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mesteryrkukura, apech, rcurran, Sukhdev, asomya, matrohon: here?14:00
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mesteryI think today will be a short meeting14:01
mestery#link Agenda14:01
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mesteryThe ML2 wiki page is coming together now.14:01
mestery#link ML2 Wiki Page14:01
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mesteryKeep adding content to the ML2 wiki page.14:02
dandrushkois it a right place where i can report about issue with  ML2 + devstack setup?14:02
mesteryWe'll want to start documentation as well soon. rkukura and I will coordinate that soon.14:02
mesterydandrushko: Yes, it's on the agenda, we'll get to it soon.14:03
apechI added some more details to the ML2 wiki on mechanism drivers. appreciate any feedback14:03
dandrushkothank you! waiting for this14:03
mesteryapech: Thank you!14:03
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mestery#topic Discussion Items14:03
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mesteryThe first item is something asomya brought to my attention14:03
mesteryDB migrations in the context of ML2.14:03
mesteryasomya: here?14:03
asomyamestery: yup14:04
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mesteryasomya: Can you summarize the issue?14:04
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asomyaSo is the general idea here to let each mechanism driver manage it's own models but still reuse a common neutron database?14:05
rkukurayes, as long as we can make that work14:05
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asomyahow will we implement alembic migration scripts for ML2 when any number fo drivers can work simultaneously? we'll need migrations scripts per friver?14:06
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asomyaAlso will the neutron-db-manage script be able to generate migrations for ML2 drivers?14:07
rkukuraSo far, I think we've been generating migration scripts with all drivers loaded14:08
mesterySo will we just assume that is the default going forward then for migrations?14:08
asomyarkukura: So we get tables for all drivers every time?14:09
rkukuraI think that is the case so far - is it worth trying to optimize this?14:09
asomyaas longs as the table names don't overlap, i think that's acceptable for now14:10
mesteryAnything else on DB migrations?14:10
rkukuraif someone wants to optimize the migration scripts, that would be great, but doesn't seem super high priority14:11
mesteryrkukura: An Icehouse item for sure at this point. :)14:11
rkukurawe'd need to address adding/removing drivers within an existing ml2 deployment, which might be tricky14:12
mesteryMoving on to the next agenda item: devstack with ML2 MechanismDrivers.14:13
mesteryI wrote something up for this.,14:13
mestery#link ML2 MechanismDrivers in devstack14:13
mesteryWould appreciate reviews.14:13
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mesteryI think it will let arbitrary MDs work with devstack with per-MD config added to the ml2 config file in a nice, easy way.14:14
mesteryI plan to implement this today and push out an initial review, as I know people are to the stage where this would be useful for their MDs.14:14
apechmestery: sounds great, look forward to it14:15
asomyamestery: could you give comment permissions in that page?14:15
mesteryapech: Thanks! Let me know if you see something which doesn't look good, otherwise I'll hopefully get a review pushed out later today for people to test with.14:15
rkukurasome of this is already addressed I think14:15
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mesteryasomya: Yes.14:15
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mesteryrkukura: which part?14:15
rkukuraI'll review in detail, looks like Q_AGENT needs some work14:16
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rkukuraml2-portbinding will also be adding mechanism drivers for the agents14:16
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mesteryrkukura: So we may have to rework devstack a bit with that as well. I'm happy to work with you on that.14:16
mesteryAs long as we're talking devstack, I'd like to also highlight this bug:14:17
mestery#link ML2 MechanismDriver devstack bug14:18
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1208557 in devstack "The ML2 devstack integration doesn't set mechanism_drivers correctly" [Undecided,In progress]14:18
mesteryI have a fix for this out already14:18
mesteryIt was an oversight on my part when I did the recent ML2 devstack changes.14:18
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mesterydandrushko: Maybe this is what you're hitting?14:18
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dandrushkomestery: reading this14:20
mesterydandrushko: If not, please share what's happening with devstack and ML2.14:20
dandrushkomy issue rises during upgrade script SQL14:20
dandrushkoparticularly during 2032abe8edac -> 52 c5e4a18807, LBaaS Pool scheduler14:21
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dandrushkosql statement refers to table "agents" which wasn't created during  previous steps14:21
dandrushkomore accurately foreign key refers to this table14:22
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dandrushkobut in upgrade function there is string14:24
dandrushkoif not migration.should_run(active_plugin, migration_for_plugins):         return14:24
rkukuralooks like that file list the plugins, but not ml214:24
dandrushkoso table is not created here.14:24
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mesteryrkukura: So is the correct fix to modify the migration script here? Or that one shoudl just list * to cover all the plugins?14:26
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mesteryActually, that migration leaves a few other plugins out as well I notice.14:27
rkukuraAre services like LBaaS now a separate plugin? If so, I'm not sure why they should depend on the core plugin14:27
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mesteryrkukura: I don't know the answer to that now.14:29
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mesteryBut this issue seems like something we should bringup on the mailing list to get other eyes on it.14:29
mesterydandrushko: Can you send an email to openstack-dev on this please?14:29
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mesteryLets move on now.14:30
dandrushkothank you!14:30
mestery#topic Blueprint Updates14:30
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mestery#link ML2 Port Binding14:30
rkukuraslow start, but making progress14:30
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rkukuraI'll try to get some code in review, possibly WIP, by the weekend14:31
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mesteryrkukura: Great, thanks! We'll all jump on the review as well.14:31
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mesteryrkukura: So as part of htis work, are you moving LB and OVS to MechanismDrivers?14:31
rkukuraI'll be adding drivers for them, but not sure if I'll move the RPC stuff into the drivers (yet)14:32
mesteryrkukura: OK.14:32
rkukuradrivers will mainly deal with picking segment and vif_type14:32
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mesteryOK, thanks for the updates rkukura. Any questions for port-binding?14:33
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mestery#link ML2 Multi-Segment API14:33
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mesteryrkukura: This one is assigned to you as well now I see. :)14:34
rkukuraI noticed that, but didn't do it14:34
rkukuraAre you planning to work on it, or was someone else?14:34
mesteryI think markmcclain did that recently. Did you need someone else to take this one on given port binding?14:34
mesteryI think I was going to take a crack at it.14:34
mesteryCan you change it to me for now?14:35
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mesteryI'll see if I can get a start on it this week yet.14:36
mestery#link ML2 TypeDriver extra port info14:36
mesteryZangMingJie: here?14:36
mesteryI see you pushed out a new review14:36
mesteryI'll review this one today yet.14:37
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mesteryI think we agreed to move forward with this BP, so I'll approve it as well.14:37
ZangMingJieI'll push another workable patch later this day14:37
mesteryZangMingJie: Thanks!14:37
rkukuraI recall we wanted to look at how this relates to the multi-segment-api14:37
ZangMingJieI have removed segment_id and physical_network from network table14:38
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rkukurawhere are they now?14:39
ZangMingJieand moved them to type driver store instead as we disscussed last week14:39
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ZangMingJienow the network table contains id segment_uuid and type14:40
rkukurathe driver changes aren't in the WIP patch yet, right? Will they be in todays?14:41
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rkukuraSo drivers can store whatever fields they need?14:41
ZangMingJieyes, and pass them to agents14:42
rkukuraAnd the multi-segment-api can just expose those as dicts for each segment?14:42
ZangMingJieI think so14:42
rkukurasounds good in theory!14:42
mesteryOK, lets move on to the next items on the agenda.14:43
mestery#topic Open ML2 Bugs / BPs14:44
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mesteryWe already discussed this devstack bug
mesteryHope to get it approved today and merged.14:44
mesteryIs matrohon here?14:44
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feleouetno, he's ooo for a couple of weeks14:45
mesteryfeleouet: OK, thanks!14:45
mesteryAny updates on either L2 Population ( or GRE/VXLAN tunnels with the same ID (
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1196963 in neutron "Update the OVS agent code to program tunnels using ports instead of tunnel IDs" [Wishlist,In progress]14:45
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safchainAbout l2 population, I'll try to submit a first WIP version by the end of the week14:46
mesterysafchain: OK, great!14:46
mestery#topic Ported MechanismDriver Updates14:47
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mesterySukhdev: Arista update?14:47
feleouetand on my side, I may follow on matrohon efforts on bug/119696314:47
apechwe should be posting our code for review this week14:47
mesteryfeleouet: thanks14:47
mesteryapech: Cool!14:47
apechit's all working, just doing some internal review14:47
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mesteryrcurran: Cisco update?14:48
mesteryCisco Nexus update ... :)14:48
rcurrantrying to get devstack running w/ our nexus switch14:48
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rcurrandevstack issues, not ml2 related14:49
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mesteryrcurran: OK, if you're still hitting issues, ping me after the meeting, me and/or asomya can get you running there.14:49
rcurranported code over to new file format ... btw14:49
HenryGrcurran: or me14:49
rcurrandrivers dir14:49
mesteryHenryG: Of course. :)14:49
mesteryrcurran: OK, cool!14:49
mesteryasomya: OpenDaylight MD update?14:50
asomyamestery: Good progress on ODL, should have it working by the wne dof hte week14:51
asomya*by the end of the week :)14:51
mesteryasomya: Thanks!14:51
mesteryI don't see Luke Gorrie here, but his Tail-F NCS review is being updated regularly:
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mestery#topic Open Discussion14:52
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mesteryAnything else ML2 related this week from anyone?14:52
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rcurranvendor_config topic?14:52
mesteryAh, thanks rcurran.14:53
mesteryThat was the email I sent to the list right?14:53
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rcurranso are you thinking that each vendor would have their own *.ini file also?14:53
mesterySo it seems like everyone wants MD config to be in separate config files, is that right?14:53
mesteryrcurran: I think so, yes.14:53
rcurranfine by me14:54
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apechsounds good to me14:54
rkukurathat gets kind of messy for things like systemd units that launch the server14:54
