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NobodyCam#startmeeting Ironic19:00
NobodyCam#chair devananda19:00
NobodyCamAs always agenda for the meeting is at:19:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep 23 19:00:04 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at
NobodyCam#topic Greeting and roll-call and announcements.19:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic'19:00
openstackCurrent chairs: NobodyCam devananda19:00
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NobodyCamwhos here for the ironic meeting?19:00
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* lucasagomes very sleepy but here19:00
devanandalucasagomes: if you were still on US time, it'd barely be lunch time now :p19:01
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NobodyCamGreat to meet many of you at the seattle meetup19:01
NobodyCamshould have changed that to all but19:01
lucasagomesdevananda, haha that's the prob, I think I need at least one more day to get back on track19:01
NobodyCamQuick wrap-up from last weeks meeting: Yes romcheg and I had a good meeting last week :-p19:01
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NobodyCamI had a action item: Ask devananda to think about a Transifex project for Ironic19:01
NobodyCamdevananda any Thoughts / comments on ^^^^^19:01
devanandaI pinged clarkb about that last week and created a transifex account. AIUI, it's just a matter of him creating something for us19:02
devanandaand then a small patch to openstack-infra/config19:02
devanandaclarkb: or if I forgot something, pls let me know19:03
NobodyCamany body else ( lucasagomes )19:03
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lucasagomesgood stuff :) once it's setup I'll translate ironic to brazilian portuguese as well19:03
* NobodyCam loves small meetings19:03
devanandaalso, the transifex integration will auto-generate the .pot files for us (part of what it does).19:04
devanandaso for now we should continue to -- patches which accidentally change that file19:04
lucasagomescan that be blocked automatically?19:04
NobodyCam#action Reviewers will -1 patches that touch the .pot file19:04
NobodyCamcan we remove this file19:05
devanandalet me check other projects real quick. we might be able to19:05
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NobodyCamwhile deva does that19:06
NobodyCamHong Kong design summit: `Your Papers Please!`19:06
NobodyCamWe have three! Submit yours here:19:06
lucasagomesNobodyCam, +1 yea will do19:07
linggaoHi NobodyCam, I am trying to figure our what belong to Ironic and what to Tuskar,19:08
NobodyCamshould we move on? and come back to the .pot file19:08
NobodyCamI linggao19:08
linggaoFor example, hardware discovery.19:08
devanandadoesn't look like it's in the .gitignore of other projects at all19:08
NobodyCamlinggao: we do have a story for that19:09
devanandalinggao: there's a section for open questions at the end of the meeting.19:09
NobodyCamthat may be best handled not in this meeting19:09
NobodyCamor there too! :)19:09
linggaooh, I thought you are talking about sumit papers.19:09
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NobodyCamI posted that while deva was looking up  stuff19:10
devanandalinggao: oh! gotcha. I thought you meant code wise :)19:10
lucasagomeslinggao, dicovery is Ironic... tuskar is more about modeling ur deployment using a high abstraction19:10
NobodyCamwe can for sure talk about papers19:10
devanandalinggao: if you have a specific topic in mind, please mention it either here or on the ML, and we can help figure out which track it is best suited for19:10
lucasagomesand also they will offer a nice ui (extension to horizon) to deploy baremetal19:10
linggaoyes, I was thinking about automatically discover the bearemetal nodes, and put them in the database.19:11
devanandalinggao: hardware discovery falls into both ironic and tuskar but in different ways19:11
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devanandalinggao: ironic will need to provide some API for hardware interrogation, eg. via IPMI or a bootable ramdisk, but ironic stops there. it's _just_ the API.19:12
devanandalinggao: tuskar (or something else?) could then model that data and do something with it (eg, display it, or make scheduling decisions, etc)19:12
devanandadoes that help?19:12
lucasagomessounds correct to me19:13
NobodyCamoh the web we weave19:13
linggaothanks devananda for the clarification.19:13
NobodyCamgo to move on?19:13
lucasagomesy for me19:14
NobodyCam#topic Testing19:14
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NobodyCamh thats me.19:14
NobodyCamTripleO is making changes to the heat templates so some of the patches will19:14
NobodyCamundergo changes to conform to the changes. I will stay on top of the current patches.19:14
NobodyCamWe do howerver have a working walk through that will install Ironic and the Ironic cli client19:14
