| Daisy | no sorry, ujuc_phone . | 00:00 |
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| Daisy | You must work hard recently. | 00:00 |
| Daisy | Time to start the meeting now. | 00:00 |
| ujuc_phone | Yeeb | 00:00 |
| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 00:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 19 00:00:32 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 00:00 |
| Daisy | Good morning, ujuc_phone and fifieldt . | 00:00 |
| gabrielcw | Hi! | 00:00 |
| Daisy | Good evening, gabrielcw ! | 00:01 |
| gabrielcw | good evening! | 00:01 |
| Daisy | anybody else? Akihiro will be several minutes late. | 00:01 |
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| Daisy | ok. we will start. | 00:01 |
| Daisy | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 00:02 |
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| Daisy | Daisy to add diango_openstack_auth to Transifex. | 00:02 |
| Daisy | done | 00:02 |
| Daisy | Daisy to get another tester for Horizon I18n. | 00:02 |
| Daisy | Akihiro and I wrote the wiki page "How to test Horizon with DevStack", and broadcasted to the mailing list. There were some people who responsed and would like to test. | 00:02 |
| Daisy | I see somebody else is reporting I18n bugs to Horizon yesterday. So I will mark this one as done. | 00:03 |
| Daisy | Fdot is going to see with the Cloudwatt horizon team if they can help on testing the french translation with Daisy | 00:03 |
| Daisy | Fdot is not here. I don't see his response. I can check with him next meeting. | 00:03 |
| gabrielcw | nice, I will test this weekend I hope | 00:04 |
| gabrielcw | in Portuguese | 00:04 |
| Daisy | Great, gabrielcw ! | 00:04 |
| Daisy | I find it's very easy to verify the translation when I run Horizon. :) | 00:04 |
| gabrielcw | I agree, I used to do some small changes in the django code | 00:04 |
| gabrielcw | in an HP project | 00:05 |
| Daisy | BTW, I like DevStack very much, when I set up OpenStack in a half day in my locale machine. | 00:05 |
| gabrielcw | devstack is very handy | 00:05 |
| gabrielcw | yeah :) | 00:05 |
| Daisy | next one: Daisy to track the progress of ja document website. | 00:05 |
| Daisy | Sorry I'm a little lost with this work. I see the job is ready in Jenkins. I don't know the website progress. | 00:05 |
| Daisy | I will leave this work item to next meeting. | 00:06 |
| Daisy | #action: Daisy to track the progress of ja document website. | 00:06 |
| Daisy | Daisy to send the glossary cvs file to Fdot | 00:06 |
| Daisy | It's done. The glossary can be downloaded and uploaded as a CVS file. If there are other teams who would like to translate the glossary in CVS format, feel free to contact with me. | 00:07 |
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| gabrielcw | What`s the size of the glossary? | 00:07 |
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| Daisy | Let me check. | 00:08 |
| gabrielcw | oh, I check it later, just tell me where it is | 00:08 |
| gabrielcw | I ask because now I have more people helping, and I can ask them. I cannot do it right now | 00:08 |
| Daisy | ok. I guess it's around 200-300. | 00:09 |
| fifieldt | I find it useful to update the glossary as I find a word that gets used frequently | 00:09 |
| Daisy | I don't know the exact number. | 00:09 |
| fifieldt | it's quite simple through the interface to do this | 00:09 |
| Daisy | Agree, fifieldt . | 00:09 |
| gabrielcw | ok, thanks and where can I download it? | 00:09 |
| Daisy | When I do the translation, I feel there may be two kinds of glossarys. One are those doc team summarized. The others are those translators summarized. | 00:10 |
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| Daisy | https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/horizon/glossary/l/en/ | 00:11 |
| Daisy | All openstack projects are sharing a same glossary. | 00:11 |
| gabrielcw | very nice | 00:11 |
| Daisy | can we move to next topic ? | 00:12 |
| Daisy | #Horizon translation progress report | 00:12 |
| gabrielcw | yes | 00:12 |
| Daisy | https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/horizon/ | 00:12 |
| yoshiyama | ok. | 00:12 |
| Daisy | From the dashboard, we can see: | 00:12 |
| Daisy | 5 languages completed: Japanese, Portuguese (Brazil), Chinese (China), English (Australia), Korean (Korea). | 00:12 |
| Daisy | yoshiyama:you are just in time. :) | 00:13 |
| yoshiyama | Hi all. | 00:13 |
| gabrielcw | Hi! | 00:13 |
| ujuc_phone | Hi~ | 00:13 |
| Daisy | Thanks very much to the these langauge teams. | 00:13 |
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| Daisy | 6 languages have completed more than a half: French 70%, Polish (Poland) 64%, Spanish 64%, Chinese (Taiwan) 61%, Czech 61%, Finnish (Finland) 49% | 00:13 |
| Daisy | Yet not all of these 6 languages are active, because the completion rate 60% may be caused by the old version (Grizzly) of Horizon translation importing to the new version (Havanna). | 00:13 |
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| Daisy | I looked into the translation log each team by each team. I see the active languages are: French, Polish (Poland), Spanish, Russian, German, Portuguese. | 00:14 |
| Daisy | No team have completed the review. Portuguese (Brazil), French, and Russian team make good progress in the review. | 00:15 |
| Daisy | any comments? | 00:15 |
| yoshiyama | Motoki-san built a test site to check messages of Horizon. It's very helpful. | 00:15 |
| Daisy | Can people access this website? | 00:16 |
| gabrielcw | great idea | 00:16 |
| yoshiyama | Perhaps yes. | 00:16 |
| ujuc_phone | Yes | 00:17 |
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| Daisy | Hi guys. Do you have any thoughts to push the translation ? | 00:17 |
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| gabrielcw | I believe the stuck languages don`t have active coordinators, right? | 00:18 |
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| Daisy | right, gabrielcw | 00:18 |
| fifieldt | I was thinking maybe we could contact the existing translators for these languages and ask if anyone wants to be a coordinator? | 00:19 |
| gabrielcw | we could maybe ask if the still want the role, and then announce we are looking for people. | 00:19 |
| Daisy | and in some language team, maybe only the coordinator is working. | 00:19 |
| gabrielcw | this won't solve this release but at least for the next one we can have progress... | 00:19 |
| gabrielcw | Well I was in this case | 00:19 |
| Daisy | ujuc_phone: are there any people helping you to do the translation? | 00:20 |
| gabrielcw | but then I got to go after people to help out after all | 00:20 |
| ujuc_phone | Yes, | 00:20 |
| yoshiyama | I found the topic: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/openstack-ja/B30jewdeVEk | 00:20 |
| Daisy | great ! | 00:20 |
| ujuc_phone | ;) | 00:20 |
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| gabrielcw | in fact only in review time I got help, it was when the translation got visible with some Tom emails on the lists... | 00:20 |
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| Daisy | so after Horizon release, we should ask for more cooridnators. | 00:21 |
| yoshiyama | It contains the url and accounts. | 00:21 |
| gabrielcw | IIMHO | 00:21 |
| Daisy | yoshiyama: I feel if there is a live Horizon for people to see their translation, it will defintely promote the quality. :) | 00:22 |
| Daisy | I have this idea too, but I'm not able to find a host. | 00:22 |
| Daisy | find a machine to host Horizon. | 00:22 |
| fifieldt | how much resource do you need? | 00:22 |
| Daisy | fifieldt: ? | 00:23 |
| fifieldt | eg is 1 cpu enough | 00:23 |
| Daisy | I think all in one is enough. | 00:23 |
| Daisy | 1 cpu | 00:23 |
| fifieldt | so, we might be able to create a new machine in the #openstack-infra system | 00:23 |
| Daisy | I remember there is a trystack? | 00:23 |
| fifieldt | which uses their existing devstack scripts | 00:23 |
| fifieldt | and updates it every day or so | 00:24 |
| fifieldt | with translations | 00:24 |
| Daisy | great idea, fifieldt ! | 00:24 |
| fifieldt | it would be tricky to set up initially | 00:24 |
| fifieldt | but once it was running it should be good | 00:24 |
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| gabrielcw | devstack requirements are very low | 00:24 |
| fifieldt | the alternate, if you wanted something more quickly, is to use the rackspace free offer for openstack developers | 00:24 |
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| Daisy | I think I want it to set up, but not in a hurry, because we are very reach the end of Havanna release now. | 00:25 |
| yoshiyama | Motoki-san's devstack environment to review messages of Horizon: http://v157-7-133-23.myvps.jp:13580/ | 00:25 |
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| Daisy | we may not be able to use it in this release. | 00:25 |
| Daisy | fifieldt: who is operating the trystack? | 00:26 |
| fifieldt | trystack.org is operated by Dan Radez at RedHat | 00:26 |
| Daisy | ok. | 00:26 |
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| fifieldt | trystack.cn is operated by Du YuJie at 99 cloud | 00:27 |
| Daisy | How can I start the converstaion with rackspace free offer? | 00:27 |
| Daisy | I may need to check with them one by one to see who would like to help. | 00:27 |
| oubiwann | Daisy: ping jesse.noller@rackspace.com | 00:27 |
| fifieldt | I think it is http://iopenedthecloud.com/ | 00:27 |
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| oubiwann | and, yes -- what fifieldt said | 00:28 |
| oubiwann | but if you need any help, jesse's you guy | 00:28 |
| oubiwann | *your | 00:28 |
| Daisy | thank you, oubiwann . | 00:28 |
| oubiwann | you bet! | 00:28 |
| Daisy | Let me try if I can find the good guy. | 00:28 |
| Daisy | find a good people. :) | 00:28 |
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| gabrielcw | yoshiyama: can we use this Horizon to check other languages? | 00:29 |
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| Daisy | ok. so in a summary, there are two things we need to do after these busy days: check the unactive teams to see if someone else would like to be the coordinators; look for a place to run a live Horizon to verify the translation. | 00:30 |
| yoshiyama | I think yes, but I have to confirm it to Motoki-san. | 00:30 |
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| Daisy | may we move to next topic ? | 00:31 |
| yoshiyama | ok. | 00:31 |
| Daisy | #The merging time and criteria of Horizon translations | 00:31 |
| Daisy | From the wiki page, I see the first RC date is Sep 26, and the final release date is Oct 17. | 00:31 |
| Daisy | First, the merging time. | 00:31 |
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| Daisy | yoshiyama: your thoughts? | 00:31 |
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| Daisy | actually, I don't know if there are RC2, or RC3. | 00:32 |
| yoshiyama | Motoki-san said that Sep. 24th looked the limit to translate. | 00:33 |
| Daisy | maybe nobody can tell that before RC1. Julie Pichon told me whether there are RC2 and RC3 depends. | 00:33 |
| gabrielcw | yeah, generally depends on the quality and issues of RC1 | 00:34 |
| Daisy | right, gabrielcw | 00:34 |
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| Daisy | I suggest we do a merge before each release? | 00:34 |
| fifieldt | and we should make sure to have the attention of reviewers | 00:35 |
| fifieldt | so they can easily approve | 00:35 |
| fifieldt | we don't want to miss out :D | 00:35 |
| Daisy | We need help from Horizon team. Horizon team will know exactly the release date, and they will do a merge maybe 2 days before each release. | 00:35 |
| Daisy | good idea, fifieldt . | 00:35 |
| gabrielcw | iDo we have something to translate on the openstack_auth? | 00:35 |
| Daisy | We have two developers from Horizon development team to support us. I think we won't miss out. | 00:36 |
| Daisy | openstack_auth is used by the log in page. | 00:36 |
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| Daisy | we need to translate it, but the openstack_auth owner needs to merge our translation and deliver a binary release. | 00:37 |
| gabrielcw | sure! I wasn't linking the name Daisy | 00:37 |
| Daisy | openstack_auth is a binary dependent library to OpenStach Dashboard. | 00:37 |
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| Daisy | so next one: the criteria | 00:38 |
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| Daisy | Since the review progress is slow, I think, maybe we should use 100% translation as the criteria. | 00:39 |
| gabrielcw | I think it's great to have as many languages as possible available, but on the other hand I wonder if som low quality translation with typos, won't generate a bad image and critics | 00:40 |
| gabrielcw | I think that typos are worse than incomplete. | 00:40 |
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| fifieldt | maybe a test on the dashboard for each language can more easily review the most common strings | 00:40 |
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| Daisy | right, fifieldt . | 00:40 |
| fifieldt | there are many strings which people might not see | 00:41 |
| fifieldt | so they are slightly less critical than the ones eg on the login page | 00:41 |
