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| mestery | Hi | 13:59 |
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| rkukura | hi | 13:59 |
| matrohon | hi | 13:59 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 17 14:00:03 2013 UTC. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 14:00 |
| mestery | #info https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 Agenda | 14:00 |
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| mestery | First off, wanted to congratulate and thank everyone for all the hard work over the last few weeks! | 14:00 |
| mestery | We managed to get 4 important merges in for H2! | 14:00 |
| mestery | #info MechanismDriver, tunnel_types, and GRE and VXLAN TypeDriver patches all merged for H2 | 14:01 |
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| matrohon | champagne | 14:01 |
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| mestery | We still have a good amount of work for H3, but ML2 is looking to be in great shape when Havana releases! | 14:02 |
| mestery | So, anything related to those merges anyone wants to share? | 14:03 |
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| apech | not really - thanks all for the review | 14:03 |
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| matrohon | we need to update devstack to handle several tunnel_types with ML2 | 14:03 |
| rkukura | So what remains for parity with the monolithic plugins? | 14:03 |
| mestery | matrohon: Yes, I have a bug for that and I'm working on it. | 14:04 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Good question. I think we should pretty much be at parity for OVS and LinuxBridge now. | 14:04 |
| Sukhdev | Good morning | 14:04 |
| rkukura | We need devstack to fully support ml2, and need to start working on docs | 14:05 |
| apech | rkukura: are the port-binding blueprint required for parity with monolithic plugins? | 14:05 |
| mestery | #action mestery to work on devstack support for new ML2 functionality | 14:05 |
| mestery | #action ML2 team to work on documenting new ML2 functionality | 14:05 |
| rkukura | The port-binding BP is important, but not specifically for parity - lets discuss it later on the agenda | 14:06 |
| mestery | Yes, lets move on in the agenda now | 14:06 |
| mestery | #topic Action Items | 14:06 |
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| mestery | Looks like rkukura updated the ML2 wiki page, thanks! We still need to flesh that out a bit more I think. | 14:06 |
| rkukura | We should now work towards switching devstack's default from openvswitch to ml2 | 14:06 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/ML2 ML2 Wiki Page | 14:07 |
| mestery | #action mestery to make sure devstack defaults to ML2 instead of OVS | 14:07 |
| mestery | rkukura: Yes, I agree on that switch. | 14:07 |
| rkukura | The widi is just a start, based on the README (which needs updating for the tunnel types) | 14:07 |
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| mestery | I'll file a bug for the README update and fix that. | 14:07 |
| mestery | #action mestery to file bug to update ML2 README to take into account tunnel types changes | 14:08 |
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| mestery | rkukra: Did you get a chance to sync up with maru about the event based polling? | 14:08 |
| rkukura | I pinged him this morning, but no response yet | 14:09 |
| mestery | OK | 14:09 |
| Sukhdev | BTW, while we are on this topic, I tried using devstack and localrc to bringup ML2 - I was almost there, but, fell short a bit - so, yes, documentation is needed | 14:09 |
| rkukura | I think the current polling is improved enough that this shouldn't be high priority for us | 14:09 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: Yes, right now you have to stop Neutron server and modify the ML2 config by hand for a few items, I have a bug open in devstack to fix that. | 14:10 |
| mestery | rkukura: Great! | 14:10 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Using vlans for tenant networks should be fully supported in devstack now | 14:10 |
| Sukhdev | I had hard time getting the VLAN ranges to work correctly using localrd | 14:11 |
| Sukhdev | localrd | 14:11 |
| Sukhdev | localrc | 14:11 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: could be a bug | 14:11 |
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| mestery | I have only been using GRE and VXLAN mode with devstack and ML2 for hte last few weeks. | 14:12 |
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| rkukura | mestery: your devstack bug is regarding tunnels, right? | 14:12 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: setting VLAN type works, but, ranges does not work the way it was with ovs | 14:12 |
| mestery | rkukura: Actually, it was to update devstack to fully work with ML2, not just tunnels, and expose extra config support the same as LB and OVS. | 14:12 |
| mestery | rkukura: But that work mostly involves tunnels, so I guess you're right. :) | 14:12 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: I think I've seen what you are describing | 14:13 |
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| rkukura | Lets get the support for local/vlan/gre/vxlan tenant network types all working under one devstack patch/bug if possible | 14:13 |
| mestery | rkukura: I will do that. | 14:14 |
| rkukura | great! | 14:14 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: The only way I have been able to make it work is by manually changing the config | 14:14 |
| mestery | #info Issues with VLAN ranges when running ML2 with devstack. | 14:14 |
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| mestery | fmanco: Here? | 14:15 |
| fmanco | yes | 14:15 |
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| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/campus-network Campus Network BP | 14:15 |
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| mestery | fmanco: Thanks for updating your BP to keep ML2 in mind. | 14:15 |
| mestery | I think the ML2 team should review this BP and see what is possible in H3 with regards to it. | 14:16 |
| mestery | rkukura: What do you think? | 14:16 |
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| rkukura | I haven't been able to review it in detail yet, but will for next meeting | 14:16 |
| rkukura | and will try to post comments beforehand | 14:16 |
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| mestery | #action rkukura to review Campus Network BP and provide feedback | 14:17 |
| mestery | Thanks rkukura! | 14:17 |
| fmanco | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-external-port | 14:17 |
| fmanco | This is the BP regarding ML2 | 14:17 |
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| fmanco | I didn't update the campus network one yet | 14:17 |
| mestery | fmanco: Thanks for sharing, we'll review this for next week's meeting. | 14:17 |
| fmanco | mestery: Ok, thank you. If everyone agrees with this one I can update the Campus network accordingly | 14:18 |
| mestery | fmanco: Sounds good! | 14:18 |
| mestery | OK, lets move on to the next agenda item. | 14:18 |
| mestery | #topic Blueprint Updates | 14:19 |
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| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/ml2-portbinding ML2 Port Binding | 14:19 |
| mestery | rkukura: Port Binding update? | 14:19 |
| rkukura | arosen has been arguing on openstack-dev that the whole port binding approach should be reverted | 14:19 |
| mestery | I saw that, what was the outcome of that discussion? | 14:20 |
| rkukura | I'll get working on the code this week assuming this will not happen | 14:20 |
| rkukura | no real conclusion | 14:20 |
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| rkukura | I'll see if the ml2 port binding can be flexible enough to bind when the host_id is set, or when an RPC comes in from an L2 agent | 14:21 |
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| mestery | rkukura: That sounds great if you can make it happen! Flexibility would be nice there if it's possible. | 14:22 |
| rkukura | Even if we don't care about binding:vif_type, we still need to select a segment | 14:22 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Agreed. | 14:22 |
| mestery | Anything else on Port Binding? | 14:22 |
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| rkukura | but I'm not sure if this will support Arista's use case or not | 14:22 |
| mestery | apech Sukhdev: Any comments? | 14:23 |
| rkukura | It wouldn't hurt for others to chime in on the openstack-dev thread | 14:23 |
| Sukhdev | At present we are using port binding to get host-id and the instance-id | 14:23 |
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| mestery | #action ML2 team to respond to port binding thread on openstack-dev | 14:24 |
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| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-multi-segment-api ML2 Multi-Segment API | 14:25 |
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| mestery | The next thing on the plate for H3 is multi segment networks | 14:25 |
| mestery | rkukura: Do we have anyone signed up for this BP yet? | 14:25 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I have a hack to work around portbinding now, and notice that i can get host-id with the latest nova merge | 14:25 |
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| rkukura | The patch from nicira for the multiprovider extension is improved | 14:26 |
| mestery | rkukura: Does that look likely to be the basis for the ML2 API then? | 14:26 |
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| rkukura | Main question right now is how does multiprovider and provider coexist | 14:26 |
| rkukura | I hope so | 14:26 |
| rkukura | I'm thinking for single-segment networks, both extensions would reflect the same info | 14:27 |
| mestery | That makes sense. | 14:27 |
| rkukura | But with multi-segnemts, the provider extension's network_type would be a special | 14:27 |
| rkukura | 'multi-segment' value | 14:27 |
| mestery | rkukura: Do we consider multi segment to be critical for H3? I assume we do, but now that H2 is over, wanted to make sure. | 14:28 |
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| rkukura | I'd like to get it in, especially if the extension gets in for nvp | 14:28 |
| mestery | Agreed. | 14:28 |
| rkukura | I hope implementation involves just exposing the segment list we already manage | 14:29 |
| mestery | Anything else on multi-segment ML2? | 14:29 |
| rkukura | I'm happy to implement it, but if someone else gets to it sooner, that's fine | 14:29 |
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| mestery | rkukura: I may be able to take that BP on and implement it. Will syncup offline. | 14:29 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: will you be making changes to Neutron API to supoort multi-segmented networks? | 14:30 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: hopefully no major driver API changes would be required | 14:30 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: thanks | 14:30 |
| mestery | #topic ML2 Related Bugs and BPs | 14:31 |
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| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1200767 ML2 devstack updates | 14:31 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1200767 in devstack "Add support for setting extra network options for ML2 plugin" [Undecided,In progress] | 14:31 |
| mestery | We already discussed this a bit. | 14:32 |
| mestery | But I'll try to get a patch for this posted by tomorrow to enable all the new ML2 functionality. | 14:32 |
| matrohon | great!! | 14:32 |
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| rkukura | anyone with devstack core? | 14:33 |
| mestery | rkukura: I thought the only Neutron folks who are devstack cores are danwendlant and garyk, right? | 14:33 |
| rkukura | I'd like to get its importance and target milestone set | 14:34 |
| mestery | rkukura: I'll talk to Sean and Dean and make sure they are aware. | 14:34 |
| rkukura | thanks | 14:34 |
| mestery | #action mestery to talk to dean and gary about importance of ML2 devstack bug | 14:34 |
| matrohon | just a nit, i'm unable to use the provider extension with ML2 plugin | 14:34 |
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| rkukura | matrohon: Sounds like more than a nit! | 14:35 |
| matrohon | yep, but it may be my conf which is wrong... | 14:35 |
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| matrohon | the syntax is this one : | 14:35 |
| matrohon | neutron net-create net-gre1 --provider:network_type gre --provider:segmentation_id 2 | 14:35 |
| matrohon | ? | 14:35 |
| HenryG | tenant? | 14:36 |
| matrohon | with admin creds | 14:36 |
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| rkukura | tenant is needed with admin creds | 14:36 |
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| matrohon | same.. it looks like it doesn't consider the request as a provider network request | 14:38 |
| matrohon | and try to allocate a tenant network | 14:38 |
| rkukura | have you tried with network_type vlan? | 14:38 |
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| matrohon | my current conf only support vxlan and gre type driver, but i will investigate deeper | 14:39 |
| mestery | #action matrohon to investigate possible provider extension bug with ML2 tunnel TypeDrivers | 14:40 |
| mestery | OK moving on | 14:40 |
| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/l2-population OVS L2 Population BP | 14:40 |
| mestery | matrohon: This one is yours I believe. | 14:40 |
| matrohon | mestery: yes the work should start today :) | 14:41 |
| mestery | matrohon: Great! | 14:41 |
| Sukhdev | I have been using it with network_type VLAN, and it seems to be OK | 14:41 |
| mestery | matrohon: Does this also relate to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1196963 | 14:41 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1196963 in neutron "Update the OVS agent code to program tunnels using ports instead of tunnel IDs" [Wishlist,In progress] | 14:41 |
| matrohon | I'm working on this bug, that why i need a conf with vxlan and gre only | 14:42 |
| matrohon | I hope to have a first patch before the end of the week | 14:42 |
| mestery | matrohon: Awesome, thanks! | 14:43 |
| mestery | We've touched on the other bugs in the agenda already in the meeting. | 14:43 |
| mestery | Are there any other bugs or BPs (outside of MechanismDrivers, which is the next section) people want to bring up? | 14:43 |
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| mestery | #topic Ported Mechanism Driver Updates | 14:44 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: Arista update? | 14:45 |
| Sukhdev | Still waiting on portbinding stuff - in the mean time working on UTs | 14:45 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: Thanks! | 14:46 |
| mestery | I know rcurran is on PTO today, the Cisco update is mostly the same, doing some UT, I believe rcurran was making good progress before going on PTO though. | 14:46 |
| mestery | The OpenDaylight update has some good news. | 14:46 |
| mestery | There is now an OVSDB project proposed into OpenDaylight, which means we'll be able to do more with the ODL MechanismDriver. | 14:47 |
| mestery | Over the next few weeks, we should see more progress on the ODL MechanismDriver. | 14:47 |
| mestery | Any other MechanismDriver updates? Or question on the ones mentioned here? | 14:47 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 14:48 |
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| mestery | Thanks again for everyone's hard work at the end of H2! | 14:48 |
| rkukura | matrohon: I confirmed creating provider gre net does not use the specified segmentation_id, but vlan works fine | 14:49 |
| mestery | I think by next week if we can ensure all of the ML2 H3 BPs have owners, we'll be in good shape for H3. | 14:49 |
| rkukura | mestery: Agreed | 14:49 |
| matrohon | rkukura: ok i'm not crazy! | 14:49 |
| mestery | matrohon: Maybe file a bug for that issue? | 14:50 |
| matrohon | mestery : ok | 14:50 |
| mestery | matrohon: Also, I was seeing some issues on Ubuntu 13.04 with ML2 and VXLAN/GRE where flows weren't being programmed correctly. | 14:50 |
| mestery | matrohon: Need to investigate more today. With Fedora 19, it was working, not sure what was different. | 14:50 |
