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NobodyCam#startmeeting Ironic19:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep  9 19:00:49 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic'19:00
NobodyCamagenda for the meeting is found @:19:00
* devananda waves19:01
NobodyCamLooks like we have a full agenda today, so lets jump on in19:01
NobodyCam#topic Greeting and roll-call and announcements.19:01
NobodyCamwho's here for the ironic meeting? And May I be the first to welcome Devananda back from the land of brunning things :)19:01
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NobodyCamdkehn: you are on our agenda :-p19:01
dkehndkehn, non-lurking19:01
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NobodyCamwelcome every  one19:01
NobodyCamfist up19:02
NobodyCamRummor mill: There may be Ironic hoodies for Hong Kong. (This is a unconfirmed rummor at this point)19:02
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NobodyCamwill need sized for every one19:02
dkehndkehn, large19:02
lucasagomessmall for me19:02
devanandamay i suggest an etherpad or gdoc spreadsheet to collect that info?19:02
lucasagomesdevananda, +119:03
NobodyCamnot here19:03
NobodyCamwill get that later19:03
NobodyCamjust fyi :)19:03
NobodyCamHong Kong design summit: call for Ironic papers!19:03
NobodyCamSubmit pepers here:19:03
NobodyCam#chair devananda19:03
openstackCurrent chairs: NobodyCam devananda19:03
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NobodyCamany one have any thinghts for design papers19:04
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dkehncue crickets19:04
devanandaon the summit design session proposals, please be sure to select either Ironic or TripleO, depending on which one you're going to talk about. poke me or lifeless if you're unsure which one your topic fits best in19:04
romchegFor Ironic we can think about RBAC19:05
lifelessor poke both :)19:05
romchegThat will make Ironic more standalone service19:05
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lifelessromcheg: is there a reason to have Ironic be standalone?19:05
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devanandalet's not talk about specific ideas in the meeting right now19:06
lifelessoops, didn't note the channel. Very sorry!19:06
devanandajust submit them and we'll discuss on the ML / on IRC if need be19:06
romchegWill do that19:06
devanandaromcheg: ty19:06
NobodyCamok moving on19:06
NobodyCam#topic Testing19:06
NobodyCamThe devStack patch has landed! Way to go Roman!19:06
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romchegI think I can start working on tempest now19:07
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NobodyCamany comments / questions?19:07
romchegCurrently devstack creates a single config for both api and conductor.19:08
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romchegShould we separate them?19:08
NobodyCamromcheg: I don;;t think there is big needfor that19:09
devanandafor single-node testing with devstack,, i think single config is probably ok19:09
devanandaunless there is a concrete reason to split them, i would avoid premature optimization19:09
NobodyCamin dib element I split logging conf19:09
NobodyCambut main config is singular19:09
lucasagomesyea it's easier to have one config for testing19:10
romchegok, no questions on that :)19:10
NobodyCamanother q? romcheg is this upto date?19:10
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romchegNobodyCam: yes, it is. I updated it imediately after the patch landed to devstack19:11
jdobyay for devstack support19:11
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NobodyCammoving on19:12
NobodyCamand of course the DIB element(oh thats /me):19:12
NobodyCam2 of 4 landed :) Remaining is:19:12
NobodyCam#link (element itself)19:12
NobodyCam#link (yaml heat template)19:12
NobodyCamI'll work the last ones through this week!19:12
NobodyCamany q/ c?19:12
NobodyCamok movnin along19:13
NobodyCam#topic in-progress tasks19:13
NobodyCamGongrats to Ghe PXE has LANDED!19:13
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lucasagomesoh yea!! a huge step forward on making ironic usable :)19:14
NobodyCamoh ya19:14
lucasagomesI think I asked in the review, but someone knows how he actually tested that?19:14
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NobodyCamI did speak with him about that ... but cannt recall just now what his answer was19:15
devanandaGheRivero: around?19:15
lucasagomesok, yea I looked in the review but I got no answer there19:15
lucasagomesit's cool I can talk to him when he's online19:16
romchegRegarding the the authentication: AFAIR I reported last time that the current implementation of Ironic authentication allows domain admins to use the API19:16
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NobodyCam any more q/c on PXE19:17
NobodyCammoving on19:17
NobodyCamAnd Now for something completely different:19:17
NobodyCamthe Ironic Client Libary19:18
NobodyCam#link (Repo)19:18
NobodyCamPatch to add the initial files:19:18
yuriyzgood start!19:18
NobodyCamwill need to do some design on how and what it needs to do19:19
