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devanandaHi all!19:00
devanandahow's everyone?19:01
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GheRiverohi there19:02
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devanandalet's give folks a few more minutes... i think they're hiding :)19:02
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devanandaNobodyCam had mentioned he might get pulled away, so he probably did19:04
devananda#startmeeting ironic19:05
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devanandaso, hi! I've been gone a while19:05
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devanandathanks to NobodyCam for running things :)19:05
devanandai'm going to go slightly out of order, i think19:06
devananda#topic pxe driver19:06
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devanandaGheRivero: how's it going? the code's looking great!19:06
GheRiverowaiting for reviews both in pxe and glanceclient19:07
GheRiverosomw ideas/features are be done meanwhile19:07
devanandahave you been able to do any testing of it? if not, is there a clear set of things you need for the code to get there?19:08
GheRiveroi have tested glanceclient service. Flavio is looking at it, so hopefully i-ll have some feedback in the following days19:09
GheRiveroand regarding pxe, i have plans to start looking at devstack-baremetal to test things tomorrow19:09
devanandasounds good :)19:09
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GheRiverodon't know if there is some devstack ironic work already done19:10
devanandanone. but there was baremetal integration a while back19:10
devanandaNobodycam has work on a diskimage-builder element for ironic19:10
devanandawhich, i think, is basically done19:10
devanandaso that might be a shorter path for you to get services stood up19:10
GheRiveroyeah, sure... then i will start with that19:11
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devanandaOTOH, I find it difficult to do rapid development of code in dib-based images.... so, ofc, just do what works for you :)19:11
devanandaany questions on the PXE driver before we move on?19:12
devananda#topic keystone auth19:12
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romchegWe have #link this review19:13
romchegSome tests still fail but I'm working on that.19:13
devanandaand we were just talking an hour ago about how we might do RBAC19:13
romchegRBAC is a nice idea19:14
devanandai think it's good progress, and i'm happy to land admin auth first and refactor it to RBAC after, if that seems easier to you19:14
jog0devananda: it may be worth talking to some keystone devs about this19:15
jog0I know they have a new V3 API that changes things, and we *may* want to try it out19:15
jog0partailly to help them19:15
romchegjog0: we use keystoneclient19:15
jog0romcheg: does that have v3 API support already?19:15
romchegAs I understand we do not depend on the version of API.19:16
romchegIt just provides a middleware for authentication19:16
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devanandajog0: is there a difference in capabilities between keystone v2 and v3?19:16
jog0devananda: AFAIK yes -- don't really know the details though19:17
devanandahm, ok. who'd be good to ping?19:17
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romchegI know some folks who said really nasty things about v319:17
anteayanew tokens in v2 are pki19:17
anteayasorry pki in v319:17
anteayaused to be uuid19:18
devanandai've only very loosely been aware of nova v3, but haven't followed the work19:18
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devanandaaiui, deployments are going to support both v2 and v3 for a while19:18
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jog0right, just think it may be good to sync up with keystone -- not saying we should do anything different just have a better understanding of it19:19
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devanandanothing wrong with that :)19:20
devanandai'll see what i can learn about it19:20
anteayain terms of whom dolphm, bkundson, henrynash19:20
anteayathat is who I think of when I think of keystone19:20
devananda#action devananda to chat with dolphm, bkundson, or henrynash about keystone v3 in ironic19:20
jog0ayoung as well19:21
anteayayes, ayoung19:21
devananda#action devananda to chat with ... or ayoung19:21
devanandathanks for the pointers19:21
devanandamoving on to the API ...19:21
devananda#topic All the API19:22
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devanandaseems to be the focus of several of us lately :)19:22
devanandalucasagomes and jimjiang have patches up for API additions19:23
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devanandaand I have a patch (and a few deps) up for RPC19:23
lucasagomesany news bout the patch vs put ?19:23
NobodyCamsorry was late.. will read the log19:23
devanandai chatted with martyn last week, i think, about it19:23
devanandaand IIRC he agreed that PATCH was the right thing for changing some (but not all) properties of an object19:24
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devanandawhereas PUT essentially replaces the object19:24
devanandait preserves the uuid, but requires all the other fields to be complete19:24
ayoungWhat is ironic?19:24
devanandaI think we will want to implement both PUT and PATCH for most resources and sub resources19:24
anteayahey ayoung it is the offshoot of nova baremetal driver19:24
devanandaayoung: bare metal provisioning service19:25