NobodyCamon the tripleO undercloud image. see19:14
NobodyCamon how to info.19:14
NobodyCamhas anyone looked over the new walk thru19:14
devanandaI got up to starting the undercloud VM on saturday19:15
devanandabut ran into problems with missing ENV vars taht weren't in either doc19:15
NobodyCam?? which ones19:15
devanandanot in our wiki, and not tripleo/devtest19:15
NobodyCamwhich env var19:15
* devananda restarts seed VM ...19:16
NobodyCamdo you recall19:16
devanandathese VMs don't like to hibernate19:16
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linggaoI have a question on testing.19:16
NobodyCamI will run thru again today19:16
NobodyCamshoot linggao19:16
lucasagomesin order to make things easier should we use a seed vm to bootup our undercloud? wouldn't be easy to create an undercloud straight away?19:16
lucasagomesundercloud vm*19:17
linggaoone of the veiw I got says that I should use mock instead of mox because openstack is moving to mox.19:17
NobodyCamthats a tuff question19:17
NobodyCamyes and not19:17
linggaocan anyone expalin this?19:17
devanandalinggao: sure19:17
NobodyCamthe undercloud is the first real cloud19:17
devanandalinggao: mox is not python3 compatible, and there is a directive for all of openstack to move towards py3 compatibility19:17
NobodyCameverything in seed is faked19:18
devanandalinggao: right now, ironic's unit test suite is a mixture of mox (inherited from Nova and other projects) and mock (new code).19:18
lucasagomesNobodyCam, right... but still, I mean for testing we don't really need to launch a seed vm, we can just start with a undercloud in a virtual machine and from that we can deploy the overcloud19:18
devanandalinggao: we're moving towards all the unit tests being done with mock19:18
lucasagomesit would save some time + memory19:19
devanandalucasagomes: except "undercloud" requires a working cloud init, and it is configured via Heat in the seed cloud19:19
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NobodyCamdevananda: ++19:19
linggaodevananda, I see. I will change it to mock then. It is a lot of changes. ouch.19:19
devanandalucasagomes: what you're really proposing is taht we merge ironic into the seed VM19:19
lucasagomesdevananda, kinda yea... I mean we still can fake the cloud init thing adding a json on the /var/.../heat-cfn directory no?19:20
NobodyCamwe can do that19:20
NobodyCamironic currently can not actually deploy thou19:21
NobodyCamvotes for working ironic into seed?19:22
lucasagomeswell I'd go for it at least while ironic can't deploy an image19:22
NobodyCamim actually gong to vote -1 at least untill we have a working ironic19:23
lucasagomesjust to make it easier for people to get ironic-api/conductor/database etc working and develop on it19:23
devanandalinggao: I'd like to see native-ipmi landed before the summit so folks can start playing with it then19:23
devanandalinggao: if moving it to mock is going to prevent that, please let me know19:23
dkehnI would vote, I think the ultimate issue would be simplicity19:23
NobodyCamlucasagomes: I use seed to create and distroy my test undercloud19:24
NobodyCami think that actualy saves time19:24
devanandaNobodyCam: I would still prefer ironic in the undercloud for now so we can do AB testing with nova-baremetal19:24
devanandalucasagomes: ^19:24
NobodyCamI just load the new image into glance anfire away19:24
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devanandamy plan for testing deployments of ironic is to use the undercloud layer, and run two underclouds -- one nova-bm and one ironic19:24
devanandaso that I can do A/B testing and develop a migration script19:25
linggaodevananda, I need to learn mock.  I'd be really happy if we can let it go throgh and I'll make next feature mock compatable.19:25
lucasagomesright... yea well we still have devtest if all u want is to setup a quicker dev environment19:25
devanandalucasagomes: you mean devstack?19:25
lucasagomesdevananda, yes sorry19:25
NobodyCamthats there19:25
* lucasagomes slaps his own face :P19:26
devanandaNobodyCam: thoughts on accepting the native-ipmi driver with mox for now, so the code lands and can be worked on, then migrating it to mock for py3 compat later?19:26
NobodyCamdevananda: sure we there is a TODO to replace with mock19:27
devanandaI'm fine with this ^, fwiw. add'l tech debt is not ideal, but keeping functionality out of trunk right now is not good for speed19:27
linggaothanks everyone :)19:27
NobodyCamty linggao :)19:28
devanandalinggao: I'll open a bug about mox->mock for ipmi-natie and assign to you :)19:28
NobodyCamany thing else on testing?19:28
lucasagomesmaybe we can suggest openstack-infra also to only accept libs that are compatible with py3 from now on19:28
linggaodevananda, sure, I like bugs :)19:28
NobodyCamthere is a py3 gate job19:28
lucasagomesor maybe they r already doing that, idk19:28
NobodyCamo moving on...19:29
NobodyCam#topic in-progress tasks19:29
