| reed | right, so I believe the next step would be to give a playground to the i18n team | 00:00 |
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| jeblair | it's the end of the day here but i promise i haven't started drinking yet | 00:00 |
| * reed wishes he was sipping salt water now but the bridge is closed | 00:00 | |
| jeblair | clarkb: did a lot to set up initial i18n jobs too | 00:00 |
| reed | and BART takes too long :( | 00:00 |
| jeblair | reed: you have 3 hours :) | 00:01 |
| reed | jeblair, /me pessimist, would never make it :) | 00:01 |
| clarkb | transifex isn't open anymore? | 00:02 |
| reed | jeblair, do you think some at infra has spare time to setup this playground? | 00:02 |
| fifieldt | mmm :s | 00:02 |
| fifieldt | clarkb, nope :( | 00:02 |
| clarkb | wow I thought the organization change was bad :( | 00:02 |
| fifieldt | the claim is they were spending so much effort with the split repositories | 00:02 |
| fifieldt | that it was "better for everyone" | 00:02 |
| fifieldt | to just bring it all in | 00:02 |
| jeblair | reed: my current very basic understanding is that it's a django app with a db, which is a pattern we already have in production | 00:03 |
| reed | fifieldt, yeah, that's what happens when open source is just a marketing badge | 00:03 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ya https://github.com/transifex/transifex | 00:03 |
| jeblair | reed: so it should be a <1 day job to spin one up; then we'll find out what we don't know. :) | 00:03 |
| clarkb | the translation jobs themselves are fairly generic. They just need a way to push and pull from the translation upstream | 00:03 |
| reed | clarkb, would not touch that, we're talking about pootle | 00:04 |
| jeblair | reed: clarkb's referring to jobs that push and pull from transifex | 00:04 |
| jeblair | currently | 00:04 |
| reed | clarkb, https://github.com/transifex/transifex/issues/206#issuecomment-15243207 | 00:04 |
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| jeblair | oh, i think i misunderstood, reed's "would not touch that" -> "would not touch old source code dump of transifex" | 00:05 |
| reed | jeblair, indeed, that's what I was referring to | 00:05 |
| clarkb | ya probably not a bad idea | 00:05 |
| jeblair | http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/pootle/en/latest/server/installation.html | 00:06 |
| clarkb | unless someone forks it and fixes security issues and so on | 00:06 |
| jeblair | looks just as simple as it should be, so i'm optimistic. | 00:06 |
| jeblair | reed, fifieldt, maybe next week? | 00:06 |
| reed | clarkb, if the TX team abandoned it I believe there is a reason and it's likely unmaintainable anymore :) | 00:06 |
| reed | jeblair, take your time, just let us know when it's doable | 00:07 |
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| reed | i think that the i18n team wants to arrive to HK ready to discuss the alternatives and make a decision | 00:07 |
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| clarkb | is launchpad being considered again? | 00:08 |
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| fifieldt | having used launchpad for translations | 00:08 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i doubt anything has changed to make it more attractive | 00:08 |
| fifieldt | it's workable, but still sucks more than transifex | 00:08 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ya | 00:09 |
| reed | clarkb, not really... I don't think that LP has a bright future either, might as well stay on TX | 00:09 |
| reed | so, I think we have a draft of a plan | 00:10 |
| clarkb | reed: I think at this point TX has no future. If for no other reason than to make a statement that open source matters | 00:10 |
| reed | clarkb, we can take that debate offline :) | 00:10 |
| reed | #info infra team to investigate setting up a demo server based on pootle for evaluation by i18n team. Check again next week for a more precise timeline. | 00:11 |
| jeblair | debate? :) | 00:11 |
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| reed | the future of TX is debatable :) | 00:12 |
| reed | next topic? | 00:12 |
| fifieldt | <propose something> | 00:12 |
| reed | oh one thing: did you (infra) get any request from UX designers for an askbot installation? | 00:13 |
| clarkb | they mentioned that askbot is the sort of thing they would like. I don't know if the discussion went further than that. THey may have been asked to try a thread on ask.o.o? | 00:13 |
| reed | ok, i'll reach out to jaromir | 00:14 |
| reed | (I'm sure I butchered his name, sorry) | 00:14 |
| reed | that's it from me | 00:14 |
| jeblair | well, we know from previous experience it's a huge undertaking to set up askbot | 00:14 |
| reed | jeblair, it "should" have changed now | 00:15 |
| reed | but not sure in what sense | 00:15 |
| jeblair | so i'm reluctant to say we should put time into it; especially since there's a good chance that storyboard will meet their needs as it develops | 00:15 |
| jeblair | that might be a good thing to check in on in hk | 00:15 |
| jeblair | but having said that, if someone pushes up a patch for an askbot server, we can totally run it. :) | 00:15 |
| reed | i'd like to have a fast overview of the recent changes in askbot code to see if they address the difficulties we had before | 00:16 |
| reed | IIRC the obstacles were around the backend database | 00:17 |
| jeblair | clarkb: if reed gets a summary of that, would you perhaps have time to review it? | 00:17 |
| clarkb | backend database and indexing for search | 00:17 |
| clarkb | jeblair: reed yup I can take a look at it | 00:17 |
| reed | right, I remember correctly | 00:17 |
| clarkb | s/it/a summary/ | 00:17 |
| reed | the changes are exactly around there: now haystack support is implemented and search goes through there (and solr) | 00:18 |
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| reed | so probably it's still a bloody mess but a different one :) | 00:18 |
| clarkb | there was also an issue with localization iirc | 00:18 |
| clarkb | where it had circular imports | 00:18 |
| reed | love i | 00:18 |
| reed | ok would a changelog be enough? | 00:19 |
| clarkb | possibly | 00:19 |
| clarkb | changelogs seem to vary in verbosity but it would be a good place to start at least | 00:19 |
| reed | #action reed to look at the recent changes in askbot and pass data to clarkb. Low priority. | 00:19 |
| reed | not sure about you but i'm baked | 00:20 |
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| reed | closing the meeting? | 00:21 |
| reed | sarob, anything to add? | 00:21 |
| fifieldt | all good from my end too | 00:22 |
| reed | #endmeeting | 00:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 00:23 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 29 00:23:27 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_community/2013/openstack_community.2013-08-28-23.03.html | 00:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_community/2013/openstack_community.2013-08-28-23.03.txt | 00:23 |
| reed | thanks everybody | 00:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_community/2013/openstack_community.2013-08-28-23.03.log.html | 00:23 |
| reed | beer time | 00:23 |
| fifieldt | enjoy! | 00:23 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 29 17:00:19 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| afazekas | hi | 17:00 |
| mkoderer | hi | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | hi who's around for the meeting? | 17:00 |
| mkoderer | google hangout? https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/0d06aa2bdbfda14c66339811d843480446a54ab3?hl=en ? | 17:00 |
| giulivo | me | 17:00 |
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| giulivo | guys, I would prefer we not use hangout | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | here's today's agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting | 17:01 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting | 17:01 |
| mkoderer | just for video | 17:01 |
| mkoderer | ok np | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | lets get started I guess it's a pretty long agenda today | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | #topic testr status | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "testr status (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:01 | |
| dkranz | Here | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | so the big news on testr is that we are now running in parallel for the gate | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | and everything has been made parallel by default | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | so at this point its just bug triage and fixes | 17:02 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Very cool! | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | to make things as stable as they were running serially | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | giulivo: you wanted to talk about a bug day related to testr? | 17:03 |
| giulivo | mtreinish, yeah maybe we can send to the -dev list an announcement for a bug triage day? | 17:03 |
| giulivo | let's say something in mid september? would that work for you guys? | 17:04 |
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| mtreinish | giulivo: sure that's probably a good idea, it's been a while since we last had one | 17:04 |
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| mtreinish | and the bug list is getting biggert | 17:04 |
| dkranz | giulivo: Sure | 17:04 |
| giulivo | ok I'll do that tomorrow at last | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | giulivo: do you want to take on the effort of organizing it and pushing that forward? | 17:05 |
| giulivo | are there preferences for a particular day? a week day I suggest rather than during the weekend, apart from that, I'd pick something from the 2nd week of sept | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | giulivo: that's fine with me but we can discuss the details on -qa or the ML | 17:06 |