| rkukura | matrohon: trying to create a provider vxlan also results in tenant gre network | 14:51 |
| matrohon | mestery : im' using 12.04 | 14:51 |
| rkukura | I don't think the OVS in fedora supports tunnels yet the way openvswitch agent uses OVS | 14:51 |
| mestery | matrohon: I'll try 12.04 out today and see how that works. | 14:51 |
| mestery | rkukura: I'm using a compiled upstream master OVS. :) | 14:52 |
| rkukura | mestery: OK | 14:52 |
| mestery | rkukura: Appropriately patched for the 3.9 kernel in Fedora 19 as well. :) | 14:52 |
| matrohon | rkukura: that's my issue, myworkaround was to set very small tunnel ranges | 14:52 |
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| mestery | OK, anything else to discuss here? | 14:53 |
| rkukura | We need to get the basic functionality and devstack support solid before ml2 can become devstack's default | 14:53 |
| mestery | rkukura: Agreed. I'll leave the devstack patch defaulting to OVS until we get these issues sorted out. | 14:54 |
| rkukura | And I expect switching devstack's default will become less likely as H-3 gets closer | 14:54 |
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| mestery | If we can get these bugs sorted out by next week, we may be able to convince sean and dean to switch it soon after. | 14:55 |
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| rkukura | Anyone care to look into a migration tool from monolithic plugins to ml2? | 14:55 |
| mestery | rkukura: You mean writing some python or scripts to handle this? | 14:55 |
| rkukura | yes | 14:55 |
| rkukura | reading one DB schema, writing the other, or something like that | 14:56 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Can you file a bug for this to track it? | 14:56 |
| rkukura | maybe that would deserve a BP | 14:56 |
| mestery | I think you may be right. | 14:56 |
| rkukura | OK | 14:56 |
| mestery | #action rkukura to file a BP to track migration from OVS/LB to ML2 | 14:56 |
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| mestery | OK, thanks for everyone's hard work and for attending today's ML2 meeting! | 14:57 |
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| mestery | We'll meet again next Wednesday and likely continue these into H3 as well to ensure we're tracking ML2 progress for the Havana release! | 14:57 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 17 14:57:44 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-07-17-14.00.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-07-17-14.00.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-07-17-14.00.log.html | 14:57 |
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| rkukura | thanks mestery! | 14:58 |
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| matrohon | rkukura, mestery : https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1202244 | 14:58 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1202244 in neutron "ML2 plugin with gre tunnel_type is unable to use provider extension options " [Undecided,New] | 14:58 |
| mestery | matrohon: Thanks, will track this on the ML2 meeting page. | 14:58 |
| mestery | This also applies to VXLAN as well, right? | 14:58 |
| mestery | Maybe update the description. | 14:58 |
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| HenryG | I could take a stab at that one if people have their hands full? | 14:59 |
| mestery | HenryG: Taht would be awesome! matrohon, is that ok? | 14:59 |
| matrohon | HenryG: it's fine for me | 15:00 |
| mestery | matrohon: Great! Assign it to HenryG! | 15:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 17 15:02:31 2013 UTC. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | hi is anyone around for the meeting today? | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think the Citrix folks are all busy this afternoon, but I could be wrong | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well our h-2 things landed | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets keep plugging away at the h-3 stuff | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info will review all H blueprints next week | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 17 15:04:42 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-07-17-15.02.html | 15:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-07-17-15.02.txt | 15:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-07-17-15.02.log.html | 15:04 |
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| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 17 16:00:24 2013 UTC. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | avishay: thingee DuncanT hemna_ kmartin | 16:00 |
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| jgriffith | xyang_: howdy | 16:01 |
| zhiyan | hello | 16:01 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: hey ya | 16:01 |
| xyang_ | jgriffith: hi! | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | So there *were* some topic this morning, but it appears they've been removed :) | 16:01 |
| avishay | hi all! | 16:01 |
| winston-d | hi all~ | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: hey | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | avishay: morning/evening | 16:02 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: morning | 16:02 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: evening :) | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | So there were some proposed topics, but they've been removed | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | Does anybody have anything they want to make sure we hit today before I start rambling along? | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | Hey all | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Howdy! | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | I've got nothing | 16:02 |
| zhiyan | yes, can we talke about 'R/O' volume support for cinder part? | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: indeed... | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | zhiyan: if there are no objections, we can start with that actually | 16:03 |
| thingee | jgriffith: I only saw one thing tacked onto the july 10th agenda =/ | 16:03 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: gnorth has a topic too | 16:03 |
| bswartz | I'm curious to know what the current state of multi-attach is | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | thingee: yeah, the local volume thing? | 16:03 |
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| kmartin | hemna and I should be able to attend the last 30 minutes | 16:03 |
| zhiyan | thanks, first i want to make sure is there a existing BP for that? | 16:03 |
| med_ | Introduce the volume-driver-id blueprint - gnorth from history | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: check the bp, no real update as of yet | 16:03 |
| bswartz | okay that's what I suspected -- just checking | 16:04 |
| med_ | Introduce the volume-driver-id blueprint - gnorth from WIKI history | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | #topic R/O attach | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "R/O attach (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:04 | |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: what's on your mind? | 16:04 |
| gnorth | Hey, I'm on. | 16:04 |
| thingee | jgriffith: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/volume-driver-id volume-driver-id | 16:04 |
| thingee | jgriffith: that was the only thing | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | thingee: thanks :) | 16:04 |
| zhiyan | sorry, i don't know that also. | 16:04 |
| zhiyan | bswartz: yes, multiple-attaching | 16:05 |
| zhiyan | we just discussed that in maillist | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: you mentioned you wanted to talk about R/O attach? | 16:05 |
| zhiyan | jgriffith: as we talked before (last week?) IMO, if we not combine multple-attaching with R/O attaching, then i think R/O attaching for cinder part maybe just a API status management level change.. | 16:06 |
| zhiyan | do you think so? | 16:06 |
| zhiyan | and pass the 'R/O' attaching flag to driver layer | 16:07 |
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| hemna_ | jgriffith, we are doing a preso at the moment.... | 16:07 |
| zhiyan | and probable nova said need do a lot of things, in particular hypervisor driver code | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: yep, understood. I realize you're in a bit of a rush to get R/O and don't want to wait | 16:08 |
| thingee | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/read-only-volumes | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | zhiyan: I don't really have an issue with doing the R/O work separately | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: is that what you're getting at? | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: that work is in progress but has been rejected | 16:08 |
| zhiyan | i'm ok, if separate r/o attaching and multiple attaching change | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: I'm just trying to get to exactly what you're asking/proposing | 16:09 |
| zhiyan | address r/o attaching first, then to multiple-attaching IMO | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: yeah, that's happening already | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | see the bp thingee referenced | 16:09 |
| zhiyan | who developing r/o attaching feature now? | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | also the review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34723/ | 16:10 |
| thingee | +1 these are already separate bps. they should be separate commits for sanity | 16:10 |
| zhiyan | ok | 16:10 |
| thingee | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/multi-attach-volume | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: so if you have an interest you should review add input :) | 16:10 |
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| zhiyan | oh, i need check it | 16:10 |
| zhiyan | :) just not know that before | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: :) | 16:10 |
| zhiyan | yep | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | there's a ton of in flight stuff right now, hard to keep track :) | 16:11 |
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| jgriffith | Ok... anything else on R/O ? | 16:11 |
| zhiyan | no, but have one to multi-attach-volume, | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | #topic multi-attach | 16:11 |
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| dosaboy | jgriffith: sorry i'm late, i had a topic to discuss if there is time :) | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: sure... I'll hit you up in a few minutes | 16:12 |
| thingee | dosaboy: add it to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:12 |
| bswartz | dosaboy: we never run out of time in these meetings! | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: so there was some confusion introduced because of multiple bp's here | 16:12 |
| thingee | heh | 16:12 |
| zhiyan | seems that bp is different with my thoughts. I will check it later...sorry | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: now that's funy! | 16:12 |
| dosaboy | doing it now | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/shared-volume | 16:12 |
| zhiyan | yes, rongze creating it | 16:13 |
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| zhiyan | ok, let me check them, and ask/sync with you of line. | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: there's also https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/multi-attach-volume | 16:13 |
| avishay | move on to volume-driver-id? | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: kmartin we'll want to look at combining these I think | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | avishay: yes sir | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | anything else on multi-attach? | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: ? | 16:14 |
| zhiyan | no, thanks | 16:14 |
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| bswartz | no, just that NetApp has a use case for it | 16:14 |
| thingee | jgriffith: yeah I'm confused about there being two | 16:14 |
| bswartz | we're interested in multi-attach and writable | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | thingee: :) I'll work on getting that fixed up with kmartin and the folks from Mirantis | 16:15 |
| avishay | as are we (IBM) | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | thingee: on the bright side up until last week there were 3 :) | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | good thing is that despite the original comments added to my proposal by others it seems the majority is interested in this landing | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | Ok, it's high priority for H3 | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | I'll get the BP's consolidated and cleaned up this week | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | we'll make it happen | 16:16 |
| winston-d | thingee: the share volume bp is 100-yr old~ | 16:16 |
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| thingee | hehe | 16:16 |
| med_ | heh | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | #topic volume-id | 16:16 |
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| med_ | gnorth, ^ | 16:16 |
| avishay | gnorth: hit it | 16:16 |
| gnorth | Hokay, so this is a new blueprint | 16:16 |
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| med_ | link? | 16:16 |
| gnorth | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/volume-driver-id | 16:16 |
| gnorth | Principally, it allows us to behave better when our Volumes are backed by shared storage that non-Openstack users are using | 16:17 |
| gnorth | i.e. SAN storage controllers etc. | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | gnorth: so on the surface I have no issue with this, think it's a good idea | 16:17 |
| gnorth | It is annoying that we have to embed the Cinder Volume UUID in the disk names - that isn't great for administrators etc. | 16:17 |
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| bswartz | +1 | 16:17 |
| gnorth | So this BP adds it, and a reference implementation for Storwize (I'm IBM) | 16:18 |
| gnorth | I would like to discuss the database upgrade/downgrade scenarious | 16:18 |
| gnorth | Since this could be something of a one-way street | 16:18 |
| xyang_ | nice feature | 16:18 |
| gnorth | If I have Volumes whose name is disconnected from the SAN name, and is using the driver_id | 16:18 |
| gnorth | There isn't really a good way to downgrade | 16:18 |
| zhiyan | make sense to me, sound's good | 16:19 |
| avishay | gnorth: I know we discussed this privately but I forgot the conclusions...could we rename to UUID on downgrade? | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: "disconneceted from the SAN Name" / "using the driver_id" | 16:19 |
| gnorth | Yeah, so today I create a Volume 223123-abd03-... | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | avishay: my vote is no as I stated before in the review | 16:20 |
| zhiyan | do you think it will be better if we give a 'metadata' field? it's a directory | 16:20 |
| gnorth | And it gets called (on the SAN) volume0223123-abd03... | 16:20 |
| zhiyan | gnorth:? | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | I don't like the idea of going around changing UUID's of volumes | 16:20 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: which review? | 16:20 |
| gnorth | zhiyan - see design, security hole to use metadata | 16:20 |
| winston-d | zhiyan: there is metadata | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: you can specify that in volume_name_template setting by the way | 16:20 |
| gnorth | Yes | 16:20 |
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| gnorth | But the problem is I upgrade, and create volume | 16:21 |
| gnorth | Which is now called volume-geraint-disk | 16:21 |
| gnorth | on the SAN | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: so just change it to "${driver_name}-volume-uuid | 16:21 |
| gnorth | And driver_id references it | 16:21 |
| gnorth | Now I downgrade to an earlier OpenStack | 16:21 |
| gnorth | And I lose the mapping from Volume to SAN disk, because I lose my driver_id | 16:21 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: I don't think your understanding on this BP is correct | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: sure, but why's that a problem? | 16:21 |
