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n0ano#startmeeting scheduler15:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jul  2 15:00:28 2013 UTC.  The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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n0anoShow of hands, anyone around for the scheduler sub-group?15:00
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n0anoLooks like we'll keep up via the mailing list.15:06
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Jul  2 15:06:28 2013 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:06
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-07-02-15.00.html15:06
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-07-02-15.00.txt15:06
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-07-02-15.00.log.html15:06
jgallardhi all15:06
jgallardsorry for the delay15:06
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jgallardno scheduler meeting today?15:07
jgallardn0ano, sorry for the delay, there is no scheduler meeting today?15:07
n0anojgallard, no one else admitted to being there so I guess no, no meeting today15:07
jgallardah :(15:08
n0anodid you have anything specific for today?15:08
jgallardcan I ask you a question?15:08
n0anosure, go ahead15:08
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jgallardit's about the mail you sent http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-June/010458.html15:08
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jgallarddid you get some interesting inputs?15:09
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n0anoThis is still an open issue, there is debate on fan out message vs. DB for maintaining compute node state...15:10
n0anoI prefer fan out messages (I REALLY dislike DBs) but there some vocal voices on the mailing list proposing DB...15:10
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jgallardin fact I don't understand the arguments agains fanout messages15:11
n0anoI need to do some research on the current code and then fire up the debate on the mailing list again15:11
jgallardfanout messages seems to be a good way15:11
n0anoThe ones I've heard are latency (should be the same as DB access) and, with multiple schedulers, you have an explosion in the number of messages to send, neither argument is persuasive to me.15:12
jgallardI'm not convinced about these arguments too15:12
n0anoThen I'll expect you to blindly agree with everything I say on the mailing list - right :-)15:12
n0anoI'm hoping for a lively discussion15:13
jgallardI have to check the code more precisely in order to have a strong opinion15:13
jgallardCurrently my opinion is just made with the args provided in the mail15:13
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n0anothat's where I am, I'd love to hear your views after you review the code to see if we still agree15:13
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jgallarddid you know a about the [openstack-dev] [nova] Nova scheduler code refactoring15:15
jgallardmaybe it can interesting to discuss this at next meeting?15:15
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n0anoI missed that but I'm not too concerned, that should just be rewriting the same functionality, I'm more worried about how the scheduler works but it would be good to discuss next week15:17
jgallardok yes15:18
jgallardI was thinking that perhaps the fact to rewrite the same functionnality will open new interesting doors (for instance for scalability)15:18
jgallardbut I not sure about that15:19
n0anoI'd think that unlikely, the refactoring shouldn't introduce new functionality, if so they should provide new BPs for the changes, anything else is sliding things in through the back door15:19
jgallardok. I got it15:20
jgallardyou'r right15:20
* n0ano hopefully the back door saying is clear, silly coloquialisms15:20
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jgallardgreat, thanks a lot for this nice tchat15:21
n0anoNP, hopefully we'll have more people next week.15:21
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senhuangsorry i am late15:23
senhuangis it finished?15:23
jgallardhi senhuang15:23
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senhuangjgallard: Hi15:23
jgallardyes, the meeting was canceled15:23
n0anosenhuang, yeah, no body came so I canceled for this week15:23
senhuangI see.15:23
senhuangI am leaving Cisco and my colleague Debo will take over my work on scheduler15:24
senhuanghe will join the meeting in the future. :-)15:24
n0anobummer (I hate training new people :-) will you be working on something other than cloud?15:24
senhuangtempararily away from cloud15:25
n0anowell, good luck in your new endeavors15:25
senhuangbut cloud is everywhere15:25
senhuangthank you!15:25
jgallardsenhuang, ahaha :)15:25
senhuangjgallard: it is a small world. :-)15:26
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jgallardsenhuang, :)15:26
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senhuangjust want to say thank you and it has been great working with you guys. :)15:28
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schwichtprimeministerp: hi ...16:01
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zehicle_at_dellquiet week in the US16:06
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zehicle_at_dellPrimeministerp is on vacation16:06
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schwichtok, so no meeting?16:06
zehicle_at_dell#topic OpenStack HyperV16:06
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zehicle_at_dellI don't have anytopics, but it's worth opening it up to coordination16:07
liuxpeiI want to confirm one thing, can I bring up in this meeting?16:07
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NobodyCamttx: you around?16:09
liuxpeifor live migration for hyperv, on documentation, I see that it claimed formally for "shared nothing" live migration, we have also verified that work, one of my team member also tried "SMB shared storage" live migration, and he said it also works on hyperv16:09
ttxNobodyCam: yes?16:09
liuxpeiwant to confirm if "shared storage" live migration is already supported or not in the latest code?16:09
NobodyCamI wanted to let you know that I will proxy for devananda today in the meetings!16:09
ttxNobodyCam: ok16:10
NobodyCam:) Ty16:10
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liuxpeizehicle_at_dell: I am not sure if anyone in today's meeting know about that?  I know Alessandro contributed "live migration" code at first...16:12
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zehicle_at_dellagree - I dont know current status16:14
liuxpeithat's ok :)16:14
zehicle_at_dellthere's also a question of havana vs grizzly.  I thought it was a havana feature under dev, but would love to be corrected16:14
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stevemarkeystone time17:59
gyeelike keystone beer17:59
lbragstad^ +117:59
stevemarnot bad gyee, not bad17:59
henrynash#meeting keystone18:00
henrynashhi all18:00
gyeehenrynash, use #startmeeting18:00
henrynash#startmeeting keystone18:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jul  2 18:00:31 2013 UTC.  The chair is henrynash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:00
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henrynashdolphm is off, so is ayoung, I think18:00
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topolwho's the commanding officer??? Ain't it you Henry?18:01
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henrynashI believe 'tis me18:01
gyeeis anyone know if Malini still working on key manager?18:01
henrynash#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting18:01
henrynash( some of this is hang over from last time, not updated i expect)18:02
atiwarigyee: I dropped her an email did not get any response18:02
henrynashReminder: Havana milestone 2 cut & API-level feature freeze July 16th18:02
henrynashReminder: Start using the SecurityImpact tag in gerrit18:02
bknudsondolph seemed to indicate API freeze is only for core, not extensions18:03
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stevemarbknudson: yeah, i was under the same impression, saw that in his email18:03
gyeebknudson, I thought he meant both18:03
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gyeeat least from the last meeting18:03
henrynashbknudson: so originally he told me that it DID include extensions, but recent email suggest that this is replaced18:03
bknudsonmaybe he's finally resigned to reality.18:03
gyeetotal recall18:04
henrynash#topic High priority bugs or immediate issues?18:04
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bknudsonhe probably thinks he's involved in a plot on mars right now.18:04
henrynashany burning issues?18:04
gyeecode review? I need to catch up on that too18:05
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henrynash#topic High priority code reviews - aimed at H218:05
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stevemarits already on the list, but delegated_auth is ready for code review18:06
henrynashso I have one for sure that I am trying to get in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/3461118:06
gyeestevemar, that includes both keystone and keystone client right?18:06
stevemargyee ^ if you have free time18:06
topolhenrynash I will review it today18:06
henrynashstevemar: it's an extension, right?18:07
stevemargyee: yeah, just search for stevemar as owner: or ping me and i'll give you links.18:07
stevemarhenrynash: yes18:07
gyeek, will get on them18:07
fabiocatalog opt out: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33188/18:08
henrynashsteveamr: so great for H2 if we can, but would be allowed for H3 (according to latest guidance)18:08
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stevemarhenrynash: yeah, hoping for H218:08
henrynashfabio: is there an api spec change that goes with that?18:09
henrynashstevemar: H2 is always better than H3 118:09
fabiospec changes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34478/18:09
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fabioI also have done the spec change and code for the endpoint filtering bp18:09
fabiospecs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34489/18:10
fabiocode: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33118/18:10
henrynashfabio: we really need the api's agreed asap if this is going in to H218:10
fabioI agree18:10
fabioso far I incorporated all the suggestions18:11
henrynashfabio: I don't see a new version of the api posted after comments from Brant18:11
fabioI will push them in the early aft18:11
fabioare we ok in using the query string?18:11
fabiofor opting out of the catalog?18:11
henrynash #action review new versions of  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34478/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34489/18:12
gyee+1 for query string18:12
bknudsonseems weird to use a query string but I'm ok with whatever others want.18:12
gyeefor a GET function, query string is RESTi18:12
bknudsonit's not GET, it's POST18:13
bknudsonwe've already got the body to provide all the options, so why spread them around to the query string.18:13
gyeewait, that authenticate or validate?18:13
bknudsonthere's no validate... https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/catalog-optional18:14
