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| n0ano | #startmeeting scheduler | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 2 15:00:28 2013 UTC. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scheduler)" | 15:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scheduler' | 15:00 |
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| n0ano | Show of hands, anyone around for the scheduler sub-group? | 15:00 |
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| n0ano | Looks like we'll keep up via the mailing list. | 15:06 |
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| n0ano | #endmeeting | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:06 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 2 15:06:28 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-07-02-15.00.html | 15:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-07-02-15.00.txt | 15:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-07-02-15.00.log.html | 15:06 |
| jgallard | hi all | 15:06 |
| jgallard | sorry for the delay | 15:06 |
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| jgallard | no scheduler meeting today? | 15:07 |
| jgallard | n0ano, sorry for the delay, there is no scheduler meeting today? | 15:07 |
| n0ano | jgallard, no one else admitted to being there so I guess no, no meeting today | 15:07 |
| jgallard | ah :( | 15:08 |
| jgallard | ok | 15:08 |
| n0ano | did you have anything specific for today? | 15:08 |
| jgallard | can I ask you a question? | 15:08 |
| n0ano | sure, go ahead | 15:08 |
| jgallard | thanks | 15:08 |
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| jgallard | it's about the mail you sent http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-June/010458.html | 15:08 |
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| jgallard | did you get some interesting inputs? | 15:09 |
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| n0ano | This is still an open issue, there is debate on fan out message vs. DB for maintaining compute node state... | 15:10 |
| jgallard | yes | 15:10 |
| n0ano | I prefer fan out messages (I REALLY dislike DBs) but there some vocal voices on the mailing list proposing DB... | 15:10 |
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| jgallard | in fact I don't understand the arguments agains fanout messages | 15:11 |
| n0ano | I need to do some research on the current code and then fire up the debate on the mailing list again | 15:11 |
| jgallard | fanout messages seems to be a good way | 15:11 |
| jgallard | ok | 15:11 |
| n0ano | The ones I've heard are latency (should be the same as DB access) and, with multiple schedulers, you have an explosion in the number of messages to send, neither argument is persuasive to me. | 15:12 |
| jgallard | +1 | 15:12 |
| jgallard | I'm not convinced about these arguments too | 15:12 |
| n0ano | Then I'll expect you to blindly agree with everything I say on the mailing list - right :-) | 15:12 |
| n0ano | I'm hoping for a lively discussion | 15:13 |
| jgallard | yes | 15:13 |
| jgallard | I have to check the code more precisely in order to have a strong opinion | 15:13 |
| jgallard | Currently my opinion is just made with the args provided in the mail | 15:13 |
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| n0ano | that's where I am, I'd love to hear your views after you review the code to see if we still agree | 15:13 |
| jgallard | yes! | 15:14 |
| jgallard | and | 15:15 |
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| jgallard | did you know a about the [openstack-dev] [nova] Nova scheduler code refactoring | 15:15 |
| jgallard | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-July/011217.html | 15:15 |
| jgallard | ? | 15:15 |
| jgallard | maybe it can interesting to discuss this at next meeting? | 15:15 |
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| n0ano | I missed that but I'm not too concerned, that should just be rewriting the same functionality, I'm more worried about how the scheduler works but it would be good to discuss next week | 15:17 |
| jgallard | ok yes | 15:18 |
| jgallard | I was thinking that perhaps the fact to rewrite the same functionnality will open new interesting doors (for instance for scalability) | 15:18 |
| jgallard | but I not sure about that | 15:19 |
| n0ano | I'd think that unlikely, the refactoring shouldn't introduce new functionality, if so they should provide new BPs for the changes, anything else is sliding things in through the back door | 15:19 |
| jgallard | ok. I got it | 15:20 |
| jgallard | you'r right | 15:20 |
| * n0ano hopefully the back door saying is clear, silly coloquialisms | 15:20 | |
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| jgallard | great, thanks a lot for this nice tchat | 15:21 |
| n0ano | NP, hopefully we'll have more people next week. | 15:21 |
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| senhuang | sorry i am late | 15:23 |
| senhuang | is it finished? | 15:23 |
| jgallard | hi senhuang | 15:23 |
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| senhuang | jgallard: Hi | 15:23 |
| jgallard | yes, the meeting was canceled | 15:23 |
| n0ano | senhuang, yeah, no body came so I canceled for this week | 15:23 |
| senhuang | I see. | 15:23 |
| senhuang | I am leaving Cisco and my colleague Debo will take over my work on scheduler | 15:24 |
| senhuang | he will join the meeting in the future. :-) | 15:24 |
| n0ano | bummer (I hate training new people :-) will you be working on something other than cloud? | 15:24 |
| senhuang | yes | 15:25 |
| senhuang | tempararily away from cloud | 15:25 |
| n0ano | well, good luck in your new endeavors | 15:25 |
| senhuang | but cloud is everywhere | 15:25 |
| senhuang | thank you! | 15:25 |
| jgallard | senhuang, ahaha :) | 15:25 |
| senhuang | jgallard: it is a small world. :-) | 15:26 |
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| jgallard | senhuang, :) | 15:26 |
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| senhuang | just want to say thank you and it has been great working with you guys. :) | 15:28 |
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| schwicht | primeministerp: hi ... | 16:01 |
| zehicle_at_dell | hello! | 16:02 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | quiet week in the US | 16:06 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | Primeministerp is on vacation | 16:06 |
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| schwicht | ok, so no meeting? | 16:06 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #topic OpenStack HyperV | 16:06 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | I don't have anytopics, but it's worth opening it up to coordination | 16:07 |
| liuxpei | I want to confirm one thing, can I bring up in this meeting? | 16:07 |
| zehicle_at_dell | yes | 16:07 |
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| NobodyCam | ttx: you around? | 16:09 |
| liuxpei | for live migration for hyperv, on documentation, I see that it claimed formally for "shared nothing" live migration, we have also verified that work, one of my team member also tried "SMB shared storage" live migration, and he said it also works on hyperv | 16:09 |
| ttx | NobodyCam: yes? | 16:09 |
| liuxpei | want to confirm if "shared storage" live migration is already supported or not in the latest code? | 16:09 |
| NobodyCam | I wanted to let you know that I will proxy for devananda today in the meetings! | 16:09 |
| ttx | NobodyCam: ok | 16:10 |
| NobodyCam | :) Ty | 16:10 |
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| liuxpei | zehicle_at_dell: I am not sure if anyone in today's meeting know about that? I know Alessandro contributed "live migration" code at first... | 16:12 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | agree - I dont know current status | 16:14 |
| liuxpei | that's ok :) | 16:14 |
| zehicle_at_dell | there's also a question of havana vs grizzly. I thought it was a havana feature under dev, but would love to be corrected | 16:14 |
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| stevemar | keystone time | 17:59 |
| lbragstad | hey | 17:59 |
| gyee | like keystone beer | 17:59 |
| lbragstad | ^ +1 | 17:59 |
| stevemar | not bad gyee, not bad | 17:59 |
| henrynash | #meeting keystone | 18:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:00 |
| spzala | Hi | 18:00 |
| henrynash | hi all | 18:00 |
| gyee | henrynash, use #startmeeting | 18:00 |
| fabio | hi | 18:00 |
| henrynash | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 2 18:00:31 2013 UTC. The chair is henrynash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| henrynash | ahh! | 18:00 |
| henrynash | dolphm is off, so is ayoung, I think | 18:00 |
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| topol | who's the commanding officer??? Ain't it you Henry? | 18:01 |
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| henrynash | I believe 'tis me | 18:01 |
| gyee | is anyone know if Malini still working on key manager? | 18:01 |
| henrynash | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 18:01 |
| henrynash | ( some of this is hang over from last time, not updated i expect) | 18:02 |
| atiwari | gyee: I dropped her an email did not get any response | 18:02 |
| henrynash | Reminder: Havana milestone 2 cut & API-level feature freeze July 16th | 18:02 |
| henrynash | Reminder: Start using the SecurityImpact tag in gerrit | 18:02 |
| bknudson | dolph seemed to indicate API freeze is only for core, not extensions | 18:03 |
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| stevemar | bknudson: yeah, i was under the same impression, saw that in his email | 18:03 |
| gyee | bknudson, I thought he meant both | 18:03 |
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| gyee | at least from the last meeting | 18:03 |
| henrynash | bknudson: so originally he told me that it DID include extensions, but recent email suggest that this is replaced | 18:03 |
| bknudson | maybe he's finally resigned to reality. | 18:03 |
| gyee | total recall | 18:04 |
| henrynash | #topic High priority bugs or immediate issues? | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "High priority bugs or immediate issues? (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:04 | |
| bknudson | he probably thinks he's involved in a plot on mars right now. | 18:04 |
| henrynash | any burning issues? | 18:04 |
| gyee | code review? I need to catch up on that too | 18:05 |
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| henrynash | #topic High priority code reviews - aimed at H2 | 18:05 |
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| stevemar | its already on the list, but delegated_auth is ready for code review | 18:06 |
| henrynash | so I have one for sure that I am trying to get in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34611 | 18:06 |
| gyee | stevemar, that includes both keystone and keystone client right? | 18:06 |
| stevemar | gyee ^ if you have free time | 18:06 |
| topol | henrynash I will review it today | 18:06 |
| henrynash | stevemar: it's an extension, right? | 18:07 |
| stevemar | gyee: yeah, just search for stevemar as owner: or ping me and i'll give you links. | 18:07 |
| stevemar | henrynash: yes | 18:07 |
| gyee | k, will get on them | 18:07 |
| fabio | catalog opt out: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33188/ | 18:08 |
| henrynash | steveamr: so great for H2 if we can, but would be allowed for H3 (according to latest guidance) | 18:08 |
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| stevemar | henrynash: yeah, hoping for H2 | 18:08 |
| henrynash | fabio: is there an api spec change that goes with that? | 18:09 |
| henrynash | stevemar: H2 is always better than H3 1 | 18:09 |
| henrynash | ! | 18:09 |
| fabio | spec changes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34478/ | 18:09 |
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| fabio | I also have done the spec change and code for the endpoint filtering bp | 18:09 |
| fabio | specs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34489/ | 18:10 |
| fabio | code: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33118/ | 18:10 |
| henrynash | fabio: we really need the api's agreed asap if this is going in to H2 | 18:10 |
| fabio | I agree | 18:10 |
| fabio | so far I incorporated all the suggestions | 18:11 |
| henrynash | fabio: I don't see a new version of the api posted after comments from Brant | 18:11 |
| fabio | I will push them in the early aft | 18:11 |
| fabio | are we ok in using the query string? | 18:11 |
| fabio | for opting out of the catalog? | 18:11 |
| henrynash | #action review new versions of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34478/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34489/ | 18:12 |
| gyee | +1 for query string | 18:12 |
| bknudson | seems weird to use a query string but I'm ok with whatever others want. | 18:12 |
| gyee | for a GET function, query string is RESTi | 18:12 |
| bknudson | it's not GET, it's POST | 18:13 |
| gyee | oh | 18:13 |
| bknudson | we've already got the body to provide all the options, so why spread them around to the query string. | 18:13 |
| gyee | wait, that authenticate or validate? | 18:13 |
| bknudson | there's no validate... https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/catalog-optional | 18:14 |
| bknudson | unless we were discussing another use of query options something else? | 18:14 |
| gyee | bknudson, yeah, I am ok with having it in the request body | 18:15 |
| atiwari | gyee: +1 | 18:15 |
| topol | +1 on request body | 18:16 |
| henrynash | #action fabio: wok with bknudson and gyee to update api | 18:16 |
