | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 25 16:00:11 2013 UTC. The chair is primeministerp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| pnavarro | hi luis_fdez ! | 16:00 |
| primeministerp | hi luis_fdez | 16:00 |
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| primeministerp | ociuhandu: I'm assuming alex is not joining us today | 16:00 |
| pnavarro | luis_fdez: cómo estás ! | 16:00 |
| ociuhandu | hi all | 16:00 |
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| ociuhandu | primeministerp: he can't make it today afaik | 16:01 |
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| luis_fdez | bien pnavarro, meeting español hoy?? jeje | 16:01 |
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| primeministerp | ok i"m assuming this is going to rbe quick | 16:01 |
| pnavarro | luis_fdez: ;-) | 16:01 |
| primeministerp | I just figured we would touch base since we haven't in a while | 16:01 |
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| primeministerp | pnavarro: anything new from your end? | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | ociuhandu: anything you would like to add? | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: ? | 16:02 |
| pnavarro | primeministerp: not really... sorry | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | that's ok | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | I knew there wouldn't be much to discuss today | 16:03 |
| ociuhandu | primeministerp: nope | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: we should catch up on the puppet bits | 16:03 |
| luis_fdez | nothing new, puppet bits added last week: virtual switch, live migration and powershell provider refactoring that you're aware of | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: yep | 16:03 |
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| luis_fdez | and now, thinking about priorities... suggestions? | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: go for it | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: in terms of priorities w/in the puppet stuff, I would like to have a working module using the public binaries | 16:04 |
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| primeministerp | luis_fdez: i was shooting on aug timeframe | 16:04 |
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| luis_fdez | ok | 16:05 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: any input? | 16:05 |
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| primeministerp | luis_fdez: we can also take the discussion off channel | 16:05 |
| luis_fdez | I think it's feasible to have it running by aug | 16:05 |
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| primeministerp | luis_fdez: i'm hoping sooner | 16:05 |
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| primeministerp | luis_fdez: and ideally that would be from source too | 16:06 |
| primeministerp | but I'm going to be realistic | 16:06 |
| primeministerp | due to my taking a couple weeks off this summer | 16:06 |
| primeministerp | and I'm sure you will be taking time off too | 16:06 |
| luis_fdez | i'm out of the office the first and the last week of august | 16:06 |
| primeministerp | Ideally we have something working and semi pretty by puppetconf | 16:06 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: will you be attending? | 16:07 |
| luis_fdez | no no | 16:07 |
| luis_fdez | :( | 16:07 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I'm looking into being at puppetconfi | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | zehicle_at_dell: o good | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | zehicle_at_dell: i've got a session on thursday afternoon | 16:07 |
| zehicle_at_dell | would be easier if I had a concrete justification ;) | 16:07 |
| zehicle_at_dell | ok | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | zehicle_at_dell: do you need help w/ that? | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | zehicle_at_dell: the justification... that is | 16:08 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | I'll let you know - back to topic | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | fair enough | 16:09 |
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| primeministerp | so luis_fdez that's my goal, I'm going to work on the merging in the "exploded" binaries today | 16:09 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: then verify the rest of the python stack | 16:09 |
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| primeministerp | luis_fdez: once that is complete we can work on the git side | 16:09 |
| luis_fdez | ok, this week I'm busy with some CERN specific stuff but next week I hope I'll be entirely yours :) | 16:10 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: i'm going to check into what it would take to add windows suppor to the vcsrepo | 16:10 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: so on that note | 16:10 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: i'm out next week | 16:10 |
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| primeministerp | let's make a plan prior | 16:10 |
| luis_fdez | ok | 16:10 |
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| primeministerp | luis_fdez: on what you should attack | 16:10 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: i'll be able to respond, but hoping to get some fishing in | 16:10 |
| luis_fdez | i was thinking about | 16:10 |
| luis_fdez | adding the nova_config type as puppetlabs nova | 16:11 |
| luis_fdez | for managing the nova.conf | 16:11 |
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| primeministerp | luis_fdez: would that help align us w/ the upstream nova modules? | 16:11 |
| luis_fdez | yes, it's the same code, we only need to specify the nova.conf path | 16:11 |
| luis_fdez | on windows | 16:12 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: would it introduce a dependancy? | 16:12 |
| luis_fdez | no, we can clone it by now | 16:12 |
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| primeministerp | luis_fdez: ok | 16:12 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: so we can only consume parts | 16:13 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: sounds like a start | 16:13 |
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| primeministerp | luis_fdez: let's touch base before the end of the week to see where things stand. | 16:14 |
| luis_fdez | ok | 16:14 |
| primeministerp | I'm good otherwise | 16:14 |
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| primeministerp | zehicle_at_dell: let's touch base after this | 16:14 |
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| primeministerp | ociuhandu: anything to add? | 16:14 |
| luis_fdez | primeministerp, one thing | 16:14 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: shoot | 16:14 |
| luis_fdez | do you know the status of the RDP console? | 16:15 |
| hanrahat | zehicle_at_dell: primeministerp: I was going to make the same request of Rob | 16:15 |
| luis_fdez | or maybe ociuhandu ? | 16:15 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: that's a question for alex | 16:15 |
| ociuhandu | luis_fdez: we're working on integrating it but still have some stability glitches | 16:16 |
| luis_fdez | ok, thanks ociuhandu :) | 16:16 |
| luis_fdez | I have a bit abandoned the compute driver status :( | 16:16 |
| luis_fdez | puppet is absorbing my life | 16:16 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: fair enough | 16:16 |
| ociuhandu | luis_fdez: due to the python c++ integration, but it's being taken care of now | 16:16 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: it happens | 16:16 |
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| primeministerp | any one want to add any additional comments? | 16:17 |
| hanrahat | primeministerp: loop me in your conversation with zehicle_at_dell | 16:17 |
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| primeministerp | hanrahat: sure thing | 16:18 |
| primeministerp | #endmeeting | 16:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 25 16:18:14 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-06-25-16.00.html | 16:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-06-25-16.00.txt | 16:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-06-25-16.00.log.html | 16:18 |
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| _TheDodd_ | Keystone meeting today at 1800UTC? | 17:08 |
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| ayoung | _TheDodd_, yep, Keystone in 4 | 17:56 |
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| stevemar | keystone!! | 18:00 |
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| gyee | \o | 18:01 |
| spzala | Hi | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | hey | 18:01 |
| [1]fabio | Hi | 18:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:01 |
| topol_ | Hello | 18:01 |
| stevemar | ayoung is running the show today right? | 18:02 |
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| * topol_ *were DOOMED* :-) | 18:02 | |
| gyee | stevemar, that's my understanding | 18:02 |
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| topol_ | did we ever determine the keystone chain of command? I think gyee has to step up next | 18:03 |
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| gyee | topol_, I am just a code monkey | 18:04 |
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| topol_ | yes, until we need our next leader | 18:04 |
| stevemar | gyee, lies, you're next in line :P | 18:05 |
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| topol | I got rid of the _ on my name. thats my contribution for today | 18:05 |
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| gyee | topol, +1 | 18:06 |
| stevemar | somedays are more productive than others | 18:06 |
| topol | I try to pace myself | 18:06 |
| gyee | topol, what's the _ infront of you anyway, is that what I think it is? :) | 18:06 |
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| ayoung | #startmeeting Keystone | 18:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 25 18:06:48 2013 UTC. The chair is ayoung. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:06 |
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| gyee | yah ayoung! | 18:06 |
| topol | gyee was sweating a potential battlefield promotion if you didnt show | 18:07 |
| ayoung | Attending I see gyee topol lbragstad [1]fabio bknudson stevebaker | 18:07 |
| ayoung | argh | 18:07 |
| ayoung | stevemar, | 18:07 |
| stevemar | ;) | 18:07 |
| ayoung | dolphm is PTO | 18:08 |
| bknudson | he earned it. | 18:08 |
| topol | yep | 18:08 |
| ayoung | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 18:08 |
| bknudson | the rest of us have to step up and do code reviews. | 18:08 |
| ayoung | #topic Havana milestone 2 | 18:08 |
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| ayoung | What is burning for H2? | 18:08 |
| ayoung | We have 3 weeks, and I am PTO next week. | 18:08 |
| gyee | pluggable token provider? | 18:09 |
| bknudson | probably henrynash | 18:09 |
| bknudson | 's blueprints | 18:09 |
| bknudson | and pluggable token provider | 18:09 |
| bknudson | does pluggable token provider affect the api? | 18:09 |
| gyee | bknudson, no | 18:09 |
| ayoung | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/havana-2 | 18:09 |
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| bknudson | service catalog affects the api | 18:09 |
| gyee | ayoung, opt-out service catalog is high priority | 18:10 |
| ayoung | Split Identity should be targetted there as well | 18:10 |
| gyee | as it is impacting PKI token size | 18:10 |
| ayoung | gyee, who is working on that? | 18:10 |
| gyee | ayoung, fabio | 18:10 |
| bknudson | There's a review up for it already. | 18:10 |
| ayoung | [1]fabio, can you et that for H2? | 18:10 |
| [1]fabio | yes | 18:10 |
| ayoung | Ah,. OK. lets target H2 that | 18:10 |
| bknudson | but it looked like the code was changing before the api spec. | 18:10 |
| ayoung | link? | 18:10 |
| gyee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33188/ | 18:11 |
| [1]fabio | I will make the API changes by EOW | 18:11 |
| ayoung | [1]fabio, Get a blueprint link in there, and we cabn link the BP to the H2 release. | 18:11 |
| gyee | [1]fabio, what up with the [1]? | 18:11 |
| bknudson | to distinguish him from the other fabio | 18:11 |
| [1]fabio | Don't know, stupid IRC client, I guess | 18:11 |
| topol | the one and only fabio | 18:12 |
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| gyee | my keyboard is kindda [1] unfriendly | 18:12 |
| bknudson | I can't believe it's not fabio | 18:12 |
| topol | we did that joke last time | 18:12 |
| gyee | [1] looks like a big f u sign | 18:12 |
| gyee | sight | 18:12 |
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| gyee | just kidding | 18:13 |
| topol | fabio I just edited my name. you should be able to as well | 18:13 |
| bknudson | [1]fabio: looking forward to the api spec change. | 18:13 |
| [1]fabio | how you do that, please? | 18:13 |
| gyee | use /nick command | 18:13 |
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| topol | my chatzilla has a name pulldown next to the typing window | 18:14 |
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| ayoung | , so the only BPs tagged unstarted for H2 are | 18:14 |
| ayoung | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/inherited-domain-roles | 18:14 |
| ayoung | #action henrynash to update | 18:15 |
| ayoung | and v3 Region API | 18:15 |
| ayoung | which was jaypipes , blocked by termie but due to the fact he wanted to make sure the approach was general enough. | 18:16 |
| ayoung | That review has lapsed | 18:16 |
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| atiwari | can we look https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/serviceid-binding-with-role-definition for H2? | 18:16 |
| atiwari | has some API change | 18:16 |
| gyee | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/serviceid-binding-with-role-definition | 18:16 |
| atiwari | mostly for roles API | 18:17 |
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| gyee | I like the service attribute approach | 18:17 |
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| ayoung | atiwari, are you wroking on it? | 18:17 |
| gyee | service role attribute | 18:17 |
| atiwari | yes, started the BP I can start soon | 18:18 |
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| atiwari | based on +1/+2 | 18:18 |
| gyee | ayoung, can we at least bless the BP first? | 18:18 |
| gyee | we can hash out the design details | 18:19 |
| ayoung | gyee, so role names should be global, so I can't say as I agree with that. I think it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how our RBAC is iplemented | 18:19 |
| ayoung | it is groups that can come from different organizations, not roles | 18:19 |
| atiwari | it will not impact RBAC | 18:20 |
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| ayoung | roles are to determine what perms a user has in a service, so that should be global | 18:20 |
| ayoung | atiwari, I am specifically addressing the verbage in the BP | 18:20 |
| gyee | ayoung, you are confusing role names with role IDs | 18:20 |
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| gyee | having role names global is inflexible | 18:20 |
| gyee | just like we do away with having user names global | 18:21 |
| ayoung | Ah, OK...He is saying specifically only per service. I can get behind that | 18:21 |
| gyee | correct, roles are service-specific anyway | 18:21 |
| atiwari | sorry, if it is confusing | 18:21 |
| ayoung | atiwari, nah, I;m just in too much of a rush and jumping to conclusions | 18:21 |
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| ayoung | OK, action Item, lets get some feedback on that BP | 18:22 |
| gyee | sounds good | 18:22 |
| ayoung | I can take a look after this meeting, atiwari feel free to noodge me | 18:23 |
| gyee | #action need feedback on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/serviceid-binding-with-role-definition | 18:23 |
| atiwari | ok | 18:23 |
| ayoung | #action ayoung to review https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/serviceid-binding-with-role-definition | 18:23 |
| atiwari | great | 18:23 |
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| gyee | ayoung, more more BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/generic-signature-validation | 18:24 |
