Thursday, 2013-06-27

annegentleanyway... those are the details00:00
annegentleto fill in00:00
sarobsean like00:00
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sarobyou will get a few more doc contributors00:00
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sarobcause that is the first thing im teaching the user group working on the training00:01
annegentleyeah you guys are doing great00:01
annegentlereally, really good stuff here!00:01
sarobso can you noodle on how to keep us from dupin stuff00:02
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sarobas the docs get mashed00:02
annegentlesarob: yeah been doin that, if you'll forgive another cheesey metaphor, we've got the patient on the operating table with the guts hanging out while we reorg00:03
* sarob arrgghhh00:03
fifieldtand we're fitting a permanent pacemaker, and replacing the lungs with machines00:04
sarobim meaning from the creating training materials based on the docs00:04
fifieldtthe docs won't be stable for a few months, is my guess00:04
sarobif the operations training needs materials from multi locations00:05
sarobbest way to stitch together00:05
annegentlesarob: I think we're just saying, the admin manual may be a different beast, divided in to an admin user guide and config ref00:05
sarobroger that00:05
annegentlesarob: and it won't be titled "Compute" only00:05
sarobthe training will be more like assoc, ops, dev, devops00:06
sarobwith subsection specialities00:06
annegentlesarob: yeah taht's why the audience, task, and objectives will help with matching00:07
sarob3rd dimension00:07
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sarobi will add those attrib in00:07
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annegentlesarob: awesome00:08
fifieldtwe're overtime for the meeting - any objections if I end the recording now?00:08
sarobnope, thanks for your time00:08
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fifieldtI'll still be here, of course :)00:08
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sarobi gots to run, but i love your guys feedback on the blueprint and etherpads00:09
annegentlefifieldt: oh but you didn't reveal all your findings00:09
annegentlehow to help developers consuming API00:09
fifieldtyeah, still have to write those up00:09
annegentleoh ok00:09
fifieldtsee about 57 minutes ago :D00:09
sarobsorry i talk to much00:09
* sarob blush00:09
fifieldtit's excellent sarob00:09
annegentlesorry I didn't follow the agenda :)00:10
fifieldtthat's fine00:10
fifieldtwhile reed's away, we can play :D00:10
annegentlefifieldt: are you up for another meeting in a few hours on the phone/skype/hangout?00:10
fifieldtI'm free for the next 5 hours00:10
annegentlefifieldt: ok I'll call you in 2 or so00:10
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slavayssiereHi, i came from and the next meeting is on a past day. When will be the next meeting ?08:55
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fifieldtslavayssiere, oslo meets regularly on Fridays at 1400 UTC09:08
fifieldtoh - I just read "if someone adds an agenda" :)09:08
fifieldtprobably best to ask on the mailing list09:08
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slavayssierei will sent an email :)09:11
slavayssiereif I found the good mailinglist ;)09:12
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jd__#startmeeting ceilometer15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun 27 15:00:21 2013 UTC.  The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)"15:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer'15:00
jd__hi everyone15:00
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jd__dhellmann and sandywalsh are excused15:01
shengjieo/ long time no see , guys15:01
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jd__hi shengjie15:02
eglynnhey shengjie15:02
jd__#topic Review Havana-2 milestone15:02
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shengjiesorry being disappeared for a while, guys, some fires in Dell had to put off15:02
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jd__"duty calls"15:02
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jd__so we're starting to be late for havana-215:03
jd__<-- :-( unhappy face15:03
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jd__dhellmann promised it'll tackle his bp next week15:03
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jd__eglynn: you seem to be back on track so that's nice :)15:03
eglynnjd__: yep, nose back to the coding grindstone in a big way :)15:04
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jd__I don't have much news of other blueprints, so please update your bp status if needed15:04
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llu-laptopSince fengqian is not here, I'll update his 2 bps:,
jd__llu-laptop: did he start already?15:05
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llu-laptopHe started both already.15:05
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jd__#topic Release python-ceilometerclient?15:05
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eglynnyep, ceiloclient 1.0.1 is out15:06
llu-laptopfor pollster-runtime-configuration, it has 2 dependency for both oslo.config and oslo.incubator. The oslo.config patch is merged, ans the oslo.incubator patch is being reviewed15:06
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eglynnI must admit I made a bit of a dog's dinner of what should have been a fairly trivial task15:06
jd__llu-laptop: sounds great!15:06
jd__eglynn: hehe :))15:06
eglynnFYI, some notes I took of the my acculumated learnings ...15:06
jd__eglynn: so next time will be a breeze right?15:06
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eglynnmembership of ceilometer-ptl group is now required to push tags to ceiloclient:,members15:06
eglynnrelease tag MUST be GPG-signed, otherwise release seems to work but tarball is not uploaded to (causing a dangling link from pypi)15:06
eglynnno need for the signing key to be exchanged, as no upstream GPG keyring maintained as yet15:06
eglynnrequirements versioning now centralized, need to propose version update to first15:06
eglynnneed to wait on pypi mirroring for Jenkins builds to susceed, cron jobs run at 21:00-ish UTC daily:
eglynnwhoops sorry for the big paste!!15:07
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eglynnanyhoo, I'll know better next time15:07
jd__(both eglynn and me are part of ceilometer-ptl for now, but if other people want to take the burden of doing release I can add ceilometer-core guys)15:08
jd__anyhow thanks eglynn!15:08
gordcnaw, i'm ok letting you guys handle it :)15:08
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jd__#topic Mutiple dispatcher enablement15:09
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jd__litong: enlighten us15:09
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litonghi jd__,15:09
litongthe point of that blueprint is to allow multiple dispatchers(or publishers) so that metering data come out of the collector can go various places.15:10
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litongcurrently we can only make the data go to one database.15:10
eglynni.e. maintaining multiple metering stores? nice15:10
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litongwe (IBM) have a need to allow metering data not only going to db but also call out to other systems.15:11
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eglynnselectively for certain meters, or everything goes everywhere?15:11
litongso this effort will allow one to easily add new capabilities without touch ceilometer core. only configuration changes.15:11
shengjielitong: like notification thing?15:11
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llu-laptopcan the current multiple publisher meet the requirement?15:11
jd__sounds cool15:11
jd__I remembered we talked about it15:12
litong@eglynn, can be both.15:12
jd__litong: I'll take time to review the patch15:12
litongwith Doug's suggestion go with the pipeline approach, that becomes a configuration issue.15:12
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litongjd__, the patch I put out there simply make record_metering_data as the new interface.15:13
litongDoug has some concerns and very much like to go with pipeline approach. I am in the works of submiitting another patch. so we can compare which is a better implementation.15:13
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jd__cool, I'll wait that other patch then? :)15:13
litongif you look at the one I already put up there and put some commenst on , that will be great.15:14
jd__I can do that tomorrow15:14
litongproblem with the pipeline approach is that the data has to be converted to Counter.15:14
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litongthat means, the business (data structure) logic will have to be considered, I do not really like that.15:15
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litongCounter are the things the pipeline knows how to handle.15:15
jd__I'm not sure about that, you could reuse the infrastructure without the plugins15:15
jd__the pipeline doesn't really know about Counter I think15:15
jd__it just passes data around15:15
jd__or at lease we could modify it in this way15:15
jd__(if needed)15:15
litongI think it actually does, if I pass simple data, it blows up.15:16
jd__maybe there's some adjustement indeed15:16
litongright, that will be nice.15:16
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gordclitong, how far along is the pipeline impl?15:16
litongI like the capability of pipeline filter thing, I think that can be quite useful down the road. so the meter can be selective.15:16
llu-laptopI thinkt the problem for pipeline here is not in the polling metrics, but those metrics from noticitation15:17