| henrynash | #action fabio: work with bknudson and gyee to update api | 18:16 |
| henrynash | ok, any other key H2 api changing reviews needed? | 18:16 |
| atiwari | any thought about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/serviceid-binding-with-role-definition | 18:17 |
| atiwari | for H2 | 18:17 |
| gyee | I like the service-role relationship | 18:17 |
| henrynash | atiwari: so if it is going to be accepted for H, it must be in for H2… | 18:18 |
| atiwari | ok | 18:18 |
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| bknudson | unless we provide it an extension in H? | 18:18 |
| bknudson | "it as an extension" | 18:18 |
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| henrynash | bknudson: agreed! | 18:18 |
| gyee | I am fine with extension | 18:18 |
| atiwari | no, I am looking for core | 18:18 |
| bknudson | It can be core in I | 18:18 |
| atiwari | please see my comments in etherpad | 18:18 |
| henrynash | atiwari: link? | 18:19 |
| gyee | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/serviceid-binding-with-role-definition | 18:19 |
| atiwari | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/serviceid-binding-with-role-definition | 18:19 |
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| henrynash | atiwari: what about the comment about: How is this exposed to auth_token (and similar clients)? | 18:20 |
| atiwari | auth_token or auth middle ware ? | 18:21 |
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| atiwari | I added my response over there | 18:21 |
| henrynash | atiwari: both | 18:21 |
| gyee | service_id is in the roles | 18:21 |
| atiwari | and the token with have the service_id: role info | 18:22 |
| henrynash | ok, so right now we return a list of role_names in a token | 18:22 |
| atiwari | correct | 18:22 |
| atiwari | later it will be ({service_id:"Swift","role":"Admin"} | 18:22 |
| atiwari | Swift === 1234 | 18:22 |
| henrynash | atiwari: so every project will have to change how it process tokens to pass them to their policy engines? | 18:23 |
| gyee | henrynash, no, policy engines only knows role names | 18:23 |
| atiwari | no | 18:23 |
| gyee | service ID is a filtering mechanism | 18:23 |
| atiwari | there will abosolutly no change for service | 18:23 |
| gyee | auth_token -> filtered by service ID -> RBAC | 18:24 |
| henrynash | gyee: any who does the filtering? | 18:24 |
| gyee | henrynash, middleware/client | 18:24 |
| atiwari | service will consume roles the way they do it right now | 18:24 |
| henrynash | gyee, antiwar: so I am just nervous about changing our token format | 18:25 |
| gyee | define nervous :) | 18:25 |
| henrynash | (antiwar->atiwari !) | 18:26 |
| topol | nervous = people coming after us with torches and pitchforks | 18:26 |
| atiwari | may be we can un touch the token for H time frame | 18:26 |
| gyee | topol, in that case, all you have to do is change your username, like lopot :) | 18:26 |
| atiwari | lets make it in core and in I time we will change token | 18:27 |
| topol | yeah, that'll keep me safe. no one will see thru that | 18:27 |
| henrynash | gyee: so I'll admit I don't have the history to fully understand how all the projects extract info from the token | 18:27 |
| gyee | unless you username is bob | 18:27 |
| bknudson | people around here know how to find topol | 18:27 |
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| gyee | henrynash, service ID used to be part of role definition, prior to KSL | 18:27 |
| henrynash | gyee: udneratnd how auth middleware works, sure | 18:27 |
| henrynash | gyee: KSL? | 18:28 |
| gyee | Keystone Light | 18:28 |
| henrynash | ahh, keystone liygt | 18:28 |
| bknudson | still not sure why this can't be an extension for H | 18:29 |
| atiwari | henrynash: auth middle ware will filter only those roles which are need to the service which middle ware is serving to | 18:29 |
| henrynash | bknudson: I'd certainly lean that way | 18:29 |
| gyee | atiwari, any reason why it can't be an extension to start with? | 18:30 |
| gyee | it would certainly make henrynash feel less nervous | 18:30 |
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| henrynash | gyee: and I always appreciate that :-) | 18:30 |
| atiwari | I don't see any side effect of having it in core | 18:30 |
| atiwari | as it is backward compatible | 18:31 |
| atiwari | what I am saying is in first phase let s not touch our token | 18:31 |
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| gyee | atiwari, but can it be an extension, rather than it must be core | 18:32 |
| bknudson | how do we not change the token? | 18:32 |
| henrynash | atiwari: I also see the issue that as core you have 14 days to get it all agreed, implemented, merged with all the other high priority items hitting in the next 14 days | 18:32 |
| topol | +1 on starting as an extension | 18:32 |
| atiwari | yes, that is the real challenge | 18:32 |
| bknudson | auth_token isn't going to know what to do if there's nothing new in the token. | 18:32 |
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| atiwari | let's take it for ext | 18:33 |
| atiwari | how about that ? | 18:33 |
| henrynash | ok, I think tha's the best approach | 18:33 |
| gyee | +1 | 18:33 |
| atiwari | good | 18:34 |
| henrynash | #action antiwar to re-propose serviced role extensions as an extension for H | 18:34 |
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| henrynash | fyi on other H2 items, I do plan to try and get the OS-INHERIT extension in, but if it slips to H3 then so be it | 18:35 |
| henrynash | anything else on H2? | 18:35 |
| henrynash | #topic client unification and identity v3 support | 18:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "client unification and identity v3 support (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:36 | |
| henrynash | this is ensuring we have support for our v3 apis in other cli clients | 18:37 |
| henrynash | the keystone client v3 auth stuff is all in now | 18:37 |
| bknudson | do the other clients have the same policy to use unified cli as keystone? | 18:37 |
| henrynash | bknudson: you mean use openstackclient? | 18:37 |
| bknudson | I tried using openstack cli the other day and couldn't figure it out. | 18:37 |
| bknudson | henrynash: yes, the openstackclient. | 18:38 |
| bknudson | I should have said the other projects (nova, glance, etc) | 18:38 |
| gyee | bknudson, but what about at the lib level | 18:38 |
| henrynash | bknudson: so I'd hope so….but have to admit I don't see much action in that direction | 18:38 |
| bknudson | are we talking about the lib or the clis ? | 18:38 |
| gyee | both I suppose | 18:39 |
| bknudson | we're probably going to need the libs to use keystoneclient auth first... | 18:39 |
| gyee | have to be consistent | 18:39 |
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| henrynash | bknudson: so we need clis that support v3 (which means we wan them to use our v3 libs, of coriuse) | 18:39 |
| bknudson | the libs seems like the place to start. | 18:39 |
| gyee | yes | 18:40 |
| henrynash | bknudson:…and I think our libs are in good shape now, no? | 18:40 |
| gyee | is keystoneclient fully implemented the V3 API set? | 18:40 |
| bknudson | seems like this is something the core members of keystone should know... | 18:41 |
| bknudson | but I don't. | 18:41 |
| henrynash | gyee: I believe so…we pushed a bit change in a week or tow ago | 18:41 |
| henrynash | ..pushed a big change... | 18:41 |
| bknudson | support for v3 auth was the recent change. | 18:41 |
| bknudson | seems important for keystone | 18:41 |
| bknudson | but this is what the other client APIs would need to use. | 18:42 |
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| gyee | lets comb through the keystoneclient code to see if we have all the core APIs at least | 18:42 |
| henrynash | bknudson: exactly | 18:42 |
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| henrynash | bknuson: there was some uncertainly last time I raised this as to whether the other clis (nova, dance) etc, use our client libs….I was told they did | 18:43 |
| bknudson | my understanding is that they don't, but I didn't look into it. | 18:43 |
| topol | wasnt there an email that did an inventory of this? | 18:44 |
| henrynash | …in which case the task for them is sot switch to the v3 client libs and update the cli options so users can specify things like domains | 18:44 |
| topol | they were like all different | 18:44 |
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| bknudson | the clis should also all use the same "library" for the auth options. | 18:44 |
| bknudson | (provided by python-keystoneclient, maybe) | 18:45 |
| tiamar | glanceclient implements keystoneclients, the others dont | 18:45 |
| henrynash | #action cores: to do a quick check of the keystoneclient lib…see if you can spot anything missing | 18:45 |
| gyee | bknudson, looking at novaclient code, they seem to support auth plugins | 18:45 |
| henrynash | gyee, timar: i would think nova and glance would be our #1 and #2 targtes | 18:46 |
| gyee | henrynash, make sense | 18:46 |
| henrynash | tiamar: do you work with the glance client? | 18:47 |
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| bknudson | At the end of this, we would expect to be able to do something like "nova --user-domain=mydomain --user=bknudson --password=mypassword list" , for example | 18:47 |
| henrynash | tiamar: as in familiar with the code and contributors | 18:47 |
| henrynash | bknudson: yep | 18:47 |
| tiamar | henrynash, we did an internal job to the clients authenticate using keystone v3 | 18:48 |
| gyee | that bakes a question, why keystoneclient not part of oslo then? | 18:48 |
| gyee | if that's a common integration point | 18:48 |
| topol | gyee +1 | 18:48 |
| tiamar | henrynash, : i'm not familiar | 18:48 |
| henrynash | gyee: interesting | 18:49 |
| bknudson | python-keystoneclient is already a library... not sure why it needs to be an oslo libarary? | 18:49 |
| gyee | bknudson, what is oslo then? | 18:50 |
| bknudson | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-keystoneclient | 18:50 |
| bknudson | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/oslo.config/1.1.1 | 18:50 |
| gyee | I mean functionally | 18:51 |
| bknudson | oslo provides their common libraries, and then there's oslo-incubator | 18:51 |
| gyee | "common" | 18:51 |
| bknudson | like oslo.config is a common library | 18:51 |
| henrynash | so pretty sure for H, we won't change this | 18:51 |
| henrynash | the path we were on was: | 18:51 |
| henrynash | 1) we would release new version of python-keystone client that contained the new v3 auth | 18:52 |
| henrynash | 2) we would work with the other project clis to use the client lib | 18:52 |
| henrynash | £ | 18:52 |
| bknudson | join the euro-zone already | 18:53 |
| topol | :-) | 18:53 |
| henrynash | #action henry-nash to follow up on status of this and discuss with other cli leads | 18:53 |
| henrynash | (oops, not sure where the money came from!) | 18:53 |
| gyee | so just the v3 auth apis, not the whole shebang | 18:53 |
| topol | I could use some sterling guvnah | 18:54 |
| henrynash | gyee: well would the other apis ever get used by another cli? | 18:54 |
| gyee | probably not | 18:54 |
| bknudson | the openstack cli uses the libs | 18:54 |
| gyee | so does it make sense for v3 auth to be in oslo? | 18:54 |
| topol | gyee, why wouldnt it? | 18:55 |
| topol | its common right? Or we want it to be common | 18:55 |
| gyee | topol, it should | 18:55 |
| gyee | the common crypto stuff is already there | 18:55 |
| henrynash | gyee: that would makes some sense, just the v3 auth part | 18:55 |
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| gyee | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28471 | 18:56 |
| gyee | auth should be there as well | 18:56 |
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| henrynash | anyone have a reason why v3 auth shouldn't be in oslo | 18:56 |
| bknudson | that's a good candidate for the SecurityImpact tag. | 18:57 |
| bknudson | I don't see what we gain by putting it in oslo... they can already access it in python-keystoneclient. | 18:57 |
| bknudson | are we saying oslo-incubator ? | 18:57 |
| bknudson | If we put it in oslo-incubator, now we have to go through the work of importing it into all the other projects | 18:58 |
| gyee | openstack.common.auth | 18:58 |
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| gyee | consistency, common integration point, stable interface (hopefully) | 18:58 |
| henrynash | gyee: hmm, so that's different | 18:58 |
| henrynash | OK, 2 mins to go | 18:58 |
| bknudson | There's probably other keystoneclient function that should go in a common location... | 18:59 |
| bknudson | service catalog handling | 18:59 |
| henrynash | #topic open discussion (!) | 18:59 |
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| gyee | bknudson, sure | 18:59 |
| gyee | I think catalog should be there as well | 18:59 |
| gyee | catalog parsing | 18:59 |
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| henrynash | I think we'll have to continue that discussion elsewhere | 19:00 |
| henrynash | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 2 19:00:24 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-07-02-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-07-02-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-07-02-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
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| jeblair | hello ci/infra folks | 19:01 |
| clarkb | o/ | 19:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 19:01 |
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| pleia2 | o/ | 19:01 |
| ttx | \o | 19:02 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 19:02 |