anteayait is in incubation now19:25
ayoungOh, I thought we were talking about an Ubuntu distribution19:25
anteayaah okay, good to get that cleared up19:25
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devanandalucasagomes: eg, if i PUT /v1/nodes/abcd {'properties': { ... } }, it would replace the properties19:26
anteayawe have a channel too, #openstack-ironic19:26
lucasagomesright so for sub resources we would use PUT19:27
devanandalucasagomes: but if I PATCH /v1/nodes/abcd {'properties': {'foo': 'bar'} } it would only add (or replace) that specific item19:27
lucasagomesdevananda, gotcha19:27
lucasagomesso both should be supported for both (resources and sub-resources)19:27
devanandai think so? unless someone has a reason otherwise?19:28
lucasagomesI don't have any strong opnion about it, I'm deferring to the others19:28
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lucasagomesok, another thing about the api: internally translated names19:30
lucasagomesI think we agreed to only translate the id -> uuid19:30
lucasagomesbecause openstack uses uuid across all the other projects19:31
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lucasagomesbut other fields like extra->metadata we won't translate anymore and just expose it as extra19:31
lucasagomeseverybody agree with that?19:31
devanandafine with me19:32
anteayaseems to be a reasonable approach thus far19:33
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devanandaalso, particularly on the API front, i feel like my absence has been slowing ya'll down19:34
devanandai would like to merge all the current api work today, then hammer out any direction/scope/RPC etc stuff with folks this week19:34
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devanandaI'll be at OSCON next week, which means less time on IRC19:35
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devanandaand i think getting the API at least functional very soon is a priority19:35
anteayalet pasta at OSCON probably, eh?19:35
lucasagomesthat would be good to merge some of the patches19:35
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devanandaanteaya: hah. it's portland. there'll be plenty i can eat ;)19:36
devanandaanything else on the api, before we move on?19:36
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devananda#topic object trees19:37
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devanandamartyn and i talked about this last week, and i think we got it conceptually sorted19:37
devanandathough i dont think he put a patch up yet19:37
romchegI didn't see any19:37
devanandathe gist of the question is: the API needs to expose related resource UUIDs19:38
devanandaGET /node/1234 needs to return the UUIDs of its chassis and all its ports19:38
devanandabut those aren't part of the RPC-style object19:38
devanandawe can do a trivial query in the API layer19:38
devanandadbapi.get_ports_by_node() and such19:39
devanandaand then we don't need to worry about nested RPC objects at all :)19:39
lucasagomessounds reasonable19:40
romchegThis will cause loading a lot of data a user might not need19:40
devanandaprobably a simple patch could implement taht for all three objects19:40
lucasagomeswould it also be possible to access some of the resources like : GET /node/1234/ports ?19:40
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devanandaromcheg: ah! sorry, i meant get_port_list() and get_node_list() and such -- dbapi methods that only return a list of UUIDs19:42
devanandaromcheg: we'll need to add an optional filter to the get_*_list() methods19:42
devanandalucasagomes: yes, that is desirable as well19:42
devanandalucasagomes: same for things like GET /node/1234/properties19:42
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devanandalucasagomes: any sub-resource should be queriable directly.19:43
devanandas/any/the important/19:43
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devanandalucasagomes: is this ^ API stuff soemthing you're comfortable running with?19:44
lucasagomesthese are things I'm learning while doing :)19:45
devanandathat's fine :)19:45
devanandayou seem to have a good handle on it19:46
devanandamoving on...19:47
devananda#topic diskimage-builder element19:48
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devanandaNobodyCam seems to be afk19:48
devanandaso I'll chime in with what I know19:48
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devanandait exists, it builds, and apparently can be launched by heat!19:48
devanandaalso, running it outside of heat isn't quite as great, but can be done too19:48
devanandahowever, I run into a rabbit queue problem when ever I try to use the ironic-api and ironic-conductor services inside said dib-built image...19:49
devanandaworking with NobodyCam to track that down19:49
devanandawe have 10 minutes left, so ...19:50
devananda#topic open discussion19:50
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lucasagomesthats the problem of the api talking to the wrong topic?19:50
devanandalucasagomes: i think so. or something19:50
devanandalucasagomes: i don't see any msgs in rabbit, even though the api service sent one, and set up a receiver queue for the reply19:50
lucasagomesI remember you mentioned that, I didn't have a chance to look at it, will give the element a spin tomorrow19:50
devanandawhen i run both services locally (on laptop, outside of VM) they work19:51
devanandaby which i mean, they talk to eachother19:52
GheRiveroRegarding file injection...