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litongvery close, wanted to submit before the meeting but had a little problem to solve first.15:17
litongshould be in today.15:17
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gordccool cool, be cool to have a look. maybe a 2nd/3rd pair of eyes can spot any easy fix for your issue.15:18
litongso I would like this blueprint to be approved if it is all possible.15:18
gordcllu-laptop, do you mean the pipeline would miss meters from notification?15:19
jd__litong: I can approve but you have to set a milestone15:19
litongok. the other implementation should be in today.15:19
llu-laptopgordc: I don't think the pipeline supports notification metrics15:19
litongso I hope I can make havana-2 or we already passed it.15:19
jd__litong: havana-2 is in ~3 weeks, so that should be ok15:20
litongok. thanks. should be able to make it. thanks.15:20
jd__here it is, you're in the roadmap now15:20
gordcllu-latop, hmm.. that would suck. i'd need to take a look at code again. brain isn't working yet.15:21
litongjd__, thanks folks.15:21
gordcgood stuff, litong15:21
litong@gordoc, thanks.15:21
jd__next topic then?15:22
jd__#topic DB2 support15:22
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jd__(this one is scary)15:22
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litong@jd__, IBM very much like Ceilometer to support db2 as its backend.15:22
litongcurrently we can try to use sqlachemy to do that.15:23
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litongbut the problem is that after a lot of discussion, some of the developers in IBM think that using tables for metadata handling is really the wrong tool.15:23
eglynnis the objection related to metadata querying?15:24
litongthe concern is really the query performance. w15:24
jd__litong: yeah classic problem15:24
gordceglynn, no one on your end is looking at the sql metadata query bp right?15:25
litongwe think that the freelance (metadata) and where the real value is in the metadata. be able to aggregate and query metadata is very important.15:25
eglynngordc: nope15:25
llu-laptopthat seems to be the problem for all SQL DB, I think15:25
litong@llu-laptop, totally agreed.15:25
eglynnso is there an alternative approach being mooted?15:26
eglynn(alternative to using tables that is ...)15:26
litongibm is working on some feature on db2 which will actually allow docs.15:26
litongthe point is that the implementation will not be based on sqlachemy.15:26
gordc.... yeah. i get the feeling this is just going to get pushed. sql metadata query seems like serious stuff.15:26
litongwith relational database, no matter how hard you try, indexes, relationship, you can not really win at the end with freelance data.15:27
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eglynn"freelance data" == "free-form data" ?15:27
litong@eglynn, yes, exactly.15:28
xingzhoucan be, no schema15:28
eglynnk, understood15:28
shengjielitong: as no-sql db, this is a win for HBase, dynamic columns, but we have other issues15:28
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litong@shengjie, yeah, it is always the word "other issues" get people concerned.15:29
litongso I think that my question is are we (ceilometer team) allow vendor specific drivers to be in Ceilometer or not.15:29
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jd__I don't see the difference with something like the HBase driver15:30
jd__what would it be?15:30
eglynnhmmm, how would such a thing be tested?15:30
eglynn(i.e. based on proprietary DB)15:30
jd__eglynn: 'cause ya think we test HBase?15:30
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eglynnLOL :)15:31
eglynn... but we could!15:31
eglynni.e. wouldn't be encumbered by software licensing etc.15:31
* gordc is trying to fix hbase tests right now... isn't likely it already.15:31
litong@eglynn, it will fall on the maintainer to test all the features.15:31
shengjieyeah, Ceilo architecture doesn't stop u from doing that, having another driver :)15:31
jd__eglynn: we support Oracle via SQLAlchemy, we don't test it15:31
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eglynnjd__: true that, but I guess we still have a way of testing the sqlalchemy driver with OSS only15:32
jd__gordc: fix hbase tests… you mean fix hbase :)15:32
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litong@jd__, I think it will fall on the shoulders of the parties who interested in these drivers to do the work.15:32
litongboth development and testing.15:32
jd__eglynn: point taken, I'm trying to be the devil's advocate as usual15:32
eglynnsure, understood15:32
jd__litong: I agree15:32
litongas of now, it will be me, gordon and ibmers.15:32
gordcjd__, if that's what's needed, then i'm stopping my efforts now.lol15:32
jd__gordc: haha I don't know really :)15:33
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shengjielitong: agree, whoever is using the driver should test the drivers themselves, as community effort, we test it at the unit-testing level15:33
jd__to me HBase or DB2 is kind of the same, I'll never go and fix them anyway, being  the database15:33
jd__to me HBase or DB2 is kind of the same, I'll never go and fix them anyway, being  the database free or not15:33
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eglynnso presumably at least the gluecode would be opensource?15:34
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eglynn(i.e. the clientside DB2 library, whatever the direct dependency would be ...)15:34
jd__I hope it is already indeed15:34
jd__that would be a blocker otherwise I think15:34
litong@eglynn, exactly, so when interface changes etc, these drivers can be at least checked on.15:34
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jd__or we won't be able to at least declare a dependency on it15:35
eglynnjd__: yep, agreed15:35
litong@eglynn, the idea is that the driver will not introduce new dependencies.15:35
eglynnlitong: a-ha, OK15:35
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litongat least that is what I am aiming at.15:35
eglynnfair enough15:35
litongapproval of this blueprint will also encourage other vendors to be involved. if that is just a side effect.15:36
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jd__I'm ok to approve, what's the milestone you target?15:38
litonghavana-2 as well.15:38
litongI have something already working mostly.15:38
litongthanks jd__15:38
jd__litong: update the status as you move on this :)15:39
jd__and on the other one15:39
litongwill do15:39
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jd__#topic open discussion15:41
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eglynnjust a quick heads-up on the HK summit15:41
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eglynnvery early days still obviously, but apparently the conference hotel (marriott) is filling up v. fast15:41
eglynn(in case anyone on the team is mulling whether to pull the trigger on booking)15:41
eglynncancellation policy is nasty tho'15:42
litong@eglynn, there are not many hotels close to the conference location.15:42
eglynnlitong: yep, it's out by the airport right?15:42
litong@eglynn, agreed.15:42
gordclet's see if i get funding  this time.15:42
litong@eglynn, yes, it is far away from anywhere.15:42
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litongI lived in HK for two years, so I have a bit information about the area.15:43
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* jd__ booked already15:43
llu-laptoplitong: no easy public transport?15:44
eglynnlitong: taxis required to get anywhere?15:44
litongpublic transportation is great here. you can go anywhere with bus or subway.15:44
litongI mean great there.15:44
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litongit just takes time.15:44
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litongand a lot of walking.15:44
eglynngood for the cardio :)15:45
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litong@eglynn, totally.15:45
litongHK is a great place, just not that particular location.15:45
dhandyHi all. I have a question about the Monitoring Physical Devices blueprint.15:45
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dhandyWe have an interest in that.15:46
gordcside topic - can someone quickly review this: -- i'm cool, if you tell me to abandon it because it's not needed15:46
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dhandyThe status for Monitoring Physical Devices is "needs code review"15:47
dhandyIs anyone planning on reviewing that?15:47
llu-laptopdhandy: I think there is already some review comment on
jd__they did they will split it up in patches15:48
jd__it's really big15:48
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gordcagreed - didn't look at it because i'm not an expert on it and 1300 lines was too much. :)15:48
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llu-laptopI guess the patch set 2 of is considered to be the first part of the splitting, comparing to patchset 115:49
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jd__ok i'll take a look then15:50
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dhandyOk, thanks.15:51
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jd__see you guys!15:51
gordcllu-laptop, lol, that was the split? looks like i have no excuse then.15:51
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llu-laptopgordc: that's only my guessing15:51
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llu-laptopgordc: It seems the snmp inspector is not there in patchset2, so I guess that's the splitting15:52
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dkranzAny one here for the qa meeting?17:00
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dkranzSo there is nothing on the agenda in the wiki at the moment.17:01