| fungi | heya | 19:02 |
| jeblair | mordred, fungi: ping | 19:02 |
| clarkb | mordred is potentially on a plane | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 2 19:03:02 2013 UTC. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:03 |
| jeblair | last meeting: | 19:03 |
| jeblair | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-06-25-19.01.html | 19:03 |
| jeblair | agenda: | 19:03 |
| jeblair | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
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| jeblair | #topic Rename of the project formerly known as mutnuaq | 19:03 |
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| jeblair | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/neutron-renaming | 19:04 |
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| jeblair | markmcclain started an email thread with a few folks with a proposal for an alternate process | 19:04 |
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| jeblair | mordred and i batted that around a bit and come up with a revision of that | 19:04 |
| jeblair | markmcclain: does the latest revision there look good? should we add it to the wiki page? | 19:05 |
| markmcclain | I've going to more to the page | 19:05 |
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| markmcclain | it's the plan we kicked around with a little more info and links to the (pending) reviews in the task list | 19:06 |
| jeblair | here's what i sent (for folks not on the email thread): https://etherpad.openstack.org/vM4mUupvWl | 19:06 |
| jeblair | markmcclain: cool. should we go ahead and branch quantumclient? | 19:07 |
| markmcclain | not quiet yet.. I can ping you when it's ready | 19:08 |
| jeblair | markmcclain: ok. of course we can just branch at any time from whatever sha, so timing isn't critical. | 19:08 |
| ttx | yes, moving the latest plan to the page would be a good idea | 19:08 |
| jeblair | #action markmcclain update wiki page with latest repo move plan and links to changes | 19:08 |
| ttx | been receiving a few questions about it already | 19:08 |
| ttx | markmcclain: quantum-core LP team can't be renamed yet because you have a mailing-list on it | 19:10 |
| jeblair | yeah, i would have added it earlier, but didn't get a lot of feedback via email, so didn't want to jump the gun on publishing it to the wiki | 19:10 |
| clarkb | jeblair: the quantumclient branch is there purely to provide a backward compatible code location? | 19:10 |
| ttx | markmcclain: you still using that ? | 19:10 |
| markmcclain | ttx: ok.. that shoud be easy to address | 19:10 |
| markmcclain | you and I coordinate on it | 19:10 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yeah, it's there to receive a future change in step 6 that adds compat shims, etc, and we will manually publish a final quantumclient package from that branch | 19:11 |
| jeblair | clarkb: meanwhile, master will become neutronclient | 19:11 |
| ttx | markmcclain: I think the only way is to remove it completely | 19:12 |
| ttx | markmcclain: LP MLs are hard beasts to kill | 19:12 |
| clarkb | ttx: markmcclain we could create a new list on lists.o.o and push everyone that direction | 19:13 |
| ttx | clarkb: or just drop the elite list | 19:13 |
| clarkb | or that | 19:13 |
| markmcclain | I think we can kill the LP list | 19:14 |
| ttx | then I'll just remove quantum-core. The group is maintained on gerrit anyway | 19:14 |
| jeblair | #action ttx remove quantum-core lp team | 19:14 |
| jeblair | anything else about the neutron rename? | 19:15 |
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| jeblair | #action jeblair propose neutron repo rename changes | 19:15 |
| jeblair | (to the infra/config repo) | 19:16 |
| jeblair | markmcclain: thanks for stopping by! | 19:16 |
| jeblair | #topic Asterisk | 19:16 |
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| jeblair | i started a ml thread | 19:17 |
| fungi | i saw. it's generated useful discussion i think | 19:17 |
| markmcclain | jeblair: happy to | 19:17 |
| jeblair | my reading is that we should probably run asterisk 11 on centos | 19:17 |
| jeblair | did anyone else get something else out of that? | 19:17 |
| fungi | that is what i got from it | 19:17 |
| clarkb | ++, though pabelanger's puppet will need cleaning to support that | 19:18 |
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| fungi | since we've already got centos going in for cgit, it won't be the first non-jenkins-slave centos server choice for us | 19:18 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 19:18 |
| jeblair | yep, we are sliding down that slope. and fast. | 19:19 |
| fungi | so seems an entirely reasonable solution to the issue | 19:19 |
| dhellmann | which ML is that thread on? | 19:19 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: openstack-infra | 19:19 |
| jeblair | @lists.openstack.org | 19:19 |
| dhellmann | aha, ok | 19:19 |
| fungi | the alternative was apparently debian, once 11 is cleaned up enough for them to accept it. ubuntu's packages have apparently slipped out of regular maintenance | 19:19 |
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| jeblair | (which i find personally distressing) | 19:20 |
| fungi | yeah | 19:20 |
| jeblair | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2013-July/000115.html | 19:21 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: ^ | 19:21 |
| dhellmann | ty | 19:21 |
| * dhellmann was told that mailing list wasn't used ;-) | 19:21 | |
| jeblair | so i'll follow up to that thread | 19:21 |
| fungi | dhellmann: you should flog whoever told you that | 19:21 |
| fungi | it's just nicely low-volume | 19:22 |
| dhellmann | heh | 19:22 |
| dhellmann | np, I just hadn't bothered signing up yet | 19:22 |
| jeblair | #topic Need of MongoDB >= 2.1 for Ceilometer (jd__, fungi) | 19:23 |
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| jeblair | fungi: ? | 19:23 |
| fungi | jd__ wanted to talk about options for a newer mongodb on ubuntu precise | 19:23 |
| jd__ | o/ | 19:23 |
| fungi | apparently the one there is well behind the one on centos 6 | 19:23 |
| jd__ | I'm building patches using MongoDB >= 2.1 for Ceilometer | 19:23 |
| jd__ | yep, CentOS has 2.2 and Precise 2.0 | 19:24 |
| fungi | zul suggested ubuntu might be able to carry a raring backport to precise in the cloud archive | 19:24 |
| jeblair | fascinating | 19:24 |
| clarkb | it sounded like there are vendor packages and zul could potentially add them to cloud archive? | 19:24 |
| fungi | and yes, 10gen supposedly also has some debs we could use instead | 19:24 |
| jd__ | zul could do backport from 2.2 or 2.4 I imagine, which are in raring | 19:24 |
| fungi | we just wanted to get a broader consensus on what would be doable/preferable | 19:25 |
| jeblair | i think cloud archive sounds like the way to go... part of what we want to uncover by setting the supported testing platforms the way we did is breakage on different os platforms | 19:25 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:25 |
| fungi | another fallback alternative was to only test mongodb under python 2.6, which would ensure it happens exclusively on centos | 19:25 |
| jeblair | so if openstack is going to require (or even optional-require, which i think is the case here), we should try to stick to the base os as much as possible | 19:25 |
| fungi | but yes, that misses the different platforms thing | 19:25 |
| jd__ | so best thing to do is like pinging zul to get things moving into Ubuntu I guess? | 19:26 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:27 |
| jeblair | jd__: yeah, i think that's the best way to go. | 19:27 |
| fungi | i think we also need to resurrect the old task/patch to add cloud archive on our precise slaves, yeah? | 19:27 |
| clarkb | jd__: sounds like it. Then once the new packages are in the cloud archive we can make sure those packages end up on the slaves | 19:27 |
| jd__ | sounds like a good plan to me | 19:27 |
| jeblair | fungi: yeah, if we didn't merge that. | 19:27 |
| fungi | we abandoned the attempt back when we wanted to use quantal, then we decided we didn't want to use quantal | 19:27 |
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| jeblair | mordred: any thoughts on this subject? | 19:28 |
| fungi | pretty sure it was never revisited at that point | 19:28 |
| mordred | reading scrollback | 19:28 |
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| jeblair | mordred: since you o/'d... | 19:28 |
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| mordred | oh, I was just indicating that I was now online and here | 19:28 |
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| mordred | but I think we should ping zul about cloud-archive | 19:28 |
| jeblair | cool | 19:29 |
| jeblair | #topic open discussion | 19:29 |
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| jeblair | thanks to everyone who came to the bootcamp | 19:29 |
| mordred | +1000 | 19:29 |
| pleia2 | it was great :) | 19:29 |
| anteaya | thanks for having it | 19:29 |
| dprince | thanks mordred for going to all the trouble. | 19:29 |
| anteaya | +1 | 19:29 |
| clarkb | indeed | 19:30 |
| fungi | yes, i'm thrilled it went so well | 19:30 |
| clarkb | I suppose it is worth mentioning that Thursday is a US holiday so it will be quiet around here for many of us | 19:31 |
| jeblair | yes, i'll be afk | 19:31 |
| fungi | oh! right, i'll be incommunicado for a good chunk of tomorrow (flying to tampa) | 19:32 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I got a lot out of it, so thanks for organizing and hosting us! | 19:32 |
| clarkb | me too, Thurday and Friday I will be mostly AFK. But back for Saturday fun | 19:32 |
| fungi | yes, i've cleared at least a couple hours saturday starting at 1600z | 19:32 |
| fungi | i'll hack from the hotel as needed | 19:32 |
| jeblair | maybe we could swap in a new zuul on saturday too | 19:32 |
| clarkb | ooh | 19:33 |
| fungi | i'm game | 19:33 |
| jeblair | perhaps even one that reloads its configuration instantly | 19:33 |
| clarkb | that would be so shiny | 19:33 |
| fungi | reloads its configuration before you even knew you wanted to update it | 19:33 |
| ttx | and finds acceptable new name all by itself | 19:33 |
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| jeblair | ttx: hehe, i wonder if we could make a gate check for project names... :) | 19:34 |
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| ttx | make them googleflight and choose the looser. | 19:34 |
| ttx | fight* | 19:34 |
| fungi | and then we could name that gozer | 19:35 |
| * fungi ducks | 19:35 | |
| pleia2 | :) | 19:35 |
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| jeblair | huh. duckduckgo has a really cool api. | 19:35 |
| jeblair | anything else, or shall we call this meeting done? | 19:37 |
| clarkb | I don't have anything. Been trying to get through lots of code review so not much new | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | I don't have any updates | 19:38 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: yeah, that list got long again | 19:38 |
| fungi | yep, lots to review | 19:38 |
| fungi | i keep getting nose-down in other stuff and then look up and it's a mile long | 19:38 |
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| jeblair | thanks everyone! | 19:39 |
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| jeblair | #endmeeting | 19:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 2 19:39:57 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-07-02-19.03.html | 19:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-07-02-19.03.txt | 19:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-07-02-19.03.log.html | 19:40 |
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| amor | hello | 19:59 |
| ttx | Who is around for the TC meeting ? | 19:59 |
| * NobodyCam is | 19:59 | |
| mikal | Hi | 19:59 |
| notmyname | here | 19:59 |
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| shardy | shardy here | 19:59 |
| annegentle | here | 19:59 |
| ttx | russellb, jd__, markmc, galstrom, mordred, markwash, jgriffith, vishy, gabrielhurley, markmcclain: around ? | 20:00 |
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| jd__ | o/ | 20:00 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:00 |
| markmc | yep | 20:00 |
| vishy | o/ | 20:00 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 2 20:01:05 2013 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:01 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 20:01 |
| russellb | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | Agenda for today is at: | 20:01 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee | 20:01 |
| ttx | #topic "Programs" definition and define initial set | 20:01 |
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| ttx | thread is at: | 20:01 |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-June/010950.html | 20:01 |
| ttx | It's been a wordy and confused thread, largely my fault | 20:02 |
| ttx | let me summarize it | 20:02 |
| mordred | meh. it's a hard thing to get right without making things to nit-picky | 20:02 |
| ttx | My initial try at it was ripped off as a bit integratedrelease-centric | 20:02 |
| ttx | We have a number of ways forward that would be generally compatible with the current bylaws/charter: | 20:02 |
| ttx | (1) is to consider that "Programs" and "Projects" are two different types of things, with "Projects" producing at least a server/integrated IaaS piece and needing to go through incubation, while "Programs" do not | 20:03 |
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| ttx | (2) is to consider that everything is a "Program", with the TC imposing program incubation on a case-by-case basis (those having the main goal of producing a server/integrated IaaS piece would almost always go through incubation) | 20:03 |