mesteryrkukura: Yes, agreed. But distributions could add the config into a single file themselves if they wanted, right?14:54
mesteryI was going to do that for devstack in fact to keep devstack simple.14:54
rkukurathey kind of need a fixed set of config file names to pass on the command line14:54
rkukurathat might make sense14:55
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rkukuraI missed the email thread, but see it now14:55
mesteryI'll get my devstack patch out as an example at least.14:55
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mesteryrkukura: Cool, respond with your concerns please.14:55
mesteryOK, anything else?14:56
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mesteryWe've got 2 weeks to get reviews pushed out before the feature freeze.14:56
mesteryLets see what we can get done in that time!14:56
mesteryThanks for everyone's efforts on ML2 so far! Lets keep the momentum going!14:56
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johnthetubaguy#startmeeting XenAPI15:01
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johnthetubaguyhello, who is around today?15:01
BobBallI am15:01
johnthetubaguycool, any agenda items?15:02
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BobBallsure - euanh should give an update on xenserver-core and deb and ARM15:02
BobBallI can give an update on xenserver-core and dom015:02
johnthetubaguyOK, stuff for the open discussion I guess15:03
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BobBallthere's been a lot of activity around XenAPI this week15:03
BobBallvery interesting to see15:03
johnthetubaguyyes, list seemed to be hotting up again15:03
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johnthetubaguy#topic Blueprints15:04
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johnthetubaguyany updates?15:04
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johnthetubaguyjust a heads up there are a few XenAPI bits and bobs from Rackspace coming in15:04
johnthetubaguyjust debating a few in the ML15:04
BobBallI saw them15:04
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BobBallnew blueprints coming in - tis very good15:04
johnthetubaguyI am defending the ones I like :)15:04
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BobBallsuccessfully too15:05
johnthetubaguyAnt has a very cool idea with the VNC access to a PXE installer15:05
BobBallwhat's that?15:05
BobBalloh I see what you mean15:05
BobBallperhaps a question about that15:05
johnthetubaguybasically boot up an ISO, then it does PXE boot, but inject the networking into the ISO, so user doesn't need to configure networking in non DHCP15:05
BobBallI'd agree with Russell - why not glance?15:05
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johnthetubaguyit wouldn't work in glance, glance doesn't control how Xen boots a VM15:06
antonymBobBall: it resides in glance, we're just automating the static ip portion of it15:06
johnthetubaguyyeah, thats a good point15:06
johnthetubaguythe ISO lives in glance15:06
johnthetubaguythen when it boots we need to inject the network settings15:06
antonymwe have to regererate the iso in order to inject the ips directly in it, only way we could think of to completely bypass dhcp15:06
BobBallI mean why is it nova that is configuring it rather than being able to DL a configured image or something - wasn't that the suggestion?15:06
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antonymif glance handles it, don't we have to pass networking info back to glance?15:07
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johnthetubaguyyeah, its just a mess that way15:07
johnthetubaguybut people haven't seen that yet, hopefully they will soon :)15:07
BobBallI've got it - create one image for every IP that you've got - then just download the right one! ;)15:07
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antonymseemed to be much simpler just to shim it into boot from iso within nova15:08
antonymwe'll make an iso per ip :P15:08
johnthetubaguyits quite different to an image builder, it lets you access the installer via VNC15:08
johnthetubaguylol, that would do it!15:08
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antonymit shifts the logic of image building out of openstack using all the things ipxe has to offer15:08
antonymcould even generate ipxe ks.cfgs based on mac address of the instance, but that's stuff we're looking at next15:09
BobBallsounds great to me15:09
johnthetubaguysweet, that makes good sense15:09
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johnthetubaguyso, any more on blueprints15:11
matelIf anyone has time to do a review: #link
matelWorking on xenapi-supported-image-import-export15:13
johnthetubaguyOK, is that looking like it will make Havanna?15:13
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johnthetubaguythe blueprint that is15:14
matelDepends on the review speed.15:14
matelAnd maybe I am doing too many changes.15:14
BobBallyes, we want it in Havana15:14
BobBallwe're aiming to have it completed in the next week or two15:14
matelSo if you guys think, that these changes/refactors are too big, please let me know.15:14
johnthetubaguyOK, need all code up about now to get it in Havana I expect15:15
johnthetubaguyI don't think we should be doing qemu-img convert during a glance download15:15
johnthetubaguythe main reason is glance is build async workers to do image conversion15:15
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johnthetubaguyso the converted image gets done as part of image upload, so it only needs to be converted once15:16
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johnthetubaguylet me find a bp for that...15:16
matelIs that feature will be in havana?15:16
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johnthetubaguywell, not in a useful way, I expect15:17
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johnthetubaguywell, it seems to be this:15:18
johnthetubaguyso maybe it will make it15:18
matelSo I understand, that the same functionality will be covered by this glance feature, but we would like to provide a way to use xenserver without the glance/vhd plugins.15:18
johnthetubaguywhat format does it need to be in, to use it without the glance plugin?15:19
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matelAny qemu-img supported format.15:19
johnthetubaguymaybe I don't understand how you are using the supported route?15:20
johnthetubaguywhy does it need a convert then, you could just upload the correct version to glance right?15:20
johnthetubaguynot version, I mean format15:20
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matelSo, basically: create a vdi, attach to domU, pipe in the bytes from glance, create another vdi, convert the first to the second.15:20
matelusing qemu img in domU15:20
johnthetubaguyOK, like we do with raw today?15:21
johnthetubaguysort of15:21
matelyes, sort of.15:21
matelBut basically that's the idea.15:21
johnthetubaguywell, if you can get people to upload the correct type to glance, presumably you don't need to do the convert any more?15:21
matelSo that leaves us with raw.15:22
johnthetubaguythat could work though?15:22
johnthetubaguyjust add raw + ovf packaging, and its not too big15:22
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matelSounds like an xva.15:23
matelAnd would you support this idea?15:23
johnthetubaguysure, seems fine15:23
johnthetubaguyits the conversion bit I don't ike15:23
matelI see.15:23
johnthetubaguybecause that is going to get done in glance15:24
johnthetubaguyand could be done once, and outside nova15:24
johnthetubaguyseems wrong to do that inline, but maybe I am missing something?15:24
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matelI don't have problems with that, if that gives us value.15:25
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matelAnd the real issue now is that we don't have a sparse format.15:26
johnthetubaguybut raw that is then compressed, will have most of the zero blocks compressed quite quickly15:26
johnthetubaguyits not too bad15:26
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johnthetubaguyI am assuming we keep the existing VHD route, just its unsupported.15:27
matelsure, I don't want to change that.15:27
johnthetubaguycool, that all make sense to me then15:28
matelOne q.15:28
matelvirtual size - physical size15:28
matelso I think glance reports only the physical15:28
matelI guess I would need to have some sort of metadata in the beginning of the tar file.15:29
johnthetubaguyyes, that probably15:29
matelMaybe xapi can do this stuff alone, I need to check it with DS15:29
matelI am just thinking about the implementation steps.15:29
johnthetubaguyoh, I see what you mean15:29
johnthetubaguyyou need to know the size15:29
matelYes, to create the vdi15:30
johnthetubaguywell, turns out you have the size, its in the flavor15:30
johnthetubaguyand if it doesn't fit, you just die15:30
matelthat could work - optimization later.15:30
johnthetubaguythere check between glance and the flavor already to check that you don't put it in the wrong size15:30
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johnthetubaguycall min_disk_gb, or something similar15:31
matelYes, that rings a bell.15:31
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johnthetubaguynot sure it needs optimization, the protection is already there15:31
matelAnyhow, I need to speak about this stuff with bob.15:31
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johnthetubaguyafraid I am on holiday from tomorrow till a week on monday15:31
matelGood for you, enjoy!15:31
johnthetubaguysome emails may get answered, but I am in a field for the first bit of the holiday!15:32
johnthetubaguyOk, that was a useful discussion I think15:32
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johnthetubaguylets move on15:32
johnthetubaguy#topic docs15:32
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johnthetubaguynot updates from me on this one, I still need to follow up on that blueprint and bugs15:33
johnthetubaguyno updates^15:33
johnthetubaguy#topic Bugs and QA15:33
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johnthetubaguyany updates for gating stuff?15:33
BobBallOnly that the xenserver-core stuff is going well and that might be an alternative route to gating15:34
BobBallI was expecting to do some of the zuul dependencies this week15:34
johnthetubaguy#topic Open Discussion15:34
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BobBallbut I've been too busy on other things15:34
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BobBallsuch as answering RAX questions ;)15:34
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johnthetubaguycool, I jumped on to Open, fire away15:35
johnthetubaguyBobBall: hehe, as you should :)15:35
BobBalleuanh is jumping back in to give an update on xenserver-core, DEB, packaging and ARM15:35
euanhI'm working on the build system for XenServer Core15:36
euanhRPM building works pretty well15:36
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euanhI'm adapting that to build DEBs because the Xen on ARM work is Debian based15:36
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euanhfor our uses the mapping from RPM to DEB is fairly straightforward but there are some fiddly bits15:37
euanhOnce I have DEBs I can rebuild them for ARM15:37
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johnthetubaguysounds cool15:38
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johnthetubaguyis that getting pushed back into Ubuntu as the new xcp-xapi packages?15:38
BobBallWe've already had a POC with openstack running on the RPMs15:38
BobBallxcp-xapi is being replaced eventually15:39
BobBallwith xenserver-core15:39
johnthetubaguyawesome, I saw some bugs, so I guessed it should have got somewhere15:39
johnthetubaguysure, with an upgrade path I hope :-P15:39
BobBallbut we want the community to manage the packaging eventually...15:39
BobBallHope so but no promises!15:39
BobBallxapi-xcp was a fixed point in time15:40
BobBallit's a very strange setup15:40
BobBallbut I imagine that a deb based upgrade should probably work15:40
BobBallsince XAPI will upgrade the DB etc15:40