dkranzWho else is here?17:01
giulivodkranz, honestly I was looking forward for some updates on testr17:02
giulivoand the migration from nose to testr17:02
dkranzgiulivo: Me too, but the reporters are in NY.17:02
dkranzgiulivo: Since next Thursday is a major US holiday, we should ask them for status on the mailing list.17:03
giulivoplus I wanted to introduce a couple of topics17:03
giulivo1. enable Heat in gating jobs17:03
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dkranzThere was some discussion about whether heat should have its own job.17:04
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dkranzThat made sense to me.17:05
giulivothat means a new VM as per quantum?17:05
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dkranzBut it really depends on what the heat tests are ultimately doing.17:06
dkranzWe should ping Steve Baker about that.17:06
dkranzgiulivo: Do you have anything to add about this?17:07
giulivono I'd start work on those17:07
giulivoas soon as the things reach some level of stabilization17:07
giulivoso currently I'm keeping an eye on the reviews17:08
dkranzgiulivo: what kind of work do you mean you would start?17:08
giulivomaintain the existing heat tests17:08
giulivoand improve where necessary17:08
giulivowith tests for the additional functionalities17:08
giulivoit is mostly what I've done with cinder17:08
psedlakhi, sorry for being late17:08
dkranzpsedlak: np17:08
dkranzgiulivo: Perhaps you should check with Steve Baker about his plans going forward.17:09
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psedlakafter quick look, they already have the gate/smoke attrs, so they were already run when proposed right?17:09
giulivoideally, but AFAIK heat is just disabled17:09
dkranzpsedlak: I believe the issue is that devstack by default is not setting up heat.17:09
dkranzSo we either need to turn it on for all tempest jobs, or run them in a separate job.17:10
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psedlakoh i see17:10
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dkranz#topic QA as an OpenStackk Program17:11
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dkranzafazekas: hi there17:11
dkranzAs Sean said, it makes sense to choose a "leader"  and then let that person drive producing the mission.17:11
psedlakwell imho it depends, if there will be some non-gating tests, they should be later part of full/periodical test right?17:12
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dkranzpsedlak: RIght, that full/periodic would be configured with heat.17:12
psedlakand also if heat is not set-up by devstack now, that should be fixed first ... or why not?17:12
dkranzpsedlak: We could just do that for all jobs.17:13
psedlakdkranz: ok, but what's the reason to not have heat also in the gate job?17:13
dkranzpsedlak: I am not sure but there was a discussion about it.17:13
dkranzI don't really care either way but we should check with the infra folks.17:14
giulivopsedlak, it is roughly perceived as a slowdown17:14
giulivoand just an additional layer on top of the APIs we test already17:14
psedlakdkranz: makes sense17:14
giulivoso it'd be worth write some specifics for Heat, but going trough the whole process would just produce17:15
giulivomore testing for the underlying API17:15
giulivowe should try to test the logic in Heat, not the actual functionalities17:15
dkranzgiulivo: I presume that is the focus of the tests now being added.17:15
psedlakgiulivo: not only that, also coop between heat and those underlying APIs ... the heat itself ... or?17:15
giulivodkranz, to be honest17:15
giulivopartially it is17:15
giulivobut I see added unneeded stuff17:15
giulivolike this
dkranzgiulivo: This is really a question of what the heat test plan is.17:16
dkranzgiulivo: Can you make sure there is one :)17:16
psedlakok, then those unneeded could be 'just' not marked as gate/smoke ... ?17:16
dkranzpsedlak: If they are unneeded they should be removed.17:16
giulivoyeah actually there is a blueprint17:16
dkranzgiulivo: Can you see if it is a real test plan?17:17
dkranzIt doesn't seem to be.17:17
psedlakdkranz: really unneeded should be removed, i meant unneeded for gate/time-concerned testing ...17:17
giulivoyeah I think we're already going further the few tests described anyway17:17
dkranzgiulivo: So what is the action to be taken here?17:18
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giulivoI'll try to get in touch with the author of the tests and see if we can draft more infos in the blueprint17:18
dkranzI have to step out for two minutes but please continue.17:18
giulivostick with those tests17:18
giulivoand later work on the Heat VM17:19
giulivoso is there people focusing on blueprints which should get some attention?17:19
giulivolike, not yet prioritized?17:20
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giulivook I'd consider the silence as a no17:20
giulivogiven that nobody jumped into the testr discussion either17:21
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giulivoI assume there aren't updates on that17:21
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giulivoand with that the last topic which I can think about17:22
giulivois reviews in need of love17:22
psedlakgiulivo: i think dkranz mentioned that testr state should be asked on ML17:22
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giulivoso before we get into the reviews needing help17:23
giulivoare there other topics proposed?17:23
dkranzThe current topic was qa as a program.17:23
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giulivodkranz, please go on17:24
dkranzThe easiest thing would be for any one who wants to be the qa "leader" to send something to the mailing list.17:24
dkranzIf there is more than one we would have a vote, same as other projects.17:24
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dkranzBut I think being a Core reviewer would be necessary for the leader.17:25
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afazekasdkranz: I think we do not have everybody here to discuss the leader17:26
giulivodkranz, doesn't the core team actually act as a group of people leading the program?17:26
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psedlakgiulivo: no, core is about activity17:27
giulivowhat would be the value added from having a "leader" ?17:27
psedlakgiulivo: there is also drivers group17:27
dkranzgiulivo: There are two answers.17:27
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dkranzOne is that it is a technical requirement for being a program.17:28
dkranzThe other is that the group will work better if some one knows it is there job to prepare an agenda for the meeting, organize blueprints, etc.17:28
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giulivodkranz, indeed but I mean17:29
dkranzAnd attend cross-project/program meetings.17:29
giulivoisn't the current core group the tempest PTL? isn't the core group already in charge of those duties?17:29
dkranzI mean is required to attend. Any one can attend any meeting.17:29
dkranzgiulivo: Yes, in our own little world.17:29
dkranzFrom the OpenStack perspective though, each group needs a representative and/or single point of contact.17:30
giulivooh the PTL isn't a group17:30
afazekasdkranz: How can we decide who will be the single point of contact ?17:31
dkranzgiulivo: No, it is the Project Technical Lead who is an elected person by the members of their group.17:31
dkranzafazekas: The same way as all the other projects: if there is more than one candidate, we vote.17:31
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dkranzWe would have to determine who can vote but first let's see if there is more than one candidate.17:32
afazekasWho has a suggestion for PTL ?17:32
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dkranzsdague was suggested a while ago and he said he would be willing.17:33
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jking_swiftidentify 6dca42to0417:33
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jking_swiftor not17:33
jking_swiftsorry, stupid client17:33
dkranzjking_swift: Huh?17:33
giulivowe won't steal your nick17:33
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dkranzRemember that "PTL" is not a position of any particular authority, more about dedicating time to the project in a reliable way with the backing of your employer.17:35
dkranzAny other comments about "PTL"?17:35
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dkranzafazekas: BTW, me saying single point of contact was a little misleading.17:36
giulivomy comment is that I don't see the vertical structuring a good idea17:36
dkranzThere is hardly anything that would be sent only to that person.17:36
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giulivoso I'd prefer to keep that a group, as it has been with the "core" team of people17:36
giulivobut clearly it is just my 2c17:37
dkranzIt is more that the leader is *required* to do certain things and takes on that responsibility.17:37
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giulivodkehn, indeed, required by?17:37
afazekasgiulivo: It is the normal Openstack way, projects has a PTL17:37
dkranzgiulivo: We don't really have a choice.17:37
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dkranzgiulivo: required to show up at the weekly project meeting, for example.17:38
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dkranzSo if there are no more comments I will send something to this list requesting people to express their interest.17:39
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afazekasdkranz: sounds good to me17:40
dkranzAny other items to discuss?17:40
dkranzI am still trying to find time to do some more work on the stress tests.17:40
