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jd__#startmeeting ceilometer15:03
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 25 15:03:28 2013 UTC.  The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:03
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)"15:03
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer'15:03
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jd__hi everyone15:03
jd__dhellmann is excused15:04
jd__#topic nealph to finish looking into tempest QA efforts15:05
*** openstack changes topic to "nealph to finish looking into tempest QA efforts (Meeting topic: ceilometer)"15:05
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jd__nealph: any update? :)15:06
nealphhad some time to look ad this and recruit some help from tempest experts.15:06
nealphwill start work on test design this week.15:06
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eglynntempest addition for heat autoscaling15:07
nealphso, I'll just keep updating the bp with progress15:07
jd__nealph: so feel free to keep us in touch and to add this as a meeting topic whenever you want to keep us informed on the progress or whatever!15:07
nealphwill do. thx.15:07
eglynn(in the commit msg: "Due to the nature of this test, it takes about 10 minutes to run locally")15:08
eglynnI had thought that adding lots of extra time to a test run was problematic15:08
eglynnbut maybe with parallelization, not so much any more ...15:09
jd__probably less a problem that no test at all15:09
eglynnjd__: true that!15:09
jd__eglynn: so that's autoscaling based on the old code w/o Ceilometer IIUC?15:09
eglynnjd__: yep the old approach for now15:10
eglynnjd__: IIUC, but soon to be updated to the new15:10
nealphinteresting. I'll review that offline...not sure of the implications just yet.15:10
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jd__ok cool15:11
jd__nealph: probably not much yet15:11
eglynnnealph: might be interesting/informative to compare notes with sbaker15:11
eglynn(as he's doing most of the heat tempestification work it seems)15:11
nealphplanning on it, absolutely.15:11
jd__#topic eglynn release python-ceilometerclient as soon as gets in and unblock
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eglynnjd__: got in before me with cutting the new client15:12
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jd__yeah sdague kept complaining :)15:13
eglynnyep, it's all good :)15:13
jd__ doesn't work but that requires code adjustement, I'll look into that15:13
sdaguejd__: yeh, I was about to ask about that15:13
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sdaguethat's the last piece of the puzzle to uncap the clients in the gate15:14
jd__ack, I'll try to fix it ASAP15:14
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jd__#topic Add logging to our IRC channel? - dhellmann15:15
*** openstack changes topic to "Add logging to our IRC channel? - dhellmann (Meeting topic: ceilometer)"15:15
eglynnwere we going to take a vote on it?15:15
eglynn(or defer again if we don't have quorum today)15:16
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apmeltonso is there any downside to having logging?15:16
apmeltonother than most people are probably doing it locally?15:16
jd__not really IMHO15:16
eglynnfolks being more guarded in what they say I guess15:16
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jd__I'll keep doing my bad jokes ya know15:17
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nealpheglynn: haven't decided if that's a bad thing yet. :)15:17
eglynnme neither :)15:17
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jd__so, is anybody against this anyway?15:17
gordcjd__, asalkeld was against if i remember.15:18
eglynnyep he was15:18
jd__I seem to remember that15:18
llu-laptopwhat his concerns?15:18
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gordcllu-laptop, i think when we're asleep out here in the 'west', he does secret things.15:19
eglynnindefinite retention etc.15:19
jd__gordc: lol15:20
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jd__well I propose we #action dhellmann to set up a wiki page or something so we can vote15:20
eglynnsounds reasonable15:21
jd__since we aren't going to have a meeting with everyone anyway15:21
gordcyep. sounds good.15:21
jd__yeah it's always reasonable to #action away people :D15:21
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jd__#action dhellmann to set-up a vote (via a wiki page or smthg) on the #openstack-metering logging15:22
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jd__#topic Review Havana-3 milestone15:22
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jd__we've a bunch of stuff not started yet, you should think about starting soon now15:22
jd__the sooner the better15:22
jd__there's no havana-4, we don't postpone anymore :)15:23
eglynnyep, I've another block of dedicated development time ringfenced off15:24
jd__(havana 3 is early september)15:24
jd__eglynn: cool15:24
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jd__eglynn: if you've anything you want help or you want to drop entirely, don't hesitate because sileht is bored15:24
eglynncool ;)15:24
BrooklynChenjd__: the ceilomter-plugin for horizon is not completed yet and it's for havana-3.15:25
jd__BrooklynChen: ok!15:25
litong@jd__, we have a specific date for H3?15:25
eglynnyeah I was gonna ask about horizon too15:25
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jd__litong: 6th September15:25
litongk. thx.15:26
BrooklynChennow the problem for horizon is that the usage summary table takes a lot of time loading the data15:26
eglynnBrooklynChen: is the usage summary timestamp-constrained?15:27
eglynnBrooklynChen: e.g. last day/week/month15:27
BrooklynCheneglynn: the issue is, we don't have a group-by api in ceilometer and the grouping is done by horizon. that needs a lot of time15:27
eglynnBrooklynChen: a-ha I see15:28
eglynnBrooklynChen: but there is broup-by on the cards for h315:28
jd__yeah we're working on group-by15:28
jd__I know this is the main pain point15:29
jd__terriyu is working on that :)15:29
terriyuyes, sorry everyone I've been slow getting started15:29
BrooklynChenterriyu:  we may need to talk about this. that helps if it's added to ceilometer-api15:30
terriyuBrooklynChen: sure, we can talk.  I'm new, so I don't really know anything about Horizon15:31
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BrooklynChenjd__:  sorry about the email and I will check the statistic with period= parameter15:32
BrooklynChenterriyu:  great15:32
jd__BrooklynChen: ok cool!15:32
jd__BrooklynChen: we'll be happy to enhance the API, we just need a little help on how to improve the existing :)15:33
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apmeltonso, I was wonering if anyone has looked at my event body blueprint, I was hoping to have it slated for H3?15:33
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apmeltonthis is part of sandy's stacktach integration group of blueprints15:34
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jd__apmelton: you can just put it to the h3 milestone I guess15:35
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jd__apmelton: couldn't that work apply to implement metadata matching on our current meters?15:35