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johnthetubaguywould be good to see a nice version in the next LTS, but maybe its too late now15:41
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BobBallnot quite too late yet15:41
BobBallLTS for xenserver-core is probably doable15:42
BobBallas long as it's multiverse15:42
BobBallgetting it in core would need it to be in multiverse for 13.10 which is very very tight15:42
johnthetubaguywell has to drop in 13.10 probably, I presume, they don't like bit changes during the LTS schedue15:42
johnthetubaguyoh, right I see15:42
johnthetubaguywhere is xapi-xcp now?15:42
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johnthetubaguyyeah, they will probably be OK about that hopefully15:43
johnthetubaguycool, good to see it get sorted finally15:43
johnthetubaguyOK, its a bit non-openstack I guess15:43
johnthetubaguyanything more openstack?15:43
matelAre we planning to do any structuring on the code?15:44
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matelOr it's just good as it is?15:44
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BobBallit's not good as it is15:44
BobBalland yes, we need to do some refactoring15:44
matelSo the main question is whether we want to do some official, coordinated refactoring.15:45
matelThe q goes to John mainly.15:45
BobBallwhat do you mean by that?15:45
johnthetubaguywell, its probably best we co-ordinate, otherwise we will all clash horribly15:45
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matelYes, the conflicts are my concerns15:46
johnthetubaguyI would raise bugs for the areas you are worried about, then take those bugs15:46
johnthetubaguymaybe pop up an etherpad with a list of things you are worried about15:46
johnthetubaguywhat where you thinking?15:46
matelI was thinking about a "refactor day" or something like this.15:46
johnthetubaguyI would love to see steps towards the oslo xenapi lib to share with Cinder15:47
johnthetubaguyhmm, I would probably want more than a day, but that could work.15:47
johnthetubaguywhat things did you want to cover?15:47
matelLook at the change that I sent, that's an ide.15:48
johnthetubaguywhich change?15:48
matelBut that's a common library.15:48
johnthetubaguyOK, that kinda in non-xenapi stuff15:48
matelyes, but you get the "idea"15:49
johnthetubaguythe issue is, we would reject that change, until there is no follow on code that makes use of it15:49
johnthetubaguyI think, anyway15:49
BobBallThis is where we should have a second changeset depending on the frist :)15:50
matelGiven our xva discussion, it can happen.15:50
johnthetubaguywe should have a second change depending on it15:50
johnthetubaguymatel: I thought we decided on no conversion?15:51
johnthetubaguyoh, I see15:51
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matelit was uploaded Jul 31, 2013 3:42 PM15:51
johnthetubaguyfetch to raw15:51
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johnthetubaguymatel: its a low priority blueprint, theses loads of medium and the odd high review to do first15:52
johnthetubaguybit of priority inversion going on here.15:52
BobBallI'd like to argue this should be higher priority15:53
matelSo, John, are you saying that we can't get this xva or whatever stuff in?15:53
BobBallI think this should be at least a medium15:53
BobBallsince it's providing a mechanism for XS under openstack to use supported APIs15:53
BobBallwhich is crucial for a supported environment15:53
johnthetubaguythats russells call, but there are some official definitions somewhere, I can't remember how to phrase that15:54
johnthetubaguyits a bit late anyway to be given more priority, because we have no hope of reviewing all the current mediums15:54
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matelI think that leaves us with no options.15:55
johnthetubaguyits a bit unfortunate, but its all too late to offer any better I guess15:55
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BobBallDoesn't mean there aren't other things that are of higher priority than the existing ones :)15:55
johnthetubaguyindeed, but the other have code up already, so its only fair15:55
BobBallWe can chat with Russell and explain why it should be higher15:55
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johnthetubaguysure, if you feel strongly, ask15:55
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johnthetubaguybut we need the code up yesterday for it to make much difference, if you see what I mean15:56
johnthetubaguyanyways, hopefully it will get in15:56
johnthetubaguythere is still hope15:56
matelokay, we'll see.15:56
BobBallperhaps we should do as we said last week, consider it a bug15:56
BobBallbecause what happens if you try and use a cqow2 image with XS?15:57
BobBallprobably an error log15:57
matelJohn is against the conversion.15:57
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BobBallbut if it's only process that stops a good change getting in then maybe it's worth thinking about :)15:58
johnthetubaguyits about review bandwidth, there is no more left15:58
johnthetubaguyanyways, I am not sure I understand the refactor15:58
johnthetubaguywe are out of time I guess15:58
matelyes, have a nice holiday for the lucky ones!15:59
johnthetubaguyI thought we agreed no conversion, so we just are importing raw here?15:59
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johnthetubaguyone last question15:59
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johnthetubaguywhat do we need to change, to make importing raw supported?15:59
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johnthetubaguyI think it currently works OK15:59
matelit works.16:00
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matelIt's not sparse16:00
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johnthetubaguywe are out of time now16:00
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matelBut, as I said, I need to have a chat with Bob, to see what is the next step16:01
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jgriffithhey cinder folks16:01
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jgriffiththingee: DuncanT-16:01
jgriffithhey xyang_16:01
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jgriffithzhiyan: howdy16:02
xyang_hi jgriffith16:02
zhiyanhey jgriffith16:02
jgriffithalright.. let's get stareted16:02
zhiyanand hi DuncanT16:02
jgriffithstarted even16:02
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jgriffith#topic make all rbd clones cow16:02
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jgriffithdosaboy: ^^16:03
dosaboyso i'm looking for comments here16:03
dosaboyxiaoi has raised concern about performance issue in ceph16:03
jgriffithdosaboy: my first question when I looked was:16:03
dosaboyif we have too many clones from same snapshot16:03
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dosaboyjgriffith: shoot16:03
jgriffithWhat if you want to delete something16:03
jgriffithie isn't this the issue with everything being dependent through the chain?16:04
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jgriffithor is that incorrect?16:04
dosaboyah ok, so we would have to have some logic to clean up the discrete snapshot16:04
dosaboyjgriffith: so, hoping jdurgin can pitch in here but,16:04
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dosaboyafaik the issue is that having too many cow clones can degredate performance of the original volume16:05
dosaboyi am not clear on this though16:05
jgriffithdosaboy: yeah, that would be a second concern :)16:05
dosaboythat performance concern also applies to the caseof clones from snaposhots16:05
dosaboywhich is already supported16:05
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dosaboywith this bug/feature16:05
dosaboyi am not trying to solve that sort of issue16:05
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dosaboybut merely extend the ability to have all clones as cow16:06
dosaboythe inherent potential problems will be no different to what we already have16:06
dosaboyand imo16:06
dosaboywill be dealt with seperately16:06
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jgriffithdosaboy: so I'm no ceph expert :)16:07
jgriffithdosaboy: but...16:07
jgriffithdosaboy: I've talked with jdurgin about this sort of thing in the past on a different topic IIRC16:07
jgriffithdosaboy: and it seems there was some issue with having the relationship back to the volumes/snaps16:08
jgriffithdosaboy: but I'm really not sure16:08
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dosaboyjgriffith: yeah that is what I have heard too, but16:08
jgriffithdosaboy: the only concerns I would have would be that you can actually somehow have independent volume entities16:08
dosaboythat applies to what we currently allow16:09
jgriffithdosaboy: exactly16:09
jgriffithdosaboy: now I don't even mind if there's some *hidden* special snapshot/volume on the backend16:09
dosaboyif we go with this change/addition, it will clearly need testing16:09
jgriffithdosaboy: the perf issue as you mentioned is a whole different subject16:09
dosaboyjust as what we already have i.e. cloen from snapshot will need testing16:09
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dosaboyah ok16:09
dosaboyyeah 2 seperate issues16:09
dosaboyI don't see it as too much of a problem though to have a discrete snap that is silently managed16:10
dosaboyfailry simple logic to do that16:10
jgriffithdosaboy: I don't either, but I think others raised some concerns when I suggested that in the past16:10
jgriffithbut regardless...16:10
jgriffithdoesn't sound like anybody has any objections here today?16:11
dosaboyok well i don't wanna hog the stage16:11
dosaboyi'll try to get jdurgin's opinion when he;'s about16:11
jgriffithok... well that was easy enough :)16:11
jgriffith#topic API V1 removal16:11
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jgriffithDuncanT-: ^^16:11
jgriffithdosaboy: thanks by the way!16:12
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jgriffithDuncanT-: we may have solved your concern here (s/we/thingee/)16:12
jgriffithDuncanT-: but go for it16:12
DuncanT-Ok, so we've been looking at API migration. AFAICT Rackspace are in the same situation as us: They have the V2 API turned on but it isn't in the catalogue16:12
DuncanT-There doesn't seem to be a way currently to advertise it as a none-default opetion in the catalogue16:12
dosaboyoops :)16:13
DuncanT-It is also not the default in devstack16:13
hemnawe should set it to the default first16:13
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hemnabefore we remove v1 IMO16:13
jgriffithDuncanT-: hemna yes we're workign on that16:13
DuncanT-This limits the testing exposure for V2, and causes third party apps to tend to be targetted for V116:13
thingeeDuncanT-: So I feel v2 is ready with the testing that has been around it/documenting it required whitebox testing, etc. However I worked on the client changes last night to get us
thingeeI have two cinder endpoints in the catalog with different service_types like nova did16:14
DuncanT-With this in mind, I'd like to put some caution in the wind as regards to agressively killing V116:14
guitarzanthingee: cool!16:14
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DuncanT-thingee: Great stuff!16:15
avishayhi all, sorry i'm late16:15
jgriffithDuncanT-: so between the additon to the catalog and the type=volumeV2 I think we're good16:15
guitarzanthingee: I'm pretty interested in that patch :)16:15
thingeeguitarzan: :)16:15
jgriffithDuncanT-: I'm also much more confident that there isn't going to be compat issues anyway :)16:15
DuncanT-We need a migration plan and plenty of time to implement it16:15
guitarzanwait, you named the service type differently rather than a version entry/16:15
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DuncanT-jgriffith: Just flipping the default in devstack broke tempest tests... so there are at least some issues. I've not looked into the details yet16:15
guitarzanthingee: not that I know which is better...16:15
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thingeeDuncanT-, guitarzan: so the reason why i feel confident in v2 is because the code isn't far from v1, because people keep backporting features (when they shouldn't ;) )16:16
jgriffithDuncanT-: but if you look at *why* it makes sense16:16
