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| markmc | hey hey | 14:00 |
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| markmc | who's around? | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | yo yo | 14:00 |
| zyluo | o/ | 14:00 |
| lbragstad | hey | 14:00 |
| markmc | #startmeeting oslo | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jul 19 14:00:41 2013 UTC. The chair is markmc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 14:00 |
| * whenry is on | 14:00 | |
| markmc | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/HavanaOsloMessaging | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | \o/ | 14:00 |
| markmc | doug sent his apologies | 14:01 |
| markmc | russellb, ? | 14:01 |
| markmc | who else? | 14:01 |
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| flaper87 | whenry: | 14:01 |
| whenry | yep | 14:01 |
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| markmc | simo, ? | 14:02 |
| markmc | let's get going | 14:02 |
| whenry | Tross, you here? | 14:02 |
| markmc | #topic oslo.messaging update | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo.messaging update (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:02 | |
| whenry | oops tedross you here too? | 14:02 |
| markmc | I dumped a bunch of updates into the etherpad there | 14:02 |
| markmc | since the last meeting ... | 14:02 |
| tedross | whenry: I'm here | 14:02 |
| markmc | we've got an oslo.messaging repo rather than a fork of oslo-incubator | 14:02 |
| markmc | API docs published | 14:02 |
| markmc | good test coverage | 14:02 |
| markmc | I think the API design is solid at this point | 14:03 |
| markmc | pity it doesn't actually do anything yet :) | 14:03 |
| whenry | :) | 14:03 |
| * markmc started hacking on the kombu driver yesterday | 14:03 | |
| markmc | my plan is to pull the kombu/amqp code into oslo.messaging with the minimum amount of modifications | 14:03 |
| * whenry started looking at API with respect to qpid/proton | 14:03 | |
| markmc | and just get it working | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | markmc: I'm going down that road with qpid's | 14:04 |
| markmc | then later refactor as needed | 14:04 |
| simo | maI'm here | 14:04 |
| markmc | flaper87, cool | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | I had to take care of other things in the las few weeks but I got back to it today | 14:04 |
| markmc | whenry, cool | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | and it's looking definitely better | 14:04 |
| whenry | fyi I think there is a impl_qpid and an impl_proton. | 14:04 |
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| whenry | impl_proton is just impl_qpid without the assumption of a qpidd | 14:05 |
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| markmc | whenry, how about we talk about proton support as a separate topic? | 14:05 |
| whenry | impl_proton is pure AMQP 1.0 based on the qpid/proton | 14:05 |
| markmc | whenry, want to dig into it, but the first task of oslo.messaging is just parity with the existing code | 14:05 |
| whenry | markmc, yep | 14:05 |
| whenry | +1 | 14:05 |
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| whenry | I will support flaper87 on that | 14:06 |
| markmc | has anyone any hope at this point we can get e.g. nova switched over to oslo.messaging for havana? | 14:06 |
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| markmc | I'm still not ruling it out | 14:06 |
| markmc | but maybe I'm being a bit crazy | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | markmc: I think we can make it | 14:06 |
| markmc | nice, I like it :) | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | I'm planning to work on this qpid stuff next week 'til I finish it | 14:06 |
| whenry | +1 | 14:07 |
| markmc | ok, great | 14:07 |
| markmc | well ... at some point coming up to havana-3, there'll be a cut off point | 14:07 |
| whenry | most of my questions have been either answered by the docs or will be figured out with flaper87 | 14:07 |
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| markmc | i.e. unless nova is using it at this point, we delay to icehouse | 14:07 |
| markmc | because this will really need a settling in period | 14:07 |
| markmc | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Havana_Release_Schedule | 14:07 |
| tedross | markmc: is there a possibility for tech-preview in Havana? | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | Agreed | 14:08 |
