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| sdague | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 26 17:00:06 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdague. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| sdague | hey, who's around for the QA meeting? | 17:00 |
| dkranz | Hi | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | o/ | 17:00 |
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| sdague | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting | 17:00 |
| sdague | agenda listed in the link | 17:00 |
| sdague | #topic Blueprints (sdague) | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints (sdague) (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:01 | |
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| kwhitney | Hi | 17:01 |
| sdague | I need to do some blueprint clean up tonight, I'll do that once I ride my bike home. Try to get things to reflect reality | 17:01 |
| sdague | anyone want to provide updates for open blueprints (beyond the 2 special ones listed in the agenda) | 17:02 |
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| mkoderer | Hi sorry I am late | 17:02 |
| sdague | no worries | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | sdague: how many targeted open blueprints do we have for H | 17:02 |
| sdague | mtreinish: too many | 17:02 |
| dkranz | sdague: I should check the status of client-lib stability | 17:03 |
| dkranz | sdague: It is a tempest blueprint but the work is being done by mordred | 17:03 |
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| sdague | yeh, that actually caused a really interesting issue with the cliff gate break | 17:03 |
| sdague | because of neutron client renaming | 17:03 |
| dkranz | sdague: It was waiting for reviews last I looked | 17:03 |
| sdague | so we're actually testing old servers with new clients | 17:04 |
| sdague | on stable branches | 17:04 |
| dkranz | sdague: I guess the code merged then :) | 17:04 |
| mordred | I didn't do it | 17:04 |
| mordred | oh - wait - yeah, I'm working on that and am almost there | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | sdague: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/havana it doesn't look like that many (that are not implemented) | 17:04 |
| sdague | mordred: well, I think at some point the defaults changed | 17:04 |
| dkranz | mordred: Yes, that was what I was referencing | 17:04 |
| mordred | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41945/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41931/ | 17:05 |
| sdague | mtreinish: ok, well I'd try to get us cleaned up anyway | 17:05 |
| mordred | for anyone following along at home | 17:05 |
| dkranz | mordred: Yes. What is needed to push that through? | 17:05 |
| sdague | and adding targets for icehouse, so we can start thinking about that | 17:05 |
| mordred | dkranz: I just need to get infra folks to re-review the first one | 17:05 |
| dkranz | mordred: OK, cool | 17:06 |
| sdague | mordred: great | 17:06 |
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| sdague | ok, next up | 17:06 |
| sdague | #topic Bogus errors in logs (dkranz) | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bogus errors in logs (dkranz) (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:06 | |
| dkranz | sdague: So I am going to create a blueprint for this | 17:07 |
| sdague | and mlavalle let me know if you are here for the next topic | 17:07 |
| sdague | dkranz: great | 17:07 |
| dkranz | I filed some bugs with a few more to go tagged as error-in-logs | 17:07 |
| mlavalle | sdague: I am | 17:07 |
| dkranz | sdague: I think we should put the whitelist check in tempest code repo so we can update it easily | 17:07 |
| sdague | dkranz: agreed | 17:08 |
| dkranz | sdague: As part of the tox job | 17:08 |
| sdague | I was actually going to start in on stubbing that after the meeting | 17:08 |
| dkranz | sdague: I'm a little worried about flaky log fails once we do this | 17:08 |
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| dkranz | The current flakiness is bad already | 17:08 |
| sdague | well, we can run in a non blocking way to begin with | 17:08 |
| sdague | and figure out how bad it would be, logstash actually makes that easy | 17:09 |
| dkranz | sdague: Yeah, that's a good idea | 17:09 |
| * sdague <3 logstash | 17:09 | |
| sdague | I actually need to con clarkb into adding it to devstack :) | 17:09 |
| dkranz | sdague: I'm not sure how we can report the log failures but not fail the build in a good way | 17:10 |
| sdague | dkranz: ok, let me know as soon as you get the blueprint filed and stubbed | 17:10 |
| dkranz | sdague: Can we post a review comment | 17:10 |
| dkranz | sdague: Will do | 17:10 |
| sdague | dkranz: so to begin with we can just print out content as part of the tempest run | 17:10 |
| sdague | then use logstash to figure out how often we'd have broken | 17:10 |
| sdague | eventually we're going to need to hard fail on this | 17:10 |
| dkranz | sdague: OK. | 17:10 |
| sdague | but we can figure that out later | 17:10 |
| dkranz | sdague: Agreed. | 17:10 |
| sdague | there is plenty of plumbing code regardless. | 17:11 |
| dkranz | sdague: I'll put some work items in the blueprint | 17:11 |
| sdague | sounds good | 17:11 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I think that's it for this topic | 17:11 |
| sdague | dkranz: are you getting reasonable uptake by projects on the bugs? | 17:11 |
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| sdague | dkranz: great | 17:11 |
| sdague | ok, next topic | 17:12 |
| sdague | #topic neutron testing status (mlavalle) | 17:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "neutron testing status (mlavalle) (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:12 | |
| dkranz | sdague: The heat one was marked as icehouse with med priority | 17:12 |
| mlavalle | sdague: I spent this week working with mtresinish, afazekas and dkranz (thank you all for your help) debugging the new isolated networks code added to isolated credentials | 17:12 |
| sdague | mlavalle: great | 17:12 |
| mlavalle | sdague: it merged this morning. | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: it merged earlier today | 17:12 |
| sdague | ok, so where does that leave us in the full runs? | 17:12 |
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| mlavalle | I will synch up with mtreinish to define the next step with that | 17:13 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: this is just to enable parallel with neutron | 17:13 |
| mlavalle | I need to go back to the full runs blueprint and review the status | 17:13 |
| sdague | ok, I just noticed neutron gate jobs don't have the full runs enabled | 17:13 |
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| sdague | shouldn't we turn those back on? | 17:13 |
| sdague | I mean in the check queue | 17:13 |
| mlavalle | not yet. Let me evaluate over the next couple of days | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I don't think anyone looks at them if they always fail | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | now if you made them gating :) | 17:14 |
