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devanandahi all! who's here for the ironic meeting?19:00
jdobi am19:00
* NobodyCam is19:00
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jog0is lurking19:00
devananda#startmeeting ironic19:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug  5 19:00:38 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)"19:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic'19:00
devanandawelcome :)19:00
NobodyCam:)19:01
devanandaas usual, here's a link to the agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic19:01
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devanandaromcheg might not be around for some of the meeting, so i'd like to let him cover his topics first19:01
devanandawhich, iirc, is keystone integration, and possibly devstack?19:01
romchegso19:02
romchegthank you for letting me to be the first reporter19:02
romchegI have spoken to the guy who is fixing the keystone bug. He was about to commit the patch today or tomorrow.19:03
romchegAs soon as it it landed to keystone, we can add v3 domains support19:03
devanandagreat!19:03
romchegnext: devstack19:04
romchegIt works on my environment, but I was not able to make it to get installed on a clean VM yet19:05
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romchegI arranged a meeting with some guys familiar with it so tomorrow I will ask questions to them19:05
romchegthat's the progress19:06
devanandaromcheg: i also know a fair bit about devstack (or did a few months ago). happy to help if i can19:06
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NobodyCamromcheg: do you have a smaple of the error you can pastebin to us19:06
romchegNot now, I'm here from an iPad19:06
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NobodyCamahh :)19:07
romcheglet's do that tomorrow19:07
NobodyCamyou got it :)19:07
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romchegNobodyCam: thanks19:07
jdobromcheg: when that's all up and working, how would I know? is there an ironic mailing list that you'd announce it on?  (new here, sorry if that's a dumb question)19:07
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devanandajdob: we use the [Ironic] tag on subject lines to the openstack-dev list19:08
jdobexcellent, thanks19:08
NobodyCamthank you romcheg :)19:08
romchegI will post an announce when ironic support is merged to devstack19:08
romchegThanks again for your attention. I have a few questions for an open discussion so you will see me again today :)19:09
NobodyCam:)19:09
devanandaromcheg: once your devstack code is at a point you can share // others might be able to experiment with it, i'd also like to take a look, even if its just on github :)19:09
romchegdevananda: sure19:10
devanandaromcheg: thanks for the report! enjoy cooking :)19:10
devanandaok, back to the scheduled agenda --19:10
romchegthanks19:10
* NobodyCam notes romcheg is bringing the food19:10
devananda#topic tripleo / diskimage-builder integration19:10
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devanandaNobodyCam: it sounded like you are really close to this?19:10
NobodyCamoh thats me19:10
NobodyCam:)19:10
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NobodyCamI have been using the ironic element to work with deva on the conductor issue19:11
GheRiveroo/19:11
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NobodyCamI will be proposing that element to triple-o today (i hope)19:12
devanandaNobodyCam: cool, thanks!19:13
NobodyCamthe conf set is very min at this point but does seem to mostly working19:13
devanandaNobodyCam: have you talked at all with pleia about integration with TOCI?19:13
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NobodyCamI have not. I will19:14
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devanandak. it may be too early -- i'm not sure TOCI is functioning yet -- but that should be on both of your radar :)19:14
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NobodyCamwill do.19:14
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devanandak, moving on19:15
devananda#topic glance image utils19:15
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devanandaGheRivero: hi! it looked really close to landing, and then ....19:15
GheRiveroyeah. some one complaint about glance v2 api support, that wasn-t even in glanceclient, ut solved now19:15
GheRiveroI know some people is starting to working on features on top of the image service, so holefully that will force reviews to clean the queue19:16
devanandafor reference -19:16
devananda#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33327/19:16
devanandaso it looks like we need to just get a few reviews on that again, yes?19:17
GheRiveroyeah, but i have contact some revierw in the #openstack-glance channel19:17
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GheRiveroand i will start complaining all the days :)19:17
devanandak19:17
devanandaflaper87: don't suppose you're around?19:17
devanandawe'd love another review of ^ :)19:18
devanandaGheRivero: sometimes offers of beer also work ;)19:18
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devanandaany sense of whether this will land in glanceclient in Havana?19:19
NobodyCamwhen in final cut off date?19:19
GheRiveroi hope so. Anyway, i have a local ironic review updated just in case19:19
devanandaif not, i'm inclined to land the ironic port of it that you had up, just so we can proceed with testing the PXE driver over the next few months19:19
jog0devananda: clients don't have the same release cycle19:20
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devanandaNobodyCam: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Havana_Release_Schedule19:20