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| tkammer_ | Hi, sorry for being late | 17:06 |
| dkranz | tkammer_: np, welcome | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | #action giulivo to setup a bug day for sometime in sept. | 17:07 |
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| mlavalle | I am late as well, sorry | 17:07 |
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| giulivo | mtreinish, fine with me | 17:07 |
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| mtreinish | ok and dkranz you want to talk about writing tests in parallel and a process for approving them in the gate | 17:07 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Some of the recent problems made it clear that it is not obvious some times | 17:08 |
| dkranz | when a test will interfere with some other | 17:08 |
| dkranz | We have locks within a test class, and tenant isolation, but other issues can occur | 17:08 |
| dkranz | So my thought was to have a way to mark a test to not fail the build if that test fails | 17:09 |
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| dkranz | Then after some time it is removed and the test becomes part of the gate. | 17:09 |
| mkoderer | I think we will have the same problems for stress tests that run in parallel | 17:09 |
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| dkranz | mkoderer: But stress tests are not gating | 17:09 |
| mkoderer | thats right | 17:09 |
| dkranz | mkoderer: It is the gate, and blocking builds, that concerns me. | 17:09 |
| mkoderer | dkranz: correct | 17:10 |
| dkranz | I am going to send a message to the list with some guidance. | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I'm not opposed to having a nonvoting set of jobs first, it's just in my experience nonvoting jobs don't ever get any attention | 17:10 |
| afazekas | dkranz: how to prevent adding racy codes to nova or neutron ? | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | and flaky tests are going to happen | 17:11 |
| dkranz | afazekas: We can't, but nova developers are constantly aware of this issue. | 17:11 |
| dkranz | In tempest we cover all apis together which is more difficult. | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | I'd rather see them gate and catch more things | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | even if it causes headaches sometimes with flaky fails | 17:11 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, as long as our fearless ptl signs on | 17:12 |
| giulivo | dkranz, is the suggestion to avoid tagging the tests with 'gate' or to use some different particular tag? | 17:12 |
| dkranz | giulivo: My idea was a different tag | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: because flaky fails are bugs, albeit sometimes obscure ones | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok yeah sdague can weigh in on this when he's back next week | 17:12 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I know. I guess I'm just a little more conservative | 17:13 |
| dkranz | But I can go with the flow | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: heh, ok | 17:13 |
| dkranz | That's it | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | I still think moving forward we should have a wiki page or a section in the docs about potential parallel issues | 17:13 |
| afazekas | I do not see this kind of issues fixed in fast way: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1211915, https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1205344 | 17:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1211915 in neutron "Connection to neutron failed: Maximum attempts reached" [High,Confirmed] | 17:13 |
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| mtreinish | lets move on, afazekas we can talk about that during the neutron topic | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | #topic stress tests status | 17:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stress tests status (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:14 | |
| mkoderer | ok | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer: you're up | 17:15 |
| mkoderer | so we have a decorator now @stresstest | 17:15 |
| mkoderer | what is left is to identify good candidates | 17:15 |
| mkoderer | to get this decorator | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer: do you have a list of criteria for what makes a good stress test candidate | 17:15 |
| mkoderer | maybe someone could help me with this task | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | so people can help you find them | 17:16 |
| mkoderer | mtreinish: yes would make sense to have such a list | 17:16 |
| mkoderer | I will prepare it and put it into the README | 17:16 |
| afazekas | mkoderer: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1205344 | 17:16 |
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| giulivo | mkoderer, mtreinish maybe the common create_get_delete tests we have around for the various resources could be a start? | 17:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1205344 in nova "mkfs error in test_stamp_pattern" [High,Confirmed] | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | giulivo: yeah those would probably work well | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer: yeah that's probably a good place to put it | 17:17 |
| afazekas | The tests cases which caused flaky issues are usually good candidates IMHO | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | and maybe start a thread on the ML about doing this | 17:17 |
| dkranz | mkoderer: If we think this is important there also might be things that are close but must need a tweak to be able to be stress candidates. | 17:17 |
| mkoderer | dkranz: yes right | 17:17 |
| dkranz | mkoderer: "just need a tweak" | 17:17 |
| mkoderer | so ok first step preparing a definition | 17:18 |
| mkoderer | and I am happy about any patch that introduces new stress tests :) | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer: ok cool | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | good work on this | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | is there anything else? | 17:18 |
| mkoderer | don't think so | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | ok then lets go to the next topic | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | #topic neutron status | 17:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "neutron status (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:19 | |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: you're up | 17:19 |
| mlavalle | mtreinish: I've been updating progress in https://etherpad.openstack.org/gate-tempest-devstack-vm-quantum-full | 17:19 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/gate-tempest-devstack-vm-quantum-full | 17:20 |
| mlavalle | We have fixed several things. By next week I will compare what is in the eteherpad with the logs | 17:20 |
| mtreinish | ok that's got a lot of details | 17:20 |
| mlavalle | and will provide a summary for the team in this meeting | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: ok, cool | 17:21 |
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| mlavalle | so we can asses how far we are from fixing that gate job | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | one other thing is that since everything else is in parallel now we probably won't push this voting until that works with neutron | 17:22 |
| mtreinish | even if the issues are all fixed | 17:22 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Yes | 17:22 |
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| mlavalle | cool with me | 17:22 |
| mlavalle | I will aslso be pushing code this weekend for managing networks in the isolation code | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | so https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1216076 should probably be priority | 17:23 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1216076 in tempest "Neutron jobs won't pass tempest running in parallel" [Critical,Confirmed] | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: ok, cool hopefully that will be all thats required for making neutron work in parallel | 17:23 |
| mlavalle | i'm crossing my fingers | 17:23 |
| mlavalle | ;-) | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | ok is there anything else about neutron that needs to be brought up? | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: you had a bug earlier? | 17:24 |
| mlavalle | nope. I'm done | 17:24 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: Next topic? | 17:26 |
| mtreinish | ok yeah | 17:26 |
| mtreinish | #topic Update on slow heat gating job | 17:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Update on slow heat gating job (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:26 | |
| afazekas | mtreinish: there is mysql side lock wait issue like issue which causes gate issues on single thread | 17:26 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: this one is yours | 17:26 |
| dkranz | afazekas: Are you looking at that? | 17:26 |
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| afazekas | dkranz: I did not seen myself yet.. | 17:27 |
| dkranz | afazekas: Is there anything to discuss now?> | 17:28 |
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| afazekas | dkranz: no | 17:28 |
| dkranz | afazekas: ok | 17:28 |
| afazekas | let's continue with heat | 17:28 |
| dkranz | The slow heat status is that everything is in place. | 17:28 |
| dkranz | THere is a job on the new "experimental" queue. | 17:29 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok cool | 17:29 |
| dkranz | The current problem is that the autoscale test cannot run because there is a missing image needed. | 17:29 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: is that a devstack issue? or a devstack-gate problem? | 17:29 |
| dkranz | sbaker and lifeless are working on getting that image into devstack | 17:29 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok, once that gets solved is the plan to add things to gate queue? | 17:30 |