| sdague | mtreinish: ok, it's just hard to figure out how bad they are failing | 17:14 |
| mlavalle | and I'll get back to you. I am talking about full run | 17:14 |
| sdague | given that we have no data right now | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I think they are on the experimental queue | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | so you can manually trigger them | 17:14 |
| sdague | ok | 17:14 |
| mlavalle | sdague: I agree with you. I need some fresh runs to gauge where we stand | 17:14 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: They are | 17:14 |
| sdague | mlavalle: ok, great | 17:15 |
| mlavalle | mtreinish: I'll look for the experimental queue and do some runs | 17:15 |
| mlavalle | if I need help, i'll ping you | 17:15 |
| sdague | mlavalle: it would be great to see if we could get it down to a short list of bugs that are blocking things | 17:15 |
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| mtreinish | mlavalle: ok | 17:16 |
| mlavalle | sdague: agree | 17:16 |
| mlavalle | That's my intent | 17:16 |
| mlavalle | That's all I have | 17:16 |
| sdague | I'm assuming we're talking icehouse-1 at this point, but still would like to keep priority on it | 17:16 |
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| mlavalle | sdague: most likely, but i'll let you know early next week | 17:16 |
| sdague | we'll probably do a session or two at summit with the neutron team to try to come up with longer term strategies here | 17:16 |
| dkranz | mlavalle: Just do 'check experimental" in a tempest patch | 17:16 |
| sdague | great | 17:16 |
| sdague | ok, next topic... | 17:17 |
| mlavalle | dkranz: thanks | 17:17 |
| sdague | #topic rework "skip test" functionality, reprises mkoderer's proposal (gfidente) | 17:17 |
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| mkoderer | giulivo: you around? | 17:17 |
| mlavalle | mlavalle: I have to run to another meeting… see you around guys | 17:17 |
| sdague | thanks mlavalle | 17:18 |
| giulivo | yep so I submitted a few changes to enforce a strict checking of the skip messages and hopefully get the tracker to count them all | 17:18 |
| sdague | giulivo: ok, are there reviews you need eyes on? | 17:18 |
| mkoderer | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48121/ | 17:18 |
| giulivo | nope but the suggestion which popped was to just make that a decorator | 17:18 |
| giulivo | so that would change a bit how we use/count the skips, is that okay to everyone to change? | 17:18 |
| sdague | yes, that's fine by me | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | giulivo: its fine if it makes things simpler and consistent | 17:19 |
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| mkoderer | I looking forward to the patch :) | 17:19 |
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| giulivo | ok, that was all from me then, just looking for some sort of okay | 17:19 |
| sdague | yep, +1. look forward to reviewing it :) | 17:20 |
| sdague | ok, last schedule topic | 17:20 |
| sdague | #topic Critical Reviews (sdague) | 17:20 |
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| sdague | ok, now is the time to bring up reviews that you think we've let fall through the cracks, or became contentious | 17:20 |
| mtreinish | this is a devstack one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46314/ | 17:20 |
| mtreinish | to enable tenant isolation on neutron runs | 17:21 |
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| mtreinish | it's only been mergeable since this morning | 17:21 |
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| sdague | ok, +2 from me, can you hit up dtroyer after the meeting to get the other +2? | 17:21 |
| sdague | other reviews | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | sdague: sure | 17:22 |
| sdague | mkoderer: did your stress test change merge through? | 17:22 |
| mkoderer | sdague: yes | 17:22 |
| sdague | ok, great | 17:22 |
| mkoderer | it's was merged this morning | 17:22 |
| mkoderer | so we will see the results next days | 17:23 |
| sdague | ok, cool, so hopefully that fixes the cron job tonight | 17:23 |
| sdague | otherwise I actually feel like we're keeping up pretty well | 17:23 |
| mkoderer | sdague: yes I hope so :) | 17:23 |
| sdague | great to have mkoderer and giulivo on the team with reviews | 17:23 |
| sdague | ok, lets switch to ... | 17:23 |
| sdague | #topic Open Conversation | 17:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Conversation (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:24 | |
| mtreinish | well I guess I should mention that elastic-recheck is now in gerrit | 17:24 |
| sdague | I guess the only thing that I wanted to say is next week I'll set aside some time for design summit conversations about the talks we want there in the track | 17:24 |
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| mtreinish | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/elastic-recheck,n,z | 17:24 |
| adalbas | sdague, about the blueprints triage, i believe this one can be closed: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/upgrade-testing-in-gate | 17:24 |
| giulivo | mtreinish, +1 thanks for that | 17:25 |
| sdague | adalbas: great, will do | 17:25 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: That's great. Hopefully fewer people will 'recheck no bug' | 17:25 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: it's still running on my laptop at this point | 17:25 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: :) | 17:25 |
| sdague | dkranz: +1, mtreinish, jog0 and clarkb did a great job here | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | hopefully we'll get it up on infra shortly | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | but everyone should feel free to contribute to elastic-recheck to make it better :) | 17:26 |
| sdague | it's very cool that elastic-recheck has become a thing :) | 17:26 |
| sdague | definitely | 17:26 |
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| sdague | everyone with tempest +2 has +2 on that repo, so you can approve in new bug patterns | 17:27 |
| sdague | which is probably something we should mention | 17:27 |
| dkranz | Good to know | 17:28 |
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| sdague | ok, anything else from folks? | 17:28 |
| sdague | other topics for open discussion? | 17:28 |
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| annegentle | sdague: hey | 17:29 |
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| sdague | annegentle: hey | 17:30 |
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| annegentle | general question -- is there interest in reviewing docs prior to the release? | 17:30 |
| sdague | annegentle: can you specify what kind of docs? | 17:30 |
| dianefleming | hey hey | 17:30 |
| annegentle | For example, if I set up a doc review blitz for API docs and operator docs, would QA want to read-read-read? | 17:30 |