| fifieldt | and I guess if the "always visible" strings are correct | 00:41 |
| Daisy | I don't review those translation one by one, but I run it and see the strings from the UI. I correct the strings I feel not correct. | 00:41 |
| fifieldt | then criticism is unlikely | 00:41 |
| gabrielcw | I found during review that some old strings even had the inverse meaning! like can instead of can't | 00:41 |
| fifieldt | ouch :D | 00:41 |
| Daisy | we need a responsible coordinator. :)) | 00:42 |
| Daisy | we need responsible coordinators. | 00:42 |
| yoshiyama | sure. | 00:42 |
| gabrielcw | Maybe we could ask the team coordinators of those not complete | 00:42 |
| gabrielcw | if he/she thinks it`s already ready to ship | 00:43 |
| Daisy | Let's say, we merge 100% translation before RC1, and then we ask the coordinators of these language team to verify the strings from the web page. | 00:43 |
| Daisy | We still have time to correct those wrong strings before the final release. | 00:44 |
| gabrielcw | yes | 00:44 |
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| Daisy | So we need a live Horizon urgently now. Thus the coordinators can find a place to check the translations. | 00:44 |
| fifieldt | sounds good | 00:44 |
| yoshiyama | Good morning, Motoki-san. | 00:44 |
| Daisy | how can I quickly get a live Horizon running? | 00:45 |
| gabrielcw | at least we would have a go from someone who knows better the languages | 00:45 |
| amotoki | sorry. deleayed... | 00:45 |
| Daisy | amotoki: good morning. | 00:45 |
| gabrielcw | Hi amotoki | 00:45 |
| Daisy | we are discussing about the merging time and criteria of Horizon translations now. | 00:45 |
| ujuc_phone | Hi amotoki | 00:45 |
| amotoki | hi all | 00:45 |
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| Daisy | about the merging time, our agreement is: Horizon team will know exactly the release date, and they will do a merge maybe 2 days before each release. | 00:46 |
| yoshiyama | We discussed that we need help from horizon delelopers. | 00:46 |
| Daisy | do you have comments to this one? | 00:47 |
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| amotoki | i am not sure the exact date | 00:47 |
| amotoki | but rc1 release date can be determined by each project. | 00:48 |
| Daisy | about the criteria, we merge 100% translation before RC1, and then we ask the coordinators of these language team to verify the strings from the web page. It will be better if we can set up a live Horizon website. | 00:48 |
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| Daisy | Is RC1 determined? | 00:49 |
| amotoki | japanese team has horizon check site. i can pull all languages from transifex. | 00:49 |
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| Daisy | Is the date of RC1 decided? | 00:49 |
| amotoki | perhaps we will discuss it in the next horizon meeting. | 00:49 |
| amotoki | not yet on the date. | 00:49 |
| Daisy | ok. Can you help to pull the 100% translation and merge them before each release? | 00:50 |
| amotoki | sure | 00:50 |
| Daisy | nice. | 00:50 |
| gabrielcw | great | 00:50 |
| Daisy | amotoki: can I assign an action item to you: pull all languages from transifex in the Japanese horizon check site? | 00:51 |
| amotoki | Daisy: okay | 00:51 |
| Daisy | thanks. | 00:51 |
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| Daisy | #action amotoki pull all languages from transifex in the Japanese horizon check site | 00:51 |
| Daisy | ok. we can move to next topic now. | 00:52 |
| Daisy | #Icehouse design summit session proposals in I18n areas | 00:52 |
| Daisy | There is no specific track about I18n in the design summit till now. So we may need to raise those topics in other tracks. | 00:52 |
| Daisy | Here is the design summit link: http://summit.openstack.org/ | 00:52 |
| Daisy | Who will go to the summit? | 00:52 |
| * fifieldt waves | 00:52 | |
| Daisy | Anne Gentle has submitted a proposal "Publishing translated documentation". | 00:53 |
| Daisy | Do you have any ideas in your mind? | 00:53 |
| Daisy | I have two: Separate the log message domain and the user facing message domain (Oslo); Consider translation and I18n test in the release lifecycle (Release management) | 00:54 |
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| Daisy | If you have, please submit. | 00:54 |
| Daisy | we have 5 minutes left. | 00:55 |
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| Daisy | let's go to next topic? | 00:55 |
| Daisy | #Open discussion | 00:55 |
| gabrielcw | yes | 00:55 |
| yoshiyama | ok. | 00:56 |
| Daisy | #topic Open discussion | 00:56 |
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| ujuc_phone | Ok... | 00:56 |
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| Daisy | we have 5 minutes left. | 00:56 |
| Daisy | if no addtional discuss, we can close the meeting. | 00:57 |
| * fifieldt has nothing | 00:57 | |
| gabrielcw | I don't have nothing today | 00:57 |
| amotoki | nothing from me. i will catch up the discussion later from the log. | 00:57 |
| gabrielcw | What about the next meeting hours? | 00:57 |
| Daisy | good, gabrielcw | 00:57 |
| Daisy | Thank you, amotoki ! | 00:57 |
| gabrielcw | I meant, on this time slot | 00:58 |
| Daisy | Which one do you prefer, gabrielcw ? | 00:58 |
| gabrielcw | this one :) | 00:58 |
| Daisy | I'm good to both. | 00:58 |
| Daisy | how about others? | 00:58 |
| gabrielcw | 9PM for me | 00:58 |
| gabrielcw | better than 10PM | 00:58 |
| Daisy | agree, gabrielcw | 00:58 |
| Daisy | if there is no opposition, we will use the new time? | 00:58 |
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| Daisy | ok. we use the new time. | 00:59 |
| gabrielcw | :) | 00:59 |
| Daisy | great ! | 00:59 |
| ujuc_phone | :) | 00:59 |
| gabrielcw | thanks! | 00:59 |
| Daisy | I will start my holidays from today: the Mid-Autumn Festivals in China. | 00:59 |
| Daisy | I will be back to office next Monday. | 01:00 |
| gabrielcw | have a nice holiday! | 01:00 |
| fifieldt | 中秋节快乐 | 01:00 |
| Daisy | Thanks. | 01:00 |
| amotoki | :) thanks | 01:00 |
| yoshiyama | Have a good horiday! | 01:00 |
| Daisy | Yes, fifieldt ! I believe you will feel the happiness in China these days. | 01:00 |
| fifieldt | indeed :) | 01:00 |
| Daisy | so I close the meeting. | 01:01 |
| fifieldt | time to eat mooncake | 01:01 |
| yoshiyama | FYI: I and Hasegawa-san were selected to push for OpenStack Ambassador in JOSUG board members. | 01:01 |
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| Daisy | #endmeeting | 01:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 19 01:01:49 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2013/openstack_i18n_meeting.2013-09-19-00.00.html | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2013/openstack_i18n_meeting.2013-09-19-00.00.txt | 01:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2013/openstack_i18n_meeting.2013-09-19-00.00.log.html | 01:01 |
| ujuc_phone | :) | 01:02 |
| Daisy | Thank you all ! | 01:02 |
| gabrielcw | thanks, goodbye everyone! | 01:03 |
| yoshiyama | bye! | 01:03 |
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| ujuc_phone | Have a niceday~~~ me... Horiday start~~ | 01:03 |
| amotoki | bye | 01:03 |
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| gvdm_ | hi | 07:35 |
| gvdm_ | Today at 02.00 pm there will be the LBaaS meeting (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#LBaaS_meeting) | 07:35 |
| gvdm_ | what are the topics? | 07:36 |
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| gvdm_ | hi [09:35] <gvdm_> Today at 02.00 pm there will be the LBaaS meeting (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#LBaaS_meeting) [09:36] <gvdm_> what are the topics? | 07:53 |
| gvdm_ | hi. Today at 02.00 pm there will be the LBaaS meeting (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#LBaaS_meeting) What are the topics? | 07:54 |
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| gvdm_ | hi. Today there will be the LBaaS meeting. What are the topics? | 11:04 |
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| gvdm_ | so? | 12:56 |
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| jd__ | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 19 15:00:19 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| gordc1 | o/ | 15:00 |
| jd__ | hello everybody | 15:00 |
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| lexx | o/ | 15:00 |
| eglynn | o/ | 15:00 |
| thomasm | o/ | 15:01 |
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| lsmola | hello | 15:01 |
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| sandywalsh | o/ | 15:02 |
| jd__ | #topic Review Havana RC1 milestone | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Havana RC1 milestone (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:02 | |
| jd__ | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/havana-rc1 | 15:02 |
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| jd__ | so we still got our blueprints unmerged, that's bad | 15:02 |
| dragondm | o/ | 15:03 |
| jd__ | though I think we're coming to an end fortuantely | 15:03 |
| * eglynn busily working thru' review comments on https://review.openstack.org/44751 | 15:03 | |
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| eglynn | ... will have another iteration up shortly | 15:03 |
| jd__ | the release manager virtual deadline is tomorrow | 15:03 |
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| jd__ | so nose on the grindstone like eglynn would say | 15:03 |
| eglynn | ... grinding like crazy :) | 15:04 |
| sileht | same for me :) | 15:04 |
| jd__ | I also went through our bug list to mark the ones important for RC1 | 15:04 |
| jd__ | so the list on the page should be up to date | 15:05 |
| jd__ | don't forget to add this as a milestone if you want this to be fixed for rc1 when reporting new bugs | 15:05 |
| jd__ | and also feel free to review the list yourself if you think I missed something important :) | 15:05 |
| jd__ | there's also a couple of bugs that you can see at https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/havana-rc1 that don't have assignees | 15:05 |
| eglynn | I need to chase dprince on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1224666 | 15:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1224666 in ceilometer "alarm_history_project_fkey Constraint fails on el6 MySQL" [High,Triaged] | 15:05 |
| jd__ | so volunteers welcome | 15:06 |
| eglynn | (seems to me that issue should have gone away since https://review.openstack.org/45306 landed) | 15:06 |
| jd__ | eglynn: ack, I guess you can test it? | 15:06 |
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| eglynn | jd__: yep, I've done so | 15:06 |
| jd__ | end of my speech for RC1, questions? | 15:06 |
| eglynn | (will confirm with dprince in any case ...) | 15:06 |
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| jd__ | #topic Release python-ceilometerclient? | 15:08 |
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| jd__ | I don't think we need that yet | 15:08 |
| jd__ | we may want to release once sileht changes on alarming got merged | 15:08 |
| jd__ | s/got/get/ | 15:08 |
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| eglynn | yep wait on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46707/ | 15:09 |
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| jd__ | exactly | 15:09 |
| sileht | ya | 15:09 |
| jd__ | #topic Open discussion | 15:10 |
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| jd__ | I'm out of topic :) | 15:10 |
| sileht | wsme support return code \o/ | 15:10 |
| thomasm | lol | 15:10 |
| dragondm | heh | 15:10 |
| eglynn | 204s, 201s, the joy of it! :) | 15:10 |
| thomasm | Looks like the tests got resolved. Thanks for that. =] | 15:11 |
| nadya | guys, do you have any docs related to Autoscaling integration with heat? | 15:11 |
| lsmola | nadya, would like to read that also | 15:11 |
| eglynn | not that I'm aware of, asalkeld may have something on the wiki | 15:12 |
| jd__ | I would hope it doesn't need any documentation ;) | 15:12 |
| eglynn | (IIRc he's back from vacation on Monday) | 15:12 |
| nadya | all the changes will be in their part? | 15:12 |
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| sileht | nadya, a example for heat template: https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/blob/master/cfn/F17/AutoScalingCeilometer.yaml | 15:13 |
| nadya | sileht, thanks! | 15:13 |
| sileht | nadya, all you needs have been merged | 15:13 |
| sandywalsh | just in case you missed the email, we're pushing hard for more notification support in openstack projects. | 15:13 |
| sandywalsh | #link http://www.sandywalsh.com/2013/09/notification-usage-in-openstack-report.html | 15:13 |
| sandywalsh | beat the drum "more events!" :) | 15:14 |
| jd__ | btw, PTL elections will start tomorrow https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Elections_Fall_2013 and I think I heard ttx needed officials to help, if some of you are interested | 15:14 |
| sileht | sandywalsh, cool reports | 15:14 |
| lexx | hi now i do IPMI implementation for monitoring physical devices. What data you prefer to collect there? | 15:14 |
| jd__ | lexx: everything? | 15:15 |
| eglynn | lexx: do you mean monitoring over IPMI itself? | 15:15 |
| gordc | jd__: agreed. | 15:15 |
| eglynn | lexx: (... does that expose everything we currently gather from the hypervisor in the libvirt case?) | 15:16 |