afazekasBack to the heat test, one of the most interesting heat feature is the auto-scaling17:41
afazekasAt gate time until we do not get normal parallel test execution, it would be difficult to do17:42
afazekasProbably some heat tests needs to be switched periodic, but we will see17:43
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dkranzafazekas: Yes, longer running scenario tests should be on our radar screen.17:44
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afazekasdkranz: Yes, so probably we will need find some good balance , how and when to run the heat tests17:45
dkranzafazekas: We just need the test plan. Once we know what is to be run we can decide how and when.17:46
afazekasLog time ago I got little more input from heat guys, I'll try to add some summary to the blueprint17:46
dkranzafazekas: That would be great. In my view of the world, every blueprint would contain a complete test plan ideally.17:46
giulivoafazekas, yeah I think we should try to find the scope of the tests firstly17:46
afazekasdkranz: ok, I try to collect the infos17:46
dkranzI understand that is not realistic in many cases.17:47
afazekasdkranz: The heat  team has high level, concept . But it enough to see, what is coming, and what kind of changes might be necessary17:48
dkranzafazekas: OK, good.17:48
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dkranzANything else17:50
dkranz ?17:51
dkranz#action David will send email to the list about choosing leader17:51
dkranzGoing once...17:51
psedlakand maybe about testr status? or giulivo wants to send it ...17:52
dkranzpsedlak: I can send that too.17:52
dkranz#action David will request status of testr on the list17:52
dkranzGoing twice...17:52
psedlakbye :)17:52
dkranzBye all. I think there may be no meeting next week, at least from US participants.17:53
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dkranzJuly 4 holiday.17:53
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harlowja#startmeeting state-management20:00
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harlowjahallo all!20:00
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harlowjahi hi20:01
harlowjaso i guess we got enough of the major people, others feel free to chime in :)20:02
harlowjaso lets see, action items from last time20:02
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harlowjaseems like most of them were *started/completed*20:02
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harlowja#link is forming up pretty nicely20:03
harlowjathx adrian_otto and others20:03
harlowjaalso just got some examples going20:03
kebraylate, but I'M HERE.20:04
harlowja (nothing super duper yet)20:04
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kebraywoah.. caps lock went crazy.  sorry.20:04
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jluccihaha Just thought you were really excited to be here. : P20:04
kebraythat too jlucci20:05
harlowjakebray DEEP BREATHS20:05
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harlowjakebray just going over action items that i think were pretty much all mostly done20:05
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harlowja#link was yours which seems like its starting to shape up20:05
harlowjawhat else, ummm, i put some comments on but waiting for zane to get back to discuss more20:06
kebrayMy other action is happening organically.. and, with Zane out, I think we are progressing well for now.20:06
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adrian_ottoI left an open question unanswered on that20:06
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adrian_ottoon the HacanaSummitPresentationAbstract I had mentioned a need for a mission statement20:07
adrian_ottoKeith followed up with a question asking for clarification20:07
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harlowjaya, all coming back now20:07
* kebray thinks mission statement isn't needed since we aren't proposing TaskFlow for an OpenStack top-level project.20:08
adrian_ottoI meant that if it were to be considered as what is now being discussed as an "OpenStack Program" that it wold need an individual project mission statement20:08
adrian_ottothat's right, it's not needed for the current scope20:08
kebrayIt'll be needed when we expand scope to something more like Convection.20:08
harlowja"take over the world" not allowable as a mission statement?20:08
adrian_ottowhere my remark matters is where Joshua pulled in the reference to Thierry's proposal email to the openstack-dev mailing list20:08
adrian_ottoso is that clear? I'm suggesting we table that.20:09
harlowjasure, thats fine with me20:09
kebrayWorks for me.20:09
adrian_ottoand cross taht bridge when we come to it20:09
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harlowjasounds great20:09
adrian_ottoI'm happy to switch topics to  now20:09
harlowjasure, lets jump there and see how much to talk about20:10
harlowja#topic continued-heat20:10
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harlowjaso theres a few on there that i'll have to talk to zane about, or just in general20:10
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harlowja"Tasks propagate exceptions" is a little awkward when u have many tasks running in parallel, what happens to the potential X exceptions that can pop out20:11
harlowjawhere X >120:11
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harlowjaand some of them on that requirement list seem pretty subjective, so need to understand those more clearly20:12
harlowja'Tasks don't make debugging unnecessarily difficult' for example20:12
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harlowjabut i think all those can be discussed and either removed or clarified20:12
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harlowjaany comments/concerns/questions from others?20:13
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adrian_ottoWe should probably revisit the requirements when Zane is available to discuss them20:13
jlucci+ 120:13
adrian_ottothere are enough details present to remind us once we understand them20:14
adrian_ottobut that's by no means a spec20:14
adrian_ottomany are subjective20:14
adrian_ottoso those will need to be expanded to include some concrete criteria by which to measure confirmance20:14
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adrian_ottolet's not go overboard, but ther eis enough in question so that it's not actionable without refinement20:15
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adrian_ottoI think we have enough to avoid going in a completely different direction though, so I'm happy we have something in writing.20:15
harlowjaya, it seems like we have been thinking along the same lines20:16
harlowja+- a little20:16
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harlowjasweet, onto next topic?20:16
adrian_ottook, so can we commit to action items relating to building usage examples?20:17
adrian_ottoI see that in our critical path for adoption20:17
harlowjasure, i've started some of them, but not alot20:17
adrian_ottowithout that, we will carry the burden of doing all the implementations, rather than empowering the other projects to leverage what's there20:17
harlowja#link to start20:17
harlowjabut ya, it needs more20:18
kebrayI believe Angus may have volunteered to start some as well.20:18
harlowja#action harlowja  make some more examples20:18
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harlowjaif everyone adds 1 example, that would be lots of examples ;)20:18
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kebrayI don't want to commit him to any actions… but, will be great if he chips in.20:18
adrian_ottois Angus present now?20:18
kebraydoubtful.. it's early am for him.20:19
harlowjaso i'll try to keep on adding more examples20:19
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adrian_ottook, who;s best to follow up with him to politely request one?20:20
kebrayHe volunteered last night on the Heat channel IIRC.20:20
adrian_ottook, let's take an action to follow up next week then20:20
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harlowjai can ping him later to see if he has had any luck, but maybe wait a day or 2?20:20
adrian_ottoso ithe offer does not go stale20:20
kebrayagreed on the wait a day or two.20:20
harlowjais the location of those examples fine, or should we place elsewhere??20:21
harlowjapotentially someday we could have a site or somethign20:21
kebrayI think they belong in github personally, as part of the in-repo documentation.20:22
kebrayWe can link the wiki to the appropriate file on github.20:22
harlowjaworks for me20:23
adrian_ottoI will volunteer to dress up the example section on the TaskFlow wiki page to describe each example in more detail (catalog style)20:23
harlowjathx adrian_otto20:24
harlowja#action adrian_otto  dress up examples on taskflow wiki20:24
harlowjaalright, next big topic that i have20:24
harlowja#topic release20:24
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harlowjaam thinking when we can have or should we have some type of taskflow alpha release20:25
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harlowjaso that the basic usage by cinder could possible go through20:25
harlowjaand what do we want to recommend to be in that release (and when)20:26
harlowjaor do we want to wait...20:26
harlowjaand how do we want to release if we do20:26
kebrayharlowja:  interested in your thoughts first… as, you're implementing the Cinder one :-)20:27
adrian_ottowhat's up with the −1 from Duncan Thomas?20:27
harlowjasure, that refactoring was more of restructuring into tasks, simple linear flow, with a memory backend, now if we had a simple db backend working, then we could say have a release with just that, and keep the rest as a WIP, orrr, we can do the copy/paste path and just move the needed/used taskflow modules into cinder20:29