| annegentle | my sense is that QAers are mostly interested in api docs | 17:31 |
| sdague | we could open it up to folks for sure, I think like you said, on the API side there is probably the most interest | 17:31 |
| annegentle | okay, I'll see if I can come up with a plan and date | 17:31 |
| afazekas | sounds good to me | 17:31 |
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| annegentle | dianefleming: sound good to you? | 17:31 |
| sdague | sounds good | 17:31 |
| annegentle | me and dianefleming are doing an "output test blitz" tomorrow | 17:32 |
| sdague | we'll encourage folks to participate | 17:32 |
| sdague | cool | 17:32 |
| annegentle | but then I thought QAers might like a blitz we open up to more people | 17:32 |
| dianefleming | sounds good | 17:32 |
| annegentle | ok, thanks sdague | 17:32 |
| annegentle | that's all I had | 17:32 |
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| sdague | great | 17:32 |
| sdague | ok, any last topics from folks? | 17:32 |
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| sdague | going once... | 17:32 |
| sdague | going twice... | 17:32 |
| sdague | ok, lets call it a meeting. | 17:33 |
| sdague | thanks for coming everyone, we'll see you in #openstack-qa | 17:33 |
| sdague | #endmeeting | 17:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 26 17:33:20 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-09-26-17.00.html | 17:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-09-26-17.00.txt | 17:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-09-26-17.00.log.html | 17:33 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 26 18:05:55 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | hi everyone | 18:05 |
| elo | Hi | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | who do we have here today? | 18:06 |
| rellerreller | hi | 18:06 |
| bpb | hello | 18:06 |
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| thomasbiege | hi | 18:06 |
| pijany | hi | 18:07 |
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| bdpayne | I have two main things I'd like to discuss today | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | 1) The upcoming summit | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | 2) Security testing via CI | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | Anything else on people's minds? | 18:08 |
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| bdpayne | Tough crowd today ;-) | 18:09 |
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| bdpayne | #topic OpenStack Summit | 18:09 |
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| bdpayne | ok, let's start with the summit | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | As many of you have noticed, the summit speaker list is now public | 18:09 |
| elo | I noticed a few related security sessions | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | http://openstacksummitnovember2013.sched.org/ | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | There's a few security sessions, yes | 18:10 |
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| bdpayne | I've started putting together a Google Doc to track things that may be of interest to this group | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqnzHH5YYzZvdHM0R042U0t5LTNXWFp1MlB2VHpCZmc&usp=sharing | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | Feel free to add things that you find | 18:11 |
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| bdpayne | I'll also try to add things from the dev summit as well, once those are more pinned down | 18:12 |
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| bdpayne | Having said all of this, I am personally disappointed that there is not a security track this time around | 18:13 |
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| bdpayne | I think that it would be nice to have a stronger security presence at the summit | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | I have two thoughts on achieving this | 18:13 |
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| bdpayne | I'd be interested in people's thoughts | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | 1) In the past OSSG hasn't been highly involved in the dev sessions, and I think that we should aim to improve that this time around | 18:13 |
| bpb | bdpayne: We submitted a proposal for an ephemeral storage encryption design session | 18:14 |
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| bdpayne | oh nice | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | so yeah, there's two ways to be involved in that side of things | 18:14 |
| malini1 | thanks bruce for the reminder | 18:14 |
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| bdpayne | we could submit dev session ideas | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | like bpb just mentioned | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | and we can also simply be a presence for the general dev sessions to help keep security on people's minds | 18:15 |
| elo | I'll be there all four days… as I was planning to attend some of the dev sessions | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | I think that both are very valuable | 18:15 |
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| rellerreller | +1 | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | elo sounds good, I'm in the same boat… I'll bee there all week | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | with this in mind, I propose using the Google Doc I linked above to help track dev sessions and who will be attending | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | We could aim for 2 OSSG members that are following each track (at a min) | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | I think that's a nice target | 18:16 |
| malini1 | +1, being at multiple tracks with our security hat on is valuable, security is a cross cutting issue, post summit we could make a report for the openstack summit news letter on our learnings and recommendations, and we have a look-ahead into features evolving | 18:16 |
| malini1 | i shall be there all week too | 18:16 |
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| bdpayne | indeed | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | So let's use this Google Doc to help coordinate such activities | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | glad to hear that we'll have several people in attendance | 18:17 |
| elo | +1. ok | 18:17 |
| rellerreller | +1 | 18:17 |
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| bdpayne | #action I'll also reach out to the broader OSSG community to see if we can get more people involved at the summit | 18:17 |
| elo | I'm involved in two sessions presentations | 18:18 |
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| bdpayne | nice | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | that's a nice segue to the second summit idea | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | 2) I propose that we create our own security speaking track | 18:19 |