devanandajog0: right, thanks. but my point is to use this functionality in ironic soon, we either need it in glanceclient, or we take a temporary (and large) patch, then revert it when glanceclient merges & releases19:21
GheRiverouhm... too close. i will give it one more week19:21
devananda* the equivalent patch19:21
devanandaGheRivero: ack, thanks19:21
devanandaGheRivero: any updates on the PXE patch? it seems like it's just blocked on glance still?19:22
devananda*glanceclient19:22
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GheRiverowaiting for it. I tested if manually and works, so once the image service is there, should be pretty quickly19:23
devanandaawesome!19:24
devanandathanks for the updates19:24
devananda#topic ipmi name conflict19:24
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devanandalinggao: around?19:24
linggaohi devananda19:25
linggaoyes19:25
NobodyCamhey linggao :)19:25
linggaobasically, I am trying to add the native python ipmi driver into ironic. It depends on the native ipmi code that jbjonso wrote (python-ipmi) which is installed on ./.tox/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/ipmi/.  So in my driver code native-ipmi.py, I have19:25
linggaofrom ipmi import command as ipmi_command19:25
linggaobut there is a ipmi.py on the same directory ironic/drivers/modules/. The import failed with "module not found error".  How to resolve this name conflict?19:25
devanandarenaming ironic/drivers/modules/ipmi.py should be a fairly self-contained patch19:26
devanandaand seems reasonable to me19:26
devanandaeg, to ironic/drivers/modules/ipmitool.py19:26
linggaodo we have larger issue here for name convention?19:27
devanandahm19:28
devanandaconflict is between a module in the same dir vs. a global module19:28
linggaoyes,19:28
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jdobIMO, that's a fairly rare occurrence19:29
linggaowe may encounter the same problem later if we pull in another globle module.19:29
devanandait seems fairly rare for global python modules to use short and generic names like "ipmi" or "pxe" or "ssh"19:29
jdobi ran into it once having a file named rpm.py and it masking an existing rpm library, but that's the only time I've run into it19:30
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linggaoshould jbjonso change the path ipmi to something more unique?19:30
NobodyCamlinggao: that was my thought to19:30
jdobif that's possible, it might be worth it. a name that generic sounds like it comes from python itself19:31
NobodyCamI pinged jbjohnso_ in ironic but I don't think he is around19:31
linggaoso either we make our module/file name more unique, or we require the globle modules be more unique.19:31
* NobodyCam like the idea of changing the rest of the world to fix iRonic19:32
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NobodyCam*likes19:32
jdob:)19:32
linggao:)19:32
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NobodyCambut we may not be able to in other cases19:33
jdobmaybe i'll submit my patch that contains sys.py afterall  :)19:33
devanandai think this is a unique situation since python-ipmi is developed by us19:34
devanandaso yea, renaming that is definitely possible, and i can see that the name is so short it appears built-in19:34
devanandai was trying to brose pypi to see if there are other examples of non-python-native modules with trivially short names19:34
devanandaso while I think that's probably better for the python-ipmi project itself19:35
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devanandawe may still want to rename ironic/drivers/modules/ipmi.py so that it is clear this one is "ipmitool" and the one linggao is developing is "native-ipmi"19:36
devanandai am leaning towards both :)19:36
linggaoyes.19:36
NobodyCamdevananda: ++19:36
devanandacool. linggao - want to do that rename patch?19:36
NobodyCamthats a file name and setup.cfg update?19:37
linggaoyes. I'll do it.19:37
jdob+1 to both19:37
devanandaNobodyCam: no. file name change, then change several imports. setup.cfg shouldn't have to change as that points to the driver, not the driver.module19:37
linggaoso ipmi.py will be renamed to ipmi-cmd.py, is that ok?19:37
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linggaoor ipmitool.py?19:38
devanandalinggao: and then the new one will be ipmi-native.py?19:38
linggaotes19:38
linggaoyes19:38
NobodyCamya19:38
devanandalet's avoid the '-' in a file name19:38
devanandasorry, thinking out loud :)19:38
NobodyCam:-p19:39
* NobodyCam votes ipmitool & ipminative19:39
devanandayea19:39
devananda++19:39
linggaoactually new one is native_ipmi.py19:39
linggaois _ oky in the name?19:40
devananda'_' is ok, yes19:40
jdobpersonally, i'm partial to _ in a name, but i'm also not a dev here :)19:40
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devanandak, well, let's move on. we can nit pick over names after the meeting :)19:41
linggao+19:41
NobodyCam:)19:41
devananda#actoin linggao to rename drivers/modules/ipmi.py19:41
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devananda#action jbjohnso to rename python-ipmi module, too19:41
jdobdevananda: fyi, typo in action on the first one19:41
devananda#action linggao to rename drivers/modules/ipmi.py19:41
devananda#topic all the API stuff19:42
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devanandait seems lucas isn't with us today19:42
devanandamartyntaylor: ah! hi! you're here :)19:42
NobodyCamhave we covered the conductor issue?19:42
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martyntaylordevananda: I am indeed :D19:42
devanandaNobodyCam: ahha! that's not on the agenda, thanks for the reminder.19:43
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devanandawe've been moving a bit slowly today and are running low on time, so let's run through the API and conductor issue (sorry)19:43
devanandanested objects looks like it's done19:44