bknudsonunless we were discussing another use of query options something else?18:14
gyeebknudson, yeah, I am ok with having it in the request body18:15
atiwarigyee: +118:15
topol+1 on request body18:16
henrynash#action fabio: wok with bknudson and gyee to update api18:16
henrynash#action fabio: work with bknudson and gyee to update api18:16
henrynashok, any other key H2 api changing reviews needed?18:16
atiwariany thought about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/serviceid-binding-with-role-definition18:17
atiwarifor H218:17
gyeeI like the service-role relationship18:17
henrynashatiwari: so if it is going to be accepted for H, it must be in for H2…18:18
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bknudsonunless we provide it an extension in H?18:18
bknudson"it as an extension"18:18
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henrynashbknudson: agreed!18:18
gyeeI am fine with extension18:18
atiwarino, I am looking for core18:18
bknudsonIt can be core in I18:18
atiwariplease see my comments in etherpad18:18
henrynashatiwari: link?18:19
gyee#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/serviceid-binding-with-role-definition18:19
atiwari#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/serviceid-binding-with-role-definition18:19
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henrynashatiwari: what about the comment about: How is this exposed to auth_token (and similar clients)?18:20
atiwariauth_token or auth middle ware ?18:21
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atiwariI added my response over there18:21
henrynashatiwari: both18:21
gyeeservice_id is in the roles18:21
atiwariand the token with have the service_id: role info18:22
henrynashok, so right now we return a list of role_names in a token18:22
atiwarilater it will be ({service_id:"Swift","role":"Admin"}18:22
atiwariSwift === 123418:22
henrynashatiwari: so every project will have to change how it process tokens to pass them to their policy engines?18:23
gyeehenrynash, no, policy engines only knows role names18:23
gyeeservice ID is a filtering mechanism18:23
atiwarithere will abosolutly no change for service18:23
gyeeauth_token -> filtered by service ID -> RBAC18:24
henrynashgyee: any who does the filtering?18:24
gyeehenrynash, middleware/client18:24
atiwariservice will consume roles the way they do it right now18:24
henrynashgyee, antiwar: so I am just nervous about changing our token format18:25
gyeedefine nervous :)18:25
henrynash(antiwar->atiwari !)18:26
topolnervous = people coming after us with torches and pitchforks18:26
atiwarimay be we can un touch the token for H time frame18:26
gyeetopol, in that case, all you have to do is change your username, like lopot :)18:26
atiwarilets make it in core and in I time we will change token18:27
topolyeah, that'll keep me safe. no one will see thru that18:27
henrynashgyee: so I'll admit I don't have the history to fully understand how all the projects extract info from the token18:27
gyeeunless you username is bob18:27
bknudsonpeople around here know how to find topol18:27
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gyeehenrynash, service ID used to be part of role definition, prior to KSL18:27
henrynashgyee: udneratnd how auth middleware works, sure18:27
henrynashgyee: KSL?18:28
gyeeKeystone Light18:28
henrynashahh, keystone liygt18:28
bknudsonstill not sure why this can't be an extension for H18:29
atiwarihenrynash: auth middle ware will filter only those roles which are need to the service which middle ware is serving to18:29
henrynashbknudson: I'd certainly lean that way18:29
gyeeatiwari, any reason why it can't be an extension to start with?18:30
gyeeit would certainly make henrynash feel less nervous18:30
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henrynashgyee: and I always appreciate that :-)18:30
atiwariI don't see any side effect of having it in core18:30
atiwarias it is backward compatible18:31
atiwariwhat I am saying is in first phase let s not touch our token18:31
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gyeeatiwari, but can it be an extension, rather than it must be core18:32
bknudsonhow do we not change the token?18:32
henrynashatiwari: I also see the issue that as core you have 14 days to get it all agreed, implemented, merged with all the other high priority items hitting in the next 14 days18:32
topol+1 on starting as an extension18:32
atiwariyes, that is the real challenge18:32
bknudsonauth_token isn't going to know what to do if there's nothing new in the token.18:32
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atiwarilet's take it for ext18:33
atiwarihow about that ?18:33
henrynashok, I think tha's the best approach18:33
henrynash#action antiwar to re-propose serviced role extensions as an extension for H18:34
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henrynashfyi on other H2 items, I do plan to try and get the OS-INHERIT extension in, but if it slips to H3 then so be it18:35
henrynashanything else on H2?18:35
henrynash#topic client unification and identity v3 support18:36
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henrynashthis is ensuring we have support for our v3 apis in other cli clients18:37
henrynashthe keystone client v3 auth stuff is all in now18:37
bknudsondo the other clients have the same policy to use unified cli as keystone?18:37
henrynashbknudson: you mean use openstackclient?18:37
bknudsonI tried using openstack cli the other day and couldn't figure it out.18:37
bknudsonhenrynash: yes, the openstackclient.18:38
bknudsonI should have said the other projects (nova, glance, etc)18:38
gyeebknudson, but what about at the lib level18:38
henrynashbknudson: so I'd hope so….but have to admit I don't see much action in that direction18:38
bknudsonare we talking about the lib or the clis ?18:38
gyeeboth I suppose18:39
bknudsonwe're probably going to need the libs to use keystoneclient auth first...18:39
gyeehave to be consistent18:39
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henrynashbknudson: so we need clis that support v3 (which means we wan them to use our v3 libs, of coriuse)18:39
bknudsonthe libs seems like the place to start.18:39
henrynashbknudson:…and I think our libs are in good shape now, no?18:40
gyeeis keystoneclient fully implemented the V3 API set?18:40
bknudsonseems like this is something the core members of keystone should know...18:41
bknudsonbut I don't.18:41
henrynashgyee: I believe so…we pushed a bit change in a week or tow ago18:41
henrynash..pushed a big change...18:41
bknudsonsupport for v3 auth was the recent change.18:41
bknudsonseems important for keystone18:41
bknudsonbut this is what the other client APIs would need to use.18:42
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gyeelets comb through the keystoneclient code to see if we have all the core APIs at least18:42
henrynashbknudson: exactly18:42
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henrynashbknuson: there was some uncertainly last time I raised this as to whether the other clis (nova, dance) etc, use our client libs….I was told they did18:43
bknudsonmy understanding is that they don't, but I didn't look into it.18:43
topolwasnt there an email that did an inventory of this?18:44
henrynash…in which case the task for them is sot switch to the v3 client libs and update the cli options so users can specify things like domains18:44
topolthey were like all different18:44
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bknudsonthe clis should also all use the same "library" for the auth options.18:44
bknudson(provided by python-keystoneclient, maybe)18:45
tiamarglanceclient implements keystoneclients, the others dont18:45
henrynash#action cores: to do a quick check of the keystoneclient lib…see if you can spot anything missing18:45
gyeebknudson, looking at novaclient code, they seem to support auth plugins18:45
henrynashgyee, timar: i would think nova and glance would be our #1 and #2 targtes18:46
gyeehenrynash, make sense18:46
henrynashtiamar: do you work with the glance client?18:47
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bknudsonAt the end of this, we would expect to be able to do something like "nova --user-domain=mydomain --user=bknudson --password=mypassword list"  , for example18:47
henrynashtiamar: as in familiar with the code and contributors18:47
henrynashbknudson: yep18:47
tiamarhenrynash, we did an internal job to the clients authenticate using keystone v318:48
gyeethat bakes a question, why keystoneclient not part of oslo then?18:48
gyeeif that's a common integration point18:48
topolgyee +118:48
tiamarhenrynash, : i'm not familiar18:48
henrynashgyee: interesting18:49
bknudsonpython-keystoneclient is already a library... not sure why it needs to be an oslo libarary?18:49
gyeebknudson, what is oslo then?18:50
gyeeI mean functionally18:51
bknudsonoslo provides their common libraries, and then there's oslo-incubator18:51
bknudsonlike oslo.config is a common library18:51
henrynashso pretty sure for H, we won't change this18:51
henrynashthe path we were on was:18:51
henrynash1) we would release new version of python-keystone client that contained the new v3 auth18:52
henrynash2) we would work with the other project clis to use the client lib18:52
bknudsonjoin the euro-zone already18:53
henrynash#action henry-nash to follow up on status of this and discuss with other cli leads18:53
henrynash(oops, not sure where the money came from!)18:53
gyeeso just the v3 auth apis, not the whole shebang18:53
topolI could use some sterling guvnah18:54
henrynashgyee: well would the other apis ever get used by another cli?18:54
gyeeprobably not18:54
bknudsonthe openstack cli uses the libs18:54
gyeeso does it make sense for v3 auth to be in oslo?18:54
topolgyee, why wouldnt it?18:55
topolits common right? Or we want it to be common18:55
gyeetopol, it should18:55
gyeethe common crypto stuff is already there18:55
henrynashgyee: that would makes some sense, just the v3 auth part18:55
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gyeeauth should be there as well18:56
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henrynashanyone have a reason why v3 auth shouldn't be in oslo18:56
bknudsonthat's a good candidate for the SecurityImpact tag.18:57
bknudsonI don't see what we gain by putting it in oslo... they can already access it in python-keystoneclient.18:57
bknudsonare we saying oslo-incubator ?18:57
bknudsonIf we put it in oslo-incubator, now we have to go through the work of importing it into all the other projects18:58
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gyeeconsistency, common integration point, stable interface (hopefully)18:58
henrynashgyee: hmm, so that's different18:58
henrynashOK, 2 mins to go18:58
bknudsonThere's probably other keystoneclient function that should go in a common location...18:59
bknudsonservice catalog handling18:59
henrynash#topic open discussion (!)18:59
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gyeebknudson, sure18:59
gyeeI think catalog should be there as well18:59
gyeecatalog parsing18:59
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henrynashI think we'll have to continue that discussion elsewhere19:00