GheRiverotldr: avoid it while possible and move to cloud-init and drive-config19:52
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devanandaGheRivero: yes! thanks for pointing that out. huge ++ from me on avoiding file injection19:52
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jbjohnsothough it warrants some discussion on the dance to securely proceed without a drive19:53
lucasagomes+1 to avoid that too, we should not touch the user fs19:53
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jbjohnsowhich could be done if something is hooking some secure point to point path between the instance and some trusted peer19:54
jbjohnsoe.g. bridge filtered protocol to switch (falls apart in some potential net configs) or serial channel19:54
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devanandajbjohnso: initially, let's assume a trusted tenant (so we dont need secured firmware) and let's assume the network is otherwise secured (eg, via SDN and separate provision/tenant nets)19:54
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devanandathose are both constraints placed on the nova-baremetal driver today19:55
jbjohnsodevananda, well, as long as you concentrate all the security sketchiness into one place...19:55
jbjohnsodevananda, e.g. if you support https for almost everything and have a dubiously secure 'get client certificate' dance19:56
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jbjohnsodevananda, then you could focus on adjusting the security of the client certificate without perturbing other stuff19:56
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devanandajbjohnso: i'm saying, today, ironic is not providing security at the hardware or network layer. it's sole (present) job is: put this image on that machine and turn it on.19:57
devanandajbjohnso: we need to be /able/ to handle secure boot, yes. but we need to boot something first ;)19:57
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devanandajbjohnso: and opening up the user's machine image and injecting files into it is unrelated to secure boot19:58
devanandaif the boot pathway is not secure in the first place, file injection is no more so.19:58
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jbjohnsowell, times up19:59
devanandawe're just about out of time :)19:59
devanandathanks everyone!19:59
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lifeless#startmeeting tripleo20:04
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tripleo'20:04
lifelesssorry I'm late; had a non-sleeping baby night :(20:04
SpamapSlifeless: had one of those too. Pondering a post meeting nap :)20:04
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lifelessmmm nap20:05
lifeless#topic agenda20:05
lifeless     bugs20:05
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lifeless    Grizzly test rack status20:05
lifeless    CI virtualized testing progress20:05
lifeless    open discussion20:05
lifeless#topic bugs20:05
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SpamapSas usual, my two bugs are both a bit lacking in context20:07
lifelessSpamapS: is there a config-collector tracker now?20:07
SpamapSlifeless: no, I set it aside a bit to get my tripleo setup in order for testing it..20:08
SpamapSthat was a week ago20:08
SpamapShave not booted a VM yet. :-/20:08
lifelessok. Would you like me to do the LP administrivia  ?20:08
SpamapSlifeless: yeah, I don't think I'm admin of the teams anyway20:09
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lifelessSpamapS: will do. (YOu don't need to be admin of them to make and hand-off a project)20:10
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lifelessok so20:12
lifelesshmm, bug
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1182241 in tripleo "first-boot.d rules are running on every boot" [Critical,Triaged]20:12
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lifelessI think thats fixed, should have been closed.20:12
lifelessI moved the rules to orc scripts20:13
lifelessand made them idempotent20:13
lifelesswe can't delete the first-boot feature yet20:13
lifelessperhaps we should deprecate it though?20:13
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SpamapSlifeless: indeed I think it may need to stay around with big ugly DEPRECATED warnings for a while .. since we seem to have some adoption now.20:14
lifelesssalv-orlando can't reproduce the quantum load issue20:14
stevemar2ayoung: why would having two delegated auth mechanism bad?20:14
stevemar2be bad*20:14
lifelessin bug 118448420:14
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1184484 in tripleo "Quantum default settings will cause deadlocks due to overflow of sqlalchemy_pool" [Critical,Triaged]
lifelessstevemar2: this is a different meeting20:14
stevemar2lifeless, wrong window, sry20:15
ayoungstevemar2, having a broken delegation mechanism would be bad20:15
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lifelessstevemar2: please use the dev channel for out-of-meeting chat20:15
lifelessstevemar2: np, thanks!20:15
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ayoungstevemar2, and having two mechanisms is fine, but duplication in general leads to fixes in one needing to be made in the other as well20:15
lifelessWe may need to do a manual update of the control plane in the POC to help him reproduce, or perhaps we can trigger it in virt.20:15
lifelessayoung: hey, you too please! -> ~-meeting.20:16
ayounglifeless, sorry20:16
lifelessbug 119941220:16
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1199412 in tripleo "seed vm build fails during cinder service install" [Critical,Triaged]
lifelessThats fixed too isn't it ?20:17
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SpamapSlifeless: yes20:17
lifelessand so is bug 119956820:17
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1199568 in tripleo "keystone service not running during wipe-openstack" [Critical,Triaged]
lifelessjog0: you've got docs somewhere on the fake virt driver for nova right?20:19
jog0lifeless: yeah20:19
lifelessjog0: so that we can try booting 100 vms at once without having a 100-vm capable control plane20:19