harlowjaor release to pypi in a little with the other flows, but let others know that those aren't done yet20:30
jlucciI'm sort of leaning towards the pypi release20:30
harlowjaadrian_otto i think the duncan thing was just a logic chang that he found20:30
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harlowjaso jlucci i guess if we lean toward the pypi release, that requires that we have things mostly working, and the defintion of mostly :-P20:31
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ehudtrRegarding the cinder refactoring - how do you plan to address "Eventual addition of resumption logic to recover from operations stopped halfway through."20:31
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jlucciYeah, I'm working on fixing up distributed to "fully functional" right now20:32
harlowjaehudtr so that requires a 'transcation log' concept, which we have accounted for in taskflow (in a few different ways)20:32
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harlowjaso once u have a "transcation log" u can know what to resume from and where20:33
harlowjajlucci kebray kchenweijie do u guys think like another week we can have things mostly working? its ok if we strip some not so working things out for the release20:33
ehudtrDon't you want the tasks to be idempotent20:33
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harlowjajust if it goes on pypi people will be like thats broke and file a bug20:34
jlucciI'd say yes for things on my end20:34
kchenweijiei can say yes for what im working on20:34
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harlowjawe can talk about anything that we might need to strip out if we need to20:34
harlowja*graph_flow* cough20:34
harlowjanobody is using it right now anyway (and this parallel stuff removes the need for it)20:34
harlowjaehudtr so in an ideal world everything is idempotent, but i don't think that ideal world exists so much :-/20:35
kchenweijieharlowja: i can agree with that. its not cooperating with me right now...20:35
harlowjakchenweijie u broke python though, ha20:35
kebrayShould we align with H2 release?  Or is July 18 too far in the future?20:35
ehudtrif you are only logging then you may do the task twice20:36
harlowjaehudtr sure, there are cases where idemptoent does work, just it becomes a real pain in a stateful system, ideally such a stateful system wouldn't exist, but it seems to20:36
harlowjakebray i wouldn't mind trying to align with H220:37
harlowjaand seeing what happens20:37
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harlowjawhich does bring up a good question20:37
harlowjai'll be in NY july12->20th20:37
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harlowjabut jlucci will have it all covered ;)20:38
kebrayehudtr:   if a task is, let's say, a POST api call to another service (I'm speaking generically, not Cinder specific), then the task can't be idempotent me thinks.20:38
jlucci Totally. I'll just leave everything on fire till you get back20:38
kebrayMaybe we should shoot for July 11 :-)20:39
ehudtrall the chain needs to be idempotent20:39
harlowjaso does it seem fine to try to see what we can get done by next thur meeting, and then access from there for a release?20:39
harlowja*or july1120:39
harlowja*assess not access, lol20:39
harlowjasp suxage ;)20:39
jlucciI'd see what we can get done by next meeting, then decide from there a release date20:39
kebrayworks for me.20:39
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harlowjaehudtr so it'd be nice to have all chains idempotent, but i think thats outside taskflows control20:40
harlowjaso we need to at least provide a mechanism for when they aren't20:40
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adrian_ottoidempotency is a pipe dream without redoing basically *all* of OpenStack to coonfirm to taht design principle20:40
kebrayYeah.. we can't enforce idempotency in the TaskFlow library I don't think… because, the user of the library creates the tasks… so, no guarantee they'll be idempotent.20:40
adrian_ottowe can't reasonably expect that at this stage20:41
kebrayyeah, what adrian_otto said.20:41
harlowjaagreed, it'd be really nice and would make stuff easier, but in the meantime something like a transcation log helps20:41
kebrayehudtr… curious if maybe I don't understand your use case though… would like to know more if we can help.20:41
harlowjanot just for resuming, but for analysis of whats going on...20:41
adrian_ottothe best we can hope for is a place to put rollback code, and execute it upon failure20:41
harlowjaadrian_otto agreed20:42
adrian_ottoI don't want to suggest that idempotent systems are impossible, but I think that's really got to be out of scope for this effort.20:42
harlowjaehudtr the other thought here is that a developer using taskflow can potentially provide there own "resumption" strategy, and if u don't provide one, then thats fine, but u'll have to make your tasks and downstream services be idempotent (which is actually really hard)20:43
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adrian_ottoyou can do coarse grained resumes as well20:43
adrian_ottothey are less efficient, but you basically roll back to the last checkpoint, and proceed again fram there20:44
adrian_ottoand you leave it up to the calling code where to define checkpoints20:44
adrian_ottootherwise it's task by task20:44
harlowjaya, its tough to enforce any which way :)20:45
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harlowjaok, so onto next topic stuf20:45
harlowjaactually more of open topics i guess20:45
harlowja*since not super important*20:45
harlowja#topic open-dicuss20:45
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harlowjaso any feedback on would be cool, its a similar flow as jlucci distributed one, but runs locally instead20:46
harlowjait has similar problems, but would likely be a solution for heat (instead of heats coroutines)20:47
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harlowjaright now it will run a 'thread' per task in the job, which might need reworking (but might be ok with greenthreads)20:47
harlowjathat can be adjusted if we feel neccasary with a different way of running the flow20:47
adrian_ottothat's actually what Zane has implemented in his stuff in Heat with the coroutines20:48
adrian_ottoso it would be wise to collect his input20:48
kebrayharlowja I still haven't looked at it in detail, but conceptually I'm fine with it… my main goal is to get the interface correct such that we use the 34488 approach to gain adoption into Heat, but swap out the backend as needed.20:48
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kebrayshort hand for
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harlowjathx :)20:49
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harlowjaya, the interface is nearly matching the other flows, but not 100% yet20:49
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harlowjapretty close though20:49
kebraybecause, to run this at service provider scale, I'm placing my bets on the work jlucci is doing.  So, we need to plug that into TaskFlow as "our" back-end to running Heat Tasks.20:49
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harlowjaalthough i could imagine something like nova just wanting to use the parallel flow, since the conductor + mq 'concept' is pretty similar to celery (in a way)20:51
harlowjaso if they switch to parallel flow, with tasks being ran, then eventually they just switch to celery20:51
harlowjaand *magic*20:51
kebrayIf your implementation runs at scale, that's cool too :-)   jlucci will still give us the added ability to modify the graph on the fly while a workflow is executing.  speaking of which, I need to think up some real world use cases for harlowja on that.20:51
harlowja#action kebray real-world cases for modification on the fly20:52
harlowjai agree, just thinking that existing openstack projects form there own 'celery' in a manner, so we should make sure without refactoring all of those projects that they can still take advantage of some of the benefits20:52
harlowjaand slowly refactor them toward this model (as that model proves itself)20:53
harlowja*then profit*20:53
adrian_ottowhich of those are we aware of?20:53
adrian_ottoIt would be nice to actually put together a roster of those20:53
harlowjathe openstack projects?20:53
adrian_ottothe "Own Celery" implementations in various projects20:53
adrian_ottoI'd like to speak about thaem in less abstract terms20:53
harlowjaah, well that gets into the gray area of when does a project seem to be creating its own celery :)20:54
harlowjabut ya, maybe we could form something (?? how to avoid it being controversial??)20:54
adrian_ottoI'm suggesting that we produce a list of known task implementations20:54
adrian_ottoand provide some informed guidance about which of those are a good fit for Taskflow20:55
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harlowjasure, that seems reasonable20:55
adrian_ottoor ask around for some20:55
harlowjasure, some of them are still being formed as we speak i think20:55
adrian_ottosince we really care about boosting the quality of OpenStack and making it easier for various projects to benefit from a shared collaborative solution20:56
adrian_ottook, so let's find some way to describe them20:56
adrian_ottoeven if they are wip20:56
kebrayMaybe we can collaborate on this.. for example, I can probably get one of the trove devs to write up something tiny on their task execution within Trove.20:56
kebrayAnd at least provide a link to the code where it's implemented within Trove.20:56
harlowjasure, i can try in the nova meeting to see if anyone there wants to, maybe john garbutt?20:56
harlowjasince he's been doing that WIP20:57