NobodyCamexample how will me handle nova baremetel-node-list19:19
romchegI think we need an etherpad doc for that19:20
NobodyCamthe above revire is just the basic framwork19:20
lucasagomesmaybe we should open an etherpad for that and starting throwing the ideas there19:20
lucasagomesromcheg, +119:20
NobodyCamwe have19:20
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NobodyCam welcome back linggao19:21
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linggaoHey NobodyCam.19:21
NobodyCamcan we ajust use that one?19:21
lucasagomesI'm fine with that one19:21
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lucasagomesthere's a section for it there already19:21
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lucasagomes== Python client library ==19:21
romcheg+1 to the same document.19:22
NobodyCamwe'll start using it19:22
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devanandasounds good :)19:22
NobodyCamany other q/c ok to move on?19:22
NobodyCammoving on19:23
NobodyCam#topic API discussion19:23
NobodyCamOur Epic "Patch" has landed : congrats Lucas19:23
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lucasagomesas romcheg rightly pointed out... we might need to improve the validation method later19:23
NobodyCamromcheg: you want to file a bug to track that?19:24
romchegI think that looks more like a BP19:24
romchegSo if you don't mind I can file a BP :)19:25
lucasagomesromcheg, +1 :)19:25
NobodyCamas they say: Just Doit19:25
NobodyCamwith that our new big epic19:26
NobodyCamNext up is vendor_passthru19:26
NobodyCamMany comments can be found at:19:26
devanandaas an aside, I'd suggest small things -> bug. big work that we may want to discuss at the summit -> BP.19:26
NobodyCam:) kninda what DS's are for huh19:26
romchegdevananda: I'll do as you wish :-P19:27
devanandaright. what i mean, there's explicitly a way to link design sessions to BPs (but not to bugs)19:27
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devanandawe need some degree of vendor_passthru for the PXE driver19:28
NobodyCamyuriyz: did I see you?19:28
lucasagomesso, vendor_passthru... there's two patches in the review system right now, one for the API and one implementing the server side19:28
devanandabut to what degree we need to return a tracking token and allow users to poll status on that token is, at the moment, not clear to me19:28
lucasagomesbut there's one thing missing, we need to improve the client's feedback19:28
yuriyzAny idea about deploy monitoring?19:29
devanandaIMHO, adding tracking token right now is premature19:29
lucasagomesour currently implementation (in the review) doesn't allows clients to monitor their requests, not even knowing if the validation of the data passed or not19:29
devanandabecause we already have a unique ID (the node UUID) which can be polled for updates19:29
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devanandalucasagomes: changing pass_vendor_info self.cast to would allow such feedback19:30
lucasagomesdevananda, yes! but won't be async then19:30
devanandalucasagomes: at the cost of stalling hte API request if that call is going to take a while, which is bad19:30
yuriyzBut deploy is long process19:30
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devanandawe could make the async operation happen within the manager19:31
devanandapass info as a cast, then let periodic_task handle the work. not saying I like that solution ....19:31
lucasagomeswhat if the we make the validation sync, and then we call cast to the driver do the actual work?19:31
devananda**pass info as a call**, i mean19:31
lucasagomesso it would look like... validation passed, request was accepted19:32
NobodyCami feel we need at least that level19:32
lucasagomesreturn 202, with no body message19:32
devanandaso have the rpcapi.pass_vendor_info invoke two RPC operations -- first, call('send the info'), then second, cast('now do the work')19:32
lucasagomesdevananda, that's how I see it :/19:32
lucasagomes1 call and 1 cast19:32
yuriyzlucas, +119:32
devanandai think that would work19:33
yuriyztwo methods?19:33
devanandano, one method19:33
NobodyCamthe client could then wrap the two calls?19:33
devanandaironic/conductor/ would have two function calls inside it19:34, self.make_msg('validate_vendor_info', ...)19:34
lucasagomesNobodyCam, it's one call19:34
devanandaself.cast(context, selfmake_msg('do_vendor_work', ...)19:34
devanandaer... no. nvm, that doesn't work either19:34
lucasagomesvalidate -> get return, if positive cast, and then return the info about the validation19:34
lucasagomesif negative just return the info w/o calling cast19:35
NobodyCamgah puppy sorry19:36
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devanandaactually, ignore my "nvm" -- it does work. 1 call. if succeed, then cast & return.19:36
lucasagomesI say because, idk if it makes much sense about returning a request accepted return code, without validating the data before19:37
NobodyCamif fail return fail msg to user?19:37
devanandaif the call to validate the vendor info failed, an exception should have been raised on the remote end, which would bubble up here (and that's fine, i think)19:37