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lifelessjog0: perhaps you'd like to try reproducing 1184484 ?20:19
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lifelessjog0: just take an overcloud and change the virt driver on the compute node then throw a big boot request at it20:20
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lifelessok, thats all the crits I can see20:21
jog0lifeless: sounds good to me20:21
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lifelessanyone have high bugs they want to discuss?20:21
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lifelessnada, ok.20:22
jog0lifeless: getting a gate up?20:22
jog0not sure if that counts as a bug20:22
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uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1201056 in tripleo "init-nova requires internet access" [High,Triaged]20:22
SpamapSfix released right?20:22
lifelessSpamapS: yes plox20:22
lifelessjog0: yeah, other business20:22
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lifeless#topic grizzly POC rack status20:22
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lifelessSpamapS: you were going to file some bugs about this?20:23
SpamapSI'm having problems right now with setup-baremetal ...20:23
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SpamapSlifeless: drafting them now.20:23
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lifelessSpamapS: cool20:23
lifeless#action SpamapS to finish drafting the bugs about long term rack running20:24
lifelesswe had the control plane for the POC go offline mid last week20:24
lifelessthe good news is that 'nova boot' on the undercloud brought it right back.20:24
lifelessThe bad news is that I suspect the [I think fixed in nova trunk - devananda will know] 'oh look IPMI didn't respond quickly, clearly the machine wants to be off' bug turned it off in the first place.20:25
lifelesswe haven't confirmed that via logs.20:25
lifelessI'm not sure if we need to bother, since the only reason it was a fire drill was this being a non-HA setup.20:26
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SpamapSI think it is worth confirming that is what happened.20:27
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SpamapSIts a serious enough thing that we don't want to gloss over because it is "likely"20:27
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SpamapSAlso if we had better monitoring on our POC we'd have known sooner.20:27
lifelessSpamapS: entirely agreed.20:27
lifelessSpamapS: perhaps you could include a bug about both of those points.20:27
lifelessSpamapS: in your drafts20:28
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SpamapSlifeless: there, I think now I have all of them20:30
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lifelessso I think we should treat these as indeed critical and move on them after the current crits are closed20:31
lifelesswhich is spamaps two fuzzy ones20:31
lifeless#topic CI virtualized testing progress20:32
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lifelesspleia2: how goes it? We synced a little on the weekend20:32
pleia2yeah, so that was helpful in understanding some of the networking stuff that I was tripping up on, now just nailing down the specific things I want to run for this testing20:32
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lifelesspleia2: is your kvm seed setup working - can you nova boot a bm node?20:33
pleia2lifeless: unfortunately not :(20:33
pleia2in the middle of backing out some changes20:33
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lifelesspleia2: perhaps we should pair up again after this meeting?20:34
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pleia2lifeless: yeah, that would be good (but lunch for me first)20:34
lifelesspleia2: kk; ping me maybe.20:34
lifeless#topic open discussion20:34
pleia2will do20:34
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lifelessjog0: You wanted to talk CI gates20:35
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SpamapSlifeless: I feel like we need to start pushing harder down the path toward gating.20:35
dkehn fingers crossed again20:35
SpamapSThere are enough people involved, and enough moving parts, that breaking stuff is worse than not moving forward at the highest possible speed.20:35
lifelessso we break for two reasons. Other projects. Our stuffups.20:36
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pleia2are there any small gating tests that can help that don't require my bit yet?20:36
lifelessMy sense is that in the last 2 weeks its been about 50-50 split20:36
jog0SpamapS: ++20:37
lifelessto gate we need all our components mutually gated/low risk of random breaks/or used via releases20:37
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jog0what kinds of issues have been breaking trunk? Perhaps there is a smaller gate we can start with as pleia2 suggested20:38
lifelesse.g. diskimage-builder - to gate on that we need to get the ubuntu and fedora images it needs cached into the CI infrastructure so we're not dependent on internet access.20:38
jog0maybe just getting through  DIB or something20:39
lifelessfor tie we need the git caching derekh is working on, and pip caching which I put a etherpad up designing20:39
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lifelessjog0: so we do need that; but note that dib hasn't broken.20:39
jog0lifeless: I was refering to the image elements aspect, so what generally breaks.20:40
lifelesswe had a tie rule break (cinder builds), we had neutron break (the rename of the client) and then (the quantum-server compoatbility script broke)20:40
lifelessbah, spelling20:40
lifelessanyhow, just to say - I'm totall +100 on CI20:40
jog0how much of that can be detected with just getting a seed-stack vm running?20:41
lifelessthe cinder rule break would have been detected20:41
jog0(and not any fake baremetal booting)20:42
lifelessboth neutron failures were silent until we tried to do stuff in anger20:42
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lifelessjog0: pleia2: so - we can indeed get some benefit from smaller gate checks.20:42