| jd__ | eglynn: I think it's remotely read, no? lexx? | 15:16 |
| lexx | yes | 15:17 |
| gordc | lexx: are you building off this bp: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/ipmi-inspector-for-monitoring-physical-devices ? | 15:17 |
| lexx | yes | 15:17 |
| gordc | lexx: cool cool | 15:17 |
| * eglynn reads ... | 15:17 | |
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| lexx | we already have snmp implementation | 15:17 |
| lexx | but i should know which data should collected by IPMI implementation | 15:18 |
| dragondm | whatever you can get? | 15:19 |
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| eglynn | yeah that was kinda my original question | 15:19 |
| lsmola | lexx, what are the advantages over snmp Hardware agent? | 15:19 |
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| eglynn | i.e. what is available for collection over IPMI? | 15:20 |
| lexx | speed Fan, voltage, temperature | 15:20 |
| sandywalsh | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyipmi/0.8.0 | 15:20 |
| sandywalsh | power on/off would be great (especially for heat) | 15:20 |
| lsmola | lexx, oh cool | 15:21 |
| sandywalsh | bios change for security | 15:21 |
| sandywalsh | os failure | 15:21 |
| sandywalsh | sounds like a combination of events and meters | 15:22 |
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| nadya | one more question from me. I sae several hbase-related bps on launchpad. they are approved but not started since May. Is there any activity about that anythere :)? | 15:22 |
| lsmola | sandywalsh, that is great, that is exactly what we need in Tuskar ans TripleO | 15:22 |
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| lsmola | sandywalsh, also health monitor of host in Horizon will be great | 15:24 |
| gordc | nadya: are you volunteering? :) | 15:24 |
| nadya | gordc, thinking about this :) | 15:24 |
| thomasm | nadya, I just implemented duplicating resource metadata in the meter collection from the HBase driver. That's the only activity on it that I'm aware of. | 15:25 |
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| gordc | nadya: i'd say hbase is probably the least actively supported of the backends we have... i don't think anyone will fight over it with you. | 15:25 |
| lexx | sandywalsh, I didn't find any documentation for pypmi. I prefer to use a ipmitool in subprocess | 15:25 |
| thomasm | nadya, But, I'm not an HBase maintainer, just wanted to address the bug I was working on for every driver. | 15:25 |
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| sandywalsh | lsmola, yeah, I can see ironic using that too | 15:26 |
| nadya | gordc, ok, I see. Thank you for answer | 15:26 |
| sandywalsh | lexx, there seems to be several implementations, which is good | 15:26 |
| nadya | thomasm, thanks for info! | 15:26 |
| thomasm | nadya, sure thing | 15:26 |
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| jd__ | nadya: definitely cool if you can take over HBase maintenance :) | 15:27 |
| lsmola | sandywalsh, cool, I think tripleo is still using Nova-baremetal, but we should switch to to Ironic soon | 15:27 |
| lsmola | lexx, putting you as a depency for Tuskar integration | 15:28 |
| lsmola | lexx, will put it also in Horizon, once i figure out where :-) though it will be something with statistics of Hosts | 15:28 |
| nadya | jd__, I love HBase :) But I'm new in ceilometer so I need to dive into it first | 15:29 |
| jd__ | nadya: sure :) | 15:30 |
| lexx | lsmola, no in not. But statistics of hosts already collect by SNMP | 15:30 |
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| lsmola | lexx, if you mean the Hardware agent, it is collecting only few of them | 15:32 |
| lexx | yes | 15:32 |
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| lsmola | lexx, the one named by you and sandywalsh are not there as far a I know | 15:32 |
| lsmola | lexx, would be cool to add it | 15:33 |
| lexx | ok | 15:33 |
| lsmola | lexx, for tuskar and a tripleo, we are monitoring only the hardware, so this will be very welcome | 15:33 |
| lsmola | lexx, is the some way to monitor e.g. disk health? | 15:34 |
| lsmola | lexx, in general, we are finding a way how to measure the health of the Hardware | 15:35 |
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| lsmola | lexx, so any failures will be usable i guess | 15:35 |
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| lexx | okey | 15:36 |
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| lsmola | lexx, cool | 15:37 |
| lsmola | lexx, thank you very much | 15:37 |
| lexx | no problem) | 15:37 |
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| jd__ | #endmeeting | 15:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:38 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 19 15:38:15 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-09-19-15.00.html | 15:38 |
| lsmola | lexx, is there somewhere full list of data it can collect? | 15:38 |
| jd__ | thanks guys! :) | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-09-19-15.00.txt | 15:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-09-19-15.00.log.html | 15:38 |
| eglynn | right-o, the grindstone awaits ... ;) | 15:38 |
| thomasm | Have a great day/night! | 15:38 |
| jd__ | lsmola: lexx: sorry if I interrupted, you can continue on #openstack-metering! :) | 15:38 |
| gordc | lsmola: lexx: if there is a list, it'd be nice to add it to bp. | 15:38 |
| lsmola | thank you, have a great day | 15:38 |
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| lsmola | gordc, definitelly | 15:39 |
| lsmola | jd__, np | 15:39 |
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| lexx | I dont find it, but I will create it by myself | 15:40 |
| lexx | and will add it | 15:40 |
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| lsmola | lexx, cool thank you very much | 15:42 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 19 17:00:03 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | who's here for the meeting? | 17:00 |
| afazekas | hi | 17:00 |
| Anju | hii | 17:00 |
| mkoderer | hi | 17:00 |
| dkranz | hi | 17:01 |
| giulivo | hi | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | ok here today's agenda: | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | lets get started | 17:01 |
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| mtreinish | #topic neutron testing status | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "neutron testing status (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:01 | |
| ravikumar_hp | hi | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: are you around? | 17:01 |
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| mlavalle | Yes i am | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | ok, any update on neutron testing? | 17:02 |
| mlavalle | mtreinish: I've been debugging isolated_creds | 17:02 |
| mlavalle | mtreinish: as you know, I am having a race issue. With the latest run you sent me….. | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | ok | 17:03 |
| mlavalle | I think I need to add exception handling when I don't find the port in cleanup_ports | 17:03 |
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| psedlak | hi | 17:03 |
| mlavalle | that's going to be my next patchset | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: ok, we talk about the details of the patch after the meeting I had some questions | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | is there anything else on the neutron front? | 17:04 |
| mlavalle | I would also like to request a run of the neutron_full gate job | 17:04 |
| afazekas | can we merge the partially working isolation patch now ? | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: it'll fail on clean up | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: I think it's in the experimental queue | 17:05 |
| mlavalle | right now is disabled. I want to see the status of a run, after all the changes that have been merged | 17:05 |
| mlavalle | can you point me to it? | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: I think you leave a zero comment 'check experimental' | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: is that right? | 17:06 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Yes. | 17:06 |
| mlavalle | mtreinish: ok, with that I will be able to gauge how much more work we need to do to fix it for godd | 17:07 |
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| mlavalle | that's all I have | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | ok cool | 17:07 |
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| mtreinish | let's move on then | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | #topic blueprints | 17:07 |
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| afazekas | The patch makes closer to a working network isolation ant it is easier to continue if it is merged, it does not have any negative impact to the current jobs | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | are there any blueprints that we need to discuss? | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: I'm not comfortable merging code that doesn't work | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | ok if there aren't any blueprints to bring up then lets move | 17:09 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:09 |
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| mlavalle | afazekas: I don't feel comfortable either, yet. let me wrestle with it a little longer | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | are there any reviews that people need to get eyes on? | 17:09 |
| dkranz | mlavalle: You should do the check experimental in a tempest patch. It was not added to all projects. | 17:09 |
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| Anju | mtreinish: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43039/ | 17:10 |
| Anju | this one | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43039/ | 17:10 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38995/ is very old and I hope can be approved. | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38995/ | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | ok I've got them open on my browser I'll take a look after the meeting | 17:11 |
| dkranz | Anju: That link was merged | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | and any other cores can pick them off too | 17:11 |
| giulivo | mtreinish, one more, it's not critical but useful to figure what is good and what isn't for the stable branches | 17:11 |
| giulivo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45808/ | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | Anju: yeah it is | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | Anju: it's also a nova patch | 17:11 |
| Anju | mtreinish: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39621/ | 17:11 |
| Anju | mtreinish: this one | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45808/ | 17:11 |
| giulivo | btw https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45808/ is a cherry pick | 17:12 |
| Anju | i want to how to proceed in v3 tests | 17:12 |
| mkoderer | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39621/ got several -1's | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | giulivo: yeah I see that we can talk about that after the meeting | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | ok are there any other reviews? | 17:13 |
| adalbas | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39621/ | 17:13 |
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| dkranz | mkoderer: I don't think the -1s are valid at this point. | 17:13 |
| Anju | mtreinish, mkoderer , giulivo , dkranz ,afazekas : i know the topic is not for v3 tests. but need a direction... | 17:13 |
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| Anju | mtreinish, mkoderer , giulivo , dkranz ,afazekas : two times -1 in this patch | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah it just needs a rebase probably | 17:14 |
| malini2 | sorry to interrupt -- but do we not have a security meeting today? | 17:14 |
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| mtreinish | malini2: it's in an hour I think | 17:14 |
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| malini2 | oh | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | Anju: there is nothing wrong with the v3 tests but that one just needs a rebase | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | that commit is a straight copy and paste of the v2 tests | 17:15 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: To be clear, we have adopted the copy/modify approach and are ready to move on any v3 reviews, right? | 17:15 |
| Anju | afazekas: is this ok? | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I think that's what the plan is. I didn't really agree with it but the consensus was against me so I'm fine with it now :) | 17:16 |
| Anju | your comments to more inheritance and less copy-paste ? | 17:16 |
| afazekas | Anju: It is the faster way to get v3 test, adding same inheritance is possible latter | 17:16 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: What did you propose? | 17:16 |