bswartzthingee: lol16:16
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jgriffithDuncanT-: anyway...  not arguing16:16
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thingeeDuncanT-, guitarzan, jgriffith: I'll take a look at tempest next once we got this patch up for review16:16
jgriffiththingee: IIRC the failures were the nova/volume/ issues16:17
guitarzanthingee: ya, I'm not much worried about the v2 code16:17
DuncanT-jgriffith: I intend to look at / be told 'why', I'm just trying to pave the way for a less than aggressive removal date, based on the low testing so far16:17
guitarzanit can be fixed if it needs it16:17
jgriffithDuncanT-: sure, fair16:17
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jgriffithDuncanT-: but were we talking about actually removal yet anyway?16:17
* guitarzan looks at the topic :)16:17
DuncanT-jgriffith: And of course getting people nervious about it is the best way to see more testing / fix-ups :-)16:17
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jgriffithDuncanT-: haha16:18
thingeeguitarzan, DuncanT-: can we agree to reevaluate v2 being default if tempest is fine?16:18
hemnaDuncanT- +116:18
thingeev1 is not going anyway in I16:18
DuncanT-thingee: For devstack? Do it as soon as it works IMO16:18
guitarzanthingee: sure, the default doesn't much matter to me16:18
DuncanT-thingee: That is the kind of 'not agressive' I like :-)16:18
guitarzanthingee: we just need config options to choose which one16:18
jgriffiththingee: to be clear, we need to make V2 default ASAP as far as Im' concerned16:18
jgriffiththingee: there's no reason not to IMO16:18
DuncanT-thingee: Consider me far less worried :-)16:18
DuncanT-jgriffith: +116:19
guitarzanthingee: we have cinder_endpoint_template, we just need cinder_api_version maybe16:19
thingeeguitarzan: config opt isn't going away for v1 in I.16:19
guitarzanthingee: I meant in nova's code16:19
guitarzanyour nova patch just uses the v2 client16:19
thingeealright so let me make sure I understand16:19
jgriffithguitarzan: is there any good reason to have the internal API's conigurable?16:20
guitarzanjgriffith: because the internal api is the same as the external one16:20
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jgriffithguitarzan: but that's the point, it doesn't have to be16:20
thingeedefault v2 in devstack, leave nova code to using v1 (which would require having both v1 and v2 enabled).16:20
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jgriffiththingee: sorry... I'll let you talk I promise ;)16:20
guitarzanthingee: I like that idea just because it makes us solve the ambiguous endpoints issue16:21
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jgriffithguitarzan: I agreee with that, but I believe that's being fixed regardless16:21
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jgriffithguitarzan: and needs to be16:21
guitarzanjgriffith: if that's fixed, then I don't care which is defaulted really16:21
jgriffithguitarzan: :)16:22
thingeeDuncanT-: and what about you?16:22
guitarzanthat lets us add v2 to our catalog to make thingee happy16:22
guitarzanand our customers can use whichever they want16:22
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jgriffithguitarzan: exactly, that's what I'm thinking16:22
jgriffithguitarzan: leaves the implementation up to the SP16:22
jgriffithguitarzan: err... configuration ?16:22
DuncanT-Summary from my PoV: With V1 not going away in Icehouse (no new features is fine and indeed sensible) and Thingee on the case for compatibility, I'm quite happy my concerns are addressed.16:23
guitarzanalthough customers will probably have to look at their code if/when we add another endpoint16:23
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DuncanT-Sounds like that will fix our immediate problems too, so all good16:24
jgriffithand life is good again :)16:24
thingeenext topic, quick!16:24
jgriffith#topic open discussion16:24
thingeethere are none. everyone go!16:24
DuncanT-That was pleasantly pain free :-) Thanks16:24
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thingeeDuncanT-: I worked late on the patch just for this discussion :)16:24
* med_ tries to recall the project review status from ttx's meeting yesterday....16:25
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DuncanT-thingee: I had faith you'd fix everything once I made any sort of fuss ;-)16:25
jgriffithmed_: it was "looks ok, going to have a trafffic jam in review queue"16:25
avishayjgriffith: update - i successfully did a live migration today.  still have to write tests and add a way to get status.16:25
jgriffithavishay: nice!16:25
jgriffithavishay: what did you migrate from->to16:26
hemnavery cool16:26
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avishayjgriffith: both storwize and LVM, via Vish's Nova code16:26
jgriffithavishay: about that, there was a question this AM about migrating across Cinder nodes?16:26
jgriffithavishay: nice!16:26
kmartinjgriffith: he went from IBM to 3PAR :)16:26
avishaywhat does that mean?16:26
jgriffithkmartin: haha!16:26
dosaboyavishay: block-migrate?16:26
avishaykmartin: 3par to IBM is the more common use case :P16:27
hemnaavishay, do  you have a WIP up for us to play with ?16:27
jgriffithavishay: sorry... so say you weren't using multi-backend on a single cinder node16:27
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jgriffithavishay: you actually had cinder node-a, node-b etc16:27
jgriffithavishay: I believe it shouldn't matter... but16:27
avishayjgriffith: oh, it was actually on a one node devstack, but should work regardless.  need more servers to test.16:27
jgriffithavishay: :)16:27
avishaydosaboy: block-migrate?16:27
avishayhemna: will put something up as soon as it's sane16:27
guitarzanfamous last words!16:28
guitarzanit should work16:28
hemnaavishay, sweet, looking forward to it.16:28
avishayguitarzan: :)16:28
dosaboyavishay: what type of migration you talking about?16:28
jgriffithavishay: yeah, I think it'll work the same untl you actually want to migrate to another cinder setup16:28
jgriffithguitarzan: haha!16:28
avishaydosaboy: moving a volume from its current backend to another16:28
dosaboyah ok16:28
xyang_avishay: this is for migrating unattached volume, right?16:28
avishayxyang_: unattached is already merged, attached is coming soon16:28
med_he said "live" so I assumed attached16:29
jgriffithwinston-1: how are things with the QoS patch?16:29
xyang_avishay: cool!16:29
avishayand this is the first time cinder is calling nova - we're no longer just a slave :)16:29
jgriffithmed_: xyang_ the unattached code is already in16:29
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jgriffithavishay: that API is going to be EXTREMELY useful BTW16:29
xyang_jgriffith: ok, will take a look16:29
avishayyea...that QoS patch sitting in the queue is bothering me16:29
hemnalooks like it's just waiting for reviews16:30
avishaythere's a dependent nova patch for QoS too16:30
jgriffithwinston-1: oops.. didn't notice you updated16:30
avishayi think jgriffith and DuncanT- had concerns, i deferred review to them16:30
DuncanT-Does this mean we've going to want a nova internal endpoint for cinder->nova calls, just like having a specific internal endpoint for nova->cinder calls like attach and reserve is a good idea?16:30
jgriffithwinston-1: sorry... I'll look at that again today, would like to make sure others do as well16:30
jgriffithOh... it's not updated ;(16:30
hemnajgriffith, I'll look at it this morning.16:30
hemnajgriffith, what are you waiting for?  I don't see a -1 on it?16:31
jgriffithDuncanT-: we need that for a number of things, se ML last night between Russell and I on the instance assisted snaps16:31
winston-1jgriffith: i'm working on it. since it's totally new patch16:31
avishayDuncanT-: I'm not familiar with the internal endpoint - let's discuss offline?16:31
winston-1jgriffith: 70% ready16:31
DuncanT-avishay: Sure16:31
jgriffithhemna: no need, winston-1 and I talked through it last week16:31
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avishayDuncanT-: thanks!16:31
hemnacan you -1 the review so we know it's in a wait state for changes ?16:32
DuncanT-jgriffith: I'm days behind on the mailing list, will catch up. Glad to see it being discussed16:32
jgriffithavishay: that's the "cinder talking to nova" piece16:32
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jgriffithavishay: I think we took that as implying that you had an endpoint setup in cinder (ie cinder --> novaclient)16:32
DuncanT-hemna: Done16:32
avishayjgriffith: is this endpoint a piece of code or an actual endpoint (separate port)16:32
hemnaok thanks.  :)16:32
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jgriffithavishay: easiest way to describe it is nova/volume/cinder.py16:33
avishayjgriffith: DuncanT-: I have that written already16:33
jgriffithavishay: but you said we were talking to nova now, so how did you do that?16:33
jgriffithavishay: yeah.. that's what I thought :)16:33
avishayjgriffith: cinder/compute/ :)16:33
jgriffithavishay: most EXCELLENT!16:33
jgriffithavishay: looking forward to that patch :)16:34
avishayDuncanT-: is that what you meant?16:34
jgriffithOk... couple of other things real quick and everybody can get back to reviews (hint hint)16:35
DuncanT-avishay: I meant that you probably don't want these cinder->nova APIs enabled on a customer facing endpoint, in teh same way you don't really want cinder reserve API available on a customer facing endpoint16:35
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DuncanT-avishay: Can discuss on channel after if you want16:35
avishayDuncanT-: OK, so that something else.  Yes, let's talk after.16:35
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jgriffithSo the only other thing I wanted to mention16:36
jgriffithwe've got some monster reviews in the queue16:36
jgriffithis a big one16:36
jgriffithI'm pretty comfortable with it and would like to get it turned on ASAP16:36
jgriffiththe earlier the more testing16:37
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hemnaI'll try and do more reviews today, was doing a bit last night16:37
jgriffithI've run a bunch of create cases with forced failures and so far so good16:37
avishaythere are 3 huawei monsters at the bottom of the queue...16:37
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jgriffithavishay: yeah, huawei and coraid and nexenta16:37
DuncanT-I'll take another look at task-flow. The last things I spotted were all minor16:37
jgriffithI'd like to sort through things like public volumes R/O volumes first16:38
jgriffithDuncanT-: great.. thanks :)16:38
avishayjgriffith: i've been working on coraid and nexenta recently16:38
jgriffithavishay: excellent16:38
zhiyanjgriffith: thanks, it's ready to get your +2 IMO :)16:38
jgriffithThat reminds me16:38
zhiyansome minor changes which DuncanT- spotted has been addressed.16:38
avishayjgriffith: yup you're right, read-only just got a new update, we should get these features in16:38
jgriffithI put together a quick driver-cert last week-end16:39
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avishayjgriffith: oooooh shiiiiiny16:39
hemnahow is that going?16:39
jgriffithavishay: I'll get it up on github16:39
jgriffith^^ everyone16:39
uvirtbotjgriffith: Error: "^" is not a valid command.16:39
jgriffithSo here's my dilema right now....16:39
* hemna readies his git clone command line......16:39
jgriffith1. I wrote it in python, it checks devstack and cinder and runs the tempest api/volume tests16:39
zhiyanavishay: yes, thanks. and jgriffith i'm working on mutliple-attaching now16:40
jgriffith2. It's extensible so you can add things like compute, networking etc16:40
avishayzhiyan: awesome16:40
jgriffithSo I'm thinking it doesn't belong in "cinder" should be outside somewhere for others to make use of and contribute to16:40
hemnawhy not in tempest itself ?16:40
hemnatempest has a subproject for stress tests16:41
jgriffiththe question is... is that place, devstack, tempest or maybe a project in packstack?16:41
jgriffith^^ stackforge16:41
uvirtbotjgriffith: Error: "^" is not a valid command.16:41
avishaywhy not cinder/tests/functional or something?  just for the run script16:41
jgriffithuvirtbot: welcome back!16:41