harlowjaheat we already seem to know about20:57
adrian_ottothis exercise can help make it really clear where this can fit, and why it needs to be community property in OpenStack20:57
kebrayYeah, the longer the list, the more repetitive the code, the more the need for common code.20:57
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harlowjai did start a while ago, but its pretty low level, not at the high level that i think u guys are thinking of20:58
adrian_ottoit may be a little early to put too much energy into this, but we can build it opportunistically20:58
harlowja#action harlowja  see if i can work with the nova folks to get some kind of requirements or list of task like stuff there20:58
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harlowjasure, depends on how busy people are and all that20:59
harlowjai can write up some stuff on nova (from what i know) but it will probably be biased and may not be what those folks believe is correct20:59
harlowjaalright, next time lets see what we have figured out21:00
adrian_ottoout of time21:00
kebray#action kebray to see if someone from Trove can provide a high level sentence or two (and link to code) on their task execution code, desires around a common library, etc.21:00
kebraydang it.21:00
kebrayjust missed.21:00
harlowjaoops, u still in21:00
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harlowjaya, my bad typing, ha21:00
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russellbwho's around to talk about nova?21:01
cyeohrussellb: hi21:01
harlowjayo, quickly brb, but i'll be there21:01
russellbwelcome all21:01
russellb#topic blueprints21:01
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russellbhavana-2 is set to be released in 3 weeks21:02
russellbwhich means the merge deadline is about 2.5 weeks away21:02
russellbi started moving blueprints to havana-3, starting with ones still marked as "Not Started"21:02
russellbwe still have 74 :-)21:02
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russellbso, let's spend some time going through some of them and talk about their status21:03
russellbcyeoh: hi!  we've got lots of v3 api blueprints.  i believe we were originally targeting to finish it by havana-221:03
russellbcyeoh: how is it looking?21:03
cyeohwell not too bad, I don't think that all will get merged by H221:03
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cyeohbut certainly most will be in review21:04
russellbok.  so if it'll all be in review, then feel very confident about havana-3 at least?21:04
cyeohI think we have probably around 60 or so changesets in the review queue at the moment? I haven't had a close look today21:04
cyeohyea, that was my main reason for setting a fairly aggressive H2 goal - to make sure we make H321:04
russellb#help biggest hold-up on v3 api blueprints' progress is getting reviews.  close to 60 in the queue21:04
russellbat least most of the conversions are pretty easy to review IMO21:05
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cyeohthe things at the end that are more uncertain are the increased tempest testing and documentation21:05
cyeohbut we had that discussion around xml/json - and it will be a matter of prioritising what is most important21:05
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russellbso, how about novaclient support?21:05
russellbis that on the radar at all?21:05
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cyeohwe don't really have anyone explicitly assigned for novaclient work.21:06
cyeohWill need to see how things look post H221:06
russellb#action need to create a v3 api novaclient blueprint and find someone to work on it21:06
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russellbas for docs, primarily the api docs part right?21:07
cyeohyes, and smaller things like guides on how to write a v3 extension21:07
russellbhopefully much of the api part can be autogenerated like we do for v2, but it will be some work21:07
russellbat least it could be worked on late if needed21:08
cyeohyes, have to sort out exactly what we need and the changesets will be big if anything like v221:08
russellbso biggest thing you need is reviews?21:08
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russellbanything else?21:08
cyeohis this an ok time to bring up the status of nova-network? It does sort of impact exactly what needs to be ported for v321:08
cyeoh(yes reviews is the biggest thing)21:08
russellbvishy: you around?21:08
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russellbvishy has the "deprecate-nova-network" blueprint21:08
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vishyso there hasn't been much progress so far21:09
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russellbafaik, not a ton of progress there, so it's a little up in the air ...21:10
russellbi'm still of the opinion that we should assume quantum for v321:10
russellbv2 isn't going away yet21:10
russellband hopefully we can kill it when we kill nova-network21:10
russellbhappy to hear other opinions if someone wants to argue otherwise ...21:10
russellbsorry, had a network blip21:10
cyeohit looks like there are some extensions around which don't support quantum and only nova-network. If we don't have nova-network in Havana then do they need to be ported?21:10
vishyrussellb: +121:10
russellbvishy: ok cool21:10
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vishyi would leave all the network stuff out of v321:10
cyeohok thanks21:10
russellbok great21:10
russellbcyeoh: anything else?21:10
bpbI have a status update on the Cinder volume encryption blueprint
bpbWe (APL) are currently working with Cinder folks to store encryption metadata (e.g., an encryption key id) with the volume21:11
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bpbThis is needed to support special Cinder features21:11
cyeohrussellb: just that re: the proposed in/out of core - anything without a -1 (which I think is everything now) we're just going ahead with21:11
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bpbWe expect to submit an updated version of our code next week, but it will be tight for getting it accepted into Havana-221:11
cyeohother than that nothing else21:11
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russellbcyeoh: ok, i'd like to review each of those if i can, so tag me on the reviews21:11
russellbbpb: ok, cool.  sounds like good progress, though!21:11
cyeohrussellb: ok21:12
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russellbbpb: should we leave it on the havana-2 list, or go ahead and bump it?21:12
russellbbpb: well just let me know21:13
russellbcomstud: you around?21:13
russellbcomstud: you have a high prio blueprint on havana-2 for the native mysql db driver21:13
comstudi am21:13
bpbRussel: We're still shooting for Havana-2 - sorry for the spamming21:13
russellbcomstud: that going to show up?  or should we bump it?21:13
russellbbpb: cool, sounds good, thanks!21:13
russellbbpb: i'm afraid a batch of stuff will get bumped because of review bandwidth in the last days ... so we'll see21:14
comstudno, it's not going to make 2 i guess21:14
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russellbstill havana-3?21:14
comstudyeah, i'll make it happen.21:14
russellbok cool21:15
russellbdansmith: you have a ton of objects patches coming through, want to give an update?21:15
comstudi wanted objects to be stablized a bit before doing the work21:15
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russellbeven though it's not targeted at havana-221:15
comstudwell, committing the work...21:15
dansmithrussellb: yeah21:15
russellbcomstud: makes sense21:15
dansmithrussellb: I was actually going to say, I'm pretty sure "objectify all the things" isn't going to make all of H anyway,21:15
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comstudbut to satisfy some people, I probably should also prove sqlalchemy is a huge problem.21:16
comstud(more than I already have)21:16
dansmithso maybe we should cut up some smaller sub-blueprints to go underneath the main one21:16
russellbdansmith: yeah, or rescope the main one you have now to what you think is achievable for havana21:16
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dansmith"make all of H" ?  "make H"21:16
russellband then we can have icehouse-objectification or whatever21:16
dansmithrussellb: sure, I can do that21:16
russellbok cool, sounds good to me21:16
dansmithrussellb: I'd like to try to get something small targeted for H2,21:17
dansmithto show progress,21:17
dansmithbut I'm not sure what that would be right now21:17
russellbdansmith: ok, feel free to create a blueprint if you can think of something21:17
comstudgosh i really hope I can step up my game here soon wrt objects21:17
russellbconvert instance or something?21:17
dansmithcomstud: me too, sheesh man! :P21:17
comstudi know, right?21:17
dansmithrussellb: nah, that's too big I think21:17
russellbdansmith: k21:17
russellbwell, just let me know what you come up with :)21:17
dansmithrussellb: "nova-api uses objects" maybe21:17
russellbbut i like the idea of having something in havana-221:18
dansmithcomstud: just kidding <321:18
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russellbcomstud: he's not kidding21:18
comstudi know21:18
comstudi'm not21:18
dansmithhaha, nah, I am, I promise21:18
russellbok, on to something else21:18
russellbwe've got a ton21:18
russellbalaski: hey, you've got a high prio one21:18
russellbmaking scheduler queried instead of a proxy service21:18
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alaskiThere's one review up for a new scheduler call21:19
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alaskiWorking on making conductor use it now.21:19
alaskiBut all the work should be under review soon21:19