| ayoung | OK...want to address a point on two patches I have out that are H2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33745/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34254/ are prep for split id. Both are alrage number of lines, but both should be failry trivial patches, as they are moving code around, not rewriting | 18:24 |
| gyee | ayoung, will do that today | 18:25 |
| topol | ayoung, will review them today as well | 18:26 |
| ayoung | assignment backend in particular is nasty in gerrit, as tracking relocations is tough, as jamielennox points out. Feel free to ping me with questions | 18:26 |
| gyee | both changes seem pretty trivial | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: forgot to put my +1 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33745/ my questions were answered | 18:26 |
| ayoung | gyee, that was the goal | 18:26 |
| ayoung | the final stage will be allowing assignments and ID to be separately configurable, which should be easier to understand than trying to mix it in with these patches. | 18:27 |
| ayoung | OK... | 18:27 |
| ayoung | Anything else for H2? | 18:27 |
| gyee | #action code review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34254/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33745/ | 18:27 |
| topol | stevemar, is oauth for H2? | 18:27 |
| ayoung | topol, yes | 18:27 |
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| stevemar | topol, ayoung, yeah - oauth is for h2 | 18:28 |
| ayoung | stevemar, I'd love it if oauth and trusts could use common code for the revocation issues I brought up | 18:28 |
| ayoung | Ideally ,a "trust" would be the same table as "consumer" I think | 18:28 |
| stevemar | ayoung: i need more info on that before i agree to anything | 18:29 |
| stevemar | :) | 18:29 |
| fabioG | I am working on this BP as well: https://etherpad.openstack.org/havana-endpoint-filtering | 18:29 |
| gyee | ayoung, but for oauth, consumer trust is established out-of-band right? | 18:29 |
| ayoung | gyee, not really. It is a separate web call | 18:29 |
| ayoung | but it is inband | 18:29 |
| ayoung | fabioG, good stuff, think you can haveboth ready for H2? | 18:29 |
| fabioG | I think so | 18:30 |
| fabioG | planning to get a review out end of the week | 18:30 |
| fabioG | do I need to already merge the two or I can leave them separate for now? | 18:30 |
| ayoung | fabioG, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/endpoint-filtering is an auth_token middleware change, not a keystone change right? | 18:30 |
| ayoung | middleware does not have to be in for H2 | 18:31 |
| fabioG | no is keystone | 18:31 |
| gyee | ayoung, that's API level change | 18:31 |
| fabioG | there are new APIs to link projects and endpoints | 18:31 |
| fabioG | creating associations used to filter the catalog back | 18:31 |
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| ayoung | fabioG, I would think that the first step is : create a token that lists a single endpoint in its service catalog. Then, on the middleware side, enforce that an token that comes in lists the current service in its catalog | 18:32 |
| ayoung | simpler, and more likely to actually get finished | 18:33 |
| ayoung | On the token creation side, allow adding an endpoint into the request | 18:33 |
| fabioG | ayoung, code is 90% done | 18:33 |
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| ayoung | fabioG, that is no reason to accept a aptch, you realize | 18:34 |
| bknudson | isn't all code always 90% done? | 18:34 |
| fabioG | I know, is that I implemented following the current BP | 18:34 |
| fabioG | specs | 18:34 |
| ayoung | we have to make sure we are not over designing, and I thought this one was pretty clear when we discussed it | 18:34 |
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| ayoung | Now, allong a project/enpoint relationship is a valuable abstraction, but notnecessary for binding a token to an endpoint when enforcing it | 18:35 |
| gyee | ayoung, we discussed it at the summit | 18:35 |
| ayoung | those can be split | 18:35 |
| gyee | pretty much everyone was nodding their head | 18:35 |
| gyee | ayoung, enforcement comes from the client | 18:36 |
| ayoung | gyee, there was also the jaypipes regions thing which was the other way of scoping endpoints | 18:36 |
| ayoung | gyee, yes, enforcement comes from the client, which is not tied to H1 | 18:36 |
| ayoung | H2 | 18:36 |
| gyee | ayoung, no, jaypipes patch deals with endpoint lookup in the reverse order | 18:36 |
| jaypipes | reverse order? | 18:37 |
| gyee | like region->service->endpoint | 18:37 |
| jaypipes | ah, yes... correct. | 18:37 |
| ayoung | gyee, and this is project->service->endpoint | 18:37 |
| fabioG | that is a catalog search | 18:37 |
| jaypipes | with region == some amorphous container. | 18:37 |
| gyee | I am totally fine with that | 18:37 |
| gyee | endpoint-filtering deals with assigning endpoints to tenants and only return those assigned to the scoped tenant | 18:38 |
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| gyee | rather than returning the whole shebang, we only return the ones assigned to the tenant | 18:38 |
| ayoung | #action review https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/endpoint-filtering | 18:38 |
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| ayoung | gyee, OK, so is anyone working enforcement? | 18:39 |
| gyee | ayoung, no need | 18:39 |
| gyee | novaclient will reject the request if I can't get the endpoint from the service catalog | 18:39 |
| ayoung | gyee, auth_token middleware will need to enforce that a token is scoped the the current service | 18:39 |
| gyee | for example | 18:39 |
| ayoung | gyee, we can't count on the clients being run | 18:39 |
| ayoung | OK, that can happen on separate cycle | 18:40 |
| gyee | ayoung, yeah, you are right, we need to pass in the service ID for token validation | 18:40 |
| gyee | ayoung, yeah, I agree | 18:40 |
| ayoung | #action follow up on auth_token middleware enforcing endpoint scoping of tokens | 18:40 |
| ayoung | #topic high priority bugs | 18:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "high priority bugs (Meeting topic: Keystone)" | 18:41 | |
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| ayoung | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bugs?search=Search&field.importance=High&field.status=New&field.status=Incomplete&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=In%20Progress&field.status=Fix%20Committed&orderby=status&start=0 | 18:41 |
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| ayoung | Downgrading the one marked incomplete, as there has been no feedback privded by the reporter, and it has not been seen elsewhere | 18:42 |
| bknudson | ayoung: isn't there a priority above High? Critical | 18:43 |
| ayoung | bknudson, yes, and there is nothing there that has not been tagged Fix released | 18:43 |
| ayoung | bknudson, so the High bugs neeed to be triaged, and post H2, focus will shift to clearing out that list | 18:44 |
| ayoung | #topic Unified Client authentication | 18:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Unified Client authentication (Meeting topic: Keystone)" | 18:45 | |
| ayoung | OK, so this comes from my camp | 18:45 |
| bknudson | this would help everyone | 18:45 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, yes. In addition, we should standardize all clients to using the request library, and getting the SSL configuration solid | 18:45 |
| gyee | +1 | 18:46 |
| bknudson | only question is... what's the status of the openstack client ? | 18:46 |
| topol | stevemar???? | 18:46 |
| ayoung | bknudson, different question | 18:46 |
| bknudson | we're saying we're not going to take new function in keystone. | 18:46 |
| bknudson | are other projects the same? | 18:46 |
| ayoung | this is making all of the current clients use keystoneclient as their auth library | 18:47 |
| bknudson | so maybe we just do openstack client. | 18:47 |
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| bknudson | the python libs? | 18:47 |
| bknudson | ayoung ^ | 18:47 |
| topol | wait I thought openstack client was the unified command client | 18:47 |
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| stevemar | topol: they're talking about unified client auth... i think it's different from what i'm working on | 18:48 |
| topol | didnt we separate the goals | 18:48 |
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| topol | maybe I misunderstood bknudson when he said openstack client.... its what he said.. | 18:49 |
| ayoung | There was a ticket for making all of the clients use the requests library. That was a first step | 18:49 |
| bknudson | topol: one thing the CLIs don't do today is handle --domain for the usernames. | 18:49 |
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| ayoung | BTW, that is what https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34161/ is about | 18:50 |
| ayoung | But hat tis middleware | 18:50 |
| stevemar | bknudson: agreed... | 18:50 |
| bknudson | httplib is part of python standard libs and requests is external? | 18:52 |
| ayoung | The reason that review failed is, I think, requrest and PrettyHTML as a mocking library, OPrttyHTML would need to be added to test-requires | 18:52 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I think so, | 18:53 |
| ayoung | but requests is identified as the Openstack client of choice | 18:53 |
| bknudson | so somebody's using it already? | 18:53 |
| ayoung | bknudson, keystoneclient is | 18:54 |
| ayoung | bknudson, https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/blob/master/requirements.txt | 18:54 |
| bknudson | so some tests were using requests and others httplib... | 18:55 |
| ayoung | One last item for review: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/authentication-tied-to-token | 18:55 |
| bknudson | ok, makes sense | 18:55 |
| ayoung | Since ^^ is an API change, would like to get it blessed | 18:55 |
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| gyee | ayoung, that for m2? | 18:56 |
| bknudson | ayoung: is this going to be required or optional? | 18:56 |
| ayoung | bknudson, optional to start | 18:56 |
| ayoung | bknudson, we are doing a graduated enforcement | 18:56 |
| ayoung | 1. is ignored | 18:56 |
| ayoung | 2 is optional | 18:56 |
| ayoung | 3. is enforce if present | 18:56 |
| ayoung | 4. is required | 18:56 |
| bknudson | at some point, why not just use Kerberos? | 18:57 |
| ayoung | bknudson, because Kerberos doesn't do authorization, just authentication | 18:57 |
| ayoung | and yes I am aware of the extensions to Kerberos to do authZ | 18:58 |
| ayoung | and service tickets | 18:58 |
| gyee | and KDC has to stay up all the time right | 18:58 |
| ayoung | bknudson, this is specifically tying authorization documents to authentication | 18:58 |
| gyee | more dependency | 18:58 |
| bknudson | so client provides a public key and that can get embedded in the token? | 18:59 |
| ayoung | gyee, it can also be done with X509 | 18:59 |
| ayoung | So that decision is left to the deployment | 18:59 |
| gyee | bknudson, yep, that's a possibility | 18:59 |
| ayoung | bknudson, probably the cert finglerprint makes more sense for PKI | 18:59 |
| ayoung | OK...1 minute left | 18:59 |
| ayoung | #topic opendiscussion | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "opendiscussion (Meeting topic: Keystone)" | 18:59 | |
| bknudson | ok, this makes sense. | 19:00 |
| lcheng | ayoung, do you have permission to release a new version of keystoneclient? This is blocking the BP for v3 auth login in horizon. | 19:00 |
| ayoung | lcheng, link? | 19:00 |
| ayoung | lcheng, I don't think I do, think that has to be PTL | 19:00 |
| ayoung | lcheng, ask at the release meeting tonight at 5 | 19:00 |
| ayoung | Easter | 19:00 |
| ayoung | n | 19:00 |
| ayoung | OK, we are over time | 19:01 |
| lcheng | horizon bo: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/login-domain-support | 19:01 |
| lcheng | ayoung, okay. | 19:01 |
| ayoung | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 25 19:01:14 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-06-25-18.06.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-06-25-18.06.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-06-25-18.06.log.html | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 25 19:01:31 2013 UTC. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | agenda: | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 19:01 |
| jeblair | last meeting: | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-06-18-19.02.html | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| jeblair | jeblair start a ml thread about asterisk | 19:02 |
| jeblair | i have failed to do that, which is ridiculous. | 19:02 |
| * ttx lurks for the Neutron rename part | 19:02 | |
| jeblair | #action jeblair start a ml thread about asterisk | 19:02 |
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| jeblair | pleia2, jlk make git.openstack.org exist | 19:03 |
| pleia2 | after fighting with selinux, I have a test instance up here with some basic projects in it, http://15.185.88.233/cgit/ now just working on infrastructure bits | 19:03 |
| pleia2 | right now on a script to parse projects.yaml to generate the git repo configuration | 19:03 |
| jeblair | pleia2: awesome; what kind of selinux changes are needed? | 19:03 |
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| pleia2 | jeblair: sadly simple, I just need to apply the right selinux permissions to the /var/lib/git directory after creating it | 19:04 |
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| jeblair | pleia2: cool, does our version of puppet make that easy? | 19:04 |
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| pleia2 | jeblair: should be fine, even if we make puppet run the bash command | 19:05 |
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| clarkb | I think puppet may have native support for it. I would check in their type reference | 19:05 |
| pleia2 | it's just "restorecon -R -v /var/lib/git/" | 19:05 |
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| pleia2 | clarkb: cool, I'll have a look | 19:05 |
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| fungi | or there might be a boot-time something parsing a run-parts directory where we can stash an selinux config stub for that setting? | 19:06 |
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| clarkb | pleia2: yup there appear to be sel* parameters to the file type | 19:06 |
| fungi | oh, perfect | 19:06 |
| pleia2 | great | 19:06 |
| * mordred loves the new cgit | 19:06 | |
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| jeblair | fungi: it looks like it's not a config setting, but rather the directory needs the appropriate label set | 19:06 |
| fungi | got it | 19:06 |
| pleia2 | it just needs the defaults set | 19:06 |
| jeblair | fungi: more like making sure the directory gets created with the correct perms, or fixing them if not. | 19:06 |
| pleia2 | (not sure why that's not automatic, but selinux) | 19:06 |
| fungi | yeah, so built-in puppet groking it on the file object is ideal | 19:07 |
| mordred | pleia2: the URL loses the containing directory - so doing links might be weird | 19:07 |
| pleia2 | mordred: ah, like the top level "openstack-infra" etc? | 19:07 |
| mordred | yah. e.g: http://15.185.88.233/cgit/ceilometer/ | 19:08 |
| mordred | but in general, it looks quite nice | 19:08 |
| pleia2 | *may* actually be able to alter the url based on section, I'll keep that in mind | 19:08 |
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| jeblair | pleia2: if possible, i think that would be ideal | 19:08 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:08 |
| jeblair | (we should see what gerrit does with that when we tell it to make cgit urls) | 19:09 |
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| mordred | I was just looking at the gitweb link with https://review.openstack.org/gitweb?p=openstack%2Fheat.git;a=commitdiff;h=f63e5ef6db25d23ac8c77425481071ca5b209591 | 19:09 |
| mordred | which has the full openstack/heat embedded in it | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | fungi: and I'll probably grab you when it comes to the actual replication work (getting the git repos over to git.o.o and keeping populated) since you have some experience there :) | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 19:10 |
| fungi | pleia2: sure, it's pretty straightforward | 19:10 |
| fungi | happy to help | 19:10 |