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| bdpayne | By this I mean purposefully taking over a chunk of slots at the Unconference | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | Have several interesting security talks ready to go | 18:19 |
| malini1 | :-) | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | Sign up for a series of back to back slots at the Unconference | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | and advertise it as an informal security track | 18:20 |
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| bdpayne | This is my way of trying to bring a grass roots effort together to show that there is interest in security | 18:20 |
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| bdpayne | To work, we'd really want to fill those rooms with people too | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | What do you guys think? | 18:20 |
| rellerreller | Do you think that will ruffle any feathers? | 18:20 |
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| bpb | It would be good if this timeslot could correspond with a timeframe that had less popular presentations... | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | good point | 18:21 |
| rellerreller | My concern is that it may look like we are hijacking the conference some what. I think it will look bad if not much interest. | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | there is a risk of looking like we are hijacking things | 18:21 |
| randy_perryman | It will not ruffle feathers, it is what the Unconference is for. | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | but, yeah what randy said | 18:21 |
| elo | It is a good idea. I noticed that RAX has a 2 day training course on Openstack Security | 18:22 |
| rellerreller | OK, I'm not sure of conference culture, so it sounds good to me | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | we don't need to take over the *entire* unconference, just a chunk of it | 18:22 |
| elo | so there is interest | 18:22 |
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| bdpayne | elo I missed that training course, link? | 18:22 |
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| malini1 | was there any justification why the security track was nixed this year? | 18:23 |
| elo | Give me a sec. I'll get iit | 18:23 |
| malini1 | is Cody involved in that security course? | 18:24 |
| bpb | http://www.rackspace.com/knowledge_center/cloudu/curriculum | 18:24 |
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| bpb | This may not be the right link- just threw it out there... | 18:24 |
| elo | http://training.rackspace.com/course/security-in-the-cloud/6/ | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | ah, that second link looks better | 18:25 |
| bpb | Sorry for the earlier spam ;-) | 18:25 |
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| bdpayne | so that's not at the conference | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | just a training in Austin | 18:25 |
| elo | I noticed this as I'm training to consolidate information for internal openstack training | 18:25 |
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| bdpayne | interesting though | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | now I'm curious what they cover ;-) | 18:25 |
| elo | same here | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | well, if you find any more details, please let us know | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | that's all I have on the summit, anyone else have summit discussions? | 18:26 |
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| bpb | We're planning the volume encryption user session with rackspace - just started the discussions | 18:27 |
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| bdpayne | excellent | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | is that the one I have listed on my spreadsheet? | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | or something different? | 18:28 |
| bpb | same one | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | ok, nice | 18:28 |
| malini1 | bdpayne .. any comment from summit folks why no security track? | 18:28 |
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| bdpayne | I haven't heard any comments. There was an email thread asking about it that went silent. | 18:28 |
| malini1 | based on that rackspace training course .. may be we needed to offer a hands-on security lab? | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | Ok, given the time I think I'll defer topic (2) -- security CI testing -- until next week. It's not urgent at this time. | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | malini1 is there still time to submit training session ideas? | 18:29 |
| malini1 | instead of a panel session on the book, a presentation summarizing the book | 18:29 |
| rellerreller | Action item note: I tried to see if OSSG could be alerted of new blueprints automatically. I found nothing in the web interface. | 18:30 |
| malini1 | not sure | 18:30 |
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| bdpayne | rellerreller We looked into that and there is no way at this time | 18:30 |
| thomasbiege | ok, bye | 18:30 |
| rellerreller | That's a bummer | 18:31 |
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| bdpayne | ok, thanks everyone… that's all for today | 18:31 |
| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 26 18:31:20 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-09-26-18.05.html | 18:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-09-26-18.05.txt | 18:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-09-26-18.05.log.html | 18:31 |
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| harlowja | #startmeeting state-management | 19:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 26 19:59:27 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'state_management' | 19:59 |
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| harlowja | to quick, ha | 19:59 |
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| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StateManagement#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 20:00 |
| harlowja | anyone around | 20:00 |
| harlowja | if not thats ok :-P | 20:01 |
| harlowja | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-09-19-20.00.html | 20:01 |
| melnikov | hi there | 20:01 |
| * caitlin56 waves | 20:01 | |
| harlowja | hi hi | 20:01 |
| * harlowja waits a few minutes for others i guess | 20:01 | |
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| adrian_otto | o/ | 20:01 |
| harlowja | howday | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | ok dokie, | 20:02 |
| harlowja | so lets see | 20:03 |
| harlowja | #topic action-items | 20:03 |
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| harlowja | so i drafted with the help of caitlin56 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/taskflow/+spec/task-flow-attributes | 20:03 |
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| ekarlso | yello.. | 20:04 |
| harlowja | just noticed caitlin56 put up https://blueprints.launchpad.net/taskflow/+spec/backend-activity-attributes :) | 20:04 |