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jeblairhello ci/infra folks19:01
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jeblairmordred, fungi: ping19:02
clarkbmordred is potentially on a plane19:02
jeblair#startmeeting infra19:03
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:03
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jeblairlast meeting:19:03
jeblair#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-06-25-19.01.html19:03
jeblair#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting19:03
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jeblair#topic Rename of the project formerly known as mutnuaq19:03
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jeblair#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/neutron-renaming19:04
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jeblairmarkmcclain started an email thread with a few folks with a proposal for an alternate process19:04
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jeblairmordred and i batted that around a bit and come up with a revision of that19:04
jeblairmarkmcclain: does the latest revision there look good?  should we add it to the wiki page?19:05
markmcclainI've going to more to the page19:05
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markmcclainit's the plan we kicked around with a little more info and links to the (pending) reviews in the task list19:06
jeblairhere's what i sent (for folks not on the email thread): https://etherpad.openstack.org/vM4mUupvWl19:06
jeblairmarkmcclain: cool.  should we go ahead and branch quantumclient?19:07
markmcclainnot quiet yet.. I can ping you when it's ready19:08
jeblairmarkmcclain: ok.  of course we can just branch at any time from whatever sha, so timing isn't critical.19:08
ttxyes, moving the latest plan to the page would be a good idea19:08
jeblair#action markmcclain update wiki page with latest repo move plan and links to changes19:08
ttxbeen receiving a few questions about it already19:08
ttxmarkmcclain: quantum-core LP team can't be renamed yet because you have a mailing-list on it19:10
jeblairyeah, i would have added it earlier, but didn't get a lot of feedback via email, so didn't want to jump the gun on publishing it to the wiki19:10
clarkbjeblair: the quantumclient branch is there purely to provide a backward compatible code location?19:10
ttxmarkmcclain: you still using that ?19:10
markmcclainttx: ok.. that shoud be easy to address19:10
markmcclainyou and I coordinate on it19:10
jeblairclarkb: yeah, it's there to receive a future change in step 6 that adds compat shims, etc, and we will manually publish a final quantumclient package from that branch19:11
jeblairclarkb: meanwhile, master will become neutronclient19:11
ttxmarkmcclain: I think the only way is to remove it completely19:12
ttxmarkmcclain: LP MLs are hard beasts to kill19:12
clarkbttx: markmcclain we could create a new list on lists.o.o and push everyone that direction19:13
ttxclarkb: or just drop the elite list19:13
clarkbor that19:13
markmcclainI think we can kill the LP list19:14
ttxthen I'll just remove quantum-core. The group is maintained on gerrit anyway19:14
jeblair#action ttx remove quantum-core lp team19:14
jeblairanything else about the neutron rename?19:15
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jeblair#action jeblair propose neutron repo rename changes19:15
jeblair(to the infra/config repo)19:16
jeblairmarkmcclain: thanks for stopping by!19:16
jeblair#topic Asterisk19:16
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jeblairi started a ml thread19:17
fungii saw. it's generated useful discussion i think19:17
markmcclainjeblair: happy to19:17
jeblairmy reading is that we should probably run asterisk 11 on centos19:17
jeblairdid anyone else get something else out of that?19:17
fungithat is what i got from it19:17
clarkb++, though pabelanger's puppet will need cleaning to support that19:18
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fungisince we've already got centos going in for cgit, it won't be the first non-jenkins-slave centos server choice for us19:18
jeblairyep, we are sliding down that slope.  and fast.19:19
fungiso seems an entirely reasonable solution to the issue19:19
dhellmannwhich ML is that thread on?19:19
jeblairdhellmann: openstack-infra19:19
dhellmannaha, ok19:19
fungithe alternative was apparently debian, once 11 is cleaned up enough for them to accept it. ubuntu's packages have apparently slipped out of regular maintenance19:19
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jeblair(which i find personally distressing)19:20
jeblair#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2013-July/000115.html19:21
jeblairdhellmann: ^19:21
* dhellmann was told that mailing list wasn't used ;-)19:21
jeblairso i'll follow up to that thread19:21
fungidhellmann: you should flog whoever told you that19:21
fungiit's just nicely low-volume19:22
dhellmannnp, I just hadn't bothered signing up yet19:22
jeblair#topic Need of MongoDB >= 2.1 for Ceilometer (jd__, fungi)19:23
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jeblairfungi: ?19:23
fungijd__ wanted to talk about options for a newer mongodb on ubuntu precise19:23
fungiapparently the one there is well behind the one on centos 619:23
jd__I'm building patches using MongoDB >= 2.1 for Ceilometer19:23
jd__yep, CentOS has 2.2 and Precise 2.019:24
fungizul suggested ubuntu might be able to carry a raring backport to precise in the cloud archive19:24
clarkbit sounded like there are vendor packages and zul could potentially add them to cloud archive?19:24
fungiand yes, 10gen supposedly also has some debs we could use instead19:24
jd__zul could do backport from 2.2 or 2.4 I imagine, which are in raring19:24
fungiwe just wanted to get a broader consensus on what would be doable/preferable19:25
jeblairi think cloud archive sounds like the way to go... part of what we want to uncover by setting the supported testing platforms the way we did is breakage on different os platforms19:25
fungianother fallback alternative was to only test mongodb under python 2.6, which would ensure it happens exclusively on centos19:25
jeblairso if openstack is going to require (or even optional-require, which i think is the case here), we should try to stick to the base os as much as possible19:25
fungibut yes, that misses the different platforms thing19:25
jd__so best thing to do is like pinging zul to get things moving into Ubuntu I guess?19:26
jeblairjd__: yeah, i think that's the best way to go.19:27
fungii think we also need to resurrect the old task/patch to add cloud archive on our precise slaves, yeah?19:27
clarkbjd__: sounds like it. Then once the new packages are in the cloud archive we can make sure those packages end up on the slaves19:27
jd__sounds like a good plan to me19:27
jeblairfungi: yeah, if we didn't merge that.19:27
fungiwe abandoned the attempt back when we wanted to use quantal, then we decided we didn't want to use quantal19:27
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jeblairmordred: any thoughts on this subject?19:28
fungipretty sure it was never revisited at that point19:28
mordredreading scrollback19:28
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jeblairmordred: since you o/'d...19:28
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mordredoh, I was just indicating that I was now online and here19:28
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mordredbut I think we should ping zul about cloud-archive19:28
jeblair#topic open discussion19:29
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jeblairthanks to everyone who came to the bootcamp19:29
pleia2it was great :)19:29
anteayathanks for having it19:29
dprincethanks mordred for going to all the trouble.19:29
fungiyes, i'm thrilled it went so well19:30
clarkbI suppose it is worth mentioning that Thursday is a US holiday so it will be quiet around here for many of us19:31
jeblairyes, i'll be afk19:31
fungioh! right, i'll be incommunicado for a good chunk of tomorrow (flying to tampa)19:32
dhellmannyeah, I got a lot out of it, so thanks for organizing and hosting us!19:32
clarkbme too, Thurday and Friday I will be mostly AFK. But back for Saturday fun19:32
fungiyes, i've cleared at least a couple hours saturday starting at 1600z19:32
fungii'll hack from the hotel as needed19:32
jeblairmaybe we could swap in a new zuul on saturday too19:32
fungii'm game19:33
jeblairperhaps even one that reloads its configuration instantly19:33
clarkbthat would be so shiny19:33
fungireloads its configuration before you even knew you wanted to update it19:33
ttxand finds acceptable new name all by itself19:33
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jeblairttx: hehe, i wonder if we could make a gate check for project names... :)19:34
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ttxmake them googleflight and choose the looser.19:34
fungiand then we could name that gozer19:35
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jeblairhuh.  duckduckgo has a really cool api.19:35
jeblairanything else, or shall we call this meeting done?19:37
clarkbI don't have anything. Been trying to get through lots of code review so not much new19:37
pleia2I don't have any updates19:38
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jeblairclarkb: yeah, that list got long again19:38
fungiyep, lots to review19:38
fungii keep getting nose-down in other stuff and then look up and it's a mile long19:38
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jeblairthanks everyone!19:39
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ttxWho is around for the TC meeting ?19:59
* NobodyCam is19:59
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shardyshardy here19:59
ttxrussellb, jd__, markmc, galstrom, mordred, markwash, jgriffith, vishy, gabrielhurley, markmcclain: around ?20:00
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ttx#startmeeting tc20:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Jul  2 20:01:05 2013 UTC.  The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:01
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ttxAgenda for today is at:20:01
ttx#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee20:01
ttx#topic "Programs" definition and define initial set20:01
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ttxthread is at:20:01
ttx#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-June/010950.html20:01
ttxIt's been a wordy and confused thread, largely my fault20:02
ttxlet me summarize it20:02
mordredmeh. it's a hard thing to get right without making things to nit-picky20:02
ttxMy initial try at it was ripped off as a bit integratedrelease-centric20:02
ttxWe have a number of ways forward that would be generally compatible with the current bylaws/charter:20:02
ttx(1) is to consider that "Programs" and "Projects" are two different types of things, with "Projects" producing at least a server/integrated IaaS piece and needing to go through incubation, while "Programs" do not20:03
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ttx(2) is to consider that everything is a "Program", with the TC imposing program incubation on a case-by-case basis (those having the main goal of producing a server/integrated IaaS piece would almost always go through incubation)20:03