| jeblair | mordred: yeah, i _assume_ that it will do the same thing, but maybe not. | 19:10 |
| mordred | jeblair: :) | 19:10 |
| mordred | assuming anything with gerrit is dangerous | 19:10 |
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| clarkb | s/with gerrit// | 19:11 |
| jeblair | #topic neutron rename | 19:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "neutron rename (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:11 | |
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| jeblair | "markmcclain will come back to us when the code-level rename is done and we're ready to move forward with repo+devstack+devstack-gate rename" | 19:11 |
| jeblair | i assume that hasn't happened yet | 19:11 |
| mordred | I have heard no updates on that topic | 19:11 |
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| jeblair | so unless anyone jumps in, i assume we're in a holding pattern. | 19:12 |
| markmcclain | yep.. no big updates | 19:12 |
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| ttx | jeblair: objections to us asking LPadmins to rename the project in LP ? | 19:12 |
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| markmcclain | I do have 1 question on timing | 19:12 |
| fungi | ttx: if it happens ahead of time, bug updates will need patching | 19:12 |
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| ttx | fungi: I think that's better than continuing to use "Quantum" there | 19:13 |
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| jeblair | ttx, fungi: yeah, i think we can live with patching the bug update script. | 19:13 |
| clarkb | its a small patch too | 19:13 |
| jeblair | markmcclain: ? | 19:13 |
| fungi | yep, just wanting to make sure we remember to do that | 19:13 |
| ttx | changing the project name in LP takes care of a large "attention getting use" of QUantum | 19:13 |
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| jeblair | ttx: do you want to put in that request? | 19:14 |
| markmcclain | jeblair: with H2 in coming up.. what is the ideal day/time to the have outage to rename? (this will kind of dictate our schedule of changes) | 19:14 |
| ttx | jeblair: I can do it, if you don't beat me to it... will do tomorrow though | 19:14 |
| * ttx is a bit struggling with time tonight | 19:15 | |
| jeblair | #action ttx request lp admins rename quantum to neutron (and patch bug script) | 19:15 |
| ttx | ack | 19:15 |
| jeblair | markmcclain: i think we should do the rename outage between a us friday afternoon and sunday evening. | 19:16 |
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| jeblair | markmcclain: it's a short outage, but because it's part of the gate, is likely to impact everything for a while | 19:16 |
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| markmcclain | right.. and I'm guessing the post 4th weekend is out or would that be ideal? | 19:17 |
| clarkb | I will be in another state, but won't be camping or anything so that should work for me | 19:18 |
| clarkb | but other peopel may be enjoying the holiday properly :) | 19:18 |
| jeblair | i think we want to try to get as many core reviewers from other projects around | 19:18 |
| markmcclain | we should be able to run changes for the other projects through before the cut over | 19:19 |
| fungi | i too will be in another state. need to check when my flights are | 19:19 |
| ttx | markmcclain: July 13 is late, June 29 is short, July 6 is a bit after July 4th | 19:19 |
| jeblair | i would be okay with that weekend | 19:19 |
| fungi | as long as i'm not in the air, i should be able to pitch in | 19:20 |
| ttx | I'd rather avoid July 13 and I doubt June 29 is an option... so July 6 sounds good | 19:20 |
| markmcclain | I'll be around the 6th and thought the timing gives plenty of warning to everyone | 19:20 |
| markmcclain | the 29th would be a bit too disruptive given short notice | 19:20 |
| jeblair | okay, that sounds good. | 19:21 |
| ttx | the 13th would affect h2 and be risky | 19:21 |
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| markmcclain | ttx: agreed | 19:21 |
| * mordred adjacent to a wedding on the 6th, fyi, but can help out if we do earlier in the day | 19:21 | |
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| jeblair | 7th is a possibility too. | 19:22 |
| fungi | yeah my flight home is late on the 7th, so i can likely arrange to be in the vicinity of internets for a while on the 6th | 19:22 |
| * markmcclain good any day that weekend | 19:22 | |
| jeblair | mordred: how early? | 19:22 |
| ttx | good any day too | 19:22 |
| mordred | jeblair: don't know - don't have schedule for the weekend yet - just assuming that earlier == less on my plate | 19:22 |
| fungi | anything after 1600z on the 7th is likely to catch me in and out of airports and planes | 19:23 |
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| jeblair | k. well, let's try for the 6th then | 19:23 |
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| jeblair | mordred: oh, and you're in PDT then right? | 19:24 |
| mordred | jeblair: nope. NYC | 19:24 |
| mordred | jeblair: friends here are getting married on the 7th- I'm lighting it | 19:24 |
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| jeblair | what time on the 6th then? 1500 1600 utc? | 19:26 |
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| clarkb | 1600 is better for me but I can probably do 1500 if that helps mordred and fungi | 19:27 |
| mordred | I think those both work for me | 19:27 |
| jeblair | i can send the gerrit outage notice... | 19:27 |
| mordred | I thinkn 1600 would be fine | 19:27 |
| jeblair | is someone keeping track of changes that need to get merged in other projects? | 19:27 |
| markmcclain | jeblair: yes | 19:27 |
| markmcclain | I'll publish a wiki with that info | 19:27 |
| ttx | jeblair: if you need me I can hop around 1600 and then do 1900+ if necessary | 19:27 |
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| jeblair | #action jeblair announce gerrit outage for quantum->neutron rename july 6th 1600 utc | 19:27 |
| jeblair | ttx: awesome, the more the merrier. anything could break. :) | 19:28 |
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| ttx | jeblair: if it's LP don't count on me to patch it | 19:28 |
| jeblair | #action markmcclain publish wiki page with view of changes that need to be merged in other projects | 19:29 |
| jeblair | anything else on this topic? | 19:29 |
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| ttx | we'll raise it again at the release meeting later today. | 19:30 |
| jeblair | ttx: yeah, and we should start letting people there know we'd like to have core reviewers on hand | 19:30 |
| jeblair | #topic Progress on clouddocs-maven-plugin internalization (needs: working jenkins jobs to do releases to maven) | 19:30 |
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| jeblair | someone added that? ^ | 19:31 |
| * ttx afks for a bit | 19:31 | |
| jeblair | annegentle: did! | 19:31 |
| jeblair | annegentle: you around? | 19:31 |
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| jeblair | zaro: ping | 19:31 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I think zaro is on a plane | 19:32 |
| jeblair | oh, i will try my best to summarize | 19:32 |
| clarkb | but, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34023/ should give us the ability to publish to maven repos | 19:32 |
| jeblair | annegentle: zaro has changes in review ... | 19:32 |
| jeblair | yeah that. :) | 19:32 |
| jeblair | annegentle: so i think we're really close to being able to publish some things we already do in gerrit | 19:33 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/34023 | 19:33 |
| jeblair | annegentle: and then it should not be difficult to add the docs plugin after that. | 19:33 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:33 |
| jeblair | annegentle: so we're pretty close, and i personally really like the system -- it will work much like how we release python client libraries | 19:34 |
| jeblair | which i think just about everyone who has used loves | 19:34 |
| mordred | jeblair: when that's in place, should we move the scp plugin in to gerrit too? | 19:34 |
| annegentle | jeblair: oh good. | 19:34 |
| annegentle | zaro: thank you also | 19:34 |
| jeblair | mordred: i want to keep that at arms length. i don't think it's really ours. | 19:34 |
| mordred | ok | 19:35 |
| jeblair | #topic open discussion | 19:35 |
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| jeblair | it is hot in nyc. | 19:35 |
| mordred | it is hot in nyc | 19:35 |
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| fungi | it is pleasant in nc | 19:35 |
| mordred | also, I have arranged for dinner at a place thursday that probably requires pants | 19:35 |
| mordred | sorry about that | 19:35 |
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| clarkb | mordred: their website says the dress code is casual. but I think nyc casual is different than seattle casual | 19:36 |
| annegentle | heh | 19:36 |
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| mordred | honestly, I don't think it'll b ea problem | 19:36 |
| mordred | we're in a private-ish room | 19:36 |
| annegentle | hey so I'm looking at zaro's patch | 19:36 |
| mordred | I also got a good suggestion for a wine place to go after dinner for folks who are in to that - and there's also a bar near my apartment with a moose head on the wall. so I think eveningtime is covered | 19:37 |
| annegentle | and isn't maven-properties.sh used to inject enviro variables for building? We have that already, right? I was looking for progress on building the plugin itself? | 19:37 |
| annegentle | not doc building, doc tools building? Or am I just lost? | 19:38 |
| mordred | annegentle: for doc tools | 19:38 |
| jeblair | annegentle: no that's a new, but similarly named script | 19:38 |
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| annegentle | jeblair: ok, whew | 19:38 |
| jeblair | annegentle: you're thinking of maven-docbook-properties.sh or something like that | 19:38 |
| annegentle | jeblair: too similar for my feeble brain :) | 19:38 |
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| * mordred thinks annegentle's feeble brain holds more information about openstack than his own | 19:39 | |
| jeblair | annegentle: that patch (and those jobs), and the maven-properties.sh script are all about making jenkins jobs that build a war file and then upload it to maven central | 19:39 |
| annegentle | jeblair: woo that was the goal | 19:39 |
| annegentle | jeblair: what's after that patch lands? | 19:39 |
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| jeblair | annegentle: yep. zaro has been able to do a little more that what we thought we could do at the summit | 19:39 |
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| clarkb | next step is slurping the project into gerrit and configurign jenkins and zuul | 19:40 |
| annegentle | clarkb: okay, cool. I'll let David Cramer know. | 19:40 |
| jeblair | annegentle: his system will build the war file with the correct version ir response to a tag, so the workflow should just be to tag the repo with the version, and you don't have to do the complicated commit, tag, commit dance we were talking about. | 19:40 |
| mordred | some people think the tag-based-commit system is crazy. then they use it. then they stop thinking it's crazy. | 19:41 |
| mordred | tag-based-version | 19:41 |
| jeblair | mordred tags repos when he wants a cup of coffee. | 19:41 |
| mordred | if only | 19:41 |
| mordred | tagging is so much less work than getting a cup of coffee | 19:42 |
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| clarkb | you do have to remember the passphrase for your key | 19:42 |
| fungi | so, we're up to 21 attendees registered for the bootcamp, eh? | 19:42 |
| clarkb | and type it in | 19:43 |
| fungi | (deduping clarkb and olaph) | 19:43 |
| clarkb | that is a good number | 19:43 |
| annegentle | wow that's great guys | 19:43 |
| annegentle | I meant to ask, are they all flying in on their company's dollar/dime? | 19:43 |
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| jeblair | annegentle: yes, and only a few of them work for mordred! | 19:44 |
| fungi | i think sdague's just driving in for the day? but in general yes | 19:44 |
| olaph | i know i am | 19:44 |
| jeblair | fungi: train i believe | 19:44 |
| mordred | annegentle: we have at least one person paying their own way | 19:44 |
| fungi | ahh, train waaaay better | 19:44 |
| annegentle | train would be awesome! | 19:45 |
| clarkb | we have a little bit of time here at the end I might as well talk more logstash/elasticsearch | 19:45 |
| jeblair | clarkb: +1 | 19:45 |
| jlk | I would have gone on RAX dime, but I'm set to go camping that weekend, and my wife would be angry :) | 19:45 |
| sdague | fungi: actually, it will be on the train | 19:45 |
| clarkb | we now have a three node elasticsearch cluster. performance is much much much better with that | 19:45 |
| mordred | clarkb: ++ | 19:45 |
| clarkb | I have also added 2 logstash gearman workers so we are up to 5 workers shoving logs into elasticsearch | 19:46 |
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| clarkb | I have also opened things in the reverse proxy on logstash.o.o to allow elasticsearch queries against http://logstash.openstack.org/elasticsearch | 19:46 |
| fungi | so that's 9 total virtual machines dedicated to logstash now, right? | 19:46 |
| clarkb | and finally I have proposed a change to retain 2 weeks instead of 1 week of indexes | 19:47 |
| clarkb | fungi: yup | 19:47 |
| fungi | that's some awesome scaling | 19:47 |
| clarkb | I think I can go up to 3 weeks on the current hardware, but I figure I will gradually increase the backlog so that it doesn't fall over | 19:47 |
| sdague | clarkb: I think 2 weeks should be enough to keep track of gate bugs at least | 19:48 |
| sdague | it's a good starting point for sure | 19:48 |
| sdague | logstash has already been invaluable for figuring out if flakey bugs in the gate have gone away | 19:48 |
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| clarkb | I am now looking forward to other people breaking it so that I can make it even better :) | 19:48 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: are the individual machines sized appropriatly? or are they still at your initial best guess for ram size? | 19:49 |
| clarkb | jeblair: looking at cacti I think the sizes are appropriate. Particularly for the elasticsearch nodes. We want those to be as big as possible beacuse it is a CPU, Memory, and Disk hog | 19:49 |
| mordred | clarkb: have you sent any messages to the -dev list telling people about the system? | 19:49 |
| clarkb | oh and network | 19:49 |
| clarkb | mordred: not yet, I am really hoping that sdague can hit it first | 19:50 |
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| clarkb | his input has already been valuable and I want to avoid a the flood of "please fix this and that and can haz feature xyz | 19:50 |
| clarkb | it is going to happen anyways but getting important ones out of the way first should help | 19:51 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: the worker nodes chew up 2 cpus when busy and can use the 4GB of ram if it is there | 19:51 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: cool | 19:51 |
| mordred | clarkb: kk. cool | 19:51 |
| mordred | clarkb: point mikal at it too. he's great at breaking things | 19:52 |
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| clarkb | will do :) | 19:52 |
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| clarkb | but yeah feel free to use it | 19:54 |
| clarkb | it should be completely open | 19:54 |
| clarkb | and feedback is good | 19:54 |
| fungi | i have absolutely used it to great effect in helping devs hunt down issues with tests | 19:55 |
| fungi | several times already | 19:56 |
| fungi | kudos | 19:56 |
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| jeblair | we seem to have wound down, so thanks everyone! | 19:58 |
| jeblair | i hope to see many of you in a couple of days! | 19:58 |
| pleia2 | thanks jeblair | 19:58 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 19:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 25 19:58:37 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-06-25-19.01.html | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-06-25-19.01.txt | 19:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-06-25-19.01.log.html | 19:58 |