| ttx | (3) is to consider that everything is a "Program". Some programs produce an integrated/server project, and that project (not the program) would still go through incubation | 20:03 |
| mordred | I like 3. it seems to expres reality the best | 20:03 |
| ttx | Personally I like (3) because it gives us flexibility, and preserves most of the project/incubation concepts as defined in bylaws/charter while not being elitist about it | 20:04 |
| mordred | and expresses what we're already doing more than any of our previous things have | 20:04 |
| jd__ | +1 | 20:04 |
| annegentle | ttx: I like non-elitist and inclusionary | 20:04 |
| mordred | annegentle: ++ | 20:04 |
| markmc | I'm fine with 3, except the idea that we'd have multiple server projects under a program | 20:04 |
| markmc | e.g. merging Nova and Quantum into a program | 20:04 |
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| annegentle | markmc: what's a server project again (I know it was in the ml thread but I'd like to hear more 'splanation) | 20:05 |
| ttx | markmc: that would make no sense, since those are different teams | 20:05 |
| mordred | I'm perfectly fine with a program having multiple server projects - but I think that's a fight for later if it comes up | 20:05 |
| markmc | annegentle, nova, glance, etc. - anything with a REST API | 20:05 |
| ttx | annegentle: pieces that might become "core" | 20:05 |
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| markmc | ttx, right | 20:05 |
| mikal | Option three also means that a program can have more than one project, and not all are integrated by default | 20:05 |
| markmc | now, (1) is the most incremental option | 20:05 |
| mordred | mikal: yeah. like oslo or infra | 20:05 |
| markmc | leave server projects as they are, introduce programs for other stuff | 20:05 |
| ttx | markmc: solution (3) definitely leaves things open, so you should expect refinement | 20:06 |
| mordred | I thnk that's what I like about it - it doesn't get to legalistic and nitpicky | 20:06 |
| mordred | too | 20:06 |
| * ttx puts solution (3) text on etherpad, just a sec | 20:06 | |
| NobodyCam | mordred: +1 it doesn't get to legalistic and nitpicky | 20:06 |
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| jgriffith | o/ | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | it also defines boundaries for programs based on the feature area rather than based on how code is organized | 20:07 |
| ttx | text @ https://etherpad.openstack.org/programs-draft | 20:07 |
| notmyname | I also like 3 because the concept of "programs" as "stuff needed for us to fulfill the mission" is a self-limiting group. it doesn't grow without bounds | 20:07 |
| ttx | note that solution (3) means Trove and Ironic would be established as programs, since they have a project in incubation | 20:08 |
| * NobodyCam notes | 20:08 | |
| mikal | What does a program get? | 20:08 |
| mordred | notmyname: ++ | 20:08 |
| annegentle | just wondering "aloud" -- what if vagueness causes more confusion and a rush of applications? | 20:08 |
| mikal | Does that mean a long term commitment to a summit track for those programs? | 20:08 |
| mikal | Even if incubation fails? | 20:08 |
| mordred | mikal: stuff it produces//works on granks atc status and it gets to put things into the openstack/ namespace | 20:09 |
| mordred | like, working on a program == working on openstack, even if you aren't hacking on nova | 20:09 |
| ttx | I think if incubation really fails (and is not merely delayed), we would consider removing the program | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 20:09 |
| mordred | and yes to what ttx said | 20:09 |
| markmc | mikal, the TC can't really make a commitment about summit time, we don't run it | 20:09 |
| jgriffith | ttx: +1 | 20:09 |
| mikal | Ok | 20:09 |
| mordred | but I think that there will be programs without incubation things | 20:10 |
| ttx | markmc: well, we kinda run the Design summit. | 20:10 |
| markmc | so, what's "our mission" ? | 20:10 |
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| markmc | ttx, kinda, but we don't decide how many days/rooms/etc. there'll be ... without bounds anyway | 20:10 |
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| ttx | markmc: the openstack project mission is defined and I think still valid | 20:10 |
| markmc | ttx, yep, just can't find it off hand | 20:10 |
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| markmc | ttx, unless you mean the foundation's mission | 20:10 |
| mordred | To produce the ubiquitous OpenSource Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 20:11 |
| ttx | https://wiki.openstack.org ? | 20:11 |
| markmc | cool, thanks | 20:11 |
| jgriffith | mordred: hehe... | 20:11 |
| annegentle | mikal: we had a lot of discussion in the IncUp about what you "get" when you're integrated | 20:11 |
| mordred | "simple to implement" may still need work | 20:11 |
| annegentle | mikal: that might help | 20:11 |
| * annegentle looks for those notes | 20:11 | |
| markmc | mordred, indeed | 20:11 |
| mikal | ok | 20:11 |
| ttx | (FYI galstrom proxies dolphm's vote) | 20:11 |
| galstrom | (sorry for being late) | 20:12 |
| mordred | galstrom: o hai dolphm | 20:12 |
| mordred | ;) | 20:12 |
| ttx | Is version 3 as described on the Etherpad acceptable for everyone ? Shall we vote ? | 20:12 |
| annegentle | ttx: what release management does being a program qualify the program for? | 20:12 |
| mordred | nothing | 20:12 |
| markmc | ttx, are you saying we don't add any mention of programs to our charter? | 20:12 |
| annegentle | mikal: see line 113 of https://etherpad.openstack.org/IncUp | 20:12 |
| mikal | annegentle: thanks | 20:12 |
| mordred | annegentle: release management is for integrated projects, I believe | 20:13 |
| ttx | markmc: hmm | 20:13 |
| markmc | "under the oversight of the TC" vs "not mentioned in the TC charter" ? | 20:13 |
| jgriffith | ttx: so I guess my question with this is how is it really different than what we're doing already? | 20:13 |
| annegentle | mordred: right and if we take away "projects" what happens to release management | 20:13 |
| mordred | annegentle: I do not believe we are taking away projects | 20:13 |
| annegentle | mordred: ah ok | 20:13 |
| ttx | jgriffith: what we're doing already is operating in a bit of vacuum. | 20:14 |
| mordred | jgriffith: it's not. it just captures an area where we don't have a place to do things and have been doing them by force of good will | 20:14 |
| jgriffith | ttx: mordred suppose those are very good points | 20:14 |
| ttx | we've been struggling to create project categories | 20:14 |
| ttx | to match reality | 20:14 |
| jgriffith | ttx: mordred but we seem so concerned/worried about applying definitions/buckets to anything that I don't know what we solve here really | 20:14 |
| mordred | if we notice no appreciable difference in our lives after this, we've done our jobs well | 20:14 |
| jgriffith | mordred: I disagree | 20:14 |
| markwash | it also opens up the possibility that we could better promote traction behind an incubating project by accepting the program it is living under | 20:15 |
| jgriffith | mordred: I would argue that we haven't done our jobs | 20:15 |
| mordred | jgriffith: not trying to add a bucket ... more trying to find a path to bless some efforts that don't have server projects associated with them | 20:15 |
| ttx | jgriffith: "programs" actually let us remove categories | 20:15 |
| markwash | well s/incubating/pre-incubating/ | 20:15 |
| mordred | markwash: yes. indeed | 20:15 |
| jgriffith | mordred: ttx ok | 20:15 |
| ttx | See "OpenStack projects" under https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/TechnicalCommittee | 20:15 |
| jgriffith | mordred: ttx perhaps I'm just not seeing the bigger picture, and I agree 100% about inclusion | 20:16 |
| ttx | jgriffith: programs let us be goal-oriented rather than repo-oriented | 20:16 |
| markmc | jgriffith, the specific example here is tripleo - how does it transition from something that we all generally approve of, to something officially recognized | 20:16 |
| markmc | jgriffith, aside from incubating a server project | 20:16 |
| mordred | and without us having a conversation about every little repo it might produce | 20:16 |
| ttx | markmc: I guess you are right, we need to get rid of that chapter of the charter and replace it with a description of programs | 20:17 |
| jgriffith | markmc: sighh... Yeah, I get that point (sort of) | 20:17 |
| mordred | sort of like how infra generates new repos weekly, but doesn't need to come to the TC each time | 20:17 |
| markmc | ttx, I'm fine with us doing that later, just that it does need to happen | 20:17 |
| notmyname | seems to be a halfway step to the "categories" model that we were just discussing a few weeks ago (which is another reason I like it) | 20:17 |
| mordred | notmyname: ++ | 20:17 |
| jgriffith | I guess the issue is I still have the unpopular notion of core versus other etc | 20:17 |
| markwash | how does #3 affect incubation again? | 20:17 |
| mordred | markwash: incubation for projects is still as before | 20:17 |
| jgriffith | personally it's hard enough to "explain" OpenStack as it is, let alone with everything but the kitchen sink thrown in | 20:18 |
| mordred | if a server project wants to become part of the integrated release, it needs to come to the TC and apply for incubation | 20:18 |
| markmc | markwash, server projects go through incubation still | 20:18 |
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| ttx | markwash: teams that work on project X would apply to become a program and we'd answer "yes, and X goes through incubation" | 20:18 |
| ttx | so it's basically the same | 20:18 |
| markwash | I guess I'm a bit hazy about what a "server project" is. . I understand the current example, but "having a rest api" seems a bit too specific | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | or "yes and X should be part of an existing program"? | 20:19 |
| jgriffith | ttx: mordred markmc but I do see your points | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | so how does this affect, if at all, us projects in incubation? | 20:19 |
| notmyname | markmc: seems to make sense that the programs would be incubated and then they can produce the code and repos necessary for them to fulfill their own mission | 20:19 |
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| markwash | I'm not sure we have to resolve the incubation problem right now though | 20:19 |
| markmc | notmyname, I think ttx's definition is that programs get accepted, then any server projects they produce go through incubation | 20:19 |
| ttx | hub_cap: your effort becomes a "program" which produces trove and python-troveclient | 20:19 |
| notmyname | hub_cap: it's very simple. everything doesn't change, except where it does | 20:19 |
| markwash | lol | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | hah notmyname | 20:20 |
| mordred | notmyname: haha | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | ttx: makes sense. and then we can remove trove-integration from the openstack github, eh? | 20:20 |
| ttx | let me have a try at a charter wording change | 20:20 |
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| mordred | hub_cap: you can remove that when your integration tests are part of the normal set of them | 20:21 |
| markmc | this would be much more fun if we were in a room together | 20:21 |
| markmc | ttx drafting the charter changes | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | mordred: shhhh | 20:21 |
| markmc | while we all sit there and .... stare | 20:21 |
| markmc | no pressure ttx | 20:21 |
| mordred | markmc: we should totally have weekly onsite meetings | 20:21 |
| notmyname | markmc: why are client libraries or docs (ie official deliverables of openstack) different than "server" projects? seems a distinction without a difference. either all should be incubated or all should get approval from being in a program | 20:21 |
| markmc | mordred, I'm all for it | 20:22 |
| mikal | mordred: heh, that would comsume three days of my week each time | 20:22 |
| mikal | s/comsume/consume/ | 20:22 |
| markmc | notmyname, we've only ever incubated server projects, why is that? | 20:22 |
| mordred | notmyname: well, client libs have a different release cycle | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | notmyname: good point. where does the unified command line fit? | 20:22 |
| * jgriffith votes for first meeting in Boulder Co :) | 20:22 | |
| mordred | notmyname: because the server release cycle for client libs would be the worst idea ever | 20:22 |
| hub_cap | on a tractor jgriffith? | 20:22 |
| mikal | jgriffith: Hawaii is more central | 20:22 |
| jgriffith | hub_cap: indeed.... although I was thinking horseback :) | 20:22 |
| markmc | notmyname, the fact that they end up defining an API that cloud users interact at is a big distinction, I think | 20:23 |
| mordred | notmyname: I think our 'release' has always been 'the software you need to run a cloud' | 20:23 |
| * jgriffith likes the point made by mikal | 20:23 | |
| mordred | mikal: ++ | 20:23 |
| markwash | ttx: I think I have resolved my confusion. . from the current charter it seems like we still need a section that says "integrated projects are things part of the coordinated release, and incubated projects are repos that are in the process of becoming integrated projects" | 20:23 |
| notmyname | basically, if we are approving a community, not lines of code, then the incubation should apply to the community and procedures, not the linter's view of the python | 20:23 |