NobodyCam41976 Abandoned???19:29
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NobodyCamno yuriy today19:29
lucasagomesyea :/19:30
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NobodyCamshould be be looking at picking up on that patch?19:30
NobodyCamI don't want to step on any toes but we do kninda need that... don't we?19:31
lucasagomeshmm let's see if he will reopen it19:31
lucasagomeswe can ping him tomorrow19:31
lucasagomesand see, if we get no answers19:31
lucasagomesthen we do it19:31
devanandaIn the f2f meetings last week, I seem to have overlooked the discussion that happened on that patch19:32
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NobodyCamthats just it nothing has happened19:32
devanandaNobodyCam: he proposed changing the signature of VendorInterface.validate() to return (bool, bool)19:32
devanandainstead of just (bool)19:32
devanandaI agree with Lucas' -1 on that19:33
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lucasagomesyea IMO should use an exception there19:33
lucasagomeslike here19:33
NobodyCamya.. we were going to talk about that and just havent had the chance to hook up19:33
lucasagomesinstead of having this async_continue variable there, we should just except one exception and then it means that the validation failed19:34
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NobodyCamlucasagomes: +119:34
devanandalucasagomes: i think the point is, how to determine whether to make a cast() after the call returns19:34
lucasagomesdevananda, if validation pass do a cast, if it fails (exception raised) do not do it19:35
NobodyCamif validation passes then make the cast19:35
NobodyCamlucasagomes: :-p19:35
devanandaexcept someetimes, you only want to call19:35
devanandaeven when it doesn't raise an exception19:35
devanandalet's pick that one up after the meeting :)19:36
NobodyCamonly = dont ???19:36
NobodyCamwe really at fft so.19:36
NobodyCam#topic Food For Thought / Open Discussion19:37
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devananda#action devananda to dive into review 41976 (pass_vendor_info)19:37
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lucasagomesalready fft?19:37
lucasagomeso wow19:37
devanandaNobodyCam: we skipped the API discussion -- and I think there's some things to cover there19:37
NobodyCamhow about a wrap up of the f2f devananda and lucasagomes had on friday19:37
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NobodyCamgah I did19:38
romcheg_Do you still have Ironic meeting?19:38
lucasagomesromcheg_, welcome :)19:38
devanandaromcheg_: welcome :)19:38
romcheg_Hi then :)19:38
NobodyCam#topic API discussion19:38
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NobodyCamwelcome romcheg_19:39
romcheg_sorry, got asleep19:39
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1227431 in ironic "API request to list resources should return only minimal data" [High,In progress]19:39
devanandalucasagomes: you beat me to it - i was just about to paste that :p19:39
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1227928 in ironic "API collection not named based on resource type" [High,Fix committed]19:39
lucasagomesdevananda, :D19:39
lucasagomesso that's two bugs we opened on Friday regarding the API19:40
lucasagomesthe 1227928 is already fixed/merged19:40
romcheg_anyway, I'm on my smartphone today, the laptop died, so ask questions, if you have any19:40
devanandaright, so lucas and I talked on friday about some API issues which, btw, became really easy to spot now that NobodyCam's dib/heat templates are working and I have a running ironic service :)19:40
lucasagomesI'm working on the 1227431, I hope I will fix that tomorrow19:40
NobodyCamromcheg_: lucasagomes  and devananda found some instrstering bugs on friday19:41
romcheg_NobodyCam: will take a look at them19:41
devanandaromcheg_: tl;dr; from the first 1/2 of meeting -- transifex stuff is in progress, waiting on clarkb for a few changes in infra/config19:41
lucasagomesdevananda, another thing about the 1227431... the "minimal data" also returns links to the resource itself:
romcheg_NobodyCam: that's great!19:42
romcheg_looking forward to start translating19:42
NobodyCamromcheg_: links are in the scroll back and also on the agenda page too19:42
devanandalucasagomes: ah! so it does19:42
lucasagomesyup :)19:43
lucasagomesthe links for the sub resources will only be retrieved with the /details19:43
devanandalucasagomes: right. or to /nodes/{uuid}19:44
lucasagomesyup yea19:44
devanandasounds good19:44
lucasagomesnodes/{uuid} always returns the full document19:44
devanandashall we move on to fft?19:44
NobodyCam#topic Food For Thought / Open Discussion19:45
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NobodyCamI will on and off line of the next several day moving to cal19:45
romcheg_I almost finished my work with tempest19:45
lucasagomesdevananda, NobodyCam: that's the deploy ramdisk you guys talked about on seattle?