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| harlowja | caitlin56 does the later 'task-flow-attributes' need to exist if there is 'backend-activity-attributes' | 20:04 |
| harlowja | ekarlso yo | 20:04 |
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| caitlin56 | harlowja: no, but I didn't know how to edit that one safely, so I made a new one. | 20:05 |
| harlowja | kk | 20:05 |
| harlowja | np | 20:05 |
| caitlin56 | Slightly different focus, but clearly overlapping. | 20:05 |
| harlowja | k | 20:05 |
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| * harlowja not sure if there is a way to link them, i will find something | 20:05 | |
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| harlowja | cool, so if anyone wants to check those out, it would be neat, its about how to publish attributes of tasks and flows that others can find and use to create an overall 'strategy' | 20:06 |
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| caitlin56 | harlowja: while you are researching, find out if there is a way to list a blueprint to two projects. | 20:07 |
| harlowja | hmmm | 20:07 |
| harlowja | sure, will see what i can find | 20:07 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja investigate blueprint magic | 20:07 |
| caitlin56 | this is definitely a fence-sitter. | 20:07 |
| harlowja | sure sure | 20:07 |
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| harlowja | ok dokie, so i'll try to look over those and stuff, others feel free to also :) | 20:08 |
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| harlowja | more comments the better | 20:08 |
| harlowja | #topic announcements | 20:08 |
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| harlowja | so there will be a speaker (likely me) session at the summit for taskflow | 20:09 |
| harlowja | woot! | 20:09 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:09 |
| harlowja | as well as multiple design sesssions | 20:09 |
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| harlowja | so maybe i can start an etherpad with ideas about what to show/present | 20:09 |
| harlowja | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/TaskflowHKIdeas i guess works | 20:10 |
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| harlowja | feel free to throw stuff up there | 20:10 |
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| harlowja | any ideas are welcome :-P | 20:11 |
| harlowja | *not involving harlowja doing crazy thigns on stage, thx much | 20:11 |
| adrian_otto | if you want help with the session, I'll volunteer to lend a hand | 20:11 |
| harlowja | sure | 20:11 |
| caitlin56 | So where do you do crazy things? | 20:11 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:11 |
| harlowja | off-stage? | 20:11 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:11 |
| harlowja | adrian_otto thx, i think maybe brainstorm a little via that etherpad | 20:12 |
| adrian_otto | whatever helps the most. I do a reasonable amount of public speaking, so I'll offer that skill. | 20:12 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:12 |
| ekarlso | how did the gearman thing go ? | 20:12 |
| harlowja | what gearman thing? :-P | 20:12 |
| harlowja | i don't think it went very far, lol | 20:12 |
| harlowja | but jessica would know best | 20:13 |
| harlowja | but she's not around at the moment i think | 20:13 |
| ekarlso | is she here ? :p | 20:13 |
| ekarlso | doh | 20:13 |
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| harlowja | :)( | 20:13 |
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| harlowja | *mistype, just supposed to be sad face | 20:14 |
| harlowja | anyways, so thats good news | 20:14 |
| ekarlso | harlowja: where are ytou hiding her ? ;p | 20:14 |
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| harlowja | ha | 20:14 |
| harlowja | kebray adrian_otto are, not me | 20:14 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:14 |
| ekarlso | what's good news ? | 20:15 |
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| harlowja | our speaker session for taskflow made it through the gauntlet | 20:15 |
| harlowja | the voting gauntlet | 20:15 |
| harlowja | and we passed | 20:15 |
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| ekarlso | ooh | 20:16 |
| harlowja | ya | 20:16 |
| harlowja | i also put up quite a few other sessions @ http://summit.openstack.org/ | 20:16 |
| harlowja | but those are design releated ones | 20:16 |
| harlowja | if others think of more let me know | 20:16 |
| ekarlso | harlowja: do you see taskflow in quantum later ? | 20:17 |
| harlowja | unsure, i know like not so much about quantum :-P | 20:17 |
| harlowja | but if it makes sense, why not, ha | 20:17 |
| ekarlso | or neutron rather | 20:17 |
| ekarlso | ok :) | 20:17 |
| harlowja | maybe, unsure | 20:17 |
| harlowja | #topic integration | 20:17 |
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| harlowja | so thats a good question | 20:18 |
| harlowja | we should start to track some ideas around this, but it'd be nice to consult with neutron folks maybe | 20:18 |
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| harlowja | ekarlso also for billingstack, we should be able to help u use the new engine concept and adjust your usage there | 20:18 |
| harlowja | hopefully nothing to bad | 20:18 |
| harlowja | all those reviews are in | 20:18 |
| caitlin56 | There is a huge difference between a task that works *within* a virtual network and one that creates virtual networks. | 20:19 |
| caitlin56 | More value and more risk with the latter. | 20:19 |
| harlowja | ya, i have not enough knowledge about neturon to know about either, haha, i know it makes virtual networks :-P | 20:19 |
| harlowja | and stuff | 20:19 |
| harlowja | other people on my team at y! might know more, or just the neutron people themselves, ha | 20:20 |
| ekarlso | :o | 20:20 |
| harlowja | so ekarlso we should work with u, unless u are in FF (like everyone else) to get u up to speed | 20:20 |
| caitlin56 | If we want to construct ad hoc virtual networks we could make them a lot less risky if we constrain them to be subsets of pre-configured virtual networks. | 20:20 |
| harlowja | caitlin56 no idea, seems like neutron specifics :) | 20:21 |
| harlowja | so ya, idk if/how taskflow could be used there | 20:21 |
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| caitlin56 | Unless people have specific tasks they want flowed that involve ad hoc network creation I'd stick with working within the networks neutron creates. | 20:21 |
| harlowja | i think ekarlso was more of thinking about the workflows neutron is already doing, like maybe those could use taskflow | 20:22 |
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| harlowja | the other review that i am tracking, and one of the reasons i put up a glance design session is | 20:22 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46117/ | 20:22 |
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| ekarlso | the fun thing is | 20:23 |