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| mordred | notmyname: I don't think we're approving a community | 20:23 |
| markwash | ttx: the key feature (of incubated projects) being not whether or not a repo has a rest api, but if it needs to be part of a coordinated release | 20:23 |
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| mordred | notmyname: I think we're approving a mission or an outcome or a direction of work | 20:24 |
| notmyname | mordred: ok, I'll buy that | 20:24 |
| ttx | markwash: incubation is actually not described in the charter at all, since it's more a process | 20:24 |
| markwash | ttx: oh maybe I'm confusing the charter with something else then | 20:24 |
| markmc | markwash, see the debate on the thread about whether oslo and docs are part of the release | 20:24 |
| markwash | ttx: I was reading https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/TechnicalCommittee | 20:24 |
| markwash | duh, obviously that is not the charter | 20:25 |
| notmyname | mordred: but doesn't the idea of approving programs that "can create any code repository and produce any deliverable they deem necessary to achieve their goals" kinda make "incubation" a weird concept? | 20:25 |
| markmc | markwash, s/oslo/oslo libraries/ | 20:25 |
| notmyname | mordred: especially if by contributing in a program you are considered an ATC | 20:25 |
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| mordred | notmyname: I don't think so - I think that incubation is about including the output of one or more of those repos into the thing that we integrate and release as a cloud | 20:25 |
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| mordred | notmyname: currently, contributing to tempest and openstakc-infra gets you ATC- both are clearly 'working on openstack' the project | 20:26 |
| notmyname | mordred: sounds like beta features in a release | 20:26 |
| mordred | notmyname: but neither are part of our coordinated release | 20:26 |
| ttx | hah, those charter changes are not trivial | 20:26 |
| mordred | because releasing either one makes no sense | 20:26 |
| ttx | I need to spend more time on thaht | 20:26 |
| notmyname | ttx: this surprises you? :-) | 20:26 |
| mordred | ttx: I'm disappointed in your ability to spit out legalese! | 20:27 |
| ttx | notmyname: I don't really expect a conflict, it's just that I need to make sure to catch all corner cases | 20:27 |
| mordred | ttx: so - can I make a suggestion? | 20:27 |
| ttx | Like "Project Technical Leads" that would become "Program technical leads" ? | 20:27 |
| mordred | ttx: with the board, we vote on the motion itself, and then the lawyer goes back after and makes the legal language work | 20:27 |
| notmyname | ttx: "so I'll just make this small change to this threadpool code. probably doesn't have any major side effects" ;-) | 20:27 |
| notmyname | ttx: s/threadpool code/legal document/ | 20:28 |
| mordred | notmyname: hehe | 20:28 |
| ttx | mordred: yeah, i was thinking something along those lines | 20:28 |
| markmc | mordred, the board? | 20:28 |
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| mordred | markmc: yeah. when we vote on things with the foundation board, we are not voting on the exact language | 20:28 |
| markmc | mordred, ah, ok - go it | 20:29 |
| mordred | markmc: the foundation lawyer goes back and writes the appropriate legalese later | 20:29 |
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| markmc | mordred, read that as "we ask the board to vote on this" | 20:29 |
| ttx | I'm fine with updating the charter based on the outcome of the vote | 20:29 |
| mordred | NO GOD NO | 20:29 |
| markmc | mordred, which I knew you didn't mean :) | 20:29 |
| ttx | and then if a TC member thinks I misrepresented, we can revisit | 20:29 |
| * mordred runs screaming and sets markmc on fire | 20:29 | |
| markmc | ttx, sounds good | 20:29 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:29 |
| annegentle | one open question to me is, do we enable incubated programs where we already have a program that has the same charter/mission? | 20:29 |
| ttx | The only thing I see which might be an issue is that PTLs would now mean Program Technical Lead. | 20:30 |
| mordred | annegentle: I think that would be a judgement call by the TC each time. I find it unlikely that we would choose to do that though | 20:30 |
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| mordred | like, I think I'd eat my own hair if we did | 20:30 |
| annegentle | mordred: okay similar to "we already have a dbaas" or some such | 20:31 |
| mordred | right | 20:31 |
| annegentle | mordred: bleh on the hair-eating | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | ya annegentle!!!!! trove ;) | 20:31 |
| mordred | I mean - who knows - maybe one day we'll all be drunk and think "two dbaas projects would make our lives better" | 20:31 |
| markwash | I guess I really don't understand the need to say "server" on line 13 of the etherpad | 20:31 |
| markwash | 'integrated' deliverable seems sufficient | 20:31 |
| ttx | markwash: that's markmc's fault. | 20:32 |
| ttx | I can fix | 20:32 |
| mordred | I agree with markwash | 20:32 |
| markmc | so, only 'integrated' projects in the release? | 20:32 |
| markmc | how do I make oslo libs 'integrated'? | 20:32 |
| markmc | incubation? | 20:32 |
| ttx | markmc: no | 20:32 |
| ttx | only 'integrated' projects in the 'integrated projects' release? | 20:33 |
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| markmc | do we have any other coordinated release? | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | mordred: the case for 2 similar projects is to support a deprecated version while migrating to a new one, no? | 20:33 |
| markmc | so, only 'integrated' projects in the *coordinated* 6 monthly release? | 20:33 |
| mordred | dhellmann: sure. I just think it's a case-by-case basis and probably quite rare | 20:33 |
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| * dhellmann nods | 20:33 | |
| ttx | markmc: hmm | 20:34 |
| mordred | markmc: I think that's a different conversation | 20:34 |
| notmyname | if a program has a library that a server depends on, does the library have to be "integrated" or incubated? | 20:34 |
| markmc | I'm fine with us punting the discussion about the coordinated release | 20:34 |
| * notmyname throws grenades | 20:34 | |
| mordred | markmc: one that we should have, but I think it's different | 20:34 |
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| markmc | as long as the definition of programs prevents it from having non-server release deliverables | 20:35 |
| markmc | sigh | 20:35 |
| markmc | as long as the definition of programs *doesn't* prevent them from having non-server release deliverables | 20:35 |
| ttx | markmc: note that the current wording doesn't close any door. You can still be incubated (or not incubated) whatever happens | 20:35 |
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| markmc | ttx, oslo libs would be incubated? | 20:35 |
| ttx | anyway | 20:35 |
| mordred | right. and I don't think it does. I think it purely describes a process, and lets us as the TC make decisions about which things should be in that thing | 20:35 |
| * annegentle gets ready for a document scope discussion with the TC in the future | 20:36 | |
| ttx | markmc: I don't see why they would. They are ripped from prevoisouly-integrated code | 20:36 |
| markmc | ok, I guess we're saying 'integrated' == 'server' | 20:37 |
| markwash | markmc: I feel like the need to be integrated comes from how tightly other OS projects as a group need to couple to a single release version | 20:37 |
| hub_cap | ttx: feel free to use trove as a example to the process update, im still a bit fuzzy on the whole process ;) | 20:37 |
| markmc | which does seem weird to me | 20:37 |
| ttx | markmc: that's due to the origins of the 'integrated' concept | 20:37 |
| markmc | but there can be deliverables which aren't Integrated ... even if they are integrated (little 'i' integrated) | 20:38 |
| ttx | which was as you remember certainly to replace "core" | 20:38 |
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| ttx | markmc: right, another name, another fight, another day | 20:38 |
| markmc | ok | 20:38 |
| annegentle | aww no fighting | 20:38 |
| markmc | ttx, ok, changing to big-I integrated | 20:39 |
| ttx | I agree that there are a lot of things that are integrated and not part of what I/our documentation calls 'Integrated' | 20:39 |
| markwash | imagine we built a shared messaging system that was used for cross project notifications. . perhaps all projects couple to it in a way that requires versions to be synced, so it is integrated | 20:39 |
| markmc | now it's really like a legal doc | 20:39 |
| ttx | which is confusing | 20:39 |
| markwash | but it is not a server, because it doesn't have a server component | 20:39 |
| ttx | markmc: so we can probably vote on it :) | 20:39 |
| ttx | any more remark on the text before we put it to vote | 20:39 |
| ttx | ? | 20:40 |
| ttx | https://etherpad.openstack.org/programs-draft <- | 20:40 |
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| notmyname | ttx: can you paste it somewhere more permanently tied to the chat logs? | 20:40 |
| markmc | ttx, list of defined terms at the bottom :) | 20:40 |
| * markmc good to vote | 20:40 | |
| * mordred good to vote | 20:40 | |
| ttx | markmc: trick is those are defined ELSEWHERE. | 20:41 |
| markmc | ttx, yeah, I'm just finding a link to stick in | 20:41 |
| ttx | notmyname: err... I could send it to -dev, I guess | 20:41 |
| notmyname | ttx: eh...etherpad seems quite ephemeral | 20:42 |
| ttx | or paste it all over the channel | 20:42 |
| ttx | if that works with everyone | 20:42 |
| markwash | well | 20:42 |
| annegentle | markwash: good case, works with a program to me | 20:42 |
| * notmyname is fine with a channel flood (don't kline yourself) | 20:42 | |
| jgriffith | notmyname: my etherpads from 3 summits ago are still around :) | 20:42 |
| ttx | OK, quiet while I paste | 20:42 |
| notmyname | jgriffith: rainbow text with no context or idea who edited what | 20:42 |
| ttx | """ | 20:43 |
| ttx | 'OpenStack Programs' are efforts which are essential to the completion of our mission. Programs can create any code repository and produce any deliverable they deem necessary to achieve their goals. | 20:43 |
| ttx | Programs are placed under the oversight of the Technical Committee, and contributing to one of their code repositories grants you ATC status. | 20:43 |
| ttx | Current efforts or teams which want to be recognized as an 'OpenStack Program' should place a request to the Technical Committee, including a clear mission statement describing how they help the OpenStack general mission and how that effort is essential to the completion of our mission. | 20:43 |
| ttx | If programs have a goal that includes the production of an 'Integrated' deliverable, that specific deliverable would still need to go through an Incubation period. | 20:44 |
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| ttx | The initial Programs are 'Nova', 'Swift', 'Cinder', 'Neutron', 'Horizon', 'Glance', 'Keystone', 'Heat', 'Ceilometer', 'Documentation', 'Infrastructure', 'QA', 'Oslo', 'Trove' and 'Ironic'. Those programs should retroactively submit a mission statement and initial lead designation, if they don't have one already. | 20:44 |
| ttx | The TC asks that the chair modifies the charter accordingly, including replacing the word "Projects" by "Programs" where appropriate. | 20:45 |
| ttx | """ | 20:45 |
| ttx | phew | 20:45 |
| notmyname | ttx: thanks :-) | 20:45 |
| gabrielhurley | nicely pasted | 20:45 |
| jgriffith | golf clap | 20:45 |
| * mordred is proud of ttx | 20:45 | |
| ttx | #startvote Accept above "Programs" definition? yes, no, abstain | 20:46 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Accept above "Programs" definition? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. | 20:46 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:46 |
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| ttx | #vote yes | 20:46 |
| annegentle | #vote yes | 20:46 |
| jd__ | #vote yes | 20:46 |
| NobodyCam | #vote yes | 20:46 |
| markmc | #vote yes | 20:46 |
| gabrielhurley | #vote yes | 20:46 |
| mikal | #vote yes | 20:46 |
| markwash | #vote yes | 20:46 |
| galstrom | #vote yes | 20:46 |
| shardy | #vote yes | 20:46 |
| ttx | NobodyCam: actually your vote doesn't count. | 20:46 |
| mordred | #vote yes | 20:46 |
| notmyname | #vote yes | 20:46 |
| markmcclain | #vote yes | 20:47 |
| jgriffith | #vote yes | 20:47 |
| ttx | 30 more seconds | 20:47 |
| NobodyCam | lol :) | 20:47 |
| russellb | #vote yes | 20:47 |
| ttx | #endvote | 20:47 |
| openstack | Voted on "Accept above "Programs" definition?" Results are | 20:47 |
| openstack | yes (15): markmc, ttx, galstrom, annegentle, jd__, shardy, russellb, markwash, mikal, mordred, gabrielhurley, NobodyCam, jgriffith, markmcclain, notmyname | 20:47 |
| ttx | we'll say that NobodyCam was proxying vishy. | 20:48 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:48 |
| gabrielhurley | lol | 20:48 |
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| ttx | We'll be starting the discussion on Design Summit soon | 20:48 |
| mordred | cool. | 20:48 |
| ttx | like how to fill that time in the most productive manner | 20:48 |
| markmcclain | can we create a program to manage it :) | 20:49 |
| mordred | ttx: is the process for tripleo now to submit a motion to the TC for a week of mailing list discussion before a vote? | 20:49 |
| NobodyCam | how long will programs like Ironic have to come up with the a mission statement | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | +Trove | 20:49 |