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lucasagomesdiscovery ramdisk*19:46
devanandaromcheg_: how is tempest testing ironic at this point? (it can't do a full deploy yet...)19:46
devanandalucasagomes: that looks like ruby??19:46
romcheg_devananda: now I only did some API tests19:46
NobodyCamalso wanted to thank lucasagomes for the working ironic command line cli!!!19:46
NobodyCamgo show chassis19:46
lucasagomesdevananda, yea it's ruby19:46
lucasagomesso might not be it hehe19:47
romcheg_that's a good question, how should we test deployment19:47
devanandaromcheg_: ah! framework is great at this stage -- we'll add more as more is possible :)19:47
romcheg_we need some hardware for that19:47
lucasagomesNobodyCam, :) will add more things to the cli/lib once I get the api more established19:47
devanandaromcheg_: there are some folks already working on testing tripleo deployment, both in VM and on hardware. you should talk with them19:47
romcheg_some hardware on Infra's side19:47
NobodyCamalso going to add a top level section to the meeting for client stuff19:48
devanandaromcheg_: IIRC, it's pleia2 and dprince working on TOCI and the -infra side of tripleo19:48
romcheg_thanks devananda19:49
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NobodyCamand my last tid bit :19:49
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NobodyCamits our Java driver19:49
devanandalucasagomes: foreman is definitely _not_ what I was referring to w.r.t. a ramdisk agent19:49
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lucasagomesdevananda,  :D19:50
lucasagomesdo you have the link to the right one?19:50
devanandalucasagomes: nope. haven't found it but still looking19:50
devanandahere's a quick brain-storm on other FFT ideas....19:50
lucasagomesI just did a small search about it and bumped into that one, so I thought: "well maybe"19:50
NobodyCamlucasagomes: the link we were looking for was an example19:50
devanandanova-baremetal -> ironic: incrememtal code migration? No. New driver? Yes. ++ a migration script.19:50
NobodyCamwe will need to create it?19:51
devanandaNeutron patches for dynamic DHCP ports -- will require some changes to our PXE driver and start-up scripts (eg, no more local dnsmasq).19:51
devanandaaim to do ^ during I-1 or no later than I-219:51
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NobodyCamghe seems to be on holiday19:52
devanandamodels instead of migrations? I don't understand why we'd do taht when all other projects are using migrations19:52
devanandainform node of ironic API URL? yea. those all look reasonable :)19:52
NobodyCamthat was the general feeling... I'll remove that one19:52
lucasagomesI think jog0 had a good argument to keep migrations ^19:53
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devanandamore than 1 conductor? yep. that's part of our HA story and one reason we broke out of Nova19:53
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devanandait's probably worth a design session jsut for the more-than-one-conductor story19:53
NobodyCamoh you mean:19:53
NobodyCamHong Kong design summit: `Your Papers Please!`19:53
NobodyCamWe have three! Submit yours here:19:53
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devananda#action devananda to propose dev session for more-than-one-conductor19:54
NobodyCamw00t that would be 419:54
devananda[end brain storm]19:55
NobodyCamany thing else?19:55
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NobodyCamshould we let romcheg_ and lucasagomes get some sleep19:55
NobodyCamthank you all great meeting19:55
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devanandacheers! thanks everyone19:56
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openstackMinutes (text):
NobodyCamthank you linggao too19:56
openstackNobodyCam: Error: "!!" is not a valid command.19:56
linggaothanks evryone.19:56
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SpamapS#meeting TripleO20:01
SpamapS#startmeeting TripleO20:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep 23 20:01:55 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SpamapS. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:01
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SpamapS#topic roll call!20:02
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rushiagrnew guy here20:03
SpamapS#topic bugs20:04
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SpamapSFor those who weren't in Seattle, we did go over bugs briefly while in the room.20:05
SpamapSthe end result: hey we have a lot of bugs!20:05
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SpamapSthe Critical bugs are all blocked on needing more data or some other external issues, so focus should be on High bugs.20:06
SpamapSthere was also a desire to perhaps set some short term goals to finish before the havana release of OpenStack, so that TripleO has something to show off at that time.20:07
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SpamapSSince there are so many, does anybody have specific ones they'd like to bring up?20:08
slagleare we going to have havana branches in the seperate repos, so that we can work torwards something stable?20:09
SpamapSIf we were going to do that I think we'd have needed to do that through the cycle.20:09
SpamapSThe interfaces should be stable in all of the component pieces.20:10
SpamapSincubator is a moving target by definition20:10
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slagleok. i'm just concerned about new stuff going in that breaks the stable-ness20:10