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| russellb | o/ | 20:00 |
| ttx | Who is around for the TC meeting ? | 20:00 |
| markwash | o/ | 20:00 |
| mikal | Hi | 20:00 |
| shardy | o/ | 20:00 |
| jd__ | o/ | 20:00 |
| kiall | Hiya | 20:00 |
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| ttx | jcannava, annegentle, jgriffith, gabrielhurley: around ? | 20:01 |
| gabrielhurley | \o | 20:01 |
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| ttx | yeah, almost full house | 20:02 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 25 20:02:05 2013 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
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| ttx | Agenda for today is at: | 20:02 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee | 20:02 |
| ttx | #topic Incubation request for Designate: final discussion and vote | 20:02 |
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| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2013-June/000266.html | 20:02 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate_Incubation_Application | 20:02 |
| ttx | There wasn't a lot of discussion this week on the ML... | 20:02 |
| ttx | I don't know if that means we are all fine with voting or we should wait another week :) | 20:03 |
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| ttx | kiall: around ? | 20:03 |
| kiall | ttx: hiya | 20:03 |
| * jd__ fine with voting | 20:03 | |
| ttx | The main concern raised last week was, I think, general adoption. | 20:03 |
| * mordred hasn't received any bribe money from kiall yet | 20:03 | |
| ttx | On one hand it's a chicken-and-egg problem... but on the other you want to see potential alignment before blessing a candidate | 20:04 |
| ttx | because like mordred said, these projects sit in places where they can either help or kill interop | 20:04 |
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| ttx | The fact that the project relies on very few people was also noted as a bit concerning | 20:04 |
| ttx | Like kiall did 87% of the commits! And only 4 people did more than 1 commit. | 20:04 |
| * CaptTofu_ o | 20:05 | |
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| ttx | is that a risk ? do we care ? | 20:05 |
| russellb | i think it is | 20:05 |
| * markmc cares | 20:05 | |
| * gabrielhurley cares | 20:05 | |
| * mordred cares | 20:05 | |
| * shardy cares | 20:05 | |
| ttx | do we care for incubation, or only for graduation ? | 20:05 |
| mikal | Isn't incubation about giving a chance to address those concerns? | 20:05 |
| kiall | ttx: yea, I agree there are merits to both a yes / no .. Obviously we think a yes vote will significantly help with adoption.. | 20:05 |
| * mordred would say for graduation | 20:05 | |
| russellb | incubation, i'm afraid, personally | 20:05 |
| mordred | what mikal said | 20:05 |
| * markmc cares for incubation | 20:05 | |
| mordred | as in, I'd like to make specific statements about outcomes expected for graduation | 20:06 |
| jd__ | caring for incubation remove a bit of usefulness from incubation IMHO | 20:06 |
| russellb | not a "no, never", but like ... "build a bit more and come back" | 20:06 |
| jgriffith | mordred: +1 | 20:06 |
| kiall | mordred: +1 from us on that | 20:06 |
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| jgriffith | jd__: how do you mean? | 20:06 |
| mordred | jd__: ++ | 20:06 |
| markmc | I think incubation is great to help grow a community to critical mass | 20:06 |
| jgriffith | markmc: +1 | 20:07 |
| markmc | but there should be more than one just one person working on a project before incubation | 20:07 |
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| mordred | I thnkn we saw that with heat - it was very redhat-centric, then grew more people in incubation | 20:07 |
| jgriffith | markmc: I don't know if I agree with that part necessarily :) | 20:07 |
| jd__ | jgriffith: if you care of such things for incubation, you're setting the bar almost the same for incubation and graduation, at least on that point which is a downside for me | 20:07 |
| russellb | mordred: but several people | 20:07 |
| jgriffith | jd__: ahh... got ya thanks | 20:07 |
| ttx | the bus factor is a bit of a concern to me | 20:07 |
| markmc | mordred, heat had several leaders, not even just contributor | 20:07 |
| jgriffith | cinder was '1' for a good bit | 20:07 |
| kiall | Yea, I've heard from more than a few people that incubation is a requirement to starting to make use of the project. | 20:07 |
| shardy | markmc: +1, although tbh heat has only really seen a significant increase in community participation since graduating from incubation... | 20:07 |
| annegentle | I'm with markmc, that incubation should help people get more participants | 20:08 |
| jd__ | ttx: I'm ok for the bus factor for graduation, but for incubation… | 20:08 |
| ttx | jgriffith: it piggy-backed on nova's team though | 20:08 |
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| jgriffith | ttx: sure, but... if it goes incubation that's the point right? | 20:08 |
| CaptTofu_ | we certainly need more people using the project | 20:08 |
| jgriffith | ttx: see if it can stand on it's own or not | 20:08 |
| mordred | kiall: there's multiple people working on designate at HP - why aren't we seeing a wider pool of commits from folks who aren't you? | 20:08 |
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| ttx | annegentle: actually I think you're with mordred :) | 20:08 |
| russellb | only 1 dev may also be a sign that the scope is too small and should be reconsidered | 20:09 |
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| kiall | mordred: so far, we've been focused on getting things going for HP Cloud DNS. (Due to go GA next week) | 20:09 |
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| markmc | ttx, oh, yes - on voting, can we have a voting category that distinguishes between "no, not ever" and "no, but we'd like to see you next cycle" | 20:09 |
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| russellb | markmc: good point. | 20:10 |
| ttx | sure. Both would count as "no" though :) | 20:10 |
| markmc | ok, fair | 20:10 |
| kiall | I've focused on Moniker itself, while others have figured out how to make it a production ready service. Once we get our GA out of the way, I expect you'll see more commits from HP people | 20:10 |
| markmcclain | markmc: options for essentially a −1 and −2? | 20:10 |
| jgriffith | ttx: but one's a *nice* no :) | 20:10 |
| markmc | I guess no-one is really saying "no, not ever" anyway | 20:10 |
| ttx | markmc: exactly | 20:10 |
| ttx | So I think that's the main concern raised | 20:11 |
| ttx | Last week annegentle raised she wanted more details on future feature vision, and also a doc plan | 20:11 |
| annegentle | ttx: most just wanted matching wiki pages to what was stated here | 20:11 |
| kiall | annegentle: so, we haven't managed to find the time this week to update the wiki pages. But, is is on our todo lists. | 20:12 |
| annegentle | kiall: and a doc plan can be just stating in the wiki page what docs are high priority/necessary (API docs, deployer docs) | 20:12 |
| markwash | ttx: I've also heard grumbling about a lack of docs | 20:12 |
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| gabrielhurley | that was me | 20:12 |
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| markwash | gabrielhurley: quiet you | 20:13 |
| gabrielhurley | :-( | 20:13 |
| * annegentle thanks gabrielhurley | 20:13 | |
| ttx | I'm starting to think this could mature a bit without starting to tap into incubation resources like release management alignment yet | 20:13 |
| annegentle | grumble away dood | 20:13 |
| jgriffith | ttx: think I'm agreeing with you | 20:13 |
| russellb | ttx: yes, feels like more traction is needed ... | 20:13 |
| annegentle | here's my sense... kiall's a good sport but others are wanting him to do their lifting? | 20:14 |
| ttx | (part of that thinking is my own laziness in adding more than two projects per cycle, though, so feel free to ignore me) | 20:14 |
| jd__ | haha | 20:14 |
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| jgriffith | ttx: there's additional overhead in gating, CI, docs etc etc | 20:14 |
| kiall | so, one of the things we're really looking to get from incubation is tracation, I've had conversions with a good few people who are interested in helping, but won't until it's incubated. | 20:14 |
| kiall | Catch-22. | 20:14 |
| russellb | kiall: why? | 20:15 |
| russellb | that doesn't really make sense to me | 20:15 |
| jgriffith | that's lame | 20:15 |
| ttx | jokig aside, it takes time and I'm not sure we can handle more than 3 additions on the same cycle | 20:15 |
| russellb | jgriffith: +1 :) | 20:15 |
| kiall | russellb: so, for the most part, they are waiting for a blessed solution. | 20:15 |
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| jgriffith | kiall: maybe they're not going to be the best team to have.... just sayin | 20:15 |
| kiall | And are not willing to commit time+resources to something they might have to replace in 6months when something else comes in. | 20:15 |
| mordred | and I think by blessed, they're looking for openstack to say it wants one of these at all - I've heard that as well | 20:15 |
| kiall | jgriffith: maybe :) | 20:16 |
| shardy | kiall: getting community participation is a really slow process unfortunately.. | 20:16 |
| jgriffith | kiall: that's a reasonable point | 20:16 |
| annegentle | mordred: so you have a compelling want for this feature, how would you say you get it? Incubation only? Or put it under something already "blessed" | 20:16 |
| markmc | mordred, ok, well maybe the voting distinction counts then | 20:16 |
| ttx | hmm, so the problem is that incubation is about maturity and our capacity to welcome and integrate more projects... but externally it's seen as a blessing necessary to grow a community | 20:16 |
| markmc | mordred, i.e. the TC saying "yes, we want one of those, but not ready to incubate designate" vs "no, we don't want one of these" | 20:16 |
| mordred | annegentle: I know that a cloud without a dns api is useless | 20:17 |
| ttx | we could make a statement that "we want a project like that" | 20:17 |
| annegentle | I think in the past to get what we want feature-wise we sometimes put it under another umbrella? | 20:17 |
| mordred | annegentle: and I konw that right now we have two main public clouds with divergent dns apis | 20:17 |
| mordred | because there is not an openstack api | 20:17 |
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| markwash | borrowing from the next discussion, I feel like I want to bless the mission of designate as a way of driving traction, without really blessing the project (for the reasons others have noted) | 20:17 |
| mikal | I think if we make a statement we should support people growing designate | 20:17 |
| mordred | I think that is a current failure of openstack | 20:17 |
| mikal | Let's not encourage another implementation | 20:17 |
| annegentle | mordred: so we want the api but don't like a particular implementation well enough to strongly encourage and invite incubation? | 20:17 |
| markmcclain | can we just charter a working group of sorts? | 20:18 |
| jd__ | mordred: +1 | 20:18 |
| mordred | I'd totally vote yes for designate today | 20:18 |
| gabrielhurley | it's not even the implementation per se, but that the project itself stil lfeels immature by several metrics | 20:18 |
| mordred | I think there are problems, and I will not vote yes to graduation until they are sorted | 20:18 |
| mordred | but, I mean, trove doesn't even use keystoneclient | 20:18 |
| annegentle | gabrielhurley: yeah I feel that discomfort level too | 20:18 |
| mordred | things have problems | 20:18 |
| markwash | mordred: :-) | 20:18 |
| jd__ | mordred: there's too many things not using ksclient :) | 20:18 |
| ttx | so.. we could have two steps in incubation. | 20:19 |
| russellb | not using keystoneclient: wat | 20:19 |
| ttx | one is a low cost blessing | 20:19 |
| gabrielhurley | to be frank, I think the community drive for "we want a project like that" has been lowering the bar for incubation over the past three cycles. not that we've been bitten by it yet, but we're accepting less mature projects every time to try and keep up with what people want from their cloud. | 20:19 |
| ttx | the second one starts to trigger costly resources | 20:19 |
| jgriffith | mordred: but trove has 25 active contributors.... and they're not out of incubation *yet* | 20:19 |
| mordred | I mean, the word incubation itself implies growing and nurturing something until it's ready | 20:19 |
| jgriffith | mordred: as far as the keystone part | 20:19 |
| ttx | with the first one you get blessing for a given project + time at summit | 20:19 |
| mordred | jgriffith: sure! | 20:19 |
| ttx | without impacting the rest of the project too much | 20:19 |
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| jd__ | gabrielhurley: isn't incubation about maturation exactly? | 20:20 |
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| gabrielhurley | jd__: yes it is, but we don't incubate everyone that comes along. | 20:20 |
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| jgriffith | jd__: that was my intial argument, but I suppose there should be some level of interest that's evident | 20:20 |
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| jgriffith | by interest I mean active participation | 20:20 |
| gabrielhurley | yep | 20:20 |
| gabrielhurley | If kiall says that in another couple weeks there should be a big uptick in participation at HP then I'd like to wait and see that | 20:21 |
| jd__ | the things to keep on mind is that incubation doesn't mean graduation for the next cycle; we could have incubated things for several cycles | 20:21 |
| gabrielhurley | I wanna see what happens when there are 5 or 10 people actively working on Designate | 20:21 |
| jgriffith | jd__: or dropped later for that matter | 20:21 |
| gabrielhurley | jd__: in theory yes, but I've yet to see that happen | 20:21 |
| jd__ | setting the bar too high for incubation doesn't sound right to me :( | 20:21 |
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| jd__ | gabrielhurley: I'm pretty confident in our capacity to delay graduation | 20:22 |
| kiall | jd__: yea, I think that's a good point | 20:22 |
| ttx | jd__: but incubation has some cost, it's not just a label. We have to grow them into a real project and that takes qa/ci/relmgt work | 20:22 |
| annegentle | I think generally incubation really is about nurturing a project and helping find good fits | 20:22 |
| kiall | incubation can be > 1 cycle. | 20:22 |
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| ttx | kiall: yes, that's what I hinted towards with the 2 stages in incubation | 20:22 |
| jd__ | ttx: then remove (part of) that burden from the incubation status? | 20:22 |
| annegentle | ttx: I do think we need to communicate that things can stay in incubation for a while | 20:22 |
| jgriffith | This brings up the ugliness of project versus program again IMO | 20:22 |
| kiall | ttx: ah, okay. re-reading with that context.. | 20:22 |
| ttx | I'll repeat | 20:23 |
| gabrielhurley | I would certainly vote for "we want a service *like* this" to signal the community to go get involved, but at the moment I'm hestitant to vote for incubation | 20:23 |
| mordred | I thnk that's waht I Was getting at with a clear set of graduation reuqirements | 20:23 |
| ttx | we could have a step in the incubation when we start tapping into other groups for help | 20:23 |
| mordred | like, you can stay in incubation for 5 cycles for all I care until you have met those requirements | 20:23 |
| simonmcc | gabrielhurley: doesn't that suggest "like this, but not this" | 20:23 |
| jd__ | mordred: totally | 20:23 |
| gabrielhurley | it's the resource allocation that's problematic at that point | 20:23 |
| markmc | there's got to be some bar for incubation | 20:24 |
| ttx | mordred: incubated projects are tapping into project resources though, so you should care | 20:24 |
| gabrielhurley | simonmcc: nope, "like this, could be this if this continues to grow and improve" | 20:24 |
| markmc | it doesn't need to be high | 20:24 |
| jd__ | incubation could be a minimal of mv stackforge/project openstack/ and try to release on time and we'll judge you on that | 20:24 |
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| markmc | but >1 active contributor is not much to ask | 20:24 |