| whenry | i.e. all the namespace stuff makes total sense and I don't see any issues | 14:08 |
| markmc | tedross, we can't do "tech preview of Nova using oslo.messaging" | 14:08 |
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| markmc | tedross, we can certainly do "tech preview of oslo.messaging but nothing in Havana is using it" | 14:08 |
| markmc | tedross, i.e. Nova using it is all-or-nothing | 14:09 |
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| markmc | we can't even do something like "let's use oslo.messaging for nova-api talking to nova-scheduler and everything else uses the existing rpc stuff" | 14:09 |
| whenry | ack | 14:09 |
| tedross | so a tech-preview of proton in Havana would have to be under Nova | 14:09 |
| markmc | that would be cool for testing interop, but I can't see how we'd do it | 14:09 |
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| flaper87 | Nova's migration means we migrate the oslo-notification as well, right? | 14:09 |
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| flaper87 | erm, notifier* | 14:09 |
| markmc | tedross, we're talking about proton separately in a few minutes :) | 14:09 |
| tedross | np | 14:10 |
| markmc | flaper87, yep | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | markmc: cool | 14:10 |
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| whenry | I want to add collapsing the # exchanges in the conversation on impl_qpid too | 14:10 |
| whenry | there are two reasons for it. let me know when we can discuss that | 14:10 |
| markmc | ok, I'm gonna say we'll have a meeting August 16th | 14:10 |
| markmc | and that'll be the go/no-go point | 14:11 |
| whenry | ack | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | markmc: sounds good | 14:11 |
| markmc | #info go/no-go on oslo.messaging in Havana on August 16th | 14:11 |
| markmc | whenry, so, collapsing # of exchanges | 14:11 |
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| markmc | first thing is we need interoperability | 14:11 |
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| whenry | collapsing the # of exchanges != oslo messaging exchanges | 14:12 |
| whenry | it meands qpidd exchange artifacts | 14:12 |
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| whenry | interoperability? | 14:12 |
| markmc | for upgrades, we do need to allow e.g. havana nova-compute talk to grizzly nova-scheduler | 14:12 |
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| whenry | ah | 14:12 |
| markmc | so, even e.g. renaming exchanges or topics would need to be opt-in | 14:13 |
| markmc | and a deprecation period of the old setup | 14:13 |
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| whenry | ok so we can figure out how that would work | 14:13 |
| markmc | so, yeah - we need interop | 14:13 |
| markmc | and secondly, the priority here is getting parity working | 14:13 |
| whenry | i.e. would updating the nova rpc version mean interop? | 14:13 |
| markmc | so I don't really see this as a good time for doing any cleanups | 14:13 |
| whenry | i.e. the new nova/rpc version would use the same addressing as the oslo.messaging versions | 14:14 |
| markmc | whenry, no, we actually need to be able to talk the old version | 14:14 |
| markmc | we can add a new version | 14:14 |
| markmc | but can't lose support for the old version | 14:14 |
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| markmc | so, even fixing something like this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo/+bug/1173552 | 14:14 |
| whenry | ok. so two versions ... because really there are two issues with the old way: | 14:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1173552 in oslo "rpc-api-review: topic names can conflict across exchanges" [High,Triaged] | 14:14 |
| markmc | i.e. the fanout exchanges are called $topic_fanout_... | 14:15 |
| markmc | which means you can't just change the control_exchange config | 14:15 |
| markmc | to have two nova's on the same broker without conflicting | 14:15 |
| whenry | 1. there are still some (not as many) leaked exchanges due to qpidd not supporting auto-delete on exchanges (which I'm not sure is in the spec anyway) | 14:15 |
| whenry | 2. Using federation. | 14:15 |
| markmc | ok | 14:16 |
| markmc | but again - whatever issues there are with the current implementation | 14:16 |
| markmc | oslo.messaging will need to have those issues two | 14:16 |
| markmc | interop and parity first priority | 14:16 |
| whenry | ok. | 14:16 |
| markmc | cleanups would really be for icehouse IMHO | 14:16 |