russellbsounds good then!21:19
russellbneed anything?21:20
russellb(other than review on what you have up..)21:20
russellbi'd take money too21:20
alaskisame as everyone else, reviews21:20
russellbyeah, i feel like we're behind on reviews21:20
russellbsort of a different topic though ... maybe we can come back to it21:20
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russellbtimello: hey, i saw you join21:21
russellbtimello: how about your cold migrations to conductor refactor?21:21
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russellbjohnthetubaguy: hi!21:21
russellbjohnthetubaguy: and your live migrations to conductor refactor?21:21
johnthetubaguyin a related front, live-migrate has got some stuff in, other bits are in reviews, little bits not done yet21:22
johnthetubaguymain sorry is the orchestration with the TaskFlow lib, can't see that getting in too soon21:22
russellbi wasn't considering that part of this personally21:22
johnthetubaguyyeah, its probably next time sadly21:22
russellbcould reconsider it in the Icehouse release21:23
johnthetubaguyI was hoping to get tasks that detected the service got restarted, but yes, that should be I now21:23
johnthetubaguyits looking more like H-3 I guess21:23
russellbstill havana-2 achievable?21:23
russellbok, i can move it21:23
johnthetubaguywell, its damm close at least21:23
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johnthetubaguyleaving H-2 for now may help the reviews :P21:23
johnthetubaguythere is stuff to review now at least, and bits to finish off21:24
johnthetubaguyanyways, was wondering about the cold migration21:24
russellbyeah, pinged timello21:24
russellbtimello: speak up if you're back and we can come back to cold migrations21:24
russellbanyone else have a blueprint you'd like to give an update on?21:25
russellbor one you'd like to ask about?21:25
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russellbin general, please help me out by making sure your blueprint status is accurate21:25
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mrodden is "pretty much done"21:25
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mroddenjust waiting on reviews and a change to merge in Oslo21:25
harlowjajohnthetubaguy let me know about how i can help make sure taskflow helps u :)21:25
russellbmrodden: cool, so need review ...21:25
harlowjaat your service ;)21:25
russellblooks like we have it marked properly21:26
johnthetubaguyharlowja: will do, just looking like I now21:26
russellband hopefully we can get it reviewed..21:26
mroddenyea. if it gets bumped to H3 if we don't have enough review bandwidth21:26
mroddencould we bump the priority up in that case?21:26
harlowjajohnthetubaguy agreed21:26
russellbmrodden: yeah, that happened in G, right?  that's fine21:26
russellbmrodden: you'll have to remind me21:27
mroddennp, i have people reminding me daily...21:27
russellbanyone else?21:27
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russellbalright, next topic21:28
russellb#topic bugs21:28
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russellbwe have about 60 new nova bugs, and 47 novaclient bugs21:28
russellbwe really need someone to take on triage of novaclient, kind of like we have owners for tags21:29
comstuddan and I filed a lot of bugs for work that needs to happen for objects21:29
russellbanyone willing?21:29
comstudnot sure how many we left 'new'21:29
russellbcomstud: cool, have a tag for them?21:29
russellbcomstud: objects?21:29
russellbso, i also noticed that my filter i've been using for untagged bugs is silly21:29
russellbit misses stuff if someone added their own tags21:29
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russellblike grizzly-backport-potential, or whatever random tags they come up with21:30
dansmithrussellb: yeah, do you know how to get that tag to show up in the list on the right?21:30
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russellbso some cleanup to do ...21:30
russellbdansmith: i do, i have to make it an official tag21:30
dansmithoh, pretty please?21:30
russellbdansmith: ping me later and i can21:30
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russellbso, in addition to really needing someone to own novaclient21:30
russellbnetwork could use some work ... 17 network untriaged bugs21:30
russellbarosen: ^^^21:30
alaskirussellb: I'll help with novaclient bugs21:31
russellbalaski: awesome!!!  much appreciated, it's something we've long neglected21:31
russellbalaski: can you update the wiki page?21:31
russellbanother is libvirt, 9 new bugs to triage there21:31
russellbapi has 6 to triage21:31
russellbcyeoh: ^21:31
russellband compute has 521:32
russellbmelwitt1: ^21:32
russellbhartsocks: 4 on vmware21:32
hartsocksI see 'em21:32
johnthetubaguydo we want a bug day post H-2 to try and tidy up a bit?21:32
russellb4 for volume integration ... nobody has taken that tag yet21:32
johnthetubaguyor should that be, pre H-2, maybe21:32
russellbjohnthetubaguy: not a bad idea ... bug days seem to be helpful ... as long as they're not too often21:32
johnthetubaguy+1 for not too often21:33
russellbwe had a really good one, then another the next week and nobody did anything :)21:33
russellbso we stopped, and then came up with this tagged approach to split up the work21:33
russellbso anyway, triage!21:33
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johnthetubaguyyeah, I remember now21:33
russellbany specific bugs worth talking about?21:33
russellbi found this one while triaging today:
russellbhave a fix for master written i think, just need to add tests21:34
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russellbeither i'm totally missing something, or this hasn't worked in ages21:34
comstudguessing the latter21:34
alaskiQuick question on triaging:  if it's a feature request what's the best way to "close" it?21:34
johnthetubaguyhmm, that was the feature no one remembered getting added right21:34
russellbalaski: good question ... typically put it as Confirmed+Wishlist if it seems reasonable21:35
russellbjohnthetubaguy: has been there since the dark ages of 2011 at least21:35
russellbalaski: more detailed notes on that kind of thing on the main BugTriage wiki page21:35
alaskiOk.  I've been using Invalid+wishlist, but confirmed is nicer :)21:35
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russellbalaski: yeah ... and then we have a BugTriage task on the main page to go back and close out old wishlist bugs21:36
russellbor, mark them Opinion+Wishlist i think21:36
russellbwhich is effectively closed21:36
johnthetubaguycool, that answers my question21:36
melwitt1yeah, I think we said invalid means like never look at again21:36
russellbOpinion is like ... "maybe"21:36
russellb"it's not you, it's me"21:36
russellbany other bugs?21:37
russellb(i know we have plenty of them, but rather, any that you want to discuss?)21:37
russellbalright, subteam time them21:37
russellb#topic subteams21:38
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russellbhartsocks: sup!21:38
hartsocksSo I'll spam y'all again with our reviews on Friday… on the mailing list. Fun right?21:38
russellbfine with me21:38
russellbso you need reviews :)21:39
russellbneed anything else?21:39
hartsocksSome of us need to clean up our acts… after the last reviews :-)21:39
hartsocksWe're hashing out some of our BP's and such. H2 is going to be optimistic at the rate we're moving.21:39
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russellbhartsocks: ok.  let me know what should be bumped21:40
hartsocksI'll keep beating the drums.21:40
russellbi like drums21:40
hartsocksOur highest priority BP is:
hartsocksBut we're still hashing out how to pull it off.21:40
russellbthought there was a patch up already?21:41
johnthetubaguyah, we were thinking cells at one point21:41
russellbjust still WIP?21:41
russellbjohnthetubaguy: yeah i'm still thinking that long term...21:41
johnthetubaguyrussellb: gotcha21:41
russellbjohnthetubaguy: still some design work to do there to define a driver layer21:41
hartsocksThe review is up. IIRC there's still one point to work out.21:42
russellbhartsocks: ok21:42
russellbjohnthetubaguy: i'm interested in it, but haven't made much progress ... more just looking around and thinking about it some21:42
johnthetubaguyrussellb: cool, its a tricky one, think comstud mentioned federated cloud stuff too, probably worth trying for both21:43
russellbso ... may end up a design summit brainstorm session21:44
russellbwe'll see21:44
johnthetubaguyanyways, yes, lets not get distracted21:44
russellbk :)21:44
russellbhartsocks: anything else?21:44
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russellbn0ano: hi!21:44
n0anohi, not much to say, we had a very quiet week, I just came here to tell everyone nothing to tell :-)21:45
russellbk :)21:45
russellbharlowja: what's up21:45
harlowjahey hey!21:45
russellbdevananda: preemptive ping, you're up next21:45
harlowjaso mainly just continuing stablizing, and hoping to get 0.1 release out for h2 so that cinder can integrate, keeping in touch with heat folks about back and forth on heat usage21:46
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russellbok, and sounding like we won't be ready to look at using it soon ...21:46
harlowjathinking it'd be nice to get more nova folks that have some ideas on what or how nova could use it involved21:46
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russellbbeen busy getting the code into the right places where it could be considered21:46
harlowjawhich is step #1 i think21:47
johnthetubaguyharlowja: hopeing to get some time to help with that21:47
harlowjathx much johnthetubaguy  :)21:47
harlowjaso thats about it :)21:47
russellbdevananda: around?21:47
devanandarussellb: hi!21:47
russellbhow goes ironic / baremetal?21:48