ttx(3) is to consider that everything is a "Program". Some programs produce an integrated/server project, and that project (not the program) would still go through incubation20:03
mordredI like 3. it seems to expres reality the best20:03
ttxPersonally I like (3) because it gives us flexibility, and preserves most of the project/incubation concepts as defined in bylaws/charter while not being elitist about it20:04
mordredand expresses what we're already doing more than any of our previous things have20:04
annegentlettx: I like non-elitist and inclusionary20:04
mordredannegentle: ++20:04
markmcI'm fine with 3, except the idea that we'd have multiple server projects under a program20:04
markmce.g. merging Nova and Quantum into a program20:04
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annegentlemarkmc: what's a server project again (I know it was in the ml thread but I'd like to hear more 'splanation)20:05
ttxmarkmc: that would make no sense, since those are different teams20:05
mordredI'm perfectly fine with a program having multiple server projects - but I think that's a fight for later if it comes up20:05
markmcannegentle, nova, glance, etc. - anything with a REST API20:05
ttxannegentle: pieces that might become "core"20:05
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markmcttx, right20:05
mikalOption three also means that a program can have more than one project, and not all are integrated by default20:05
markmcnow, (1) is the most incremental option20:05
mordredmikal: yeah. like oslo or infra20:05
markmcleave server projects as they are, introduce programs for other stuff20:05
ttxmarkmc: solution (3) definitely leaves things open, so you should expect refinement20:06
mordredI thnk that's what I like about it - it doesn't get to legalistic and nitpicky20:06
* ttx puts solution (3) text on etherpad, just a sec20:06
NobodyCammordred: +1 it doesn't get to legalistic and nitpicky20:06
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dhellmannit also defines boundaries for programs based on the feature area rather than based on how code is organized20:07
ttxtext @ https://etherpad.openstack.org/programs-draft20:07
notmynameI also like 3 because the concept of "programs" as "stuff needed for us to fulfill the mission" is a self-limiting group. it doesn't grow without bounds20:07
ttxnote that solution (3) means Trove and Ironic would be established as programs, since they have a project in incubation20:08
* NobodyCam notes20:08
mikalWhat does a program get?20:08
mordrednotmyname: ++20:08
annegentlejust wondering "aloud" -- what if vagueness causes more confusion and a rush of applications?20:08
mikalDoes that mean a long term commitment to a summit track for those programs?20:08
mikalEven if incubation fails?20:08
mordredmikal: stuff it produces//works on granks atc status and it gets to put things into the openstack/ namespace20:09
mordredlike, working on a program == working on openstack, even if you aren't hacking on nova20:09
ttxI think if incubation really fails (and is not merely delayed), we would consider removing the program20:09
mordredand yes to what ttx said20:09
markmcmikal, the TC can't really make a commitment about summit time, we don't run it20:09
jgriffithttx: +120:09
mordredbut I think that there will be programs without incubation things20:10
ttxmarkmc: well, we kinda run the Design summit.20:10
markmcso, what's "our mission" ?20:10
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markmcttx, kinda, but we don't decide how many days/rooms/etc. there'll be ... without bounds anyway20:10
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ttxmarkmc: the openstack project mission is defined and I think still valid20:10
markmcttx, yep, just can't find it off hand20:10
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markmcttx, unless you mean the foundation's mission20:10
mordred    To produce the ubiquitous OpenSource Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable.20:11
ttxhttps://wiki.openstack.org ?20:11
markmccool, thanks20:11
jgriffithmordred: hehe...20:11
annegentlemikal: we had a lot of discussion in the IncUp about what you "get" when you're integrated20:11
mordred"simple to implement" may still need work20:11
annegentlemikal: that might help20:11
* annegentle looks for those notes20:11
markmcmordred, indeed20:11
ttx(FYI galstrom proxies dolphm's vote)20:11
galstrom(sorry for being late)20:12
mordredgalstrom: o hai dolphm20:12
ttxIs version 3 as described on the Etherpad acceptable for everyone ? Shall we vote ?20:12
annegentlettx: what release management does being a program qualify the program for?20:12
markmcttx, are you saying we don't add any mention of programs to our charter?20:12
annegentlemikal: see line 113 of https://etherpad.openstack.org/IncUp20:12
mikalannegentle: thanks20:12
mordredannegentle: release management is for integrated projects, I believe20:13
ttxmarkmc: hmm20:13
markmc"under the oversight of the TC" vs "not mentioned in the TC charter" ?20:13
jgriffithttx: so I guess my question with this is how is it really different than what we're doing already?20:13
annegentlemordred: right and if we take away "projects" what happens to release management20:13
mordredannegentle: I do not believe we are taking away projects20:13
annegentlemordred: ah ok20:13
ttxjgriffith: what we're doing already is operating in a bit of vacuum.20:14
mordredjgriffith: it's not. it just captures an area where we don't have a place to do things and have been doing them by force of good will20:14
jgriffithttx: mordred suppose those are very good points20:14
ttxwe've been struggling to create project categories20:14
ttxto match reality20:14
jgriffithttx: mordred but we seem so concerned/worried about applying definitions/buckets to anything that I don't know what we solve here really20:14
mordredif we notice no appreciable difference in our lives after this, we've done our jobs well20:14
jgriffithmordred: I disagree20:14
markwashit also opens up the possibility that we could better promote traction behind an incubating project by accepting the program it is living under20:15
jgriffithmordred: I would argue that we haven't done our jobs20:15
mordredjgriffith: not trying to add a bucket ... more trying to find a path to bless some efforts that don't have server projects associated with them20:15
ttxjgriffith: "programs" actually let us remove categories20:15
markwashwell s/incubating/pre-incubating/20:15
mordredmarkwash: yes. indeed20:15
jgriffithmordred: ttx ok20:15
ttxSee "OpenStack projects" under https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/TechnicalCommittee20:15
jgriffithmordred: ttx perhaps I'm just not seeing the bigger picture, and I agree 100% about inclusion20:16
ttxjgriffith: programs let us be goal-oriented rather than repo-oriented20:16
markmcjgriffith, the specific example here is tripleo - how does it transition from something that we all generally approve of, to something officially recognized20:16
markmcjgriffith, aside from incubating a server project20:16
mordredand without us having a conversation about every little repo it might produce20:16
ttxmarkmc: I guess you are right, we need to get rid of that chapter of the charter and replace it with a description of programs20:17
jgriffithmarkmc: sighh... Yeah, I get that point (sort of)20:17
mordredsort of like how infra generates new repos weekly, but doesn't need to come to the TC each time20:17
markmcttx, I'm fine with us doing that later, just that it does need to happen20:17
notmynameseems to be a halfway step to the "categories" model that we were just discussing a few weeks ago (which is another reason I like it)20:17
mordrednotmyname: ++20:17
jgriffithI guess the issue is I still have the unpopular notion of core versus other etc20:17
markwashhow does #3 affect incubation again?20:17
mordredmarkwash: incubation for projects is still as before20:17
jgriffithpersonally it's hard enough to "explain" OpenStack as it is, let alone with everything but the kitchen sink thrown in20:18
mordredif a server project wants to become part of the integrated release, it needs to come to the TC and apply for incubation20:18
markmcmarkwash, server projects go through incubation still20:18
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ttxmarkwash: teams that work on project X would apply to become a program and we'd answer "yes, and X goes through incubation"20:18
ttxso it's basically the same20:18
markwashI guess I'm a bit hazy about what a "server project" is. . I understand the current example, but "having a rest api" seems a bit too specific20:19
dhellmannor "yes and X should be part of an existing program"?20:19
jgriffithttx: mordred markmc but I do see your points20:19
hub_capso how does this affect, if at all, us projects in incubation?20:19
notmynamemarkmc: seems to make sense that the programs would be incubated and then they can produce the code and repos necessary for them to fulfill their own mission20:19
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markwashI'm not sure we have to resolve the incubation problem right now though20:19
markmcnotmyname, I think ttx's definition is that programs get accepted, then any server projects they produce go through incubation20:19
ttxhub_cap: your effort becomes a "program" which produces trove and python-troveclient20:19
notmynamehub_cap: it's very simple. everything doesn't change, except where it does20:19
hub_caphah notmyname20:20
mordrednotmyname: haha20:20
hub_capttx: makes sense. and then we can remove trove-integration from the openstack github, eh?20:20
ttxlet me have a try at a charter wording change20:20
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mordredhub_cap: you can remove that when your integration tests are part of the normal set of them20:21
markmcthis would be much more fun if we were in a room together20:21
markmcttx drafting the charter changes20:21
hub_capmordred: shhhh20:21
markmcwhile we all sit there and .... stare20:21
markmcno pressure ttx20:21
mordredmarkmc: we should totally have weekly onsite meetings20:21
notmynamemarkmc: why are client libraries or docs (ie official deliverables of openstack) different than "server" projects? seems a distinction without a difference. either all should be incubated or all should get approval from being in a program20:21
markmcmordred, I'm all for it20:22
mikalmordred: heh, that would comsume three days of my week each time20:22
markmcnotmyname, we've only ever incubated server projects, why is that?20:22
mordrednotmyname: well, client libs have a different release cycle20:22
dhellmannnotmyname: good point. where does the unified command line fit?20:22
* jgriffith votes for first meeting in Boulder Co :)20:22
mordrednotmyname: because the server release cycle for client libs would be the worst idea ever20:22
hub_capon a tractor jgriffith?20:22
mikaljgriffith: Hawaii is more central20:22
jgriffithhub_cap: indeed.... although I was thinking horseback :)20:22
markmcnotmyname, the fact that they end up defining an API that cloud users interact at is a big distinction, I think20:23
mordrednotmyname: I think our 'release' has always been 'the software you need to run a cloud'20:23
* jgriffith likes the point made by mikal 20:23
mordredmikal: ++20:23