SpamapSslagle: we have a policy of never breaking the interfaces.20:10
SpamapSso breaking the interfaces means reverting immediately.20:10
SpamapShence no desire to "freeze"20:11
SpamapSOf course, we'll all feel a lot more confident about that when all of the pieces are functionally tested in the gate. :)20:11
SpamapSanyway, no specific bugs, so we'll move on.20:12
SpamapS#topic Grizzly test rack status20:13
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SpamapSno change AFAIK20:13
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SpamapS#topic CI virtualized testing progress20:13
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SpamapSpleia2: you here today?20:14
SpamapSWe hit a wall with lxc last week at the sprint. It appears that there are deep problems using iscsi from inside LXC containers.20:14
SpamapSanyway, I don't think there is much more to say there.20:15
SpamapS#topic open discussion20:15
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ccrouchare there specific upstream bugs around the LXC + iscsi stuff?20:16
SpamapSccrouch: we dug them out, but I think pleia2 has them in her notes.20:16
SpamapSccrouch: I was mostly just chatting with the LXC authors20:16
SpamapSthere are multiple reasons it is problematic20:16
SpamapSnetlink socket is used to talk to the control portion of the kernel, and that is not namespaced. probably some other bits inside iscsi that would need to be made namespace aware since they make outgoing connections.20:17
lifelessI mailed the openstack-infra list last night about the new plan20:17
lifeless'Plan for testing nova baremetal and TripleO20:18
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ccrouchSpamapS: ok great, sounds like its moving along20:19
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SpamapSccrouch: you do remind me though that we should consider tracking those bugs so that we can return to the issue when they're addressed (and/or put resources on them if none are available)20:19
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lifelessSo once we get buy-in from infra-core on that, we'll have a few things folk can push on in parallel.20:19
SpamapSjust to bring this up.. I thought the sprint was extremely successful in moving the community forward on the tripleo program.20:20
ccrouchi've heard nothing but good things about it :-)20:21
SpamapSBumps and bruises and cleared /dev trees aside, we all got things done through the week. :)20:21
dprincelifeless: is there a public diagram that shows the proposed CI workflow in a bit more detail?20:21
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dprincelifeless: if not should we make one?20:21
slagleSpamapS: agreed, thanks for hosting :)20:22
lifelessdprince: just the prose in the etherpad; turning that into a dia or whatever sounds good20:22
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SpamapSAlright well if there's nothing else...20:25
lifelessTuskar have said they want to move ahead on the merge20:25
lifelessso perhaps we should add sections for tuskar-api and tuskar-ui to the meeting agenda I think20:25
lifelessor review how we structure the agenda20:25
lifeless[Lynne has C now, so I'm more here]20:25
SpamapSOh definitely I wasn't aware of that. :)20:25
ccrouchSpamapS: did we propose the meeting time change? apologies if i missed that, I joined late20:26
SpamapSwe did not20:26
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SpamapSIIRC some people wanted to move the meeting back to 19:00 UTC?20:26
lifelessthe proposal from the face to face meeting was to use the current tuskar slot20:26
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lifelesswhich is 23h later than this one, so slightly friendlier to east europeans20:27
SpamapSwell then I propose we all attend that meeting tomorrow, and discuss there?20:27
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SpamapSand add that to the agenda20:28
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SpamapSOk I've added it to the agenda
SpamapSWith that, I think we can adjourn.20:29
SpamapSthanks everyone!20:29
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arosenarmax:  suppppp?20:58
* mestery broke up the VMware 3-peat there. :)20:58
armaxarosen: long time no see20:58
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SumitNaiksatamhi all!21:01
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markmcclain#startmeeting Networking21:04
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep 23 21:04:07 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:04
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking'21:04
markmcclain#topic Announcements21:04
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markmcclainThe release candidate will be cut soon21:05
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garykhi, sorry for being late21:05
garykwhen will the rc be cut?21:05
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markmcclainI'm hoping for late this week21:06
garykok, thanks21:06
salv-orlandogreat, it's almost over then21:06
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markmcclainAt this point in time we should be focusing on release critical bugs21:07
* salv-orlando is undecided whether to feel scared or relieved21:07
salv-orlandolike 121915?21:07
markmcclainwhich leads us into our next topic21:07
markmcclain#topic Bugs21:07
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markmcclaincurrent we three critical open bugs21:08