| markmc | ok, I think we've beaten this to death | 14:16 |
| markmc | anything else on oslo.messaging? | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | markmc: what about configuration parameters? For example, we have qpid_sasl_mechanisms in oslo.rpc | 14:17 |
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| markmc | (apart from secure messaging, proton, etc. - separate topics) | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | and I removed the qpid_ part | 14:17 |
| markmc | flaper87, yes, we need to continue supporting them | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | since those are tight to the url | 14:17 |
| markmc | existing config must stay working | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | ok | 14:17 |
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| flaper87 | so, support for existing oslo configs and new configs based on urls | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | then we can deprecate the ones based on oslo.config in future versions | 14:18 |
| markmc | yeah | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | cool | 14:18 |
| markmc | config options in the URL would take priority | 14:18 |
| markmc | so, even control_exchange versus rabbit:///$exchange | 14:19 |
| markmc | if you set the exchange in the URL, that takes precedence over control_exchange | 14:19 |
| markmc | ok, moving on | 14:19 |
| markmc | #topic secure messaging | 14:19 |
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| markmc | simo, hey hey hey | 14:19 |
| markmc | simo, could you give us an update? | 14:19 |
| simo | yes | 14:19 |
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| simo | the patches I have work just fine | 14:20 |
| simo | I am working with ayoung now to get the server side into keystone | 14:20 |
| simo | (reviews welcome) | 14:20 |
| markmc | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/trusted-messaging | 14:20 |
| simo | the patches currently up for review are WIP as adam has another patch inline we may want to depend on | 14:20 |
| ayoung | big issue with the review is the SQL repo. We want to keep it separate, but curent focus on Alembic is undermining that effort | 14:20 |
| simo | (splits DB per keystone component to avoid migration issues) | 14:21 |
| markmc | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/key-distribution-server | 14:21 |
| ayoung | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36731/ | 14:21 |
| simo | ayoung: my plan is to go ahead w/o splitting soon | 14:21 |
| markmc | ayoung, that keystone blueprint isn't triaged/approved yet | 14:21 |
| simo | markmc: so from oslo-incubator pov we are just waiting on keystone side | 14:21 |
| simo | from oslo.messaging pov I .. don't know how we want to proceed | 14:22 |
| markmc | simo, yeah, I think now is a good time for oslo-core to review the oslo-incubator patches | 14:22 |
| markmc | and look over the keystone side of it too | 14:22 |
| ayoung | we have a chicken/egg problem with it that the mechanism needs extensions to test it | 14:22 |
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| markmc | simo, don't worry too much about oslo.messaging just yet ... either you or I can add it at some point, but getting it into oslo-incubator is the first step | 14:23 |
| simo | markmc: ok | 14:23 |
| markmc | I'm happy for the oslo-incubator stuff to land if keystone-core are generally nodding at the idea of the key distribution server in keystone | 14:23 |
| markmc | hence my question about the blueprint approval | 14:23 |
| simo | markmc: is it ok to abandon old reviews and start a new one from scratch ? | 14:23 |
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| markmc | simo, it's better not to - it's preferable to keep the conversations tied together | 14:24 |
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| markmc | simo, even if you split up the patches a bit more, it's nice to keep the original Change-Id for one of the new patches | 14:24 |
| simo | markmc: ok, then I will just update the old review with the latest code today | 14:25 |
| markmc | ayoung, is keystone-core generally nodding at the idea of the key distribution server in keystone? | 14:25 |
| markmc | simo, super | 14:25 |
| ayoung | markmc, yes, since it is only going in as an extension | 14:25 |
| markmc | ayoung, can we get the bp approved, then? | 14:26 |
| ayoung | markmc, will do | 14:26 |
| markmc | e.g. ttx looks at the oslo blueprint and assumes it's all blocked because the keystone bp isn't approved | 14:26 |