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devanandai haven't seen any patches for subresources yet, but i imagine lucas will tackle that next19:44
devanandano movement that i'm aware of on the WSME error code work (waiting on upstream)19:45
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devanandaand martyntaylor, any thoughts on the PUT v PATCH discussion?19:45
martyntaylordevananda: yeah19:45
martyntaylordevananda: I've already conveyed these to lucas, so he may have already mentioned it19:45
martyntaylordevananda: Given we have limited time, I suggest choosing one method of update19:46
martyntaylor(for v1.0 I mean)19:46
devanandaright19:46
martyntaylorif you are going to implement it, then do it right to start19:46
martyntaylorso this means implementing PUT properly or PATCH properly19:46
NobodyCampatch makes sense to /me19:46
martyntaylorboth have drawbacks and positive aspects19:47
devanandayea. my hackish implementation of PATCH is completely not to spec, and from what lucas found, it's going to be hard to do it to spec with Pecan right now :(19:47
martyntaylorbut PUT imo seems more standard and easier to implement19:47
devanandaI beleive we need PATCH, though, based on the way that we plan to do RESTful state changes19:47
devanandaeg, PATCH /nodes/123 {'power_state': 'ON'}19:48
martyntaylordevananda: I'd be suprised if there is stuff that is not acheivable in PUT (though maybe less than optimal)19:48
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devanandaI dont think we can reasonable expect a client to retransmit the entire object -- including the node's IPMI credentials -- for every metadata or state change19:48
devanandamartyntaylor: so can we do partial changes with PUT?19:49
martyntaylordevananda: so19:49
martyntaylordevananda: the object model should be sufficiently flexible19:49
martyntaylorin this case19:49
martyntaylorPUT nodes/123/state19:49
devanandaaaaah. gotcha19:50
NobodyCamahhh19:50
devanandarather than PUT nodes/123 {'state': ...}. I see :)19:50
NobodyCamthat would work for us19:50
martyntayloryeah I think I have examples in the spec, maybe not for state but for things like driver_info19:50
devanandayep. lucas just implemented something similar for nested resources, eg. /nodes/123/ports19:50
devanandaright. driver_info and parameters are described as sub-resources19:51
martyntayloryeah I had a chat with lucas last week about nested resources19:51
devanandanested dicts19:51
jdobstate isn't exactly a nested resource though (strictly speaking from a REST point of view)19:51
martyntayloror sub resources*19:51
devanandajdob: right19:51
martyntaylorit's a resource if we say its a resource right19:51
martyntaylorit's different to a top level resource in that it only ever lives at /nodes/123/19:52
devanandamartyntaylor: i think this'll work19:53
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devanandait's not in the current spec - you or lucas will need to add it so its documented - but just as other properties of a node are exposed as a nested resource currently, i think this is fine19:53
jdobwhat's neat is then you have GET and (for other such attributes where appropriate) DELETE for manipulating them19:53
jdobthat may be easier than having the body of the PUT be just a delta on the object19:54
devanandaGET /nodes/123/state is certainly going to be useful19:54
martyntaylordevananda: yeah sure, I think it was purposefully left out, because we couldn;t decide on the state model19:54
martyntaylordevananda: but happy to add it19:54
devanandamartyntaylor: indeed, i'm pretty sure you're right :)19:54
devanandabut it sounds like we have (now)19:54
martyntaylorsure19:54
devanandaok. we're almost out of time19:54
devanandaso moving on19:55
devananda#topic conductor unable to load drivers19:55
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devanandalike the topic says :(19:55
devanandai did a hack to fix it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39617/19:55
devanandaand need to update it with feedback from dhellmann_19:55
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devanandawill do that today :)19:55
devananda#topic open discussion19:56
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martyntaylordevananda: do you guys have a talk submitted to Havana Summit?19:56
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NobodyCamThank you all for your votes!19:56
devanandamartyntaylor: yes. I'll be giving a status update, I believe19:56
devanandamartyntaylor: lifeless will also be talking about tripleo19:57
martyntaylorexcellent19:57
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devanandamartyntaylor: and i believe we will have a design track for Ironic. I dont have the details yet, but I'm expecting it to be a half-day or so, as we're still a fairly small project (when compared to nova, glance, etc)19:57
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devanandamartyntaylor: so i'll put out a notice to the list as soon as I have info on that19:57
martyntaylorawesome19:57
martyntaylordevananda: cheers19:58
NobodyCamtwo minute bell19:59
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jbjohnso_I came along19:59
devanandaanyone else have topics / announces ?19:59
devanandajbjohnso_: hi there!19:59
NobodyCamhey jbjohnso_ we pick in #ironic19:59
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NobodyCam*we'll pick up in ..20:00
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lifelessmorning20:00
devanandak, thanks everyone for joining!20:00
NobodyCammorning lifeless :)20:00
devananda#endmeeting20:00
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devanandag'morning, lifeless :)20:00
jdobthanks everyone :)20:00
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lifeless#topic agenda20:01