jog0is it possible to do seed-stack + tempest?20:43
lifelessjog0: in principle yes.20:43
jog0err rather would that help us20:43
lifelessjog0: in the current gate I very much doubt it.20:43
rwsuassuming we can get toci back in working order, is it possible to ask everyone to run it before checking in new changes? if there is a smaller set of tests folks can run, i would be in favor of that too20:43
SpamapSAnother thing that might help is getting error reporting into the heat templates (via waitconditions + orc)20:43
lifelessrwsu: what would be awesome would be if toci just subscribed to branches proposed to tie/the/dib/oac/orc/occ20:44
jog0lifeless: ++20:44
lifelessso at the moment, the toci folk are carrying the CI burden in chase-mode for most of tripleo, and pleia2 is the only person working directly on gating infrastructure20:45
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lifelesspleia2 is working on /nova/ gating infrastructure atm20:45
rwsulifeless: good idea, it would be nice to have it report yea or nay in the review process20:45
pleia2and I'm getting impacted by breakage to, so it's a bit slow going :(20:45
lifelessbecause nova bm isn't gated20:45
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lifelessa consequence of that (that it will gate nova) is that its going to have to be super reliable20:46
lifelesswhich probably means stevebaker's packaging patch set, derekh's git cache stuff, and a pip cache20:46
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lifelessplus other ancilliary changes will all be needed just to get that20:46
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lifelessI'm going to suggest that pushing straight at that target is better than picking small side gates20:47
lifelessbecause I don't think small side gates will catch any breakage that actually impacts pleia2's work - she has been hitting all the quantum rename stuff, and also issues with running in lxc not kvm etc.20:47
lifelessopinion: we should make bugs that will prevent her gate being activated critical20:48
lifelessbecause getting CI for us is now critical20:48
jog0lifeless: ++20:48
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lifelesswe may have program status soon20:49
lifelessif we do, we can ask for -infra help gating everything20:49
lifelesswhich we can't at the moment20:49
pleia2I'm going to be out of the office next week for OSCON (checking in, but solid testing+work will be hard) but I hope to have enough progress this week that I have some kind of dependency list of what we'll need in the gate (caches, etc)20:50
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rwsuis someone already working on the pip cache?20:50
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SpamapSinfra has a nice pip cache :)20:51
lifelessrwsu: we have a design nutted out -
lifelesshmm last minutes20:52
lifelessI followed up SpamapS sprint idea20:52
lifelessone thing is that a bunch of folk have said 'after the beta milestone please'20:53
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lifelessimplicitly, just by 'this date is better'20:53
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lifelesshow important is it that we be sprinting before the milestone (to get things in order for it)20:53
lifelessvs that we be sprinting together (to get tings together)20:53
SpamapSWell my thinking was to get together to push things into h3.20:54
lifelesswhich is sept 5th20:55
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SpamapSBut if people would rather get together to hash out ideas for working on before the icehouse summit.. I would find value in that as well.20:55
jog0lifeless: why not something over sept 5th so we can both push to finish features and then switch to finding/triaging and fixing bugs?20:55
jog0(so we can make things work for the burners)20:56
lifelessjog0: I have a conference 6/7/8 sept20:56
SpamapSI get the feeling that people not explicitly "working on tripleo" are constrained by their primary focus.20:56
lifelessjog0: though like mordred I don't strictly need to be at the sprint, I'd really /like/ to be there.20:56
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lifelessjog0: aug 19th is early enough for most burners I think, at least for 1/2 the week.20:57
SpamapSlifeless: I think we'd be less productive without you20:57
lifeless26th is the burn start20:57
jog0aug 19th doesn't work for me, but if it works for everyone else I will just have to skip it20:57
SpamapSAnd yeah this is a short sprint.. 19/20 gives them 6 days of pre-burn prep time :)20:58
jog0what about sept 2/3?20:58
devanandalifeless: 19/20 is probably no good for either monty or me, FWIW20:58
lifelessdevananda: ack20:58
lifelessdevananda: mordred had indicated he could do mon maybe tuesday20:58
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lifelessjog0: terrible for burners20:59
mordredmaybe tuesday, but it would be pushing it20:59
devanandamon yes, maybe. tues is kinda driving day20:59
lifelessjog0: they need a couple weeks decompression after the thing20:59
jog0maybe we should do this in
SpamapSand I'm not available 8/27 - 9/9 .. (not burning.. ;)20:59
devanandadoodle ++20:59
lifelessout of time20:59
lifelessI will take it to the list.20:59
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SpamapSlifeless: thanks for chairing20:59
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Swamihi all21:02
markmcclainarosen, SumitNaiksatam, garyk: around21:02
SumitNaiksatamHi markmcclain, All21:02
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markmcclain#startmeeting Networking21:03
openstackMeeting started Mon Jul 15 21:03:26 2013 UTC.  The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking'21:03
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garykmarkmcclain: hi!21:04
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markmcclainTomorrow's the H2 cut, so I'd like to spend most of the time talking about reviews we have outstanding21:04
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markmcclainwe still have lot of items inflight21:05