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1211915 in neutron "Connection to neutron failed: Maximum attempts reached" [Critical,Confirmed]21:08
markmcclainmarun was working on this one21:08
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markmcclainhe's off today, so I'll follow up with him we he returns21:09
markmcclainthis bug started popping up again in the gate recently21:09
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markmcclainWe've also have this one:21:09
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1227091 in neutron "ml2 fails to bind lbaas VIP" [Critical,In progress]21:09
markmcclaingongysh is working on it21:09
markmcclainand this one:21:09
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1229394 in neutron "VPN Migration does not specify correct plugin" [Critical,In progress]21:09
markmcclainsalv-orlando: is working on the last one21:09
markmcclainany other critical bugs the team needs to know about?21:10
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markmcclainAny other bugs the team needs to discuss?21:11
salv-orlandoFrom my side, all the bugs I would really see merged for RC1 already already on gerrit21:12
armaxnot sure if we want to cover bug #122873521:12
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1228735 in neutron "add lockmode to neutron context" [Undecided,In progress]
salv-orlandobut I'm not sure about the bug for removing auto-schema generation21:12
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markmcclainsalv-orlando: think auto-removal to is too risky?21:13
salv-orlandoit has a dependency on puppet-openstack otherwise smokestack will fail21:13
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salv-orlandoI pushed the patch into neutron-puppet but I'm not sure if it will make it in time21:14
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markmcclainok.. smokestack shouldn't be blocking the gate21:14
salv-orlandoit votes on the check chain21:14
markmcclainright it will vote on a check21:14
markmcclainbut not a verify21:14
salv-orlandoIdk if it's ok to approve a patch down voted by smokestack21:15
markmcclainmy understanding is that is ok21:15
salv-orlandoalso, then smokestack will start to -1 every patch which uses neutron if we merge this change21:15
markmcclainI'll confirm the situation with infra21:15
markmcclainarmax: you proposed a patch
salv-orlandomarkmcclain: this is a pointer to the puppet patch
markmcclainthis adds lockmode support on the context21:16
markmcclainmy only concern is that lockmodes have slightly different behaviors across the database backends21:16
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armaxto some degree that is already handled by sqlalchemy21:17
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armaxin that, for instance, select for update is ignored for sqlite db backends21:17
markmcclainI thought we have still seen reports on differences between mysql and postgres21:17
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markmcclainsqlite has lots of consistency issues so we'll ignore for now21:18
emaganasorry, I am late.. bad jet lag..  :-)21:18
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armaxthat said, having the context expose the functionality or calling sqlalchemy directly with a specified lock mode makes no actual difference21:18
armaxas far as db abstraction is concerned21:18
armaxunderlying details are leaked regardless21:18
armaxbut I see what you mean21:18
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markmcclainI do think this change has merit21:20
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armaxI am ok if  the change needs to churn a little more21:20
armaxI have cycles to shepherd it into a RC21:20
salv-orlandohow frequent and serious is the bug it tries to solve21:20
salv-orlandoI think I've seen it in the past - it was rather infrequent and most importantly non critical (i.e.: nothing crashed)21:21
armaxwell the race condition I was trying to address is there21:21
markmcclainthis is the race:
salv-orlandosorry, I was referring to the race condition bug of course21:21
armaxI have never seen it in practice without staging it21:22
salv-orlandoarosen: is that the one we've been sporadically seeing in the past?21:22
salv-orlandoit looks the same to me21:22
arosenyea i think so.21:22
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armaxthat said there are other places in the db_plugin where we lock for update21:22
SumitNaiksatamkevin, who created the bug was able to reproduce it consistently21:23
markmcclainok.. let's review the patches21:23
markmcclainI'll track them as possible inclusion into the RC21:23
salv-orlandoI was trying to make a simpler point. If the bug is not critical, and we don't have strong consensus behind current approach, defer21:23
salv-orlandobut let's move discussion to gerrit21:24
markmcclainmy feeling is that these will help and at worst they won't make the probably any worse21:24
salv-orlandomarkmcclain: agreed21:25
salv-orlandoI don't feel super happy about adding lock_mode to context, but I am not either opposed to that21:25
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markmcclainok.. I'll track them and we can discuss in gerrit21:27
markmcclainany other bugs?21:27
armaxI'm good21:27
markmcclain#topic API Docs21:27
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salv-orlandobugs for all the extension have been added21:28