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| mtreinish | just adding v3 tests as individual patches don't bother copying and pasting | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | and maybe break it up into smaller patches in a longer series | 17:17 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: but the end result is still a full copy of tests for v3? | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | yeah | 17:17 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I was talking about copy/modify vs attemped inheritance | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | yeah the copy/modify is the way they're going to do it | 17:18 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I don't remember a discussion and don't really have an opinion about how we get there | 17:18 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: But we can move on now. | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | it was on the ml and partially in a review at one point | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | yeah ok let's go to the next topic | 17:18 |
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| mtreinish | #topic How to handle bug fixes in launchpad | 17:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "How to handle bug fixes in launchpad (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:19 | |
| mtreinish | so this one is mine | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | during the bug day earlier this week we noticed that all the fixed bugs were in the fix committed state | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | it used to immediately go into fix released after the patch was merged | 17:20 |
| mtreinish | there seemed to be a bit of disagreement over which approach was better | 17:20 |
| afazekas | IMHO after it merged it should go the Fix released state automatically or with 1-7 day delay | 17:20 |
| dkranz | afazekas: I agree | 17:20 |
| mtreinish | so I just wanted to bring it up during the meeting to see if there was a strong opinion one way or the other | 17:20 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: ok yeah that's what I'm leaning towards again | 17:21 |
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| mtreinish | I can revert for jeepb to switch it back to the old behavior then | 17:21 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Thanks. | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | ok this was a quick topic | 17:21 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Bogus errors in logs one more time | 17:22 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: you're up | 17:22 |
| dkranz | So I was trying to see if there was a failure in the neutron logs and saw that it too has lots of bogus ERROR/stacktrace | 17:22 |
| giulivo | mtreinish, and eventually move whatever is in fix committed to fix released ? | 17:22 |
| dkranz | That show up even on successful runs | 17:22 |
| afazekas | the tempest.log should have a thread/pid number | 17:22 |
| mtreinish | giulivo: yeah that was the intent of switching leaving it in fix committed | 17:23 |
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| dkranz | infra has agreed they could put in a regexp on the logs to fail a build if bogus errors show up | 17:23 |
| dkranz | Part of fixing this issues is educating developers about what log.error should be used and not used for. | 17:23 |
| dkranz | The second part is giving some priority to fixing the bogus ones | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah I've seen overuse of log.ERROR before too | 17:24 |
| afazekas | I hope it will not lead to not using the error or critical level when it is required | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | I think sdague was working on a whitelist at one point | 17:24 |
| dkranz | The third part is defining a "whitelist" so that infra can start failing builds that introduce new ones. | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | or that might have just been for stacktraces | 17:24 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I haven | 17:25 |
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| dkranz | I haven't heard any one disagree with these points but I'm not sure how to make it happen. | 17:25 |
| dkranz | Particularly the priority part | 17:25 |
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| dkranz | I don't know why people don't think this has customer/user impact | 17:25 |
| dkranz | It was a major headache with the system I ran. | 17:26 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: well we can make a blueprint for this, for the priority one it's really 2 parts identifying the spurious log messages and then opening bugs for them | 17:26 |
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| mtreinish | and marking them as high priority bugs | 17:26 |
| jog0 | it would be nice to see some of this before Havana is cut | 17:26 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Yeah. THere are already a bunch of bugs I filed a while ago. | 17:26 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I can take another pass at this. | 17:27 |
| dkranz | But really some one from each team should grep there logs and go from there | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | I think the best way to start going about this is to send out a post to the ML to try to get a wider audience | 17:27 |
| afazekas | +1 | 17:27 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Sure. But I've done that before :( | 17:28 |
| jog0 | we can use logstash for this i think | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | jog0: yeah logstash will be useful for this too | 17:28 |
| dkranz | jog0: How? | 17:28 |
| jog0 | (for finding what stactraces happen today) | 17:28 |
| giulivo | dkranz, mtreinish how about going the opposite route which is collecting what is logged as error also when tempest succeeds and post it to the -dev list ? | 17:28 |
| dkranz | giulivo: That is exactly what I was talking about | 17:28 |
| giulivo | oh I thought asking -dev to inspect | 17:29 |
| dkranz | giulivo: Yes, to inspect the bogus ERROR in their logs | 17:29 |
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| giulivo | ok so I was just suggesting -qa/-infra inspects the logs first and post the bogus messages | 17:29 |
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| jog0 | @message:Traceback* AND @fields.filename:"logs/screen-n-api.txt" | 17:30 |
| jog0 | dkranz: ^ put that in logstash.openstack.org | 17:30 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: there should probably be a summit topic on this too. | 17:30 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: OK, I'll put one in. | 17:31 |
| mtreinish | but we want to start it before havana | 17:31 |
| jog0 | 'message:Traceback* AND @fields.filename:"logs/screen-n-api.txt" AND @fields.build_status:"SUCCESS"' will tell you for only passing jobs | 17:31 |
| dkranz | jog0: OK | 17:31 |
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| dkranz | jog0: There are also bogus ERROR without stacktrace | 17:31 |
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| mtreinish | there is also the find_stack_traces.py script in tools | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | although I haven't used it at all | 17:32 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I will do something | 17:32 |
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| afazekas | where the white list should be stored ? is the devstack-gate repo good for whitelist ? | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: it should probably be separate | 17:33 |
| dkranz | afazekas: Sean had some idea for this but didn't tell me details | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: well then we can all bug him when he gets back. | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: it probably wouldn't hurt to start a bp on this now | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | and we can fill in the details after we have some more discussion about how to do it | 17:34 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: OK, I'll do that. | 17:34 |
| afazekas | tempest or infra bp ? | 17:34 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: The problem is that it is really a cross-project blueprint | 17:34 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: We as a community don't always do so well with those. | 17:35 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah, it really doesn't fit too well in one project. Just stick it somewhere I guess | 17:35 |
| mtreinish | we can make individual project bps too | 17:35 |
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| mtreinish | and use dependency to track them | 17:35 |
| mtreinish | that's what I did for the coverage extension | 17:35 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: That's a good idea. | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/tempest-coverage-reporting | 17:36 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I'll figure out which projects have issues and open them in each | 17:36 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: tempest is probably the one project that won't require code changes :) | 17:36 |
| psedlak | isn't the infra obvious choice for that (bogus errors), what would be the reason to create it as tempest bp? | 17:36 |
| jog0 | if we can gate on no new stacktraces before Havana is out that would be really amazing | 17:36 |
| dkranz | jog0: Yes | 17:37 |
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| dkranz | jog0: To be clear, are you distinguishing between incorrect ERRORs that have stacktraces and those that don't? | 17:37 |
| dkranz | jog0: If we make "rules" for developers we have to be very precise | 17:38 |
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| afazekas | if there is an ERROR message without detailed info it is a double -1 :) | 17:39 |
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| dkranz | IMO, ERROR in log should be for something the operator *should* understand/investigate | 17:39 |
| dkranz | And can thus be used as a monitoring alert | 17:40 |
| jog0 | I agree with dkranz. I think its better to take a smaller step at first and just worry about stacktraces and not errors | 17:40 |
| afazekas | +1 | 17:40 |
| dkranz | swift is hopeless in this regard | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: +1 (not about swift I haven't really looked at swift logs much) | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok is there anything else on this topic? | 17:41 |
| rockyg | Gotta start somewhere. +1 | 17:41 |
| dkranz | jog0: I'm ok with that. | 17:41 |
| dkranz | Just want to make sure if people agree with my statement about ERROR above | 17:41 |
| dkranz | at 13:39 | 17:42 |
| afazekas | dkranz: I assume syslog con be configured to separate the swift logs | 17:42 |
| rockyg | Yes | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I do (that's what the +1 was for) | 17:42 |
| dkranz | afazekas: Sure | 17:42 |
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| jog0 | dkranz: why not punt the ERROR msg stuff till Icehouse | 17:42 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: OK, great. I'll report next week on my progress. | 17:42 |
| jog0 | consensus and all) | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | jog0: yeah that makes sense | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok you'll get a semi-permanent spot on the agenda then :) | 17:43 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: :) | 17:43 |
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| mtreinish | ok then let's open the floor | 17:43 |
| rockyg | Error in log means investigate to any ops guy. So better have enough info for them to stay to dog e | 17:43 |
| mtreinish | #topic open discussion | 17:43 |
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| mtreinish | are there any topics to bring up with what time is left? | 17:44 |
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| jog0 | mtreinish: you can mention the work we have been doing | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | oh yeah this is a good forum to discuss that | 17:44 |
| afazekas | The pid/thread should be logged in the tempest.log , inorder to distinguish the logs from different workers | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | so jog0 and I have been working on a bot that watches the gerrit stream for tempest failures | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | and then use logstash to find fingerprints for open bugs | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | and report back on irc and the gerrit commit with what it found | 17:45 |
| rockyg | Cool | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | you've probably seen RecheckWatchBot on the -qa channel | 17:46 |
| jog0 | well a human stil has to find the fingerprint but then we use logstash to classify the failures | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | yeah that's what I meant (I didn't word it clearly) | 17:46 |
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| mtreinish | we're going to be moving it over to infra soon and will have everything up in gerrit too | 17:46 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: That's cool. | 17:47 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Who do we expect to look at this, and what do we expect them to do? | 17:47 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: it's mostly to lower the developer load for using recheck | 17:48 |