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markmcclainthe good thing is that everything on here was proposed in time, but we don't have to cram it through just to make the h2 cut21:06
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markmcclainif something needs another 1-2 days to clean up we'll still be ok for the larger Havana schedule21:07
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emaganahi all, little late!!21:07
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* salv-orlando has already removed hist items which are unlikely to merge soon21:08
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markmcclainI also want to say thanks to nati_uen_ for tracking down a nasty bug that was breaking the main devstack gate21:08
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markmcclain#topic Bugs21:08
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nati_uen_markmcclain: Your welcome21:08
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uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1194026 in neutron "check_public_network_connectivity fails with timeout" [Critical,In progress]21:09
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armaxI have also found this one today: bug #120147821:09
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1201478 in neutron "OverflowError: timeout is too large in gate-neutron-python26" [Undecided,In progress]
armaxit's probably not as nasty21:09
armaxbut still annoying21:09
markmcclainnachi has proposed a fix here:
nati_uen_salv-orlando: could you help me to improve commit message?21:10
markmcclainLooks like both amotoki and salv-orlando have been actively reviewing this one21:10
salv-orlandoI'll send you a draft after the meeting21:10
salv-orlandoyep, it's good for me. I am pestering nati_uen_ about the commit message21:10
nati_uen_salv-orlando: Thanks!21:10
salv-orlandobecause he's the lucky winner of today's pedantry prize21:10
markmcclainCurrently this test cause the infras team to turn off the neutron gate check.  The longer this check is non-voting the greater the chance that bit rot sneaks in21:11
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markmcclainarmax: thanks for pointing out that bug21:11
nati_uen_salv-orlando: haha I should still improve my english21:11
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salv-orlandomarkmclain: I think we should be able to merge it in the next hours21:12
armaxmarkmcclain: np21:12
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salv-orlandomarkmcclain: ^^21:12
markmcclainsalv-orlando: great21:13
markmcclainamotoki: would you mind looking at armax's fix?21:13
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amotokimarkmcclain: i haven't checked it yet.21:13
amotokimarkmcclain: will look it soon.21:14
markmcclainamotoki: ok.. it's a small fix21:14
markmcclainAny critical bugs the team needs to know about?21:14
markmcclain#topic Docs21:15
armaxyeah…it's non critical but it'd be good to have a look at it as it may cause false positives during the review process21:15
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markmcclainemagana has updated the docs for neutron rename21:15
emaganaon docs I am waiting for reviews on:
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markmcclainwhen folks have some time please review as quality docs are critical21:15
markmcclainthanks emagana for updating these21:16
armaxthis one would also appreciate some love:
emaganamarkmcclain: Thanks!! Please Folks, add your comments!21:16
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armaxit's not strictly neutron…it documents how to pass network info to nova21:16
markmcclainarmax: right but still impacts us21:17
garyknati_uen_: please look at my comments for
nati_uen_garyk: yes sir!21:17
salv-orlandoarmax: I will review that. For some reason I can +2 it.21:18
amotokihow about renaming in other docs? Is anyone working on netconn-api or other guides?21:18
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salv-orlandoamotoki: I will do the netconn-api renaming21:18
armaxsalv-orlando: you the man :)21:18
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amotokisalv-orlando: thanks21:18
amotokii will do it for ops-guide21:18
markmcclainamotoki: I don't think that anyone has doubled checked the netconn-api docs.21:18
emaganajust one more update, will be adding one more commits for the rest of the manuals (nova, installation, etc..) please, also review them21:19
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salv-orlandomarkmcclain: we mostly already used the generic term 'network' there. But something might have been missed.21:19
amotokimarkmcclain: i am talking about renaming to neutron in netconn-api21:19
annegentle_amotoki: there are also bugs but a few in progress, which is good21:19
salv-orlando#action salv-orlando to ensure the q-word is not anymore anywhere in netconn-api21:20
annegentle_thanks salv-orlando21:20
markmcclainsalv-orlando: thanks21:20
enikanorovq-word lol21:20
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markmcclainAny other docs related items?21:20
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uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1201596 in openstack-api-site "Project rename for netconn-api" [High,Confirmed]21:21
annegentle_just for you21:21
salv-orlandoannegentle_: that's very kind of you :)21:21
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markmcclain#topic API21:22
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markmcclainsalv-orlando: hi21:23
salv-orlandosince today is mostly about open reviews21:23
salv-orlandothe status is that firewall and VPN API patches are very close to merge21:24
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salv-orlandosnaiksatam added something to the firewall patch over the weekend and this triggered another round of review21:24
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salv-orlandonati_uen_ has just lifted the wip put on the API patch21:25
SumitNaiksatamsalv-orlando: thanks for the review, this was a pending item per your comment earlier i realized i hadn't added21:25
salv-orlandofor VPN… so we are ready for another and hopefully last round of review21:25