salv-orlandoI am reviewing the FWaaS docs, hopefully we should merge them soon21:28
salv-orlandoWe need takers for 3 bugs21:28
markmcclaindkehn: can you help with the Extra DHCP api docs?21:28
salv-orlandobug #122938421:28
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1229384 in openstack-api-site "Document neutron allowed-address-pairs extension" [Medium,Confirmed]
salv-orlandobug 122628021:28
dkehnmarkmcclain, yes I can21:28
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1226280 in openstack-api-site "Neutron API: Extra DHCP opts extension" [Undecided,New]
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markmcclaindkehn: thanks21:29
salv-orlandobug 122938921:29
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1229389 in openstack-api-site "Document Neutron metering extension" [Undecided,New]
salv-orlandoso 1226280 is taken21:29
dkehnmarkmcclain, I'll talk to you later for what that means and were to put them21:29
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markmcclaindkehn: salv-orlando can help you too21:29
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markmcclain1229384 I thought arosen was working on that one21:30
salv-orlandoarosen: can you confirm you can take that bug?21:30
arosenYea, i;ll post the patch shortly. Sorry got caught up with some other stuff last week.21:30
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arosensorry again for the delay....21:30
markmcclainarosen: we're still pre-RC so you're good21:31
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markmcclainsalv-orlando we can work offline to find an assignee for the metering API docs unless someone here wants it21:31
salv-orlandomarkmcclain: let's take it offline21:32
markmcclainthanks for ensuring we didn't miss any of the ext api docs21:33
markmcclainanything else?21:33
salv-orlandothat is all21:33
amotokithere are changes in l3 (service plugin) and agent scheduler extension. i will file them as bugs and take them.21:33
markmcclainamotoki: great.. thanks21:33
salv-orlandoare they API changes?21:33
amotokiAFAIK, there are no change in API but extension names are changed.21:34
amotokithe main goal is to check them.21:34
salv-orlandoright. good point.21:34
markmcclain#topic docs21:36
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markmcclainemagana: hi21:36
emaganaI was away for a week, but I am seeing ML2 discussions are going on (rkukura) and also that the FWaaS was merged (snaiksatam)21:36
rkukurafiled bug 1229237 for ml2 config reference, will file a few more now that consolidation merged21:36
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1229237 in openstack-manuals "Update configuration reference for neutron ml2 plugin" [Undecided,New]
emaganasame status for metering docs than for API, we need to document it21:36
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1202967 in openstack-manuals "Add Neutron l3 metering agent" [Medium,Confirmed]21:37
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markmcclainok.. let's work offline to get a taker for it21:37
markmcclainI know you've been gone… anything else?21:37
emaganamarkmcclain: I also read the latest neutron guide and there are few things that dont make sense for Havana21:38
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emaganamarkmcclain: I will file bugs for that and fix them by myself21:38
markmcclainemagana: this is the recently merged guide?21:38
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salv-orlandoa dumb question on docs from me: shall we push changes to openstack-cloud-admin, openstack-network-admin or both?21:39
emaganamarkmcclain: no, the one before.21:39
annegentlesalv-orlando: the openstack-network-admin got deleted in a merge today21:39
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annegentlesalv-orlando: everything found happy new homes21:40
emaganamarkmcclain: I will do a review on the merged one to validate changes21:40
salv-orlandoannegentle: thanks. I think Diane tried to explain that to me… but as I said, sometimes I just unplug my brain21:40
annegentlesalv-orlando: hee21:40
markmcclainAny other doc items?21:41
SumitNaiksatamthanks to the admin doc project members who reviewed the FWaaS admin doc (if they are here)! nice feedback and turnaround in the past one week towards getting patch merged!!21:41
emagananothing from me!  just Thank Anne, Diane and everybody involved on the new guide!21:43
markmcclainyeah.. I'm happy the new guide has become a reality21:43
markmcclain#topic FWaaS21:43
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markmcclainDuring reviews something as bubbled up that got missed early on21:44
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markmcclainfirewall are current per tenant and not per router21:44
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: thats per documented design all along21:44
salv-orlandomarkmcclain: that was pointed out in review21:45
salv-orlandoSumit has all the answers21:45
markmcclainright.. just wanted to make sure folks are aware of this21:45
markmcclainbecause I know it has caught more than a few folks by surprise21:45
salv-orlandomarkmcclain: the plan, as I've been told, is to have a concept of zones as l3 domain groupings21:46
salv-orlandobut this was obviously not in Havana plans21:46
SumitNaiksatambtw, this is not a constraint of the API21:46
SumitNaiksatamor the resource model21:46
SumitNaiksatamthis is a constraint of the reference implementation (moreso the agent/driver)21:46