| gabrielhurley | yeah, I am *really* concerned about the lack of devs | 20:24 |
| jd__ | ttx: can't we get more resources otherwise? :) | 20:25 |
| mordred | markmc: I think that's a fair ask, honestly | 20:25 |
| annegentle | docs are not too much to ask either | 20:25 |
| markmcclain | annegentle: +1 | 20:25 |
| gabrielhurley | I don't think we've *ever* accepted a project with that few (except Cinder which was split from Nova as a special case) | 20:25 |
| markmc | cinder clearly had tonnes of contributors | 20:25 |
| ttx | if the project needs to be incubated to grow to 2 active devs, then there is a critical mass problem at the end of the day anyway | 20:25 |
| mordred | even hacking has 3 active devs :) | 20:25 |
| markmc | while it was part of nova | 20:25 |
| jgriffith | Yeah, Cinder did have tons of help | 20:25 |
| ttx | so.. should we have some "promising technology" label to help those projects off the initial catch-22 ? | 20:26 |
| jd__ | mordred: nitpicking is more attractive than DNS, tell me about it | 20:26 |
| CaptTofu_ | a lot of it is that the project "Just Works" | 20:26 |
| * ttx is reluctant to bastardize incubation by making it two-step) | 20:26 | |
| jgriffith | like redhat's old "up and coming" or whatever it was called | 20:26 |
| gabrielhurley | I hate to say it, but there's also a huge political aspect to every project in OpenStack... we mostly work for companies with huge budgets... if nobody's willing to devote a dev or two to a project then that's worrisome to me. Usually the multi-billion dollar corporations are happy to have controlling influence over a new project. | 20:26 |
| ttx | Emerging Tech | 20:26 |
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| jd__ | ttx: too complicated | 20:27 |
| mordred | CaptTofu_: also makes a good point - kiall wrote a lot of designate a while ago and as I understand it, it's been working for its users, so there hasn't been a lot of pressing dev need | 20:27 |
| jgriffith | I think if it went to a vote today it would be a no | 20:27 |
| CaptTofu_ | gabrielhurley: I can say as the tech lead, that we give Kiall complete independence | 20:27 |
| gabrielhurley | If DNS were a solved problem we'd all just be using Designate already | 20:28 |
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| CaptTofu_ | give it a try. | 20:28 |
| gabrielhurley | so I don't buy the "it doesn't need more devs" argument | 20:28 |
| mordred | CaptTofu_: I thnk the problem is that you're only pointing kiall at the upstream repos though | 20:28 |
| markmc | CaptTofu_, uh, the tech lead of what? isn't kiall PTL? | 20:28 |
| annegentle | I still can't help but think, if dns already lived under nova, then we would treat it like we did cinder with recruiting jgriffith | 20:28 |
| gabrielhurley | CaptTofu_: I have ;-) | 20:28 |
| CaptTofu_ | I'm not saying it doesn't need more devs | 20:28 |
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| ttx | I'd like us to find a way to help them grow, but I'd like them to be a community before they are considered part of openstack | 20:28 |
| annegentle | (I say we but I don't really know who did that exactly) | 20:28 |
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| CaptTofu_ | markmc: of DNSaaS itself | 20:28 |
| mordred | and that this week the team could not find the time to respond to annegentle's request from last week | 20:28 |
| kiall | markmc: Of the HP DNS Team | 20:28 |
| jgriffith | annegentle: :) secret secret | 20:28 |
| annegentle | jgriffith: hee | 20:28 |
| gabrielhurley | lol | 20:28 |
| ttx | mordred: tbh I don't think we can afford one-person projects within openstack, even if they are mature. | 20:29 |
| mordred | ttx: yeah. fair. | 20:29 |
| jgriffith | ttx: +1 | 20:29 |
| ttx | mordred: that sounds way too brittle for our global/virtual setup | 20:29 |
| russellb | that's why i was saying it could just be a scope issue, if it's actually mature (though i'm not sure it is) | 20:29 |
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| ttx | mordred: that said I'd like to help them solve the catch-22 and reach critical mass. | 20:30 |
| russellb | but some time is needed to work that out so that it's a sustainable project and community | 20:30 |
| mikal | Could we give designate a room at the next summit for a morning and see how many people show up? | 20:30 |
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| gabrielhurley | there's tons of places Designate can be improved: API enhancements, DOCS!, Internationalization, etc. Even if the underlying DNSaaS code was perfect it could still use 3 or 4 more people who understand the code deeply and are willing to devote time to it. | 20:30 |
| gabrielhurley | mikal: +1 | 20:30 |
| ttx | mikal: that's why I suggested a "promising tech" label and give them design summit time | 20:30 |
| gabrielhurley | though it's in Hong Kong, so "just showing up" is tricky. ;-) | 20:30 |
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| markmcclain | mikal: +1 | 20:30 |
| annegentle | what I can't believe is one person (kiall) was willing to stand up and be the one :) | 20:31 |
| simonmcc | mikal: we (designate) hosted a talk in Portland, there was a significant turnout | 20:31 |
| notmyname | mikal: a popularity vote based on who can fly to HK? | 20:31 |
| russellb | simonmcc: who is "we"? | 20:31 |
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| russellb | when only 1 person is working on it from an upstream perspective? | 20:31 |
| russellb | how can it be "we" ? | 20:31 |
| mikal | simonmcc: not a conf talk, a design summit session | 20:31 |
| ttx | russellb: that was a conf talk | 20:31 |
| mikal | notmyname: such is life I guess... | 20:32 |
| russellb | ttx: k.. | 20:32 |
| simonmcc | russellb: HP's DNSaaS team, which I'm part of, I've been working on the deployment & supporting tools | 20:32 |
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| russellb | what are the supporting tools? | 20:32 |
| russellb | and are they part of designate? | 20:32 |
| russellb | :) | 20:32 |
| jgriffith | simonmcc: internal consumption tools for HP, or for the project? | 20:32 |
| simonmcc | russellb: my stuff appears out side the designate repo mostly, but is in our gh | 20:32 |
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| simonmcc | jgriffith: for the project, nearly everything is up on our GH | 20:33 |
| jgriffith | simonmcc: link? | 20:33 |
| russellb | perhaps folding more in could help gain more critical mass? | 20:33 |
| CaptTofu_ | my role is tech lead (the guy who goes to meetings so Kiall and Simon can code) and Database guy who worked on the db cluster setup that I'm glad to contribute however much back. | 20:33 |
| russellb | CaptTofu_: so, HP roles are totally irrelevant here | 20:33 |
| CaptTofu_ | I know that. | 20:34 |
| simonmcc | jgriffith: https://github.com/moniker-dns/ & https://github.com/simonmcc/stack-kicker | 20:34 |
| shardy | how do you even maintain a community with only one reviewer who really knows the code? | 20:34 |
| ttx | so options at this point include: 1. vote yes/no and see how many people view incubation as an early or a late process, 2. create a separate label for helping promising projects off the initial community step | 20:34 |
| markwash | anybody from rackspace cloud dns have a perspective on designate? /me is worried about managing divisiveness and unification | 20:34 |
| jgriffith | simonmcc: thx | 20:34 |
| ttx | any other way forward ? | 20:34 |
| * markwash shoudl have brought that up on the ml :-( | 20:34 | |
| CaptTofu_ | markwash: they are interested in designate per openstack in Portland | 20:34 |
| shardy | when the community starts growing, reviews, not contributors become the big problem IME | 20:34 |
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| ttx | 3. wait another week and discuss that again | 20:35 |
| mordred | it seems like the consensus in the channel is that we want to see more people involved | 20:35 |
| markmc | ttx, I don't see the need for 2. | 20:35 |
| mordred | in the code | 20:35 |
| mordred | I agree with markmc | 20:35 |
| jgriffith | ttx: I don't think a week would cut it IMO to be honest | 20:35 |
| markmc | it's clearly obvious the TC wants a project like this and hopes designate will grow to be it | 20:35 |
| russellb | mordred: yep | 20:35 |
| mordred | markmc: ++ | 20:35 |
| markmc | and what will change in a week? | 20:35 |
| markwash | markmc: +1 | 20:35 |
| markmc | so, 1. for me | 20:35 |
| russellb | yeah, might as well vote to make it clear | 20:35 |
| ekarlso | ello | 20:36 |
| russellb | and then based on the outcome, can discuss next steps | 20:36 |
| ttx | mordred: markmc: well, kiall says people don't participate because of the missing blessing | 20:36 |
| mordred | ttx: I know. I mean, I'm still voting the way I'm voting - but I hear what people are saying | 20:36 |
| markmc | ttx, we're blessing the mission of designate | 20:36 |
| ekarlso | kiall isn't alone for moniker fyi | 20:36 |
| jgriffith | I'd say after H2 | 20:36 |
| markmc | ttx, IMHO, we don't need to invent a new label to make that anymore clear | 20:36 |
| ttx | markmc: label would grant some time at design summit | 20:37 |
| ttx | and they could brag about it | 20:37 |
| ttx | that's low cost..; if that helps them... | 20:37 |
| kiall | ttx: I believe it could. | 20:37 |
| markmc | we're getting labelitis :) | 20:37 |
| annegentle | as the TC are we supposed to evaluate on technical merits more? | 20:38 |
| * ttx is a catgorization freak, you should know that by now | 20:38 | |
| mordred | I think it would be well withing rights for kiall to say to people "the TC liked us, but needs us to have more contributors" | 20:38 |
| markmc | ttx, I do :) | 20:38 |
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| mordred | based on this scrollback | 20:38 |
| markmc | mordred, absolutely | 20:38 |
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| mordred | I don't think we need to make a label for him to be able to do that | 20:38 |
| russellb | +1 | 20:38 |
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| mordred | I will happily tweet that if it helps :) | 20:39 |
| jd__ | 👍 | 20:39 |
| annegentle | "they like us they really really like us" | 20:39 |
| jgriffith | annegentle: haaha!! | 20:39 |
| ttx | mordred: fair enough. And there is no point in giving design summit time if there is no more than 1-2 people involved | 20:39 |
| kiall | annegentle: lol | 20:39 |
| ttx | they can grab a table and get going. | 20:39 |
| annegentle | kiall: happy to tweet that :) | 20:39 |
| mordred | do we have any sense of a threshold kiall should shoot for before coming back? | 20:39 |
| annegentle | API docs? | 20:40 |
| russellb | he said more people from HP should be getting involved in a couple weeks | 20:40 |
| russellb | so after that has settled in and made some impact | 20:40 |
| jgriffith | russellb: ummm... and then they all go back to what they're doing currently :) | 20:41 |
| markmc | I'd look for a handful of active contributors and a plausible alternate PTL | 20:41 |
| russellb | jgriffith: heh | 20:41 |
| ttx | does anyone still want to vote, or does "not yet, but we like the idea very much, thank you" work for everyone ? | 20:41 |
| jgriffith | ttx: No thanks | 20:41 |
| mordred | fine not voting | 20:41 |
| simonmcc | annegentle: I'll happily take on the API docs in the next few weeks | 20:41 |
| annegentle | ttx: I'm fine not voting | 20:41 |
| markmcclain | ttx: fine not voting | 20:41 |
| mordred | can we vote on voting? | 20:42 |
| notmyname | but a vote on record would be nice to have for records | 20:42 |
| jd__ | mordred: raaah I was about to said that :( | 20:42 |
| * ttx slaps mordred with a trout | 20:42 | |
| annegentle | simonmcc: excellent. I had been asking at Rackspace for them to donate their API docs months ago, I can ask more if you'd want them as a starting point? | 20:42 |
| jd__ | can we vote on the trout then? | 20:42 |
| gabrielhurley | simonmcc: API docs and much more in terms of documenting sane/best-practice configurations for the various backends. Pros/cons would be lovely. | 20:42 |
| simonmcc | annegentle: please, that would be useful | 20:42 |
| mordred | annegentle: also - if you could nudge people at rackspace to start working on designate ... that would probably go a long way | 20:42 |
| simonmcc | gabrielhurley: bp & config - understood | 20:43 |
| mordred | annegentle: because I know you have that power | 20:43 |
| notmyname | I think we should vote on incubation (yes/no) and add a "signing statement" to the resulting no | 20:43 |
| * markmc fine with not voting too | 20:43 | |
| ttx | notmyname: we can post an #agree for the logs. | 20:43 |
| notmyname | ttx: ok | 20:43 |
| notmyname | ttx: works for me | 20:43 |
| markmc | #agree not yet, but we like the idea very much, thank you | 20:43 |
| ttx | unless the position is not unanimous, that is | 20:43 |
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| mordred | I have heard no dissent to this course of action | 20:43 |
| * ttx repeats as many #agree is limited to mod | 20:43 | |
| CaptTofu_ | mordred: I'll talk to their PM | 20:43 |
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| ttx | maybe* | 20:43 |
| markmc | ttx, oh, you don't mean we all do #agree | 20:43 |
| * markmc got confused | 20:43 | |
| ttx | I think #agree is just noted on the log | 20:44 |
| russellb | #vote #agree | 20:44 |
| markmc | #agree #vote | 20:44 |
| ttx | actually it's #agreed. | 20:44 |
| markmc | #yes #vote is #agreed | 20:44 |
| markwash | #cool | 20:44 |
| ttx | #agreed not yet, but we like the idea very much, thank you | 20:45 |
| ttx | ^let me know if anyone thinks otherwise and would like a vote instead. | 20:45 |
| ttx | otherwise we'll move to next topic | 20:45 |
| gabrielhurley | #agreed | 20:45 |
| russellb | #+1 | 20:45 |
| markmc | #hugs | 20:46 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion: Programs | 20:46 |
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| jd__ | #trout | 20:46 |
| ttx | I started the discussion (based on mordred's idea) on openstack-dev at: | 20:46 |
| jgriffith | #beer | 20:46 |
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| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-June/010821.html | 20:46 |
| * markmc likes the focus on programs' mission statements | 20:46 | |
| ttx | I think the base idea is a bit of a no-brainer, there are just a few details to flesh out before we roll | 20:46 |
| markmc | nice idea | 20:46 |
| annegentle | good idea mordred | 20:46 |
| ttx | At this point I'm ready to draft a motion that describes what a program is, explains how to add one and officializes the first batch of them (Oslo, Infrastructure, Docs, QA) | 20:46 |
| mordred | ttx: excellent email, excellent write up, and I thnk it's not too new - it's just a codifidation of sort of what we've been doing anyway | 20:46 |
| mordred | ttx: ++ | 20:47 |
| ttx | and we can roll and adapt | 20:47 |
| ttx | There is a bit of a grey area about where release management / stable branch management / vulnerability management could fit but I guess we can clear that out after the first batch. | 20:47 |
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| mordred | ttx: I think that's a good follow on thing, yeah | 20:47 |
| ttx | In practice that first batch won't change anything for those teams... except maybe having to designate some PTL/Lead/Ambassador/Coordinator. | 20:47 |
| mordred | I think we all already have one | 20:47 |
| mordred | :) | 20:47 |
| ttx | btw do you think we should enforce that ? I.e. include the "programs" in the Fall 2013 PTL elections round ? | 20:47 |
| mikal | ttx: I think that would be a good idea | 20:47 |
| mikal | It feels more "open" | 20:48 |
| ttx | mikal: +1 | 20:48 |
| ttx | Should we run formal elections to designate the current lead ? or let the programs communicate their "natural" lead without necessarily formally organizing elections, in the same way we do initial PTLs sometimes? | 20:48 |
| markmc | ttx, whether programs can release official stuff to users separately from "the integrated release", or whether the release should bring together everything is I think what I'm talking about in the thread | 20:48 |
| mikal | ttx: I think the current natural leads are fine | 20:48 |
| mordred | ttx: infra did an election already I believe, and have been running the core team like a core team | 20:48 |