| ekarlso | BillingStack isn't really in a "advanced" state yet | 20:23 |
| harlowja | k | 20:23 |
| kebray | hi! | 20:23 |
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| kebray | sorry I'm late. | 20:23 |
| ekarlso | i guess the more cool stuff will come when doing billing runs etc later on | 20:23 |
| harlowja | kebray its ok | 20:23 |
| kebray | harlowja got my approval... will book travel today. | 20:23 |
| harlowja | sweet | 20:24 |
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| harlowja | ekarlso so billingstack doesn't have the same FF process right that the other projects have | 20:24 |
| harlowja | slushy freeze | 20:25 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:25 |
| ekarlso | FF? | 20:25 |
| ekarlso | nope | 20:25 |
| harlowja | *feature freeze | 20:25 |
| ekarlso | it's still in "alpha" :p | 20:25 |
| harlowja | ya, np | 20:25 |
| ekarlso | so it can change whatever it wants :) | 20:25 |
| harlowja | cool | 20:25 |
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| harlowja | ya, so integration i think is waiting a little for the FF to thaw | 20:26 |
| harlowja | and icehouse to open up | 20:26 |
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| harlowja | then we can continue integration | 20:26 |
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| harlowja | anyways, lets just open-up for discussion, i don't think to much is new and people are sorta just heads down working | 20:27 |
| harlowja | #topic open-discuss | 20:27 |
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| kebray | harlowja since jlucci isn't here, do you know what's left on her gerrit review before distributed is merged in? | 20:28 |
| kebray | I haven't been able to sync with her the past two days. | 20:28 |
| harlowja | ya, quite a few comments i think | 20:28 |
| kebray | or, do you have a link to the review? | 20:28 |
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| kebray | handy? | 20:28 |
| harlowja | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47609/ | 20:28 |
| kebray | thx! | 20:28 |
| harlowja | i think there is going to be a constant struggle to keep the engine types feature equivalent | 20:29 |
| harlowja | so its transparent to the user which one they are using | 20:29 |
| harlowja | so some of the review comments that i'd like addressed are to keep it transparent | 20:29 |
| kebray | We need to solve this before the summit. | 20:29 |
| kebray | Even if we acknowledge that it can't be transparent. | 20:29 |
| kebray | I only see one comment on the latest merge proposal... were there other comments still not addressed?> | 20:30 |
| harlowja | yup | 20:30 |
| harlowja | i got tired of reposting all my previous comments | 20:30 |
| harlowja | so check the previous patch sets | 20:31 |
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| harlowja | as for ' acknowledge that it can't be transparent' i don't buy that yet | 20:31 |
| harlowja | it doesn't have to be to start fully equivalent | 20:31 |
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| harlowja | but it has to at least like have a run() method that operates the same | 20:32 |
| kebray | the concern I'm having is that the underlying fundamentals keep changing out from under jlucci. | 20:32 |
| kebray | so, it's been a total moving target for her to stay compatible. | 20:32 |
| harlowja | they haven't changed in the last 1.5 weeks | 20:32 |
| harlowja | so i don't buy it | 20:32 |
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| kebray | my point exactly! | 20:32 |
| harlowja | so we are all supposed to wait around? | 20:32 |
| kebray | we had a stable idea of the functional components months ago. | 20:32 |
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| harlowja | and that was determined not to b stable | 20:33 |
| kebray | no, but changing things every week or two makes it difficult for a big patch like this to ever land. | 20:33 |
| harlowja | i don't think thats the true problem | 20:33 |
| harlowja | it has to function at some minimal level | 20:33 |
| harlowja | the engine change didn't alter that much | 20:33 |
| harlowja | the review comments would of been the same without engines | 20:34 |
| kebray | basically, I'm coming at it from the point that we all either need to agree that distributed is important, and we want to work together to support other engine styles, or if that's in contention, we need to figure out if we need to fork for distributed and build as a separate project. goals don't seem aligned right now. | 20:34 |
| harlowja | threads just can't be lost | 20:34 |
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| kebray | I'll dig through the comments more... I need to do that for sure. | 20:34 |
| harlowja | yes, please do before | 20:34 |
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| harlowja | it has to function at a mimimal level | 20:34 |
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| kebray | distributed functions... I've watched it work on many occassions. | 20:35 |
| harlowja | before u say fork it and then have code that still doesn't work :-/ | 20:35 |
| kebray | distributed works... and, all tests pass. | 20:35 |
| harlowja | ya, working and having code that is acceptable are different concepts | 20:35 |
| kebray | I'd like to see the feature land, and then we raise blueprints to make it better. | 20:35 |
| harlowja | except it will be broken if it lands and i don't want that it the codebase | 20:36 |
| harlowja | *that in the codebase | 20:36 |
| kebray | I'm concerned that our definitions of acceptable are too far apart, so we'll things will keep changing such that we can never make the feature land. | 20:36 |
| kebray | what's broken if it lands today? | 20:36 |
| harlowja | read the comments... | 20:36 |
| kebray | As I understand things, you don't even plan to use it. | 20:36 |
| kebray | :-P | 20:36 |
| kebray | and, all tests pass. | 20:36 |
| harlowja | just read the comments | 20:37 |
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| kebray | k. | 20:37 |
| harlowja | basic stuff has to be right, just the basics | 20:37 |
| kebray | k.. I'll come back to you if I need clarification on what you mean by basics... as, I've seen all the basics working. but, let me review the comments and come back to you. | 20:37 |
| harlowja | just review the comments | 20:37 |
| harlowja | and it really seems like a WIP kebray | 20:38 |
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| harlowja | def on_consume_end(self, connection, channel): | 20:39 |
| harlowja | print "ENDING" | 20:39 |
| harlowja | connection.release() | 20:39 |
| harlowja | which is fine, but jessica needs to just finish it up, which is fine to | 20:39 |
| ekarlso | gearman support anyone ? :o | 20:39 |
| harlowja | :-P | 20:39 |
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| harlowja | anyways | 20:40 |
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| kebray | no gearman. | 20:41 |
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| kebray | :-P | 20:41 |
| kebray | harlowja not seeing your point from that code snippet.. don't have the context there. | 20:42 |