| dkranz | Once the tests run we can move them into the gate for all projects | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok very cool | 17:30 |
| dkranz | I would recommend non-voting at first :) | 17:30 |
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| mtreinish | good work on this, it'll be nice to get coverage for another project in the gate | 17:31 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Yes. sbaker will let us know when we can proceed | 17:31 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I also put the job as experimental in devstack for debugging | 17:31 |
| dkranz | That's it. | 17:31 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: ok so one quick thing how do we run things in the experimental queue? | 17:31 |
| mtreinish | because this is new as of this week right? | 17:32 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: With a "check experimental" in a review comment. Yes this is new. | 17:32 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: You can see the definition in layout.yaml in zuul | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | #info to run experimental jobs leave a "check experimental" in a review comment. | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok cool thanks | 17:32 |
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| mtreinish | then lets go to the next topic | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | #topic critical reviews | 17:33 |
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| mtreinish | ok does anyone have any reviews that they would like to bring up | 17:33 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: Just that there are a lot of patches with +2 that are waiting for approval. | 17:34 |
| afazekas | tkammer? | 17:34 |
| tkammer_ | yeah | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok yeah, I've been a bit lax with the reviews because of all the parallel triage stuff | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | I'll take some time later today to go through those | 17:34 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I understand. We are light reviewers | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: well just 1 this week :) | 17:35 |
| tkammer_ | afazekas, are we talking about the auto config review yet? | 17:35 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: And a bunch are waiting for non-red-hat | 17:35 |
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| mtreinish | and I'm being furloughed next week so I'll be out | 17:35 |
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| mtreinish | ok if there aren't any reviews lets go to the next topic | 17:36 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Sorry to hear that. I will be around next week but out on Thursday so will miss next meeting. | 17:36 |
| afazekas | tkammer_: this is the part if you have review related question, you can ask it. | 17:36 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Testing client library compatibility | 17:36 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: this is yours too | 17:36 |
| tkammer_ | o.k then, I want to bring up the review of | 17:36 |
| dkranz | tkammer_: Go ahead | 17:36 |
| tkammer_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42920/ | 17:36 |
| tkammer_ | I wanted to ask a couple of things, but first | 17:37 |
| tkammer_ | I want to know what is the prefered way of implementing this | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | tkammer_: you've got the whole next topic about this | 17:37 |
| tkammer_ | mtreinish, o.k then, I'll wait :) | 17:37 |
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| dkranz | So the library issue is what I sent to the stable-branch ml and got no response. | 17:37 |
| dkranz | We say that libraries are supposed to work with older releases but nothing tests that. | 17:38 |
| dkranz | I proposed to add a gate job to each client lib that runs the last stable release but with master for client libs. | 17:38 |
| dkranz | And runs just the scenario tests or anything else that uses client libs. | 17:38 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: that sounds like a good thing to have | 17:39 |
| dkranz | I think that is straightforward technically but wanted input. | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | that should just be the cli tests and scenario at this point | 17:39 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: Yes | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I'm all for it | 17:39 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I wanted to make sure there were no gotchas with this approach. | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: there is probably something on the devstack side with the global requirements stuff in there | 17:40 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I don't know whether to interpret silence as consent or just no one wanted to respond. | 17:40 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I think it is really just running a stable branch job but pointing the ENV for clients to master. | 17:40 |
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| giulivo | dkranz, I think it's great, it'd be nice to tests latest clients with latest two releases maybe rather than just the latest | 17:41 |
| dkranz | giulivo: Well, that doesn't really scale. | 17:41 |
| dkranz | giulivo: I also proposed to add this test to the bitrot jobs for all older releases. | 17:41 |
| clarkb | guitarzan: dkranz mordred has been owrking on something like that | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: you might want to start a separate ML thread on dev and stable maint about this to get a wider pool of opinions | 17:41 |
| clarkb | when he gets back next week you may want to see what he had in mind | 17:41 |
| dkranz | clarkb: OK. I didn't get any reponse on my mail to the stable-maint list | 17:42 |
| dkranz | clarkb: Didn't know mordred was out | 17:42 |
| giulivo | dkranz, for all older releases doesn't scale I understand but my idea is that someone has got the havana clients and logs on a grizzly release | 17:42 |
| dkranz | giulivo: Yes, that is what this would be testing | 17:42 |
| giulivo | ok sorry for the bad wording than | 17:43 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok is there anything else on this topic? | 17:43 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Nope | 17:43 |
| mtreinish | ok then lets move on | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | #topic Devstack independent tempest usage | 17:44 |
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| mtreinish | afazekas: this is listed as yours but its about tkammer_ patch | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42920/ | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | so tkammer_ go ahead | 17:44 |
| tkammer_ | mtreinish, thanks | 17:44 |
| tkammer_ | I want to know what is the preferred way of implementing this, Python vs BASH | 17:45 |
| tkammer_ | I currently implemented it as BASH since I thought to go as the devstack guys did | 17:45 |
| tkammer_ | but if there is no objections, Python is an option as well | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | tkammer_: well normally we do things in python. We only use bash if there is a particular reason to do it in bash | 17:45 |
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| mtreinish | it makes it easier to review I think (at least for me) | 17:46 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: looks like someone copied it from the prev agenda :) | 17:46 |
| tkammer_ | O.k, that is why I wanted to ask in advance prior for me developing this into something more complex | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: oops :) | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | tkammer_: at least for me complex bash code can be harder to read | 17:46 |
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| mtreinish | tkammer_: also using python will let you call the client libs directly | 17:47 |
| mkoderer | +1 for python | 17:47 |
| tkammer_ | True, but than again, there is not much difference between calling the clients and calling the CLI :) just easier (for me) to parse the data later on :) | 17:47 |
| dkranz | tkammer_: You might find some useful utilities or ideas from https://github.com/stackforge/anvil | 17:48 |
| dkranz | tkammer_: A python version of devstack basically | 17:48 |
| mtreinish | tkammer_: the cli output really isn't the easiest to parse. (Look at the cli tests) But calling the libs just gives you a python object. | 17:49 |
| tkammer_ | dkehn, interesting, thanks! | 17:49 |
| tkammer_ | mtreinish, I agree | 17:49 |
| tkammer_ | I prefer myself python | 17:49 |
| tkammer_ | but was not sure what is the correct way to implement this :) | 17:49 |
| tkammer_ | O.k, I will convert this into python and start working on a more complex initialization | 17:50 |
| dkranz | tkammer_: Well there are a few votes for python and none for bash... | 17:50 |
| tkammer_ | dkranz, I think that says it all :) | 17:50 |
| afazekas | IMHO we should start with basic python version, extended it step by step.. | 17:50 |
| mtreinish | tkammer_: ok is there anything else on this topic? | 17:51 |
| tkammer_ | mtreinish, not on this topic, but I would like to comment about my initial use of tempest | 17:51 |
| tkammer_ | is it alright to raise it now? | 17:51 |
| tkammer_ | or should I wait? | 17:51 |
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| mtreinish | tkammer_: we've got another topic to go and <10min so can you hold it for after the meeting? | 17:52 |
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| dkranz | tkammer_: I think sending that to the qa list would be good value | 17:52 |
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| dkranz | tkammer_: And easier to type in an email :) | 17:52 |