| markmc | simo, I hope I get to review really soon | 14:27 |
| markmc | simo, still super excited about getting this in | 14:27 |
| simo | markmc: me too | 14:27 |
| simo | markmc: now one more comment on implementation | 14:27 |
| markmc | <openstackgerrit> Simo Sorce proposed a change to openstack/oslo-incubator: RPC: Add MessageSecurity implementation https://review.openstack.org/37912 | 14:27 |
| markmc | <openstackgerrit> Simo Sorce proposed a change to openstack/oslo-incubator: RPC: Add support for optional message signing https://review.openstack.org/37913 | 14:27 |
| markmc | <openstackgerrit> Simo Sorce proposed a change to openstack/oslo-incubator: Add support for retrieving group keys https://review.openstack.org/37914 | 14:27 |
| simo | markmc: setup is all pretty manual still, is there a place I should put docs on how to do it ? | 14:28 |
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| markmc | simo, a wiki page would be a great start | 14:28 |
| simo | markmc: where should I land it ? | 14:28 |
| markmc | simo, including DocImpact in the commit message helps alert docs folks | 14:28 |
| markmc | simo, where on the wiki? | 14:28 |
| simo | nods | 14:28 |
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| markmc | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MessageSecurityHowto ? | 14:29 |
| simo | I'll do | 14:29 |
| markmc | cool | 14:29 |
| markmc | ok, excellent | 14:29 |
| simo | so what I have now secures 1-1 communication if you espcify and explicit topic/host | 14:29 |
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| simo | it can also protect 1-many if the target is anything but 'compute' | 14:30 |
| markmc | interesting, why is that? | 14:30 |
| simo | well you could add a 'compute' group too but then you will not protect one compute from anothr | 14:30 |
| markmc | the !compute bit, I mean | 14:30 |
| markmc | ok, right | 14:30 |
| markmc | not technical limitation so much as not recommended | 14:30 |
| simo | because I assume you can trust scheduler1 and scheduler2 to be at the same trust level | 14:30 |
| markmc | yeah | 14:30 |
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| simo | as scheduler1 can grab the group key for 'schduler' and forge messages as if they were from another | 14:31 |
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| markmc | that covers a lot of cases, though | 14:31 |
| markmc | e.g. scheduler mostly talks to specific compute hosts | 14:31 |
| simo | markmc: indeed it does | 14:31 |
| markmc | welcome dhellmann | 14:31 |
| simo | fanout messages to compute.* are rare | 14:31 |
| markmc | yeah | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | hi, sorry I'm late! | 14:31 |
| simo | and usually they ask compute.* to do something | 14:31 |
| simo | so even if they are not protected when compute.host then sends something to the targte, that message will be protected | 14:32 |
| simo | markmc: once we get this code in I am still planning to take a hard look at supporting public/private signing too | 14:32 |
| simo | markmc: to try to cover also the compute.* target case | 14:32 |
| simo | the API should alredy be flsxible enough for that | 14:32 |
| markmc | great | 14:34 |
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| markmc | ok, great | 14:35 |
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| * markmc tried to summarize in the etherpad | 14:35 | |
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| markmc | simo, feel free to fill in anything I misrepresented | 14:35 |
| markmc | #topic qpid/proton support | 14:35 |
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| markmc | ok, whenry - you're up :) | 14:35 |
| whenry | ok | 14:35 |
| markmc | could you give everyone a brief summary of what this is all about? | 14:35 |
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| whenry | so impl_proton would be a pure amqp 1.0 that uses the proton library | 14:36 |
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| whenry | it would not care about qpidd artifacts | 14:36 |
| whenry | it would support exchanges in the namespace | 14:37 |
| whenry | as the osl.messaging would support - i.e. exchanges are just a HLQ on the namespace | 14:37 |
| whenry | qpidd or other intermeddiaries like qpid Dispatch could be used | 14:38 |
| markmc | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-July/thread.html#11451 | 14:38 |
| tedross | removes the dependency on brokers - and would allow for HA without broker clustering | 14:38 |