| jgriffith | ttx: Id' vote for current/interim until next election cycle | 20:48 |
| annegentle | ttx: elections done the same way PTLs are where you only vote if you have a patch in a designated repo? | 20:48 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:48 |
| markmc | where there's a natural PTL, the election is unlikely to be contested | 20:49 |
| markmc | which makes it a pretty cheap checkpoint process | 20:49 |
| mikal | markmc: true | 20:49 |
| ttx | markmc: yeah, I think that's something we can handle as we go (what's the "product" and how that plays with programs | 20:49 |
| ttx | Should we have a "release" program in the first batch ? | 20:49 |
| mordred | honestly - I think a lot of this is going to be a roll-with-the-punches and not get too hidebound for the first while | 20:49 |
| ttx | with relmgmt / stable maint / VMT lumped in it ? | 20:50 |
| markmc | ttx, release program is a bit more meta than the others, I think | 20:50 |
| ttx | I'm fine with excluding it from first batch | 20:50 |
| mordred | yeah. I'm lukewarm on that - I'm not opposed, but it also seems maybe like everything-is-a-nail with this nice hammer | 20:50 |
| markmc | there's a healthy stable-maint team, any reason to lump it into something else? | 20:50 |
| * markwash had to look up "hidebound" | 20:51 | |
| annegentle | ttx: mordred: I'm up for trying and re-envisioning as we go, but I worry about communicating clearly the scope for released docs... | 20:51 |
| mordred | annegentle: let's brainstorm about it some over the next week | 20:51 |
| ttx | not convinced those horizontal efforts really need to be a "program". I'd just like them to be /somewhere/ | 20:51 |
| mordred | ttx: ++ | 20:51 |
| ttx | because those are strategic contributions we want to encourage | 20:51 |
| ttx | as I'll die some day | 20:52 |
| mordred | NO | 20:52 |
| russellb | unacceptable | 20:52 |
| mordred | you are CLEARLY not allowed to do that | 20:52 |
| annegentle | mordred: sure. | 20:52 |
| mordred | #startvote should ttx be allowed to die | 20:52 |
| jgriffith | NEVER | 20:52 |
| openstack | Only the meeting chair may start a vote. | 20:52 |
| mordred | DAMMIT | 20:52 |
| ttx | :P | 20:52 |
| markwash | #vote abstain | 20:52 |
| markmc | ttx, release team, vuln-mgmt team, stable-maint team ... seems to work fine so far | 20:52 |
| ttx | markwash: lol | 20:52 |
| annegentle | #vote godforbid | 20:52 |
| markwash | :-) | 20:52 |
| annegentle | somebody had to godforbid that | 20:52 |
| ttx | ok, so I'll draft seomthing so that the basic idea of a program is described, and the first batch as mentioned above | 20:53 |
| mordred | as a related topic - sdague sent a note to the list this week about heat+diskimage-builder and the gate | 20:53 |
| markwash | I have to admit, beyond the "this just makes sense" level, I'm really fascinated by programs specifically for the horizontal effort use case | 20:53 |
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| ttx | and we'll vote on that next week after the traditional baking on -dev | 20:53 |
| mordred | does anyone have any objection with moving diskimage-builder into the openstack/ org before we formally approve programs and tripleo? | 20:53 |
| markwash | b/c I desperately want to work on horizontal concerns | 20:53 |
| notmyname | has the idea of just generally having "programs" been covered in the ML discussion? | 20:53 |
| markwash | and have discussions in those kinds of contexts | 20:53 |
| ttx | notmyname: you mean, make everything a program ? | 20:54 |
| mordred | notmyname: ttx has been suggesting some iterations around that | 20:54 |
| markmc | mordred, will diskimage-builder be a release deliverable? when? havana? or ... ? | 20:54 |
| notmyname | ttx: ya | 20:54 |
| markmc | mordred, where ttx was getting to in the thread was that openstack/ would be for release deliverables | 20:54 |
| ttx | notmyname: yes, kind of. one difference is that programs don't really need incubation though. | 20:54 |
| mordred | markmc: unclear. I thnk the immediate concern is that it's wanting ot be used in the gate | 20:54 |
| markmc | mordred, yeah, I buy that totally | 20:55 |
| ttx | notmyname: since their potential in ruining the life of other projects is so much smaller | 20:55 |
| mordred | markmc: we were discussing in -infra earlier the opposite - that we'd sort of like to kill openstack-dev/ and just put everything in openstack/ | 20:55 |
| notmyname | ttx: hmm..ok. I'll ponder this | 20:55 |
| ttx | notmyname: the thread will live for another week, anyway | 20:55 |
| markmc | mordred, ah, well ... that's the opposite of what ttx was saying | 20:55 |
| mordred | markmc: yup. | 20:55 |
| mordred | so rigt now, things that are used in the gate but are not deliverables are in openstack-infra/ or openstack-dev/ | 20:56 |
| ttx | markmc: i can pass on the opportunity to have github orgs mirror our taxonomy though | 20:56 |
| markmc | mordred, I'd like to flesh out the release deliverables discussion, what tripleo's mission in terms of release deliverables would be etc. | 20:56 |
| ttx | it's such a mess already | 20:56 |
| mordred | markmc: so you would like to hold off on heat using it in the gate until we have that sorted? | 20:56 |
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| markmc | mordred, no | 20:56 |
| markmc | meh, I'm easy | 20:56 |
| markwash | does anyone else feel like "horizontals" is a critical use case to get right, though? | 20:56 |
| markmc | I was more proxying ttx's point | 20:56 |
| markmc | but he's a big boy | 20:56 |
| mordred | markmc: he IS a big boy | 20:57 |
| ttx | markwash: yes, but no reason to hold on the first programs while we nail it | 20:57 |
| mordred | I'm going to take that as a tacit "nobody but ttx, jeblair and mordred really care which thing goes in which github org" | 20:57 |
| markwash | ttx: accepted | 20:57 |
| mordred | and if ttx and jeblair can agree on which hole to put it in, it's probably right, yeah? | 20:58 |
| markmc | mordred, well ... that wouldn't be a license to move *everything* over from stackforge either :) | 20:58 |
| markmc | yeah, that | 20:58 |
| mordred | markmc: note I did include ttx in there | 20:58 |
| markmc | yep | 20:58 |
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| * mordred cowers in terror of ttx and his taxonomies | 20:58 | |
| ttx | #action ttx to draft a motion for basic programs definition and initial batch | 20:58 |
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| ttx | I am vulcan. I live and die logicly | 20:59 |
| jeblair | o/ | 20:59 |
| markmc | mordred, taxing taxonomies | 20:59 |
| ttx | ok, one minute left to add a last trout reference | 20:59 |
| ttx | before we close | 20:59 |
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| mikal | Truot | 20:59 |
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| mordred | wow | 20:59 |
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| markwash | lol | 20:59 |
| mordred | well done mikal | 20:59 |
| mikal | :P | 20:59 |
| markmc | strong work | 20:59 |
| ttx | everyone should tweet their love of designate but not just yet. | 21:00 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 25 21:00:19 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-06-25-20.02.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-06-25-20.02.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-06-25-20.02.log.html | 21:00 |
| ttx | markmc, jcannava, notmyname, jd__, markwash, jgriffith, russellb, shardy, gabrielhurley, markmcclain: still around ? | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | here | 21:00 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 21:00 |
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| gabrielhurley | \o | 21:00 |
| russellb | hi | 21:00 |
| jgriffith | o/ | 21:00 |
| markwash | hiyo! | 21:00 |
| ayoung | o/ for Keystone | 21:00 |
| jd__ | ! | 21:00 |
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| markmc | hey | 21:00 |
| shardy | o/ | 21:00 |
| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 25 21:01:08 2013 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| mordred | o/ | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:01 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:01 |
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| ttx | 3 weeks left to H2. Most work should now be started, and a good half should be merged or under review already | 21:01 |
| ttx | We'll spend a bit extra time on Swift (1.9.0) and Neutron (renaming plan). | 21:01 |
| ttx | and Swift will go right after the general stuff | 21:01 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:01 |
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| ttx | #topic General stuff | 21:01 |
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| ttx | Nothing on my side | 21:02 |
| ttx | sdague, annegentle, jeblair/mordred: news from QA/Docs/Infra teams ? | 21:02 |
| jeblair | yes | 21:02 |
| ttx | soon-to-be-programs ? | 21:02 |
| annegentle | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2013-June/002014.html | 21:02 |
| ttx | shoot | 21:02 |
| jeblair | we're planning on doing the quantum->neutron rename on saturday july 6 at 1600utc | 21:03 |
| annegentle | that's the latest from doc land -- Shaun McCance started as a contractor for Cisco last week to sort through install docs. | 21:03 |
| jeblair | we would like to have core reviewers from as many openstack projects as possible on hand during that time | 21:03 |
| mordred | seriously. this one _could_ break in weird places | 21:03 |
| jeblair | in case we find that there is something in some project that needs fixing in order for gating to work | 21:03 |
| markmc | annegentle, awesome, shaun rocks | 21:03 |
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| ttx | jeblair: do we have a wiki page to track the transition details ? | 21:04 |
| mordred | also - infra team is all going to be offsite in nyc thursday or friday of this week - so if people could try to not break everything, that would be neat | 21:04 |
| markmc | jeblair, ah, interesting - ok | 21:04 |
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| * markmc wonders how he's going to remember that | 21:04 | |
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| jeblair | ttx: no, but that's a good idea... perhaps if there was one with a sign-up sheet for each affected project | 21:04 |
| jeblair | we'd know what kind of representation we can expect | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | ttx: I'm working on a wiki for the transition | 21:05 |
| jeblair | i will set that up and link to it in the email announcement | 21:05 |
| ttx | jeblair: +1 | 21:05 |
| jeblair | i will add that to markmcclain's wiki page | 21:05 |
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| jeblair | ttx: [end] | 21:05 |
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| ttx | annegentle, jeblair: thx | 21:05 |
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| ttx | #topic Swift status | 21:06 |
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| ttx | notmyname: o/ | 21:06 |
| notmyname | hi | 21:06 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/swift/+milestone/1.9.0 | 21:06 |
| ttx | Got your email about cutting a candidate today for release on July 2 | 21:06 |
| notmyname | yes, we are very close | 21:07 |
| ttx | How is that plan going so far ? | 21:07 |
| ttx | with your conference and stuff | 21:07 |
| ttx | I see bug 1180680 on the 1.9.0-critical list, is that the blocker ? | 21:07 |
| notmyname | is that the dispersion report? | 21:07 |
| ttx | oh, you fixed it | 21:07 |
| ttx | who broke the bot | 21:07 |
| ttx | yes dispersion report | 21:07 |
| notmyname | if so, yes. it's got one +2. just needs one more. | 21:07 |
| notmyname | and we need one more test run for the write affinity | 21:07 |
| ttx | NothingDone: merged one hour ago | 21:08 |
| ttx | ow | 21:08 |
| ttx | notmyname: merged one hour ago | 21:08 |
| notmyname | ah, cool | 21:08 |
| ttx | OK, well, send me an email or an IRC ping with the SHA to cut milestone-proposed from, when you have it. | 21:08 |
| ttx | with changelog in | 21:08 |
| notmyname | will do. I've also got a little LP work to finish with it | 21:08 |
| ttx | and bump to next version on master | 21:08 |
| notmyname | ya, authors/changelog/affinity | 21:08 |
| notmyname | the normal dance | 21:08 |
| ttx | ack | 21:08 |
| ttx | On the page linked above, "Multi region replication" and "Proxy affinity (writes)" are still marked in progress. Should they be considered "Implemented" ? | 21:09 |
| notmyname | I've quite excited about this release. lots of good features, not the least of which is full global cluster support | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | ttx: when the write affinity lands | 21:09 |
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| ttx | heh, fair enough | 21:09 |
| ttx | missed your mention of it above | 21:10 |
| ttx | notmyname: anything else you wanted to raise ? | 21:10 |
| notmyname | ttx: I'm good | 21:10 |
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| ttx | #topic Oslo status | 21:11 |
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| ttx | markmc: hi! | 21:11 |
| markmc | yo | 21:11 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:11 |
| markmc | so, I knocked a few bps out to havana-3 | 21:11 |
| markmc | still seems optimistic | 21:12 |
| markmc | like a few of those probably won't make it, but I can't quite predict which yet | 21:12 |
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| * ttx refreshes | 21:12 | |
| ttx | Looks on track to me... | 21:12 |
| ttx | review review review | 21:12 |
| markmc | yeah | 21:12 |
| jd__ | too good to be true | 21:12 |
| markmc | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/oslo-openreviews.txt | 21:12 |
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| markmc | we've got plenty of reviewing to be done | 21:13 |
| ttx | you can't really defer more though | 21:13 |
| jd__ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/32445/ looks weird btw | 21:13 |
| markmc | ttx, can't really defer more? | 21:13 |
| markmc | jd__, yeah, I can't remember the details, but danpb did persuade me this would be useful in all projects | 21:13 |
| ttx | well, you already have 9 blueprints in h3 so given your velocity I'd say that deferring them means deferring again at the end of H3 | 21:13 |
| markmc | ttx, ah, got it | 21:14 |
| ttx | it's not as if you had an empty h3 still :) | 21:14 |
| ttx | markmc: anything you wanted to raise ? | 21:14 |
| jd__ | markmc: I actually meant the status of the review, it's like the commiter didn't notice the test failed and he's waiting on something | 21:14 |
| markmc | nothing huge, but ... | 21:14 |
| markmc | I'll do oslo-config-1.2.0a3 snapshot this week | 21:14 |
| markmc | main change is ordering of priority of CLI args | 21:14 |
| markmc | also, monty is putting integration testing in place for pbr | 21:15 |
| markmc | and we'll have a slew of changes landing once that's in place | 21:15 |
| markmc | so expect another pbr release | 21:15 |
| ttx | ack. Questions about Oslo ? | 21:15 |
| markmc | and we should be doing hacking 0.5.6 soon too | 21:15 |
| * ttx needs to work on streamlining library release announcements | 21:16 | |
| markmc | jd__, ah, thanks | 21:16 |
| markmc | ttx, with release notes | 21:16 |
| * markmc started doing release notes for oslo.config | 21:16 | |
| ttx | yeah, implement what we discussed at the summit about automatically building those announces | 21:16 |
| ttx | because currently it's a bit of an unpredictable mess | 21:17 |
| markmc | from git log? | 21:17 |
| markmc | human editing is preferable IMHO | 21:17 |
| markmc | anyway, digression | 21:17 |
| ttx | markmc: ok, will discuss off-meeting | 21:17 |
| ttx | #topic Keystone status | 21:17 |
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| ttx | ayoung: representing keystone ? | 21:17 |
| ayoung | Here | 21:17 |
| ttx | or is jcannava proxying here as well ? | 21:18 |
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| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:18 |
| ayoung | Keystone H2 Blueprints: | 21:18 |
| ayoung | For the most part looking good. A couple questions | 21:18 |
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| ayoung | jaypipes still planning on doing Region support? | 21:18 |
| ttx | Looks like you're a bit behind, yes | 21:18 |