| jog0 | dkranz: you and the patch author | 17:48 |
| mtreinish | and avoid duplicate bugs | 17:48 |
| afazekas | What is the easiest way to find the logs relates a recheck ? on the recheck page you see the change number, but you need to click a lot for getting to the real job logs | 17:48 |
| dkranz | jog0: Ah | 17:48 |
| dkranz | So if I see this I should go to the review and do a recheck if one hasn't been done already? | 17:48 |
| jog0 | in this case https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47365/ just the patch auther looks at it | 17:48 |
| jog0 | or you if you want | 17:49 |
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| jog0 | but when an unclassifed faulure comes up, we need to write a logstash query for it | 17:49 |
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| jog0 | https://github.com/jogo/elasticRecheck/blob/master/queries.json | 17:49 |
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| jog0 | afazekas: there isn't an easy way which is why we wrote this | 17:50 |
| dkranz | jog0: I see. | 17:50 |
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| mtreinish | afazekas: about the logging I'm not opposed to doing that, but it's not exactly straightforward and I think it's a lower priority | 17:51 |
| jog0 | this should reduce the number or recheck no bugs, making our recheck numbers more accurate | 17:51 |
| jog0 | allowing us to better prioritize transient gate failures | 17:51 |
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| afazekas | Is anybody knows why this bug moved to medium ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1205344 can we enable the test case ? | 17:52 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1205344 in nova "mkfs error in test_stamp_pattern" [Medium,Confirmed] | 17:52 |
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| mtreinish | jog0: ^^^ you and russellb were talking about that yesterday right? | 17:53 |
| jog0 | afazekas: yeah russell changed it yesterday | 17:53 |
| jog0 | you can dig through the eavesdrop for nova for the exact wording | 17:53 |
| jog0 | how frequent was that bug | 17:53 |
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| afazekas | it was really frequent | 17:54 |
| jog0 | russellb: ^ | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: you guys should probably take this offline (we've got ~5 min left) | 17:55 |
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| mtreinish | are there any other topics to bring up with what time we've got left? | 17:55 |
| dkranz | Not from me | 17:55 |
| giulivo | jog0, I think it is a nice tool, you said will enable coop via gerrit not git pull requests right? | 17:55 |
| giulivo | looks like managing the queries is the most coop part | 17:56 |
| mtreinish | giulivo: yeah that's the plan we're probably going to be making the move today | 17:56 |
| clarkb | at least starting the process of moving | 17:56 |
| mtreinish | clarkb: :) | 17:56 |
| clarkb | I don't want to sneak it by jeblair, fungi, and mordred and we are all pretty busy this week | 17:56 |
| psedlak | afazekas touched the issue that logs from parallel runs are not much useful ... could we add thread/pid numbers to log format or something like that? | 17:57 |
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| clarkb | psedlak: the subunit log has that | 17:58 |
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| clarkb | psedlak: I think we should probably attach the logs to the subunit for each test as they are run | 17:58 |
| clarkb | this is what nova et al do | 17:58 |
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| psedlak | yes, i for example meant the tempest.txt ... | 17:58 |
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| psedlak | clarkb: what has to be done for that? | 17:59 |
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| clarkb | psedlak: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/nova/test.py#n242 | 18:00 |
| mtreinish | psedlak: another option which might be simpler would be printing the testname with each log message | 18:00 |
| mtreinish | but we're out of time | 18:00 |
| mtreinish | psedlak: we can pick this up on -qa | 18:00 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 19 18:00:23 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-09-19-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-09-19-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-09-19-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
| clarkb | basically in your base test case setup a log fixture to capture the logs (should be really easy 99% of the work is in the test libs) | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 19 18:00:38 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | hi everyone, time for OSSG meeting | 18:00 |
| thomasbiege | hi | 18:00 |
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| bdpayne | do we have others in attendance? | 18:01 |
| thomasbiege | brb | 18:01 |
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| hyakuhei | whaddup | 18:01 |
| elo | yes. | 18:01 |
| malini2 | hey there! | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | ah, hyakuhei nice to see you here :-) | 18:02 |
| hyakuhei | :) I've missed this place | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | alright, let's begin | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | #topic Previous Action Items | 18:02 |
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| malini2 | elo -- greetings | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | We had a few action items from last week | 18:02 |
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| bdpayne | malini1 any update on the glossary? | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | malini2 ^^ | 18:03 |
| hyakuhei | Oh yes, I'm happy to review that tomorrow if it's still in review. | 18:03 |
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| * bdpayne gets confused when people change user names :-) | 18:03 | |
| malini2 | sorry, not had chance to work much on it .. thus no updates to patch | 18:03 |
| malini2 | but a little progress | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | ok | 18:04 |
| thomasbiege | re | 18:04 |
| malini2 | same malini .. i must register a nickname | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne | no worries | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne | the other action items were releated to polishing up the wiki page | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | the how to contribute page | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | I didn't get to that this week | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne | but, it remains on my todo list | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | Also, I quick logo update | 18:05 |
| malini2 | hyakuhei -- no do not review, we got help from doc folks on how to use the master glossary, now just need to update our chapters to use that | 18:05 |
| hyakuhei | So I had a todo list but I burnt it | 18:05 |
| hyakuhei | oh ok cool, is that documented somewhere nice? I'll contribute where I can | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | I heard back from the foundation and they have denied our request for an OSSG logo that is a derivative of the OS logo | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | We can, however, use the OS logo… subject to the normal usage guidelines | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | So that project has come to a conclusion. | 18:06 |
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| bdpayne | ok, moving on... | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | #topic Ongoing Work | 18:06 |
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| hyakuhei | :( I guess that means we've got freedom to come up with something more creative? Just using the OpenStack logo on it's own isn't very exciting | 18:06 |
| malini2 | bdpayne -- they decided this based on our rough draft or after we spent good money to make a fancy logo? | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | Yes, we could certainly do a completely fresh logo | 18:07 |
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| bdpayne | They decided this on the rough draft | 18:07 |
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| malini2 | bdpayne -- a tad bit mollified | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | Personally, I'm a little logo'd out, but it someone else wants to push this effort ahead with another logo design, I'm ok with that | 18:07 |
| hyakuhei | It'd be nice to have _something_ for the summit | 18:08 |
| hyakuhei | but not massively important | 18:08 |
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| bdpayne | I'm ok just using the OS logo | 18:08 |
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| bdpayne | but, that's just me | 18:08 |
| malini2 | i am logo-ed out .. we can stick a little lock image on the footer of our presentations | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | heh | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | ok | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | hyakuhei I saw you did some OSSN updating today, care to provide an update here? | 18:09 |
| malini2 | may be they felt the original logo becomes "insecure" if we have a "secure" version | 18:09 |
| hyakuhei | There are no more outstanding OSSNs at the moment. Some of them weren't perfect but they'd been in a draft state for far too long | 18:09 |
| hyakuhei | Things I'd like: Someone who can commit to proof reading all OSSNs | 18:10 |
| hyakuhei | Someone to write OSSNs when I'm not around / share the load - We should be publishing more than we are | 18:10 |
| malini2 | hyakuhei -- I read all of yours | 18:10 |
| hyakuhei | I still need to go through the security guide and add the OSSN references | 18:10 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks malini2 - the help is appreciated but I'd like to formalize the process a little | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | hyakuhei you looking for a committed team? | 18:11 |
| hyakuhei | A little more process perhaps, I'd like to not be a single point of failure | 18:11 |
| hyakuhei | other than that I'm looking for ways to speed it up is all | 18:11 |
| malini2 | hyakuhei -- I will be out all of November, other than conference, will commit in Jan, I apologize. | 18:11 |
| hyakuhei | Heh | 18:12 |
| hyakuhei | I'll draft something up, it'll be good fodder for the 'get involved' wiki | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | sounds good | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | also, there's been some discussion on slides | 18:12 |
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| bdpayne | malini2 care to provide an update there? | 18:12 |
| malini2 | i just sent a few of you link to google doc | 18:13 |
| hyakuhei | Sure, whats it in relation to? Did the panel discussion get accepted? | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | this is the general slide deck for OSSG | 18:13 |
| hyakuhei | Aaaah nice | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | malini2 care to share the link here? | 18:14 |
| hyakuhei | I remember now. The deck is looking reasonably tidy already, Lots of tidying required and a few gaps but I like the looks of it | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | or would you like further review first? | 18:14 |
| hyakuhei | "OpenStack is made up of defensible technologes" - That again! | 18:15 |
| malini2 | do not know how to share | 18:15 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: I completely hold you responsible for that (as your boss isn't here)( | 18:15 |
| hyakuhei | Ahaha. Ok I should read the whole slide - my reply is there. | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | lol | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7YGqQvPhrazaHkxdTVFdmc5UDg/edit?usp=sharing | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | ^^ link to view the slides | 18:15 |
| uvirtbot | bdpayne: Error: "^" is not a valid command. | 18:15 |
| elo | taking a look now | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | sorry Mr Bot | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | anyway, this is worth reviewing and improving for anyone who is interested | 18:16 |
| hyakuhei | Looks good | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | the goal here is to have a slide deck that we, as a group, keep up to date | 18:16 |
| hyakuhei | Edit on google docs? | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | then people could talk openstack security in user groups and such more easily | 18:16 |
| elo | looks good | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | direct edits seems fine | 18:17 |
| malini2 | :-) thanks bdpayne! networking etc not fleshed out .. the book is loaded with good stuff, but on the bright side I have read book cover to cover | 18:17 |
| hyakuhei | Obviously a lot of work has gone into this already, malini2 was this mainly your effort? | 18:17 |
| hyakuhei | Are you ok with us all diving in and changing things? | 18:17 |
| malini2 | yes :-) :-) | 18:17 |
| elo | and networking adds new services in Havana | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | thanks malini2! | 18:17 |