| whenry | also would allow for the move over to a more federated setup | 14:38 |
| tedross | and removes the scale limitations that brokers cause | 14:38 |
| markmc | yeah, that's probably the key message for most people | 14:38 |
| markmc | this would be an amqp driver which would allow peer-to-peer style messaging architecture similar to what you can do with the zmq driver | 14:39 |
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| whenry | so people could still use qpidd as their broker if they wish (qpidd now supports AMQP 1.0 using the proton libraries) | 14:39 |
| markmc | what's "a more federated setup" ? | 14:39 |
| markmc | in the context of openstack? | 14:39 |
| markmc | say, nova for example | 14:39 |
| tedross | network-topology vs clusters | 14:39 |
| whenry | just fyi for others: qpid/rpton is a library that provides a pure amqp 1.0 support | 14:40 |
| markmc | what would the topology look like for a large scale nova deployment? | 14:40 |
| whenry | anyone can use it to make their app/broker/etc. amqp 1.0 compliant | 14:40 |
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| dhellmann | would it use the matchmaker to help the peers find each other like the zmq driver? or is that something built into amqp 1.0? | 14:40 |
| tedross | markmc: you would use a topology similar to a network topology in a datacenter - dual everything with crossed links | 14:41 |
| tedross | with regional pairs and backbones | 14:41 |
| whenry | topology can have many intermediaries (like qpid/dispatch) that merely route messages on. alternate routes can be found. geo areas can be defined to limit widea area chattyness | 14:41 |
| markmc | so ... e.g. a pair of dispatch thingies per rack? | 14:41 |
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| whenry | or more | 14:42 |
| tedross | markmc: yes | 14:42 |
| tedross | or more, if needed | 14:42 |
| whenry | it's very light weight | 14:42 |
| whenry | merely looks at addresses and moves message forward | 14:42 |
| markmc | I'd love to see an opinionated explanation of e.g. "here's what it should look like for a nova install of 20 racks, 30 compute nodes per rack" | 14:43 |
| * markmc isn't loving "you can do it whatever way you like" type approach | 14:43 | |
| whenry | in the topology you could support brokers too if there was some need ... but there probably wouldn't be with the right amount of redundancy in the network | 14:43 |
| markmc | a concrete example would really help people understand why you think this would be useful for openstack | 14:44 |
| tedross | markmc: +1 - I think the messaging topology would want to match the underlying networking topology as closely as possible | 14:44 |
| dhellmann | "less could, more should" | 14:44 |
| tedross | i.e. if there are wan trunks in use, that would be a good place to put a messaging interconnect | 14:44 |
| whenry | should because as we scale up to massive clouds over many geos then we need to have a more scalable solution | 14:45 |
| markmc | I'd keep it relatively simple | 14:45 |
| markmc | i.e. a single geo | 14:45 |
| markmc | just relatively large scale | 14:45 |
| markmc | ignore nova cells for now | 14:45 |
| tedross | then three in a full-mesh would give you good availability | 14:46 |
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| markmc | tedross, could you or whenry write that up in some more detail? | 14:46 |
| * markmc would find it helpful | 14:46 | |
| tedross | no need for clustering or quarum management | 14:46 |
| tedross | markmc: yes, I'd be happy to do that | 14:46 |
| markmc | i.e. a writeup for people who don't spend much time thinking about messaging | 14:47 |
| markmc | ok, cool | 14:47 |
| markmc | also, a blueprint for this driver would be good too | 14:47 |
| whenry | +1 | 14:47 |
| tedross | markmc: ack +1 | 14:47 |
| markmc | I'm assuming icehouse is the target at this point? | 14:47 |
| tedross | it looks like it, yes | 14:47 |
| whenry | but also another point | 14:47 |
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| whenry | impl_proton will be pure AMQP 1.0 | 14:48 |
| whenry | not just qpidd specific though qpidd will understand proton messages | 14:48 |
| markmc | yes | 14:48 |
| whenry | i.e. any AMQP 1.0 artifact can use this. | 14:48 |
| markmc | I still can't imagine that's going to matter for us though | 14:48 |
| whenry | so if some other broker tech came along that spoke amqp 1.0 then it would stil work | 14:48 |