| ttx | inherited-domain-goals in particular looks more likely to hit by havana-3 at that point ? | 21:19 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: last I checked, termie still has the review blocked. | 21:19 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, and I think we need to override that | 21:19 |
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| ttx | jaypipes: so that work is started ? | 21:19 |
| ttx | jaypipes: shoudl I set "Needs code review" as status ? | 21:19 |
| ayoung | Allow project roles to be inherited from owning domain probably underway, but Henry Nash off this week. | 21:20 |
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| ttx | ayoung: so it could still make h2 ? | 21:20 |
| ayoung | ttx it was just the api doc that had gotten posted | 21:20 |
| ayoung | ttx, unlikely | 21:20 |
| jaypipes | ttx: dolphm asked me to make a proposed change to the API spec first, which I did. termie poo-poo'd it and -2 the review. | 21:20 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, link? | 21:20 |
| ttx | jaypipes: so I'll mark it "started". | 21:21 |
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| ttx | (or "Blocked" | 21:21 |
| ttx | ) | 21:21 |
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| ttx | ayoung: please look into it and unblock it if you can | 21:21 |
| ttx | shardy: any progress on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/+spec/delegation-impersonation-support ? | 21:21 |
| ayoung | ttx, We'll make it happen | 21:21 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27563/ | 21:21 |
| ttx | adding review link and marking it blocked | 21:22 |
| shardy | ttx: not yet, been gated on too many heat task | 21:22 |
| shardy | tasks, planning to look at it later this week | 21:22 |
| ttx | ok, we'll discuss the impact on heat-trusts later in the meeting | 21:22 |
| ttx | ayoung: Anything more about Keystone ? | 21:22 |
| ayoung | other H2 tasks seem to be on target | 21:22 |
| ayoung | yes | 21:23 |
| ayoung | Horizon wants updated client for V3 Auth. according to lcheng | 21:23 |
| gabrielhurley | Is anyone else able to cut a python-keystoneclient release while Dolph is gone? Horizon needs a new release now that the v3 auth code is finally done and merged. It's currently a blocker for us. | 21:23 |
| gabrielhurley | lol | 21:23 |
| gabrielhurley | mordred: I'm looking at you... | 21:23 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: I /could/. But dolphm should be back very soon, so maybe it can wait tomorrow | 21:23 |
| gabrielhurley | is he back that soon? | 21:23 |
| mordred | I did not do it | 21:23 |
| ayoung | also | 21:23 |
| gabrielhurley | if it's one day that's fine | 21:23 |
| ayoung | Unified auth. Projects are all over the place. Would liketo make keystone client the libary of choice there, but sort of competes with the common cli effort. | 21:24 |
| gabrielhurley | if it's a week it'd be good to have someone do it sooner | 21:24 |
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| ttx | gabrielhurley: if he is not back tomorrow ping me and I'll tag | 21:24 |
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| mordred | ayoung: does it? | 21:24 |
| ayoung | He's gone this week and next, IIRC | 21:24 |
| gabrielhurley | can anyone confirm when he's back? | 21:24 |
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| ttx | ayoung: uh | 21:24 |
| ayoung | sorry, I am confusing the issue. Lets finish the cut new client discussion first | 21:25 |
| mordred | ayoung: Ithought unified CLI was still using underlying libs - so it would also consume keystoneclient for auth, no? | 21:25 |
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| russellb | mordred: i hope so. | 21:25 |
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| ayoung | so, yeah, we should cut a new client. | 21:25 |
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| gabrielhurley | +1 | 21:25 |
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| ttx | gabrielhurley: fire an email, cc dolph, ayoung and me. If he is not around, I'll push the tag for you | 21:25 |
| gabrielhurley | k | 21:25 |
| gabrielhurley | doing now | 21:25 |
| ayoung | Sounds good | 21:25 |
| ttx | just want to give him an oppty to complain about the idea | 21:25 |
| mordred | ttx: can't ayoung do it? | 21:25 |
| ayoung | OK, back to the auth thing | 21:26 |
| mordred | ttx: it's anyone in core isn't it? | 21:26 |
| ayoung | right now, not all of the other CLIs use keystoneclient | 21:26 |
| ttx | in -drivers I think. | 21:26 |
| mordred | ah | 21:26 |
| mordred | ayoung: I just discovered that in troveclient, in fact. I was angry | 21:26 |
| ayoung | jamielennox just sent me an email with a list of the status | 21:26 |
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| ayoung | So for example... | 21:26 |
| ttx | ayoung: could you push that to -dev ? | 21:26 |
| ttx | (status) | 21:27 |
| ayoung | Cinder: | 21:27 |
| ayoung | - Uses requests | 21:27 |
| ayoung | - Does not use keystoneclient | 21:27 |
| ayoung | - Uses sleep f | 21:27 |
| ayoung | Yes, will do so | 21:27 |
| ttx | then we can come up with a cleanup plan | 21:27 |
| ayoung | wanted to make sure there was nothing of a security nature in it first | 21:27 |
| mordred | ayoung: I am strongly in favor of fixing that | 21:27 |
| ttx | ayoung: sure | 21:27 |
| * mordred will gladly sit on the sidelines and cheer on the effort | 21:27 | |
| ttx | ok, we need to move on | 21:27 |
| ayoung | but are we OK with saying that all of the current clients change over to using keystoneclient as a dependency for auth? | 21:28 |
| ttx | ayoung: I think that would be a sane statement | 21:28 |
| mordred | ++ | 21:28 |
| ayoung | [end] | 21:28 |
| ttx | #topic Ceilometer status | 21:28 |
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| * ttx runs | 21:28 | |
| annegentle | o/ | 21:28 |
| ttx | jd__: hey | 21:28 |
| annegentle | oh I had a keystone Q | 21:28 |
| jd__ | o/ | 21:29 |
| annegentle | ayoung: I'd also like to know when it's ok to publish a v3 WADL to api.openstack.org/api-ref.html? I didn't realize Dolph was out that long. | 21:29 |
| ttx | annegentle: ah! | 21:29 |
| ttx | #undo | 21:29 |
| annegentle | (sorry) | 21:29 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x3360590> | 21:29 |
| jd__ | rollback; | 21:29 |
| annegentle | jd__: hee | 21:29 |
| ttx | annegentle: shot | 21:29 |
| ttx | annegentle: ask your question :) | 21:29 |
| annegentle | ayoung: mostly a timing thing, when is it "correct" to document v3 | 21:29 |
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| annegentle | ayoung: I think now's ok but wanted to confirm | 21:30 |
| annegentle | man maybe I missed him... I'll email | 21:30 |
| ayoung | annegentle, I haven't thought about it. I will have to get back to you. There is a V3 API doc, of course, so the answer seems to be "now" | 21:30 |
| annegentle | ayoung: ok, sure. | 21:30 |
| ttx | #topic Ceilometer status | 21:30 |
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| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:30 |
| ttx | Slightly behind schedule, I'd say | 21:31 |
| ttx | eglynn and dhellmann in particular look like they are late | 21:31 |
| ttx | and you can't defer that much to havana-3 | 21:31 |
| jd__ | I agree | 21:31 |
| ttx | did they give you any signs that they would catch up by working 24-h shifts ? | 21:31 |
| eglynn | ttx: I'm catching up, nose to grindstone ... | 21:31 |
| jd__ | I will pull their ears | 21:31 |
| jd__ | ttx: dhellmann is supposed to start this week | 21:32 |
| eglynn | jd__: consider mine pulled :) | 21:32 |
| ttx | I'm fine with stuff not making it... but I prefer to have those roadmaps reflecting reality as much as they can | 21:32 |
| ttx | eglynn: if you think you can still make it, then I'm fine | 21:32 |
| ttx | jd__: anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:32 |
| eglynn | ttx: cool | 21:32 |
| jd__ | ttx: nop | 21:32 |
| ttx | Questions on Ceilometer ? | 21:33 |
| ttx | #topic Glance status | 21:33 |
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| ttx | markwash: o/ | 21:33 |
| markwash | #undo | 21:33 |
| ttx | nice try. | 21:33 |
| markwash | darnit | 21:33 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:33 |
| markwash | refresh please. . . | 21:33 |
| ttx | refreshed. | 21:33 |
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| ttx | Look slightly behind, but not too bad | 21:34 |
| markwash | yeah, we had a bit of a culling | 21:34 |
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| ttx | How is async-glance-workers going so far ? | 21:34 |
| markwash | ttx: I have had to push that off somewhat, and need to reflect that change in the assignee | 21:34 |
| markwash | but it has active work | 21:34 |
| ttx | markwash: still likely to hit h2 ? | 21:35 |
| markwash | ttx: as far as we can tell now, yes | 21:35 |
| ttx | Iccha didn't start working on api-v2-property-protection yet ? | 21:35 |
| ttx | looks like it will be deferred again | 21:35 |
| markwash | not that I've seen, but it is scheduled for h2 timeframe | 21:35 |
| ttx | There is not a lot of room left for deferring to h3. | 21:35 |
| markwash | things in h3 might get pushed to I, to make room for higher priority h2 misses | 21:36 |
| iccha | will start working on it week hopefully once the design is approved | 21:36 |
| iccha | *next | 21:36 |
| * markwash approves design | 21:36 | |
| markwash | :-) | 21:36 |
| ttx | markwash: shall set up the next/ongoing stuff as soon as I can beat LP into submission | 21:36 |
| * markwash cheers | 21:36 | |
| ttx | markwash: anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:36 |
| markwash | yes | 21:36 |
| ttx | (for the record, the API does not expose series goal at all) | 21:37 |
| markwash | "Add sheepdog store" | 21:37 |
| markwash | this is all ready, except we're having a bear of a time getting it to pass py26 tests in jenkins | 21:37 |
| markwash | zhi yan has narrowed it down to an eventlet issue | 21:37 |
| markwash | basically I need some help from infra folks to get me oriented on jenkins boxes | 21:37 |
| markwash | #help :-) | 21:37 |
| markwash | that is all | 21:38 |
| ttx | mordred/jeblair ^ | 21:38 |
| ttx | Questions on Glance ? | 21:38 |
| ttx | #topic Neutron status | 21:38 |
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| ttx | markmcclain: hi! | 21:38 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:38 |
| markmcclain | hi | 21:38 |
| ttx | Slightly behind, but nothing too big | 21:38 |
| ttx | And you have plenty of room to defer to h3 | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | yeah.. I expect a few will defer | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | also the rename will be disruptive | 21:39 |
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| ttx | do you have a URL set up for the renaming plan ? | 21:39 |
| ttx | which we could add to the minutes of the meeting ? | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | not yet.. I'll push to -dev list | 21:40 |
| ttx | ok, everything else seems to be under control | 21:40 |
| ttx | markmcclain: anything you wanted to raise ? | 21:40 |
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| markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/neutron-renaming | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | nothing else to raise | 21:41 |
| ttx | cool, thx | 21:41 |
| ttx | Questions on Neutron ? | 21:41 |
| ttx | #topic Cinder status | 21:41 |
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| ttx | jgriffith: hola! | 21:41 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:41 |
| jgriffith | Howdy!! | 21:41 |
| ttx | Still a bit slow progress overall... but then you have room in h3 to defer | 21:42 |
| jgriffith | I've got requests out for Huaweii fellows and one of the DB guys | 21:42 |
| jgriffith | Tons o'room :) | 21:42 |
| jeblair | markwash: can you drop by #openstack-infra tomorrow? i'm about to head out to dinner. | 21:42 |
| ttx | Should https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/netapp-unified-driver be considered 'implemented' since https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33168/ was merged ? | 21:42 |
| jgriffith | I think most of these are going to make it | 21:42 |
| jgriffith | Umm...yup | 21:42 |
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| ttx | will fix | 21:42 |
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| ttx | Still have 4 blueprints proposed @ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/havana/+setgoals | 21:43 |
| ttx | can't wait until we don't have to care for that anymore | 21:43 |
| ttx | jgriffith: anything on your mind ? | 21:43 |
| jgriffith | you and I both.. everybody keeps sneaking stuff in there | 21:43 |
| jgriffith | Nope, just the note about pecan to the ML | 21:43 |
| jgriffith | other than that we're rollign along | 21:43 |
| ttx | Questions on Cinder ? | 21:43 |
| markwash | jeblair: sure, thanks! | 21:44 |
| ttx | #topic Nova status | 21:44 |
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| ttx | russellb: hey | 21:44 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:44 |
| russellb | hey | 21:44 |
| ttx | A slight bit behind, I'd say, from a 10,000 feet viewpoint | 21:44 |
| russellb | mountain of code reviews to do | 21:44 |
| russellb | yeah. | 21:44 |
| russellb | i'm starting to move stuff "Not Started" to havana-3 | 21:44 |
| ttx | Critical point being Christopher Yeoh's 10 High blueprints. Could you give us an update on that ? | 21:45 |
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| russellb | Yeah, so those are all subsets of the v3 API work, which he broke up. More than just him are working on them | 21:45 |
| russellb | and they've made lots of good progress | 21:45 |
| ttx | russellb: so that's still on track | 21:45 |
| russellb | yeah | 21:45 |
| ttx | russellb/vishy: about deprecate-nova-network, should that work start early so that it's completed by h3 ? | 21:46 |
| russellb | reviewers probably need to do a better job at giving their reviews attention | 21:46 |
| russellb | yeah, i haven't heard anything about that | 21:46 |
| russellb | vishy and garyk were going to work on it | 21:46 |
| vishy | russellb: I haven't made much progress on that side | 21:46 |
| * ttx doesn't like Essential/h3 stuff | 21:46 | |
| russellb | vishy: figured | 21:46 |
| russellb | another thing was full tempest support, which i'm not sure we're even tracking | 21:46 |
| ttx | vishy: what's your plan ? Start soon ? Doesn't sound like a no-brainer to me ;) | 21:47 |
| vishy | ttx: well we don't have one obv! | 21:47 |
| ttx | or do it all within h3 ? | 21:47 |
| ttx | obv? | 21:47 |
| russellb | obviously? | 21:47 |
| vishy | ttx: garyk was investigating trying to move from nova network to quantum via live migration | 21:47 |
| ttx | obviously. | 21:47 |
| vishy | and i was going to look at moving without live migration | 21:48 |
| vishy | I have managed to replicate a few different forms of nova-network in quantum | 21:48 |
| vishy | one of them is pretty much a no-go | 21:48 |
| ttx | vishy: "essential" says we really need to have a plan though. whereas "high" says we really want to have a plan :) | 21:48 |
| vishy | but i haven't tested the actuall unplug and plug | 21:48 |
| russellb | ah interesting ... would be good to have a write-up on those | 21:48 |
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| vishy | russellb: i will put something together | 21:49 |
| russellb | ttx: probably should downgrade to High at this point. | 21:49 |
| russellb | vishy: awesome | 21:49 |
| * markmcclain is interested in what you've found | 21:49 | |
| ttx | russellb: tat would mean go for another release with nova-network not deprecated, right ? | 21:49 |
| ttx | (if we miss it) | 21:49 |
| russellb | ttx: it would ... and i guess i'd really rather not | 21:49 |
| vishy | russellb: the multi-host network (not merged yet) stuff is required to get really close | 21:49 |
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| vishy | russellb: I will write up some stuff and try to the unplug plug stufff | 21:50 |
| russellb | ok cool | 21:50 |
| ttx | russellb, vishy: ok | 21:50 |
| ttx | we'll track progress on that on future meetings | 21:50 |
| russellb | sounds good | 21:50 |
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| ttx | and maybe downgrade to High if it starts to smell funny | 21:50 |
| ttx | russellb: anything else you wanted to mention ? | 21:50 |
| russellb | don't think so | 21:51 |
| ttx | Any question on Nova ? | 21:51 |