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NobodyCam:) any thing else on vp thru19:38
NobodyCamwe can chat more in channek19:39
devanandanothing else fro mme - I'll add comments to the review.19:39
lucasagomesI'm good also19:39
NobodyCam#topic Food For Thought / open discussion19:39
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romchegNo questions19:39
yuriyzdevananda: ok19:39
NobodyCamDon's ( dkehn ) Neutron patches have Landed! How will this impact Ironic?19:40
NobodyCamsee dkehn I said you on our agenda19:40
dkehnyeah, but nothing to say on that one19:40
NobodyCamcongrats man!!!19:40
dkehnthe patch provide s for setting up the PXE boot params19:41
NobodyCamthat was hard work19:41
lucasagomeswell it def helps us in our merge of the nova bm deploy helper in the ironic code database19:41
dkehnnot really , but did require and incredible amount of patences19:41
dkehnlifeless, also has changes for the patch once we move on
NobodyCamty lucasagomes19:42
devanandadkehn: have the changes for nova baremetal driver (so that it can use neutron's pxe ports) landed?19:43
dkehnthe initial yes19:43
devanandadkehn: if so,we could probably adapt that nova-baremetal patch to the ironic-pxe driver code19:43
lifelessdevananda: is a fixup needed.19:43
devanandarather than rewrite it19:43
devanandathanks. looking19:44
lifelessdevananda: I've asked for and gotten an FFE for it; it just needs two x +2.19:44
dkehnthere was a bug in the initial release19:44
dkehnNobodyCam, sorry19:44
NobodyCamnot at all19:44
NobodyCamjust makes them easier to find later19:45
NobodyCamopen floor19:45
NobodyCamany comments question at all19:46
NobodyCamlinggao: are you getting back in to the swing of things are you going to revive your power patch?19:46
linggaoNobodyCam, yes. I'd like to get in 3 pathces19:47
linggao1. renamting to ipmitool19:47
linggao2. native ipmi driver.19:47
linggao3. set_node_state_change (something like that)19:48
linggaohope they will go through this week.19:48
NobodyCam:) looking forward to seeing them :)19:49
linggaogreat! thanks19:49
NobodyCamanyone thing else? we going to get out of here earily today19:49
NobodyCamlast words: design summit papers!!! please submit any ideas19:50
lucasagomesmaybe use the last 10 minutes to talk about the interface with nova19:50
lucasagomesdevananda, you have any thoughts here? will ironic be a driver for nova?19:51
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NobodyCamlucasagomes: th client lib19:51
romchegShouldn't that be just another driver?19:51
NobodyCamimport python-ironicclient19:51
devanandawe'll need to create an ironic driver for nova, yes19:52
devanandait will implement nova's internal driver api, and it will wrap python-ironicclient19:52
devanandaso, eg, a call to "nova boot" will get routed roughly like this19:53
devanandanova-api -> nova-scheduler -> nova-conductor [ -> nova-compute ?? ] -> nova/virt/ironic/driver.py19:53
devanandaclass IronicDriver19:54
devanandathat will issue API calls to ironic-api19:54
devanandaand so on19:54
devanandalook at nova/virt/baremetal/ for an example of the minimal set of methods we'll need to implement19:54
devanandaas an interface between nova's Driver API and the Ironic service19:55
yuriyzI thhink19:55
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yuriyzthink we need a BP19:55
romchegI have the dumbest question here: why do we need nova if it works like a proxy for Ironic when booting a BM node?19:55
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devanandaeg, spawn(), reboot(), destroy(), get_info(), list_instances(), get_hypervisor_type(), ....19:56
lucasagomesright, and some future features that we are going to expose in the ironic api, will also be exposed in the driver? For e.g the hardware recovery, or even the vendor passrhru?19:56
devanandaromcheg: there are many, many things which nova interacts with during provisioning of a VM19:56
NobodyCamromcheg: we are building the replacment for nova baremetal wihich will get pulled out19:56
devanandaromcheg: ironic is a service which deploys an image on to a machine. it's acting rather like libvirt in that sense19:57
devanandaromcheg: ironic is not replacing nova :)19:57
romchegmakes sense :)19:57
NobodyCami should have made that more clear19:57
NobodyCam3 minute bell19:57
lucasagomes:) that's a straight forward answer19:58
devanandalucasagomes: yes, once we have feature parity with the current baremetal driver, we'll start looking at the new features19:58
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devanandalucasagomes: and performance optimizations, HA, etc19:58
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lucasagomesdevananda, oh yea... we have to improve the deploy process performance19:58
linggaoThere will be a new peoject called Tuskar, what is the relationship between it and ironic?19:59
lucasagomesbut we have no time to talk about it now cause there's only 1 minute left19:59
devanandalucasagomes: vendor_passthru may never be exposed via Nova's API. also things like firmware mgmt, probably not going to go through Nova (though there are disucssions about that...)19:59