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nati_uen_salv-orlando: I have fixes the code based on Salvatore and Akihiro's comment, and pushed it21:26
salv-orlandoI think service provider patch is slipping to H-3, unless I hear otherwise from enikanorov_21:26
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salv-orlandoenikanorov: ^^^21:26
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enikanorovI'd like to hear something from markmcclain since he's still -2 on this patch21:26
salv-orlandoI have moved the authZ patch to h-3 as the last bit I need to are some changes into the agent mgmt patch and gongysh has just pushed another patch there, so I do not want to interfere21:26
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markmcclainsalv-orlando: enikanorov pinged me about it.. I've got comments to publish on service_types21:27
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enikanorovI'm ready to resolve any comments (Have updated the wiki with description already)21:27
markmcclainit's also a medium feature and I'd like to ensure that VPN and FW get reviewed first with everyone's limited cycles21:27
markmcclain#topic VPN21:28
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gongyshsalv-orlando: we can put my patch to h-321:28
enikanorovyep, i think we're in no hurry for service types but i would like to see it merged in early H-321:28
nati_uen_OK we are working on review comment.21:28
markmcclainenikanorov: same here21:28
nati_uen_salv-orlando: akihiro: and the others thenk you for your reviews21:28
nati_uen_Cleanup for API side is finished. Swami is working on Client side.21:28
nati_uen_I'll fix the driver side in today21:29
nati_uen_One good news is heat support will be come up after we merged the vpn.21:29
nati_uen_That's all21:29
nati_uen_markmcclain: I have discuss with you namespace wrapper21:29
markmcclainnati_uen_: ok.. we can discuss offline21:29
nati_uen_markmcclain: OK I put my thought on the gerrit21:30
nati_uen_OK thanks21:30
markmcclainnati_uen_: who's going to write the api docs for VPN?21:30
markmcclainand regular docs?21:30
nati_uen_markmcclain: Satich was raised hand21:31
nati_uen_markmcclain: But If he don't do that, I'll take it21:31
emagananati_uen_: I can help you on that!21:31
nati_uen_emagana: Thanks!21:31
emagananati_uen_: let's touch based offline!21:31
nati_uen_emagana: gotcha21:31
nati_uen_we have good wiki, so IMO it is easy to write docs21:32
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markmcclainOk.. anything about VPNs?21:32
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nati_uen_markmcclain: That's all.21:32
emagana#action emagana create bp on docs for VPNaaS21:32
markmcclainnati_uen_: thanks for the update21:32
markmcclain#topic FWaaS21:33
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markmcclainSumitNaiksatam: hi21:33
SumitNaiksatamAll fwaas patches are getting reviews, and we have two or more cores on each. The driver patch needs a little more core review attention.21:33
SumitNaiksatamI got great feedback on the API patch.21:33
SumitNaiksatamI believe all reviewers' comments have been addressed and I don't think there are outstanding issues.21:33
salv-orlandoI think I reviewed it but id not left comment21:33
salv-orlandothe driver patch21:33
salv-orlandoI will have another look at it.21:33
SumitNaiksatamyeah, big thanks to Salvatore, Akihiro, Aaron, Eugene, Oleg and Paul for the continued reviews. Hopefully we can wrap this patch soon.21:33
SumitNaiksatami mean the API patch21:34
markmcclaingreat glad to see we've got good core coverage21:34
SumitNaiksatamand hopefully the agent and driver patches as well21:34
markmcclainWho's writing api and regular docs for this?21:34
SumitNaiksatamDevstack patch (Ravi) is also close to getting pushed, and if it lands soon it might help in reviews.21:34
gongyshIf you don't mind, I want to help write doc since I am not familiar with fwass.21:35
SumitNaiksatami will start working on the docs with the rest of the team21:35
SumitNaiksatamgongysh: yeah sure21:35
SumitNaiksatam:#action SumitNaiksatam create bp on docs for FWaaS21:35
SumitNaiksatamSridarK (agent patch) has a question on the RPC version21:35
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: you there?21:36
markmcclain#action SumitNaiksatam create bp on docs for FWaaS21:36
SridarKy On RPC - adding a method  for Agent -> Plugin - since it is a new method - backward compatible - so we bump up the minor version on both ends ?21:36
SumitNaiksatamthe question is more in the context of the L3 agent21:36
SridarKgot some diff opinions, follwing comments in rpc/dispatcher.py21:36
nati_uen_Yes I have some concern21:37
SumitNaiksatamsince we are using the l3 agent footprint for the firewall agent21:37
nati_uen_Current code changes l3-agent directly.21:37
russellbping me if you want me to look at a review WRT rpc versioning ... i added the support for it in the rpc code originally21:37
SridarKthanks <russellb>21:37
SumitNaiksatamnati_uen_: can you clarify by what you mean by changing code directly?21:38
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nati_uen_SumitNaiksatam: current code is adding mix in for l3-agent class. IMO, we agreed we don't touch l3-agent in this experimental version of services21:39
SumitNaiksatamthe fwaas agent functionality kicks in only if the fwaas driver is configured21:39
enikanorovso fw and vpn will conflict for l3 agent?21:40
SridarKi thought that this is the understanding and we try to look for a common framework across services in H321:40
SumitNaiksatamnati_uen_: i don't recall that we had this agreement, in fact the agreement was to leverage the footprint of the l3 agent using the mixing approach21:40
nati_uen_enikanorov: it will not be conflict21:40
enikanorovnati_uen_: are you talking about the issue we have discussed today?21:41
enikanorovabout l3 agent?21:41
nati_uen_enikanorov: yes21:41
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nati_uen_ah IMO, Mark said we should use inherit approach at first.21:41
enikanorovby conflict I meant that it would not be possible to configure both vpn and fw at the same time21:41