| malini2 | cutting and pasting nice pictures from git | 18:18 |
| hyakuhei | Superb work! | 18:18 |
| hyakuhei | Do we want crib notes for each slide? | 18:18 |
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| malini2 | absolutely -- dig in | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | I think that would be nice | 18:18 |
| malini2 | do add crib notes | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | #action everyone to help review / edit slides | 18:18 |
| elo | yes… so we all know what are the main points to highligh in each slide... | 18:19 |
| hyakuhei | Ok cool, we'll I'll look to present this at FOSDEM, so I'll put some effort in over the next few months. | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | any other ongoing work that people would like to discuss? | 18:19 |
| malini2 | i thought if we each add a slide or two, this will get done just like the book, and if you do not mind, I will edit, so it does not get too verbose | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | sounds reasonable | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | #topic Summit | 18:20 |
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| bdpayne | I'd like to discuss the summit a litlte bit today | 18:21 |
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| bdpayne | I had thought we would know which talks were accepted by now | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | Looks like that may not happen until next week | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | Nevertheless… | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | Is anyone submitting a dev session topic? | 18:21 |
| hyakuhei | Christ. I've got _so_ many things to write! | 18:21 |
| elo | someone said to me by the 23rd | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | elo 23rd is what I've heard as welll, for the summit talks | 18:22 |
| elo | I'm working on Neutron HOL with my coworker | 18:22 |
| hyakuhei | The format of the summit this year is making life hard for security folks | 18:22 |
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| bdpayne | design session submissions are open http://summit.openstack.org/ | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | I'd like for the OSSG to put together a google doc spreadsheet to track these | 18:23 |
| hyakuhei | As in a security-related list? | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | listing both summit sessions and -- more importantly -- design sessions that are security relavent | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | yeah | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | and then we should aim to get some good coverage from the group in attending the sessions we think are most important | 18:24 |
| malini2 | good idea on spreadsheet | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | there will be too many for any one person to cover | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | I'm happy to take the lead on putting that together | 18:24 |
| hyakuhei | Are you thinking that we do a roundup afterwards? | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | #action bdpayne to put together spreadsheet for tracking security related sessions at summit | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | yes | 18:25 |
| hyakuhei | This scares me: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/45 | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | after the summit, we should sync on what we heard and next steps | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | we can do that here in these meetings | 18:25 |
| hyakuhei | Sounds good | 18:25 |
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| bdpayne | hyakuhei yeah… there are people pushing lxc as a good (and secure?!?!) alternative to VMs | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | which is prolematic | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | *problematic | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | ok, that's all I have for today… anything else ? | 18:26 |
| elo | nope. | 18:26 |
| hyakuhei | nope. | 18:26 |
| malini2 | yes yes, one more thing. intel has microservers .. say 8 atom servers, while they can run VMs, their best use is low power, high IO etc | 18:27 |
| malini2 | at intel idf there was interest in them .. t hey come into the data center .. they will come into cloud and thier performance/watt may make them good bare | 18:28 |
| malini2 | metal candidate | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | interesting, though bare metal scares me | 18:28 |
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| malini2 | sso we need to watch and guide the LXC/barenetal stuff | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | agreed | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | there's a time and place for these solutions | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | but the security implications aren't obvious to most people | 18:29 |
| hyakuhei | Same for Moonshot I guess | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | so I think our role is to help provide clarity around that | 18:29 |
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| malini2 | the microservers came into existence for bing-like workloads .. | 18:30 |
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| malini2 | will send offline some specs/data so we could discuss next meeting | 18:30 |
| bdpayne | sounds good, thanks | 18:30 |
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| bdpayne | ok, have a great week everyone | 18:30 |
| thomasbiege | bye | 18:31 |
| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:31 |
| hyakuhei | Cheers! | 18:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 19 18:31:10 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-09-19-18.00.html | 18:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-09-19-18.00.txt | 18:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-09-19-18.00.log.html | 18:31 |
| malini2 | bye!!! | 18:31 |
| malini2 | elo -- will you call me | 18:31 |
| hyakuhei | woo - no actions against me! I like it when bdpayne runs the meetings | 18:31 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 18:31 |
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| elo | ok. | 18:32 |
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| harlowja | #startmeeting state-management | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 19 20:00:11 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: state-management)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'state_management' | 20:00 |
| harlowja | howdy folks! | 20:00 |
| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StateManagement#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 20:00 |
| melnikov | hi there | 20:00 |
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| kebray | hello | 20:00 |
| caitlin56 | hello | 20:00 |
| kebray | I didn't do my action item. | 20:01 |
| kebray | :-( | 20:01 |
| changbl | hey guys | 20:01 |
| harlowja | hi hi | 20:01 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:01 |
| harlowja | kebray u have been a bad boy | 20:01 |
| harlowja | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-09-12-20.00.html | 20:01 |
| harlowja | hi caitlin56 melnikov changbl | 20:01 |
| harlowja | so lets see | 20:01 |
| harlowja | #topic action-items-from-last-time | 20:02 |
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| adrian_otto | hi | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | so i did some documentation updates for mine, reworking existing docs a little also | 20:02 |
| harlowja | hi adrian_otto | 20:02 |
| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TaskFlow/Engines was one of those | 20:02 |
| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TaskFlow/Persistence was the other | 20:03 |
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| harlowja | i should probably continue improving those (of course) | 20:03 |
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| harlowja | since without docs, nobody knows what we are doing, ha | 20:04 |
| changbl | +1 harlowja | 20:04 |
| melnikov | i did my action item, almost -- new convenient function is called taskflow.engines.run(), and it is under review: https://review.openstack.org/46458 | 20:04 |
| harlowja | thx melnikov ! | 20:05 |
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| changbl | +1 melnikov , I put some comments there | 20:05 |
| harlowja | looks like thats progressing well, will be a very nice function to make it really simple to use taskflow | 20:05 |
| harlowja | thx changbl | 20:05 |
| changbl | yes, as simple as possible, please guys | 20:05 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:06 |
| harlowja | yes sir! | 20:06 |
| changbl | lol | 20:06 |
| harlowja | kebray next week maybe u can do your action item ;) | 20:06 |
| kebray | hopefully. | 20:06 |
| kebray | Will certainly do my best. | 20:07 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:07 |
| harlowja | #action kebray mess around with taskflow | 20:07 |
| harlowja | so cool, lets see about any needed coordination stuffs | 20:08 |
| harlowja | #topic overall-effort-and-coordination | 20:08 |
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| harlowja | so this week i think the big things that are (hopefully) going in are melnikov run(), flow flattening, and the rework of the multi-threaded engine | 20:08 |
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| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46458/ | 20:09 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46692/ | 20:09 |
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| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47238/ | 20:09 |
| harlowja | (in order of mentioning) | 20:09 |
| harlowja | i think jessica has been chugging away on the distributed engine also | 20:09 |
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| harlowja | and lets see, what else, a shout out to sandywalsh_ :-P | 20:10 |
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| harlowja | we got mentioned on his blog, ha | 20:10 |
| harlowja | #link http://www.sandywalsh.com/2013/09/notification-usage-in-openstack-report.html | 20:10 |
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| harlowja | "We have big hopes that the TaskFlow project will mature and that existing projects will start to use it. Having a common state management library will mean a central location for notification generation." :) | 20:10 |
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| sandywalsh_ | your welcome :) ... I just watched Jessica's taskflow video ... it's very good | 20:10 |
| harlowja | so thanks sandywalsh_ | 20:10 |
| kebray | harlowja has TaskFlow been accepted into mainline yet? | 20:11 |
| kebray | if not, do you know what coordination stuff needs to happen? | 20:11 |
| harlowja | mainline meaning? | 20:11 |
| kebray | to make that happen? | 20:11 |
| kebray | master | 20:11 |
| harlowja | master of what? | 20:11 |
| kebray | or is it still wip | 20:11 |
| harlowja | master of oslo? master of ? | 20:11 |
| kebray | gerrit review acceptance | 20:11 |
| kebray | master of TaskFlwo | 20:11 |
| harlowja | confused | 20:12 |
| kebray | ok.. we can take that offline | 20:12 |
| harlowja | Taskflow has been accepted into master of Taskflow | 20:12 |
| harlowja | :-P | 20:12 |
| kebray | doh.. sorry, distributed engine. | 20:12 |
| kebray | err. | 20:12 |
| kebray | typo. | 20:12 |
| kebray | has distributed engine been accepted into TaskFlow? | 20:12 |
| harlowja | not yet, still being worked on afaik | 20:12 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45585/ | 20:12 |
| kebray | Last I heard, it hadn't landed because so many TaskFlow changes were happening... it was like a moving target, and kept breaking distributed WIP. | 20:13 |
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| kebray | Was wondering if there is any coordination that needs to happen... I want to make sure distributed gets in before the summit. | 20:13 |
| harlowja | i think it will, it should calm down i think | 20:13 |
| kebray | Was wondering if others are in agreement on that, or against that. | 20:13 |
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| harlowja | if jessica feels like its ready, and others do as well, then i see no problem in getting it in | 20:14 |
| kebray | k. | 20:14 |
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| kebray | I know there was some frustration that she couldn't get it in because everything kept changing under the hood... has caused a lot of reworking.. hoping ya'll can help with that, get distributed in, then do rework that is inclusive of ensuring distributed continues to work along the way. | 20:15 |
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| kebray | otherwise she'll never be able to keep up as the lone distributed developer right now. | 20:15 |
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| kebray | and, if things continue to be in flux. | 20:15 |
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| harlowja | sure, but this is the way of how software goes, things may always be in flux | 20:16 |
| harlowja | *to some level* | 20:16 |
| harlowja | although i do know that being a lone distributed developer is not sustainable, so hopefully that can change sometime | 20:16 |