markwashttx: I think I have resolved my confusion. . from the current charter it seems like we still need a section that says "integrated projects are things part of the coordinated release, and incubated projects are repos that are in the process of becoming integrated projects"20:23
notmynamebasically, if we are approving a community, not lines of code, then the incubation should apply to the community and procedures, not the linter's view of the python20:23
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mordrednotmyname: I don't think we're approving a community20:23
markwashttx: the key feature (of incubated projects) being not whether or not a repo has a rest api, but if it needs to be part of a coordinated release20:23
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mordrednotmyname: I think we're approving a mission or an outcome or a direction of work20:24
notmynamemordred: ok, I'll buy that20:24
ttxmarkwash: incubation is actually not described in the charter at all, since it's more a process20:24
markwashttx: oh maybe I'm confusing the charter with something else then20:24
markmcmarkwash, see the debate on the thread about whether oslo and docs are part of the release20:24
markwashttx: I was reading https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/TechnicalCommittee20:24
markwashduh, obviously that is not the charter20:25
notmynamemordred: but doesn't the idea of approving programs that "can create any code repository and produce any deliverable they deem necessary to achieve their goals" kinda make "incubation" a weird concept?20:25
markmcmarkwash, s/oslo/oslo libraries/20:25
notmynamemordred: especially if by contributing in a program you are considered an ATC20:25
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mordrednotmyname: I don't think so - I think that incubation is about including the output of one or more of those repos into the thing that we integrate and release as a cloud20:25
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mordrednotmyname: currently, contributing to tempest and openstakc-infra gets you ATC- both are clearly 'working on openstack' the project20:26
notmynamemordred: sounds like beta features in a release20:26
mordrednotmyname: but neither are part of our coordinated release20:26
ttxhah, those charter changes are not trivial20:26
mordredbecause releasing either one makes no sense20:26
ttxI need to spend more time on thaht20:26
notmynamettx: this surprises you? :-)20:26
mordredttx: I'm disappointed in your ability to spit out legalese!20:27
ttxnotmyname: I don't really expect a conflict, it's just that I need to make sure to catch all corner cases20:27
mordredttx: so - can I make a suggestion?20:27
ttxLike "Project Technical Leads" that would become "Program technical leads" ?20:27
mordredttx: with the board, we vote on the motion itself, and then the lawyer goes back after and makes the legal language work20:27
notmynamettx: "so I'll just make this small change to this threadpool code. probably doesn't have any major side effects" ;-)20:27
notmynamettx: s/threadpool code/legal document/20:28
mordrednotmyname: hehe20:28
ttxmordred: yeah, i was thinking something along those lines20:28
markmcmordred, the board?20:28
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mordredmarkmc: yeah. when we vote on things with the foundation board, we are not voting on the exact language20:28
markmcmordred, ah, ok - go it20:29
mordredmarkmc: the foundation lawyer goes back and writes the appropriate legalese later20:29
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markmcmordred, read that as "we ask the board to vote on this"20:29
ttxI'm fine with updating the charter based on the outcome of the vote20:29
mordredNO GOD NO20:29
markmcmordred, which I knew you didn't mean :)20:29
ttxand then if a TC member thinks I misrepresented, we can revisit20:29
* mordred runs screaming and sets markmc on fire20:29
markmcttx, sounds good20:29
annegentleone open question to me is, do we enable incubated programs where we already have a program that has the same charter/mission?20:29
ttxThe only thing I see which might be an issue is that PTLs would now mean Program Technical Lead.20:30
mordredannegentle: I think that would be a judgement call by the TC each time. I find it unlikely that we would choose to do that though20:30
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mordredlike, I think I'd eat my own hair if we did20:30
annegentlemordred: okay similar to "we already have a dbaas" or some such20:31
annegentlemordred: bleh on the hair-eating20:31
hub_capya annegentle!!!!! trove ;)20:31
mordredI mean - who knows - maybe one day we'll all be drunk and think "two dbaas projects would make our lives better"20:31
markwashI guess I really don't understand the need to say "server" on line 13 of the etherpad20:31
markwash'integrated' deliverable seems sufficient20:31
ttxmarkwash: that's markmc's fault.20:32
ttxI can fix20:32
mordredI agree with markwash20:32
markmcso, only 'integrated' projects in the release?20:32
markmchow do I make oslo libs 'integrated'?20:32
ttxmarkmc: no20:32
ttxonly 'integrated' projects in the 'integrated projects' release?20:33
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markmcdo we have any other coordinated release?20:33
dhellmannmordred: the case for 2 similar projects is to support a deprecated version while migrating to a new one, no?20:33
markmcso, only 'integrated' projects in the *coordinated* 6 monthly release?20:33
mordreddhellmann: sure. I just think it's a case-by-case basis and probably quite rare20:33
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* dhellmann nods20:33
ttxmarkmc: hmm20:34
mordredmarkmc: I think that's a different conversation20:34
notmynameif a program has a library that a server depends on, does the library have to be "integrated" or incubated?20:34
markmcI'm fine with us punting the discussion about the coordinated release20:34
* notmyname throws grenades20:34
mordredmarkmc: one that we should have, but I think it's different20:34
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markmcas long as the definition of programs prevents it from having non-server release deliverables20:35
markmcas long as the definition of programs *doesn't* prevent them from having non-server release deliverables20:35
ttxmarkmc: note that the current wording doesn't close any door. You can still be incubated (or not incubated) whatever happens20:35
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markmcttx, oslo libs would be incubated?20:35
mordredright. and I don't think it does. I think it purely describes a process, and lets us as the TC make decisions about which things should be in that thing20:35
* annegentle gets ready for a document scope discussion with the TC in the future20:36
ttxmarkmc: I don't see why they would. They are ripped from prevoisouly-integrated code20:36
markmcok, I guess we're saying 'integrated' == 'server'20:37
markwashmarkmc: I feel like the need to be integrated comes from how tightly other OS projects as a group need to couple to a single release version20:37
hub_capttx: feel free to use trove as a example to the process update, im still a bit fuzzy on the whole process ;)20:37
markmcwhich does seem weird to me20:37
ttxmarkmc: that's due to the origins of the 'integrated' concept20:37
markmcbut there can be deliverables which aren't Integrated ... even if they are integrated (little 'i' integrated)20:38
ttxwhich was as you remember certainly to replace "core"20:38
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ttxmarkmc: right, another name, another fight, another day20:38
annegentleaww no fighting20:38
markmcttx, ok, changing to big-I integrated20:39
ttxI agree that there are a lot of things that are integrated and not part of what I/our documentation calls 'Integrated'20:39
markwashimagine we built a shared messaging system that was used for cross project notifications. . perhaps all projects couple to it in a way that requires versions to be synced, so it is integrated20:39
markmcnow it's really like a legal doc20:39
ttxwhich is confusing20:39
markwashbut it is not a server, because it doesn't have a server component20:39
ttxmarkmc: so we can probably vote on it :)20:39
ttxany more remark on the text before we put it to vote20:39
ttxhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/programs-draft <-20:40
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notmynamettx: can you paste it somewhere more permanently tied to the chat logs?20:40
markmcttx, list of defined terms at the bottom :)20:40
* markmc good to vote20:40
* mordred good to vote20:40
ttxmarkmc: trick is those are defined ELSEWHERE.20:41
markmcttx, yeah, I'm just finding a link to stick in20:41
ttxnotmyname: err... I could send it to -dev, I guess20:41
notmynamettx: eh...etherpad seems quite ephemeral20:42
ttxor paste it all over the channel20:42
ttxif that works with everyone20:42
annegentlemarkwash: good case, works with a program to me20:42
* notmyname is fine with a channel flood (don't kline yourself)20:42
jgriffithnotmyname: my etherpads from 3 summits ago are still around :)20:42
ttxOK, quiet while I paste20:42
notmynamejgriffith: rainbow text with no context or idea who edited what20:42
ttx'OpenStack Programs' are efforts which are essential to the completion of our mission. Programs can create any code repository and produce any deliverable they deem necessary to achieve their goals.20:43
ttxPrograms are placed under the oversight of the Technical Committee, and contributing to one of their code repositories grants you ATC status.20:43
ttxCurrent efforts or teams which want to be recognized as an 'OpenStack Program' should place a request to the Technical Committee, including a clear mission statement describing how they help the OpenStack general mission and how that effort is essential to the completion of our mission.20:43
ttxIf programs have a goal that includes the production of an 'Integrated' deliverable, that specific deliverable would still need to go through an Incubation period.20:44
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ttxThe initial Programs are 'Nova', 'Swift', 'Cinder', 'Neutron', 'Horizon', 'Glance', 'Keystone', 'Heat', 'Ceilometer', 'Documentation', 'Infrastructure', 'QA', 'Oslo', 'Trove' and 'Ironic'. Those programs should retroactively submit a mission statement and initial lead designation, if they don't have one already.20:44
ttxThe TC asks that the chair modifies the charter accordingly, including replacing the word "Projects" by "Programs" where appropriate.20:45
notmynamettx: thanks :-)20:45
gabrielhurleynicely pasted20:45
jgriffithgolf clap20:45
* mordred is proud of ttx20:45
ttx#startvote Accept above "Programs" definition? yes, no, abstain20:46
openstackBegin voting on: Accept above "Programs" definition? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain.20:46
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.20:46
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ttx#vote yes20:46
annegentle#vote yes20:46
jd__#vote yes20:46
NobodyCam#vote yes20:46
markmc#vote yes20:46
gabrielhurley#vote yes20:46
mikal#vote yes20:46
markwash#vote yes20:46
galstrom#vote yes20:46
shardy#vote yes20:46
ttxNobodyCam: actually your vote doesn't count.20:46
mordred#vote yes20:46