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apmeltonjd__: I'm pretty new to ceilometer so I'm still catching up on everything, do we want every event associated with each meter it's involved with?15:37
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jd__apmelton: basically we have the same problem currently, we store a JSON of the event in a column, and we want to query it15:37
apmeltonjd__: then this could definitely be used there as well15:38
jd__apmelton: and that's not implemented in the SQL driver because of reasons you describe in this bp15:38
jd__apmelton: ok that'd be awesome15:38
gordcsweet. this resolves sql metadata query?15:38
jd__gordc: yes15:38
gordcthis will be awesome.15:39
jd__apmelton: if you've time I'd love you to take a look and tell us if you think your bp could help in this regard15:39
apmeltonjd__: I'll poke around with meter metadata and see how I can tweak this BP15:40
jd__apmelton: thanks :)15:40
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jd__#topic Splitting CADF support out of Ceilometer15:40
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jd__so this is dhellmann topic but I'll speak for him15:41
jd__he would like to go ahead and move this outside Ceilometer right away15:41
jd__so this could build a pycadf library used by Ceilometer and others15:42
gordcjd__, how difficult is it to add it back as a requirement? especially if its not used anywhere except for a single audit filter?15:42
jd__dhellmann is willing to help setting up the project on StackForge15:42
jd__gordc: not difficult15:43
litong@jd__, so pycadf is a ceilometer dependency?15:43
jd__litong: would be, yes15:43
gordcone reason we started it here is because we'd like it to start in ceilometer as a base and have one proven example.15:43
eglynnso the motivation is to allow easy re-use outside ceilometer?15:44
jd__eglynn: yes15:44
gordcthen when other projects (specifically keystone) see its use they can adopt it and we can move it out.15:44
jd__gordc: the upside would be that you could develop faster pycadf if it's outside Ceilometer, you won't need our approval15:44
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jd__gordc: we would move out only the CADF implementation, not everything15:44
gordcjd__, that'd be good :P15:44
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gordcjd__, my main concern for moving it out so soon is that it'll get lost since it barely has traction here15:45
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jd__why would it get lost if it's used by Ceilometer?15:45
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gordcmaybe unwarranted concern. just worried that the single audit api filter is not a strong enough sell for others to adopt.15:47
gordci think another item is about license? is there anything special needed to be done if we move this code to stackforge?15:47
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jd__you need to pick a license15:48
jd__but you can pick the same as OpenStack15:48
jd__you're not force to the CLA OTOH15:48
jd__gordc: well the fact that the code is inside or outside but a dependency doesn't matter in term of attrictivness15:48
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gordcfor me i'd like to show some keystone folk the working filter and then once we can sell them that, branch out.15:49
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jd__gordc: actually you'll sell better if you already have something called pycadf they can add to requirements.txt15:50
jd__"look at how unintrusive it is!"15:50
gordci guess the time to set up stackforge project and add requirement would be another concern.15:50
jd__it's better than "look at how we polluted the Ceilometer project with a bunch of stuff we're going to have to extract painfully now!"15:51
jd__gordc: well dhellmann's willing to do that in a snap15:51
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jd__we are both used to that so it's going to be faster than you think15:51
gordc:) well i thought we did a good job keeping it separate15:51
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jd__gordc: agreed, but from an external PoV, it's not that obvious :)15:52
jd__gordc: do you have concerns you want to tackle internally about this?15:52
jd__(licensing or others)15:52
jd__or can I #action dhellmann right away?15:52
gordclet me speak with Matt, he's working on the spec... i think he'll be concern especially with the time to pull this out.15:53
gordcmaybe i can speak with dhellmann later. i'm not familiar with the setting up external projects so maybe its not a huge concern15:53
litong@jd__, @gordc, if it is done as a middleware, it may not even need to be a dependency.15:53
jd__litong: well except if we ship the middleware15:53
jd__gordc: no problem, don't worry about the infra, we can handle this15:54
litong@jd__, right, if we do that.15:54
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gordcjd__, ok, we can talk more about this after meeting so you can alleviate concerns.15:54
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jd__#topic SQL migration testing with data15:56
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jd__so I've been discussing with mikal recently about how they do SQL tests migration for nova15:56
jd__they're willing to do the same for Ceilometer15:56
jd__if anyone's interested on working on this, you should obviously get in touch with him :)15:57
jd__for now I think the biggest blocker is that they need real data from an SQL instance15:57
jd__(data that can be anonymized and never published FWIW)15:57
gordcthis stuff is dependent on all the migration patches we have currently?15:58
jd__gordc: no15:58
jd__not AFAIK at least :)15:58
gordck.there's no blueprint for this right?15:59
gordcseems interesting though.15:59
jd__no bp indeed16:00
jd__more a side thing16:00
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jd__and time's out guy!16:00
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sdague#startmeeting qa17:00
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sdagueok, who's around for the qa meeting?17:01
sdagueok, agenda is here -
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sdague#topic Blueprint status17:02
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sdagueI still need to close out H2 and move things out17:02
ravikumar_hpi took care my blueprints17:03
* afazekas is still waiting for feedback17:03
ravikumar_hpremaining will be finished in H317:03
sdagueon anything I need to auto bump I'm going to bump to icehouse, so update to h3 if you think you are really going to be able to make it17:03
dkranzafazekas: You mean the leak stuff?17:03
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afazekasdkranz: yes17:03
sdagueafazekas: yeh, on which thing?17:04
sdagueok, so I've looked at the patch a little, and it's something I realize I need to take more time to understand17:04
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sdaguedo you want to give us a high level view of the approach you are taking? maybe it makes it easier to review17:04
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afazekassdague: This is one resion for not making it complete at the first time, I still have minor design things to finalize as well17:05