| gnorth | So I don't have a good solution for downgrade - Avishay's suggestion is to rename the SAN disk, not change the UUID. | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: sure I don't | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: enlighten me then | 16:22 |
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| bswartz | it sounds to me like it's a mechanism to allow drivers to name their internal things something not based on UUID, and we add a database column to maintain the key that the driver actually used | 16:22 |
| gnorth | Precisely | 16:23 |
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| bswartz | so the driver can map the thing it created to the orignal UUID | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: ok, what's the part that I don't understand? | 16:23 |
| bswartz | there is no proposal to change UUIDs here | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: ahh... that was WRT to a comment earlier by avishay I believe | 16:23 |
| bswartz | just a proposal to add a mapping layer from the UUIDs to something driver-defined | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | and... | 16:23 |
| avishay | jgriffith: i meant that on downgrade, we can rename the volume to the way it's named today, by UUID | 16:24 |
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| bswartz | avishay: that would work, but the downgrade logic might get a lot more complicated if it has to do non-database-related work | 16:24 |
| winston-d | so if there really a need to downgrade, driver should take over the maintain that mapping internally | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | avishay: ahh... yeah, that seems like a foredrawn conclusion | 16:24 |
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| jgriffith | winston-d: driver will be downgraded as well :) | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | so it is tricky | 16:25 |
| xyang_ | avishay: you mean someone will manually rename using UUID? | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: I think that's the problem | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: the downgrade can do this in the DB for us | 16:25 |
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| jgriffith | but then we have all these volumes with innacurate names | 16:26 |
| winston-d | avishay: is it a good idea that using a end-user visible field to do that? | 16:26 |
| xyang_ | jgriffith: ok | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: remember there's a difference between name and display-name | 16:26 |
| bswartz | it seems to me that the only way to downgrade if this feature is in use, would be to run the driver-specific process before the downgrade process which removed reliance on that column by renaming everything | 16:26 |
| gnorth | Yes, so I could fail the downgrade if there were any non-null driver_ids | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | I think it might be safer to introduce a new column | 16:27 |
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| avishay | winston-d: do you have an alternate suggestion? | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | "new" naming styles would be ported back to name in the backport | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | and new volumes created after the backport would revert back to old-style | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | I definitely think that this info should not be end-user visible... | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: I don't see why it would be... gnorth avishay am I correct? | 16:28 |
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| gnorth | DuncanT - in some environments (the ones I work in), it is useful to know the backend reference | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: ^^ | 16:28 |
| gnorth | For example | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | gnorth: Admin only extention then | 16:28 |
| gnorth | I may want to do things on my Storage Controller with my disk that I can't do via the OpenStack driver currently. | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | gnorth: Or some policy controlled extention | 16:28 |
| gnorth | Yes, that could be done | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | so I guess IMO for that I don't see why you can't just continue using UUID for the mapping | 16:28 |
| thingee | DuncanT: if we're talking about extension, I'd rather not see a new column | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | or as metadata on the backend device if available etc | 16:29 |
| gnorth | It is because there isn't metadata on the backend device | 16:29 |
| thingee | anything optional shouldn't mess with the model | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: on yours :) | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: so to back up... | 16:29 |
| gnorth | sure | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: avishay bswartz | 16:29 |
| avishay | thingee: maybe we need non user-accessible metadata? | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | The only thing this solves is you don't like using UUID in the volume names on your devices? | 16:29 |
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| jgriffith | if so that doesn't seem like a very compellign argument to me | 16:30 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: that sounds about right | 16:30 |
| gnorth | Other things it solves, which you can count as non-problems if you wish: | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: that seems like a lame argument | 16:30 |
| gnorth | 1. I would like to (in the future) add the ability to import SAN volumes into Cinder, and not have to rename them. | 16:30 |
| bswartz | it may be weak, but it's not without merit | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: already have a bp for that actually | 16:30 |
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| avishay | gnorth: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/add-export-import-volumes | 16:30 |
| winston-d | gnorth: rename SAN volumes at what level? back-end? | 16:31 |
| gnorth | 2. Since backend volume names must be unique (on my controller...) then it might simplify some volume migration scenarios if we can decouple UUID from backend name, but I've not given that much thought. | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: unique screams UUID to me :) | 16:31 |
| gnorth | winston-d - Yes | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | so there are reasons that I converted all of the volumes to use UUID's in the first place | 16:31 |
| gnorth | In enterprise environments, your SAN administrator may have strict ideas about how they like to organise things | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | believe it or not :) | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | gnorth: perhaps, but would they rather have that or have something that works? | 16:32 |
| gnorth | What is the flaw in my proposal? | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | ok... so I'll stop joking around | 16:32 |
| thingee | gnorth: no downgrade path | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: I like your proposal WRT adding a driver ID column | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | I think that's a great idea | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | I don't like the idea you're proposing WRT to naming games | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | but bswartz and others seem to like it so that's fine | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | I'm out voted | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | But as I said, I don't see the point in adding that sort of complexity, confusion lack of downgrade path etc | 16:34 |
| gnorth | Now, we could make this feature optional - default behaviour would use UUIDs and so downgrade gracefully. | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | Just not seeing the benefit... | 16:34 |
| gnorth | I'm surprised that you see a benefit in driver_id without the naming thing | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: so if the admin didn't choose the right option they could never downgrade? | 16:34 |
| thingee | gnorth: if it's optional, we're not even talking about it touching the model | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: +1 | 16:34 |
| gnorth | Yes, if they specified in their config file that they wanted friendly names on the storage controller, they could never downgrade. | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | How often do downgrades really happen / work? | 16:35 |
| thingee | extensions should deal with metadata, which as avishay pointed out should be some sort of admin only metadata which we don't have yet | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: that's not really the point | 16:35 |
| gnorth | Admin-only metadata would be fine for this also. | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: BTW, driver ID is useful for a host of other things | 16:35 |
| avishay | +1 for admin-only metadata | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: for example | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: I have a customer with 50 SF clusters | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: they're trying to find a volume uuid=XXXXX | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: it would be helpful if they knew "which" cluster to go to | 16:36 |
| dosaboy | DuncanT: good question, but perhaps for another topic ;) | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | gnorth: then they just search for the UUID | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | So regardless... | 16:36 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: can't they do that only using 'host', even with multiple back-ends? | 16:37 |
| thingee | gnorth: I'm keep an open mind on the idea but I still can't justify the two points you raised earlier. If we already had plans for importing volumes which was your first point, I'm not entirely sure about the second point of decoupling UUID from the backend | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | Really I don't think we can do an upgrade that can never be downgraded | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | winston-d: ahh... interesting point | 16:37 |
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| bswartz | jgriffith: I think the driver_id column is actually the mapping column, not the ID of the driver | 16:38 |
| bswartz | maybe it's poorly-named | 16:38 |
| gnorth | driver_id could really just be "driver metadata" | 16:38 |
| gnorth | And by extension, admin-only metadata | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: Oh | 16:38 |
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| zhiyan | gnorth: yes, that should be a 'metadata directory' | 16:38 |
| gnorth | jgriffith - you want to re-state your position? :-) | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | Ok... | 16:39 |
| winston-d | to me, it seems _without_ driver-id or driver metadata, cinder should work fine. no? | 16:39 |
| avishay | If this is implemented as a policy-controlled extension with admin-only metadata, with a warning label that says "this is a one-way street", is that acceptable? | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: well, you probably don't want me to | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | :) | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | Ok, I should let other discuss | 16:39 |
| gnorth | I guess it is a question of how much we see enterprise environments like this as a target market for OpenStack | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: easy there... | 16:39 |
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| gnorth | Not being able to name disks, or at least rename them is going to be a problem. | 16:39 |
| thingee | gnorth: hey sorry I know you're talking to jgriffith but I asked earlier about you to explain further on your second point of decoupling the UUID from the backend | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: I think enterprise are a HUGE target for OpenSTack | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | but I'm not buying the argument that they require "friendly" names on the backend devices and that UUID"s are unacceptable | 16:40 |
| DuncanT | gnorth: There are plenty of very much enterprise class backends that work fine just now | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | again though, I'm fine if everybody else likes it | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | I'll let you all figure it out, but remember you have to come up with a downgrade strategy | 16:40 |
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| gnorth | DuncanT: I'm not questioning that the backend don't "work fine", but whether the lack of control over the disk names will be a barrier to adoption in some enterprise environments | 16:41 |
| winston-d | if downgrade only makes your admin angry, but cinder still works. i don't care. | 16:41 |
| gnorth | RIght, thingee: my point 2 - about the migration? | 16:42 |
| zhiyan | winston-d: agree | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | gnorth: Some things that are a 'barrier to entry' are actually really useful in forcing an enterprise to think in term s of clouds rather than traditional IT | 16:42 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: +1 | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | gnorth: The thing about the cloud is that it frees you from having to nail everything down | 16:43 |
| thingee | gnorth: yeah I guess I'm not understanding the problem you're solving with volume migration. If the cinder service is managing the namespace of the UUID | 16:43 |
| thingee | 's what's the problem? | 16:43 |
| gnorth | thingee: I don't think it is a functional gap, it might just make code cleaner, I don't think it is the most important issue. | 16:43 |
| thingee | ok, so then back to your first point...we have a bp to work towards the idea of import/export | 16:44 |
| gnorth | Essentially, to copy a backend disk from place A to B (i.e. two storage pools in the same controller), and then just update the driver_id | 16:44 |
| avishay | thingee: i think he meant that instead of renaming the volume to match the UUID like my current code does, you could just change the mapping name, correct gnorth ? | 16:44 |
| gnorth | yeah | 16:44 |
| thingee | ok | 16:44 |
| avishay | jgriffith: import volume will rename the volume on the backend? | 16:44 |
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| thingee | I can't speak for myself about this feature really. I'd be more curious if there is a demand for this. ML maybe? | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | avishay: if supported yes, but not required | 16:45 |
| thingee | yes and optional seems fine to me | 16:45 |
| avishay | jgriffith: OK | 16:45 |
| gnorth | jgriffith: How work it work if rename not supported? | 16:45 |
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| winston-d | hemna_: you missed a lot of interesting discussion | 16:46 |
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| hemna_ | doh :( | 16:46 |
| gnorth | So, the clients I am speaking about are getting into cloud (and OpenStack), but not jumping in with both feet - they will want to run PoC first etc. It is valuable to show that we can integrate with their policies and ways of doing things. | 16:46 |
| gnorth | I agree that if nobody ever touched the SAN backend, we wouldn't need this feature. | 16:46 |
| gnorth | But my clients do so a lot, even with cloud deployments, mostly to exploit features that are not yet exposed in the cloud. | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | gnorth: There is a cost to maintaining and testing a feature that is useless to 99.9% of all deployments | 16:47 |
| gnorth | Yes, I agree. | 16:47 |
| avishay | I would also point out that people are using OpenStack for IaaS on things much smaller than a cloud (e.g., a rack or two) | 16:47 |
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| gnorth | I would be happy with admin-metadata and then we could put this into Storwize driver and have it as an optional (downgrade-breaking) feature, if folks don't want this driver_id field. | 16:48 |