| harlowja | u don't put print statements in library code, ha | 20:42 |
| kebray | will read the comments soon. | 20:42 |
| kebray | log instead... sure. | 20:42 |
| harlowja | so thats why i don't think jessica is ready to put it in yet anyway | 20:42 |
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| changbl | guys, do we plan any release of taskflow soon? i still see many features are being added | 20:43 |
| harlowja | and i know she's busy, but this would be an area that i can't help with, me not HR :-P | 20:43 |
| harlowja | changbl so sure, i would like to | 20:43 |
| harlowja | but i don't think feature adding is tied to releasing | 20:44 |
| changbl | harlowja, that is great | 20:44 |
| harlowja | features will always be added, thats how software goes :) | 20:44 |
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| harlowja | add/remove/refactor | 20:44 |
| changbl | harlowja, oh, i mean things like actions/engines/API could break already implemented code using taskflow | 20:44 |
| harlowja | ya, so i think we have stablilized on those and so releasing i think is a useful thing to do | 20:45 |
| changbl | if i implement sth with taskflow, i want the code to be able to stay stabalized | 20:45 |
| harlowja | i was just hoping to have a basic celery stuff in also | 20:45 |
| harlowja | changbl code never stays stabilized :-P but versions of course are useful | 20:46 |
| harlowja | so i am for a release of like 0.1 | 20:46 |
| changbl | yes, at least mostly stabilized:) | 20:46 |
| changbl | e.g., create_volume in cinder | 20:46 |
| harlowja | ya, i know, i did that one, and it will require a little refactoring | 20:47 |
| harlowja | but thats just how it goes | 20:47 |
| kebray | harlowja the typical openstack release is to have everyone focus on stabilizing a release for a period of time before branching and working/focusing on new things. | 20:47 |
| changbl | +1 kebray | 20:47 |
| kebray | are you thinking different for taskflow? | 20:47 |
| harlowja | not really thinking much about that actually, but it seems like we can start thinking about that | 20:48 |
| kebray | new stuff can be in flight, but as a managed project, focus should switch between new stuff and no new stuff (stabilization). | 20:48 |
| harlowja | sure | 20:48 |
| harlowja | i have nothing against that, and i think we are stabalizing | 20:48 |
| harlowja | the reviews i've seen in the past 2-3 weeks haven't been anything fundamentally changing | 20:49 |
| changbl | harlowja, that is a good thing | 20:49 |
| harlowja | agreed | 20:49 |
| changbl | If the API can has no change or minimal change, then it will be great:) | 20:49 |
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| harlowja | sure sure, that would be ideal, and hopefully we can make that happen, but of course i can't sign my life away to that, ha | 20:50 |
| changbl | lol | 20:50 |
| harlowja | <--- not gonna sign here, ha | 20:50 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:50 |
| changbl | we are going to merge Ivan's "simpler API" commit right? | 20:50 |
| harlowja | i think we want to make sure jessica is ok with it | 20:50 |
| changbl | having been there for a while | 20:50 |
| changbl | ah, i see | 20:51 |
| harlowja | ya, its just more of waiting on jessica to look at it | 20:51 |
| harlowja | and make sure she's fine with it | 20:51 |
| changbl | k | 20:51 |
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| harlowja | i think like the following reviews would be nice to have, then 0.1 release | 20:52 |
| harlowja | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47275/ | 20:52 |
| harlowja | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47670/ (cleanup) | 20:52 |
| harlowja | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47609/ (distributed) | 20:52 |
| harlowja | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46458/ (the one api) | 20:53 |
| harlowja | and any other cleanups that aren't that big | 20:53 |
| harlowja | does that seems reasonable? | 20:53 |
| changbl | yes | 20:53 |
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| harlowja | i'd like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47561/ also (exception saving) | 20:53 |
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| harlowja | the other reviews i don't think i would call 'critical' | 20:54 |
| kebray | and I'd like distributed to go in. | 20:54 |
| melnikov | i see no point in releasing without resumption from db actually working, because making it work require some breaking changes | 20:54 |
| harlowja | ok melnikov | 20:54 |
| kebray | will work with jlucci to make it happen. | 20:54 |
| harlowja | so melnikov i think anastsia is working on resumption | 20:54 |
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| harlowja | what breaking changes do u think it will cause? | 20:55 |
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| harlowja | well anyways we should discuss, maybe in the main channel | 20:57 |
| harlowja | since time is running out | 20:57 |
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| melnikov | i feel like i'll need to bend some things to make them fit together better | 20:57 |
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| harlowja | ok, lets discuss it i guess in the main channel | 20:58 |
| harlowja | and we can see what to do | 20:58 |
| harlowja | but i don't think we are that far away | 20:58 |
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| harlowja | so followup there folks! | 20:59 |
| harlowja | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 26 20:59:20 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-09-26-19.59.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-09-26-19.59.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-09-26-19.59.log.html | 20:59 |
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| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 26 21:01:58 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| russellb | hello, everyone! | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:02 |
| jog0 | o/ | 21:02 |
| melwitt | hi | 21:02 |
| mikal | Hi! | 21:02 |
| cyeoh | hi | 21:02 |
| hartsocks | \o | 21:02 |
| dansmith | heya | 21:02 |
| mrodden | hi | 21:02 |
| bpb | hi | 21:02 |
| mriedem | hi | 21:02 |
| russellb | #topic havana-rc1 | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "havana-rc1 (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
| russellb | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-rc1 | 21:02 |
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| russellb | we'd like to release RC1 for nova early next week | 21:03 |
| russellb | we need to have the bug list clear before we can do tht | 21:03 |
| russellb | we've made great progress this week though | 21:03 |
| russellb | both by merging fixes, and marking things as not actually release blockers | 21:03 |
| russellb | #link http://old-wiki.openstack.org/rc/ | 21:03 |
| russellb | that graph shows progress toward RC over time for all projects | 21:03 |