| jgriffith | NobodyCam: 30 seconds | 20:49 |
| mordred | NobodyCam: you will have one in 5 minutes or you will be killed | 20:49 |
| NobodyCam | ieeek | 20:49 |
| ttx | mordred: indeed. Note that with July 4th time is running a bit short for public discussion | 20:49 |
| mordred | sigh | 20:49 |
| mordred | is anyone here likely to vote against it? | 20:50 |
| * mordred cires | 20:50 | |
| annegentle | yeah let's set a deadline of Aug 1st or so for programs | 20:50 |
| * mordred doesn't know what cires is | 20:50 | |
| ttx | mordred: I think the discussion would be around whther Ironic should be merged with it, since the goal statement would be quite similar ? | 20:50 |
| annegentle | special mordred tears | 20:50 |
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| ttx | NobodyCam: yesterday ? | 20:51 |
| mordred | ttx: hrm. I don't think either tripleo or ironic want to merge - but, sure, worth discussing | 20:51 |
| hub_cap | Trove mission statement: to piss off mordred in some way | 20:51 |
| jgriffith | hub_cap: priceless | 20:51 |
| ttx | mordred: are those completely disjoint teams ? | 20:51 |
| mordred | ttx: largely, yes | 20:51 |
| markmc | yeah, I buy ironic as a separate thing | 20:51 |
| ttx | mordred: I'd still be interested to see that mission statement from TripleO | 20:52 |
| ttx | as well as Ironic's for that matter | 20:52 |
| jgriffith | to run the ubiquitous cloud on the ubiquitous cloud | 20:52 |
| mordred | k. | 20:52 |
| * markwash wonders about Glance's mission statement. . . | 20:52 | |
| * mordred admits that he's trying to ram something in so that we dont' have to do two gerrit downtime renames over the next month | 20:52 | |
| * mordred stops trying to do that | 20:53 | |
| ttx | Had a question... shall programs coming from classic projects be named after the project name ("Nova") ? Or the IaaS piece name ("Compute') ? | 20:53 |
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| mordred | ttx: let's make bryce happy and make the program named for the non-codename | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | lol | 20:53 |
| russellb | codenames 4 life | 20:54 |
| markmcclain | +1 to using formal names for programs | 20:54 |
| russellb | (fine with using formal name) | 20:54 |
| ttx | mordred: that would be my position too. The project is the project. The effort around that project is more tied to the goal than to the project | 20:54 |
| mordred | ttx: yup. and bryce and friends are usually talking about the goal rather than the codebase | 20:54 |
| ttx | now I'm confused. | 20:54 |
| ttx | ;) | 20:54 |
| * markwash wants to change Glance's mission and formal name :-( | 20:55 | |
| NobodyCam | using the OoO and iRonic example. what would that program be named | 20:55 |
| mordred | bryce and friends should be a tv show | 20:55 |
| mordred | NobodyCam: Ironic: "OpenStack Bare Metal"? - TripleO: "OpenStack on OpenStack" ? | 20:55 |
| ttx | markwash: you want to be the "Ministry of silly walks" program ? | 20:55 |
| mordred | markwash: to what? | 20:55 |
| markwash | mordred: boot images are too narrow | 20:56 |
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| mordred | markwash: your name is boot images? | 20:56 |
| markwash | plus glance light would probably be /dev/null | 20:56 |
| annegentle | formal name/ real name :) | 20:56 |
| ttx | Glance is, I think, "Image service" ? | 20:56 |
| mordred | markwash: OpenStack Image Registry isn't it? | 20:56 |
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| ttx | hehe | 20:56 |
| * mordred asking for real | 20:56 | |
| markwash | so I see glance changing to be more full machine images, specifying more stuff like full block device mapping, memory contents, etc | 20:56 |
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| markwash | and then basically being an optional gatekeeper component for all of those things | 20:57 |
| ttx | mordred: "OpenStack Image Service" apparently | 20:57 |
| markwash | oh well, growing pains | 20:57 |
| winston-d | am i late for project update meeting? i'm joining for Cinder since jgriffith is out | 20:57 |
| lifeless | mordred: TripleO's program name might be better if it spoke to deploy/ops | 20:57 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: nope, you're early :) | 20:57 |
| lifeless | mordred: OpenStack On OpenStack is a bit jargony. | 20:57 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: oh, you are here. :) | 20:57 |
| mordred | lifeless: I look forward to you submitting a mission statement and formal name | 20:58 |
| NobodyCam | by 8/1/2013 | 20:58 |
| lifeless | mordred: I shall; I asked ttx last week and he said to wait ;) | 20:58 |
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| NobodyCam | :-p | 20:58 |
| mordred | btw - I've been trying to put things formal names in the setup.cfg summary field | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | where do we submit said mission statements to? | 20:58 |
| ttx | lifeless: I think you can consider yourself unblocked | 20:58 |
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| hub_cap | the draft of trove mission statement would just be in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove ? | 20:59 |
| ttx | hub_cap: openstack-dev, with a heads-up on openstack-tc | 20:59 |
| annegentle | mordred: we have a lookup table in the doc that I'm now going to have to file a bug against :) | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | Ah ok as in, email to the list. got it ttx | 20:59 |
| ttx | hub_cap: use the wiki as the permanent reference, yes | 20:59 |
| ttx | ok, we are closing, last round of beers | 21:00 |
| mordred | annegentle: I'm aslo going to try to get our automation to set the gerrit and github project description to the text in the setup.cfg summary section too | 21:00 |
| ttx | mordred: yes, we need a way to find out which program a given repo belongs to | 21:00 |
| annegentle | mordred: we have http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/openstack-compute/install/yum/content/terminology-codenames.html and http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/openstack-compute/admin/content/components-of-openstack.html | 21:00 |
| ttx | mordred: if only to automate ATC list generation | 21:00 |
| ttx | ok, moar next time | 21:00 |
| mordred | ttx: I think we can figure something out | 21:00 |
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| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 2 21:01:03 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-07-02-20.01.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-07-02-20.01.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-07-02-20.01.log.html | 21:01 |
| ttx | markmc, notmyname, jd__, markwash, jgriffith, russellb, shardy, gabrielhurley, markmcclain: still around ? | 21:01 |
| russellb | ack | 21:01 |
| gabrielhurley | \o | 21:01 |
| notmyname | here | 21:01 |
| shardy | o/ | 21:01 |
| ttx | henrynash: around ? | 21:01 |
| markmc | yep | 21:01 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 21:01 |
| henrynash | ttx: yep | 21:01 |
| winston-d | jgriffith will be out, i'm covering him | 21:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 2 21:01:59 2013 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:02 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:02 |
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| ttx | 2 weeks left to H2 ! We'll spend a bit extra time on Neutron renaming plan progress and the proposed change in blueprint tracking | 21:02 |
| ttx | #topic General stuff | 21:02 |
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| ttx | So I proposed a simplification in blueprint tracking process, removing the need to use the "series goal" in Launchpad which is not working so well | 21:02 |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-June/011055.html | 21:02 |
| ttx | TL;DR is: | 21:03 |
| ttx | We'd only use "Priority" to indicate how much we care about a given feature, instead of using a combination of Priority and Series Goal. Triaging blueprints would just be about setting a priority. | 21:03 |
| ttx | A script would regularly align "series goal" with the content of "milestone target" | 21:03 |
| ttx | Does that sound like a good idea to everyone? The change kinda needs to be applied across the board... | 21:03 |
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| ttx | There are two pitfalls in the transition: | 21:03 |
| ttx | 1. Your havana blueprints which don't have a target milestone set will drop off the havana series goal. You'll want to move them to the "future" series if you want to keep them on your radar | 21:04 |
| ttx | 2. "Low" blueprints will now mean "may or may not make it, I don't really care". They are skipped in the release status view. You might want to promote a few to "Medium" to keep them on the roadmap. | 21:04 |
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| ttx | If everyone agrees I'll create the "future" series with the "next" and "ongoing" milestones | 21:04 |
| notmyname | ttx: when does (1) happen? | 21:04 |
| ttx | then send you a personal email about what changes to expect when the script will kick in, so that you can adjust things before it runs | 21:04 |
| ttx | notmyname: when the script kicks in ^ | 21:04 |
| notmyname | ok :-) | 21:05 |
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| hub_cap | ttx: will create on trove/iroinc too? | 21:05 |
| ttx | hub_cap: yes | 21:05 |
| hub_cap | <3 | 21:06 |
| ttx | does silence means "oh yes please" ? | 21:06 |
| markmc | ttx, honestly, I'm probably being dense ... but I don't think I understand | 21:06 |
| markmc | ttx, but I also fully expect it'll be totally awesome | 21:06 |
| ttx | markmc: actually it can't really be worse. | 21:07 |
| markmc | ttx, so I'm cool with it :) | 21:07 |
| ttx | Lp series goal has been the bane of my existance. | 21:07 |
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| ttx | ok, we'll see how it goes when you receive your personal email. | 21:07 |
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| ttx | Won'ty enable the script openstack-wide until it's all set anyway | 21:08 |
| ttx | (I can run the script manually per project for the early adopters) | 21:08 |
| ttx | sdague, annegentle, jeblair/mordred: news from QA/Docs/Infra teams ? | 21:08 |
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| mordred | ttx: we're a program now! | 21:08 |
| annegentle | Security Guide book sprint finished last Friday, great stuff. | 21:08 |
| annegentle | #link http://www.openstack.org/blog/2013/07/openstack-security-guide-now-available/ | 21:08 |
| annegentle | to download the epub | 21:08 |
| jeblair | gerrit downtime on saturday for neutron project rename | 21:08 |
| markmc | annegentle, congrats | 21:09 |
| annegentle | #link http://aa4698cc2bf4ab7e5907-ed3df21bb39de4e57eec9a20aa0b8711.r41.cf2.rackcdn.com/OpenStackSecurityGuide.epub | 21:09 |
| annegentle | still working on PDF, HTML, etc | 21:09 |
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| jeblair | details here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/neutron-renaming | 21:09 |
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| jeblair | ttx: [end] | 21:09 |
| markmc | jeblair, still looking for backup from core folks on other projects? | 21:10 |
| jeblair | markmc: i think the latest plan (with which markmcclain will shortly update the wiki) shouldn't require it | 21:10 |
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| markmc | jeblair, ok, cool | 21:10 |
| markmcclain | markmc: we restructured things to require less people and ensure that the gate can as normal as possible | 21:11 |
| markmc | markmcclain, great | 21:11 |
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| ttx | #topic Oslo status | 21:12 |
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| ttx | markmc: hi! | 21:12 |
| markmc | hello | 21:12 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:12 |
| markmc | not much change on blueprints | 21:12 |
| ttx | Still on track, I think... | 21:12 |
| markmc | ok | 21:12 |
| markmc | I knocked the apiclient one to havana-3, seems to have stalled a bit | 21:12 |
| ttx | but lots of reviews needed :) | 21:12 |
| ttx | bug 1182842 is targeted to the milestone but has no assignee ? | 21:12 |
| markmc | (which is probably reviewers fault more than the submitter) | 21:13 |
| markmc | ok, assigned myself | 21:13 |
| ttx | it's been defered a few times already so I'd rather remove it from milestone target than push it back again | 21:13 |
| markmc | made some progress on it today | 21:13 |
| ttx | ok | 21:13 |
| ttx | Should bug 1194807 (critical) be targeted to the milestone ? | 21:13 |
| ttx | where's the bot when you need it | 21:13 |
| markmc | done, thanks | 21:14 |
| markmc | so, on bug #1194807 | 21:14 |
| markmc | I've a bunch of reviews up: | 21:14 |
| markmc | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/I6f3eb5fd2c75615d9a1cae172aed859b36b27d4c,n,z | 21:14 |
| markmc | this time I've figured it out | 21:14 |
| markmc | (it's only the 4th or 5th time I've thought that) | 21:14 |
| markmc | this time for real | 21:14 |
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| markmc | pip is subjugated to my will | 21:14 |
| markmc | but reviews would be nice :) | 21:14 |
| markmc | I think that's it for oslo | 21:15 |
| ttx | Questions about Oslo ? | 21:15 |
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| * ttx can picture markmc as a snake charmer | 21:15 | |
| ttx | subjugating pip | 21:15 |
| ttx | #topic Keystone status | 21:15 |
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| ttx | henrynash: welcome! | 21:16 |