devanandaright! time's up :)19:59
NobodyCamwe can move back to our channel19:59
lifelessT=-1 :)19:59
devanandaso, please submit design ideas! :)19:59
lifelesslinggao: tuskar layers on tripleo layers on ironic20:00
NobodyCamok good meeting everyone20:00
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lifeless#meeting tripleo20:00
lifelessWelcome everyone :)20:00
lifeless#topic agenda20:00
lifeless     bugs20:00
lifeless    Grizzly test rack status20:00
lifeless    CI virtualized testing progress20:00
* stevebaker lurks20:00
lifeless    open discussion20:00
lifeless#topic bugs20:01
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lifelessthere's a few untriaged bugs in dib20:01
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lifelessplease remember to triage new bugs :- either asking for more detail to assess whether a bug or not (and put to incomplete) or assessing overall importance and set the importance and status20:02
stevebakerlifeless: what would the proper fix be for
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1217185 in diskimage-builder "runs out of disk space installing grub when building fedora vm heat-cfntools" [Undecided,New]20:03
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SpamapSwe're on pypi with releases now.. we may get more random users and thus more new bug reports :)20:03
stevebaker(and other fedora runs out of space problems)20:03
SpamapSstevebaker: looks like our heuristic needs tweaking.20:04
lifelessstevebaker: don't install large amounts of data after we determine the filesystem size20:04
SpamapSoh is that what is happening?20:04
SpamapSgrub is pulling in "the world" ?20:04
SpamapS (4/4): fedora-logos-19.0.4-2.fc19.noarch.rpm | 8.7 MB 00:00:0920:04
SpamapSimportant stuf f :)20:04
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lifelessSpamapS: it's running in finalise.d20:04
SpamapSright now I get it20:05
lifelessdownloading 13M, installing as 28M == 41M of data.20:05
SpamapSDunno though, perhaps our heuristic just needs more fudge factor.20:05
lifelessstevebaker: the approach of remove+install for grub was a first approximation; possibly what fedora needs is20:05
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lifelessto download-but-not-configure-or-setup-bootblock earlier on.20:06
lifelessstevebaker: I don't know how to make fedora do that20:06
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stevebakerok, that helps20:06
lifelessalternatively, we can increase our fudge factor by a little20:07
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lifelesswhich is certainly easier20:07
lifelessbut perhaps not better20:07
stevebakerin the short term at least20:07
lifelessthe other thing to cross check is whether the yum cache is being unmounted before the grub install20:07
lifelessif it is, then you're paying the full 41M rather than just the installed size20:08
lifelessand the yum cached files will also still be in the image20:08
lifelesss/the other/another/20:08
SpamapSsounds like the bug is Triaged/High though?20:08
lifelessI've marked that critical20:08
lifelessfailing to build fedora images20:08
SpamapSah yeah Crit20:09
SpamapSwasn't sure if it was "always" or "sometimes"20:09
stevebakerpossibly not always, but frequently20:09
SpamapSRe other bugs, I've started poking at updates with a stick.. but nothing to show for it yet.20:09
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SpamapS(regarding POC bugs)20:10
SpamapSI've finally submitted all the changes to Heat so that it doesn't let users trash the engine.20:11
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SpamapSfollowing up here and there with tempest tests to verify that still works20:11
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SpamapSfitting that in while doing long image update test things20:11
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lifelessbug 1221620 is in-progress20:12
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1221620 in nova "KeyError: 'service' during schedule of baremetal instance" [Critical,In progress]
lifelessshould be hours away I hope20:12
lifelessbug 1213967 is fixed now20:12
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1213967 in tripleo "Seed VM filtering out compute resources" [Critical,Fix released]
lifelessbug 1189385 is on someone to climb through POC looking for logs20:12
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1189385 in tripleo "quantum-server hung up it's listening port" [Critical,Triaged]
lifelessI have been meaning to do that for a bit20:12
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lifeless#topic Grizzly test rack status20:14
lifelessend of september this becomes free20:14
lifelessI might ask our users if we can cannablise part of it earlier20:14
SpamapSYeah it would be nice to have some hardware for the sprint20:15
SpamapS(hardware whose network configuration we know actually works I should say ;)20:15
lifeless#topic test?20:15
lifelessopenstack: art though dead?20:15
lifelessoh nuts20:15