notmyname#vote yes20:46
markmcclain#vote yes20:47
jgriffith#vote yes20:47
ttx30 more seconds20:47
NobodyCamlol :)20:47
russellb#vote yes20:47
openstackVoted on "Accept above "Programs" definition?" Results are20:47
openstackyes (15): markmc, ttx, galstrom, annegentle, jd__, shardy, russellb, markwash, mikal, mordred, gabrielhurley, NobodyCam, jgriffith, markmcclain, notmyname20:47
ttxwe'll say that NobodyCam was proxying vishy.20:48
ttx#topic Open discussion20:48
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ttxWe'll be starting the discussion on Design Summit soon20:48
ttxlike how to fill that time in the most productive manner20:48
markmcclaincan we create a program to manage it :)20:49
mordredttx: is the process for tripleo now to submit a motion to the TC for a week of mailing list discussion before a vote?20:49
NobodyCamhow long will programs like Ironic have to come up with the a mission statement20:49
jgriffithNobodyCam: 30 seconds20:49
mordredNobodyCam: you will have one in 5 minutes or you will be killed20:49
ttxmordred: indeed. Note that with July 4th time is running a bit short for public discussion20:49
mordredis anyone here likely to vote against it?20:50
* mordred cires20:50
annegentleyeah let's set a deadline of Aug 1st or so for programs20:50
* mordred doesn't know what cires is20:50
ttxmordred: I think the discussion would be around whther Ironic should be merged with it, since the goal statement would be quite similar ?20:50
annegentlespecial mordred tears20:50
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ttxNobodyCam: yesterday ?20:51
mordredttx: hrm. I don't think either tripleo or ironic want to merge - but, sure, worth discussing20:51
hub_capTrove mission statement: to piss off mordred in some way20:51
jgriffithhub_cap: priceless20:51
ttxmordred: are those completely disjoint teams ?20:51
mordredttx: largely, yes20:51
markmcyeah, I buy ironic as a separate thing20:51
ttxmordred: I'd still be interested to see that mission statement from TripleO20:52
ttxas well as Ironic's for that matter20:52
jgriffithto run the ubiquitous cloud on the ubiquitous cloud20:52
* markwash wonders about Glance's mission statement. . .20:52
* mordred admits that he's trying to ram something in so that we dont' have to do two gerrit downtime renames over the next month20:52
* mordred stops trying to do that20:53
ttxHad a question... shall programs coming from classic projects be named after the project name ("Nova") ? Or the IaaS piece name ("Compute') ?20:53
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mordredttx: let's make bryce happy and make the program named for the non-codename20:53
russellbcodenames 4 life20:54
markmcclain+1 to using formal names for programs20:54
russellb(fine with using formal name)20:54
ttxmordred: that would be my position too. The project is the project. The effort around that project is more tied to the goal than to the project20:54
mordredttx: yup. and bryce and friends are usually talking about the goal rather than the codebase20:54
ttxnow I'm confused.20:54
* markwash wants to change Glance's mission and formal name :-(20:55
NobodyCamusing the OoO and iRonic example. what would that program be named20:55
mordredbryce and friends should be a tv show20:55
mordredNobodyCam: Ironic: "OpenStack Bare Metal"? - TripleO: "OpenStack on OpenStack" ?20:55
ttxmarkwash: you want to be the "Ministry of silly walks" program ?20:55
mordredmarkwash: to what?20:55
markwashmordred: boot images are too narrow20:56
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mordredmarkwash: your name is boot images?20:56
markwashplus glance light would probably be /dev/null20:56
annegentleformal name/ real name :)20:56
ttxGlance is, I think, "Image service" ?20:56
mordredmarkwash: OpenStack Image Registry isn't it?20:56
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* mordred asking for real20:56
markwashso I see glance changing to be more full machine images, specifying more stuff like full block device mapping, memory contents, etc20:56
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markwashand then basically being an optional gatekeeper component for all of those things20:57
ttxmordred: "OpenStack Image Service" apparently20:57
markwashoh well, growing pains20:57
winston-dam i late for project update meeting? i'm joining for Cinder since jgriffith is out20:57
lifelessmordred: TripleO's program name might be better if it spoke to deploy/ops20:57
jgriffithwinston-d: nope, you're early :)20:57
lifelessmordred: OpenStack On OpenStack is a bit jargony.20:57
winston-djgriffith: oh, you are here. :)20:57
mordredlifeless: I look forward to you submitting a mission statement and formal name20:58
NobodyCamby 8/1/201320:58
lifelessmordred: I shall; I asked ttx last week and he said to wait ;)20:58
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mordredbtw - I've been trying to put things formal names in the setup.cfg summary field20:58
hub_capwhere do we submit said mission statements to?20:58
ttxlifeless: I think you can consider yourself unblocked20:58
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hub_capthe draft of trove mission statement would just be in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove ?20:59
ttxhub_cap: openstack-dev, with a heads-up on openstack-tc20:59
annegentlemordred: we have a lookup table in the doc that I'm now going to have to file a bug against :)20:59
hub_capAh ok as in, email to the list. got it ttx20:59
ttxhub_cap: use the wiki as the permanent reference, yes20:59
ttxok, we are closing, last round of beers21:00
mordredannegentle: I'm aslo going to try to get our automation to set the gerrit and github project description to the text in the setup.cfg summary section too21:00
ttxmordred: yes, we need a way to find out which program a given repo belongs to21:00
annegentlemordred: we have http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/openstack-compute/install/yum/content/terminology-codenames.html and http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/openstack-compute/admin/content/components-of-openstack.html21:00
ttxmordred: if only to automate ATC list generation21:00
ttxok, moar next time21:00
mordredttx: I think we can figure something out21:00
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ttxmarkmc, notmyname, jd__, markwash, jgriffith, russellb, shardy, gabrielhurley, markmcclain: still around ?21:01
ttxhenrynash: around ?21:01
henrynashttx: yep21:01
winston-djgriffith will be out, i'm covering him21:01
ttx#startmeeting project21:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Jul  2 21:01:59 2013 UTC.  The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'project'21:02
ttx#link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting21:02
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ttx2 weeks left to H2 ! We'll spend a bit extra time on Neutron renaming plan progress and the proposed change in blueprint tracking21:02
ttx#topic General stuff21:02
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ttxSo I proposed a simplification in blueprint tracking process, removing the need to use the "series goal" in Launchpad which is not working so well21:02
ttx#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-June/011055.html21:02
ttxTL;DR is:21:03
ttxWe'd only use "Priority" to indicate how much we care about a given feature, instead of using a combination of Priority and Series Goal. Triaging blueprints would just be about setting a priority.21:03
ttxA script would regularly align "series goal" with the content of "milestone target"21:03
ttxDoes that sound like a good idea to everyone? The change kinda needs to be applied across the board...21:03
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ttxThere are two pitfalls in the transition:21:03
ttx1. Your havana blueprints which don't have a target milestone set will drop off the havana series goal. You'll want to move them to the "future" series if you want to keep them on your radar21:04
ttx2. "Low" blueprints will now mean "may or may not make it, I don't really care". They are skipped in the release status view. You might want to promote a few to "Medium" to keep them on the roadmap.21:04
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ttxIf everyone agrees I'll create the "future" series with the "next" and "ongoing" milestones21:04
notmynamettx: when does (1) happen?21:04
ttxthen send you a personal email about what changes to expect when the script will kick in, so that you can adjust things before it runs21:04
ttxnotmyname: when the script kicks in ^21:04
notmynameok :-)21:05
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hub_capttx: will create on trove/iroinc too?21:05
ttxhub_cap: yes21:05
ttxdoes silence means "oh yes please" ?21:06
markmcttx, honestly, I'm probably being dense ... but I don't think I understand21:06
markmcttx, but I also fully expect it'll be totally awesome21:06
ttxmarkmc: actually it can't really be worse.21:07
markmcttx, so I'm cool with it :)21:07
ttxLp series goal has been the bane of my existance.21:07
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ttxok, we'll see how it goes when you receive your personal email.21:07
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ttxWon'ty enable the script openstack-wide until it's all set anyway21:08
ttx(I can run the script manually per project for the early adopters)21:08
ttxsdague, annegentle, jeblair/mordred: news from QA/Docs/Infra teams ?21:08
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mordredttx: we're a program now!21:08
annegentleSecurity Guide book sprint finished last Friday, great stuff.21:08
annegentle#link http://www.openstack.org/blog/2013/07/openstack-security-guide-now-available/21:08
annegentleto download the epub21:08
jeblairgerrit downtime on saturday for neutron project rename21:08
markmcannegentle, congrats21:09
annegentle#link http://aa4698cc2bf4ab7e5907-ed3df21bb39de4e57eec9a20aa0b8711.r41.cf2.rackcdn.com/OpenStackSecurityGuide.epub21:09
annegentlestill working on PDF, HTML, etc21:09
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jeblairdetails here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/neutron-renaming21:09
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jeblairttx: [end]21:09
markmcjeblair, still looking for backup from core folks on other projects?21:10
jeblairmarkmc: i think the latest plan (with which markmcclain will shortly update the wiki) shouldn't require it21:10
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markmcjeblair, ok, cool21:10
markmcclainmarkmc: we restructured things to require less people and ensure that the gate can as normal as possible21:11
markmcmarkmcclain, great21:11
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ttx#topic Oslo status21:12
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ttxmarkmc: hi!21:12
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/havana-221:12
markmcnot much change on blueprints21:12
ttxStill on track, I think...21:12
markmcI knocked the apiclient one to havana-3, seems to have stalled a bit21:12
ttxbut lots of reviews needed :)21:12
ttxbug 1182842 is targeted to the milestone but has no assignee ?21:12
markmc(which is probably reviewers fault more than the submitter)21:13
markmcok, assigned myself21:13