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| russellb | we're running behind on reviews, hoping we can improve tht | 21:51 |
| ttx | #topic Heat status | 21:51 |
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| ttx | shardy: o/ | 21:51 |
| shardy | o/ | 21:51 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:51 |
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| ttx | Good progress, still slightly behind, I'd say | 21:51 |
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| shardy | moved a couple of BPs to h3 that were not started or blocked | 21:52 |
| ttx | we shoudl have a better view next week | 21:52 |
| ttx | yes, h3 is filling up fast | 21:52 |
| shardy | otherwise, think we should be OK with what is there | 21:52 |
| ttx | you moved heat-trusts to h3, right ? | 21:52 |
| shardy | the problem recently is review overhead | 21:52 |
| ttx | Was wondering if https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/provider-upload was not completed already with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33008/ | 21:53 |
| shardy | ttx: yes, it's taken, way, way longer than I expected to get the suspend/resume code merged, so the keystoneclient and heat-trusts stuff has slipped | 21:53 |
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| shardy | ttx: Possibly, I need to check with asalkeld at our meeting tomorrow if there are more patches coming | 21:54 |
| ttx | shardy: anything else you want to raise ? | 21:54 |
| shardy | ttx: don't think so, no, thanks | 21:54 |
| ttx | Questions about Heat ? | 21:54 |
| ttx | #topic Horizon status | 21:54 |
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| ttx | gabrielhurley: o/ | 21:54 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:54 |
| ttx | A bit late at this point, and not so much room to defer to h3 | 21:55 |
| gabrielhurley | \o | 21:55 |
| gabrielhurley | yeah, some things are gonna fall off | 21:56 |
| ttx | The "igh" in particular are not in a very good shape | 21:56 |
| ttx | high | 21:56 |
| gabrielhurley | I'll rearrange whatever's not started by next week (including knocking a few off of H3 most likely) | 21:56 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: +1 | 21:56 |
| ttx | Two blueprints proposed @ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/havana/+setgoals fwiw | 21:56 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:56 |
| gabrielhurley | not particularly. you can have the last minutes for the other projects | 21:57 |
| ttx | Questions on Horizon ? | 21:57 |
| ttx | #topic Incubated projects | 21:58 |
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| devananda | Hi! | 21:58 |
| ttx | devananda: o/ | 21:58 |
| devananda | just one thing for today | 21:58 |
| ttx | Looks like we don't have hub_cap around | 21:58 |
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| devananda | A key feature for Ironic being feature-complete (and thus reaching an RC) is porting the PXE driver, which is currently blocked on porting image tools into glanceclient. Specifically, these two patches: | 21:58 |
| devananda | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34320/1 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33327/ | 21:58 |
| devananda | so I'd like to raise awareness and hope some reviewers can come look at those :) | 21:58 |
| devananda | it's not the only thing on our plates -- but it's a big one | 21:59 |
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| ttx | #help markwash: devananda needs glance-core help on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34320/1 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33327/ | 21:59 |
| devananda | thanks much :) | 21:59 |
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| ttx | devananda: are you likely to have something ready by the h2 milestone ? | 21:59 |
| devananda | nope | 21:59 |
| devananda | h3 is also unlikely | 22:00 |
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| ttx | devananda: note that it affects the chnaces of proper graduation | 22:00 |
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| devananda | indeed. | 22:00 |
| ttx | we'll cover that in a future meeting | 22:01 |
| ttx | i.e. progress or not progress :) | 22:01 |
| ttx | our time is up | 22:01 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 25 22:01:30 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-06-25-21.01.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-06-25-21.01.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-06-25-21.01.log.html | 22:01 |
| ttx | thanks everyone | 22:01 |
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| gabrielhurley | #startmeeting horizon | 22:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 25 22:05:18 2013 UTC. The chair is gabrielhurley. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 22:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 22:05 |
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| gabrielhurley | hello folks | 22:05 |
| timductive | hi | 22:05 |
| jpich | hello | 22:05 |
| david-lyle | hello | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic overview | 22:05 |
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| lcheng | hello | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | We're halfway through H2. Lots of stuff in progress and "needs code review". I think the overall progress is going well, but we definitely need to start getting stuff merged | 22:06 |
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| jcoufal | hey | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | The only other general thing I have is that discussion on where UX discussions on the mailing list continues to go well, and I think another week there is probably good. Anyone with opinions should follow up on the thread. | 22:07 |
| gabrielhurley | let's just jump into blueprints | 22:07 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic blueprints | 22:07 |
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| gabrielhurley | I'llgo first | 22:07 |
| gabrielhurley | I'm working on the heat code right now | 22:07 |
| gabrielhurley | I've gone through a few iterations and ultimately I think the simplest solution is gonna be best | 22:07 |
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| gabrielhurley | we start with chosing a template (whether by URL, file, or direct input). that's one step in-and-of-itself. Everything else flows from that and it makes the next step of adding parameters, giving it a name, etc. nice and clean and self-contained. | 22:08 |
| gabrielhurley | I'm rewriting the code (again) to prove this out as we speak | 22:08 |
| gabrielhurley | but I think this'll be the final go-round for it | 22:08 |
| gabrielhurley | so that's very good | 22:09 |
| timductive | :) | 22:09 |
| timductive | Is this still using workflows? | 22:09 |
| gabrielhurley | Once I get that up for review I'm gonna check out the realtime proof-of-concept and sepnd some time with that | 22:09 |
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| gabrielhurley | timductive: no, I've actually dropped it back to two simple forms which just chain one to the other | 22:09 |
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| timductive | ok | 22:09 |
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| gabrielhurley | timductive: with any luck I'll have code up for review by tomorrow | 22:10 |
| gabrielhurley | so, that's wht I've got. who else wants to go? | 22:10 |
| timductive | ok, great! I'll be sure to look at it | 22:10 |
| timductive | Mine is quick | 22:10 |
| gabrielhurley | go for it | 22:10 |
| david-lyle | gabrielhurley: so does this replace/update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29478/ | 22:10 |
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| gabrielhurley | david-lyle: update | 22:10 |
| gabrielhurley | much of the code is the same | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | mostly refactoring the UX | 22:11 |
| david-lyle | ok, will it be a different commit? | 22:11 |
| timductive | still working on the heat topology, I talked with Brad Jones about the d3js library and I'm using it as well | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | david-lyle: nah, I'm just gonna rebase it back into the same patchset | 22:11 |
| david-lyle | just wondering if we should -2 the existing until your code is up | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | oh, I suppose so | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | not that anyone's been desperately trying to merge it thus far | 22:12 |
| gabrielhurley | timductive: awesome! | 22:12 |
| gabrielhurley | I'm really excited to see that | 22:12 |
| timductive | I'm hoping to have a WIP up late this week | 22:12 |
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| gabrielhurley | timductive: sounds perfect | 22:13 |
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| timductive | :) | 22:13 |
| gabrielhurley | david-lyle: you wanna give some updates since you've got the most blueprints? | 22:13 |
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| gabrielhurley | lcheng: you can go after david-lyle | 22:13 |
| david-lyle | sure | 22:13 |
| david-lyle | domain context is up and awaiting review | 22:14 |
| * gabrielhurley needs to look at that... | 22:14 | |
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| david-lyle | the region selection code has merged and the only thing left is managing multiple endpoints in the same region | 22:14 |
| david-lyle | still planning on starting rbac, got delayed a couple of days | 22:15 |
| gabrielhurley | okay. I expect that one to slip to H3 anyhow | 22:15 |
| david-lyle | yeah, I think it's a sizable effort | 22:15 |
| gabrielhurley | david-lyle: can you update https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/multiple-service-endpoints to reflect that that's merged | 22:16 |
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| gabrielhurley | oh, maybe that's updated correctly. I may've misread what you said just now | 22:17 |
| david-lyle | sure. should I split of the multiple endpoints in the same region to a separate blueprint? or just update the status | 22:17 |
| gabrielhurley | I think separate BPs would be good | 22:17 |
| david-lyle | ok, I will do that and mark the current one as complete | 22:18 |
| gabrielhurley | great | 22:18 |
| gabrielhurley | lcheng: I think you're up. | 22:18 |
| lcheng | keystoneclient v3 auth has finally merged. Requesting for a release of keystoneclient so that we can consume it in openstack_auth. | 22:18 |
| gabrielhurley | jpich: I don't see Brooklyn around so maybe you can speak on ceilomter? | 22:18 |
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| lcheng | Dolph is currently out, ttx will do the release for this.. | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | lcheng: yep, you should have that tomorrow one way or the other | 22:19 |
| lcheng | gabrielhurley: thanks for following this up on the release meeting. | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | no problem | 22:19 |
| lcheng | I still need to update my old patch for openstack_auth to consume some of the goodies added in keystoneclient. :-) | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | yeah, now that it's actually landed in keystoneclient I'll make sure to get that in once you update it. | 22:19 |
| lcheng | Hopefully will get it ready for review next week. | 22:20 |
| gabrielhurley | sounds good | 22:20 |
| jpich | gabrielhurley: Yep. He sent me an email about it today, the patch was updated based on the first round of feedback, I'll have another look during the week. I guess the next step will be to put it up on gerrit to give it more visibility and review the details more easily | 22:20 |
| gabrielhurley | jpich: great | 22:20 |
| gabrielhurley | It'd be great to get a first pass of that into H2 | 22:20 |
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| jpich | It would | 22:21 |
| gabrielhurley | anybody else wanna give updates? | 22:21 |
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| gabrielhurley | cody-somerville: haven't heard from you in a bit... | 22:22 |
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| cody-somerville | gabrielhurley: Hey. Sorry. Been busy with conferences. | 22:23 |
| gabrielhurley | hi there. all good. any news, or "no news *is* the news"? | 22:23 |
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| cody-somerville | I don't have too much to share except that I haven't forgotten about my bp for H2. I also think there has been some good conversation started on the ml lately re: horizon. | 22:24 |
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| gabrielhurley | cool. unless you strongly think you're gonna land something in H2 I'm gonna defer that BP to H3, but it's a big one so seeing code earlier in H3 is kind of a must | 22:25 |
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| cody-somerville | Going to be in Italy next week but going to try and find some time this week to determine what we can make actionable for H and what we can have lined up and ready to go for I. | 22:27 |
| gabrielhurley | sounds good | 22:27 |
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| gabrielhurley | last call for blueprint updates. I'm gonna start bumping anything that's not started come next week. And that'll impact what fits in H3 as well. | 22:28 |
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| gabrielhurley | oookay | 22:29 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic open discussio | 22:29 |
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| gabrielhurley | #topic open discussion | 22:29 |
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| gabrielhurley | questions? comments? | 22:30 |
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| jcoufal | I have one general question about D3 charting | 22:33 |
| jcoufal | We are playing around with concepts for Horizon and playing with charts (e.g for usage consumption of resources in time). | 22:34 |
| jcoufal | So e.g. for this purpose is needed line chart | 22:35 |
| jcoufal | building it with pure D3 takes quite time and effort, so we were thinking about using some additional library | 22:35 |
| jcoufal | currently investigating good ones, but in general something like this: http://nvd3.org/ghpages/lineWithFocus.html | 22:35 |
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| jcoufal | We'd like to bring this upstream, so I am just asking if there is any problem with bringing in some additional libraries on the top of D3 or if it is ok...? | 22:37 |
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| jcoufal | (more thinking about one additional library, not set of different ones) | 22:37 |
| jcoufal | any thoughts? | 22:38 |
| timductive | I asked a similar question last week :) | 22:39 |
| jcoufal | timductive: ah, sorry, didn't notice that :-/ what was the conclusion? | 22:39 |
| gabrielhurley | jcoufal: things built on D3 or cool. there are tons of good d3 plugins | 22:39 |
| gabrielhurley | I just don't want a proliferation of different underlying libraries | 22:39 |
| gabrielhurley | *are cool | 22:40 |
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| timductive | I'm sure there is a good line graph plug-in for d3 | 22:40 |
| gabrielhurley | there are | 22:40 |
| jcoufal | yeah, definitely on top of D3 | 22:40 |
| gabrielhurley | several of them | 22:40 |
| timductive | is nvd3 one? | 22:41 |
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| jcoufal | perfect, that's all I needed to know | 22:41 |
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| jcoufal | timductive: if you have some suggestion, will be happy to hear about some | 22:41 |
| timductive | jcoufal: I'll let you know if I find any | 22:41 |
| jcoufal | timductive: yeah, it is first we found somehow useful. Will let you know about our results | 22:42 |
| jcoufal | great, thank you guys | 22:42 |
| gabrielhurley | cool | 22:42 |
| gabrielhurley | have a great week folks | 22:42 |
| gabrielhurley | #endmeeting | 22:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 25 22:43:02 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-06-25-22.05.html | 22:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-06-25-22.05.txt | 22:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-06-25-22.05.log.html | 22:43 |
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| jcoufal | have a great week ;) | 22:43 |
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