sdagueor maybe some sample output of it17:05
afazekassdague: it has the same design as the pep8 checker17:05
sdagueafazekas: ok, but it's not yet hooked into any base classes right?17:05
afazekasYou have detectors  wich first records the begining state, and at the and compare it with the final state17:06
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sdagueI guess that's what's made it hard for me to review, as it isn't yet functional17:06
afazekassdague: It is before and after test suite action17:06
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afazekasafter the test runner it can say if something not deleted properly17:07
afazekasIt can be anything..17:07
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sdagueoh, you get it by another wrapper17:07
afazekasI would like to make some trick in the rand_name generation, to be easier to find aout which test case was the responsible17:07
sdaguewhat about having it in master setUp and tearDown for base class instead?17:08
sdagueso that we don't need the wrapper17:08
sdagueok, well I'll go put some feedback out there post meeting17:09
sdagueand we can carry on in qa.17:09
afazekassdague: it would require to query everything, and I have concers with it's performance17:09
sdagueafazekas: it would be good to see if that was true in practice17:09
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sdagueI would worry about performance later, right now a more integrated prototype is probably useful17:10
sdagueok, mtreinish how goes testr?17:10
mtreinishso we've had the testr run for a week and I've started working on tracking down some of the race conditions17:11
afazekassdague: I can make a change to be able to run on setUpclass /tearDown class or on tearDown / and setUp as a configure-able plugin17:11
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sdagueafazekas: great17:11
mtreinishI've got a fix pending on one in nova with aggregates list (that I need to rework a bit)17:11
dkranzafazekas: +117:11
sdaguemtreinish: is there a wiki or etherpad page with testr issues we're running after?17:11
mtreinishbut right now something got merged in nova that broke something with aggregates and availability zones17:11
mtreinishand all the testr runs are failing17:12
mtreinishsdague: there is but I haven't updated it in a bit17:12
mtreinishI'll take some time today to update it17:12
sdagueI think right now getting testr functioning is probably the highest priority team mission, as it's going to let us enable other things like heat17:12
afazekasIs it allowed to move one host to two availability_zone ?17:12
sdaguemtreinish: ok, could you take a little bit of time to do that today?17:12
sdague#link current testr issues
mtreinishsdague: yes I will17:13
sdague#action mtreinish to update testr etherpad with latest status of fails so we can try to get more folks on it17:13
mtreinishsdague: but aside from the one that I'm currently fixing the ones listed there are sill active17:14
mtreinishso there are 6 other outstanding issues listed there17:14
sdagueok, good to know. I'll start poking from my test env today and see if I can help17:14
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mtreinishplus the az fail that's stopping the job from working17:15
mtreinishafazekas: I'm not sure, I haven't looked at things in detail yet17:15
sdaguemaybe we can try to enlist some of the infra guys that did testr conversions other places to help debug the issues17:16
mtreinishsdague: sure that sounds like a good idea17:16
sdaguecool, great17:16
sdagueok, I think the last blueprint that we wanted to be sure to talk about was the stress tests17:17
sdaguemkoderer the floor is yours17:17
mkodererok so the refactoring is nearly done17:17
mkodererwhat is left is are unit tests and adding more stress tests17:18
sdaguethat's coming right along17:18
mkodererI am currently quite busy .. so I hope I have something starting next week17:19
mkodererand.. I registered a talk for the Summit about the new framework17:19
afazekas a lock type which can work if we need to force something to be serialized17:19
sdaguemkoderer: cool17:19
mkodererI want to present the new framework with some real life test cases17:20
dkranzmkoderer: By unit test do you mean something that runs in tempest to make sure the stress scenarios work?17:20
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dkranzmkoderer: But without stress.17:20
mkodererdkranz: yes something like that17:20
mkoderera sanity check17:20
dkranzmkoderer: I put a suggestion in one of the reviews17:20
sdaguedkranz: yes, we were chatting in the review and it occurred to me that we really should have some sanity check on checkin to make sure we didn't land broken python code17:20
mkodererdkranz: that would be great17:21
dkranzsdague: Definitely.17:21
dkranzsdague: I basically suggested running each of them once.17:21
mkodererthis could be a good and easy solution17:21
dkranzsdague: Cleanup is the issue.17:21
sdaguedkranz: ok, well we should try to structure for that case17:22
mkodererdkranz: or we can add a NOOP action just to check the framework itself17:22
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sdaguebut I like the idea of one run only17:22
sdaguethat could go into the normal gate runs then17:22
dkranzmkoderer: Yes, but it is new cases that may be submitted not working17:22
mkoderersdague: sure this covers even more17:22
dkranzsounds like a plan17:22
mkodereryes let's to that!17:23
sdague#action mkoderer and the stress test folks to make it easy to run once through only for gating purposes17:23
sdaguevery cool17:23
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sdagueok, next agenda topic17:23
sdague#topic WebDav status codes in nova? Consistently using the 404 or 422 on actions.17:24
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sdagueso that one I actually threw to the -dev mailing list17:24
sdagueas I think we need more broad input than just us17:24
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1204999 in nova "422 HTTP status code on several actions" [Undecided,New]17:24
sdagueI would encourage us to discuss it there17:25
sdagueso I'm going to jump from that topic quickly, and say lets do it on the list17:25
sdague#topic Adding test cases with skip attribute vote? Exact rule (afazekas)17:25
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afazekassdague:  IMHO it not just WebDav code, but in this case it is not the correct cde anyway17:25
sdaguewell it's only in the webdav rfc17:26
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sdaguebut anyway, lets do it on the list17:26
sdagueafazekas: you're up next on the skip topic17:26
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afazekasThe current Hacking.rst just forbids the changes which contains only skipped test cases17:27
afazekasIMHO this is a good policy17:27
sdagueso the rationale behind why we don't want to land skipped tests is that the test itself is then never tested before it's in the tree17:27
ravikumar_hpThis submission has some tests that are not skipped .I will vote for adding tests with skip .17:28
mtreinishyeah, I've had to go through and fix really broken tests before when I went to remove the skips17:28