lifeless#startmeeting tripleo20:15
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lifeless#topic agenda20:16
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lifeless     bugs20:16
lifeless    Grizzly test rack status20:16
lifeless    CI virtualized testing progress20:16
lifeless    open discussion20:16
SpamapSis it enough to just do ^^ ? ;)20:16
lifeless#topic bugs20:16
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lifelessDiscussed earlier, see actual logs.20:16
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lifeless#topic Grizzly test rack status20:16
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lifelessend of september this becomes free20:16
lifelessI might ask our users if we can cannablise part of it earlier20:16
lifeless08:15 < SpamapS> Yeah it would be nice to have some hardware for the sprint20:16
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lifeless08:15 < SpamapS> (hardware whose network configuration we know actually works I should say ;)20:17
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lifelesssorry for mootbot protocol fail there20:17
lifelessSpamapS: yeah, thats a major aspect for me20:17
lifeless#topic CI virtualized testing progress20:17
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pleia2so, I have an lxc config file that seems to work and the seed node running in lxc20:17
pleia2process list shows I should have everything I need, but working to get over some hurdles actually accessing keystone (and so nova, glance, etc)20:18
lifelesswould you like some interactive debugging assistance?20:18
pleia2notes still being tracked in the etherpad20:18
pleia2I might need some, yeah20:18
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pleia2but once I get this done, I'll be patching boot-seed-vm and a few other scripts that need some tweaks to support lxc20:20
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pleia2that's pretty much it for now20:21
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lifeless#topic open discussion20:21
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SpamapSlifeless: you mentioned we're assured 5 slots for tripleo at the summit..20:22
SpamapSlifeless: what about Tuskar? Seems like we are all related20:22
lifelessgood question!20:22
SpamapSshadower: sessions20:23
lifelessshadower: there are a fixed number of rooms, with blocked out time periods for programs20:23
SpamapS~1hour discussions in rooms with projectors and smartish people :)20:23
lifelessso, Tuskar doesn't get any time window as it's neither an official program, nor an incubated one.20:24
lifelessI think it's entirely reasonable for us to share our 5 slots amongst all deployment discussions20:24
SpamapSI thought it had a perliminary go-ahead on incubation.20:25
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SpamapSprelim even20:25
lifelessso - Tuskar sessions proposals should be put in the tripleo stream20:25
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SpamapSOk agreed, particularly I think it is reasonable to devote a session to "what other programs need from tripleo"20:25
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lifelessSpamapS: no, Tuskar have self-organised to elect a PTL, but no request has been made of the TC to consider them.20:26
* shadower wondered if he missed something20:26
lifelessSpamapS: (and that would provoke substantial discussion given the current wording they put forward as a mission, since it's 99% overlap with the OpenStack Deployment program - tripleo - wording20:27
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lifelessSpamapS: which Monty alludes to in his email in the Savanna Incubation Request thread.20:28
lifelessshadower: Missed something ?20:28
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shadowerlifeless: re: premilinary incubation go-ahead20:29
SpamapSdo we have interest from any of the other programs in feeding requirements/features into tripleo?20:29
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SpamapSThats kind of what I'm getting at. I understand that tuskar is built on top.20:30
lifelessSpamapS: yeah, - propose a session :)20:30
SpamapSBut like, we had trove using our dib tools, and Heat could potentially start relying on o-c-c .. etc. etc.20:30
SpamapSlifeless: I will, wanted to hash it out here :)20:30
lifelessSpamapS: it seems like a reasonable thing, but perhaps having tuskar specific sessions would be more productive20:31
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lifelessSpamapS: I worry that a 'come tell us your needs' session will be 10m of discussion and 40m of crickets20:31
SpamapSme too, hence my thinking Tuskar lumped in there would provide a forum but not waste our time20:31
lifelessSpamapS: vs a 'lets work with Tuskar on the bootstrap / user admin / management stories'20:31
lifelessshadower: I haven't seen an incubation request for Tuskar20:32
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lifelessshadower: the summit time allocation process is based on the programs & [legacy model] projects approved by the tc20:32
shadowerlifeless: yeah, me neither and I'm not aware of any preliminary talks either20:32