uvirtbotjgriffith: Error: "welcome" is not a valid command.16:41
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avishayuvirtbot is not very sociable16:41
uvirtbotavishay: Error: "is" is not a valid command.16:41
jgriffithavishay: well the only reason is like I said others could use this as well16:41
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avishayother projects?16:42
hemnatempest seems like a logical place to me, especially if you think others can use it.16:42
avishayoh, the packaging of results, yes definitely16:42
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jgriffithK... I'll fiddle with it some more and get input from everybody later this week16:43
avishayyea tempest could be the right place16:43
avishayjgriffith: there's some hook to configure the backend, or just supply a cinder.conf file, or flags?16:44
jgriffithOk... anything else from folks?16:44
jgriffithmed_: did you want more details from yesterdays project udpate?16:44
jgriffithavishay: nope, it let's you do that.  Assumes a devstack env16:44
jgriffithavishay: then collects your cinder.conf and git stamps of the repos of interest16:44
jgriffithmed_: kk16:45
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avishayjgriffith: OK cool16:45
jgriffithalrighty then... if nobody has anything let's finish early for a change :)16:45
jgriffiththanks everyone!16:45
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avishaygo buy lotto tickets16:46
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hartsocks#startmeeting VMwareAPI16:59
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hartsocksHello stackers!16:59
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hartsocksWho's around to talk vmwareapi stuff and things?16:59
tjonesHi Shawn16:59
hartsocksanyone else around?17:01
hartsocksis Kiran around?17:01
danwentgaryk was just in the other channel, right?17:01
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tjonesI saw garyk join17:02
garyki'm here - just had to make sure that i was not locked inthe office :)17:02
hartsocksokay :-)17:02
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hartsockswell… VMware people in the house!17:03
danwentfrom earlier, i think kiran is occupied, though eustace may be available.17:03
EustaceI;m here17:03
Eustacehi All...17:04
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hartsocksLet's cover bugs quickly and focus most of the time on blueprints this week.17:04
hartsocks#topic bugs17:05
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hartsocksAre there any blocker do-or-die bugs we aren't tracking right now?17:05
hartsocksI've got 3 new bugs waiting on triage...17:05
danwenthartsocks: do we have someone doing a weekly triage of all bugs tagged with 'vmware'?17:05
danwentgood timing17:06
tjonesShould we bump the prio of do or die bugs for Havana?17:06
hartsocksdanwent: I'm on the Nova Bug Team and it's my official duty.17:06
garyki'll also try and take a look when i have a few cycles17:06
hartsocksAny help is appreciated.17:06
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danwenthartsocks: k, great17:06
hartsocksLet's move the target away from Havana-3 if there's a bug that's lower priority.17:06
hartsocksThe bug priority is set by a Nova policy.17:07
hartsocks… let me see ...17:07
danwenti haven't seen any action on this 'high' bug
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1187853 in nova "VMWAREAPI: Problem with starting Windows instances on ESXi 5.1" [High,Confirmed]17:07
hartsocksThe official guide FYI:
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danwentdoes that bug actually require a code change, or just different metadata with the image?17:08
danwent(i.e., is it a code change or a doc change?)17:08
tjonesI think both. I can take it if u want17:08
hartsocksIt has no milestone on it.17:08
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danwentbooting windows vms seems valuable :)17:09
hartsocksIf you want something "to be done" the "next" milestone communicates that.17:09
garykdanwent: the bug will require a code change as it is hard coded17:09
hartsocksdanwent: that's why I put it as high.17:09
garyki think that it is a good bug for low hanging fruit - that is if someone wants to dive in and learn the flow17:09
hartsocksdanwent: anyone who has bandwidth should see it and pick it up.17:09
tjonesLets use the target to communicate to the team its needed or not for Havana.  I'll take the bug17:10
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hartsocksAnyone else see something that needs addressing?17:11
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tjonesDan (or someone) can u make sure the must haves are marked Havana-3 and the others are not?17:12
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danwenttjones: i will take a pass, thanks17:13
danwenttjones: you're seeing milestone, right?17:13
danwentand someone is already switching the windows bug17:13
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hartsocksHere's a quick link to filter for open bugs: -> just passed through a url shortener 'cuz it's a monster query.17:14
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hartsocksUsing that link you can see there are only 14 open bugs to keep track of and prioritize.17:14
danwentare we still planning on trying to merge this patch, or just relying on the larger blueprint from HP to handle this17:15
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hartsocksAFAIK we are still trying to merge this…17:15
hartsocksNo activity in a while.17:15
hartsocksThat Sabari is working full out on another project so I don't think we can count on getting this soon.17:16
danwentok, i wasn't sure if it was "compatible" with the approach being taken in the HP patch, as they also allow you to add resource pools as hosts, right?17:16
garyki have a few minor nits with that patch. otherwise it looks good17:16
hartsocksIf it comes to it I can run a merge on the patches to see what comes out.17:17
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hartsocksI try to put these things through their paces with an integration environment before giving a +117:17
danwent needs h-3 milestone17:17
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1184807 in nova "Snapshot failure with VMware driver" [High,In progress]17:17
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danwentwhat are our plans for ?17:18
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1192192 in nova "Nova initiated Live Migration regression for vmware VCDriver" [Medium,Confirmed]17:18
danwentit seems like we should at least give the user a clean error message17:19
danwentas we know this should not work with the VC-driver, correct?17:19
danwent(or does that change once we have resource pools as hosts, since they could be in the same cluster?)17:19
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hartsocksI'm bumping that one out past Havana.17:19
hartsocksThe problem is subtle.17:20
hartsocksIt's only a problem when you use the clusters. If you use one host name per ESXi host then it works.17:20
hartsocksThe issue is that nova can't send a command that could work since you need to use a pair of hosts source, destination that are vMotion compatible and that only happens in clusters.17:21
danwentyeah, i get why it doesn't work.17:21
danwenti'm just wondering if we can have a cleaner failure17:21
danwentfor example, seems like there is a method check_can_live_migrate_destination17:21
hartsocksSo it's more interesting in that it potentially highlights an architectural impedance mismatch.17:21
danwentcould we implement that method, and just always return false, so the user gets a reasonable error message, rather than a traceback?17:22
hartsocksThat's reasonable.17:22
danwentWe can document that live migrations should be via vCenter for now17:22
hartsocksAh. More documentation to write.17:22
danwentyou know me :)17:22
hartsocksIIRC other supported hypervisors will try a migration any which way you ask for and then fail.17:23
tjonesIn an expert now. My doc change got merged.17:23
danwenthartsocks: maybe create a public wiki page of things we need to document, so others can pitch in as well17:23
hartsockstjones: awesome!17:23
hartsocksgood idea.17:23
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hartsocks#action document the needed documents in a document to speed documentation17:24
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hartsocksBut, we do need to start collecting these. There's starting to be too many for me to keep in my head.17:25
hartsocksso I usually do triage after this meeting based on feedback I get here.17:25
hartsocksSo do we have anything else we need to highlight or triage ASAP?17:26
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danwenthartsocks: mulit-datacenter17:27
danwentwhere did we leave that?17:27
hartsocksLet's move to blueprints then.17:27
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hartsocks#topic blueprints17:27
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danwentdid we say that we were going to try and get the "simple" patch fixed and backported to grizzly?17:27
hartsocksSo we're in the last push for Havana17:27
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hartsocksI think there's general consensus that this is *the* most important patch to get into Havana!17:28
hartsocksThis is Kiran's patch. And he's been on vacation a while now.17:28
hartsocksIt looks nearly ready to go.17:28
hartsocksBut there are a few nits that I would want to have cleaned up before a core-reviewer saw it and gave it a −2 … which would waste their time and ours.17:29
hartsocksgaryk: you're our back port guru… how bad do you think this will be to back port?17:29
garykthe aforementioned bp?17:30
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danwentcan't backport features to public stable branches17:30
danwentonly fixes17:30
danwentor am i misunderstanding something?17:30
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garykyup, danwent is correct.17:31
hartsocksI'm sorry.17:31
danwentwe'll probably want to backport it on our "own" stable branch, for customer to use, and post it publicly though17:31
hartsocksI just scrolled back and re-read what I wrote.17:31
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hartsocksI'm obviously itching to get to blueprints.17:32
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danwenthartsocks: its fine, we can talk about the datacenters thing later if you prefer17:32
hartsocksI'm trying to find the patch.17:33
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hartsocksI have a patch that's in abandoned state.17:33
hartsocksI found out my account was screwed up and it looks like the patch doesn't show as under my id even though it has my name on it. Weird.17:33
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hartsocksShort answer: I think I can fix multi-datacenter … and make it easy to backport.17:34
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hartsocks#topic blueprints17:35
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hartsocksirc:// 17:35
hartsocksblah blah blah17:35
hartsockslast update 7 days old.17:35
hartsocksNext most important...17:36
hartsocksthat one is you garyk17:36
garykyeah - the first draft of the code is ready for review - /17:36
garykreview can be found at
garykThere is one lacking development - need to boot from volume.17:37
garykThis will be addressed tomorrow.17:37
tjones1great work gary!17:37
garykgracias. can you guys please take a look and provide comments17:38
garykthe patch is based on - there are excepions when volume attachment/detachment takes place17:38
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hartsocksIf it's a requirement then I'll bump it to H3 and call it high-priority17:39
hartsocksLooks like you already cleaned up my nit-picks from earlier.17:40
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hartsocksOkay… so next on my list is...17:41
hartsocksWhich surprised us as needed by a customer.17:41
hartsocksthat sentence akward.17:41
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hartsocksWe were surprised when a customer asked for this behavior specifically.17:41
hartsocksHow's that?17:41
garykthe customer is always right17:42