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| sandywalsh_ | https://twitter.com/TheSandyWalsh/status/380776942196121600 | 20:17 |
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| harlowja | thx sandywalsh_ | 20:17 |
| harlowja | kebray so i understand the concern, and i agree with u that it needs two get in, although the issue of 'long distributed developer' doesn't go away if its in :) | 20:18 |
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| harlowja | *lone | 20:18 |
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| harlowja | especially since i think distributed is actually the most complicated one :) | 20:18 |
| harlowja | and has to be done really really carefully | 20:18 |
| harlowja | *even if celery is behind it* | 20:18 |
| harlowja | but we can chat afterwards maybe about this more? | 20:19 |
| harlowja | sound ok kebray ? | 20:19 |
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| kebray | sounds good. | 20:20 |
| harlowja | cool | 20:20 |
| harlowja | #topic new-use-cases | 20:20 |
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| harlowja | so there was a new use-case and maybe some new ideas for cinder backend activities that caitlin56 had recently | 20:21 |
| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder_Backend_Activities | 20:21 |
| harlowja | caitlin56 do u might giving a little summary of your idea | 20:21 |
| harlowja | *and maybe how u think it releates to taskflow | 20:21 |
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| harlowja | hmmm, ok, maybe she went away | 20:23 |
| harlowja | so the part of that wiki that i was wondering about was | 20:23 |
| harlowja | 'To properly utilize Volume Driver abilities, the taskflow code will need to be able to read a list of Volume Driver attributes that document these capabilities. ' | 20:23 |
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| harlowja | where attributes could be | 20:23 |
| harlowja | Stateless Activities: | 20:23 |
| harlowja | Snapshot Replication: | 20:23 |
| harlowja | ... | 20:23 |
| harlowja | so i'm working on wrapping my head around how that might affect taskflow | 20:24 |
| * caitlin56 apologizes - phone call from her boss. | 20:24 | |
| harlowja | np | 20:24 |
| caitlin56 | I can discuss the cinder backend now. | 20:24 |
| harlowja | sweet | 20:24 |
| harlowja | thx caitlin56 | 20:24 |
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| caitlin56 | As to the capabilities: these need to cover things like whether the Cinder volume is on the same machine as Cinder or on an external machine. | 20:25 |
| caitlin56 | The current code assumes the former, and fetches the payload, compresses it and then puts it object storage. | 20:25 |
| caitlin56 | This is not the optimal algorithm if the volume is actually on a third machine -- you want to tell *that* machine to put it to the Object Server. | 20:26 |
| caitlin56 | You can't write a taskflow that is smart without being able to query attributes like that. | 20:26 |
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| harlowja | so this might affect the construction/runtime of the flow based on those attributes? | 20:27 |
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| caitlin56 | Yes. | 20:27 |
| harlowja | k | 20:27 |
| caitlin56 | So we want to keep them minimal and big. | 20:28 |
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| harlowja | do u think that the attributes need to be ran at runtime (while executing the flow) or before (during construction) | 20:28 |
| harlowja | something like if 'xattribute' use this flow; otherwise use that one | 20:28 |
| caitlin56 | I'm assuming they would be static. | 20:29 |
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| caitlin56 | You aren't going to change your method of doing snapshots on the fly. | 20:29 |
| harlowja | sure | 20:29 |
| caitlin56 | That's probably an important thing to state, however. | 20:29 |
| harlowja | ya, runtime makes it alot harder :-P | 20:29 |
| harlowja | ahead of time, not so bad | 20:29 |
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| caitlin56 | Incredibly hard if the backend things it can change dynamically and the taskflow assumes it is static. | 20:30 |
| harlowja | ya | 20:30 |
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| caitlin56 | There are several storage scenarios, but what I think is best is to concentrate on backing a volume up to an object as the first, get it right, and then generalize. | 20:31 |
| harlowja | agreed | 20:31 |
| harlowja | so how would these attributes affect taskflow i guess is my question, if the attributes are ahead-of-time determined, then the thing that uses taskflow can look at those attributes and form a 'set' of tasks using those attributes? | 20:31 |
| harlowja | or do u imagine something else there? | 20:31 |
| caitlin56 | yes, a big outer if statement. | 20:31 |
| harlowja | the way i could see it affecting taskflow is if u have something like the following | 20:32 |
| caitlin56 | I think we can have 2 or 3 strategies, and deal with hundreds of backends. | 20:32 |
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| harlowja | def volume_get_flow_for_snapshot() | 20:32 |
| harlowja | this would then return a flow | 20:32 |
| harlowja | and then the outter thing would analyze that returned flow for 'attributes' | 20:32 |
| harlowja | but it seems like the outter if statement wouldn't need that | 20:33 |
| harlowja | so would taskflow i guess be the thing responsible for just holding the attribute -> flow mapping | 20:33 |
| harlowja | simialr to #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43051/ | 20:33 |
| caitlin56 | Well, to cite one specific example, you have storage backends with relatively low cost snapshots and those with heavy cost snapshots. | 20:33 |
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| harlowja | sure | 20:34 |
| caitlin56 | With cheap snapshots, you do a backup by taking an anonymous snapshot, backing the snapshot up and then deleting it. | 20:34 |
| caitlin56 | The state of the volume is not impacted by your backing it up. | 20:34 |
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| caitlin56 | With expensive snapshots, you want to quiesce the volume (putting it in a 'backing-up' state) and copy from the volume itself. | 20:35 |
| caitlin56 | But that's two strategies, not one strategy for each vendor. | 20:35 |
| harlowja | right | 20:35 |
| harlowja | gotcha | 20:35 |
| harlowja | so u thinking that taskflow could provide that attribute -> strategy layer (?) | 20:35 |
| harlowja | or should that recide in cinder | 20:35 |
| caitlin56 | The trick is to provide progress in either case. | 20:35 |
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| harlowja | sure | 20:36 |
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| harlowja | which taskflow can do since its hookin in at that 'level' | 20:36 |
| caitlin56 | It will vary. I think that one can be done with clever coding of the backup_volume method. Others will require a more outer switch. | 20:36 |
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| harlowja | sure | 20:37 |
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| caitlin56 | BTW, everything we're discussing with Cinder would apply to Manila (NFS shares for opensgtack) if that project is approved. | 20:37 |
| harlowja | of course, i think it applies elsewhere also :) | 20:37 |
| caitlin56 | Anywhere you are dealing with long running operations and differring implementation strategies. | 20:38 |
| harlowja | just trying to distill i down to how it might look in taskflow :) | 20:38 |
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| harlowja | *it down | 20:38 |
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| harlowja | sure, so maybe it starts off with that attribute -> strategy object, this object can be queried given a bunch of attributes (and gives back the strategy) | 20:39 |
| harlowja | then cinder can register its attributes/strategies | 20:39 |
| harlowja | and tell taskflow to go execute the strategy with XYZ attributes | 20:39 |
| caitlin56 | I'm not an expert on python style, so I'm very flexible about exact coding representation. | 20:40 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:40 |
| harlowja | does the general idea though seem to be what u are aiming for? | 20:40 |
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| caitlin56 | Yes, plus creating some sort of abstraction that is inclusive of a normal task and something running on a server not under openstack control. | 20:41 |
| caitlin56 | Both would report progress, but you wouldn't be able to control priorities/etc for an external "activity". | 20:41 |
| caitlin56 | So I suppose it's a subset interface. | 20:41 |
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| harlowja | sure, i think #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46331/ is part of that second one | 20:42 |
| ekarlso | so | 20:42 |
| harlowja | although priority control taskflow currently doesn't do (although its an interesting idea), ha | 20:42 |
| ekarlso | what's goin' on ? | 20:42 |
| harlowja | hi ekarlso | 20:42 |
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| caitlin56 | harlowja: yes. That combines the progress reporting too. | 20:43 |
| harlowja | ekarlso just chatting about https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder_Backend_Activities | 20:43 |
| caitlin56 | But none of us (Nexenta) are really expert at core Nova compute stuff. If we're doing things in a way that is awkward do not be afraid to tell us what would be a more normal interface. | 20:44 |
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| harlowja | i think it seems like an ok interface | 20:44 |
| harlowja | its a generally set of useful concepts i think :) | 20:44 |
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| harlowja | caitlin56 let me write up a blueprint for this in taskflow, and see if i captured it correctly | 20:45 |
| harlowja | sound ok? | 20:45 |
| caitlin56 | And I think it would even take as far as having taskflow that managed failovers between hot standbys -- without requiring each vendor to code that. | 20:45 |
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| caitlin56 | sounds good. | 20:45 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja writeup blueprint with distilled taskflow (work idea) for https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder_Backend_Activities | 20:46 |
| harlowja | managed failovers with hot standbys, hmmmm | 20:46 |
| harlowja | that requires the persistence stuff though, to know where to 'pick up last' | 20:46 |
| harlowja | correct? | 20:46 |
| caitlin56 | correct. | 20:47 |
| harlowja | k, np, thats being polished as we speak | 20:47 |
| caitlin56 | The strategy I favor is incremental snapshots, and cloning the volume from the most recent snapshot. | 20:47 |
| caitlin56 | But you can also do a continuous transaction feed. | 20:47 |
| caitlin56 | One policy - multiple implementations. | 20:48 |
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| harlowja | sure | 20:48 |
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| harlowja | thats the openstack way :-P | 20:48 |
| harlowja | cool, thx caitlin56 for discussing, i'll try to see if i can write what might need to be done up :) | 20:49 |
| harlowja | and pass it by u | 20:49 |
| harlowja | *and others* | 20:49 |
| harlowja | #topic open-discuss | 20:50 |
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| harlowja | anything anyone wants to talk about that i missed?? :) | 20:50 |
| harlowja | thx changbl for helping out with some reviews | 20:50 |
| changbl | np harlowja | 20:50 |
| melnikov | what about some crazy ideas? #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/taskflow/+spec/eliminate-patterns | 20:50 |
| changbl | maybe out of scope, I have one question: | 20:50 |
| harlowja | oh crazy ideas, haha! | 20:50 |
| harlowja | i like the crazy ideas, although i want to make sure jessica doesn't hate us to much by changing that while she is still working on the big distributed engine piece | 20:51 |
| changbl | generalize linear_flow to be graph_flow? | 20:51 |
| changbl | lol | 20:52 |
| harlowja | changbl i think u have the same crazy idea as melnikov :-P | 20:52 |
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| changbl | i have one question on concurrency though | 20:52 |
| harlowja | sure | 20:52 |
| changbl | so say I have flow1 which touches some resources, and so is flow2, and I execute them simultaneously | 20:52 |
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| harlowja | k | 20:53 |
| changbl | any way to guarantee flow1 and flow2 does not touch the same resources? | 20:53 |
| changbl | by openstack? | 20:53 |
| harlowja | not without https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StructuredWorkflowLocks | 20:53 |
| harlowja | *which doesn't exist yet | 20:53 |
| changbl | so basically there is no concurrency control yet? | 20:54 |
| harlowja | file level concurrency control | 20:54 |
| harlowja | some attempts at database level locking used for concurrency control | 20:54 |
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| harlowja | nova and cinder use a 'state' field in the DB to try to not squash themselves | 20:54 |
| harlowja | and file level locks | 20:55 |