lifelessshadower: so this came up here in context of 'what about time slots to discuss tuskar things'20:33
lifelessshadower: ack cool - same page.20:33
lifelessshadower: so I'm proposing that we advise folk interested in Tuskar sessions to submit them and put them in the TripleO stream.20:33
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lifelessI might see if ttx can rename that 'Deployment' as thats the actual program name.20:33
lifelessAnd would avoid confusion.20:33
SpamapSYeah, I'm not going to put one in myself.20:34
lifelessshadower: what do you think?20:34
shadowerlifeless: sounds great, thanks20:34
SpamapSThe ones already in there are all the stuff I think we need to discuss internally to our program anyway.20:34
SpamapS(there are plenty of other things outside us that need discussing)20:34
lifelessshadower: we only have 5 session slots, but we should be picking from the full set of sessions that would fit there.20:34
shadowerlifeless: is this related to the talks whose abstract deadline was several weeks ago or is this something else? (the sessions)20:34
lifelessshadower: something else20:34
lifelessshadower: the technical design portion of the summit20:35
shadowerlifeless: right. Sorry, I've never been on one and didn't read up on it yet20:35
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shadowerlifeless: I'll bring it up on Tuskar's meeting tomorrow (hopefully more informed by then)20:35
lifelessshadower: np; I've mailed thierry about changing the label for now20:37
lifelesstiming out the meeting in 1m20:38
* SpamapS would like to get going actually20:38
SpamapSas in 'motion to end meeting early seconded'20:38
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openstackMinutes (text):
lifelessthanks all20:39
pleia2thanks lifeless20:40
shadower40 minutes: nice one20:40
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markmcclainmestery, SumitNaiksatam, marun, amotoki, gongysh, emagana: around21:02
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markmcclain#startmeeting Networking21:03
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markmcclain#topic Announcements21:04
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markmcclainH3 was released last Friday21:04
emagana_hi all!21:04
emagana_sorry.. I'm late..21:04
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markmcclainEveryone put in a tremendous effort and this was our biggest milestone yet: 52 blueprints completed and 171 bugs fixes21:05
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markmcclainWe're now in the feature freeze which means our focus should be on fixing bugs and polishing up the release21:06
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markmcclainAny new features that have not been granted feature freeze exemptions will be given temporary −2s until Icehouse opens in a few weeks.21:07
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markmcclain#topic bugs21:08
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emagana_markmcclain: dummy question, how can we quickly check if a feature has been granted, in launchpad?21:08
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markmcclainemagana_: These the blueprints granted exemptions.21:09
mesterymarkmcclain: That is the list of implemented blueprints, right?21:10
amotoki is the correct one21:10
markmcclainmestery: you're right21:10
markmcclainI have a bad link in the agenda :)21:10
mesteryamotoki: Thanks, that one looks right. :)21:10
amotokiwiki page seems to have a wrong link. rc1 is linked to havana-3 :-(21:11
* markmcclain needs to learn to copy/paste better21:11
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markmcclainWe've got 8 still open and our goal is to get them to merge as sooner rather than later so that we can focus ensuring the release candidate is ready on time21:12
markmcclain#topic bugs21:12
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markmcclainWe've got a few critical bugs that we need to fix in order to keep the gate moving21:14
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1211915 in neutron "Connection to neutron failed: Maximum attempts reached" [Critical,Confirmed]21:15
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1223000 in neutron "ML2 port-binding fails if FQDN not used" [Critical,Confirmed]21:15
markmcclainAre there any other bugs the team needs to be aware of?21:15
wolfdreamerok, I have bug I would like reviewed -- How do I go about getting it looked at bug 121151321:15
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1211513 in neutron "neutron.api.extensions should resolve full module path when importing extensions so that proper base class comparison is done" [Undecided,In progress]
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wolfdreamerfrom a (extension) development standpoint, I think its important this get fixed21:16
marunwho's working on 1211915?21:17
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wolfdreamerI'll take a look at it, if nobody else is21:17
salv-orlandomarun: I was under the impression nati-ueno was on it; but he's not here today.21:17