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lifeless     bugs20:01
lifeless    Grizzly test rack status20:01
lifeless    CI virtualized testing progress20:01
lifeless    open discussion20:01
lifeless#topic bugs20:01
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lifeless     https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/20:01
lifeless    https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/20:01
lifeless    https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config20:01
lifeless    https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config20:01
lifeless    https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config20:01
lifelessdevananda: morning devananda :)20:01
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jog0I have a minor update on https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/118448420:04
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1184484 in tripleo "Quantum default settings will cause deadlocks due to overflow of sqlalchemy_pool" [Critical,Triaged]20:04
lifelessugh, sec, destructo cat20:04
jog0which is I was unable to reproduce20:04
lifelessjog0: interesting20:05
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lifelessjog0: we can still make it happen in the POC, which you have access to now20:05
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jog0lifeless: in that case lets sync up after the meeting and work on it20:06
lifelessok20:06
lifelessbug 118224920:07
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1182249 in tripleo "quantum configuration is overly hardcoded" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118224920:07
lifelessand bug 118322320:07
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1183223 in tripleo "nova-compute.yaml missing parameters" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118322320:07
lifelessboth spzala20:07
lifelessbah20:07
lifelessboth SpamapS20:07
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lifelessthe three key POC bugs have noone on them yet.20:08
lifelessWe probably need a volunteer?20:08
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lifelessSpamapS: ping?20:10
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SpamapSlifeless: pong sorry20:10
* SpamapS got distracted and lost track of time20:10
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SpamapSlifeless: re the POC bugs.. I've been working on 1202322 so long, have not even really had time to think about them.20:12
SpamapSbug 120232220:12
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1202322 in tripleo "cfn-hup restarts everything every 5 minutes because of heat-localip" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120232220:12
SpamapSlifeless: I think it may be solved now that we have os-collect-config in t-i-e .. have not had a chance to check yet though.20:12
lifelessI will follow up with markmcclain about https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/118938520:12
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1189385 in tripleo "quantum-server hung up it's listening port" [Critical,Triaged]20:12
SpamapSlifeless: then bug 1182249 and bug 1183223 will be mostly about reviewing them to see if they still apply and addressing the issues left over.20:13
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1182249 in tripleo "quantum configuration is overly hardcoded" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118224920:13
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1183223 in tripleo "nova-compute.yaml missing parameters" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118322320:13
lifelessok20:13
lifelessis there anything the rest of the team can do to help you ?20:13
SpamapStest .. first bit landed today20:14
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SpamapSand hopefully we can roll the rest out today20:14
lifelessok20:14
lifelessany other bugs for discussion ?20:14
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* SpamapS may have tunnel vision, so no20:15
lifelessok20:16
lifelessso20:16
lifelessGrizzly test rack status20:16
lifeless#agenda Grizzly test rack status20:16
lifelessThis is unchanged as far as I know20:16
lifelessI got jog0 access to it on friday20:16
lifelessremember we do have spare machines in the rack, someone just needs to climb through the records to resurrect them; contact me for the spreadsheet if you wish to do that20:17
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SpamapSwe still basically only have one shared vlan tho right?20:17
mordredthe space machines should be in separated vlans20:17
lifelessthere is some confusion around what did and did not get done to the network20:18
lifelessthat is one of the things to dig into20:18
lifelessI've been told with great authority conflicting things :)20:18
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lifelessDepending on which things are false there are 1/2/3 broadcast domains in the rack's native vlans, ignoring the IPMI connections20:19
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lifelessok, - hopefully someone will find the time soon.20:20
lifelessmoving on20:20
lifeless#topic CI virtualized testing progress20:20
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pleia2o/20:20
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lifelessthe mic is open20:21
pleia2so last week I narrowed down the instructions I should be useing to get basic seed going20:21
pleia2still iscsi errors20:21
lifelessok20:21
lifelesscan we do a focused buddy-debug session today ?20:21
pleia2I did some tcpdumps to try to pinpoint what exactly the problem is (and what it's doing) but so far haven't been able to narrow down the dumps to be specific enough to be useful20:22
pleia2so I think a better understanding of what it's trying to do would help20:22