| gnorth | But as I say, it is really a question of whether this really is a useless feature for 99.9% of all deployments. | 16:48 |
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| gnorth | And if ec2_id wasn't an integer, I'd be able to use that. :-) | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | admin-metadata has many possible driver-specific usages, so I'd say that was a better name | 16:49 |
| thingee | gnorth: I've just never heard this problem brought up, but I'm mostly coming from a public cloud case | 16:49 |
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| winston-d | gnorth: i believe it' a useful feature for private cloud that wants to migrate existing volumes into cinder | 16:49 |
| bswartz | DuncanT +1 | 16:49 |
| gnorth | For purpose built cloud I agree it is a different story | 16:49 |
| zhiyan | for the real cloud, 99.9% userless, but for traditional IT, it's valuable thing | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I think I'm much more comfortable with that as well | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | haha... real cloud, pretend cloud, my cloud | 16:50 |
| winston-d | zhiyan: private cloud _is_ a real cloud as well | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | it's all cloud | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: thank you!! | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | Ok... are we ready to move on to the next topic? | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | There have been a few use-cases where generic metadata would be useful to drivers (maybe even jgriffith's blocksize stuff I was talking to him about...) | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | Do we have a next topic? | 16:51 |
| gnorth | OK, so what is the conclusion here? | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: :) | 16:51 |
| dosaboy | o/ | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I just solved that by adding provider info :) | 16:51 |
| thingee | DuncanT, jgriffith: just like the capability stuff (and I still need to do)...the keys should be figured in the dev sphinx doc and approved on a commit basis so we don't discrepancies | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: but that's a good point | 16:51 |
| winston-d | dosaboy: not so fast. :) | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | gnorth: Call it 'driver metadata' or something | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | thingee: +1 | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: how about just admin_metadata like you suggested earlier? | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | gnorth: Add an extention API to query / modify it | 16:52 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: +1 | 16:52 |
| zhiyan | winston-d: jgriffith: use case and operation model has little different IMO | 16:52 |
| gnorth | Just as a single String(255) field? | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | So it's not isolated in use or interpretation | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: I agree with you | 16:52 |
| gnorth | Or as key/value pairs? | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: that's kinda the whole point :) | 16:52 |
| gnorth | Like today's metadata | 16:52 |
| thingee | gnorth: you'd make me so happy if you had separate commits on the backend work, and front api work. just sayin' | 16:52 |
| gnorth | thingee: Yes, that is in the staging section of the design, and is the plan. | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | A single string is easier on the DB, but less flexible... | 16:52 |
| winston-d | thingee: noted | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | I've no strong preferences | 16:53 |
| gnorth | Who else might use it other than the driver? | 16:53 |
| DuncanT | Though if it was me I'd go single string | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: who knows :) | 16:53 |
| gnorth | I worry that it could get stomped on if a single string, but agree, earlier on the db | 16:53 |
| gnorth | easier, rather | 16:53 |
| thingee | gnorth: I'm still curious if there's interest if brought up on the ML | 16:53 |
| thingee | likely no one will respond, sigh | 16:53 |
| winston-d | key/value can be much more flexible, if someone else would like to utilize that to achieve other goals. | 16:53 |
| xyang_ | winston-d: +1 | 16:54 |
| DuncanT | gnorth: I'm hoping that people who want magic metadata values can be persuaded to use admin_metadata instead | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | Ok, so I think here's where we're at | 16:54 |
| thingee | 6 min warning | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | Moving away from the idea of the special columns etc in favor of some form of admin metadata | 16:54 |
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| jgriffith | still have some questions about whether single string is best or K/V pairs | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | I'm not object to either | 16:54 |
| gnorth | Add an "admin-only" flag to VolumeMetadata to filter it? | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: oh for sure! Otherwise we'd use the existing volume-metadata :) | 16:55 |
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| jgriffith | Everybody in agreement on that? | 16:55 |
| gnorth | I mean, rather than adding a second set of metadata and APIs - Administrators see more | 16:55 |
| gnorth | And can set that flag | 16:55 |
| winston-d | i'm fine | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: wait... now you lost me again | 16:55 |
| zhiyan | +1, but maybe need filter some sensitive data | 16:55 |
| avishay | sounds good to me | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: you mean use the existing metadata with a flag? | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: not sure how you would do that | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: and still allow the user to set metadata as well | 16:56 |
| gnorth | OK, so you want a new table, new APIs? Treat them completely separately? | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: seems like a separate entitity would be better | 16:56 |
| gnorth | OK | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: I think so... everyone else? | 16:56 |
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| gnorth | How did you handle downgrade when you added metadata - just threw it away? | 16:56 |
| thingee | oh boy, metadata clean up | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: well, we've never had a downgrade where there wasn't a metadata column | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | but yes, that's what we'd be doing here | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | That's the price you pay if you have to downgrade IMO | 16:57 |
| avishay | I think if it could be done elegantly as one metadata column, that would be cool, otherwise two separate | 16:57 |
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| jgriffith | Since the "previous" migration won't know or have any use for it anyway | 16:57 |
| gnorth | I will throw some ideas around, thanks everyone. | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | gnorth: thank you | 16:57 |
| DuncanT | throw it away +1 | 16:57 |
| thingee | we have to be pretty careful with this. we could end up with orphan metadata and admins would be afraid to remove anything without doing a proper lengthy audit | 16:58 |
| bswartz | 2 minutes left | 16:58 |
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| jgriffith | #topic open discussion | 16:58 |
| winston-d | gnorth: thx for handling this tough case :) | 16:58 |
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| kartikaditya_ | I have a new bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/vmware-vmdk-cinder-driver | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: noted... thanks | 16:58 |
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| thingee | gnorth: yes thanks for your input on other use cases | 16:59 |
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| kmartin | should we add "Extend Volume" to the mininum features required by a new cinder driver for Icehouse release? | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | anyone have input to kmartin 's question above? | 16:59 |
| winston-d | kmartin: +1 | 17:00 |
| DuncanT | On that topic I'm considering starting the 'your driver doesn't meet minimum specs' removal patch generation process soon. I'm aware I've got to split this with thingee... anybody any comments? | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | I believe that's in line with what we agreed upon for a policy | 17:00 |
| dosaboy | kartikaditya_: that is along similar ines to what I was thinking with https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/rbd-driver-optional-iscsi-support | 17:00 |
| DuncanT | kmartin: +1 | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I thnk you've been beat | 17:00 |
| thingee | so jdurgin brought up to me that we should probably try to reach maintainers better on requirement changes. | 17:00 |
| kmartin | I'll update the wiki today...thanks | 17:00 |
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| thingee | maybe at the very least we can mention it on the ml besides irc meeting? | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: thingee fair point | 17:00 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Bugger, haven't seen any yet | 17:00 |
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| jgriffith | kmartin: thingee ML is the only good vehicle I can think of though | 17:00 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: I think thingee was starting to tackle that | 17:00 |
| thingee | half the drivers we support now are going to get an email from me about not supporting what's needed in H | 17:00 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: No problem, we agreed to split them :-) | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | Ok, we're out of time an I have another meeting :( | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | #cinder :) | 17:01 |
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| thingee | thanks everyone | 17:01 |
| kartikaditya_ | dosaboy: No, this is more of supporting upcoming datastores that ESX/VC can manage | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | #end meeting | 17:01 |
| kartikaditya_ | damn... | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting cinder | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 17 17:01:42 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-07-17-16.00.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-07-17-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-07-17-16.00.log.html | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | kartikaditya_: I'll ping you in a bit | 17:01 |
| kartikaditya_ | sure thing... thanks! | 17:02 |
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| hartsocks | Anyone around to talk VMwareAPI related stuff? | 17:02 |
| hartsocks | #startmeeting VMwareAPI | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 17 17:02:38 2013 UTC. The chair is hartsocks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: VMwareAPI)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:02 |
| kirankv | hi Shawn | 17:02 |
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| hartsocks | @kirankv hey | 17:03 |
| Eustace | Hi All | 17:03 |
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| hartsocks | anybody else lurking about? | 17:03 |
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| hartsocks | I know a number of folks were traveling this week? | 17:03 |
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| tjones | Hi shawn - i am here now | 17:04 |
| hartsocks | groovy | 17:04 |
| danwent | hi | 17:04 |
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| hartsocks | Okay. Let's get started. | 17:05 |
| hartsocks | #topic bugs | 17:05 |
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| hartsocks | So if you aren't "done" with a bug by now, I'd say you've missed Havana-2 with that fix. | 17:06 |
| hartsocks | Here's what's open... | 17:06 |
| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=vmware | 17:06 |
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| tjones | im so excited - i have 1 +2 and 3 +1 on my 1st patch :-) | 17:06 |
| garyk | hi guys | 17:06 |
| hartsocks | nice! | 17:06 |
| hartsocks | hey | 17:06 |
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| hartsocks | So… I've got some bug triage work to catch up on. | 17:07 |
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| hartsocks | Does anyone have a pet bug they want to talk about? | 17:07 |
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| hartsocks | Any new blockers or any new bugs I should look at right away? | 17:07 |
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| garyk | hartsocks - i am going to push a patch addressing comments from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36411/ | 17:08 |
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| hartsocks | Nice. | 17:08 |
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| hartsocks | I'll be sure to cycle back around to this for review. | 17:09 |
| garyk | it would also be nice if people can look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37389/ (quantum is broken with vmware) | 17:09 |
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| hartsocks | ah. This hasn't been triaged. | 17:10 |
| hartsocks | So this is a new issue. | 17:10 |
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| hartsocks | I'd say this is Critical since there's no work-around. Is that fair? | 17:11 |
| garyk | hartsocks: yes, that is correct | 17:11 |
| hartsocks | okay then | 17:11 |
| hartsocks | done | 17:12 |
| garyk | thanks | 17:12 |
| hartsocks | I'm glad to have you working on this. | 17:12 |
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| hartsocks | Does anyone else have a bug that needs attention? | 17:12 |
| garyk | hartsocks: i'd like to talk about configuration variables | 17:13 |
| hartsocks | okay... | 17:13 |
| hartsocks | What do you have? | 17:13 |
| hartsocks | Is this a bug or is this a blueprint? | 17:14 |
| garyk | at the moment i find it very confusing with all of the variables with the prefixe vmwareapi_. i'd like to suggest that we have a vmware section. wanted to know if others have opinion regarding to this. | 17:14 |
| garyk | i have made changes and would like to push a patch if others agree | 17:14 |
| tjones | i like that idea | 17:14 |
| hartsocks | I think that's more of a blueprint. | 17:15 |
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| hartsocks | If no one has any other bugs we can talk blueprints now. | 17:15 |
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| garyk | ok, i'll open a bp | 17:15 |
| kirankv | @garyk: This idea was suggested duringa review when the VCdriver was initilly posted | 17:16 |
| hartsocks | #topic blueprints | 17:16 |
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| hartsocks | since that's what we're talking about anyway... | 17:16 |
| hartsocks | So… yes. There was talk about shifting the way we handle configurations in previous meetings/reviews. | 17:17 |
| garyk | kirankv: ok thank. i'll open the bp and push the code in a few minutes | 17:17 |
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| garyk | hartsocks: the code will be backward compatible oslo config has options for this | 17:17 |
| hartsocks | wow. | 17:17 |
| hartsocks | nice. | 17:17 |
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| hartsocks | #action garyk posting a new blueprint | 17:18 |
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| hartsocks | One suggestion I saw was to add a configuration validation phase to the driver. | 17:18 |
| hartsocks | This would check to see if you have specified a good cluster name, | 17:18 |
| tjones | and a password if vnc is enabled :-D | 17:19 |
| hartsocks | have the proper datastores, etc. | 17:19 |
| hartsocks | @tjones yep. | 17:19 |
| Sabari__ | But those validations already exist today (ref to cluster name) | 17:19 |
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| hartsocks | The idea would be to move this up to some initial session setup so that you could error out before work began. | 17:20 |