markmcclainmarun: nachi was looking at it21:17
marunok.  i'll follow up with him when he returns21:17
salv-orlandowolfdreamer: I think there's already a patch under review for that.21:18
wolfdreamer1211513, yes I submitted several weeks ago. But I haven't had much luck in having anybody take a look21:19
markmcclainwolfdreamer: I'll remove the −2 on the proposal… I think most of the reviewers were focused on getting the proposals for H3 merged21:19
wolfdreamerok, sounds fine21:19
salv-orlandook, I will have a look at it later (which is tomorrow morning GMT)21:19
markmcclainthis change is also interesting because it changes the behavior of the import that we've been using Folsom.  So the review will have to consider the disruption risk of changing this comparison so late in the cycle21:20
wolfdreameryes, which is one reason I would like to get feedback21:20
markmcclainAny other bugs the team needs to discuss?21:21
wolfdreamerI do have this one as well, bug 121979521:21
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1219795 in neutron "Inconsistent DHCP port creation" [Undecided,In progress]
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wolfdreamernot sure about priority21:21
markmcclainIt's currently medium21:22
wolfdreamerok, thanks21:22
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markmcclainAny other bugs?21:23
markmcclain#topic Docs21:24
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emagana_VPN aPI still in review21:24
annegentle_bug list at
pcm_just did update based on Nachi's feedback.21:24
salv-orlandoI am going to monitor progress on API docs for havana as I did for grizzly. Hopefully I'll do a better job this time.21:24
markmcclainannegentle_: thanks for the link21:25
emagana_pcm_: I also review it, it looks good21:25
salv-orlandoAt this stage, I think, we are still lacking a patch for FWaaS API.21:25
pcm_emagana_: yes. thanks!21:25
SumitNaiksatamsalv-orlando:  posted a patch today, but need to add a lot more to that21:25
emagana_salv-orlando: Nachi told me that he will work on that21:25
salv-orlandoI guess SumitNaiksatam can coordinate with him21:25
emagana_salv-orlando: sorry, mixing FW with VPN21:26
markmcclainmestery or rkukura: do we have a contact for ml2 docs?21:26
salv-orlandoenikanorov: do you think we should extend/update docs for service providers?21:26
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enikanorovsalv-orlando: yes21:26
markmcclainarosen: will you be able contribute docs for:
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1215166 in openstack-manuals "Implement Allowed Address Pairs" [Medium,Confirmed]21:26
rkukuramarkmcclain: I think I'm assigned, and plan to work with mestery this week21:26
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markmcclainarosen: thanks!21:26
salv-orlandoenikanorov: do you or somebody from your team have cycles for that? We'll need assistance for API and admin docs21:26
mesterymarkmcclain rkukura: I'm ready to work together with rkukura on this, we've been in contact.21:27
enikanorovsalv-orlando: yeah. I'll take care of that21:27
SumitNaiksatamon fwaas, both admin and API patches are posted, but are WIP, and I am working towards completing them21:27
salv-orlandoarosen: you might want to file openstack-api-site bugs for multi-provider and allowed-adress-pairs21:27
arosensalv-orlando: k, i'll do that.21:27
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markmcclainrkukura, mestery: great!21:28
markmcclainMetering is another feature that needs docs.  I'll reach out to code proposer and see if he can help with docs21:29
markmcclainI'll add a entry for API docs next week since I forgot to add it this week.21:30
markmcclainAny other doc items?21:30
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annegentle_markmcclain: there is a new docs patch for metering at
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annegentle_markmcclain: but I don't know if that's what you're needing exactly21:31
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markmcclainannegentle_: I was thinking about this one:
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1202967 in openstack-manuals "Add Neutron l3 metering agent" [Medium,Confirmed]21:31
markmcclain#topic Client21:33
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markmcclain#info python-neutronclient 2.3.0 was released last week21:33
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markmcclainThere will most likely be a 2.3.1 release before Havana is officially released21:34
markmcclainwe have a few reviews to merge to support the new features that landed late in H321:34
markmcclain#topic Horizon21:35
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markmcclainTwo features in Horizon we're granted FFEs.21:35
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amotokivpnaas support has been merged :-)21:35
markmcclainThat's great!21:35
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amotokinow small improvements fo vpnaas from my are under reivew21:36
nati_uen_Hi sorry late21:36
amotokifwaas support is close to merge. it is a good news too.21:36