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devanandaso, not much to report progress wise. I'll be out next week (EuroPython) and we're probably not going to have anything ready for H321:48
russellbuntil h3?21:48
devanandakind of in that middle-slump period right now :(21:48
russellbor not anything for h3?21:48
devanandanot anything for H321:48
devanandaiow, not until early "I" at this point21:48
russellbso, need to look over these baremetal havana blueprints that were kind of pending what happens with ironic21:49
russellbno rush, but when you have some time, let me know what we should do with them (if you can't update them yourself)21:49
devanandanova baremetal continues to get worked on by a few folks, particularly they have been adding better redhat support21:49
russellbyeah, saw a patch go up today from dprince i think21:49
devanandaack. i'll try to get to the BPs in the next week21:49
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russellbneed anything?21:50
devanandanot from nova21:50
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devanandai have a ping out to glance folks for some reviews :)21:50
russellbis the db team still meeting?21:50
devanandadripton ostensibly took that over, but i haven't heard anything in a bit21:50
russellbhe's out this week21:50
devanandaif it's not meeting and folks need me to restart it, let me know21:50
russellbboris-42 (and his team) has been doing a bunch21:51
russellbcode wise i mean21:51
devanandayea! i've been trying (and failing) to keep up with their flood of reviews :)21:51
boris-42I will write today a big mail21:51
boris-42in mailing list21:51
russellbboris-42: on status?21:51
boris-42where I would like to describe not only status=)21:51
boris-42but also future plans=)21:51
russellbsounds good21:51
boris-42and not only in nova=)21:51
boris-42I think that IRC is not good enough for it=)21:52
russellbheh, just be careful not to make plans so big that you can't make progress :)21:52
russellbbaby steps!21:52
boris-42yeah=) I will write our baby steps!=)21:52
russellband while you're here21:52
russellbPCI passthrough?21:52
russellbworking on that?21:52
boris-42I publish yesterday21:52
russellboh, cool21:52
boris-42bunch of botch+)21:52
boris-42didn't sllep for 2 days=)21:52
boris-42to get all work + meeting + this stuff=)21:53
boris-42And now I am not able to sleep21:53
boris-42and I drink already a lot of alcohol but it seems doesn't help=)21:53
boris-42to fat=)21:53
boris-42for alchol=)21:53
russellbyeah ummm21:54
russellbhope you're able to sleep soon then :)21:54
russellb#topic open discussion21:54
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russellbso one thing that was mentioned a bunch was needing reviews21:54
johnthetubaguyso, xenapi: no update really anyways21:54
boris-42I hope we will have enough time in Havana to provide UC and DB Archiving in Cinder and Glance*21:54
russellbjohnthetubaguy: sorry!21:55
russellbi came up with these stats to help determine if we were keeping up:
johnthetubaguyrussellb: no worries, its quite quiet, I got a few bits in21:55
russellband have a goal of having average of < 4 days21:55
russellbaccording to the stats, we're "keeping up"21:55
russellbbut, 296 open21:55
boris-42I have about 7=)21:55
russellbsome probably keep getting rebased and stuff, and that resets the counter21:56
johnthetubaguydo we track anything from the last non-WIP or draft to merge?21:56
johnthetubaguyI get lots of forced rebases, which might make it look like I was waiting less?21:56
russellbjohnthetubaguy: the numbers are the wait time on the current patch rev21:56
russellbupdate it, restarts the counter21:56
boris-42by the way Russell21:56
johnthetubaguyyeah, just wonder if its worth checking the other one too?21:56
russellbso ... not sure how to account for that21:56
boris-42test-db-api is almost finish!21:56
russellbboris-42: awesome!21:56
russellbjohnthetubaguy: from the last non-WIP/draft to now?21:57
boris-42^ 3 patches on review21:57
russellbjohnthetubaguy: yeah, might be an interesting alternative stat to have to see how it differs21:57
johnthetubaguyrussellb: yeah, that might be worth tracking, see if it means anything21:57
boris-42there should be I think 1 or 2 more pathces21:57
boris-42And we will finish this BP21:57
johnthetubaguyrussellb: thinking thinking about my patch that took over a month21:57
russellbbut ... happy to hear any ideas people have on improvements in this area21:57
boris-42it was really hard=)21:57
russellbboris-42: yeah, has been a lot of patches21:57
johnthetubaguyrussellb: it looks good though21:58
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mriedemis there any way to query on the LOC in a review?21:58
mriedemi.e. if it's small, maybe quick to review but you don't know from the message...21:58
russellbbtw, how come the patch waiting the longest is mine?21:58
russellbharsh guys21:58
boris-42small doesn't mean simple21:58
* hartsocks nods21:58
mriedemno, but trying to think of 'low-hanging-fruit' reviews21:58
russellbmriedem: not that i know of21:58
mriedemi.e. i had a docstring fix that sat for a week21:59
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boris-42I think that all patches should be reviewed21:59
mriedemnot that i care about it getting merged, but it's an easy one and getting it merged would get it off the list21:59
boris-42in the same priority21:59
jog0mriedem: the only way I know of is bring it to #openstack-nova and ask and hope21:59
russellbmriedem: though i generally don't want to give weight to low hanging fruit21:59
russellbmriedem: that results in harder stuff never getting attention21:59
boris-42no.. i think that LOC shouldn't be priority21:59
russellbboris-42: agreed, ideally21:59
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mriedemagree, was just thinking about metrics, not pushing to spend time on easy stuff...22:00
russellbsort of depends on the reviewer too though22:00
mroddendoes a +1 or 0 score reset the timer at all?22:00
boris-42I think yes22:00
mroddenor just last upload/ -122:00
russellbmrodden: no22:00
russellblast upload or -122:00
mroddenok. makes sense22:00
* johnthetubaguy looks at watch22:00
russellb(actually, it's when jenkins gives its check report, not upload, because stupidly upload time isn't available)22:00
russellbso jenkins is the next best timestamp :(22:01
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bnemecrussellb: You have a question from sdague on that review that should probably be answered. ;-)22:01
mroddenaccurate enough... most people wait for jenkins anyways22:01
russellbbnemec: ha22:01
bnemecProbably explains the long wait.22:01
hartsocksI was considering carving time to help with reviews. From how metrics work, sounds like I should only −1 things if I want to help? (I'm not core)22:02
russellbhartsocks: +1 is helpful too22:02
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boris-42dansmith ping22:02
jog0hartsocks: definitly22:02
russellbbecause as you build up trust with the team, others don't have to spend as much time revieweing after they see your +122:02
jog0(to +1)22:02
russellbthat's effectively the patch to nova-core22:03
hartsocksI'll patch the path.22:03
mriedemrussellb: maybe another way of phrasing my thoughts on the review metrics, say there is 'low-hanging-fruit' reviews that have been +1'ed by a few people, they just need some eyes from cores, but i don't want to bug people,22:03
russellbbut i definitely pay attention to +1/-1 from *everyone*22:03
dansmithboris-42: is it something for the meeting? else, we should talk in -nova I think22:03
russellband consider them differently depending on who it is22:03
mriedemor does that go back to not wanting to spend time on those types of reviews?22:03
boris-42dansmith yes about unified models22:04
boris-42and PCI Passthrough22:04
boris-42russellb ^22:04
dansmithboris-42: okay22:04
boris-42I would like to finish it=)22:04
russellbmriedem: in those cases, people ping in #openstack-nova a lot ... and that's fine22:04
boris-42so probably could we merge it as is now? and then I will move to unified models22:04
mriedemrussellb: ok, i wasn't sure, didn't want to get a reputation for asking cores to look at stuff like that in -nova22:04
boris-42because there is a two others group that would like to improve my current soultion22:04
mriedemif it was a bad thing22:05
boris-42and they are blocked=)22:05
russellbyeah, i mean, honestly it does bug me sometimes22:05
russellbif it's a ping to me directly22:05
boris-42dansmith ^22:05
russellbbut maybe it's just because i get them constantly22:05
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mriedemi'll bug dansmith :)22:05
dansmithboris-42: well, I didn't -2 it, but I was just saying it would be nice to avoid adding new conductor methods just to remove them again soon22:05
russellbbut just a general comment in nova not directed at me isn't as annoying :)22:05
mriedemha, ok22:05
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dansmithrussellb: it's cool, I can smack him around behind the firewall :)22:05
russellbdansmith: nice22:06
russellbalright, well, we're a bit over time22:06
russellblots of good discussion today22:06
boris-42russellb dansmith so I should move to unified models?22:06
russellbthanks a lot everyone for coming!22:06
russellbwe can keep chatting in #Openstack-nova22:06
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russellbboris-42: let's chat over in -nova22:06
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boris-42thanks russell=)22:06
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russellbjohnthetubaguy: g'night, thanks for coming!22:07
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johnthetubaguyrussellb: no prob, was good conversations22:08
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