sdagueI don't want to land non tested code in the tree17:28
ravikumar_hpIt is really hard to come back later to add those tests .17:28
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sdagueso we should change the wording to we don't land any skipped tests17:28
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afazekasThe never run was happened with several keystone change, because nobody wanted to fix it17:29
sdagueravikumar_hp: it's easily breakupable into a patch with only working tests, and a different one17:29
afazekasbut in this case it is just config option, and AFAIK it will be default in neutron anyway17:29
afazekasUnfortunately in neutron it is not as easy as in devstack
sdagueso I remain -1, and am verging on -2 because I'm not comfortable landing never tested code in the tree17:30
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sdagueafazekas: ok, that's all that's needed there? Is there a reason quotas are off by default in neutron?17:31
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ravikumar_hpsdague: yes. that makes sense17:31
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mkodererdrawback of not accepting skipped tests in general is that you lose potential test coverage...17:31
ravikumar_hpsdague: when we remove skip , those tests could break ..17:31
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sdaguemkoderer: we've had tests that are skipped for over a year17:32
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afazekassdague: I do not know about any other reason than , difficult to convince the unit tests to be default..17:32
mkodererwould it be possible to put them into a seperate branch?17:32
sdaguemkoderer: we don't really work with branches well17:32
mkoderersdague: I see I don't know the history.. I am new ;)17:32
dkranzsdague: I think this is a grey area that is not well served by a simple rule for acceptance.17:32
sdagueit does occur to me that maybe we should timestamp when a test is skipped, so we know how old it is17:32
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sdagueand after a certain time say people need to fix them, or we dump them, because they are bitrotting a lot when skipped17:33
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mkoderera timestamp in the code? or a script that checks it?17:33
dkranzsdague: That works for me.17:33
sdaguein the code, make it another param on the skip bug17:33
mkoderersdague: sounds logical17:33
afazekasdkranz: the git can tell it by 2-3 combined commands17:33
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sdaguedkranz: landing a skipped test doesn't seem grey to me17:34
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sdagueit means we put code in the tree that didn't get run17:34
sdaguethat's a no no in my book17:34
dkranzsdague: Yes, but if we reject it maybe no one will add it and we won't have it.17:34
dkranzsdague: It can be a fail either way.17:35
sdaguedkranz: but it's not like we have it when it's skipped :)17:35
afazekassdague: basically all neutron job is non voting now, so they can run an fail:)17:35
mkodererdkranz: I agree to this17:35
dkranzsdague: I think we just need to be more diligent about unskipping tests, perhaps by putting a reminder on whatever action is needed to unskip.17:35
sdagueyeh, we have the skip tracker, a run on that is probably a good idea17:36
mtreinishthe skip tracker will tell you which bugs we skip have been closed17:36
dkranzsdague: we can run that once a week and send the output to the list or something to pester people :)17:36
mtreinishbut unskipping things is still very manual17:36
mtreinishbecause of bit rot17:36
afazekasCan we extend the skip tracker to show skip ages based on git history ?17:36
mtreinishafazekas: that can be tricky because what happens if there is a code refactor that moves things around17:37
sdagueafazekas: I don't know, that's why I'd rather anotate the skips17:37
mtreinishor a whitespace change17:37
mkoderermtreinish: if you want to do this automatically you need to check the bugtracker17:37
sdaguewe can seed them with git values17:37
afazekasmtreinish: restoring a change and rebasing is also manual17:37
sdaguemkoderer: we have a script that does that17:37
mtreinishmkoderer: we have a script in tools that does that17:38
mkoderer;) ok ok17:38
sdaguewe have 4 that should be fixed17:38
sdagueThe following bugs have been fixed and the corresponding skips17:38
sdagueshould be removed from the test cases:17:38
sdague  107231817:38
sdague  107490817:38
sdague  108040617:38
sdague  117071817:38
sdagueso that's easy patches for someone... maybe :)17:39
sdagueok, well only 20 minutes left, so lets move on17:39
sdague#topic py26 compatibility (afazekas)17:39
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afazekasIMHO it is small/simple enough patch for letting tempest running with py26 without skip issues17:41
sdagueok, I think I'm fine with that. We'll probably have to revisit once we drop nose as test-requires17:41
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mtreinishafazekas: that's probably fine. But, I personally don't feel py26 compatibility is something that is very important for tempest.17:42
dkranzsdague: Sure.17:42
sdaguedkranz / mtreinish: can you just take a look as well17:42
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mtreinishdkranz: sure17:42
dkranzmtreinish: I wish it were not important for OpenStack at all but we are not there yet.17:43
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sdagueI do think we probably need to rethink py26 compat for icehouse, because py26 will stop having security updates17:43
mtreinishdkranz: we can lead the pack17:43
sdagueand I assume the software channel stuff for rhel will be ga by then17:43
dkranzmtreinish: You'll have to lend me a nomex suit.17:43
dkranzsdague: I hope so.17:44
sdaguedkranz / afazekas do you know if red hat's going to be ok with dropping 2.6 once the software channel stuff is GA?17:44
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sdagueI realize it's only beta now17:44
dkranzsdague: Let me find out.17:44
sdagueit would be nice to know, because I'm sure we're going to get asked about python 3 compat soon :)17:44
dkranzsdague: Yes, this really sucks.17:45
sdagueand 2.6 vs. 3 isn't pretty17:45
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sdaguecool, thanks dkranz17:45
sdague#topic Consistent reviewing (afazekas)17:45
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sdagueafazekas: the floor is yours again17:46
afazekassdague: we have too many open reviews, what can we do to make the marge process faster and simpler ?17:46
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afazekasIMHO one thing what we can do, is documenting the exact expectations about what patch can be merged. And we should be less nit picky some times :)17:47
mtreinishafazekas: 30 nonWIP reviews really isn't that much17:47
sdagueso we only have 35 open reviews, which is 10% of the nova queue :)17:47
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sdagueI agree that in reviews we should give people as specific of feedback as possible17:48
afazekasmtreinish: in tempest scale it is very much17:48