| tkammer_ | dkranz, mtreinish o.k, I will wait with it :) | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | ok then lets go to last topic on the agenda | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | #topic BP proposal: rework "skip test" functionaly | 17:52 |
| dkranz | tkammer_: Or discuss in #openstack-qa | 17:52 |
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| mtreinish | mkoderer: this is yours | 17:53 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: Sorry, I have to run out. | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok np | 17:53 |
| mkoderer | I remeber that we discussed about skipping interface one of the last meetings | 17:53 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Talk to you in two weeks | 17:53 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: yep cya | 17:53 |
| mkoderer | and I had a disussion about it with giulivo | 17:53 |
| mkoderer | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43490/ | 17:54 |
| mkoderer | so would it make sense to add a blueprint to change all needed things in that area | 17:54 |
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| mtreinish | mkoderer: that commit is just to make skip messages easier to parse for the skip_tracker | 17:54 |
| mkoderer | e.g. instead of duplicating code like "@testtools.skip('Skipped until the Bug #1170718 is resolved.')" | 17:54 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1170718 in nova "nova list --ip filter shows all instances" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1170718 | 17:54 |
| mkoderer | I would like to have a decorator @skip(bug=12345) | 17:55 |
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| giulivo | mkoderer, I think that would be nice and could also help the accounting of the skips | 17:55 |
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| mtreinish | mkoderer: that's an interesting idea, but I think having the flexibility in the message is needed | 17:55 |
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| giulivo | maybe we should ensure bug= accepts a list as argument :P | 17:56 |
| mkoderer | mtreinish: the field "bug" could be optional | 17:56 |
| mkoderer | and we add a field "message" | 17:56 |
| mkoderer | I think we could find a way | 17:56 |
| mkoderer | so maybe I will brain storm a bit what we can do in that area | 17:57 |
| mkoderer | and put it on the ML? | 17:57 |
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| afazekas | Sooner or later we will have zillion of decorators, can we have one decorator, can we have single decorator on all test classes for centralizing decorator magic ? | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer: I'm not opposed to this idea, I like it. But we've got a lot of other things on the bp list already | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: I'm fine with having lots of decorators | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | we may want to centralize their definition though | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | like a utils file | 17:58 |
| afazekas | What if we would have json or csv file with test_method name, and bug numbers for skipping ? | 17:58 |
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| mtreinish | mkoderer: yeah starting a ML thread would be the right way to do it | 17:58 |
| mtreinish | and you can open up the bp too for that discussion as well | 17:58 |
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| mkoderer | mtreinish: yes it's a question of prioritization | 17:58 |
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| afazekas | mtreinish: ok | 17:59 |
| mkoderer | just wanted to know if you are interested in general | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer: everyone | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | 'is always interested in improvments | 17:59 |
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| mtreinish | it's just a matter of time to get to everything | 17:59 |
| mkoderer | :) ok - I will put on the ML | 17:59 |
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| mtreinish | ok so we're basically out of time | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 29 17:59:58 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-08-29-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| mtreinish | thanks eveyone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-08-29-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-08-29-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
| mtreinish | I won't be here next week because of the furlough :( | 18:00 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting openstack security group | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 29 18:03:17 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:03 |
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| hyakuhei | Good morning/evening everyone! | 18:03 |
| malini1 | hello hyakuhei!!!!! long time | 18:03 |
| sriramhere | hi there | 18:03 |
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| rellerreller | hello | 18:03 |
| bpb | hi | 18:03 |
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| hyakuhei | Should we do a quick who's who? I see a lot of familiar faces. | 18:04 |
| hyakuhei | s/faces/nics/ heh. | 18:04 |
| malini1 | malini1 is still malini bhandaru from Intel | 18:04 |
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| * hyakuhei is Rob C from HP Cloud Services | 18:04 | |
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| bpb | Bruce B from APL | 18:04 |
| rellerreller | nate reller from APL | 18:04 |
| sriramhere | sriramhere is Sriram, an independent consultant, based off in Seattle. | 18:04 |
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| hyakuhei | ok. great. Looks like we've got the usual suspects | 18:05 |
| rlp | Randy Perryman - Dell | 18:05 |
| malini1 | hello rlp! first time? | 18:05 |
| hyakuhei | I think he's been a lurker in the past perhaps... | 18:05 |
| hyakuhei | Great so how is everybody, ready to take security to the next level? Lets go over some outstanding tasks! | 18:06 |
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| rlp | I have been on the session off/on for the last year | 18:06 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Actions From Previous Meetings | 18:06 |
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| hyakuhei | Right, I see actions for Bryan who I think is on a plane right now and sriramhere who is here. sriramhere any updates? | 18:06 |
| sriramhere | i followed up with Thierry on adding tag 'SecurityImpact' to the blueprints | 18:07 |
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| sriramhere | unfortunately, no easy way as of now. | 18:07 |
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| sriramhere | what was suggested is to document the process of how OSSG can be involved during the design phase | 18:07 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah, that's tricky | 18:08 |
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| malini1 | Bryan had mentioned on the on the mailing list that he had someone lined up to create th OSSG logo | 18:08 |
| hyakuhei | we're missing a whole bunch of 'how to get involved' typed documentation and processes | 18:08 |
| sriramhere | may be we could add this to the wiki that Bryan was working on? | 18:08 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah, I think that should be sorted soon. We're still waiting from agreement from the OpenStack people on wether we can use it or not | 18:08 |
| malini1 | bryan showed us his wiki on how to get involved, pretty detailed and complete | 18:09 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok, it's not against my name already but I'm going to do my best to get the 6 OSSNs that are currently in the queue published | 18:09 |
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| thomasbiege | hi | 18:09 |
| hyakuhei | malini1: yeah, I helped with that a little bit, it's a big step forward for sure but we could do more to help new guys | 18:09 |
| thomasbiege | sorry for being late | 18:09 |
| sriramhere | malini1, may be just add a section on the same wiki to see how we can be involved early on? | 18:09 |
| hyakuhei | hi thomasbiege | 18:09 |
| malini1 | on the cert checking OSSN, i took a look but could not think of what more to add. you and theirry had covered it all and there really is no work around today | 18:10 |
| rellerreller | Maybe PTLs could alert us of BPs that they want added to next release | 18:10 |
| rellerreller | That would be a good time for us to review IMHO | 18:10 |
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| rellerreller | That way we are reviewing relavent BPs. That's my thinking. | 18:11 |
| hyakuhei | rellerreller: Yeah I think so. Does someone want to take an action for looking into that. Potentially we could get something added to the BP submission page, just indicating that they have a security resource available. | 18:11 |
| sriramhere | wait - the tag was suggested to provide an easy way to alert us, rt? | 18:12 |
| sriramhere | during the BP stage. but tag is not easy to add on. | 18:12 |
| hyakuhei | Maybe I misunderstood, I didn't think tagging was going to work | 18:12 |
| malini1 | Also pro-actively we could assign a person from our group to do a weekly trawl on the BPs arriving for security impact | 18:12 |
| sriramhere | right it wasn't | 18:12 |
| hyakuhei | #action hyakuhei to publish OSSNs | 18:12 |
| rellerreller | Maybe not a tag, but after PTL takes interest in BP and change priority then send us email | 18:12 |
| hyakuhei | malini1: yes, I think that could work. Is there a nice way to receive email updates of new BPs? | 18:13 |
| rellerreller | Not ideal, but it's something | 18:13 |
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| rellerreller | I don't know | 18:13 |
| sriramhere | so the onus is on PTL/ BP creater then? | 18:13 |
| hyakuhei | Sounds like an action :P | 18:13 |
| malini1 | hyakuhei -- no BP alerts I know of, just bug | 18:13 |
| rellerreller | I can look into this | 18:13 |
| hyakuhei | We could tool something up to trawl trivially enough, even if its with python-mechanize or something similar | 18:14 |