hartsocksSo this actually has a really solid use-case I didn't know about.17:42
hartsocksIt is used in conjunction with the config-drive feature.17:42
hartsocksI'm trying to classify the failure of config-drive with vSphere as a bug… since the feature is there it's just dead. But this could be forced to be labeled as a blueprint.17:43
hartsocksIn which case we'll be tracking one more blueprint.17:43
hartsocks#action query Tang on progress17:44
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hartsocksLast (and least) up is:
danwenthartsocks: small, well-understood features as bugs is likely reasonable, but i would expect that someone might shoot us down if that didn't merge by the havana-3 deadline.17:44
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hartsocksThis is my little feature to expose use_linked_clone to the CLI17:45
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hartsocksIt's there to support the afore mentioned use case where the ephemeral disk, linked_clone, and config-drive work in concert to quickly spin up a VM17:46
tjones1i love how you guys are using "aforementioned" in a sentence so much today ;-)17:47
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hartsocksSo the multi-cluster patch (see multi-cluster, multi-datastore, multi-datacenter … so much multi it comfuses me)17:48
hartsocks… supports a basic deploy.17:48
hartsocksThe 2 cinder blueprints support volume operations!17:48
hartsocksThe ephemeral blueprint + linked_clone blueprint + config-drive support this common do-or-die use case:17:49
tjones1Here's where i have the BP for hanava listed (fyi)
hartsocks1. spin op instance with OS drive + epehmeral drive17:50
hartsocks2. first boot with config drive17:50
hartsocks3. pull in dependencies using apt-get, yum, puppet whatever17:51
hartsocks4. config network (er… i guess 3 and 4 swap places)17:51
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hartsocks5. pull in custom application/data17:51
hartsocks… on the ephemeral drive17:51
hartsocksSo it turns out that all flavors except the smallest usually include 2 drives for the instance.17:52
hartsocksThe first for the OS… the second for application specific stuff.17:52
hartsocksAnd now we all know!17:52
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hartsocksAnd that's why these are our most important fixes/bp to get in.17:53
hartsocks#topic open discussion17:53
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hartsocksAny thoughts?17:53
garykguys, i am sorry but i need to leave now. i'll be online a little later17:53
hartsocksgaryk: thanks for hanging around :-)17:53
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hartsocksIf that's it we're done early!17:54
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hartsocksI'll be pinging all the key players in email so we all stay in step as we drive toward Havana-3 deadline.17:55
hartsocksHappy stacking!17:55
danwenthartsocks: thanks, that is great17:55
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notmynameswift team meeting time18:59
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torgomaticit's everything I always dreamed of18:59
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notmynamelooks like a few people are still joining19:00
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notmynamelet's get started19:01
notmyname#startmeeting swift19:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug  7 19:01:25 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at
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notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting?19:01
* torgomatic is just here for the snacks19:02
notmynamethanks everyone for joining. let's get started19:02
* clayg was lead to believe there would be punch and pie?19:02
notmyname#topic 1.9.1 release19:02
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notmynameso first up, notice that 1.9.1 RC was cut today19:02
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* portante yum, never thought irc meetings could be so tempting ...19:03
notmynamethis is primarily in response to the bug reported and patched by portante19:03
portantethanks to zaitcev for asking the original question in a review19:03
notmynamepatches have been backported to folsom and grizzly19:03
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notmynameand merged into master19:03
pelusethere go my plans to take down the new Intel Swift cluster with delete commands19:04
portanteredbo also has a patch out based on this to remove unlinkold() calls19:04
notmynameassuming nothing major is reported by people this week, the current RC will be the final 1.9.1 release19:04
notmynamettx will help formalize that on monday or tuesday, depending on your timezone19:04
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notmynameany questions about 1.9.1 or today's release?19:05
notmynameok, moving on to the schedule for the next one19:05
notmyname#topic havana release schedule19:06
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notmynamethe openstack-wide schedule for havana is at
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notmynamefrom that, you can see that oct 17 is the date for havana, and the RC for havana is sept 26 (ish)19:06
notmynamewhich means that it's likely for us (ie swift) to have just one more release before then, and that release will be included in the openstack havana release19:07
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zaitcevIs this a good time to ask if LFS is makingit19:08
* portante hopes to get diskfile refactoring and database db work from zaitcev in for that release19:08
portanteclayg has reviewed the latest diskfile proposal19:08
notmynameso therefore the 1.9.2 milestone has been created and we'll shoot for the RC at sept 26 ish19:08
claygportante: what's next?!19:08
notmynamezaitcev: portante: ya, I'd love to see it included19:08
notmynameclayg just asked the right questions19:08
chmouelwould that be 2.0 if we get lfs?19:08
notmynamezaitcev: what do you need next19:08
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* clayg guesses he needs to review some of zaitcev's patches too...19:09
notmynamechmouel: probably not (my default answer is no)19:09
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* chmouel guesses that question come up every release19:09
notmynameit's likely that the next release will be 1.10.0 rather than 1.9.2 (either way, just a number)19:09
notmynamecurrent_version = uuid.uuid4().hex19:10
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notmynameredbo: :-)19:10
zaitcevPeter asked me to take and stuff it into... docstrings. Mostly. Some of it does not match docstrings entirely, so I'm going to keep that file, just make it very small. Include examples of configuration that GlusterFS/Ceph/HPSS can copy-paste.19:10
zaitcevThe "LFS planned changes" section is supposed to list all work items and reviews, which it mostly does.19:11
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zaitcevDavid was not happy about my renaming of broker.db_file, then I thought I'd help his ACL thing in exchange, then he suddenly disappeared.19:12
cschwede@zaitcev: HPSS? Is someone working on this, are there any docs I didn't read yet?19:12
zaitcevcschwede: A guy from IBM Federal poked me about doing it. Apparently its xattr is limited and Swift does not work right on top of it.19:12
yuanzaitcev, will there be an example config for zfs?19:13
zaitcevcschwede: So it would be Swift's essentially unchanged back-end but with some workarounds19:13
portanteclayg: I believe that for DiskFile, we need to grind out the changes to use the new open method and then from that work do the official API definition19:13
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portantewith that, we'll apply a similar discipline to the database broker based on pete's work already19:13
claygportante: ok, feel free to ping me anytime you have a review up that I haven't looked at yet, or if you get a couple of changes going and you could use some help with one19:14
notmynamezaitcev: portante: are you concerned with the ability to get changes proposed in time for inclusion in havana?19:14
cschwede@zaitcev: thanks for the info. Nice to know as I know some other people interested in this19:14
portanteI think we can get DiskFile in on time, but we'll have work hard on the database db side19:15
notmynamelet me know how I can help19:15
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notmynameanything else to discuss for the havana release?19:16
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portanteand I think we need to realize that this won't be a completely polished interface, as we make changes, the ripple effects take time as folks start to see how these changes can be leveraged for other work19:16
notmynamein general, the review queue has been getting really long. we all need to get better at staying on top of reviews19:16
notmyname#topic swift hackathon19:17
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* portante has been off on perf testing for the last hour days, sorry19:17
notmynameso we're going to do this :-)19:17
cschwedenice :)19:17
portantehackathon is a good idea19:17
notmynamethe summit is in hong kong (and has a tendency to have lots of powerpoint19:17
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notmynameso for those who want to do code stuff with no powerpoint allowed, let's do a hackathon! :-)19:18
pelusesounds good!19:18
notmynameI'll make the invite public shortly (ie this afternoon or tomorrow), but here's the summary19:18
notmynameTuesday, October 15, 2013 at 9:00 AM - Thursday, October 17, 2013 at 7:00 PM in Austin Texas19:18
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notmynamewe'll reserve a block of hotel rooms19:19
notmynamethe venue will be on the UT campus19:19
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zaitcevI replied, but feel free to bump me if you need "more core core" peope accomodated.19:19
notmynamejsut north of downtown austin19:19
creihtahh nice19:19
creihtnotmyname: where at on campus?19:19
notmynamecreiht: in the UT commons center19:20
notmynamesorry, had to find it in my email19:20
creihthehe cool19:20
creihtthat commons?19:21
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creihtthen that is at the JJ. Pickle Research center19:21
creihtnot the UT campus19:21
creihtbut still a cool place19:21
notmynameah ok :-)19:21
dfgisn't that place in way north austin?19:22
creihtNah, just North Austing19:22
creihtI used to work across the street when IBM was there19:23
dfgi still think of austin in terms of having to take the bus there...19:23
creihtparking there will also be better than the normal campus :)19:23
zaitcev"Drive via US-84 E · 698 mi11 h 12 min" .. hmm. I think I'll have to fly in.19:23
notmynameI'll get the rest of the logistics info out ASAP19:23
notmynameI'm looking forward to it19:24
notmynameany other questions on that topic?19:24
cschwedeit should be no problem to join remote?19:24
notmynamecschwede: not sure. we havent' discussed that yet19:24
portantedo you know what hotel you are going to get a block of rooms at yet?19:24
notmynameportante: not yet. that's next on the list fo things to do for it19:25
notmynameany preferences?19:25
zaitcevI was going to stay in the cheapest motel. At Havana summit FBI broke into the next room and arrested a dude at 4 a.m.19:25
portantered hat gets a discount there19:25
creihtI'll probably just crash with family19:26
peluseI store my points there :)19:26
Dieterbezaitcev: whoa19:26
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notmynameI'll look into the marriott19:26
notmyname#topic erasure codes progress19:26
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notmynametorgomatic: peluse: can you give an update here?19:27
peluseso I've got general multi-ring support up for review on the EC branch.  Covers proxy server only and test coded updated to support the plumbing but havne't added specitic unit tests yet.  Looking for feedback then will post similar changes to the replciator.19:27
peluselots more info on teh review page19:27
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torgomaticI provided a little feedback; I'll look more after this meeting19:27
pelusecool, thanks19:27