| Sabari__ | CUrrently they happen when the driver is initialized. may be we just need to reorganize the code. | 17:20 |
| hartsocks | This was also coupled with an idea to make the user specify a datacenter. | 17:20 |
| Sabari__ | oh okay | 17:20 |
| kirankv | if only of the validation fails, what action you intend to take, the conf has two clusters specified, one exists and one doesnt, you log an error and continue? | 17:20 |
| hartsocks | hmm... | 17:21 |
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| hartsocks | what would be wrong with dying out completely? | 17:21 |
| hartsocks | I can see error and continue could lead someone to believe they had a "working" config when they had a bad one. | 17:22 |
| tjones | dying is safer and wastes less time when you are trying to debug | 17:22 |
| Sabari__ | With multi-cluster by one service, it's still okay not to die completely but it's important not to start the driver with VCDriver. | 17:22 |
| hartsocks | So there's some debate on the right behavior then. | 17:23 |
| Sabari__ | because the admin may choose to add clusters on the fly or something like that. *thinking* | 17:23 |
| kirankv | ok.... stratup failure is fine | 17:23 |
| hartsocks | So I'm thinking this is an icehouse (next release 2014.1) timeframe blueprint | 17:24 |
| hartsocks | I have also seen review comments on how we could alter some of the code around session... | 17:24 |
| hartsocks | and how that's handled. | 17:24 |
| tjones | @hartsocks - i was thinking that too. | 17:25 |
| kirankv | today there in no dynamic update of the conf without a service restart, but if/when that changes, config checks can be tricky | 17:25 |
| hartsocks | weird idea: could we have a command to add a cluster? | 17:25 |
| hartsocks | That might be nuts. | 17:25 |
| hartsocks | I'm afraid the idea of adding clusters on the fly feels dangerous. | 17:25 |
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| danwent | hartsocks: i don't think that's too nuts :) | 17:26 |
| kirankv | well dynamic addition would be required since you dont want to bring down the service to add another cluster | 17:26 |
| Sabari__ | Just start a new service with the new cluster :) | 17:26 |
| kirankv | the existing clusters status should be smileys | 17:26 |
| hartsocks | ah… so it is a use case then? | 17:27 |
| danwent | in fact, i was thinking a bit about a slightly different model, where one uses tags in VC to indicate whether a cluster should be managed by Nova. So you'd only need to tweak nova.conf when adding a new VC | 17:27 |
| kirankv | well if thats the approach then config checks at starup are fne and stopping the service if config failures are detected | 17:27 |
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| Sabari__ | That's a good idea, more like a filter | 17:27 |
| hartsocks | @danwent interesting idea… and that makes me feel we need to get better inventory integration in the VCDriver | 17:28 |
| Sabari__ | It depends on tagging api's in VC. Need to check. | 17:29 |
| hartsocks | @Sabari_ I'm going to saddle you with following up on that :-) | 17:29 |
| danwent | anywya, didn't want to throw the discussion off track, but it an interesting option as updating nova.conf with info for each new cluster seems painful. | 17:29 |
| Sabari__ | @hartsocks No issues :) | 17:29 |
| garyk | hartsocks: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-configuration-section | 17:29 |
| hartsocks | #action Sabari_ follow up on how to have VCDriver interact with vCenter using "tags" or other means (maybe regex again?) | 17:30 |
| garyk | danwent: i think that oslo config now has a feature that enables configuration updates without retarting services | 17:30 |
| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-configuration-section | 17:30 |
| danwent | garyk: interseting, but it still requires a manual step of updating nova.conf. It would be nice if the person could simply identify the cluster as a Nova cluster when they were creating it in vCenter. | 17:31 |
| garyk | danwent: agreed | 17:31 |
| kirankv | regex seems to be a easiest approach | 17:32 |
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| hartsocks | #action hartsocks rough draft of VMware configuration validation blueprint | 17:32 |
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| garyk | hartsocks: danwent: it may be worth discussion a sync between nova and vcenter - enabling us to try and have as klittle configuration as possible | 17:33 |
| danwent | yeah, I'd at least like to flush out a long-term goal for that, even if we don't get to it in havana | 17:34 |
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| garyk | i'd be happy to try and investigate and propose something moving forwards | 17:34 |
| hartsocks | Either way, I'd like the driver to work with the inventory in vCenter more intelligently. | 17:34 |
| hartsocks | I don't like having to push everything to configurations. | 17:35 |
| hartsocks | okay. | 17:35 |
| hartsocks | There's a new blueprint up... | 17:36 |
| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/vmware-vmdk-cinder-driver | 17:36 |
| hartsocks | "The goal of this blueprint is to implement VMDK driver for cinder." | 17:36 |
| garyk | hartsocks: configuration section support - https://review.openstack.org/37539 | 17:37 |
| hartsocks | Just so people are aware this is underway. | 17:37 |
| hartsocks | okay, on my list | 17:37 |
| garyk | the bp was very detailed and informative | 17:38 |
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| hartsocks | as far as I'm concerned… if you're going to make a mistake on a BP put more detail rather than less. At least people will have some idea of what you're up to. | 17:39 |
| Sabari__ | I am would like to discuss https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/accurate-capacity-of-clusters-for-scheduler sometime. When is this targeted ? | 17:39 |
| garyk | :) | 17:39 |
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| hartsocks | Anyone have comment on this? | 17:40 |
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| hartsocks | @kirankv I think that's yours | 17:40 |
| garyk | Sabari__: i'll go over the BP. There is a regular scheduling meeting. It may be worthwhile bring that up there too. | 17:41 |
| Sabari__ | @garyk Sure | 17:41 |
| garyk | Sabari__: i think that there are some scheduling features that are currently bing worked in that may cover part of this (it is worth checking too) | 17:42 |
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| hartsocks | #action follow up on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/accurate-capacity-of-clusters-for-scheduler with scheduler team | 17:42 |
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| hartsocks | Is there anything else on that blueprint? | 17:43 |
| kirankv | well implementation of this bp requires changes in scheduler core | 17:43 |
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| Sabari__ | @gark I will also check the new scheduling features and see if we have somethingi n common | 17:44 |
| kirankv | this is even applicable today even for libvirt | 17:44 |
| garyk | Sabari__: thanks. | 17:44 |
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| Sabari__ | Yes, I would also like to idea of booting instances to specific resource pools (at runtime). May be added to the bp | 17:45 |
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| kirankv | rp/clusters isnt much of a difference | 17:45 |
| hartsocks | hmm... | 17:46 |
| Sabari__ | yes but the configuration is with the driver. What if certain instance need to be booted in a particular resource pool. This is a usecase in VC | 17:46 |
| garyk | Sabari__: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Scheduler | 17:46 |
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| Sabari__ | This cannot be done dynamically until scheduler supports force provision on certain resource pools. | 17:46 |
| Sabari__ | gark: Thanks | 17:47 |
| kirankv | the scheduler just sees them as compute nodes, so we would have to do the same when we want to boot an instance to a specific compute node/(s) | 17:47 |
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| hartsocks | so… why not a resource pool == a compute node … since everything has at least a default resource pool | 17:48 |
| hartsocks | ? | 17:48 |
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| hartsocks | Then we just shift things to talking about resource pools everywhere... | 17:49 |
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| ssurana | I like that idea.. as that would eliminate the confusion around which host / cluster to use for provisioning the instances | 17:49 |
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| Sabari__ | I think scheduler already supports hints like force_hosts and the user can specify the compute node | 17:50 |
| kirankv | thats how we have got rp support done, had to pull it out of the multi cluster patch since reviewers said the patchset was big | 17:50 |
| kirankv | @Sabari; yes it does | 17:50 |
| garyk | Sabari__: correct the user can specificy a specific node by a hint | 17:50 |
| Sabari__ | It all boils down to which part of the inverntory that the driver is looking at in VC | 17:51 |
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| hartsocks | I think the shift to resource pools is pretty important. It might be more important than the shift to multi-cluster. Here's why I think that... | 17:51 |
| Sabari__ | May be we need to align our strategy towards that. | 17:51 |
| kirankv | in the initial multicluster driver patch, if you specify a resource pool name it would show up as a compute node similar to how it works for cluster today | 17:51 |
| hartsocks | Many of the bugs I've traced have to do with identifying where a particular part of the inventory is in relationship to another. | 17:52 |
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| ssurana | I would say most of the bugs are because of that.. | 17:52 |
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| Sabari__ | What is the basic unit of compute in VC mapped to a nova driver ? Currently, we have different drivers handling this problem | 17:52 |
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| hartsocks | I see host == None in most situations | 17:53 |
| hartsocks | That forces the vCenter to make a guess at placement. | 17:53 |
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| hartsocks | If we switch to Resource Pool ... | 17:53 |
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| hartsocks | the structure of the driver shifts so this isn't a problem. | 17:53 |
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| hartsocks | (or as frequent a prolbem) | 17:54 |
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| hartsocks | @kirankv reviewing your multiple clusters using single compute service as my next priority this week. | 17:55 |
| ssurana | The only caveat the resource pool can be nested, so we need a proper way to represent them in the configuration, so that we can uniquely identify them | 17:55 |
| hartsocks | @kirankv I will try and get you something in by this time next week as a review, but I think you've got a good comment to consider right now. | 17:56 |
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| hartsocks | @ssurana so something like PoolA.PoolB ? | 17:56 |
| kirankv | with resource pools especially the once with configuration set to use parent capacity, providing the resource stats to the scheduler becomes complicated | 17:56 |
| hartsocks | @ssurana or PoolA->PoolB | 17:56 |
| ssurana | well i think we will need to use the inventory path format in the config | 17:56 |
| hartsocks | ah | 17:57 |
| kirankv | @ssurana: the full path support was in the multi cluster patch | 17:57 |
| hartsocks | @kirankv if we just use full inventory paths for resource pools we can avoid a large number of bugs. | 17:57 |
| kirankv | follows the pattern dc/folder/cluster/rp1/rp2 | 17:57 |
| ssurana | yes thats correct | 17:58 |
| hartsocks | @garyk you can do more than one patch per blueprint right? | 17:58 |
| garyk | hartsocks: yes. | 17:58 |
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| garyk | hartsocks: it is just a matter of updating the commit message to contain the bp | 17:58 |
| hartsocks | @kirankv so perhaps you could provide multiple smaller patches to accomplish your goal? | 17:58 |
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| hartsocks | @kirankv this would allow you to give all your features but also break up the patch so people wouldn't be over-whelmed in reviewing it. | 17:59 |
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| kirankv | well im waiting for the first one to get through so that i can push the remaining once, adding them as dependent patches will cause me to doa lot of rebasing | 17:59 |
| hartsocks | @garyk thanks | 17:59 |
| hartsocks | @kirankv you can make a series of patches dependent on each other… | 18:00 |
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| hartsocks | I started to sketch a tutorial on it here... | 18:00 |
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| hartsocks | #link http://hartsock.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-patch-dance-openstack-style.html | 18:00 |
| kirankv | ok will check, hopefully its simple to do it :) | 18:01 |
| hartsocks | I didn't break it down to specific commands… but if you know enough about git, the pattern will be enough to make rebasing less painful. | 18:01 |
| hartsocks | We're out of time. | 18:01 |
| garyk | have a good one guys | 18:02 |
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| hartsocks | The room at #openstack-vmware is always open for impromptu discussion. | 18:02 |
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| kirankv | @hartsocks: thanks | 18:02 |
| hartsocks | Sorry the meeting was a little chaotic this week… but I feel we had a great discussion. | 18:02 |
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| hartsocks | Thanks to everyone for your contributions. | 18:02 |
| hartsocks | See you back here next week. | 18:02 |
| hartsocks | #endmeeting | 18:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 17 18:02:52 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-07-17-17.02.html | 18:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-07-17-17.02.txt | 18:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-07-17-17.02.log.html | 18:02 |
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| stevebaker | #startmeeting | 20:00 |
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| stevebaker | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 17 20:00:48 2013 UTC. The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| tspatzier | Hi | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | #topic rollcall | 20:01 |
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| zaneb | evening all | 20:01 |
| randallburt | hello all | 20:01 |
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| jasond | here | 20:01 |
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| timductive | hi | 20:01 |
| topol | Hi, I'm new to HEAT but very interested in it. I mostly focus on Keystone | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 20:01 |
| spenceratx | hi | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | topol: first lesson, Heat is not an acronym :) | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | topol: and _welcome_!! | 20:02 |
| topol | failed the 1st day quiz... again... :-) | 20:02 |
| * mordred hands topol a consolation cookie | 20:02 | |
| bgorski | o/ | 20:02 |
| topol | thanks | 20:02 |
| SpamapS | mordred: you really should stop putting so much rum in those. | 20:02 |
| mordred | SpamapS: NEVAR | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | #topic h-2 | 20:02 |
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| zaneb | I can never figure why everybody thinks it is an acronym | 20:02 |
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| stevebaker | because its FOUR letters? | 20:03 |
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| mordred | zaneb: I have no idea. people respond to emails I've written with "TripleO" spelled out referring to the project as ooo ... so who knows | 20:03 |
| stevebaker | milestone-proposed is cut! https://github.com/openstack/heat/commits/milestone-proposed | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: Perhaps they are in need of Human Enhanced Acronym Training. | 20:03 |