pleia2lifeless: that'd be great20:22
pleia2once I understand what it's doing with iscsi I can do more direct, exact testing20:22
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lifelessok20:23
pleia2oh, devananda also let me know that we'll need a new power manager driver when we go to lxc20:23
lifelessfor the record, what it does is repartition the disk and then copy the raw image onto it20:23
pleia2since the current one is specifically for kvm, said to follow up with NobodyCam when I'm at that point20:23
SpamapShm20:24
lifelesswe don't need a new power manager, as we're not planning on using lxc to emulate physical nodes; just the bare metal compute controller.20:24
lifelessAIUI.20:24
SpamapSunless we use libvirt_lxc ;)20:24
devanandapleia2: you'll need a few new bits inside of virtual_power_driver_settings, but that should be it -- not a whole new power driver20:24
pleia2ah, ok20:24
lifelessdevananda: ^20:24
devanandaor, not :)20:24
SpamapSah, and what he said20:24
pleia2even better then, thanks20:24
lifelesslxc vm's can't boot arbitrary kernels, so make poor test beds for emulated hardware.20:24
lifelessAIUI, IMBW.20:24
lifelessanyhow, after-meeting.20:25
devanandalifeless: i believe you're right on that. containers in general dont, AFAIK, diverge from the host's kernel very well20:25
pleia2that's it from me20:25
lifeless#optic open discussion20:26
lifelessbah20:26
lifeless#topic open discussion20:26
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lifelessAnyone that hasn't booked travel yet, you really should :)20:26
ccrouchis there an agenda available for the Seattle meeting?20:26
ccrouchin case people cant make it to the whole week20:26
SpamapSdevananda: heh, LXC absolutely can't diverge from host kernel.. since LXC is really just namespaced syscalls.20:27
lifelessccrouch: good point; lets start an etherpad and discuss some broad  buckets of timing on the list20:27
SpamapSccrouch: good point. We should probably write one up now that we have a rough idea of the attendance.20:27
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lifelessccrouch: it is a working sprint rather than a series-of-meetings however, so there is only so much contact-with-the-enemy we can predict20:28
ccrouchok gotya, understood20:28
devanandaSpamapS: i was being cautious in my statement, just in case there is some crazy way to do it with openvz or something else that i'm unaware of20:29
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lifelessccrouch: https://etherpad.openstack.org/tripleo-havana-sprint20:30
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ccrouchlifeless: thanks, to a certain extent the agenda may impact which days to attend, and who should attend, so I appreicate you putting that up20:32
lifelessccrouch: suggestions welcome!20:32
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SpamapSccrouch: of course, like any good agenda, it will be exploded and unrecognizable by the end of day 2.20:36
ccrouch:-)20:37
ccrouchi will pass the URL around20:37
ccrouchBTW how much interest is there in topics which are targetted at the newer/occasional patch contributor? versus the jedi-level of yourself and SpamapS20:37
lifelessthe broad theme is to get tripleo in shape to handle H well20:37
lifelessa second theme is to work with interested folk in a high bandwidth environment to do what they are interested in doing.20:38
lifelessI'll be extremely happy if anyone that pops in works on what they want and will actively help out with those things.20:38
lifelessscaling up the team is more important than any single work item IMO20:38
SpamapSagreed20:39
SpamapSI see value in gathering entry level work around a couple of days20:39
SpamapSseems like the first 2 days would be the days to do that.20:39
lifelessjog0: heh, itworld didn't contact me for comment :)20:40
lifelessSpamapS: agreed20:40
SpamapSand then Wednesday.. the jedi trials. ;)20:40
lifelesswe can open thursday with some yoga - sith salutation20:40
ccrouchlol20:40
SpamapSbuddah on lotus opens the shakras for infinite recursion20:41
SpamapSOk I've dropped my suggestions tin.20:41
SpamapSin20:41
SpamapSlifeless: want to send that to the ML and we can sort of ratify it next Monday?20:42
lifelesssure20:42
SpamapSthen anybody who hasn't booked yet can choose the days they want if they can't handle drink^H^H^H^Heveloping with all of us all week.20:43
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lifelessdreveloping ?20:43
lifelessoh no, there are 4 ^H's, interpreter error.20:44
SpamapShaha20:44
lifelessok, I think we're done here.20:44
lifelesslast call for stuff20:44
SpamapSmaybe you've been dreveloping?20:44
lifelessno, but I do have some pink champagne from duty free.20:44
lifelessPerhaps I should try it :)20:44
* SpamapS seconds the motion that this should end.. soon20:45
lifeless#endmeeting20:45
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salv-orlandoaloha20:57
mesteryhi!20:58
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RajeshMohanHi21:00
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pcm_hi all21:00
markmcclainemagana_, nati_ueno: around ?21:00
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nati_uenohi!21:01
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markmcclain#startmeeting Networking21:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug  5 21:01:31 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:01
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markmcclain#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings21:01
emagana_hello all!21:02
markmcclain#topic Announcements21:02
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SumitNaiksatamhi21:02
markmcclain#info Bug Day August 8th21:02
enikanorov_hi21:02