peluseI know Yuan has done a lot too, Yuan are you on?  Its 3am there so hard to say19:28
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portantenotmyname: is this a community trello board, or only for swiftstack folks?19:28
notmynameportante: public19:28
yuantorgomatic, I made some early code here, c/39865/19:28
torgomaticyuan: ok, I'll look at that too19:28
portanteI would not mind using this for tracking the work for DiskFile and DatabaseBroker and the rest of LFS19:28
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peluseWrt Yuan's work - he posted a draft of the get/put path changes and the EC library framework.  When he cleans it up more he'll push it up for review on the EC branch19:29
* torgomatic has been busy with internal SwiftStack work lately19:29
notmynameportante: ok, let's talk after to get one set up19:29
portantek thx19:29
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peluseDoes Kevin know about the Swift meetings?19:29
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notmynamepeluse: I'll make sure he does19:29
pelusecool, I know he's made progress on his EC algorithms and on the algebraic signature stuff.  We at Intel are also looking to open source some low level code and will contriube that as as optional library as well.  Next month or so I think19:30
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notmynameanything else need to be discussed on EC? any questions?19:31
peluseclayg:  did you get a chance to look at the latest multi ring changes?19:31
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yuanquestion, we want a new eccontroller or some helper func19:31
torgomaticwhatever makes the code cleaner19:32
peluseIf you mena ECObjectController I think we settled on no new controller, just helper functions.  Or I read things that way anyway... torgomatic?19:32
portantethe LFS patch work at the controller level would help make this easier to do, would it not?19:32
claygpeluse: not since sam's comments19:32
portantezaitcev already has a tree with that work that folks might want to consider19:32
yuanportante, yeah it does19:33
peluseHis comments were just today I think, patch 10 is the last update I made.  Lots of fun w/the test code :)19:33
notmynamezaitcev: got a link for clicky goodness?19:33
claygpeluse: I'll take another look then - thanks19:33
peluseprtante:  can you send the link?19:33
zaitcevThe "big" LFS, which plugs Controller in proxy is here
peluseyeah, will check it out19:34
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zaitcevthat said I'm not sure, I need to look at Paul's thing. I didn't know his "multi-ring" was baout EC19:34
peluseSo to be clear the multi-ring thing and the idea of using a separate ECObjectController are two different dsicussions19:34
peluseThe separate controller would be to not require different functions in the ObjectController for get/put/etc19:35
torgomaticI'd kind of like to support multi-ring stuff completely before starting on EC, but that's just me19:35
pelusemulti-ring I'm trying to do as very generic to apply to Clayg's storage policies soln as well19:35
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pelusetorgotmatic:  i agree which is why I jumped on it first :)19:35
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torgomaticnot sure what the i is for19:36
pelusewas wondering19:36
* portante thought it was a solute19:36
notmynameanything else on EC for now?19:36
pelusenot on my end19:36
notmynamebefore moving to open discussion?19:36
torgomaticnothing here19:36
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notmyname#topic open discussion19:37
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notmynameanything else to discuss in the meeting this week?19:37
peluseanyone see my general question about debug prints in the unit test code?  (how to)19:37
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portanterun ./.unittests --nocapture --nologcapture19:38
notmynamepeluse: is the problem that nose is grabbing the output streams and you aren't seeing it?19:38
notmynameportante: ah, those are nice options to know19:38
peluseproblem is they're going somewhere and I don't know where :)19:38
peluseI can try what portante suggests19:38
claygi think i do -vsx19:39
portantedoes not work with tox, so use that with a virtualenv with the right dependencies if not on a release that supports the latest with openstack19:39
claygrunning one test at a time helps a lot too19:39
portantewhat is -vsx?19:39
claygportante: options for nose19:39
portanteoh, sorry19:39
peluseand how do I run one test a time, that would be great19:39
claygnosetests path/to/the/
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peluseswesome thanks19:40
notmynameanything else?19:40
notmynamethanks all for being here and for your work on swift19:41
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portantec ya19:41
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zaneb#meeting heat20:00
zaneb#startmeeting heat20:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug  7 20:00:31 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is zaneb. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'heat'20:00
zanebthat's better20:00
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spzalaHello zaneb and all,20:01
zanebwho else is awake?20:01
spzalaI am new to heat and looking forward to work with you to learn and contribute actively. I have been contributing to keystone development for sometime now.20:01
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sdake_welcome aboard spzala20:01
radixgood afternoon20:01
zanebspzala: welcome :)20:01
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spzalaThanks!!! :)20:01
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zanebso, shardy is away today, I think he's back on Friday20:02
radixok I was just about to ask20:02
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zanebwas I supposed to send out the agenda for this?20:02
sdake_angus still sawing logs20:02
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zanebthat didn't happen :D20:02
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sdake_zaneb agenda 24 hours in advance, meeting notes after meeting20:02
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zanebok, I think we have a quorum20:03
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* stevebaker was in #openstack-metering :/20:03
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zanebstevebaker: lol20:03
zanebstevebaker: any action over there?20:03
zaneb#topic Review last week's actions20:04
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stevebakerconfusingly quiet20:04
randallburt1sorry I'm late20:04
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zanebACTION: shardy to send mission ML statement20:04
zanebhow did that work out? I didn't see it20:04
stevebakerI'm not sure it has been sent yet, but there was more etherpad action20:05
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zanebso, thanks asalkeld and kebray for input20:05
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stevebakerI think it should just be posted at this point20:06
zanebI added some more justification for what I think would be good to include20:06
zanebso if anyone still cares, have a look20:06
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zanebI expect shardy will post something when he gets back20:06
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zanebthat was the only action, so moving on...20:06
zaneb#topic Choose date for Havana_Release_Schedule FeatureProposalFreeze20:06
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adrian_ottothe term "enforce policy" appears first in the mission. Is that really what the mission should be emphasizing as its first stated goal?20:07
stevebakerAs a project we can choose to set a FeatureProposalFreeze date20:07
stevebaker <-- other project's dates are appearing here20:08
topolafter reading the extra input on the mission are we changing it or going with the original?20:08
zanebtopol: if you have feedback add it to the etherpad, it will be up to shardy to sort it out I think20:08
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topolzaneb I was good with his original20:09
randallburt1stevebaker:  so that means no more bps or reviews for new stuff. if its not in the pipe by then, its got to be a bug, yes?20:09
stevebakerIf we choose a date, any blueprint that doesn't have an active review by that date is deemed to have missed the feature freeze20:09
thervestevebaker, The freeze is Sep 4th right?20:09
zanebso nova have their feature freeze on August 22nd20:09
topolSince heat is at the top of openstack food chain perhaps it can have a late featurefreezedate than somehting like keystone or nova20:09
randallburt1well, we still have lots to review and test, so we may need more time than the other projects too20:10
zanebI don't think where we are in the food chain makes much difference20:10
stevebakerI'm not aware of other project features that we're blocked on though20:10
therverandallburt1, reviews don't count20:10
zanebI think we are slightly faster to review than some other projects20:10
zanebthat's what would make a difference20:10
m4dcoderif i'm readying the policy correctly, as long as we get our 1st patchset in, subsequent patchsets for the feature is still allowed after the freeze date?20:10
therveThe FPF is for new blueprints20:10
radixso the freeze is only for when the change gets submitted to gerrit, not for when the change gets merged?20:10
stevebakerThe point is to avoid a review stampede the day before the feature freeze, smooth out the reviewing process20:11
zanebm4dcoder: correct20:11
zanebstevebaker: +120:11
radixgot it20:11
randallburt1therve:  ah, ok20:11
therveWell not after the freeze data20:11
therveAfter the feature proposal freeze date :)20:11
zanebso the freeze for stuff getting merged is the Havana-3 deadline20:11
zanebon the 6th of September20:11
topolzaneb, well with keystone if we dont freeze the the APi early there is no way for the other core projects to adopt.  Im assuming heat doesnt need the core projects to adopt their apis so much20:11
thervetopol, Yeah it's more a workflow problem20:12
zanebtopol: that's what the release milestone is for20:12
stevebakerzaneb: yep, although some features I think can have explicit extensions20:12
sdakezaneb the actual freeze is the 4th20:12
zanebthis is about managing the review queue20:12
zanebsdake: quite right, thanks20:12
stevebakerSo I propose that we have a FeatureProposalFreeze on August 23, because Friday deadlines are *awesome* ;)20:12
therve+1 :)20:12
sdakeshould make it a monday so the poor sobs can work through the weekend ;)20:12
randallburt1so cruel.20:13
radixsdake: hehe, I was going to say the same ;)20:13
zanebso, if anybody is planning a whole massive patch queue on August 23rd, you're doing it wrong anyway20:13
stevebakerbut if you are, at least there is a chance of it being reviewed20:14
zaneband after that, it's increasingly dicey20:14
stevebakerso 23rd?20:14
zanebsounds reasonable20:15
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stevebakerdoneburgers. I'll tell ttx20:15
zanebnot saying I would -2 everything after that20:15
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zanebbut it would be even better if folks posted whatever they have *before* that20:16
randallburt1so picky… ;)20:16
stevebakeryep, its just setting expectations20:16
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zanebif you have incremental steps that are ready, post 'em20:17
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zaneb(it's not always that easy, I realise)20:17
zanebok, moving on?20:17
zaneb#topic h3 blueprint prioritization20:17
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zanebstevebaker: what did ttx have to say yesterday?20:17
stevebakerwe need to be more realistic about our bp list for this cycle20:18
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zanebso I see that some people have updated their blueprints20:18
zanebwhich is great! thank you all20:18
stevebakerAnything that is Not started, Started or Slow progress might need some scrutiny20:19
zanebif anybody has out-of-date status on their blueprints, please double-check them20:19