SumitNaiksatamthat said, this also needs service insertion framework support21:47
SumitNaiksatamso yes, this was not part of the Havana plans21:47
markmcclainok.. just need to make sure we're consistent on messaging21:47
salv-orlandoSo is the VPN service doing something wrong by binding to a routeR?21:47
markmcclainsince the VPNaaS is per router21:47
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SumitNaiksatamthe right model is to support service insertion21:48
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: we will make sure that this is documented21:48
SumitNaiksatamin the context of the firewall reference implementation21:49
amotokiSumitNaiksatam: agree21:49
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SumitNaiksatamamotoki: thanks, i hope it addresses your concern that you pointed on the bug21:49
SumitNaiksatamthe bug and fix was created to address your concern21:50
amotokithanks. my only concern was there seems a few consensus about it.21:50
amotokinow we all seem to be in the page.21:51
markmcclainlong term we'll revisit the one firewall per tenant concept21:51
salv-orlandomakes sense21:51
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: yeah, this is certainly not a long term goal21:51
markmcclainso documenting that this is a Havana restriction works21:52
markmcclain#topic Horizon21:52
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markmcclainlooks like the Horizon UI update is still needs for testing?21:53
markmcclainhow confident are we that it will land?21:53
amotokiSumitNaiksatam: thanks for testing. i am not why you failed to create a firewall.21:53
SumitNaiksatamamotoki: yeah, may not be an issue with your patch21:53
SumitNaiksatamhowever my setup worked without your patch21:54
amotokii will file it as a bug to clarify its priority and discuss with other horizon cores in tomorrow meeting.21:54
dkehnhave to bail, will check the log21:54
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amotokiSumitNaiksatam: hmm.... i will rebase a patch and let you know.21:55
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amotokithanks for your help. Input from FWaaS team is important.21:55
SumitNaiksatamamotoki: thanks21:55
amotokithere is another topic. enikanorov is working on adding provider support in lbaas.21:55
markmcclainamotoki: will that be granted an exception?21:56
amotokiit is just a small change and i already discussed in the meeting last week.21:56
amotokiit is handled as a bug.21:56
amotokiall from me.21:57
markmcclainamotoki: thanks for the update21:57
markmcclain#topic Deprecation21:57
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markmcclainThe ML2 team has been busy ensuring feature parity with the existing OVS and linuxbridge plugins21:57
markmcclainWe've discussed deprecating the monolithic OVS and linuxbridge plugins before.21:58
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markmcclainThe plan would be to release Havana with a note indicating that the OVS and linuxbridge plugins are deprecated and that new deployments should use ML221:59
amotokido we need to clarify how to migrate from OVS/linuxbridge to ML2 before Havana release?21:59
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mesteryamotoki: I think that seems like a reasonable thing to do, yes.22:00
markmcclainThe code for the plugins would still be in the tree22:00
markmcclainso we have a little bit of time to clarify the migration to ML2.22:00
amotokii think so too.22:00
markmcclainThe deprecation warning just allows us to remove the code in Icehouse22:01
markmcclainNOTE: we won22:01
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markmcclainwe won't actually remove the code until to mid-to-late Icehouse22:01
markmcclainthoughts or concerns?22:02
rkukuramakes sense to me22:02
emaganamarkmcclain: sounds like a good plan, so the warning will be in the code itself? or documentation? I think in both, right?22:02
mesteryThe plan makes sense to me as well.22:03
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emaganamarkmcclain: Perfect!22:03
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markmcclainOk.. I send out an email to the ML to warn of the impending change22:04
markmcclain#topic Open Discussion22:04
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markmcclainWe're a little late on time.. any items that need to brought up?22:05
roaetmarkmcclain: I'd like to talk about IPAM offline22:05
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amotokijust a quesiton. does anyone usually test with postgresql? We sometimes have bugs related to postgres.22:05
markmcclainamotoki: I believe smokestack will run against postgres22:06
arosenI have once :)22:06
markmcclainif you're finding bugs please file them22:06
markmcclainmost of the time they're small simple fixes22:06
salv-orlandomarkmcclain: from what I gathered today smokestack uses postgres if you're not running neutron22:06
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markmcclainroaet: we'll have to talk a bit later as I have to head out right after this22:08
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roaetmarkmcclain: absolutely, whenever you're available22:09
roaetthank you22:09
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markmcclainAll… I'm happy that the docs are progressing very well and our RC will be cut sometime late this week or next Monday.22:10
markmcclainHave a good rest of the week.22:10
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