markmcclainThe number of open unresolved open bugs is currently hovering around 20021:03
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markmcclainThursday will be a good time to work on closing some21:04
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med_so more if a Bug Squashing Day than Bug Generating Day21:04
med_s/if a/of a/21:05
armaxare all of the 200 unassigned?21:05
markmcclainmed_: If we find add new bugs that ok too21:05
markmcclainarmax:  it is a mix21:05
armaxk21:05
markmcclainsome of the unassigned bugs need to be reviewed to make sure they still apply21:05
markmcclainThe other quickly approaching deadline is August 23rd21:06
markmcclainThat is the last day to propose code for Havana21:07
markmcclain#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/FeatureProposalFreeze21:07
* salv-orlando I fainted as I read "this is" instead of "that is"21:07
markmcclainhaha… we still have a bit of work to do21:07
markmcclain#info End of day August 23rd is Feature Proposal Freeze21:08
markmcclainhttps://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/havana-321:08
markmcclainOverall for H3 we're looking ok21:09
markmcclain9 implemented and another 20 in some state of review21:09
markmcclainwe've got 15 or so that need code21:10
markmcclain#topic Bugs21:10
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markmcclainThanks to nati_ueno for working on the gate problem test21:11
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nati_uenoit is start vorting again21:11
markmcclainThe infra team changed the neutron devstack gate to voting21:11
mesteryGreat work nati_ueno!21:11
nati_uenomestery: Thanks21:12
markmcclainwhich helps to prevent bit rot21:12
lifelessmarkmcclain: speaking of deadlines, what about dkehn's bare metal support patches ?21:12
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markmcclainlifeless: those patches have been set of a high priority item for H321:13
markmcclainlast I checked there were outstanding comment on the server patchset21:13
lifelessmarkmcclain: cool! dkehn keeps running into hiccups and issues; -really- keen to get it landed ;)21:13
markmcclainsame here21:13
lifelessah! dkehn ^21:13
markmcclainWe currently don21:14
markmcclain't have any critical bugs to talk about21:14
markmcclainany bugs that need to brought up to the team?21:14
lifelessmarkmcclain: I have a non-critical that I need to ping you about; not sure if the meeting is the right place.21:15
markmcclain#topic Docs21:15
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emagana_2nd round of name changes has been completed and successfully merged21:15
markmcclainlifeless: we chat offline about it21:15
lifelessmarkmcclain: ack21:15
nati_uenoemagana_: great job!21:16
emagana_I am now chasing individuals bugs and also reading the whole guide making sure everything make sense21:16
emagana_I may bother people asking for links update21:16
emagana_There are plenty of externals links in the manuals pointing to un-updated wikis21:16
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markmcclainthanks for looking for those21:17
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emagana_VPNaaS and FWaaS can be reported by nati_ueno and SumitNaiksatam21:17
emagana_nati_ueno: Thanks!21:17
emagana_Thats all from my side!21:17
markmcclainnati_ueno: how are the VPN docs progressing?21:18
nati_uenomarkmcclain: no update for docs yet.21:18
pcm_markmcclain: I'm working on API for VPN21:18
markmcclainpcm_: cool21:19
nati_uenopcm_: Thanks21:19
pcm_np21:19
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markmcclainSumitNaiksatam: Any updates on the FWaaS docs?21:19
emagana_nati_ueno: I can help if you need it!21:19
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: i am just getting started21:19
markmcclainok21:19
nati_uenoemagana_: Thanks. I'm waiting the driver patch is merged. Because it may be changed21:20
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markmcclainAny other questions on docs?21:20
markmcclain#topic API21:20
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rkukurawe need to get ml2 info into the docs at some point soon21:20
markmcclain#undo21:20
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markmcclainrkukura: correct21:20
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mesteryrkukura: I can help with that.21:21
markmcclainI'll add that as a major doc item we'll be tracking the rest of this cycle21:21
rkukurasounds good - thanks mestery and markmcclain21:21
markmcclain#topic API21:22
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markmcclainsalv-orlando: hi21:22
salv-orlandohi21:22
salv-orlandoMostly quiet today. We've merged FW and VPN extensions.21:22
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salv-orlandoWe still have a few extensions outstanding21:23
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salv-orlandobut all the API-related items are already under review21:23
salv-orlandoany question?21:23
markmcclaingreat to hear21:23
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markmcclain# topic VPN21:24
nati_uenoOK Thanks. DB part is merged.21:24
nati_uenoso waiting ipsec driver is meged21:24
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nati_uenoI got +2 from Akihiro.21:24
nati_uenomarkmcclain: Do you have some concerns fro the patch?21:24
markmcclainnati_ueno: I need to circle back on the driver now that ctypes was replaced with mount21:25
nati_uenomarkmcclain: gotcha Thanks21:25
nati_uenoThat's all from my side21:25
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markmcclainThanks for updating21:25
markmcclain#topic FWaaS21:26
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SumitNaiksatamhi21:26
SumitNaiksatamDriver patch is ready, agent patch needs to add one more response to an outstanding comment, CLI (needs one more +2) and Horizon are also ready21:26