| henrynash | thx! | 21:16 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:16 |
| ttx | This is looking very late now, especially with two coredevs in vacation this week... | 21:16 |
| ttx | I think the whole havana plan will need a serious reality check when Dolph is back. | 21:16 |
| henrynash | so a couple of things to note | 21:16 |
| ttx | We are creating expectations that are very unlikely to be fulfilled here, and Keystone is consumed by everyone else. | 21:16 |
| henrynash | inherited roles are an extension, so (I believe) not strictly tied to H2 | 21:17 |
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| henrynash | the only real api level changes are in | 21:17 |
| henrynash | Provide an api to get all effective roles for a user | 21:17 |
| henrynash | v3 Regaion API | 21:17 |
| ttx | henrynash: last week we said https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27563/ should be unblocked but nothing changed there. | 21:18 |
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| henrynash | yes (unfortunately I was on vacation last weel so catching up!) | 21:18 |
| ttx | what's this vacation thing you keystone folks always bring up | 21:18 |
| henrynash | I think Adam said that he and Jay were coin go to work through that | 21:18 |
| henrynash | hey, I know, the dog ate my homework | 21:19 |
| ttx | henrynash: Anything more about Keystone ? | 21:19 |
| henrynash | Just wanted to check on the v3 auth for other client clis? | 21:19 |
| ttx | henrynash: err... what do you mean ? | 21:20 |
| henrynash | last week (reading the logs) seems like we were going to start pushin gfor clients to be using the v3 auth cleitn libs from kestoneclient | 21:20 |
| henrynash | (sorry, broke my finger scuba diving so can't type straight) | 21:21 |
| ttx | that sounds like a good idea, but it's difficult to mandate | 21:21 |
| ttx | henrynash: I think that should be pushed to the ML to see if you can find relays in other projects^Wprograms | 21:22 |
| henrynash | what has to happen for (e.g. nova, glance) to start picking up the new client libs for auth? Who should I work with to help make it so | 21:22 |
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| ttx | henrynash: difficult to find volunteers in this meeting, so ML is probably your best bet | 21:22 |
| henrynash | ttx: ok, that's it for keystone | 21:23 |
| ttx | #help Keystone needs help pushing v3 API support in client libs | 21:23 |
| ttx | Question on keystone ? | 21:23 |
| ttx | #topic Ceilometer status | 21:23 |
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| ttx | jd__: hey | 21:23 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:23 |
| jd__ | o/ | 21:23 |
| ttx | A bit late too. Code should be proposed by now... | 21:24 |
| ttx | Are all those still likely to make it ? | 21:24 |
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| jd__ | they should | 21:24 |
| jd__ | dhellmann's one is this week or havana-3, I talked about it with him | 21:24 |
| ttx | Making progress on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1193906 ? | 21:25 |
| jd__ | and we've some things already merge for the 2 from eglynn | 21:25 |
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| jd__ | ttx: no, I know how to fix, but I'm waiting for terry to do it actually (she's my intern) :) | 21:25 |
| ttx | ok, so under control :) | 21:26 |
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| ttx | Should we target https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1194921 to havana-2 as well ? | 21:26 |
| jd__ | I think we got it fixed on our side, but yes | 21:26 |
| ttx | jd__: anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:26 |
| jd__ | all good | 21:26 |
| ttx | Questions on Ceilometer ? | 21:27 |
| ttx | #topic Swift status | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | hi! | 21:27 |
| ttx | notmyname: o/ | 21:27 |
| notmyname | big release today: 1.9.0, now with full global clusters support http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-July/011221.html | 21:27 |
| ttx | So, nothing from me except congrats on the new release | 21:27 |
| hub_cap | woo! | 21:27 |
| ttx | created 1.9.1 to track "next" work, we can adjust number later | 21:28 |
| notmyname | sounds good to me | 21:28 |
| ttx | notmyname: anything else you wanted to raise ? | 21:28 |
| notmyname | nope | 21:28 |
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| ttx | Questions about Swift ? | 21:28 |
| ttx | #topic Glance status | 21:29 |
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| ttx | markwash: o/ | 21:29 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:29 |
| markwash | o/ | 21:29 |
| markwash | hello | 21:29 |
| markwash | I did some cleaning, future and next really help! | 21:29 |
| ttx | looks reasonable | 21:29 |
| ttx | what about "Multiple Image Locations" ? Might be deferred ? | 21:30 |
| markwash | as long as we don't pull back the havana-3 curtain, very reasonable :-) | 21:30 |
| markwash | ttx: we have a lot of progress there that is in review, and I want us to push for it in h-2 | 21:30 |
| ttx | ok, let's see if we can make it | 21:30 |
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| ttx | glance-cinder-driver is marked as depending on a Nova blueprint, but that doesn't seem to be a strong prereq ? | 21:30 |
| markwash | I think the dependency is actually inverted there from how it should be | 21:31 |
| ttx | markwash: ok, will try to fix it | 21:31 |
| markwash | I was just too lazy to fix that last I noticed | 21:31 |
| ttx | is bug 1155389 unblocked with Swift 1.9.0 ? | 21:31 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1155389 | 21:31 |
| markwash | I believe so, what is the release timetable for 1.9? | 21:31 |
| markwash | is it already available? | 21:31 |
| ttx | was released earlier today | 21:31 |
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| markwash | great, then I can knock out our portion of the fix tout d'suite | 21:32 |
| ttx | markwash: anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:32 |
| markwash | nope | 21:32 |
| ttx | Questions on Glance ? | 21:32 |
| markwash | except thanks again | 21:33 |
| markwash | for future and next and ongoing | 21:33 |
| ttx | glad you find it more maintainable this way | 21:33 |
| ttx | #topic Neutron status | 21:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Neutron status (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:33 | |
| markmcclain | hi | 21:33 |
| ttx | markmcclain: hi! | 21:33 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:33 |
| ttx | Slightly behind, as I expect some delays due to renaming stuff before h2 | 21:33 |
| ttx | The "High" stuff in particular is not really progressing that well ? | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | all of the high stuff is mostly written | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | 2 are missing some unittests, so they're still semi-draft state | 21:34 |
| ttx | markmcclain: ok, maybe switch those to "Good progress" so that i'm under the impression they will make it :) | 21:35 |
| markmcclain | will do | 21:35 |
| ttx | Looking at targeted bugs, you have a number of them which have no assignee ? | 21:35 |
| ttx | would probably be good to assign them (or remove them from the milestone) if we want to see them fixed for h2 | 21:36 |
| markmcclain | sorry.. I'll clean those up | 21:36 |
| ttx | About the renaming plan... this is where we track progress: | 21:36 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/neutron-renaming | 21:36 |
| ttx | markmcclain: care to give a quick summary for the record ? | 21:36 |
| markmcclain | sure | 21:37 |
| markmcclain | we've worked to reduce the number of folks that need to be around for the rename | 21:37 |
| markmcclain | we're going to release a neutonclient into the package repo | 21:38 |
| markmcclain | so that we can begin the work to update the names in the other projects | 21:38 |
| markmcclain | these changes will go through the normal gate process | 21:39 |
| ttx | how long do you plan to keep the quantum-* name shims in neutron itself? at least until the release ? | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | the binary script names for atleast I | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | Icehouse | 21:39 |
| ttx | ok | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | the client compatibility shims we can leave up for longer but make them noisier over time | 21:40 |
| ttx | markmcclain: when do you plan to do the mega-name changes that will make Dreamhost the top Havana contributor ? | 21:40 |
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| markmcclain | haha.. they'll start landing this week | 21:41 |
| ttx | (i.e. the s/quantum/neutron/g change in Neutron itself) | 21:41 |
| ttx | ok | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | surprisingly not as many lines as you'd think | 21:41 |
| ttx | markmcclain: anything else you wanted to raise ? | 21:41 |
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| markmcclain | no | 21:42 |
| ttx | Questions on that renaming plan, or on Neutron in general ? | 21:42 |
| ttx | #topic Cinder status | 21:42 |
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| ttx | jgriffith: hola! | 21:42 |
| * ttx speeds up | 21:42 | |
| ttx | oops | 21:42 |
| winston-d | o/ here | 21:42 |
| ttx | winston-d: hola! | 21:42 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:42 |
| ttx | Progress looks not too bad, but time is running short :) | 21:43 |
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| winston-d | yeah, i personally check all bp/bugs today. | 21:43 |
| winston-d | they are looking good. | 21:43 |
| ttx | didn't have anythign for you actually. | 21:43 |
| ttx | winston-d: anything on your mind ? | 21:43 |
| winston-d | nope | 21:43 |
| ttx | Questions on Cinder ? | 21:44 |
| ttx | winston-d: keep on the good work I guess... and land as many as you can in the next two weeks | 21:44 |
| ttx | #topic Nova status | 21:44 |
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| winston-d | ttx: sure. we're working on that. | 21:44 |
| ttx | russellb: hey | 21:44 |
| russellb | hi | 21:44 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:44 |
| russellb | highly optimistic | 21:45 |
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| ttx | Slightly behind, I'd say at this point | 21:45 |
| * russellb agrees | 21:45 | |
| ttx | per-aggregate-resource-ratio is marked implemented but there still is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33950/ in review | 21:45 |
| ttx | shall I reopen ? | 21:45 |
| russellb | yes | 21:45 |
| ttx | Should ivs-vif-driver be considered completed with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/31730/ ? | 21:45 |
| russellb | yes | 21:46 |
| russellb | got that one | 21:46 |
| ttx | Do you know why https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/find-host-and-evacuate-instance is marked "Blocked" ? The whiteboard wouldn't say. | 21:46 |
| russellb | it's blocked because it depends on query-scheduler, which isn't done yet | 21:46 |
| ttx | ok will document | 21:47 |
| russellb | maybe that's not a normal use of Blocked status | 21:47 |
| russellb | but that's all it is | 21:47 |
| ttx | no it's fine, it's just nice to document the reason on the whiteboard so that we all know what it's blocking on | 21:47 |
| * russellb nods | 21:47 | |
| russellb | going to move to havana-3 as well | 21:47 |
| ttx | db-slave-handle is blocked on getting oslo.config 1.2.0a2 into nova... how is that going ? | 21:48 |
| russellb | tried to ping the author today, but he wasn't around | 21:48 |
| russellb | they had one approach merged, and then it had to be reverted | 21:48 |
| russellb | so, i don't know | 21:48 |
| ttx | ok, will followup | 21:49 |
| russellb | markmc was talking to them the other day about it, too | 21:49 |
| ttx | You have a number of bugs targeted to the milestone that are not assigned yet... | 21:49 |
| ttx | You don't have a meeting this week, but maybe review them and untarget them if nobody plans to work on them ? | 21:49 |
| russellb | yeah, probably need to just untarget them | 21:49 |
| markmc | russellb, https://review.openstack.org/#/q/I6f3eb5fd2c75615d9a1cae172aed859b36b27d4c,n,z for oslo.config-1.2.0a3 | 21:49 |
| russellb | yeah | 21:49 |
| ttx | You also have 4 critical bugs that are not targeted to havana-2... | 21:49 |
| ttx | If they were really critical I think they should all be targeted to h2. Or downgraded to "High" ? | 21:50 |
| russellb | ttx: will review | 21:50 |
| ttx | russellb: anything else you wanted to mention ? | 21:50 |
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| russellb | don't think so | 21:50 |
| ttx | Any question on Nova ? | 21:50 |
| russellb | i'll go back over these notes and clean up | 21:50 |
| ttx | #topic Heat status | 21:50 |
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| ttx | russellb: thx! | 21:50 |
| shardy | o/ | 21:50 |
| ttx | shardy: o/ | 21:50 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:50 |
| ttx | Not too bad, but there is not much room in h3 to defer anything | 21:51 |
| ttx | Should be an interesting week :) | 21:51 |
| russellb | markmc: thanks! | 21:51 |
| shardy | Yeah, I think most of the deferring is done now, hopefully.. | 21:51 |
| ttx | You also have a large list of targeted bugs | 21:51 |
| ttx | with a couple unassigned | 21:51 |
| shardy | Yeah two highs which I'm hoping to assign at tomorrows meeting | 21:51 |
| ttx | ok | 21:51 |
| ttx | shardy: anything else you want to raise ? | 21:51 |
| shardy | I'd prefer not to release h2 without fixing those if possible | 21:51 |
| shardy | ttx: yes - I'll be on holiday/vacation for two weeks from next Monday | 21:52 |