| malini1 | how about we assign folks to services they are interested, for big services, may be alternate folks on a weekly basis? | 18:14 |
| hyakuhei | #action rellerreller to work out how the security team can monitor blueprints either by service or as a whole | 18:14 |
| rellerreller | Sounds good | 18:14 |
| hyakuhei | I think I'd like one or two 'editors' for OSSNs that I can get to check drafts before I send them out. Sending drafts to the ML generates a lot of noise and it's hard to know when to send | 18:15 |
| sriramhere | anyone wants to take action on adding section to wiki on how OSSG can get involved? | 18:15 |
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| malini1 | hyakuhei: on the cert checking OSSN, i took a look but could not think of what more to add. you and theirry had covered it all and there really is no work around today | 18:15 |
| hyakuhei | sriramhere: volunteering? Bryan and I can help with that | 18:16 |
| sriramhere | during desin stage that is | 18:16 |
| sriramhere | OK, i can take a first stab on it | 18:16 |
| hyakuhei | malini1: ok, I annotated where I thought it was a bit light, I can fill in those bits and publish it this week. Thanks for looking :) | 18:16 |
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| hyakuhei | #action sriramhere to look at adding OSSG involvement for design stage info to the security wiki | 18:17 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Summit | 18:17 |
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| hyakuhei | Just a reminder to go find your favorite security topics and vote for them. Note that we don't have a security track this time around so the security content is contending with other technical content for very few slots - be kind to your security peers | 18:18 |
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| sriramhere | voting is complete, rt? | 18:18 |
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| hyakuhei | Sigh, it may be, I'm looking at the notes of things I wanted to say at the last meeting that I couldn't make. | 18:18 |
| hyakuhei | Well, in that case cross your fingers that we have a decent turnout. I'm really disappointed that there's no dedicated security track. A year ago we had half a day, the last summit we had a full day and this summit has seen it absorbed into 'Technical Deep Dive' | 18:19 |
| hyakuhei | I'm a track chair for Technical Deep Dive and I'll try to make sure there is a fair balance there but there's an aweful lot of content. | 18:20 |
| hyakuhei | Right, what else? | 18:20 |
| hyakuhei | #topic AOB | 18:20 |
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| sriramhere | agree, but this also gives us all days to show case security when and wherever applicable:) | 18:20 |
| malini1 | hyakuhei -- we will then disperse in the design sessions and keep ears open for security issues | 18:20 |
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| malini1 | AOB? | 18:21 |
| hyakuhei | malini1: Yup, thats where I met most of the folk here - by standing in the back of the room and pointing out all the terrible ideas! | 18:21 |
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| hyakuhei | AOB == Any Other Business | 18:21 |
| malini1 | :-) | 18:21 |
| malini1 | I took a stab at a glossary since I was constantly googling abbreviations for our security guide | 18:22 |
| hyakuhei | Is anyone in a position to give a roundup on what's happeneing with Encryption? I guess a lot of weight is on Barbican for the KM part now | 18:22 |
| hyakuhei | malini1: oh yes I need to look at that, is it still in open review? | 18:22 |
| malini1 | other than that Sriramhere and I have a pact to had 2 slides a day to the slide set for openstack security guide, hopefully by next meeting we have some draft to share with group | 18:22 |
| malini1 | yes hyakuhei | 18:22 |
| rellerreller | It is still in open review. The Cinder code was accepted, but we are still waiting on the Nova piece | 18:23 |
| hyakuhei | The cinder code was finally accepted, fantastic | 18:23 |
| rellerreller | Nova wants us to support boot from volumes | 18:23 |
| rlp | Looking forward to the security guide | 18:23 |
| rellerreller | We are trying to get done by code freeze, but we don't know yet | 18:23 |
| malini1 | rellerreller, was Joel able to handle boot from an encrypted volume, i know russelb will stretch deadline for that | 18:24 |
| hyakuhei | rlp: http://docs.openstack.org/sec/ | 18:24 |
| rellerreller | We are still looking at the code | 18:24 |
| rellerreller | I have not heard from him since yesterday. My guess is that he locked himself in his office trying to work through it. | 18:24 |
| hyakuhei | malini1: I'll update the security metrics stuff in the guide this week if I get the chance | 18:25 |
| hyakuhei | #action hyakuhei to update security metrics/response part of the security guide with more content | 18:25 |
| malini1 | :)all the best to joel. hyakuhei -- tackling the OSSNs is enough for the weekend | 18:25 |
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| hyakuhei | There's quite a backlog of stuff to do | 18:26 |
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| hyakuhei | Depending on the voting I have 2-3 presentations to give/write ... | 18:27 |
| malini1 | which ones did you propose? | 18:27 |
| hyakuhei | Hmmm. 'Whos' attacking your cloud, motiviations and mitigations', 'The elephant in the room, VM escapes/hypervisor breakouts' and 'OpenStack Security Group' | 18:28 |
| hyakuhei | oh and we have the book panel too | 18:28 |
| sriramhere | @thomasbiege - i will respond to your email on security tests | 18:28 |
| hyakuhei | If any of them get voted for lol | 18:28 |
| hyakuhei | Righto, anything else to cover here guys? | 18:28 |
| thomasbiege | sriramhere: ok! | 18:28 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok well I guess that'll do it | 18:29 |
| sriramhere | have a great week end, summer is officially over in this part of world! | 18:29 |
| hyakuhei | Have a great week you guys, thanks everyone! | 18:29 |
| malini1 | bye everyone, long weekend in USA, enjoy | 18:29 |
| rellerreller | bye | 18:29 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 18:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 29 18:29:52 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-08-29-18.03.html | 18:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-08-29-18.03.txt | 18:29 |
| thomasbiege | bye guys and gals | 18:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-08-29-18.03.log.html | 18:29 |
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| harlowja | #startmeeting state-management | 19:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 29 19:59:18 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'state_management' | 19:59 |
| harlowja | oops, 30 seconds to early, lol | 19:59 |
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| harlowja | hallooooooo | 20:00 |
| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StateManagement | 20:00 |
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| harlowja | hmmm, if nobody around then its a quick meeting, ha | 20:01 |
| changbl | quick one? :) | 20:01 |
| harlowja | sweet, hi changbl | 20:01 |
| changbl | hey man | 20:01 |
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| harlowja | hey | 20:01 |
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| harlowja | might just be me and u, ha | 20:02 |
| changbl | oops... what happened? | 20:02 |
| changbl | vacation? | 20:02 |
| harlowja | or busy, jessica i think is busy, i guess ivan to | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | let me see if we had any action items from last time | 20:03 |
| harlowja | #topic previous-items | 20:03 |
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| harlowja | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_state_management/2013/openstack_state_management.2013-08-22-20.00.html | 20:03 |
| harlowja | so i did find a sock puppet app for iphone/ipad | 20:03 |
| harlowja | #link https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/sock-puppets/id394504903 | 20:03 |
| harlowja | so i might mess around with that, haha | 20:04 |
| harlowja | and i did go through the twiki and added a few more use-cases, cleaned up a few sections | 20:04 |
| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TaskFlow#Further_use-cases | 20:04 |
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| harlowja | those are other things i think taskflow can help out with | 20:04 |
| kebray | hello. | 20:05 |
| changbl | at first glance, we will use taskflow to stop/upgrade/restart openstack services? | 20:05 |
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| harlowja | hmmm, not really, i think that taskflow can help those service actions not behave so badly | 20:06 |
| harlowja | kebray hii | 20:06 |
| harlowja | changbl let me see if i can readjust that, the description there was more about how the problem exists and how taskflow can help make it better | 20:06 |
| changbl | all right, sounds like a good idea, not sure of the acceptance by others | 20:06 |
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| harlowja | changbl sure, i'll adjust that to make that more obvious | 20:07 |
| changbl | harlowja, did you throw this idea into the mailing list to see what others think? | 20:07 |
| harlowja | not yet, i always thought it was an inherent thing that taskflow offers, but might be worth a mailing list post | 20:08 |
| changbl | ok | 20:08 |
| harlowja | changbl when u stop say nova-compute, i guess the question is how does that work for u, does it sometimes leave hypervisors half-way completed? | 20:09 |
| changbl | did not encounter this problem before ... | 20:09 |
| changbl | seems smooth for me | 20:09 |
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| harlowja | hmmm, interesting, ok | 20:10 |
| harlowja | seems like in general projects if they are forced to stop, when they are in the process of doing actions don't exactly handle that so well | 20:10 |