nati_uen_If it is my misunderstandings, it is OK21:41
markmcclaininheritance was my preferred path for early development21:42
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nati_uen_enikanorov: it is not tested, but it looks like we can use both of it. (i'm little bit worrying about iptables though)21:42
markmcclainnachi's fix for the gate issues to the l3 agent should land first21:42
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain, nati_uen_: we are using inheritance21:42
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nati_uen_SumitNaiksatam: it looks adding mixin to l3-agent21:44
markmcclainok.. can we chat about this after the meeting?21:45
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: SumitNaiksatam21:45
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: sure21:45
SumitNaiksatamany others questions/thoughts on FWaaS?21:46
markmcclainok.. I want to cover the other teams before we run out of time21:46
markmcclain#topic ml221:46
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markmcclainrkukura, mestery: hi21:46
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markmcclainlooks like ML2 changes are moving through21:47
rkukurathe multiple tunnel type patch is in, but needs a quick fix21:47
rkukurathis fix needs one more core21:47
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rkukurathe GRE and VXLAN type drivers are very close - should get in tomorrow21:47
markmcclainI'll take a look at 3702021:48
rkukuramarkmcclain: thanks21:48
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markmcclainyeah I know I've reviewed a few iterations of the GRE and VXLAN drivers21:48
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markmcclainthe team has been been super quick at responding to feedback21:49
markmcclainanything else for ML2?21:49
rkukurathe ml2-portbinding BP is moved to h-3, and arosen has been raising questions about the port binding extension and GenericVifDriver stuff it depends on21:49
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markmcclain#topic LBaaS21:50
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rkukuraalso, the MechanismDriver BP is merged, but is not showing this in the BP21:50
enikanorovagent scheduling patch is waiting for 3rd week for cores attention.21:50
enikanorovI think it has chance to get in for H-221:50
gongyshenikanorov: I will go on with the agent scheduling review.21:50
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enikanorovgongysh: thanks.21:51
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enikanorovthat's the most important item for lbaas for the moment.21:51
gongyshenikanorov: don't hesitate push me if I am lazy.21:52
markmcclainok.. after gongysh gets done with his review we'll get 2nd core from the others who already looked at it21:52
markmcclainenikanorov: thanks for the update21:52
enikanorovgongysh: ok =)21:52
markmcclain#open discussion21:53
markmcclainAny other major H2 items I've skipped?21:53
enikanorovmarkmcclain: today a new bug on lbaas came in21:53
enikanorovit was about no namespace support21:53
markmcclainenikanorov: which bug21:53
enikanorovlet me find21:53
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uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1201249 in neutron "quantum-lbaas-agent ignores use_namespaces = False" [Low,In progress]21:54
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jackmccann preserve iptables counters is getting close, any chance for H-2?21:54
enikanorovso the question would be... if we plan to support such option ever?21:54
enikanorovmy take was 'no'21:54
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markmcclainenikanorov: that's correct originally we decided the feature needed namespaces to work21:55
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markmcclaingaryk: can you take a second look at
salv-orlandoI struggle to understand how the comment in the review is related to the specific issue reported.21:56
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salv-orlandoI am referring to the review for bug 120124921:56
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1201249 in neutron "quantum-lbaas-agent ignores use_namespaces = False" [Low,In progress]
enikanorovsalv-orlando: reported wants this feature21:57
enikanorovthat's it, probably21:57
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enikanorovbut i think it only practically solvable via vm or hw appliances21:57
markmcclainyeah.. the lbaas agent was never designed to work without namespaces21:58
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garykmarkmcclain: sure21:58
markmcclaingaryk: thanks21:58
dkehnmarkmcclain, thx for the reviews on which are completed, focusing on the front-end
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jackmccanngaryk: yes, thanks21:59
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enikanorovdkehn: last time I checked, there was no test coverage for db-related code21:59
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dkehnenikanorov, markmcclain indicated taht we usually don't do db related items like cascade, etc22:00
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dkehnenikanorov, if thats whatt you are refferring to22:01
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enikanorovi'm refering to unit tests for api of extra dhcp options mixin22:01
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dkehnenikanorov, will look in it, take we talk off line22:03
dkehnenikanorov, can we talk off line22:03
markmcclainok.. anything else?22:03
amotokidkehn: I'll look at your new patch soon.22:03
enikanorovdkehn: sure, in about 8 hours.22:03
dkehnenikanorov, lol, ok, I'm back in USA tz will ping you tomoroow22:04
markmcclainThanks to everyone for their hard work on H2.. remember the cut is end of day tomorrow22:04
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markmcclainSumitNaiksatam, nati_uen_: want to talk l3 agent in #openstack-neutron?22:05
nati_uen_markmcclain: gotcha22:05
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: yes sure22:05
SumitNaiksatamwill see you there22:05
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