| ttx | I expect to see more clearly next week, the holiday weekend is messing with my forecast spell | 21:52 |
| shardy | stevebaker will handle h2 release and PTO tasks in my absence | 21:52 |
| ttx | Questions about Heat ? | 21:52 |
| stevebaker | \o | 21:52 |
| ttx | more steves | 21:52 |
| shardy | s/PTO/PTL ;) | 21:53 |
| ttx | #topic Horizon status | 21:53 |
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| gabrielhurley | \o | 21:53 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: o/ | 21:53 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:53 |
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| gabrielhurley | I pared things down since last week | 21:53 |
| ttx | Still slightly behind, I think, and your H3 is huge | 21:53 |
| gabrielhurley | I expect all of those to land, with a small maybe on the pagination one | 21:53 |
| ttx | good | 21:53 |
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| gabrielhurley | I kicked some stuff out of H3 but I didn't want to arbitrarily drop lots of things without giving people a chance to claim them/give feedback | 21:54 |
| ttx | Your list of targeted bugs is huge as always... We'll have to refine it next week if they don't have assignees yet | 21:54 |
| gabrielhurley | ttx: you know I just roll the bug list forward every time | 21:54 |
| gabrielhurley | I'll do so again next week | 21:54 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: the new tracking system will let you keep those in since they won't mess with the release radar | 21:54 |
| gabrielhurley | ah, nifty | 21:54 |
| ttx | (as "Low") | 21:54 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:54 |
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| gabrielhurley | just a quick mention that Heat and (some) Ceilometer support will land in H2, which is awesome | 21:55 |
| ttx | that's really cool | 21:55 |
| gabrielhurley | that's it for me | 21:55 |
| ttx | Questions on Horizon ? | 21:55 |
| ttx | #topic Incubated projects | 21:56 |
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| hub_cap | heyo | 21:56 |
| ttx | hub_cap: hey | 21:56 |
| ttx | hub_cap: is the trove rename complete now ? | 21:56 |
| hub_cap | yes | 21:56 |
| hub_cap | id like to talk about a h1 | 21:56 |
| ttx | hub_cap: At this point I'd suggest we do a havana-2 rather than a late havana-1 milestone ? | 21:56 |
| hub_cap | ok | 21:56 |
| hub_cap | makes sense | 21:57 |
| ttx | unless you REALLY need it for some reason | 21:57 |
| hub_cap | ttx: i just want to belong | 21:57 |
| hub_cap | :P | 21:57 |
| ttx | you shall you shall | 21:57 |
| hub_cap | h2 is fine imo | 21:57 |
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| hub_cap | so heat integration. its been stalled a bit, and ill send out a wiki article why | 21:57 |
| ttx | I checked up the automation and I think we are all set | 21:57 |
| hub_cap | great ttx we can burn thru it during the h2 cut | 21:57 |
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| hub_cap | ill be sending out the heat stuff to the ML to get some group think | 21:58 |
| hub_cap | and im working on rpm integration (CERN has contacted me about integration) | 21:58 |
| hub_cap | other than that just working thru h2 | 21:58 |
| ttx | hub_cap: sure, will give you a heads-up on the procedure and what's expected from you. Not so much, mind you, apart from being present to say "yeah, let's ship it" | 21:58 |
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| hub_cap | cool. ill have my sailors cap ready | 21:58 |
| ttx | Is https://launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/havana-2 still representing what you expect to land in the next two weeks ? | 21:59 |
| hub_cap | with 1 change yes | 21:59 |
| ttx | ok, looks like you're a bit behind then :) | 22:00 |
| hub_cap | hehe yea | 22:00 |
| ttx | well, except if we just reroll all h1 to h2 | 22:00 |
| hub_cap | oh then itll look better! | 22:00 |
| ttx | hub_cap: you ok with me swithcing the h1 stuff to h2 ? | 22:00 |
| hub_cap | but ill make sure the little things are in h2 | 22:00 |
| hub_cap | sure ttx | 22:00 |
| hub_cap | i know there is more | 22:00 |
| ttx | and then remove the h1 milestone altother | 22:01 |
| hub_cap | there is no _more_ than that that may be in h2 | 22:01 |
| ttx | ^ge | 22:01 |
| hub_cap | sure thing ttx | 22:01 |
| ttx | ok, no time left | 22:01 |
| ttx | moar next week | 22:01 |
| hub_cap | gratz | 22:01 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
| NobodyCam | :( | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 2 22:01:32 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-07-02-21.01.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-07-02-21.01.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-07-02-21.01.log.html | 22:01 |
| ttx | oops | 22:01 |
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| gabrielhurley | lol | 22:01 |
| ttx | NobodyCam: sorry I forgot about you | 22:01 |
| NobodyCam | LOL | 22:02 |
| NobodyCam | its ok | 22:02 |
| hub_cap | its czu he voted | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | LOL | 22:02 |
| ttx | NobodyCam: devananda told me there were no progress to report so my mind adjusted | 22:02 |
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| NobodyCam | ya thats basicly all i was going to say | 22:02 |
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| NobodyCam | :-p so all good | 22:02 |
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| ttx | NobodyCam: ok, cheers | 22:02 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 22:03 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: floor is yours | 22:03 |
| NobodyCam | ty | 22:03 |
| gabrielhurley | thanks | 22:03 |
| gabrielhurley | #startmeeting horizon | 22:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 2 22:03:40 2013 UTC. The chair is gabrielhurley. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 22:03 |
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| gabrielhurley | helloooooo | 22:03 |
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| gabrielhurley | #topic overview | 22:04 |
| timductive1 | hello :) | 22:04 |
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| jpich | hello! | 22:04 |
| david-lyle | hello | 22:04 |
| vkmc | hi :) | 22:04 |
| lcheng | hello | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | So, we've got two weeks left in H2 | 22:04 |
| Toshi | HI | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | I've pared down the blueprint list for H2 to what *should* land | 22:04 |
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| gabrielhurley | we'll spend some time probably next week talking about the H3 blueprints, but for now let's focus on completing H2 | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | Process-wise I'd like to make sure that code for everything is up for review this week so that the last week can be making sure it all gets in, not scrambling to finish writing code | 22:06 |
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| gabrielhurley | I feel like I'm forgetting something at the overview level | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | if I remember it I'll blurt it out | 22:07 |
| gabrielhurley | for now let's talk blueprints | 22:07 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic blueprints | 22:07 |
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| gabrielhurley | The Heat blueprint is in final review. I think almost everyone's looked at it and it just needs one more +2 to merge | 22:07 |
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| gabrielhurley | david-lyle: how are yours coming? | 22:08 |
| david-lyle | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/domain-context just needs another +2 | 22:09 |
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| david-lyle | the rbac is still delayed, but will land in H3 | 22:09 |
| gabrielhurley | cool | 22:09 |
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| gabrielhurley | lcheng: how 'bout you? | 22:10 |
| lcheng | I am done implementing the code for domain login support, just need to cleanup the test. | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | excellent. this week then? | 22:11 |
| lcheng | Hopefully, I can submit for review tom. | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | perfect | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | jpich: (since brooklyn isn't online) how about ceilometer? I've been seeing updates on the blueprint whiteboard but seeing some code soon would be great | 22:12 |
| jpich | gabrielhurley: Yes, I'm not sure. The history was squashed down to 3 self-contained commits (as opposed to dozens) so I think it's definitely ready for a gerrit review | 22:12 |
| gabrielhurley | glad to hear that. are there still things missing/blockers or is it mostly just trying to polish now? | 22:13 |
| jpich | Code-wise I think it's close to good. I was only able to get graphics working earlier this week. There are a few areas for improvements... I think it works as a first step though | 22:14 |
| gabrielhurley | sounds good. as I've been saying, if we could see code this week that would be best. | 22:15 |
| jpich | but the end vision of merging everything with the data it relates to is definitely something to keep going toward, it's hard to read | 22:15 |
| jpich | I'll ping Brooklyn | 22:15 |
| gabrielhurley | thank you | 22:15 |
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| gabrielhurley | In other news I spoke to Akihiro Motoki about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/quantum-security-group and he feels confident that he'll have that up soon. | 22:16 |
| jpich | Do we have a blueprint or bug for updating the quantum quotas? | 22:16 |
| gabrielhurley | hmmm | 22:16 |
| gabrielhurley | no BP, not sure on a bug off the top of my head | 22:16 |
| gabrielhurley | also, technically we should update to saying Neutron | 22:17 |
| gabrielhurley | lol | 22:17 |
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| jpich | Ok, I think there's a bug definitely somewhere, was wondering about blueprints | 22:17 |
| jpich | Yes, of course :-) | 22:17 |
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| gabrielhurley | timductive1: if you haven't already, I'd say you're safe to build from the current Heat review. It's not gonna change much if at all from here on. I expect it'll merge in the next 24 hours. that said, how's the viz coming? | 22:18 |
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| timductive1 | thank gabriel, I'm debating if it should get bumped to h3. | 22:18 |
| timductive1 | I built it out with heat create commands in mind but I need to do a little bit more work to have updates and deletes also reflect correctly | 22:19 |
| timductive1 | I may be able to finish those tomorrow and get a code review up | 22:19 |
| timductive1 | but if not I'm not opposed to bumping it | 22:19 |
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| jpich | Is there a way to get new blueprints notifications? I thought I used to get those, now I wonder if I imagined it | 22:24 |
| gabrielhurley | sorry, got called away for a sec | 22:24 |
| gabrielhurley | jpich: not sure really. I get them irregularly | 22:24 |
| jpich | :( Ok | 22:25 |
| gabrielhurley | timductive1: sounds good. see what you're able to do this week. | 22:25 |
| timductive1 | gabrielhurley: ok will do | 22:25 |
| gabrielhurley | anybody I've missed? | 22:26 |
| david-lyle | question: isn't https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/select-zone-when-creating-instance complete? | 22:27 |
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| david-lyle | change was merged unless there is another component that I'm missing | 22:27 |
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| gabrielhurley | that it is | 22:29 |
| gabrielhurley | good catch | 22:29 |
| gabrielhurley | fixed | 22:30 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic open discussion | 22:30 |
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| gabrielhurley | Anything else folks want to discuss? | 22:30 |
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| jpich | yes, a question about jQuery UI | 22:31 |
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| jpich | I didn't realise that we were shipping it. What's the current goal? Should we discourage using it in more places? Aim to replace it? (Probably should be in a bug then.) We turned away several patches because of it before so it's kind of unclear | 22:32 |
| jpich | It's used in the VNIC ordering | 22:32 |
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| david-lyle | I thought what we shipped was a scaled down version, I may be wrong | 22:33 |
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| jpich | Oh, it does say "custom", so perhaps | 22:35 |
| gabrielhurley | yeah, it's just the drag-drop stuff | 22:35 |
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| jpich | Ok! | 22:35 |
| jpich | Thanks david-lyle, gabrielhurley | 22:35 |
| gabrielhurley | np | 22:36 |
| gabrielhurley | I've gotta run, so I'm gonna end the meeting, but feel free to discuss more if anyone wants to | 22:36 |
| gabrielhurley | talk to y'all next week | 22:36 |
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| gabrielhurley | #endmeeting | 22:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 2 22:36:33 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-07-02-22.03.html | 22:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-07-02-22.03.txt | 22:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-07-02-22.03.log.html | 22:36 |
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| jpich | Thanks | 22:36 |
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