dkranzsdague: I don't think what nova does is really relevant.17:48
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dkranzsdague: The problem is that people can work downstream much faster and we don't want people to work downstream.17:48
sdaguewe only have 19 without negative feedback on them17:48
sdague18 if you remove wip17:49
kashyapMaybe this would be useful doc to keep handy when reviewing:17:49
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sdagueand I do think it's ok to be picky some times, I was -1ing a lot of patches that were doing cleanup incorrectly17:49
afazekaskashyap: I very rare read the commit message :)17:49
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sdagueafazekas: the commit message is important :)17:50
dkranzsdague: That is not nitpicking.17:50
afazekaskashyap: I very rarely read the commit message :)17:50
kashyapafazekas, I always browse git commit logs17:50
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kashyapandreaf, it's really important to have all the information right there (without having to click bugs, etc)17:50
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kashyap(Oops, didn't mean to prompt him)17:50
sdaguekashyap: +117:50
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kashyapafazekas, The above document is written by danpb, after experience with a lot of communities like Kernel/KVM, QEMU, Libvirt.17:51
dkranzI think the biggest issue is turnaround time.17:51
kashyapandreaf, I certainly learnt a lot from it (while I'm still new here).17:51
kashyapDarn, I keep prompting him (Sorry, again). :(17:51
dkranzIf turnaround was fast, having to resubmit for a nitpick would not be as much of a problem.17:51
mtreinishkashyap: its a good doc I often point people to it17:52
sdaguedkranz: that's fair, I think it's also fair that if you see patches that others should take a look at, drop it in #openstack-qa17:52
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sdagueI just figured out how to do the enhanced queries, so that "no negative feedback" query is useful17:52
dkranzsdague: If we are all ok with being pinged for reviews on-demand than that would work.17:53
dkranzsdague: Within reason of course.17:53
sdaguedkranz: as long as it's on #openstack-qa17:53
dkranzsdague: Of course.17:53
sdagueand only once a day per review, some times people ping everyone every hour17:53
sdaguethat's no good17:53
kashyapmtreinish, True.17:53
mtreinishsdague: I think -dev would be fine too17:53
sdaguesure -dev is fine as well17:53
sdague-qa has a captive audience though17:54
dkranzsdague: We could also drop the review-by-more-than-one-company policy for a -1 that says I'm +2 after this nitpick is addressed.17:54
sdaguedkranz: yeh, it's only a guideline, if people think it was fixed that's cool17:54
dkranzsdague: +117:54
dkranzsdague: OK, let's give this a try17:54
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afazekaswhat about considering 3 times +1 as a +2 ?17:55
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sdagueafazekas: no17:55
mtreinishafazekas: no17:55
dkranzafazekas: no :)17:55
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sdaguewe have lots of people that put +1s on things17:55
dkranzsdague: one or two more core reviewers wouldn17:55
sdagueby having +2 it means there is trust in your judgement17:55
dkranzt hurt of course.17:55
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sdaguedkranz: yeh, let me run the numbers again, i think some folks were coming up the ranks on reviews17:56
sdagueI was planning to see if we had good folks to propose next week17:56
dkranzsdague: Great!17:56
mkodererwhat numbers count to become a core reviewer?17:56
sdagueI would also encourage folks to use this review query -,n,z17:56
mkodererjust number of reviews?17:56
sdaguemkoderer: reviews17:56
sdaguebut we also want to see judgement17:57
sdagueso correctly -1ing stuff17:57
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mtreinishmkoderer: yeah its not just quantity but quality too17:57
sdaguebecause once you are core, you can approve, and we want to trust that the core members have good judgement in what they keep out of the tree17:57
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dkranzsdague: three minutes for slow test...17:58
sdaguethat review query is the no negative feedback one, and there is no reason that shouldn't be a very short list17:58
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jog0sdague: one thing i found useful was to look for open and approved patches17:58
sdague#topic Separate heat job and slow tests in general (dkranz)17:58
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jog0something that got borked in a rebase17:58
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dkranzany one object to marking tests slow, skipping in full tempest, and having other gate jobs select the tests they want to run17:58
sdaguejog0: well that doesn't actually filter -2, so those would be in that list17:58
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jog0sdague: see
sdaguedkranz: so right now we just have the twin volume test that's > 60s17:59
jog0sdague: at least in nova we sometimes don't require to +2s for a trivial rebase of something already approved17:59
dkranzI sent an email to the list about that.17:59
sdaguedkranz: yeh, lets do it on the list17:59
dkranzsdague: heat?17:59
dkranzsdague: ceilometer is coming18:00
sdaguewell heat is a special case18:00
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sdagueand I think heat should be it's own gate job18:00
dkranzsdague: Only at the moment18:00
sdagueI think ceilo is going to just augment the other tests18:00
dkranzsdague: Right, that's what we said.18:00
dkranzsdague: about ceilo remains to be seen18:00
sdagueso I'd be practical now and start with just heat as a seperate job18:00
sdagueand see if we need a different solution later18:00
dkranzsdague: That's what i was going to do18:01
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sdagueok, I'm cool with that18:01
dkranzBut we need to skip the tests for that job in the main gate18:01
dkranzI propose to do that by marking them slow18:01
sdaguelets try that way18:01
dkranzSo be it.18:01
mtreinishdkranz: just start the service tagging blueprint18:01
mtreinishtag them as heat18:01
mtreinishsame net effect at first18:01
bdpaynelooks like it's time for the OSSG meeting… I'll wait for the previous one to wrap up18:01
dkranzmtreinish: Let's move to qa channel18:01
mtreinishdkranz: ok18:01
sdaguebdpayne: yep, I'll wrap us up now18:02
sdagueok, thanks folks, our time is up18:02
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bdpayne#startmeeting OpenStack Security Group18:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 25 18:02:21 2013 UTC.  The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group'18:02
bdpaynehi OSSG… who do we have here today?18:02
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bdpaynehey guys18:03
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bdpayneI'm hoping hyakuhei is around too18:03
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bdpaynealright, let's get started18:04
bdpayne#topic Previous Action Items18:05
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bdpayneI heard from thomasbiege18:05