SumitNaiksatamthanks amotoki21:36
SumitNaiksatamwe had several iterations over the weekend21:36
markmcclainI want to thank the Horizon team for agreeing to the FFEs and for our teams working hard to make sure features work well in horizon.21:37
SumitNaiksatam(KC's just had a baby girl and he was still working on this in the hospital!)21:38
markmcclainwow.. that's dedication21:38
amotokiwow! congrats!21:38
amotokiI will continue to work on them for better shape.21:38
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markmcclainamotoki: we just need to make sure we keep testing it right?21:39
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nati_uen_congrats! KC21:39
SumitNaiksatamthanks, i will convey it him21:39
amotokii hope every one use horizon for testing -:)21:39
SumitNaiksatamhe will be very happy if this merges :-) can get some sleep21:39
mesteryYes, congrats and thanks to KC here!21:39
amotokii posted vpnaas horizon support for devstack
markmcclaingaryk: will you have to time to look at it?21:40
mesterymarkmcclain amotoki: I will review that patch.21:41
markmcclainAny other Horizon items to discuss?21:41
SumitNaiksatamthe merged fwaas devstack patch already had horizon support, so unless we change something in the current horizon patch, we should be good on devstack for fwaas21:41
amotokii already uses both fwaas and vpnaas at the same time.21:41
markmcclainSumitNaiksatam: awesome21:42
markmcclainamotoki: cool21:42
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mesteryHorizon is very cool in Havana! I think people will be very excited to see the changes there.21:42
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amotokii believe.21:42
markmcclainyeah it does have lots of cool changes from Grizzly21:43
markmcclain#topic Open Discussion21:43
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mesterymarkmcclain: When is the deadline to submit design summit proposals?21:43
marunReviews welcome for my effort to minimize ovs l2 agent polling:,n,z21:44
markmcclainmestery: that's a good question.. I haven't seen a hard deadline, but it is usually 1-2 weeks prior to summit21:45
rkukuramarun: Curious why we need an option for this, disabled by default?21:45
mesterymarkmcclain: thanks!21:45
mesterymarun: Agree with rkukura, why not make this the default?21:45
marunrkukura: I talked with Mark about this and his suggestion was to make it optional to make it more palatable for reviewers.21:45
markmcclainYeah.. if this is earlier in the cycle default on makes sense21:46
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marunThere's nothing stopping the default from becoming true either as part of the review or subsequently.21:46
marun(or via devstack, since it should speed up gate runs)21:46
mesteryOK, that makes sense marun and markmcclain.21:46
rkukuramarun: It didn't look very risky, and I'm concerned that we don't have gating on both code paths21:46
markmcclainbut since this is later we've got two choices to either defer until Icehouse or consider shipping a preview or experimental support in Havana21:46
markmcclainrkukura: that is a good point21:47
rkukuramarun, markmcclain: optional is OK if that's what's needed21:47
emagana_I need to leave early today! Thank you all21:47
markmcclainemagana_: see ya21:47
amotokiquestion on client.21:48
amotokido we create a new milestone for 2.3.x version of client?  Several number of bugs have the status "Fix Commited". We need to clean up the bugs.21:48
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mesteryamotoki: Good point, I have one bug I wanted to target to that version but didn't see it in Launchpad.21:48
markmcclainamotoki: spent way too much time getting items through the gate last's on my list to clean-up21:48
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amotokiyeah, i appreciate your effort on gating conflict very much.21:49
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markmcclainyeah.. I'm hoping we can come up with a solution before Icehouse development heats up to handle migration merge conflicts21:50
mesterymarkmcclain: +100021:50
markmcclainAny other Open items?21:51
garykthere is a review in nova for service vms21:52
mesterygaryk: Link?21:52
garyk (sorry it is late and I am dreaming)21:52
mesterygaryk: I hope the dreams are all of unicorns and rainbows. :)21:53
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markmcclaingaryk: thanks sharing21:55
markmcclainthis definitely a fix needs for folks to run service vms21:55
markmcclainseems like an additional change would be needed too.. I'll have compare with some internal stuff in our labs21:57
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garykmarkmcclain: ok, on nova or neutron?21:59
markmcclainEveryone thanks for stopping in this week.  Let's focus on testing and docs so that we'll be release ready when the release candidate is cutSeptember 26th21:59
markmcclaingaryk: I believe Nova21:59
garykmarkmcclain: ok, thanks21:59
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mesterybye folks!21:59
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