| harlowja | and u typically force them to stop when doing an upgrade, when the hardware fails... | 20:10 |
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| harlowja | anyways | 20:11 |
| changbl | ah, I see... never stop nova-compute when it was performing actions... | 20:11 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:11 |
| changbl | guess i have not had that much experience with openstack in production | 20:11 |
| harlowja | so ya, thats not exactly something i personally believe is acceptable software design ;) | 20:11 |
| harlowja | it should always be stoppable | 20:12 |
| harlowja | and it should recover | 20:12 |
| changbl | make sense to me | 20:12 |
| harlowja | i'll update the wiki there to make that more obvious | 20:12 |
| changbl | sounds good | 20:12 |
| harlowja | cool | 20:13 |
| harlowja | #topic status | 20:13 |
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| changbl | i see a lot of commits from Ivan | 20:13 |
| harlowja | yup | 20:13 |
| harlowja | he's been busy, ha | 20:13 |
| changbl | with taskflow? or others? | 20:14 |
| harlowja | taskflow afaik | 20:14 |
| harlowja | talking to him i think we can start getting some of those in next week | 20:14 |
| harlowja | and see how that goes | 20:14 |
| changbl | i took a rough look at the code | 20:14 |
| changbl | will need more time to review carefully | 20:14 |
| harlowja | agreed, same here | 20:15 |
| harlowja | i think thats his prototype review also (so its not finished) | 20:15 |
| harlowja | he just wanted to get it out there so that we could start thinking about it | 20:15 |
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| harlowja | as for me, i've just been working on the persistance of flows and experimenting with how we can save tasks and flows to the backiing logbook changes done recently | 20:16 |
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| harlowja | and not just save them, but restore them | 20:16 |
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| harlowja | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43814/ isn't up to date, but its a WIP | 20:16 |
| harlowja | it gets complicated when u have arbitarily complex flows/tasks, which is why it will be interesting to see how ivan/anastasia will handle it | 20:17 |
| changbl | yes, saw your recent changes, will keep an eye on it | 20:18 |
| harlowja | cool :) | 20:18 |
| harlowja | thx changbl | 20:18 |
| changbl | what is this file "askflow/persistence/backends/sqlalchemy/alembic/versions/21da24117e42_add_task_and_flow_ty.py"? | 20:18 |
| harlowja | ah, alembic migration | 20:18 |
| harlowja | instead of 002_blah_db.py like in sqlalchemy-migrate | 20:19 |
| harlowja | alembic uses this other way, so not 002 | 20:19 |
| harlowja | the naming i don't really like, ha | 20:19 |
| harlowja | but it automatically creates those | 20:19 |
| changbl | seems a very alien file to me... | 20:19 |
| harlowja | ya | 20:20 |
| harlowja | https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer/tree/master/ceilometer/storage/sqlalchemy/alembic/versions | 20:20 |
| harlowja | i guess openstack is moving toward that alembic for migrations | 20:20 |
| harlowja | so u'll see similar stuff more often i think | 20:20 |
| harlowja | *for better or worse* | 20:21 |
| changbl | ah, i see.... gonna learn yet another library | 20:21 |
| harlowja | ya | 20:21 |
| changbl | i learned quite some libraries these days | 20:21 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:21 |
| changbl | btw, how is the distributed task queue/celery work? | 20:22 |
| harlowja | kebray do u have any update there, i guess jessica is out today | 20:22 |
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| ekarlso- | what are you gonna remove threaded flow ? | 20:23 |
| harlowja | whattt | 20:24 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:24 |
| harlowja | ekarlso- not afaik, it might change a little with ivans work, but i don't think it will affect u at this moment | 20:24 |
| harlowja | so no worries ekarlso- ! | 20:24 |
| harlowja | we got u covered | 20:25 |
| ekarlso- | :/ | 20:25 |
| changbl | harlowja, anyway, i put some comments there on jessica's commit, will wait for her to respond. | 20:25 |
| harlowja | changbl agreed | 20:25 |
| harlowja | cool, so let me jump into a vote that ivan wanted | 20:25 |
| kebray | harlowja sorry, got distracted. | 20:25 |
| harlowja | ah | 20:25 |
| harlowja | np | 20:25 |
| kebray | Yeah, school is back in session, so jlucci's schedule is sort of sporadic for a bit. | 20:26 |
| harlowja | understood | 20:26 |
| changbl | Is she a student ? :) | 20:26 |
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| kebray | She's still just plugging along at Trove.. I know she had a meeting w/Trove developers last week. They got very excited. | 20:26 |
| kebray | They liked what TaskFlow had to offer. | 20:26 |
| harlowja | sweet | 20:26 |
| kebray | changbl She is currently attending university. | 20:27 |
| changbl | kebray, part-time I guess? | 20:27 |
| kebray | So, I don't anticipate much push back on the work she will be doing in Trove... but, we'll keep monitoring that to make sure it goes smooth. | 20:27 |
| kebray | full-time work, full-time school... but, she loads most of her classes on Tues/Thur. | 20:28 |
| harlowja | busy bee, woah | 20:28 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:28 |
| changbl | double full-time, wow! | 20:28 |
| kebray | technically part-time work... but, she manages to put in quite a few hours. | 20:28 |
| changbl | i see... | 20:28 |
| kebray | anyway. | 20:28 |
| harlowja | kebray do u think we should see if anyone wants to jump on the distributed stuff to help out | 20:29 |
| harlowja | i'm not sure who that might be, but i can look around, ha | 20:29 |
| kebray | that would be great... I"m resource constrained. | 20:29 |
| harlowja | k, let me see what i can do | 20:29 |
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| kebray | My hope is she can finish up Trove work soon, and then let those devs carry on with that... and, put her back on Distributed with intentions of figuring out how to work things into Heat in a way that the community will find valuable, through collaboration with them of course. | 20:30 |
| harlowja | agreed | 20:30 |
| harlowja | its the same with me and cinder i guess | 20:31 |
| kebray | So, it might make sense if someone wants to help her with the Trove stuff first :-) | 20:31 |
| harlowja | inspire them to see it, then hope that they can run with some of it | 20:31 |
| harlowja | hmmm, so much to tackle | 20:31 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:31 |
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| harlowja | changbl is anyone in your area interested the distributed pieces? | 20:32 |
| harlowja | if not at this moment, thats fine also | 20:32 |
| changbl | not as far as I know... | 20:32 |
| harlowja | k | 20:32 |
| harlowja | let me jump topics into the glance meeting that happened | 20:33 |
| harlowja | #topic glance-meeting | 20:33 |
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| harlowja | so there was a meeting on monday morning with the glance folks | 20:33 |
| harlowja | i think they are interested in using it for some of there task work, the meeting was more of a what is this, what are u trying to accomplish and all of that | 20:33 |
| harlowja | so i think there is shared interest in making it work in someway inside glance | 20:34 |
| changbl | harlowja, sounds great | 20:34 |
| harlowja | the meeting was in #openstack-glance so it wasn't logged (sadly) | 20:34 |
| harlowja | but i think positive involvement there | 20:34 |
| harlowja | overall we just need to keep in touch with them, help them explore i think | 20:34 |
| harlowja | and then we can be in glance (maybe in H, unsure) | 20:34 |
| harlowja | kebray that means cough cough 2 core projects btw ;) | 20:35 |
| kebray | :-) | 20:35 |
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| kebray | I'm meeting internally with John G. soon too, btw. to talk more about nova integration. | 20:35 |
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| harlowja | so i'm going to try to continue working with them, if i can get some time to make that happen and help them see how much of taskflow they want/can use, which i think does align with there future goals of having a little task engine in glance to do import/export/convert (of images) | 20:36 |
| harlowja | thx kebray that sounds great, let me know if u need me | 20:36 |
| changbl | +1 kebray | 20:36 |
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| kebray | will definitely let you know harlowja. | 20:36 |
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| harlowja | great, thx kebray | 20:37 |
| harlowja | nikhil yt | 20:37 |
| harlowja | nikhil i think is the main person thats doing some of the glance -task work | 20:38 |
| harlowja | ok, will chat with him later i think | 20:38 |
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| harlowja | kebray when u get a chance, would u check over https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TaskFlow#Further_use-cases also, let me know if they don't make sense | 20:39 |
| harlowja | i think i have one modification to do there to make the 'Service stop/upgrade/restart' make more sense | 20:39 |
| harlowja | adrian_otto might be interested also | 20:39 |
| kebray | was reading that a minute ago... I'm not an expert on nova services (e.g. I don't have experience running openstack myself too much)... but, the use-case seemed good. | 20:39 |
| adrian_otto | on a call. Will read scrollback later. | 20:40 |
| harlowja | ok, its not really nova specific | 20:40 |
| harlowja | its just generic openstack specific really | 20:40 |
| harlowja | maybe i shouldn't mention individual services | 20:40 |
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| kebray | I did the read _very_ quickly. | 20:41 |
| harlowja | np | 20:41 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:41 |