| harlowja | caitlin56 i think has experience with the cinder one | 20:55 |
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| harlowja | *since its problematic for her i think | 20:55 |
| changbl | ok, go the DB part. still confused with the file-level one... | 20:55 |
| changbl | can you illustrate more file-level one? | 20:55 |
| harlowja | nova locks a file to make sure its simulatenously mutating a hypervisor | 20:55 |
| harlowja | *a vm i mean | 20:56 |
| harlowja | *to make sure its not simulatenously mutating a vm | 20:56 |
| changbl | ok, got it | 20:56 |
| changbl | thanks | 20:56 |
| harlowja | sure, its not ideal imho | 20:56 |
| harlowja | i was hoping for something like that above wiki, and a way for tasks to 'define' what resources they are using, and taskflow would lock them | 20:56 |
| harlowja | and unlock them | 20:57 |
| harlowja | and u could use different locking implemenations (up to the deployer) | 20:57 |
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| changbl | yes, in our TROPIC paper, we built some kind of lock manager | 20:57 |
| harlowja | ya | 20:57 |
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| harlowja | although u guys did a much more exhaustive lock analysis :-P | 20:57 |
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| changbl | :) | 20:58 |
| harlowja | in openstack, if taskflow can just attempt to do resource locks, that will be a good start, ha | 20:58 |
| harlowja | and tasks can declare what resources they will touch | 20:58 |
| changbl | borrowed some ideas from DB locking | 20:58 |
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| harlowja | ya | 20:58 |
| caitlin56 | Avoiding locks is even better, but with current DBs itmight be the only way | 20:58 |
| harlowja | so full on tropic stuff is hard i think with openstack, but something in the middle might be doable | 20:58 |
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| harlowja | so thats my thinking anyway changbl | 20:59 |
| * harlowja i did read your guys paper :) | 20:59 | |
| changbl | thanks harlowja | 20:59 |
| changbl | :) | 20:59 |
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| harlowja | ok, times up | 20:59 |
| harlowja | eck | 20:59 |
| changbl | i think it is time | 20:59 |
| harlowja | jump into #openstack-state-management if u want to talk more | 20:59 |
| harlowja | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 19 20:59:58 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-09-19-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-09-19-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-09-19-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 19 21:02:22 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:02 |
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| russellb | hello, everyone! | 21:02 |
| mriedem1 | hi | 21:02 |
| hartsocks | hey | 21:02 |
| mikal | Heya | 21:02 |
| cyeoh | hi | 21:02 |
| alaski | o/ | 21:02 |
| dripton | hi | 21:02 |
| bpb | hi | 21:02 |
| melwitt | hi | 21:02 |
| russellb | #topic havana-rc1 | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "havana-rc1 (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:03 | |
| russellb | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-rc1 | 21:03 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Havana_Release_Schedule | 21:03 |
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| russellb | so our current release goal is producing RC1 | 21:03 |
| russellb | RC1 can be released once the havana-rc1 milestone page on launchpad has everything marked as implemented | 21:04 |
| russellb | let's look at blueprints first | 21:04 |
| russellb | the blueprints are ones granted an exception | 21:04 |
| russellb | ephemeral storage encryption may need to be deferred unless it can make it in by sometime tomorrow | 21:04 |
| russellb | but it doesn't look like it's getting much review attention | 21:04 |
| russellb | any strong objections to that getting deferred if necessary? | 21:05 |
| bpb | Any review would be appreciated, and also on this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46091/ | 21:05 |
| russellb | OK | 21:06 |
| bpb | The ephereral link is here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40467/ | 21:06 |
| russellb | thanks | 21:06 |
| russellb | #help ephemeral storage encryption needs review and merging this week to make Havana | 21:06 |
| russellb | the other blueprint is really for a bug | 21:06 |
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| russellb | it has been reviewed and right now it's on me to give feedback on the direction | 21:07 |
| bpb | Russelb: That's right, and it's the higher priority | 21:07 |
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| russellb | i intend to get feedback posted tomorrow | 21:07 |
| bpb | RusselB: Thanks! | 21:07 |
| russellb | sure np | 21:07 |
| russellb | alright, on to the bug list .. | 21:08 |
| russellb | lots on the bug list, but actually only 15 not already in progress, so it's not so bad | 21:08 |
| russellb | we have more triage work to do though, 68 New bugs | 21:08 |
| russellb | need to make sure there's nothing critical in there | 21:08 |
| russellb | any comments or questions on bugs? or the rc process in general? | 21:09 |
| dripton | Are we having problems tagging bugs with keywords, or are there some keywords that need more bug triagers? | 21:09 |
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| russellb | dripton: less than 10 without tags right now i think | 21:09 |
| russellb | 6 | 21:09 |
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| mriedem1 | russellb: i was kind of wondering why this was tagged rc1? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1218593 | 21:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1218593 in nova "virt drivers should raise NotImplementedError instead of pass for plug_vifs" [Low,Triaged] | 21:10 |
| mriedem1 | i opened it, mainly for cleanup, wouldn't consider it needed for the release | 21:10 |
| russellb | no idea | 21:10 |
| russellb | let's untarget it then | 21:10 |
| mriedem1 | done | 21:10 |
| russellb | cool | 21:10 |
| russellb | for reference, you can find bug triage info starting with this page: | 21:11 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage | 21:11 |
| russellb | so basically we need some more triage, need review all the bug fixes for targeted bugs, and fix up anything else we want to make sure gets in ... | 21:11 |
| russellb | i think we're on track right now | 21:11 |
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| russellb | I don't have much else on havana status | 21:12 |
| russellb | we can discuss more in open discussion if anyone thinks of anything | 21:12 |
| russellb | #topic design summit | 21:12 |
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| russellb | just a reminder that the site for proposing sessions is open | 21:12 |
| russellb | #link http://summit.openstack.org | 21:12 |
| dansmith | I need to add at least a session to talk about upgrades and objects | 21:12 |
| dansmith | I've been putting that off | 21:12 |
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| russellb | dansmith: i put a placeholder in for "the road to live upgrades" | 21:13 |
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| dansmith | oh, cool | 21:13 |
| russellb | dansmith: would you want to do objects separately? | 21:13 |
| dansmith | I was thinking maybe we should, | 21:13 |
| russellb | fine with me | 21:13 |
| dansmith | just to talk about oslo stuff and what not | 21:13 |
| russellb | sure | 21:13 |
| russellb | i wasn't expecting to lead the live upgrades one by myself or anything | 21:13 |
| russellb | just getting it on the list | 21:13 |
| dansmith | suuure | 21:13 |
| russellb | was going to drag you and others into putting notes together for things to discuss :-) | 21:13 |
| dansmith | cool | 21:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | I added a XenAPI road map session, but still working out what other blueprints will need a look | 21:14 |
| russellb | sounds good | 21:14 |
| russellb | i'd also encourage everyone to comment on proposals if you have opinions, it lets you do that now | 21:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | stuff like pcloud stuff, I guess Phil will put that up | 21:14 |
| russellb | couple thoughts on sessions ... we had way more proposals than time slots last time and i expect that to be the case again | 21:15 |
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| russellb | we should look for cases where the topic is not controversial and could be easily covered on the mailing list | 21:15 |
| russellb | those should probably be given a lower priority | 21:15 |
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| * johnthetubaguy1 sorry, IRC keeps playing up for me | 21:16 | |
| russellb | and i think it would be good to come up with a good way to let lots of people vote on sessions so it's not largely left up to the PTL to come up with the final list | 21:16 |
| russellb | not sure the best way to gather that feedback yet | 21:16 |
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| russellb | any other design summit comments / questions? | 21:16 |
| johnthetubaguy1 | I like the wider voting | 21:17 |
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| russellb | cool | 21:17 |
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| russellb | #topic open discussion | 21:17 |
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| russellb | anything else for today? | 21:18 |
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| * dansmith makes the sound of crickets | 21:18 | |
| russellb | I'm OK with short meetings | 21:18 |
| russellb | we'll probably start having much more to cover when we get back to reviewing blueprints for the next relelase roadmap | 21:19 |
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| mriedem1 | i guess i have one thing to ask about | 21:19 |
| mriedem1 | there is some debate in the bug report on if this is a feature or not: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45072/ | 21:19 |
| mriedem1 | i think it smells like a feature though... | 21:20 |
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| russellb | yes | 21:20 |
| hartsocks | Well… I see your first problem... | 21:20 |
| hartsocks | "Provide" | 21:20 |
| russellb | and i'm a little confused (but this is my first look at it) | 21:20 |
| mriedem1 | hartsocks: yeah, the language is all wrong | 21:21 |
| mriedem1 | "seems like" | 21:21 |
| russellb | they're saying a standard URI is bad and it should be freeform? do what? | 21:21 |
| dripton | That's a feature. | 21:21 |
| russellb | but yeah i think it's a feature | 21:22 |
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| russellb | and even if we weren't in a freeze, i'm not sure i agree | 21:22 |
| russellb | i generally think we should just be using the keystone catalog for this stuff anyway | 21:22 |
| dripton | It might not be a *good* feature, but it's certainly not a bug. | 21:22 |
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| mriedem1 | yeah, i think it's a specific use case where they don't want to be tied to what nova is using to parse the URI | 21:22 |
| mriedem1 | dripton: right, even with a blueprint i don't see this moving... | 21:22 |
| russellb | well, added a -2 | 21:23 |
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| mriedem1 | russellb: dripton: thanks for the input, basically just trying to bring attention b/c i'm kind of fighting a losing battle on it | 21:23 |
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| dripton | What's the preferred way to deal with non-bug non-FFE reviews during freeze? -1 them or just ignore them? | 21:24 |
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| russellb | -1 is fine | 21:25 |
| russellb | or get someone to -2 it so it sticks | 21:25 |
| hartsocks | If I were the dev, I would prefer a −1 and a comment as to why. | 21:25 |
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| russellb | yeah, better than ignoring and having them just wonder :) | 21:25 |
| dansmith | unless the author is mriedem1 | 21:26 |
| mriedem1 | "why won't he call me back?!" | 21:26 |
| dripton | I dropped a few -1s but it felt kind of mean since they were decent patches, just at the wrong time. But I guess it should be on the dev to mark it WIP if it's during the freeze. | 21:26 |
| mriedem1 | right | 21:26 |
| mriedem1 | dansmith: remember, i didn't author the instance.fault monstrosity... | 21:26 |
| hartsocks | I've said, "This is a good patch, but −1 because…" | 21:26 |
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| dansmith | mriedem1: whatever, you have aliases | 21:27 |
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| mriedem1 | Donald_Fagen... | 21:27 |
| russellb | any other topics? | 21:27 |
| dansmith | mriedem1: good one | 21:28 |
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| russellb | k, thanks everyone! | 21:28 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 21:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 19 21:28:24 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-09-19-21.02.html | 21:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-09-19-21.02.txt | 21:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-09-19-21.02.log.html | 21:28 |
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