ttxit's been defered a few times already so I'd rather remove it from milestone target than push it back again21:13
markmcmade some progress on it today21:13
ttxShould bug 1194807 (critical) be targeted to the milestone ?21:13
ttxwhere's the bot when you need it21:13
markmcdone, thanks21:14
markmcso, on bug #119480721:14
markmcI've a bunch of reviews up:21:14
markmcthis time I've figured it out21:14
markmc(it's only the 4th or 5th time I've thought that)21:14
markmcthis time for real21:14
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markmcpip is subjugated to my will21:14
markmcbut reviews would be nice :)21:14
markmcI think that's it for oslo21:15
ttxQuestions about Oslo ?21:15
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* ttx can picture markmc as a snake charmer21:15
ttxsubjugating pip21:15
ttx#topic Keystone status21:15
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ttxhenrynash: welcome!21:16
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/havana-221:16
ttxThis is looking very late now, especially with two coredevs in vacation this week...21:16
ttxI think the whole havana plan will need a serious reality check when Dolph is back.21:16
henrynashso a couple of things to note21:16
ttxWe are creating expectations that are very unlikely to be fulfilled here, and Keystone is consumed by everyone else.21:16
henrynashinherited roles are an extension, so (I believe) not strictly tied to H221:17
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henrynashthe only real api level changes are in21:17
henrynashProvide an api to get all effective roles for a user21:17
henrynashv3 Regaion API21:17
ttxhenrynash: last week we said https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27563/ should be unblocked but nothing changed there.21:18
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henrynashyes (unfortunately I was on vacation last weel so catching up!)21:18
ttxwhat's this vacation thing you keystone folks always bring up21:18
henrynashI think Adam said that he and Jay were coin go to work through that21:18
henrynashhey, I know, the dog ate my homework21:19
ttxhenrynash: Anything more about Keystone ?21:19
henrynashJust wanted to check on the v3 auth for other client clis?21:19
ttxhenrynash: err... what do you mean ?21:20
henrynashlast week (reading the logs) seems like we were going to start pushin gfor clients to be using the v3 auth cleitn libs from kestoneclient21:20
henrynash(sorry, broke my finger scuba diving so can't type straight)21:21
ttxthat sounds like a good idea, but it's difficult to mandate21:21
ttxhenrynash: I think that should be pushed to the ML to see if you can find relays in other projects^Wprograms21:22
henrynashwhat has to happen for (e.g. nova, glance) to start picking up the new client libs for auth?  Who should I work with to help make it so21:22
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ttxhenrynash: difficult to find volunteers in this meeting, so ML is probably your best bet21:22
henrynashttx: ok, that's it for keystone21:23
ttx#help Keystone needs help pushing v3 API support in client libs21:23
ttxQuestion on keystone ?21:23
ttx#topic Ceilometer status21:23
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ttxjd__: hey21:23
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/havana-221:23
ttxA bit late too. Code should be proposed by now...21:24
ttxAre all those still likely to make it ?21:24
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jd__they should21:24
jd__dhellmann's one is this week or havana-3, I talked about it with him21:24
ttxMaking progress on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1193906 ?21:25
jd__and we've some things already merge for the 2 from eglynn21:25
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jd__ttx: no, I know how to fix, but I'm waiting for terry to do it actually (she's my intern) :)21:25
ttxok, so under control :)21:26
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ttxShould we target https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1194921 to havana-2 as well ?21:26
jd__I think we got it fixed on our side, but yes21:26
ttxjd__: anything you wanted to mention ?21:26
jd__all good21:26
ttxQuestions on Ceilometer ?21:27
ttx#topic Swift status21:27
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ttxnotmyname: o/21:27
notmynamebig release today: 1.9.0, now with full global clusters support http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-July/011221.html21:27
ttxSo, nothing from me except congrats on the new release21:27
ttxcreated 1.9.1 to track "next" work, we can adjust number later21:28
notmynamesounds good to me21:28
ttxnotmyname: anything else you wanted to raise ?21:28
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ttxQuestions about Swift ?21:28
ttx#topic Glance status21:29
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ttxmarkwash: o/21:29
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/havana-221:29
markwashI did some cleaning, future and next really help!21:29
ttxlooks reasonable21:29
ttxwhat about "Multiple Image Locations" ? Might be deferred ?21:30
markwashas long as we don't pull back the havana-3 curtain, very reasonable :-)21:30
markwashttx: we have a lot of progress there that is in review, and I want us to push for it in h-221:30
ttxok, let's see if we can make it21:30
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ttxglance-cinder-driver is marked as depending on a Nova blueprint, but that doesn't seem to be a strong prereq ?21:30
markwashI think the dependency is actually inverted there from how it should be21:31
ttxmarkwash: ok, will try to fix it21:31
markwashI was just too lazy to fix that last I noticed21:31
ttxis bug 1155389 unblocked with Swift 1.9.0 ?21:31
markwashI believe so, what is the release timetable for 1.9?21:31
markwashis it already available?21:31
ttxwas released earlier today21:31
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markwashgreat, then I can knock out our portion of the fix tout d'suite21:32
ttxmarkwash: anything you wanted to mention ?21:32
ttxQuestions on Glance ?21:32
markwashexcept thanks again21:33
markwashfor future and next and ongoing21:33
ttxglad you find it more maintainable this way21:33
ttx#topic Neutron status21:33
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ttxmarkmcclain: hi!21:33
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/havana-221:33
ttxSlightly behind, as I expect some delays due to renaming stuff before h221:33
ttxThe "High" stuff in particular is not really progressing that well ?21:34
markmcclainall of the high stuff is mostly written21:34
markmcclain2 are missing some unittests, so they're still semi-draft state21:34
ttxmarkmcclain: ok, maybe switch those to "Good progress" so that i'm under the impression they will make it :)21:35
markmcclainwill do21:35
ttxLooking at targeted bugs, you have a number of them which have no assignee ?21:35
ttxwould probably be good to assign them (or remove them from the milestone) if we want to see them fixed for h221:36
markmcclainsorry.. I'll clean those up21:36
ttxAbout the renaming plan... this is where we track progress:21:36
ttx#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/neutron-renaming21:36
ttxmarkmcclain: care to give a quick summary for the record ?21:36
markmcclainwe've worked to reduce the number of folks that need to be around for the rename21:37
markmcclainwe're going to release a neutonclient into the package repo21:38
markmcclainso that we can begin the work to update the names in the other projects21:38
markmcclainthese changes will go through the normal gate process21:39
ttxhow long do you plan to keep the quantum-* name shims in neutron itself? at least until the release ?21:39
markmcclainthe binary script names for atleast I21:39
markmcclainthe client compatibility shims we can leave up for longer but make them noisier over time21:40
ttxmarkmcclain: when do you plan to do the mega-name changes that will make Dreamhost the top Havana contributor ?21:40
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markmcclainhaha.. they'll start landing this week21:41
ttx(i.e. the s/quantum/neutron/g change in Neutron itself)21:41
markmcclainsurprisingly not as many lines as you'd think21:41
ttxmarkmcclain: anything else you wanted to raise ?21:41
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ttxQuestions on that renaming plan, or on Neutron in general ?21:42
ttx#topic Cinder status21:42
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ttxjgriffith: hola!21:42
* ttx speeds up21:42
winston-do/ here21:42
ttxwinston-d: hola!21:42
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/havana-221:42
ttxProgress looks not too bad, but time is running short :)21:43
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winston-dyeah, i personally check all bp/bugs today.21:43
winston-dthey are looking good.21:43
ttxdidn't have anythign for you actually.21:43
ttxwinston-d: anything on your mind ?21:43
ttxQuestions on Cinder ?21:44
ttxwinston-d: keep on the good work I guess... and land as many as you can in the next two weeks21:44
ttx#topic Nova status21:44
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winston-dttx: sure. we're working on that.21:44
ttxrussellb: hey21:44
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-221:44
russellbhighly optimistic21:45
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ttxSlightly behind, I'd say at this point21:45
* russellb agrees21:45
ttxper-aggregate-resource-ratio is marked implemented but there still is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33950/ in review21:45
ttxshall I reopen ?21:45
ttxShould ivs-vif-driver be considered completed with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/31730/ ?21:45
russellbgot that one21:46
ttxDo you know why https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/find-host-and-evacuate-instance is marked "Blocked" ? The whiteboard wouldn't say.21:46
russellbit's blocked because it depends on query-scheduler, which isn't done yet21:46
ttxok will document21:47
russellbmaybe that's not a normal use of Blocked status21:47
russellbbut that's all it is21:47
ttxno it's fine, it's just nice to document the reason on the whiteboard so that we all know what it's blocking on21:47
* russellb nods21:47
russellbgoing to move to havana-3 as well21:47
ttxdb-slave-handle is blocked on getting oslo.config 1.2.0a2 into nova... how is that going ?21:48
russellbtried to ping the author today, but he wasn't around21:48
russellbthey had one approach merged, and then it had to be reverted21:48
russellbso, i don't know21:48
ttxok, will followup21:49
russellbmarkmc was talking to them the other day about it, too21:49
ttxYou have a number of bugs targeted to the milestone that are not assigned yet...21:49
ttxYou don't have a meeting this week, but maybe review them and untarget them if nobody plans to work on them ?21:49
russellbyeah, probably need to just untarget them21:49
markmcrussellb, https://review.openstack.org/#/q/I6f3eb5fd2c75615d9a1cae172aed859b36b27d4c,n,z for oslo.config-1.2.0a321:49
ttxYou also have 4 critical bugs that are not targeted to havana-2...21:49
ttxIf they were really critical I think they should all be targeted to h2. Or downgraded to "High" ?21:50