| markmc | e.g. having nova-compute use impl_proton and nova-scheduler using impl_some_other_amqp10 | 14:48 |
| markmc | ok, you're just saying the oslo.messaging driver isn't tieing you to a specific broker | 14:49 |
| whenry | right | 14:49 |
| markmc | unlike impl_rabbit and impl_qpid | 14:49 |
| markmc | ok, got it | 14:49 |
| * markmc has to move on | 14:49 | |
| markmc | #topic eventlet dependency in oslo logging | 14:50 |
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| markmc | lbragstad, you're on :) | 14:50 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34834/ for getting a unified logging solution from Oslo into Keystone. | 14:50 |
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| lbragstad | just wanting to get some feedback on that there. | 14:50 |
| markmc | #link https://review.openstack.org/34834 | 14:50 |
| markmc | I looked very briefly and was like, "uggh, this is getting messy" | 14:50 |
| markmc | but I'm not opposed to the idea in principle | 14:50 |
| markmc | but to back up here for a second | 14:50 |
| dhellmann | I wonder if that class couldn't be replaced with a single function that just returns the 2 stores? | 14:51 |
| markmc | oslo logging depends on the local store for the messaging context? | 14:51 |
| lbragstad | ContextAdapter | 14:51 |
| lbragstad | in log.py | 14:51 |
| markmc | i.e. the rpc code sets the context of the currently processing message? | 14:51 |
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| markmc | I haven't carried that over to oslo.messaging yet | 14:51 |
| markmc | which is another ball of wax | 14:51 |
| markmc | is there any better way of implementing this | 14:52 |
| markmc | which doesn't depend on eventlet? | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | FWIW, I haven't looked at that patch but I'd love to remove local's dependency on eventlet. | 14:52 |
| lbragstad | I guess the way I did it, was just to use python's standard threading library | 14:52 |
| lbragstad | in the case we don't have eventlet installed on the system, like running keystone under Apache | 14:52 |
| markmc | does eventlet monkey patch the standard threading library's thread-local stuff? | 14:53 |
| lbragstad | yeah | 14:53 |
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| markmc | i.e. so you get a thread local context per green thread? | 14:53 |
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| markmc | so local.py could just use the standard thread-local stuff? | 14:53 |
| markmc | not use eventlet at all? | 14:53 |
| markmc | and eventlet will monkey patch it? | 14:53 |
| * markmc waves hands | 14:53 | |
| mrodden | it would be patched yea | 14:53 |
| lbragstad | correct | 14:54 |
| dhellmann | markmc: the problem with just relying on that approach is we can't have unit tests for both implementations | 14:54 |
| lbragstad | given the fact that we needed to detect that case, we also needed to address the test cases for it in a way that we could test the python threading implemetation with Eventlet installed | 14:54 |
| dhellmann | although we could do what we did in ceilometer with the nova notifier plugin, and run testr twice with different settings | 14:54 |
| markmc | dhellmann, yeah, I'm fine with that ... mostly because we're going to have this problem in oslo.messaging too | 14:55 |
| * dhellmann nods | 14:55 | |
| markmc | lbragstad, ok, so I'd be happy with a patch to local.py which switches it to standard threading stuff | 14:55 |
| markmc | it would be monkey patched in our unit tests | 14:56 |
| markmc | and we can deal with adding tests for the non-eventlet case later | 14:56 |
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| markmc | that would be a relatively simple patch, right? | 14:56 |
| * flaper87 would be happy with that as well | 14:56 | |
| lbragstad | markmc: ok so just switch everything to use python threading instead of the implementation were we have an object to build the store dynamically? | 14:56 |
| markmc | yeah | 14:56 |
| lbragstad | simplier than what I have now I think ;) | 14:57 |
| markmc | I much prefer the simplicity of that | 14:57 |
| dhellmann | you could probably go back to the original implementation and just replace the eventlet module with threading | 14:57 |
| markmc | right | 14:57 |
| lbragstad | dhellmann: markmc ok, sounds good... simple is good | 14:57 |
| dhellmann | markmk: as far as the tests go, if the tests for the local module don't import anything "bad" we should be able to reuse the same test cases, no? | 14:57 |