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bdpaynehe said that he wouldn't make it, but he has been pushing ahead with seeing how we can integrate more security testing into openstack18:05
bdpayneso that's great18:05
bdpayneI also heard from hyakuhei and he's making good progress on organizing the security issues from the book sprint18:06
bdpayneany other previous actions items that people can speak to?18:06
joel-coffmannone here18:06
bdpaynemalini1 I believe you were going to work on an OSSN for libvirt authentication issues?18:07
malini1I have a little patch working its way to force authentication even on libvirt readonly connections18:07
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malini1hopefully in a day or two it gets comitted -- but that might be famous last words!18:07
bdpayneis that a libvirt patch or a nova patch?18:07
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bdpaynegot it18:07
bdpayneso will this also be written up as an OSSN?18:08
malini1cross checked with Danioel Berrange and Robert Clark that it would be a good thing to have before going ahead18:08
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malini1should we?18:08
bdpaynenot sure, I'm not as familiar with the issue involved18:08
bdpaynedo you have a link to the code review?18:08
malini1i have to add better commit comments18:09
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malini1check on it later18:10
bdpayneok, can do18:10
malini1BTW, I got my hard copies of the book18:10
bdpayneme too :-)18:10
bdpayne#topic OpenStack Summit18:10
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bdpayneFor anyone who is interested, the call for speakers is closing on July 3118:11
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bdpayneit's always good to have lots of security chatter at the summits18:11
bdpayneI know of several security talks submitted already18:12
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bdpaynebut, there's really no such thing as too many submissions18:12
bdpayneanyone else planning on submitting a talk?18:12
malini1this is for main session correct, design sessions will go a ways into Sept/Oct18:12
joel-coffmanwe're thinking of doing another design session18:12
bpbAPL is planning on a design session for the ephemeral disk encryption18:13
bdpaynecorrect, thanks for the clarification malini118:13
bdpaynethis is just for the main session18:13
bdpayneso there's still time on the design session18:13
bdpayneephemeral disk encryption sounds nice18:13
bdpaynejoel-coffman feel free to run ideas by the group here, or on the email list prior to your submission18:14
malini1Joel-coffman -- thinking a joint "workshop" with you guys and the barbican folks to set up and use key manager would be good for volume encryption18:14
bdpayneif that's helpful18:14
malini1once the swift folks did a workshop and it gets people familiar18:14
bdpaynethat would be handy… a tutorial on volume encryption + key management18:14
joel-coffmanyes, that probably would be a good session18:15
malini1folks come in and leave with a VM with everything loaded kind of thing18:15
malini1BTW, I am thinking of doing one on geo-tagging -- design session18:15
joel-coffmannot sure if I can get it approved by our sponsor in time though18:16
bdpaynethat would probably be something for the main conference, rather than a design session18:16
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bdpaynesorry "that" was a reference to the encryption + key management tutorial18:16
malini1the volume encryption code is open source18:16
joel-coffmanbdpayne: agreed18:16
bdpayneI suspect that joel-coffman has additional gates to get permission to speak… even if the code is already out there18:16
malini1and key management open source, so it would not be more exposure t han doing the workshop18:16
malini1ah, :-(18:17
bdpaynejoel-coffman one option could be to let someone else be listed on the talk and you could be a last minute addition if you get approval18:17
joel-coffmanyes, and our volume encryption code is still work in progress as we resolve some lingering issues on the Cinder side18:17
malini1yes, the workshop would be more for main conference18:17
malini1it is real working stuff18:17
bdpayne#action malini1 and joel-coffman to sort out the idea of a main conference session on key management and volume encryption18:18
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bdpaynesound reasonable?18:19
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joel-coffmanyes, sounds reasonable18:19
bdpaynegreat, thanks guys18:19
bdpayne#topic Open Discussion18:19
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bdpayneI don't have anything else specific this week18:19
bdpayneAnyone else have something to discuss?18:20
joel-coffmanno, quiet week18:20
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bpbI don't either18:20
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malini1nothing thank you18:20
bdpayneok then18:20
bdpaynethanks everyone18:20
bdpayneI'll be out next week, but I'll find someone to run the meeting18:21
bpbsee you18:21
bdpayneso that's just an fyi18:21
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harlowja#startmeeting state-management20:12
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 25 20:12:37 2013 UTC.  The chair is harlowja. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:12
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'state_management'20:12
harlowjahi everyone!!!! sorry for being late20:12
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harlowjalunch was slow :-P20:14
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harlowjajlucci yooo20:15
harlowjachangbl hi20:15
changblhi there20:15
harlowjaso sorry about not sending anything out with an agenda (my fault)20:15
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harlowja#topic status20:16
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harlowjai think jlucci is still working on the distrubted stuff, seen a demo, looks pretty cool20:17
harlowjai've been continuing on the threaded_flow, review comments would be awesome if anyone wants them20:17
harlowja*wants to give some20:17
harlowjaafaik also kevin has been finishing up the basics of the database storage for tasks/flows, so thats awesome!20:19
jlucciYupyup. He's also started working on a callback mechanism20:19
harlowjachangbl have u been able to try anything out? comments always welcome :)20:20
harlowja*or anyone else* to, more messing around with it is always welcome20:20
changblharlowja,  looking through the code, hopefully i can contribute some code by next meeting20:20
harlowjachangbl sweet :)20:21
changbljust wonder, what is the status for taskflow with Nova/Cinder?20:21
harlowjaso cinder i am readjusting my initial patch to use the updated library, so that will get usage in the create_volume 'flow' in cinder20:22
harlowjai beleive we have another folk working on the create_snapshot 'flow' also20:22
harlowjahopefully both can get in for H series20:22
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harlowjaas far as nova, afaik not much 'traction' there yet, but i believe there task restructuring is in the same manner that taskflow can readily use20:23