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| harlowja | ok that covers my topics i think, ekarlso- i think has been working with billingstack and has been in touch also, so +1 there | 20:42 |
| harlowja | thx ekarlso- :) | 20:42 |
| harlowja | #topic open-discuss | 20:42 |
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| harlowja | and the vote that ivan wanted, which might not be much of a controversy, ha | 20:42 |
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| kebray | harlowja, do you know when speaking submissions get accepted/rejected? | 20:43 |
| harlowja | hmmm, kebray not sure | 20:43 |
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| harlowja | that would be useful to know i think, ha | 20:43 |
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| kebray | I'm looking for it. | 20:43 |
| harlowja | #startvote change __call__() for tasks -> execute()? Yes, No, Maybe | 20:44 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: change __call__() for tasks -> execute()? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Maybe. | 20:44 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:44 |
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| harlowja | ^ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44008/ | 20:44 |
| uvirtbot | harlowja: Error: "https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44008/" is not a valid command. | 20:44 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44008/ | 20:44 |
| changbl | #vote Maybe | 20:44 |
| changbl | i am fine with either... | 20:44 |
| harlowja | #vote Yes | 20:44 |
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| harlowja | since i'm fine with seeing how it works, and i think __call__ might have to much inherent meaning | 20:44 |
| changbl | aloo right | 20:45 |
| changbl | s/aloo/all/ | 20:45 |
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| harlowja | ya, i know ivan wants it, don't think it will be to harmful :) | 20:45 |
| changbl | agreed | 20:45 |
| changbl | i have some issues with execute_with and revert_with though | 20:45 |
| changbl | remote "_with"? | 20:45 |
| changbl | s/remote/remove/ | 20:45 |
| harlowja | hmmm | 20:46 |
| harlowja | possibly | 20:46 |
| changbl | that way specifying a task will need less typing :) | 20:46 |
| harlowja | sure, and i guess when u do execute=blah, its inherent that the '=' means with | 20:46 |
| harlowja | hmmmm | 20:47 |
| changbl | right... kind of obvious | 20:47 |
| harlowja | and less typing, ha | 20:47 |
| changbl | exactly | 20:47 |
| harlowja | seems like that makes sense to me | 20:47 |
| harlowja | anyone else wanna vote, ha :-P | 20:47 |
| changbl | haha, vote again | 20:47 |
| kebray | harlowja: Speaking submission notification will happen by email in mid-September. | 20:48 |
| changbl | i can make a patch later, if people are not against it | 20:48 |
| harlowja | thx kebray | 20:48 |
| harlowja | #endvote | 20:48 |
| openstack | Voted on "change __call__() for tasks -> execute()?" Results are | 20:48 |
| openstack | Maybe (1): changbl | 20:48 |
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| openstack | Yes (1): harlowja | 20:48 |
| changbl | :) | 20:48 |
| kevinconway | harlowja: kebray: if you don't already, some of you folks might want to sit in on our trove meetings. we're talking a lot about scheduled tasks lately | 20:48 |
| harlowja | #startvote remove '_with'? Yes, No, Maybe | 20:48 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: remove '_with'? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Maybe. | 20:48 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:48 |
| kebray | kevinconway when are those meetings? | 20:49 |
| harlowja | kevinconway sure | 20:49 |
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| kevinconway | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 20:49 |
| changbl | #vote Yes | 20:49 |
| harlowja | #vote Yes | 20:49 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:49 |
| harlowja | thx kevinconway | 20:49 |
| changbl | ^_^ | 20:49 |
| uvirtbot | changbl: Error: "_^" is not a valid command. | 20:49 |
| harlowja | i'll see if i can make sure i attend kevinconway | 20:49 |
| harlowja | scheduled tasks is an interseting area, still unsure if taskflow should get into that yet | 20:49 |
| harlowja | or should something be built ontop of taskflow to do the scheduling | 20:50 |
| kevinconway | harlowja: it's still in the design phase for tasks | 20:50 |
| harlowja | sure sure | 20:50 |
| harlowja | ok, any more voters?? | 20:50 |
| kevinconway | but it would be another opportunity to mention taskflow | 20:50 |
| harlowja | agreed | 20:50 |
| harlowja | #endvote | 20:50 |
| openstack | Voted on "remove '_with'?" Results are | 20:51 |
| openstack | Yes (2): harlowja, changbl | 20:51 |
| harlowja | changbl there u go, ha | 20:51 |
| changbl | cool! | 20:51 |
| * harlowja we need more voters, ha | 20:51 | |
| harlowja | #action harlowja find more voters | 20:51 |
| changbl | lol | 20:51 |
| kebray | The trove meeting is Wednesdays at 1pm Pacfic time? that can't be... that's the same time as the Heat meeting. | 20:51 |
| * kebray maybe has his timezone conversations all confused again. | 20:51 | |
| harlowja | :) | 20:52 |
| kevinconway | kebray: we meet in #openstack-meeting-alt | 20:52 |
| harlowja | 20:00 is when this one is, so it would be yesterday | 20:52 |
| harlowja | 20:00 is also when glances is (right now in #openstack-meeting-alt) | 20:52 |
| kebray | ah, well, then that's the problem for me... I attend the Heat meeting... will have to work on my multitasking skills :-) | 20:52 |
| harlowja | everyone choose like 2000 i think | 20:52 |
| harlowja | anyways, any more things to chat about? if not then #openstack-state-management | 20:53 |
| kebray | nothing more from me. | 20:54 |
| changbl | ditto | 20:54 |
| harlowja | cool, thx kebray changbl :) | 20:54 |
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| harlowja | till next time! | 20:54 |
| harlowja | #endmeeting | 20:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 29 20:54:47 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-08-29-19.59.html | 20:54 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-08-29-19.59.txt | 20:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-08-29-19.59.log.html | 20:54 |
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| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 29 21:00:40 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| russellb | Hello, everyone! | 21:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| mriedem | hi | 21:00 |
| melwitt | hi | 21:00 |
| alaski | hello | 21:00 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:00 |
| jog0 | o/ | 21:00 |
| cyeoh_ | hi | 21:00 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 21:00 |
| hartsocks | o/ | 21:01 |
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| n0ano | ls -ltr /rpm/ | 21:01 |
| russellb | n0ano: orly? :) | 21:01 |
| bnemec | \o | 21:01 |
| russellb | #topic havana-3 status | 21:01 |
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| n0ano | russellb, too many windows and the pointer doesn't follow my eyes yet :-) | 21:01 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 21:01 |
| russellb | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:01 |
| russellb | 17 blueprints implemented, 60 others up for review | 21:01 |
| russellb | feature freeze merge deadline is in just over one week | 21:01 |
| russellb | err, under one week | 21:02 |
| mikal | Hi | 21:02 |
| russellb | for reference, we completed 25 blueprints in h2, and 17 in h1 | 21:02 |
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| russellb | so ... i suspect a large number will have to get bumped due to capacity, unfortunately | 21:02 |
| russellb | if you need something to help you prioritize reviews, i suggest looking at http://status.openstack.org/reviews/ | 21:03 |
| russellb | if you haven't before. it factors in bug and/or blueprint priority into the sorting | 21:03 |
| russellb | any specific items anyone would like to cover regarding havana-3? | 21:03 |
| russellb | other than ... for review in open_reviews: print 'please review: %s' % review | 21:04 |
| russellb | :-) | 21:04 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:04 |
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| mikal | The libvirt console stuff doesn't rate well in that review list | 21:04 |
| mikal | Not sure why, its pretty important | 21:04 |
| russellb | but if there are particular road blocks we should talk about, now is a good time ... | 21:04 |
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| russellb | mikal: not sure why either, it's one of the top priority blueprints | 21:04 |
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| russellb | mikal: oh, you have it linked to the bug, not blueprint | 21:05 |
| mriedem | i've got a patch with a +2 that's in the dep chain for the powervm-configdrive blueprint... | 21:05 |
| mriedem | kind of blocking that bp | 21:05 |
| mikal | russellb: hmmm, ok I will fix that | 21:05 |
| russellb | mikal: not sure how this will react if you link to both | 21:05 |
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| mikal | russellb: new plan then. Just review it! | 21:06 |
| mikal | :P | 21:06 |
| russellb | mikal: heh, k | 21:06 |
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| russellb | a lot of people seem to be busy with either travel, or pushing their own patches | 21:06 |
| mriedem | or furlough... | 21:06 |
| russellb | i really don't feel like there's more than usual review bandwidth right now | 21:06 |
| russellb | mriedem: yes :-( | 21:06 |
| russellb | they should have taken our feature freeze into account, gah | 21:06 |
| mriedem | oh well, i rebased one of dansmith's topic branches :) | 21:07 |
| russellb | mriedem: awesome, i'm sure he'll appreciate it | 21:07 |
| russellb | any other havana-3 comments or questions? | 21:07 |
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| russellb | after the feature freeze, there is a process for requesting a feature freeze exception | 21:08 |