| dhellmann | lbragstad: sorry for steering you down the wrong path initially :-/ | 14:58 |
| markmc | dhellmann, same test cases, but just different testr invocation? | 14:58 |
| lbragstad | dhellmann: no worries, I learned alot :) | 14:58 |
| dhellmann | markmc: right | 14:58 |
| markmc | dhellmann, yep | 14:58 |
| dhellmann | we just need to take care with the imports | 14:58 |
| dhellmann | so we don't end up bringing eventlet in unexpectedly | 14:59 |
| markmc | what am I going to do for oslo.messaging? | 14:59 |
| markmc | add a get_current_context() method? | 14:59 |
| markmc | I'm not going to expose the store in the API | 14:59 |
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| dhellmann | the context we're talking about is the incoming rpc call context? | 14:59 |
| markmc | yeah | 15:00 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I guess we need to provide a function somewhere for other modules to call to get it | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | we could pass it to the callback we're given | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | but that just moves the burden somewhere else | 15:00 |
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| dhellmann | is the oslo.messaging code still in your github repo, or is that on stackforge somewhere? | 15:01 |
| markmc | dhellmann, https://github.com/openstack/oslo.messaging | 15:01 |
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| markmc | dhellmann, see https://etherpad.openstack.org/HavanaOsloMessaging | 15:01 |
| * markmc is really proud of http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.messaging/ :) | 15:01 | |
| dhellmann | I saw you'd done that, but haven't had a chance to catch up yet | 15:02 |
| markmc | it only took me a year or so to publish the oslo.config docs | 15:02 |
| mrodden | dhellmann, markmc: we're out of time but I was hoping to ask about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34253/ in open discussion. it was +2'd already but dhellman had some comments that I think are addressed now. its blocking a blueprint i have in nova :( | 15:02 |
| markmc | dhellmann, yep, cool | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | markmc: +1 for those docs, I love them | 15:02 |
| dhellmann | mrodden: I'll take a look | 15:02 |
| mrodden | dhellmann: thanks | 15:02 |
| markmc | how are we doing on reviews anyway? | 15:02 |
| markmc | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/oslo-openreviews.txt | 15:02 |
| markmc | --> Total Open Reviews: 55 | 15:03 |
| markmc | that's a lot | 15:03 |
| * markmc caught up a week or two ago, behind again | 15:03 | |
| dhellmann | ditto | 15:03 |
| markmc | ok, I think we're done | 15:04 |
| * flaper87 reviewed the hell out of oslo just yesterday | 15:04 | |
| markmc | 5 minutes over | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:04 |
| lbragstad | thanks guys! | 15:04 |
| markmc | flaper87, awesome | 15:04 |
| mrodden | thanks all | 15:04 |
| markmc | thanks everyone | 15:04 |
| markmc | #endmeeting | 15:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jul 19 15:04:26 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:04 |
| whenry | flaper87, :) | 15:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2013/oslo.2013-07-19-14.00.html | 15:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2013/oslo.2013-07-19-14.00.txt | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | markmc: I think the dispatcher needs to save the context, and there should be a global function to retrieve it | 15:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2013/oslo.2013-07-19-14.00.log.html | 15:04 |
| whenry | thnx | 15:04 |
| markmc | dhellmann, you'd need a thread local thing still, though ? | 15:04 |
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| markmc | dhellmann, you could save the current dispatcher in a thread local, I guess | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | markmc: yeah, but that can be hidden inside the implementation of that global function and the thing the dispatcher uses to save the value | 15:05 |
| markmc | dhellmann, yep, totally | 15:05 |
| markmc | dhellmann, the only public piece of this would be the global function | 15:05 |
| markmc | dhellmann, even the dispatcher details of this would be private | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | right | 15:05 |
| markmc | cool | 15:06 |
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| dhellmann | ttyl | 15:06 |
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