| stevebaker | well done everyone | 20:03 |
| randallburt | congrats! | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | lots of goodness in h2 | 20:03 |
| radix | here btw | 20:04 |
| stevebaker | I assume that means it is open season on master. difficulty of backporting fixes notwithstanding | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | I'll mark my ceilometer patches as wip | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | anyhoo, back to the real agenda | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | #topic Review last week's actions | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | I am just cleaning up | 20:05 |
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| stevebaker | heat-core to write a mission statement (stevebaker) | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | stevebaker to start mission discussion on list (stevebaker) | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | wow, totally failed to do that | 20:06 |
| asalkeld | must have been busy | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | #action stevebaker to start mission discussion on list | 20:06 |
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| thomasem | Hello! | 20:06 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld, stevebaker to raise some documentation blueprints | 20:06 |
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| andrew_plunk2 | hi | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | which brings us to | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | #topic Documentation | 20:07 |
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| asalkeld | I need to document the environ stuff | 20:07 |
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| stevebaker | A template writing guide is heat's missing manual | 20:07 |
| asalkeld | and resource-templaets | 20:07 |
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| stevebaker | but with HOT, that is a moving target | 20:08 |
| randallburt | asalkeld: I can do the latter if you like | 20:08 |
| jsloyer | i have an open a change request that has an example with some of the templates in it | 20:08 |
| jsloyer | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37302/ | 20:08 |
| tspatzier | so I wanted to get a HOT spec started and was wondering what the best way would be | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | why is HOT still a moving target? | 20:08 |
| jsloyer | I think it would be good to start documenting all the templates | 20:08 |
| randallburt | SpamapS: because its incremental and feature focused now vs. a spec-up-front as originally proposed | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | can we just pick a way, call it v1, and move forward? | 20:09 |
| asalkeld | I don't see that we my change hot as reason not to doc | 20:09 |
| stevebaker | I'll be working on blueprint generate-resource-docs in this cycle | 20:09 |
| tspatzier | SpamapS, the plan would be to let the HOT spec evolve with implementation. right now we have hello world, but plan to add more features step by step | 20:09 |
| jsloyer | stevebaker, i would love to help out with that | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | +1 for evolving it with implementation | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | as asalkeld says, thats not the best reason for not publishing the way it works now and a guide on how to use it as it works now. | 20:09 |
| asalkeld | we just need somewhere to put it | 20:10 |
| tspatzier | I created a BP for getting started with the HOT spec based on the current hello world impl. Happy to drive this | 20:10 |
| TravT | I think documentation should reflect reality. | 20:10 |
| radix | and make sure core reviewers are asking people to update the docs as people implement features | 20:10 |
| tspatzier | I think it would be best done in the github repo so we have governance and review, like we have with API docs | 20:10 |
| kebray | +1 to TravT documentation should evolve with real-time changes. | 20:10 |
| jsloyer | radix: i would even go further, whenever a new feature comes it needs to be doc'ed as well as any template | 20:10 |
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| SpamapS | radix: right, doc changes ideally would precede or accompany all changes to HOT. | 20:10 |
| stevebaker | yes, it should go in heat/doc/source, in a new book | 20:10 |
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| randallburt | SpamapS: not just HOT, but any feature moving forward, yes? | 20:11 |
| asalkeld | (hopefully not in xml docs) | 20:11 |
| radix | jsloyer: that's what I meant | 20:11 |
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| stevebaker | not xml, rst | 20:11 |
| asalkeld | phew | 20:11 |
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| radix | hehe | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | radix: yes please :) | 20:12 |
| topol | we do something very similar in keystone. its very helpful | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | rr | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | randallburt: yes please :) | 20:12 |
| topol | for new folks like me trying to learn what already exists | 20:12 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker, when I look at the current doc directory in github, will it be example enough to start the HOT spec? or do you recommend a specific piece that is in good shape? | 20:12 |
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| topol | (its not xml) | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | if someone wants to volunteer to create an rst a skeleton structure for a Template Writers Guide, raise your hand | 20:12 |
| jsloyer | i have | 20:12 |
| jsloyer | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37302/ | 20:13 |
| randallburt | I think I just saw kebray shed a tear | 20:13 |
| TravT | If the docs are in the repo, then the doc changes could be part of the review set | 20:13 |
| * tspatzier raises hand | 20:13 | |
| jsloyer | raises hand | 20:13 |
| tspatzier | btw, I opened this BP for it: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/hot-specification | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | sounds like we have docs moving forward nicely :) | 20:13 |
| stevebaker | tspatzier: we need to focus on our audience, template writers need to be guided in how to write templates. at best a HOT spec would be in the appendix | 20:14 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker, agreed. Will try to keep it similar to the cfn spec which is quite user friendly | 20:14 |
| tspatzier | I can update the BP to reflect this. | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | jsloyer: cool, I'll take a look at that. | 20:14 |
| topol | so jsloyer, your patch has a lot of files in it. Is one of them *the* v1 HOT spec??? | 20:15 |
| jsloyer | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37302/6/doc/source/templates/hot/hello_word.rst | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | jsloyer: when I get to blueprint generate-resource-docs I'll look at generating files into that structure | 20:15 |
| jsloyer | k | 20:15 |
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| jsloyer | stevebaker: let me know if you need any help, have some spare cycles | 20:16 |
| TravT | So, does anything need to be done with these pages: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/DSL https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/DSL2 | 20:16 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: now we're incubated, could you resurrect the api docs and merge them with the main openstack api docs? | 20:16 |
| zaneb | mmmmm, I thought I did that on the last docs sprint | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | i think it is still its own document in our source tree | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | we're integrated | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | not incubated :) | 20:17 |
| jsloyer | zaneb stevebaker http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/man/ | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | they had to tag their grizzly docs before we could merge ours | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | in......ed | 20:18 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: so I need to submit it to some other repo? | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | yes, some other repo | 20:18 |
| * stevebaker looks | 20:18 | |
| randallburt | TravT: I don't think so. those are more talking points/jump off for future features/HOT format stuff | 20:18 |
| zaneb | does anybody have a preference? | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | https://github.com/openstack/api-site | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | ? | 20:18 |
| zaneb | or I'll just pick one at random ;) | 20:18 |
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| stevebaker | thats the one https://github.com/openstack/api-site/tree/master/api-ref/src/wadls | 20:19 |
| TravT | randallburt: maybe at least update them to point them to the real docs when available? | 20:19 |
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| randallburt | TravT: maybe, but they aren't docs. those pages are early spec proposals. | 20:19 |
| zaneb | ok, can do. are there any tools for testing that? | 20:19 |
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| stevebaker | Am I right in that after H-3 we shouldn't be merging major features before H? | 20:19 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: mvn package ;) | 20:20 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: I believe that's how it works | 20:20 |
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| asalkeld | so one last cycle? | 20:20 |
| asalkeld | dam | 20:20 |
| zaneb | if that's a week worth of installing xml-y java-y stuff, forget about it | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | so this cycle will be quite busy, and in theory we'll be able to put more effort into docs after h-3 | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | after H-3 we should focus on docs, testing, bug fixing, and planning. | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, maybe make a heat template | 20:21 |
| therve | asalkeld, That means finishing ceilometer stuff? | 20:21 |
| therve | It's going to be tight | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | that installs all the docs | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | #topic h3 blueprint milestone and priority | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | therve, yea | 20:21 |
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| stevebaker | #action zaneb merge api docs with api-site repo | 20:21 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: oh man, now I have to get OpenStack running as well? ;p | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | haha | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-3 | 20:22 |
| asalkeld | (one way to keep the xml from you host) | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | 32 blueprints! | 20:22 |
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| stevebaker | we delivered 8 in h-2, and 8 in h-1 | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | I | 20:23 |
| zaneb | so we're on track? | 20:23 |
| randallburt | some of those aren't prioritized, so are they "officially" in h3? | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | well we just have to work 4 * as hard | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | I'd like to think that the havana cycle has been all about ramping up, and we have a chance on delivering a bunch of those, but 32 might be a bit optimistic ;) | 20:24 |
| asalkeld | some big ones there | 20:24 |
| therve | Some are in progress for a bit, but yeah | 20:24 |
| therve | 20 sounds more realistic | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | Any blueprint assigned to you, its up to you what milestone to set it to. So *please* take a look at your own and set some realistic milestones | 20:25 |
| therve | 4 are still unassigned so good targets to be pushed | 20:26 |
| asalkeld | yip | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | some of them are more umbrella blueprints that are ongoing, abstract-aws, open-api-dsl | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | I hope to start going on rolling-updates as of Monday. | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: cool | 20:27 |
| m4dcoder | SpamapS: need to chat with you on the rolling updates in #heat after meeting | 20:27 |
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| SpamapS | m4dcoder: of course | 20:28 |
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| stevebaker | anything else on h-3? | 20:29 |
| stevebaker | #topic Open discussion | 20:29 |
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| andrew_plunk2 | I have questions about: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36844/ | 20:29 |
| andrew_plunk2 | My implementation of the main feature of this blueprint (generating a template for a resource) allows for two use cases via a flag to the function. The first is that you want a very simple template generated, where the resource's properties schema is mapped to parameters and properties, but nested schemas are not resolved. The second resolves nested schemas resulting in more generated parameters. I wanted to open it up for | 20:29 |
| andrew_plunk2 | discussion because the function implements the requirement of the blueprint, while giving additional functionality. | 20:29 |
| andrew_plunk2 | It has been -1 for this additional functionality and I would like to hear more voices on the matter | 20:30 |
| zaneb | andrew_plunk2: maybe you should also provide some examples on how (+ why) it would be used | 20:31 |
| zaneb | it's not easy to reverse engineer from the code | 20:31 |
| kebray | would it suffice to split it into two separate commits? | 20:31 |
| kebray | two separate blueprints? | 20:31 |
| andrew_plunk2 | so the basic gain would be being able to see more parameters rather than less | 20:32 |
| randallburt | +1 for two changes | 20:32 |
| asalkeld | I don't see a problem with that patch | 20:32 |
| zaneb | +1 for two patches | 20:32 |
| stevebaker | As of now, horizon has a heat UI, with a freakin awesome animated topology diagram. | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | I pity the fool who does not make this a part of their heat workflow! | 20:33 |
| zaneb | the second one still gets my -1 for adding unnecessary complexity | 20:33 |
| andrew_plunk2 | thanks everyone | 20:33 |
| timductive | :) | 20:33 |
| kebray | then splitting commits doesn't solve andrew_plounk's original question though.. which, is more input on the second part of the change. | 20:34 |
| zaneb | andrew_plunk2: IMO generating the template isn't about _seeing_ stuff. it's about _doing_ stuff with it | 20:34 |
| randallburt | zaneb: is that like saying we might as well not submit it? Still unclear on the process there | 20:34 |
| radix | there has been discussion of implementing some heat resources that use Otter for auto scaling. this would allow for more incremental implementation of the new autoscaling design. does that sound reasonable? I can write an email if that's not clear | 20:34 |
| zaneb | -1 is not a ban-hammer | 20:34 |
| zaneb | -2 is the ban-hammer :) | 20:34 |
| randallburt | zaneb: ah, cool. thanks | 20:34 |
| * topol the dreaded red x | 20:34 | |
| stevebaker | I tend to launch stacks on the command line then watch them in horizon, its very insightful | 20:35 |
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| asalkeld | andrew_plunk2, I think we just need a use case | 20:35 |
| randallburt | radix: does that makes sense as a "general" or openstack resource or as something say under resources/rackspace? | 20:35 |
| asalkeld | (how are we going to benefit from the feature) | 20:36 |
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| jasond | some example outputs (one for each proposal) would help me understand the controversy | 20:36 |
| radix | randallburt: I think at first it makes sense to call it Rackspace-specific, but it should be trivial to generalize them once we have a separate autoscaling service | 20:36 |
| randallburt | radix: k | 20:37 |