SumitNaiksatamwe have SridarK and RajeshMohan today (back from India)21:27
markmcclainSumitNaiksatam: great looks like we have plenty of core coverage on the open reviews21:27
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: yes, in my opinion the CLI is ready to right away21:27
SumitNaiksatamagent should be ready by tomorrow or so21:28
SumitNaiksatamdriver is already ready but will need to wait for agent21:28
SumitNaiksatami sent out the proposal on the explicit commit on firewall21:28
SumitNaiksatamgot positive feedback21:28
SumitNaiksatamare we all fine in making this change?21:28
SumitNaiksatamthat is changing from the current implicit commit to explicit commit?21:29
mesterySumitNaiksatam: The explicit commit model is fine with me.21:29
SumitNaiksatammestery: thanks21:29
salv-orlandowe're adding a bit of state management in restful APIS21:29
salv-orlandowhich should be stateless21:29
salv-orlandobut that said21:29
salv-orlandowe've violated principles so many times21:30
salv-orlandothat I just risk sounding pedant21:30
enikanorov_haha21:30
salv-orlandoand also I don't have a viable alternative21:30
salv-orlandoso I should shut up21:30
SumitNaiksatamsalv-orlando: :-)21:30
* salv-orlando doing that now21:30
SumitNaiksatamany thoughts from others?21:30
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SumitNaiksatamshould we submit a patch?21:31
nati_uenoSumitNaiksatam: I wanna know implementation plan21:31
markmcclainthe details are always the big hangup21:31
nati_uenoWTF, the agent restareted with uncomit change?21:31
SumitNaiksatamnati_ueno: WTF? :-)21:31
nati_uenoaaa sorry typo21:31
nati_uenoWhat's if21:32
SumitNaiksatamnati_ueno: that can be handled21:32
SumitNaiksatami will put this in a spec21:32
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nati_uenoso server side keeps previous state?21:32
markmcclainSumitNaiksatam: I think writing a BP is a logical next step21:32
jjthesupervisercan I assign to the driver api implantation?21:32
SumitNaiksatami will add it to the existing google doc21:32
SumitNaiksatamnati_ueno: yes, it has both pending and committed changes21:32
SumitNaiksatamit -> server21:32
markmcclaingiven the late stage in the cycle.. I'd rather track this separately21:33
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: separately as in a different blueprint?21:33
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markmcclainyes21:33
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: yeah sure21:33
jjthesupervisercan I?21:33
SumitNaiksatami am fine not putting this change for H, however i think its something that is required, so better have it before people really start using this21:34
SumitNaiksatamhence this suggestion21:34
SumitNaiksatami will put the blueprint out21:34
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SumitNaiksatamSridarK, RajeshMohan anything else to add?21:34
RajeshMohanNothing from side...21:35
SridarKwill push out review comments responses in the next day21:35
SridarKfor Agent21:35
markmcclainSumitNaiksatam: agreed… timing is my biggest concern… three weeks is a real short timeline21:35
salv-orlandoSumitNaiksatam: If I get the proposal right, this would change the API in a backward incompatible way. So better have a blueprint soon.21:35
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: i am fine either way21:35
SumitNaiksatamsalv-orlando: yes, sure21:35
salv-orlandoas we'd rather avoid a bw incompatible change after Havana is released21:35
markmcclain+121:36
SumitNaiksatamsalv-orlando: thats right, hence the suggestion to do now, versus later21:36
SumitNaiksatamthat is assuming we want to do it this way21:36
markmcclain#action SumitNaiksatam to file BP on rule commit changes21:37
markmcclainAny other questions for FWaaS team/21:37
markmcclain#topic LBaaS21:37
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enikanorov_hi21:38
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markmcclainLooks like most of the changes have just minor clean up items21:38
enikanorov_there is one major patch on review - integration of lbaas plugin with service types.21:38
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enikanorov_Akihiro did initial review21:38
enikanorov_I'd like salv-orlando and nati_ueno to take a look also21:39
markmcclainhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/38120/21:39
enikanorov_as they participated in service types discussion a lot21:39
markmcclainsalv-orlando: do you have cycles to look at this?21:39
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salv-orlandoI will find cycles21:39
markmcclainthanks21:39
nati_uenoenikanorov_: gotcha21:40
markmcclainAnything else?21:40
enikanorov_there are two outstanding items - some driver/agent infrastructure refactoring made by obondarev to simplify plugin-driver implementation for vendors21:40
enikanorov_to be pushed on review this week21:40
enikanorov_and delegating port creation to driver21:40
enikanorov_that one is a part of 'multiple vips per pool' BP which full impl could be postponed to I21:41
enikanorov_that's all from lbaas side21:42
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markmcclainthanks for the update21:43
markmcclain#topic ML221:43
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markmcclainmestery, rkukura: hi21:43
mesteryMy only update here is that support for ML2 with OVS/LB agents is now in devstack.21:43
markmcclaingreat work21:43
mesteryIt would be great to have people try this out and report any issues (ML2 related).21:44
rkukurathis include gre and vxlan support21:44
mesteryYes, VLAN, VXLAN, and GRE support.21:44
markmcclainnice21:44
nati_uenorkukura: mestery: awesome work!21:44
med_woot.21:44
mesteryOn the MechanismDriver front, we're starting to see some MechanismDrivers show up now in BPs and code.21:44