harlowjai am hoping to get some more traction there soon, as soon as i get some of the basics going in cinder :)20:24
harlowjahoping for the best :)20:25
harlowjasound good changbl ?20:25
harlowjaalright, how about we jump into the new mechanism :)20:28
harlowja#topic getting-state-management20:29
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harlowjaso after last week i was going to for now to see about having a oslo like '' mechaism20:30
harlowjaso i pushed something out for that20:30
changblharlowja, sorry, was interrupted by someone chatting with me20:31
changblharlowja, thanks for the status update20:32
harlowjanp :)20:32
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harlowjaso there is a new that we can use until the library is ready20:33
harlowja*similar to oslo20:34
harlowjaso i think thats good20:34
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harlowjathat way no more need to wait around for the library release (which will come soon i think, but maybe not all ready by H-end)20:34
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harlowjaso u can make a similar conf file like oslo that can move the code into taskflow20:36
harlowjaprimitives = flow.linear_flow,flow.graph_flow,task20:36
changbli like the idea of using a similar to oslo20:37
harlowjaya, for now it seems like its a 'ok deal' given the situation20:37
changblwhat is the difference between oslo/ and taskflow/
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harlowjano major difference, pretty similar actually (from the same code actually, slightly modified for taskflow)20:37
harlowjainstead of the oslo value of 'modules' though (to copy modules) i put in the 'primitives' way of copying, since taskflow is more built around primitives instead of modules20:40
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harlowjabut this way seems ok for now20:40
harlowjasound good? :)20:41
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harlowjaso i'm hoping to get cinder stuff finished by mondayish, then we can have it finally get commited :)20:41
harlowjaand then i'll see maybe about trying a nova commit20:42
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harlowjaso hopefully that will work out well20:43
changblit the cinder commit this one:
harlowjaworking on fixing it back up20:43
harlowjawas out on vacation last week, so it is getting old20:44
changblok, seems it has been reviewed from May 20 to now...20:44
harlowjaturtle beats the hare :-P20:45
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harlowja#topic open-discussion20:46
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harlowjaso anything to talk about :)20:47
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harlowjaif nothing thats fine also20:51
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changblfine with me. I will probably sync with you guys on private channels later20:52
harlowjasounds good20:52
harlowjathx all20:52
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Jul 25 20:53:05 2013 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)20:53
harlowjabb :)20:53
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russellb#startmeeting nova21:00
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russellbhello, everyone!21:00
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* geekinutah waves21:00
russellbhappy thursday (or friday)21:00
russellbso I figure we'll spend most of the time going through havana-3 stuff, kind of like we did last week21:01
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russellbbut one thing i wanted to mention first21:01
russellb#topic nova wiki pages21:01
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russellbi started working on a couple of wiki pages this week21:01
russellband i could use help on them, especially the 2nd one21:01
russellbso, first one i'm trying to write down what the core team is, and what's expected of the members21:02
russellbbecause i'm not sure it's really written down anywhere ...21:02
jog0ideally that should be very similar to other core teams21:02
russellbso just trying to be more explicit, but would like feedback on anything missing21:02
russellband the second page i'd like everyone's help with filling in21:02
russellbgoal being that we try to improve our consistency in reviews by writing down things to look for21:03
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russellbjog0: yep, and maybe the page becomes more generic once it's fleshed out.  i can post to the -dev list21:03
jog0russellb: ++ to all of the above21:03
sdaguethere should also be some extra care when looking at db migrations21:04
mikalSounds like a good idea to me21:04
sdaguethat's probably worth calling out21:04
russellbsdague: +121:04
russellbalright, on to havana-321:04
russellb#topic havana-321:04
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russellb93 blueprints, 2 marked as implemented so far.21:05
russellbso let's just crank through what we can21:05
russellbcomstud: alaski: think you can get the cells job working by havana?21:05
russellbright now we have it as a high priority blueprint21:05
alaskiI think it's reasonable to get it running a subset of tests21:06
dansmiththat would be awesome21:06
sdagueit would be good to get it over the devstack exercises rsn21:06
comstudthat's on my list now that i'm back home21:07
sdaguebecause we don't really know what the shape of tempest is21:07
russellbmight end up having to scope this to fixing devstack exercises21:07
russellbbecause at least then, even non-voting with some tempest failures, it's useful21:07
sdaguerealistically cells just aren't being configured in devstack right now from what I can tell21:07
russellbwhereas with where it fails now, not so much21:07
comstudthere seems to be a basic problem in getting any build to work21:07
comstudfrom what I can tell21:07
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russellbyeah, maybe i screwed it up21:08
sdaguethe exercises just die because nova dies on anything21:08
russellbi haven't really had a chance to dig21:08
russellbcells seemed to work with that config for me21:08
alaskiI started to dig and got sidetracked.  I'll spend time with it tomorrow21:08
sdagueI think they'll work once devstack is fixed21:08
comstudThe config seems okay21:08
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russellbok, cool21:08
sdaguerealize there are enough things coming down with devstack-gate that it's not quite a local devstack config21:08
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russellbi think we should definitely aim for having it get pass devstack exercises and into tempest21:08
russellbsdague: yeah, and i didn't test it that way21:09
russellbjoel-coffman: around?21:09
jog0openstack-infra is working on documenting devstack-gate better21:09
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russellbjoel-coffman: how goes encrypted cinder volumes?21:10
russellbjoel-coffman: i marked it as blocked on the cinder side21:10
joel-coffmanthanks, that's still the current status21:10
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russellbnext is a volume weighter function ...21:10
russellbshouldn't be hard to get in21:11
joel-coffmanwe're flushing out a few bugs and will resubmit the Cinder patch next week21:11