| andrew_plunk2 | asalkeld: A big point of this blueprint was to give an end user a starting off point of a template for a resource. That user might want the bare minimum or every possible functionality of the resource filled in | 20:37 |
| radix | ie the implementations of the resources should stay the same | 20:37 |
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| andrew_plunk2 | My implementation would allow for either | 20:37 |
| zaneb | andrew_plunk2: but every possible functionality of the resource is filled in in both cases | 20:38 |
| asalkeld | so yea, I get the first part (and like it) | 20:38 |
| zaneb | the difference is that one will work, and the other will not | 20:38 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, I think you two need to talk | 20:38 |
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| asalkeld | (off line) | 20:38 |
| jsloyer | I wanted to bring up two blueprints, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/software-configuration-provider, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/signaling-coordination | 20:39 |
| bgorski | I raised a blueprint this week about Multi region support for Heat (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/multi-region-support). If you can review it and give me some feedback it would be great. | 20:39 |
| jsloyer | basically its an addition to HOT to allow installation and configuration of software | 20:39 |
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| asalkeld | jsloyer, the signalling will need some kind of api | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS most likely has some opinions here | 20:41 |
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| asalkeld | I was hoping moniker would move along faster | 20:41 |
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| jsloyer | asalkeld: yeah i was on the fence whether it should be an api or something that gets called from the client | 20:41 |
| jsloyer | in more of a peer to peer | 20:41 |
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| tspatzier | asalkeld, we discussed something related this week in #heat | 20:41 |
| * SpamapS reads | 20:41 | |
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| asalkeld | to me a moniker message q would be nice for this | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | but that is not quite ready | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | jsloyer: I love the de-coupling of "this is a configuration for X" and "this is a server that has configuration for X" | 20:42 |
| tspatzier | asalkeld, I guess we will create a wiki with use case some implementation considerations and then find out what is there as potential starting point. | 20:42 |
| radix | moniker? | 20:42 |
| jsloyer | spamaps: trying to keep things simple here with a nice clean format to accomplish some more complicated coordination tasks | 20:43 |
| tspatzier | +1 on decoupling software from infrastructure | 20:43 |
| SpamapS | jsloyer: I will put some time into a true evaluation. I've wanted this in Heat for a long time now. :) | 20:43 |
| asalkeld | sorry marconi | 20:43 |
| asalkeld | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi | 20:43 |
| randallburt | moniker was dns I thought | 20:43 |
| radix | hehe OK | 20:43 |
| SpamapS | jsloyer: and the other bit, sharing data between software/instances, I also am very interested in making that smooth. | 20:43 |
| kebray | radix Moniker is now Designate… it's DNS for Openstack. | 20:43 |
| radix | right. (and now designate) | 20:44 |
| jsloyer | i am definetly open to other ideas as well here just wanted to get it on the books | 20:44 |
| asalkeld | (my bad too many M* names) | 20:44 |
| radix | kebray: yeah that was a "do you really mean moniker" :) | 20:44 |
| randallburt | too many bad M* names | 20:45 |
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| tspatzier | so good that this project is not called Meat, isn't it? | 20:45 |
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| jsloyer | so we can continue this over #heat or through the email distro, just wanted to get the ball rolling | 20:45 |
| SpamapS | hahaha | 20:45 |
| SpamapS | Meat is Heat's messaging library | 20:45 |
| asalkeld | sure | 20:45 |
| asalkeld | lol | 20:45 |
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| radix | hehe | 20:46 |
| zaneb | tspatzier: is that some sort of acronym? ;) | 20:46 |
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| tspatzier | zaneb, no, then I would write MEAT :-) | 20:46 |
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| * topol zaneb beat me to the acronym joke | 20:46 | |
| * topol need to type faster | 20:47 | |
| TravT | jsloyer: I definitely will stay plugged in on those blueprints. | 20:47 |
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| asalkeld | yeah, I think the communication mechanism is important | 20:48 |
| stevebaker | should we wind up the meeting? | 20:48 |
| SpamapS | aye | 20:48 |
| asalkeld | yip | 20:48 |
| stevebaker | thanks all, we can continue in #heat | 20:48 |
| stevebaker | #endmeeting | 20:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 17 20:49:01 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-07-17-20.00.html | 20:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-07-17-20.00.txt | 20:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-07-17-20.00.log.html | 20:49 |
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| radix | thanks guys | 20:50 |
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| jd__ | #startmeeting ceilometer | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 17 21:00:18 2013 UTC. The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 21:00 |
| eglynn | o/ | 21:00 |
| jd__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 21:00 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 21:01 |
| terriyu | o/ | 21:01 |
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| gordc | o/ | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:01 |
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| nealph | o/ | 21:01 |
| jd__ | #topic action from previous meeting: nealph to track tempest QA efforts | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action from previous meeting: nealph to track tempest QA efforts (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:02 | |
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| * jd__ looks at nealph | 21:02 | |
| nealph | So, I've created a new tempest bp at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/basic-tempest-integration-for-ceilometer | 21:02 |
| DanD_ | o/ | 21:02 |
| nealph | I think it makes sense for lilu to make it a dependancy in his cm blueprint as well | 21:03 |
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| eglynn | is this matcher mechanism used by the Heat Tempest tests also I wonder? | 21:03 |
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| asalkeld | not sure | 21:03 |
| nealph | Perhaps...still looking at it. I'll follow the general approach taken by other tempest bp's including heat | 21:03 |
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| eglynn | if so, there would be some experience to leverage | 21:04 |
| eglynn | cool | 21:04 |
| nealph | that'd be great. | 21:04 |
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| nealph | the question is timeline...do we have to have this for h2/h3? | 21:04 |
| asalkeld | ask stevebaker (he did all of the Heat tempest work) | 21:04 |
| eglynn | not for h2 certainly | 21:04 |
| eglynn | h3 more reasonable | 21:04 |
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| * nealph sighs in relief | 21:05 | |
| jd__ | nealph: only if someone is committing to it | 21:05 |
| nealph | okay, will finish looking into it asap and try to scope it. | 21:05 |
| jd__ | nealph: do we need to #action this again? | 21:05 |
| woodspa | #openstack-tempest | 21:06 |
| nealph | yep. | 21:06 |
| jd__ | #action nealph to finish looking into tempest QA efforts | 21:06 |
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| nealph | perfect...you typed faster than I did. | 21:06 |
| nealph | :d | 21:06 |
| dhellmann | nealph, is the "read the full specification" link on that bp right? | 21:06 |
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| nealph | which one would that be? | 21:07 |
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| nealph | the tempest spec? no. | 21:08 |
| dhellmann | yes, that's the one I meant | 21:08 |
| jd__ | you may want to edit that indeed :) | 21:08 |
| nealph | will do...currently points to the ceilometer testing docs. | 21:09 |
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| jd__ | #topic Add logging to our IRC channel? | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add logging to our IRC channel? (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:09 | |
| jd__ | #vote yes | 21:09 |
| eglynn | #vote yes | 21:10 |
| dhellmann | the infra team is going to be offering to turn on logging for channels that want it (if jeblair hasn't already sent that email and I just missed it) | 21:10 |
| asalkeld | why? | 21:10 |
| dhellmann | if we'd like to have it logged, I can take care of it | 21:10 |
| asalkeld | #vote no | 21:10 |
| jeblair | (i don't think it's been sent) | 21:10 |
| * eglynn logs locally when online, great to have backup logs though for out-of-TZ traffic | 21:10 | |
| gordc | i'm indifferent | 21:11 |
| asalkeld | how long do they get kept | 21:11 |
| eglynn | would logging change the way people interact? | 21:11 |
| eglynn | i.e. make folks more guarded? | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | asalkeld: afaik, indefinitely | 21:11 |
| eglynn | asalkeld: is that the objection? ^^^ | 21:11 |
| gordc | eglynn, no spontaneous tirades? | 21:11 |
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| asalkeld | eglynn, I think that is an issue | 21:12 |
| eglynn | gordc: LOL | 21:12 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: I hope not, but that's why I suggested infra ask instead of just doing it | 21:12 |
| eglynn | asalkeld: yeah, you could have a point | 21:12 |
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| nealph | I think there's a lot of good info lost though... | 21:12 |
| dhellmann | maybe this is something to think about? | 21:12 |
| asalkeld | well could try it | 21:12 |
| asalkeld | can we turn it on/off? | 21:12 |
| dhellmann | we have time; maybe vote next week? | 21:12 |
| gordc | yeah, a vote for is that i don't think anyone is on the west coast of north america | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | asalkeld: it's a setting in the config file for the bot, and goes through change review | 21:13 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: +1 for more thought | 21:13 |
| gordc | often see random questions popping up late | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | so we can turn it off, but not quickly or easily | 21:13 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: they should implement a #offtherecord command :) | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | jd__: patches welcome? | 21:13 |
| jd__ | hehe | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | that's a good idea | 21:13 |
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| jd__ | let's settle on voting next week then? | 21:14 |
| asalkeld | well one good thing is the ablity to see over time what questions get asked | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | well, maybe not -- you can always move the tirade to another room :-) | 21:14 |
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| asalkeld | (i.e. what needs documenting) | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | asalkeld: yeah, I think that's going to prove to be more important for us over time | 21:14 |
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| asalkeld | (but still a little weird) | 21:15 |
| asalkeld | been recorded | 21:15 |
| eglynn | 1984-ish? | 21:15 |
| jd__ | asalkeld: a lot of people already log the channel, me included | 21:15 |
| dhellmann | I tend to assume text chats are recorded anyway, but maybe that's just me | 21:15 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: me too | 21:16 |
| asalkeld | well I guess everything is recorded by government | 21:16 |
| eglynn | NSA is watching everything anyway ;) | 21:16 |
| jd__ | :-) | 21:16 |
| jd__ | NSA is the cloud. | 21:16 |
| thomasem | D= | 21:16 |
| asalkeld | nsa use openstack at least;) | 21:16 |
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| asalkeld | but are they metering there usage? | 21:17 |
| * jd__ waits for an agent to pop in any minute now | 21:17 | |
| eglynn | there's probably been someone in deep cover here all along ;) | 21:18 |
| jd__ | so do we already say yes to dhellmann or do you want vote next week? | 21:18 |
| asalkeld | btw: huge thanks to all for helping with the alarm stuff | 21:18 |
| asalkeld | it's almost all working end to end | 21:18 |
| eglynn | yay! | 21:18 |
| dhellmann | nice :-) | 21:18 |
| jd__ | \o/ | 21:18 |
| jd__ | I guess the beauty is doing that for h2 so we've time to polish | 21:19 |
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| asalkeld | I have to wait for h3 to get the heat side in | 21:19 |
| jd__ | #topic Review Havana-2 milestone | 21:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Havana-2 milestone (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:19 | |
| jd__ | switching topic since we're disrgressing | 21:19 |
| eglynn | when was milestone-proposed cut? | 21:19 |
| dhellmann | earlier today | 21:19 |
| jd__ | (dhellmann: I let the log stuff on the agenda for next week) | 21:19 |
| dhellmann | your mailbox didn't overflow like mine? | 21:19 |
| jd__ | it did | 21:20 |
| dhellmann | jd__: ok | 21:20 |
| * eglynn jumped the gun so on assigning https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1202143 to h2 | 21:20 | |
| jd__ | the branch's cut and tomorrow Ceilometer shall be released | 21:20 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1202143 in ceilometer "sample POST fails on pipeline publish if user & project IDs not explicitly set" [Critical,Fix committed] | 21:20 |
| jd__ | eglynn: did you see the backlog on -dev about that bug with ttx? | 21:20 |
| eglynn | are backports still being accepted> | 21:20 |
| eglynn | ? | 21:20 |
| * eglynn reads backs ... | 21:20 | |
| jd__ | eglynn: yes that was our point with ttx, you'll need to backport this one to the milestone-proposed branch | 21:20 |
| jd__ | eglynn: but you sure can | 21:21 |
| eglynn | jd__: k, I'll do straight after meeting | 21:21 |
| jd__ | eglynn: thumps up | 21:21 |
| eglynn | cool | 21:21 |
| jd__ | so h2's done congrats everyone | 21:21 |
| jd__ | we didn't push so many stuff to h3 | 21:21 |
| jd__ | so h3 is a lot of low priority bp mainly | 21:22 |
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| asalkeld | heaps done | 21:22 |
| jd__ | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:22 |
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| asalkeld | the group-by one | 21:22 |
| jd__ | asalkeld: ? | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/api-group-by | 21:23 |
| asalkeld | don't worry j | 21:23 |
| asalkeld | that one has been pushed back for a while | 21:24 |
| jd__ | terriyu will be working on it starting now | 21:24 |
| terriyu | I'm supposed to be working on that blueprint ... | 21:24 |
| asalkeld | cool | 21:24 |
| jd__ | so feel free to exchange with her if you feel so :) I'm sure she'll be happy to get help | 21:25 |
| terriyu | yes, I have no idea what I'm doing, so I'm always interested in talking | 21:26 |
| asalkeld | btw: we should have someone from new zealand joining the dev team soon (not from red hat) | 21:26 |
| jd__ | asalkeld: great | 21:26 |
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| eglynn | asalkeld: moving the project centre of gravity down-under :) | 21:27 |
| jd__ | #topic Release python-ceilometerclient? | 21:27 |
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| eglynn | need to wait for asalkeld sample-create patch to land | 21:27 |
| jd__ | Needed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36905/ to uncap keystoneclient dep | 21:27 |
| eglynn | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37410/ | 21:27 |
| asalkeld | that would be nice | 21:27 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: who? | 21:27 |
| asalkeld | Aurynn Shaw | 21:28 |