gongyshmestery: do we have wiki page about how to use devstack for ml2?21:44
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nati_uenoI wanna know localrc21:45
mesterygongysh: Yes: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/ML2#Using_ML2_in_Devstack21:45
gongyshthanks21:45
nati_uenoWhen we make ML2 as default in devstack?21:45
mesteryWe're working on an OpenDaylight MechanismDriver now as well, and hope to get that in for H3 yet.21:45
mesterynati_ueno: Soon, I hope. I need to talk to Dean and Troy this week about that.21:45
mestery^^^ Dean and Sean21:46
uvirtbotmestery: Error: "^^" is not a valid command.21:46
nati_uenomestery: Thanks21:46
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markmcclainAny other questions for ML2 team?21:46
rkukuraAt this point, I suggest we require all new merges to include support for ml2 for anything they do to openvswitch or linuxbridge21:46
nati_uenomestery: may be, if neutron-team agrees to let ML2 as default,21:46
nati_uenomestery: we can do it just changing default plugin on devstack21:47
mesterynati_ueno: Yes, but I'd still like to get their input and blessing. :)21:47
nati_uenomestery: gotcha :)21:47
mesteryrkukura: I agree, and I've been noting that in review already too.21:47
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markmcclainrkukura: I'm fine enforcing that policy21:47
rkukuraI noticed we missed ext-gw-mode extension for ml2, so will file bug for that21:47
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mesteryrkukura: Good catch, thanks!21:48
salv-orlandorkukura: It was merged before ML221:48
salv-orlandoit should be super-trivail because21:48
salv-orlandoit's L321:48
markmcclainrkukura: thanks for filing it21:48
rkukuraagreed21:48
markmcclain#topic Stable Branch21:49
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markmcclaingaryk couldn't make it today21:49
markmcclainThe stable branch is currently frozen21:49
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markmcclainIf something is missing please let me and garyk know.21:50
markmcclain#topic Open Discussion21:51
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salv-orlandoI wanted to give you an heads up on Bug 120740221:51
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1207402 in neutron "neutron should automatically stamp the database version when it is deployed" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120740221:51
salv-orlandoBasically now that we have migrations, the mechanism that auto-generates the schema is superfluous if not dangerous21:52
markmcclainagreed21:52
salv-orlandodangerous because it does not stamp to any version21:52
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salv-orlandoand also because it does not perform table deletion or update (like when you add an attribute)21:52
salv-orlandoso we're removing it21:53
salv-orlandoor at least… we're proposing to remove it!21:53
salv-orlandoif you have a reason for not removing it, please speak up!21:53
salv-orlandoWe have 3 patches21:53
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salv-orlandothe devstack patch is the first that should go in: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40243/21:53
dkehnsalv-orlando, I haven't seen the test_extension_ext_gw_mode.py tearDown fix merge yet, nay news21:53
dkehns/nay/any21:54
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salv-orlandodkehn: I put it in WIP as the problem is a bit more general with test_config. I'm trying to do something which is not a workaround if I can find some cycles for it21:54
salv-orlandoThe other two patches are neutron, and are currently in draft as they cannot be merged if the devstack patch does not go in21:55
dkehnsalv-orlando, k, I'll leave it in my pathc then for now21:55
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ivar-lazzaroAfter Sumit and Salvatore's advice I've drastically cut the size of the embrane's neutron plugin patch, furthermore we now have a core-dev sponsor (Thanks SumitNaiksatam). Please give a look to it if you have some cycles :)21:55
ivar-lazzaro#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38222/21:55
markmcclainsalv-orlando: +1 removing the auto generated db schema21:56
salv-orlandopatch 1: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40241/ and patch 2 (the real deal is here): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40296/21:56
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nati_uenosalv-orlando: is that draft mode?21:56
salv-orlandodraft mode for both patches21:57
salv-orlandodo you get access denied?21:57
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nati_uenosalv-orlando: yes21:57
mesterysalv-orlando: Permission denied.21:57
markmcclainyes21:57
mesteryOn both patches21:57
salv-orlandoI always forget about it. Instead of adding all of you as reviewers, I'll put them in wip21:57
nati_uenosalv-orlando: Thanks21:58
salv-orlandodone21:58
mesterysalv-orlando: Thanks.21:58
med_tick-tock.21:59
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markmcclainsalv-orlando: thanks for working on this change22:00
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markmcclainivar-lazzaro: thanks for reducing the size of the patch22:00
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markmcclainAny of other items for open discussion?22:00
ivar-lazzaroIt'd be great if the blueprint could be accepted in H3, given that the code seem easy enough for you yo review ofc... please consider that22:01
ivar-lazzaroyo/to22:01
markmcclainOk we're out of time…22:01
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markmcclainRemember Thursday is a bug day22:02
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emagana_ciao all22:03
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