| jog0 | russellb: just an FYI I am working on getting a fake scale jenkins test up to check for major performance regressions like we have had in the past (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43779/). It will try spawning 100VMs at once or so with fake virt driver. Want to get it up after H3 | 21:08 |
| russellb | fancy | 21:08 |
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| russellb | definitely interested in how that comes along | 21:08 |
| jog0 | and another test for computer pcapi compat | 21:08 |
| jog0 | russellb: early results are really good actaully (for perf) | 21:08 |
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| russellb | as in, haven't made it worse since grizzly? | 21:09 |
| russellb | or made it better? | 21:09 |
| yjiang5 | jog0: will it have any performance impact to jekins itself to create 45 VMs? | 21:10 |
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| jog0 | russellb: didn't compare with grizzly actually but much better with the iptables and rootwrap fixes | 21:10 |
| jog0 | yjiang5: nope | 21:10 |
| yjiang5 | jog0: great. | 21:10 |
| jog0 | yjiang5: using the fakevirt driver so its even less work | 21:10 |
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| clarkb | jog0: there is the super micro flavor size if you do want to try spining up actual VMs | 21:11 |
| clarkb | I think we can fit a bunch of those on the 8GB test nodes | 21:11 |
| russellb | alright, let's jump to subteams | 21:12 |
| jog0 | clarkb: thats an option but the test can't stress the test node otherwise it will be flakey itself | 21:12 |
| russellb | #topic sub-team reports | 21:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "sub-team reports (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:12 | |
| russellb | any subteams want to give a report? | 21:12 |
| * hartsocks waves | 21:12 | |
| russellb | jog0: sorry, we can come back to it in open discussion | 21:12 |
| n0ano | scheduler - nothing to report, no meeting this week. | 21:12 |
| russellb | n0ano: alrighty | 21:12 |
| russellb | hartsocks: go for it | 21:12 |
| jog0 | russellb: I am done, np | 21:13 |
| hartsocks | I've got 6 reviews for blueprints in front of me… | 21:13 |
| hartsocks | I'm tempted to whine for reviews right now … but I do mail the mailing lists... | 21:13 |
| hartsocks | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30282/ | 21:13 |
| * russellb nods | 21:13 | |
| hartsocks | That's the one blueprint I'll risk some ire for. | 21:14 |
| hartsocks | Everything is up and either in revision or waiting on reviewer attention. | 21:14 |
| hartsocks | That's about it. | 21:14 |
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| russellb | alright, i know you guys are dying for that to go in :) | 21:14 |
| hartsocks | totally. | 21:14 |
| russellb | if for some reason it doesn't happen, apply for an exception | 21:15 |
| * mriedem thinks about looking for more vmware tests... | 21:15 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | not much from xenapi, doc work and bug work starting to pick up soon, few reviews pending, more work towards gating tests | 21:15 |
| russellb | things contained to the drivers should be easier to grant exceptions for as opposed to more core changes | 21:15 |
| hartsocks | BTW: you should start to see some vmware CI people posting on reviews. | 21:15 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: cool | 21:15 |
| russellb | hartsocks: nice | 21:15 |
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| hartsocks | Right now we're just using paste.openstack.org while we square away our infrastructure... | 21:15 |
| hartsocks | getting public IP's things like that. | 21:16 |
| russellb | sure, but a great step in the right direction | 21:16 |
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| russellb | hartsocks: anything else? | 21:16 |
| mriedem | i guess i'm a subteam of one, for powervm CI we're working on hw capital requests... | 21:16 |
| hartsocks | that's it. | 21:16 |
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| russellb | mriedem: cool, good to hear ... about 6 months to have that sorted ... | 21:17 |
| russellb | #topic open discussion | 21:17 |
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| russellb | alright folks, anything else you want to chat about? | 21:17 |
| mriedem | any news on mid cycle meetup? | 21:18 |
| russellb | nope, still collecting interest data | 21:18 |
| mikal | Hawaii! | 21:18 |
| russellb | but seems there's enough interest to have it | 21:18 |
| geekinutah | I'm curious about refactoring test code | 21:18 |
| russellb | i'm holding off on any further planning until after the next election | 21:18 |
| cyeoh_ | mikal: +1! | 21:18 |
| geekinutah | a few things, like instance_get_by_uuid | 21:18 |
| mikal | russellb: the location of the meetup should be part of your election platform | 21:18 |
| russellb | mikal: ha, if only money weren't an issue :-) | 21:19 |
| russellb | Hawaii +1 | 21:19 |
| geekinutah | so we have all sort of stubs defined for instance_get_by_uuid, same for get _by_host and a few others | 21:19 |
| russellb | geekinutah: wanting to centralize some of that? | 21:20 |
| geekinutah | I'm wondering if I should try and refactor into a common fake, or just fakes per test directory... | 21:20 |
| russellb | common fake if it makes sense | 21:20 |
| geekinutah | yeah, it's all over the place | 21:20 |
| mriedem | geekinutah: take a look at this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42283/ | 21:20 |
| russellb | i'm sure some cases make different assumptions about what the fake provides | 21:20 |
| mriedem | geekinutah: that's one that's doing instance dict to object conversion in fakes | 21:20 |
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| russellb | but as much as possible, i think a common one makes sense | 21:20 |
| mriedem | geekinutah: and i keep -1'ing it to make it more centralized | 21:21 |
| geekinutah | it's a big problem | 21:21 |
| geekinutah | I found 300 or so fakes scattered throughout everything | 21:21 |
| russellb | fun | 21:21 |
| yjiang5 | geekinutah: I think with object changes, we can simply provide fake for each object? | 21:21 |
| mriedem | yeah, everyone creates their own stubs or just does copy/paste from existing tests | 21:21 |
| geekinutah | yjiang5: objects do help alot | 21:22 |
| geekinutah | what I was thinking is that I would start tackling specific test directories, moving them to their own fakes | 21:22 |
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| russellb | baby steps +1 | 21:22 |
| geekinutah | then I will actually get code submitted instead of killing myself | 21:22 |
| russellb | especially when it would be moving under your feet like crazy otherwise | 21:22 |
| bnemec | ISTR the neutron api test have some fake factory methods that can return a default, but also allow you to override certain parts of the fake if necessary. | 21:22 |
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| geekinutah | k, sounds like that's a good way to go then | 21:23 |
| russellb | any other topics? | 21:25 |
| clarkb | eyes on https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1218133 would be awesome. That particular test file has potential for being very flaky | 21:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1218133 in nova "MultiprocessWSGITest.test_terminate_sigterm fails because the wait for workers to die is unreliable." [Undecided,New] | 21:25 |
| geekinutah | ummmm, so that being said about the fakes and all | 21:25 |
| russellb | clarkb: ACK, don't think that test is new, are failures just cropping up? | 21:26 |
| russellb | clarkb: or has it been a consistent nagging problem? | 21:26 |
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| russellb | i don't see it on http://status.openstack.org/rechecks/ ... | 21:26 |
| geekinutah | some kind of stub duplication detection stuff might be interesting to look into | 21:26 |
| clarkb | russellb: I don't think it is a consistent nagging problem yet, but there was one failure yesterday and as I started digging into it realized that it was just flaky | 21:26 |
| clarkb | russellb: so probably lower priority than the things causing most of the gate resets | 21:27 |
| russellb | gotcha | 21:27 |
| geekinutah | I did it with a bunch of grepping, but we could probably automate that and avoid some of this pain in the future | 21:27 |
| mriedem | clarkb: maybe showing up due to parallel runs now? | 21:27 |
| russellb | it's a unit test though | 21:27 |
| russellb | so, no different than it has been for a good while | 21:27 |
| mriedem | oh right, tempest is paralle, nova isn't | 21:28 |
| mriedem | right? | 21:28 |
| clarkb | both are parallel | 21:28 |
| hartsocks | hrm… this looks like a lot of IPC stuff I did a long time ago. | 21:28 |
| clarkb | I have a hunch that 99% of the time it works but when a slave has a bad neighbor scheduling happens such that 5 seconds isn't long enough for the workers to die | 21:28 |
| russellb | clarkb: appreciate the analysis in the bug | 21:28 |
| hartsocks | I used to use sig user1 and sig user2 to have processes check on each other's health… would that help here? | 21:29 |
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| russellb | hartsocks: if you fix this, you earn 3 code reviews from me on the reivews of your choice, haha | 21:30 |
| hartsocks | Okay. Now I'm motivated. | 21:30 |
| russellb | my offer is logged, i have to actually do it now | 21:31 |
| russellb | anyway, let's keep looking into this ... | 21:31 |
| russellb | any other topics before i shut down the meeting? | 21:31 |
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| russellb | thanks everyone! good luck in the final push for h3! | 21:32 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 21:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 29 21:32:07 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-08-29-21.00.html | 21:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-08-29-21.00.txt | 21:32 |
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