stevebakerjasond: where is multiple-engines at?20:19
* SpamapS is a bit sad that rolling-updates is slipping. :-P20:19
jasondstevebaker: still testing.20:20
jasondcan someone mark it approved?20:20
stevebakerjasond: could you update the Delivery field to reflect where it is at?20:20
jasondoh, nevermind20:20
jasondsure, will do20:20
radixmy instance-group-nested-stack bp is up for review, has a couple positive reviews:
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stevebakerrandallburt: open-api-dsl is a bit of an umbrella bp - it is too broad to be useful really20:21
randallburtstevebaker:  agreed.20:21
randallburtper last couple of meetings, will be fine changing it and coloring it done once the param work is sorted20:22
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stevebakerI don't really know where HOT is at and what is left to be done, so that would be helpful20:22
randallburtor we can get rid of /archive as superceded20:22
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SpamapSis there a single unifying HOT v1 blueprint dependent on the other bits so we can see all the things in flight to make it a reality?20:23
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stevebakerwe could use open-api-dsl for that, but set it to milestone next20:24
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adrian_ottothat was the intent of that blueprint anyway20:24
randallburtSpamapS:  sorta. the dependencies of  #link are there but not complete20:24
randallburtneed to add the param constraints work from tspatzier et al20:25
SpamapSrandallburt: that looks like what we need tho. Lets not add anymore. ;)20:25
stevebakerok, I've set the milestone to heat next20:25
zanebvijendar: are you about?20:25
randallburthe's on his way20:25
stevebakeragordeev: are you about?20:26
vijendarzaneb: hi20:26
zanebvijendar: what's the progress on ?20:26
zanebis "Started" still a fair assessment?20:26
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vijendarzaneb: it's in code review20:27
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spzalastevebaker: fyi on HOT, I am wrapping up some keystone work but I am going to learn and work on HOT.20:27
zanebvijendar: excellent, thanks for updating it :)20:27
radixspzala: nice :)20:27
stevebakerspzala: cool, ok20:27
vijendarzaneb: currently I am fixing couple of tests that are failing20:27
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zanebok, cool20:28
spzalaradix: stevebaker: thanks!20:28
stevebakersdake, how be native-nova-instance?20:28
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sdakewas blocked by various problems with devstack20:28
zanebstevebaker: agordeev has posted some patches, at least, toward to olso db stuff20:28
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sdakenow unblocked once the neutron review is approved20:28
* stevebaker really wants that feature20:28
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stevebakerno pressure ;)20:29
sdakelooks like the neutron review was approved20:29
sdakeso we should be good to proceed now20:29
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zanebok, so it looks like we are not in terrible shape20:29
zanebthe open bps are fairly evenly spread across people20:30
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zanebso, if everybody can keep their bps up to date, that will be a big help to whichever poor sap has to go to the release status meetings ;)20:30
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zaneband if you think something is not going to land in time, please flag it20:31
zanebeither in irc or during a meeting20:31
therveLet's try to have a quick review cycle, too20:31
therveTalk to people :)20:31
radixby the way, is feature freeze going to involve a new branch so feature work can continue?20:31
zanebtherve: +120:31
radixor are we going to be locked out for a month and a half?20:31
SpamapSradix: you're not supposed to continue feature work.20:31
zanebradix: typically the latter, as far as I understand20:31
SpamapSradix: fix bugs, document, test, etc.20:32
zanebthat was pretty much the case last time20:32
radixzaneb: ok20:32
zanebradix: the good news for you is that there will be heaps of bugs :)20:32
radixyes, of course20:32
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stevebakerI'd like to think we could do that code re-org during feature freeze20:32
therveAlso documentation20:32
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stevebakerand everyone can write tempest tests20:32
zanebstevebaker: only if you keep it very quiet ;)20:32
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zanebok, let's move on20:33
zaneb#topic Discussion about "Heat config" and the bug related to.20:33
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zanebfvollero: go20:33
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1209141 in heat "Heat config: all options related to binding should be splited from DEFAULT" [Undecided,New]20:33
EmilienMI found this bug this morning, I think we should create groups in options20:34
EmilienMlike we have in Nova20:34
fvollerozaneb: Yeah, I guess we should thank EmilienM that reported this bug i just figured out later20:34
zanebkudos, EmilienM ;)20:34
EmilienMsince we have 3 API which could running on a single node, the bindings options should be splited20:34
fvolleroAs we discussed earlier shouldnt be difficult to have them grouped a la nova20:34
stevebakercan it fall back to [DEFAULT] if the other block has no setting?20:34
EmilienMwe should20:35
fvollerostevebaker: yeah20:35
SpamapSSp we dpm20:35
SpamapSso we don't all collide .. Triaged/High seems appropriate.20:35
EmilienMwith the new fashion of config, I'm scared about all OpenStack projects which have several config files20:35
EmilienMspecific to Heat, where we have some flags duplicated20:36
EmilienMi.e. bind_host20:36
EmilienMi.e. bind_port20:36
fvolleroEmilienM: in one host configuration, the only concern are the bind_port since the host still the same20:36
stevebakerso should the rules be:20:37
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stevebaker1. if heat.conf exists use it, otherwise fall back to heat-*.conf20:38
stevebaker2. if [API|CFN|CLOUDWATCH] blocks exist, use them otherwise fallback to [DEFAULT]20:38
stevebakerthat way, old configs will continue to work, new configs will work, and mixtures of old and new won't cause random pain20:38
SpamapSGiven the collision possible, I think bind_port and bind_host should be removed from default.20:38
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SpamapSEach service can have its own default in its own section.20:38
fvollerostevebaker: Sounds great this way.20:39
EmilienMstevebaker: +120:39
fvolleroyes, +120:39
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EmilienMcool, thank's for consideration guys20:39
fvolleroSpamapS: Yeah, maybe as subset of the specific services20:39
SpamapSThe using old config files is long do we keep supporting the old ones? Do we issue a deprecation warning?20:40
fvolleroEmilienM: I guess you found a case the developers initially didn't considered :)20:40
fvolleroSpamapS: That seems the way to go.20:40
SpamapSTechnically we already broke configs completely this release.. so I'm more inclined to say "just get rid of the old ones now" than have to do that dance.20:40
EmilienMthe fact is the new fashion in Oslo has not been adopted in all projects20:40
SpamapSPerhaps provide a tool to automatically convert if you've been testing H20:40
EmilienMonly Ceilometer & Heat AFIK20:40
stevebakeryep, we've already caused packaging pain with the paste.ini changes20:40
stevebakermay as well get it all done20:41
SpamapSmake the painful change now and people will have time to adapt before h320:41
fvolleroSpamapS: To join them in 1 single file you mean ?20:41
SpamapSmake it later, and we just have to keep these old files around forever.20:41
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SpamapSfvollero: yes, if we want one config file, lets just do it.20:41
fvolleroSpamapS: yeah, that's actually very possible.20:41
SpamapSwe already broke things horribly between grizzly and H20:41
SpamapSso breaking h2 and h3.. I personally don't care.20:42
EmilienMso maybe you are agree I should abandon
SpamapSAs long as it is advertised and well known.20:42
SpamapSEmilienM: no, I think you should enhance it to also make sure those old config files are not read by oslo.config.20:43
fvolleroSpamapS: yes indeed. So I guess now, the main goal is to solve the bug and make 1 file to be compliant as before20:43
andrew_plunk1it would be cool to have a config migration tool20:43
SpamapSandrew_plunk1: should be really easy to write too20:43
SpamapSand the packagers would love us20:43
stevebakerand production defaults!20:43
andrew_plunk1+1 stevebaker20:43
EmilienMSpamapS: ack20:43
fvollero+1 stevebaker20:44
fvolleroSpamapS: +120:44
SpamapSeverybody else feel comfortable with this radical approach?20:44
andrew_plunk1It sounds good to me20:44
SpamapSI don't want to guide EmilienM into conflict... ;)20:44
fvolleroSpamapS: Well, if we state it clearly in all the documentation, why not20:44
stevebakeris there a bp for this? that is a good way of highlighting the change in the release notes20:45
EmilienMlol I'll say your name :P20:45
fvolleroSpamapS: Even if we should need to have steve hardy for some more discussion20:45
SpamapSwhat documentation mentions any config files at this point? Thats probably a question worth answering before this gets done.20:45
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SpamapSEmilienM: sounds like a threat. ;)20:45
fvolleroSpamapS: I mean, the EmilienM changes could be also: Put the stuff in heat.conf and not here. Check http://blablabla20:46
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zanebok, I think we've covered this one20:47
zaneb#topic Open Discussion20:48
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stevebakeri gotta go20:48
fvollerome too...20:48
zanebstevebaker: o/20:48
zanebanybody got anything else20:48
* SpamapS does as well..20:48
spzalaI have a review request for #link
spzala(nanji, owner of the patch, could not make it to the meeting so requesting on his behalf)20:48
fvolleroThanks guys for your quick approach on the spotted bug :)20:48
fvolleroHave a wonderful evening!20:48
zanebit's not actually compulsory for this meeting to run for an hour, so I'm happy to end it soon ;)20:48
spzalazaneb: :)20:49
zanebspzala: that patch is on my list, hopefully I will get a chance to take a look tomorrow20:49
radixI don't have anything else (other than whining for more reviews)20:49
spzalazaneb: that would be great. Thanks!20:49
zanebanybody want to bikeshed the mission statement some more?20:50
* zaneb ducks20:50
zaneb(don't even think about it, btw)20:50
adrian_ottoI want to contribute to the mission statement, but need time to work on it.20:50
zanebadrian_otto: cool, that's a better way to have the discussion I think20:50
adrian_ottois putting my input into the etherpad the best way, or is that something we should do in #heat?20:50
zanebadd it to the etherpad20:50
zanebmaybe ping folks in #heat to let evryone know there are changes20:51
randallburtspzala I'm trying to make time to look at that as well20:51
spzalarandallburt: awesome, thanks :)20:51
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adrian_ottook, will do. I will be out on vacation, so will miss your next IRC meeting, but will send a proxy to speak to it.20:52
zanebspzala: I tuned out somewhere between patch sets 7 and 15, but it looks a bit more stable now ;)20:52
zanebadrian_otto: cool, cheers20:52
adrian_ottowhen do you want to conclude all Mission related work?20:52
spzalazaneb: yes, I think and hope so too :)20:52
zanebadrian_otto: I expect shardy will want to look at it when he gets back20:53
zanebor rather, he won't want to, but he'll probably feel he has to ;)20:53
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zanebadrian_otto: but I will let him know you're planning on adding some feedback20:54
zanebok, if there is nothing else I'm going to wrap this show up with 5mins to spare :)20:54
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zanebthanks everyone!20:55
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