russellbttx: will review21:50
ttxrussellb: anything else you wanted to mention ?21:50
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russellbdon't think so21:50
ttxAny question on Nova ?21:50
russellbi'll go back over these notes and clean up21:50
ttx#topic Heat status21:50
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ttxrussellb: thx!21:50
ttxshardy: o/21:50
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-221:50
ttxNot too bad, but there is not much room in h3 to defer anything21:51
ttxShould be an interesting week :)21:51
russellbmarkmc: thanks!21:51
shardyYeah, I think most of the deferring is done now, hopefully..21:51
ttxYou also have a large list of targeted bugs21:51
ttxwith a couple unassigned21:51
shardyYeah two highs which I'm hoping to assign at tomorrows meeting21:51
ttxshardy: anything else you want to raise ?21:51
shardyI'd prefer not to release h2 without fixing those if possible21:51
shardyttx: yes - I'll be on holiday/vacation for two weeks from next Monday21:52
ttxI expect to see more clearly next week, the holiday weekend is messing with my forecast spell21:52
shardystevebaker will handle h2 release and PTO tasks in my absence21:52
ttxQuestions about Heat ?21:52
ttxmore steves21:52
shardys/PTO/PTL ;)21:53
ttx#topic Horizon status21:53
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ttxgabrielhurley: o/21:53
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/havana-221:53
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gabrielhurleyI pared things down since last week21:53
ttxStill slightly behind, I think, and your H3 is huge21:53
gabrielhurleyI expect all of those to land, with a small maybe on the pagination one21:53
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gabrielhurleyI kicked some stuff out of H3 but I didn't want to arbitrarily drop lots of things without giving people a chance to claim them/give feedback21:54
ttxYour list of targeted bugs is huge as always... We'll have to refine it next week if they don't have assignees yet21:54
gabrielhurleyttx: you know I just roll the bug list forward every time21:54
gabrielhurleyI'll do so again next week21:54
ttxgabrielhurley: the new tracking system will let you keep those in since they won't mess with the release radar21:54
gabrielhurleyah, nifty21:54
ttx(as "Low")21:54
ttxgabrielhurley: anything you wanted to mention ?21:54
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gabrielhurleyjust a quick mention that Heat and (some) Ceilometer support will land in H2, which is awesome21:55
ttxthat's really cool21:55
gabrielhurleythat's it for me21:55
ttxQuestions on Horizon ?21:55
ttx#topic Incubated projects21:56
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ttxhub_cap: hey21:56
ttxhub_cap: is the trove rename complete now ?21:56
hub_capid like to talk about a h121:56
ttxhub_cap: At this point I'd suggest we do a havana-2 rather than a late havana-1 milestone ?21:56
hub_capmakes sense21:57
ttxunless you REALLY need it for some reason21:57
hub_capttx: i just want to belong21:57
ttxyou shall you shall21:57
hub_caph2 is fine imo21:57
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hub_capso heat integration. its been stalled a bit, and ill send out a wiki article why21:57
ttxI checked up the automation and I think we are all set21:57
hub_capgreat ttx we can burn thru it during the h2 cut21:57
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hub_capill be sending out the heat stuff to the ML to get some group think21:58
hub_capand im working on rpm integration (CERN has contacted me about integration)21:58
hub_capother than that just working thru h221:58
ttxhub_cap: sure, will give you a heads-up on the procedure and what's expected from you. Not so much, mind you, apart from being present to say "yeah, let's ship it"21:58
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hub_capcool. ill have my sailors cap ready21:58
ttxIs https://launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/havana-2 still representing what you expect to land in the next two weeks ?21:59
hub_capwith 1 change yes21:59
ttxok, looks like you're a bit behind then :)22:00
hub_caphehe yea22:00
ttxwell, except if we just reroll all h1 to h222:00
hub_capoh then itll look better!22:00
ttxhub_cap: you ok with me swithcing the h1 stuff to h2 ?22:00
hub_capbut ill make sure the little things are in h222:00
hub_capsure ttx22:00
hub_capi know there is more22:00
ttxand then remove the h1 milestone altother22:01
hub_capthere is no _more_ than that that may be in h222:01
hub_capsure thing ttx22:01
ttxok, no time left22:01
ttxmoar next week22:01
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ttxNobodyCam: sorry I forgot about you22:01
NobodyCamits ok22:02
hub_capits czu he voted22:02
ttxNobodyCam: devananda told me there were no progress to report so my mind adjusted22:02
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NobodyCamya thats basicly all i was going to say22:02
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NobodyCam:-p so all good22:02
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ttxNobodyCam: ok, cheers22:02
ttxgabrielhurley: floor is yours22:03
gabrielhurley#startmeeting horizon22:03
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gabrielhurley#topic overview22:04
timductive1hello :)22:04
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vkmchi :)22:04
gabrielhurleySo, we've got two weeks left in H222:04
gabrielhurleyI've pared down the blueprint list for H2 to what *should* land22:04
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gabrielhurleywe'll spend some time probably next week talking about the H3 blueprints, but for now let's focus on completing H222:05
gabrielhurleyProcess-wise I'd like to make sure that code for everything is up for review this week so that the last week can be making sure it all gets in, not scrambling to finish writing code22:06
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gabrielhurleyI feel like I'm forgetting something at the overview level22:06
gabrielhurleyif I remember it I'll blurt it out22:07
gabrielhurleyfor now let's talk blueprints22:07
gabrielhurley#topic blueprints22:07
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gabrielhurleyThe Heat blueprint is in final review. I think almost everyone's looked at it and it just needs one more +2 to merge22:07
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gabrielhurleydavid-lyle: how are yours coming?22:08
david-lylehttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/domain-context  just needs another +222:09
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david-lylethe rbac is still delayed, but will land in H322:09
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gabrielhurleylcheng: how 'bout you?22:10
lchengI am done implementing the code for domain login support, just need to cleanup the test.22:11
gabrielhurleyexcellent. this week then?22:11
lchengHopefully, I can submit for review tom.22:11
gabrielhurleyjpich: (since brooklyn isn't online) how about ceilometer? I've been seeing updates on the blueprint whiteboard but seeing some code soon would be great22:12
jpichgabrielhurley: Yes, I'm not sure. The history was squashed down to 3 self-contained commits (as opposed to dozens) so I think it's definitely ready for a gerrit review22:12
gabrielhurleyglad to hear that. are there still things missing/blockers or is it mostly just trying to polish now?22:13
jpichCode-wise I think it's close to good. I was only able to get graphics working earlier this week. There are a few areas for improvements... I think it works as a first step though22:14
gabrielhurleysounds good. as I've been saying, if we could see code this week that would be best.22:15
jpichbut the end vision of merging everything with the data it relates to is definitely something to keep going toward, it's hard to read22:15
jpichI'll ping Brooklyn22:15
gabrielhurleythank you22:15
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gabrielhurleyIn other news I spoke to Akihiro Motoki about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/quantum-security-group and he feels confident that he'll have that up soon.22:16
jpichDo we have a blueprint or bug for updating the quantum quotas?22:16
gabrielhurleyno BP, not sure on a bug off the top of my head22:16
gabrielhurleyalso, technically we should update to saying Neutron22:17
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jpichOk, I think there's a bug definitely somewhere, was wondering about blueprints22:17
jpichYes, of course :-)22:17
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gabrielhurleytimductive1: if you haven't already, I'd say you're safe to build from the current Heat review. It's not gonna change much if at all from here on. I expect it'll merge in the next 24 hours. that said, how's the viz coming?22:18
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timductive1thank gabriel, I'm debating if it should get bumped to h3.22:18
timductive1I built it out with heat create commands in mind but I need to do a little bit more work to have updates and deletes also reflect correctly22:19
timductive1I may be able to finish those tomorrow and get a code review up22:19
timductive1but if not I'm not opposed to bumping it22:19
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jpichIs there a way to get new blueprints notifications? I thought I used to get those, now I wonder if I imagined it22:24
gabrielhurleysorry, got called away for a sec22:24
gabrielhurleyjpich: not sure really. I get them irregularly22:24
jpich:( Ok22:25
gabrielhurleytimductive1: sounds good. see what you're able to do this week.22:25
timductive1gabrielhurley: ok will do22:25
gabrielhurleyanybody I've missed?22:26
david-lylequestion:  isn't https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/select-zone-when-creating-instance complete?22:27
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david-lylechange was merged unless there is another component that I'm missing22:27
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gabrielhurleythat it is22:29
gabrielhurleygood catch22:29
gabrielhurley#topic open discussion22:30
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gabrielhurleyAnything else folks want to discuss?22:30
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jpichyes, a question about jQuery UI22:31
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jpichI didn't realise that we were shipping it. What's the current goal? Should we discourage using it in more places? Aim to replace it? (Probably should be in a bug then.) We turned away several patches because of it before so it's kind of unclear22:32
jpichIt's used in the VNIC ordering22:32
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david-lyleI thought what we shipped was a scaled down version, I may be wrong22:33
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jpichOh, it does say "custom", so perhaps22:35
gabrielhurleyyeah, it's just the drag-drop stuff22:35
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jpichThanks david-lyle, gabrielhurley22:35
gabrielhurleyI've gotta run, so I'm gonna end the meeting, but feel free to discuss more if anyone wants to22:36
gabrielhurleytalk to y'all next week22:36
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