russellbjoel-coffman: ok cool21:11
russellbjoel-coffman: let me know if anything changes21:11
russellbcomstud: direct mysql?21:11
russellbstill optimistic for h-3 ?21:11
comstudoptimistic... maybe overly21:11
comstudbut still optimistic21:11
russellbwell we have way too much, if it's something we can punt, let's do it21:11
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comstudlet's revisit next week after I can have time to think21:12
russellbmikal: any progress on libvirt console logging?21:12
mikalrussellb: i got bogged down on reviews for instance delete21:12
mikalSo no21:13
russellboh, i forgot to link to my havana-3 openstack-dev email21:13
russellbcyeoh: v3 api status?  we moved some of it to Icehouse already21:13
cyeohdoing cleanup work post-h2 merge. Most of the focus is moving to testing and docs now21:14
cyeohthere are going to be a *lot* of api sample patches going through at some stage21:14
russellball remaining extensions up for review?21:14
cyeohI was thinking of batching them up to help with the review load but they will be largish (just the nature of api samples)21:15
annegentlecyeoh: I did hear from Kersten this morning about docs, thanks for that.21:15
russellbok, sounds good21:15
cyeohthe extensions are in review, there are a handful of things to demote from core though21:15
cyeohbut nothing big there21:15
cyeohannegentle: oh excellent - trying to work out how we can automate the process21:15
russellbok, will try to find the ones demoting things for core21:16
cyeohas there is currently a lot of manual work involved21:16
annegentlecyeoh: yes it'll be great to get it automated21:16
annegentlerussellb: I invited her to Docs boot camp21:16
cyeohrussellb: oh I meant there are a handful of ones for demotion from core that need to be written still... (eg they are merged, just as core instead of as an extension)21:16
russellbannegentle: awesome21:17
russellbannegentle: speaking of docs bootcamp, i reached out to some of the nova folks to see who might want to come ... no bites yet21:17
russellbannegentle: s/want/can/21:17
russellbwould really like to have a nova rep though21:17
vishycyeoh: is the plan to remove some of the extensions that just extend other extensions?21:17
vishy* er combine would be a better word21:17
annegentlerussellb: yep, ok thanks21:17
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cyeohvishy: yes I think we've caught all of the ones that are just dummy placeholder ones21:18
dansmithwell, some function is being promoted too, right?21:18
cyeohvishy: and some of the others which are plainly just there because that was the only way to extend extensions21:18
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vishycyeoh: cool I could use a link to the info about how to convert v2 to v3 since i need to do it for volume-swap21:18
cyeohvishy: but if you know of any others that you think should be merged, please let us know21:18
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russellbvishy: a straight conversion is pretty easy21:18
russellbvishy: tons of examples that have been merged21:18
russellbvishy: search for "part 1" and "part 2" commits21:19
cyeohvishy, covers most of it21:19
vishyrussellb: ok cool thx21:19
cyeohvishy: though yea looking at examples will probably tell you more :-)21:19
russellbvishy: not sure if you caught it last week, but we decided we're pushing off finalization of v3 to Icehouse21:19
russellbso we'll have it as experimental in Havana, and will tighten it up for Icehouse21:20
russellbok, so before I just keep going down the list, any specific blueprints anyone would like to discuss?21:20
cyeohwe kind of need to work out when we will gate on v3 api tempest tests too as just adding them will blow out the test time (unless we have another vm)21:20
russellbdansmith: boo what21:21
dansmithboo making the gate slower :P21:21
russellbisn't there a tempest testr job now?  heh21:21
dansmithI'm just being silly21:21
* russellb nods21:21
dansmithit does suck to have to create and destroy twice as many guests, but ..21:21
russellbMOAR jobs!21:22
russellbso any specific blueprints or bugs anyone wants to provide an update on?21:22
mriedemrussellb: just fyi that i'm told a patch will be up for this before end of week:
sdagueso the testr job could also use some help in debug. Most of the races are nova things we've tripped up. And it's a mix of tempest and nova bugs from what we can see.21:22
russellbmriedem: ok, blueprint says "not started", could use an update21:23
mriedemrussellb: does launchpad change status when a patch is pushed for it like it does for bugs?21:23
russellbmriedem: only bugs21:23
russellbblueprints are manual21:23
mriedemrussellb: ok, i'll let david know21:24
russellbit's thrilling.21:24
russellbok, well if nobody has specific blueprints they want to discuss, we can move to open discussion21:24
russellbin general, i'm going to have to start aggressively pushing things out to Icehouse that don't look like they have progress21:24
russellb#topic open discussion21:25
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russellbso what else is going on?21:25
dansmithI have seen a bug a couple times,21:25
dansmithonce locally and in jenkins a bit:21:25
dansmithanyone else seeing that?21:25
jog0dansmith: yup21:25
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jog0was gonna say the same thing21:25
dansmithokay, didn't see a bug for it21:25
clarkbdansmith: there is a bug that was opened against openstack-ci21:25
clarkbdansmith: let me find it so it can be moved to nova21:26
dansmithah, okay21:26
russellbclarkb: highlight on "jenkins" ?  heh21:26
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1205022 in openstack-ci "gate-nova-python26 fails build" [Undecided,New]21:26
jog0I saw it for py27 to I think21:26
bnemecI saw that locally too.21:28
* dansmith blames comstud21:28
russellbwell then21:28
russellbwho's going to fix it?  :-)21:28
dansmiththe bug tracker really needs a "to-blame" field21:28
mroddenmake a tag21:29
dansmithI'll look at it21:29
clarkbdansmith: is that so that bugs opened against nova can be blamed on infra?21:29
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dansmithit's instance-related so it's *possible* it's objects related, but I doubt it, given its location21:29
dansmithclarkb: no, we could even hard-code the field to be "comstud" for all I care :P21:29
jog0I am unable to produce it locally21:30
dansmithI saw it once21:30
bnemecIt's inconsistent.21:30
bnemecOne time I got two failures, the next none, the next only one.21:31
jog0this may be python version related21:31
russellbdragondm: around?  i haven't heard/seen anything on versioning notifications21:32
russellbdragondm: have tried to ping a few times :-/21:32
dragondmah, yah, that's been sidelined for awhile, because of other, more pressing work.21:33
russellbdragondm: ok, so should I just push it off to Icehouse?21:33
dragondmyah, for now21:34
russellbdragondm: ok, thanks21:34
comstudwait, wut!?  i didn't do nothin'.21:34
russellbalright any other topics before i shut down the meeting?21:34
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russellbalrighty then21:35
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