| russellb | any particular bugs anyone wants to chat about? | 21:04 |
| mikal | Can I add a bug to the RC1 list? | 21:04 |
| mikal | Or will you punch me? | 21:04 |
| russellb | mikal: it will cost you | 21:04 |
| dansmith | yes and yes | 21:04 |
| russellb | mikal: if you think it's a release blocker, sure. | 21:05 |
| mikal | Hmmm, not sure if its a blocker. Do we care about windows instances not working in libvirt that much? | 21:05 |
| russellb | an alternative is to tag something as 'havana-rc-potential' | 21:05 |
| mikal | Its sure annoying for windows people | 21:05 |
| russellb | which means, we'd like this in, but at the end of the day, won't block for it | 21:05 |
| russellb | mikal: looks like something that isn't a regression or anything right? | 21:05 |
| jog0 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1218391 https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1226337 https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1230407 https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1223161 | 21:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1218391 in tempest "tempest.api.compute.images.test_images_oneserver.ImagesOneServerTestXML.test_delete_image_that_is_not_yet_active spurious failure" [Critical,In progress] | 21:05 |
| mikal | Ok, I've tagged it rc-potential. Its nota regression, we've always sucked here. | 21:06 |
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| jog0 | those ar the top recehck bugs | 21:06 |
| russellb | k sounds good | 21:06 |
| russellb | mikal: i bet it'll make it anyway | 21:06 |
| russellb | jog0: yeah i wanted to bring up rechecks ... | 21:06 |
| russellb | so some stats went to the -dev list and nova looks really bad | 21:06 |
| russellb | we 'recheck no bug' 75% of the time | 21:06 |
| russellb | :( | 21:06 |
| dansmith | who's we? not me :) | 21:06 |
| russellb | we as a project | 21:06 |
| mikal | I'll be honest. Its me. | 21:07 |
| russellb | lol. | 21:07 |
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| mikal | Its often very hard to find a matching bug. | 21:07 |
| mikal | I should probably be filing more bugs though... | 21:07 |
| russellb | mikal: jog0 is working on making that much easier! | 21:07 |
| mikal | I know | 21:07 |
| mikal | I have already agreed with stick figure man on email | 21:07 |
| jog0 | so we are working on that, should be ready soon right now sdague is workong in gettinglogstash to be faster | 21:07 |
| jog0 | until then feel free to harass me for help | 21:08 |
| jog0 | russellb: for all those bugs not sure what the causes or where they belong but we should at least be tracking them closely | 21:08 |
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| russellb | jog0: *nods*, tag them all with rc-potential at least | 21:08 |
| russellb | #help we could use more eyes on the top recheck bugs! | 21:08 |
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| jog0 | amen! | 21:09 |
| russellb | :) | 21:09 |
| russellb | so, the other havana release item is our release notes | 21:09 |
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| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana#OpenStack_Compute_.28Nova.29 | 21:09 |
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| russellb | In particular, if anyone has anything we should be documenting in "Upgrade Notes" we need to put it in there | 21:10 |
| russellb | we've also got a list of reviews that were saved off, but don't have text to explain the upgrade impact yet | 21:10 |
| russellb | so any help on this page is definitely welcome | 21:10 |
| russellb | we'll also need to come up with a nice feature list | 21:10 |
| russellb | you can take a look at the grizzly page for an example | 21:11 |
| russellb | it's fun to go back through what we've accomplished | 21:11 |
| russellb | but anyway, be thinking of anything that we really need to call out for people | 21:11 |
| russellb | and ping me if you want to help | 21:12 |
| russellb | anything else on the havana release? | 21:12 |
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| dansmith | "Objects: The biggest chunk of code you'll never notice" | 21:12 |
| dansmith | should I add that? | 21:12 |
| dansmith | (kidding) | 21:12 |
| jog0 | we need to document https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46336/ | 21:12 |
| russellb | dansmith: i was going to write something about significant continued progress toward supporting rolling upgrades or something | 21:12 |
| jog0 | or someone does | 21:12 |
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| russellb | jog0: at least leave a review link in the list for now | 21:13 |
| jog0 | russellb: done | 21:13 |
| russellb | perfect | 21:13 |
| * comstud whoops | 21:13 | |
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| russellb | alrighty, that's all i really wanted to hit today, pushing toward the release | 21:14 |
| russellb | in the final stretch! | 21:14 |
| russellb | #topic open discussion | 21:14 |
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| russellb | #link http://summit.openstack.org/ | 21:14 |
| comstud | i joined just in time | 21:14 |
| russellb | comstud: slacker | 21:14 |
| comstud | i can't tell time | 21:14 |
| russellb | summit site is open, get your sessions in soon :) | 21:14 |
| russellb | any other random topics? | 21:16 |
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| bpb | russellb: The volume encryption feature has an imposed patch in Cinder, and we need to have some review on this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46091/ | 21:16 |
| russellb | or non-random ones? | 21:16 |
| hartsocks | Well, I heard a rumor that our CI team will start pushing logs publicly in the next couple of weeks. | 21:16 |
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| hartsocks | So that's a good thing. | 21:16 |
| russellb | hartsocks: nice! | 21:16 |
| russellb | that's great news | 21:16 |
| hartsocks | Expect some random +1's from it to start popping up here and there as they test it. | 21:17 |
| russellb | bpb: hm, you'll have to talk to the cinder folks about it | 21:17 |
| russellb | bpb: but feel free to pull me in too | 21:17 |
| russellb | bpb: you can find those devs in #openstack-cinder | 21:17 |
| bpb | russellb: I've been, and it will probably be taken care of. Just wanted to let you know | 21:17 |
| russellb | ok cool thanks! | 21:18 |
| bpb | russellb: thanks | 21:18 |
| russellb | alright, well enjoy the short meetings while they last | 21:18 |
| russellb | icehouse planning will kick up pretty soon :) | 21:19 |
| russellb | thanks everyone! | 21:19 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 21:19 |
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| mikal | Laters | 21:19 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 26 21:19:12 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-09-26-21.01.html | 21:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-09-26-21.01.txt | 21:19 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-09-26-21.01.log.html | 21:19 |
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