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| asalkeld | (catalyst) | 21:28 |
| jd__ | I'll have a few comments on that one eglynn | 21:29 |
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| jd__ | as soon as it lands, who's up for releasing? | 21:29 |
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| eglynn | I can do it | 21:30 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: ha! I know her | 21:30 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker, cool | 21:30 |
| eglynn | (the client relase that is ...) | 21:30 |
| jd__ | eglynn: thanks (lo) | 21:30 |
| jd__ | *lol | 21:30 |
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| * nealph is rethinking logging ^^^^ | 21:31 | |
| jd__ | #action eglynn release python-ceilometerclient as soon as https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37410/ gets in and unblock https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36905/ | 21:31 |
| jd__ | #topic Open discussion | 21:31 |
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| gordc | if anyone has time, there's two patches: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/31969 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36213/ | 21:33 |
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| gordc | first patch is just the specs... | 21:33 |
| jd__ | nah, time to sleep here :) | 21:33 |
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| jd__ | gordc: so they're ready? | 21:33 |
| gordc | i should warn that the code is size is... large. | 21:34 |
| jd__ | :( | 21:34 |
| gordc | jd__, i think its there, probably will change based on feedback. | 21:34 |
| eglynn | not targeted at h2 surely? | 21:34 |
| gordc | i thought we cut it today. | 21:35 |
| jd__ | no way for h2 | 21:35 |
| jd__ | h2 is tomorrow morning | 21:36 |
| eglynn | gordc: well miletsone-proposed is cut hope to still get https://review.openstack.org/37574 in on that | 21:36 |
| gordc | but yeah, take your time. just thought i'd bring it up. the first patch is just specs so don't let the 2000 lines throw you...its mostly just notes. | 21:36 |
| gordc | eglynn, yeah, this would be too big for h2... i don't have enough money to pay you guys to get it in. | 21:37 |
| eglynn | gordc: cool :) | 21:37 |
| gordc | but if you want to do it out of pure kindness... don't let me stop you guys. | 21:37 |
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| jd__ | (ending the meeting in a minute) | 21:39 |
| jd__ | #endmeeting | 21:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:40 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 17 21:40:23 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-07-17-21.00.html | 21:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-07-17-21.00.txt | 21:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-07-17-21.00.log.html | 21:40 |
| jd__ | see you guys! | 21:40 |
| dhellmann | later! | 21:40 |
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| reed | anybody here for the community meeting? | 23:00 |
| fifieldt | hi reed! | 23:00 |
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| reed | #startmeeting openstack-community | 23:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 17 23:01:38 2013 UTC. The chair is reed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-community)" | 23:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_community' | 23:01 |
| reed | alright, let's review the agenda | 23:01 |
| reed | #topic actions from last meeting | 23:02 |
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| fifieldt | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_community/2013/openstack_community.2013-07-10-23.06.html | 23:03 |
| reed | fifieldt, you had to dicuss translation of ask at I18N meeting: | 23:03 |
| fifieldt | indeed | 23:03 |
| fifieldt | I did | 23:03 |
| fifieldt | and it was successful | 23:03 |
| fifieldt | those who are present are taking the task to their communities | 23:03 |
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| fifieldt | I think we should followup soon, though | 23:04 |
| fifieldt | to see how their discussions went | 23:04 |
| fifieldt | specifically in china, france, japan, korea | 23:04 |
| fifieldt | and possibly spanish language community | 23:04 |
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| reed | good and from my action item, I asked Evgeny and he says there is no downtime to put new translations live | 23:04 |
| fifieldt | brilliant :) | 23:04 |
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| reed | I have also added a link to the AskModerators wiki page on Ask.openstack.org | 23:05 |
| fifieldt | great :) | 23:05 |
| reed | it's on the right sidebar on the home page and on the answers | 23:05 |
| reed | not ideal still... | 23:05 |
| reed | but at least it's a bit better | 23:05 |
| fifieldt | iterate to success | 23:05 |
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| reed | yeah, I still think we need more moderators | 23:06 |
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| fifieldt | yes, that would be good | 23:06 |
| reed | next topics? | 23:06 |
| fifieldt | well, one action item I had was to email the list about these pre/post summit events | 23:06 |
| fifieldt | and I guess that leads into the next discussion | 23:07 |
| fifieldt | ? | 23:07 |
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| reed | right | 23:09 |
| fifieldt | need we discuss, or are we waiting for JB to chime in as per what Lauren said? | 23:09 |
| reed | #topic satellite events pre/post summit | 23:09 |
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| fifieldt | so, there was a discussion on the list | 23:11 |
| fifieldt | several countries are interested in events | 23:11 |
| fifieldt | but there remains to be seen what the form of any events will be | 23:11 |
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| reed | right, I think now it's a matter of providing them some suggestions on people to contact and let them take the lead to see what can happen | 23:12 |
| fifieldt | yes, that's a good idea | 23:12 |
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| reed | cool | 23:12 |
| reed | we can move to the next topic then :) | 23:13 |
| fifieldt | coolo | 23:13 |
| reed | #topic evaluate pending issues https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community | 23:13 |
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| reed | i've been working with Evgeny, bitergia and zagile on those | 23:13 |
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| fifieldt | cheers | 23:13 |
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| reed | all the bugs are up to date with comments and status | 23:14 |
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| fifieldt | good | 23:14 |
| reed | unless there is something outstanding there, I'd move to the next step | 23:14 |
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| fifieldt | sure | 23:14 |
| reed | s/step/topic | 23:14 |
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| reed | #topic how to help developers consuming API | 23:15 |
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| reed | was there any progress on this? | 23:15 |
| fifieldt | I think we're going to work on the Getting Started page together at OSCON | 23:15 |
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| fifieldt | there's also a scoping discussion on the docs list | 23:15 |
| reed | makes sense | 23:16 |
| fifieldt | I also had a quick look for a Go SDK | 23:16 |
| fifieldt | and was disappointed with the results | 23:16 |
| fifieldt | but overall progress is slow | 23:16 |
| fifieldt | there was talk of getting a designer in for docs.openstack.org | 23:16 |
| fifieldt | to make the split between ops and dev better | 23:16 |
| fifieldt | so: "slow progress" | 23:16 |
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| reed | not a problem, as long as there is progress :) | 23:17 |
| fifieldt | aye | 23:18 |
| reed | next topic? | 23:18 |
| fifieldt | Everett is also coming to OSCON for 1 day | 23:18 |
| fifieldt | so might try to meet then | 23:18 |
| fifieldt | and work at things | 23:18 |
| reed | oh, that's great, we may schedule some time with him then | 23:18 |
| fifieldt | yes, was planning to call on arrival | 23:18 |
| fifieldt | feel free to do that in advance :) | 23:19 |
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| reed | i'll share my OSCON calendar with you so you can book time with him | 23:19 |
| fifieldt | cheers | 23:19 |
| reed | #topic status report on other projects | 23:19 |
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| reed | #info Ask in Chinese is running on http://ask.openstack.org:9000/ | 23:20 |
| reed | #info the askbot team is working on the theme to improve the language switching tab and the GUI in general | 23:20 |
| reed | #info we need more testing although we have had some already, and the UI needs more translations (currently around 60% done according to transifex) | 23:21 |
| fifieldt | aye | 23:21 |
| reed | #link https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/askbot/ | 23:22 |
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| reed | that's pretty much it for Askbot in Chinese... I think we're getting ready for a wider deployment, maybe already after OSCON | 23:22 |
| fifieldt | sounds good | 23:22 |
| reed | I think we can launch and keep iterating, improving search results and translations as we go | 23:23 |
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| fifieldt | agreed | 23:23 |
| reed | #info project User Group Portal: contract is under legal review, ETA end of the week | 23:24 |
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| fifieldt | great! | 23:24 |
| sarob | awesome | 23:24 |
| reed | hopefully we'll start development after OSCON realistically | 23:24 |
| reed | s/hopefully// | 23:24 |
| reed | #info other project: migration of General mailing list off of Launchpad is slowly proceeding, hit a roadblock, found another volunteer to help, hopefully will pick up more speed | 23:25 |
| fifieldt | great news :D | 23:26 |
| reed | I sent an email to the list with a brief update | 23:26 |
| sarob | right | 23:27 |
| reed | anything else? | 23:27 |
| sarob | im good, thanks for the updates | 23:29 |
| * fifieldt scratches head | 23:29 | |
| reed | #topic various | 23:29 |
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| fifieldt | a lot of 3rd birthday celebrations tonight :) | 23:29 |
| fifieldt | hope y'all can get to one | 23:29 |
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| reed | I'll throw it out there: I received a couple more requests this past week to advertise projects like the webdav frontend to swift | 23:30 |
| fifieldt | eg caimito? | 23:30 |
| reed | and I remembered the project http://stackmeat.org | 23:30 |
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| fifieldt | ah, that ! | 23:30 |
| reed | fifieldt, right, and another project too... the Java swing UI alternative to horizon | 23:30 |
| reed | pandora I think | 23:30 |
| fifieldt | that's the one | 23:31 |
| fifieldt | by Peter in HK | 23:31 |
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| sarob | so advertise? | 23:31 |
| reed | right | 23:31 |
| sarob | through user groups? | 23:31 |
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| fifieldt | advertise stackmeat? | 23:31 |
| fifieldt | or advertise random projects? | 23:31 |
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| reed | promote projects that use openstack or build on top of it, improve | 23:32 |
| reed | all the stuff that is on stackforge for example | 23:32 |
| reed | there are no easy places for them | 23:33 |
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| fifieldt | I like the idea of "X-on-OpenStack" as a concept we should give more attention to | 23:33 |
| sarob | we have discussed about something like an appstore | 23:33 |
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| fifieldt | though I worry that the number of Xs will increase by quite a lot | 23:33 |
| fifieldt | so maybe it's a gradual move from promoting "here's an exciting X" to "here's a place where you can find all the Xs" | 23:34 |
| sarob | quality control? | 23:34 |
| fifieldt | the former encourages people to build Xs in these 'early days', the latter find ones they can use | 23:34 |
| reed | fifieldt, that's why I mentioned stackmeat: it could be the place where all the X can go | 23:34 |
| fifieldt | I agree sarob, quality is important | 23:34 |
| fifieldt | have a chat to everett about hit vetting process for SDKs | 23:35 |
| reed | sarob, the concept of 'store' needs quality control while the stackmeat approach is more like 'here is a directory, sort it out yourself' | 23:35 |
| sarob | steakmeat versus stackmeat | 23:35 |
| * sarob me pun | 23:35 | |
| fifieldt | :D | 23:35 |
| fifieldt | win | 23:35 |
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| * reed doesn't get the pun :( | 23:36 | |
| sarob | we can let stackmeat grow, maybe link through, while discussing something like an appstore | 23:36 |
| sarob | id want something like the TC reviewing | 23:37 |
| reed | I wanted to mention it only to start the conversation... i'll pull Marton in it next week... or the week after, better to see what he thinks | 23:37 |
| sarob | rather than apple ;) | 23:37 |
| fifieldt | :D | 23:37 |
| fifieldt | conversation start: success, I'd say :) | 23:37 |
| reed | despite who does the review, it's a *lot* of work | 23:37 |
| sarob | yup, maybe the next steps for the refstack fits tests | 23:38 |
| sarob | there would need to be some kind of automation | 23:39 |
| reed | sarob, are you referring to the SDKs? | 23:39 |
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| sarob | no, test to run through the api and code and return a score | 23:40 |
| reed | on a directory like stackmeat there could be things like chef cookbooks, tools like crowbar... how would refstack test those? | 23:40 |
| * fifieldt doesn't understand either | 23:40 | |
| sarob | if there are 50 apps that can run on top of openstack, how to tell which is quality? | 23:41 |
| fifieldt | does it meet its stated purpose well, has it been updated recently, does it install smoothly ... | 23:42 |
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| reed | android approach: they all suck, test them all until you find the one that sucks less :) | 23:42 |
| sarob | automation to validate responses to API could be a way | 23:42 |
| fifieldt | I don't see how that works ... | 23:42 |
| sarob | i call topic rathole | 23:43 |
| reed | we should probably close the meeting and keep the discussion on #rathole :) | 23:43 |
| fifieldt | :D | 23:43 |
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| sarob | could we add a stackmeat link below programs? | 23:43 |
| * fifieldt should probably go and find out if he's actually getting to USA today | 23:43 | |
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| fifieldt | yeah - there's already "other projects" isn't there? | 23:44 |
| reed | sarob, on the wiki page you mean? | 23:44 |
| sarob | if we decide stackmeat is the way to go for other openstack stuff | 23:44 |
| sarob | yup | 23:44 |
| fifieldt | also, find out who runs stackmeat? | 23:44 |
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| fifieldt | and whether it's still maintained/supported? | 23:44 |
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| sarob | looks like mrmartin | 23:44 |
| reed | yes, if we put stackmeat under the project's arms we may need to find also better places to promote it | 23:44 |
| fifieldt | kk | 23:44 |
| sarob | martin kiss | 23:45 |
| fifieldt | too easy then | 23:45 |
| sarob | ack | 23:45 |
| sarob | marton kiss | 23:45 |
| reed | ok, thanks everybody for the discussion | 23:45 |
| reed | #endmeeting | 23:45 |
| fifieldt | cheers reed, sarob | 23:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 17 23:45:42 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_community/2013/openstack_community.2013-07-17-23.01.html | 23:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_community/2013/openstack_community.2013-07-17-23.01.txt | 23:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_community/2013/openstack_community.2013-07-17-23.01.log.html | 23:45 |
| sarob | cheers | 23:45 |
| fifieldt | ok - I gotta go see what is going on with my flight - might be back online later :) | 23:45 |
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