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| ilyashakhat | #startmeeting stackalytics | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 21 15:01:25 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ilyashakhat. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'stackalytics' | 15:01 |
| ilyashakhat | hello everyone! | 15:01 |
| hnarkaytis | hi | 15:01 |
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| ilyashakhat | this is the first meeting of stackalytics team | 15:02 |
| hnarkaytis | I wonder if there are anyone else eager to discuss Stackalytics roadmap | 15:02 |
| hnarkaytis | lets go thru agenda | 15:02 |
| ilyashakhat | the agenda: to review blueprints and proposals for the next version | 15:02 |
| hnarkaytis | excellent... do we have any open blueprints? | 15:03 |
| ilyashakhat | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/stackalytics | 15:03 |
| ilyashakhat | we have 6 blueprints | 15:04 |
| ilyashakhat | the first is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/stackalytics/+spec/review-disagreements | 15:04 |
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| ilyashakhat | it's a proposal to add the same stats on disagreements as in Russell's report | 15:05 |
| hnarkaytis | so basically this one reproduce statistics from RUssel | 15:05 |
| ilyashakhat | yes | 15:05 |
| ilyashakhat | the only 'hard' thing is that we need a list of core devs | 15:05 |
| hnarkaytis | well - we can use heuristics | 15:06 |
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| hnarkaytis | anyone who gave +2 review on a project would be a core/PTL | 15:06 |
| ilyashakhat | good point) | 15:07 |
| hnarkaytis | probably that will work only for PTLs | 15:07 |
| hnarkaytis | need to double check | 15:07 |
| ilyashakhat | no, cores do +2 as well | 15:07 |
| ogelbukh | it might be former ptl/core? | 15:07 |
| hnarkaytis | lets take a look on Neutron | 15:07 |
| ogelbukh | or you don't look backwards | 15:07 |
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| hnarkaytis | we will calc stats only for particular releqse cycles | 15:08 |
| ilyashakhat | the most stable way is to check 'drivers' group in LP - like https://launchpad.net/~neutron-drivers/+members#active | 15:08 |
| ogelbukh | https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/ | 15:09 |
| ilyashakhat | but this may require additional configuration | 15:09 |
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| ogelbukh | guys, isn't this something you're looking for? | 15:09 |
| hnarkaytis | does it have a RAST API? There was a docs on dev version of API | 15:10 |
| ilyashakhat | ogelbukh: yes, this list is the best source | 15:10 |
| hnarkaytis | Stackalytics never uses data grabbing from web pages | 15:10 |
| ilyashakhat | :) | 15:11 |
| ilyashakhat | need to check in gerrit api | 15:11 |
| ogelbukh | http://gerrit-documentation.googlecode.com/svn/Documentation/2.6/rest-api-groups.html | 15:11 |
| hnarkaytis | ok, lets move further. Lets assume that this report would be in 0.4 release | 15:12 |
| hnarkaytis | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/stackalytics/+spec/graceful-loc-statstics | 15:12 |
| ilyashakhat | it's about calculating sloc not loc | 15:13 |
| hnarkaytis | this one requires running sloccount on each commit | 15:13 |
| ilyashakhat | but it will require to analyze every single diff | 15:13 |
| hnarkaytis | probably we can run a daily butch | 15:13 |
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| hnarkaytis | probably we can run a daily batch | 15:14 |
| ilyashakhat | will top management like slocs more than loc? | 15:14 |
| hnarkaytis | that will give us not only slocs | 15:14 |
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| ilyashakhat | lang stats? | 15:15 |
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| hnarkaytis | sloccount gives a ballpark for project development price | 15:15 |
| hnarkaytis | i.e. we will make a graph of $ evaluation | 15:15 |
| hnarkaytis | top managers will like it | 15:16 |
| hnarkaytis | lets settle that we don't need slocs from every commit, but $ graph is an option to consider | 15:17 |
| ilyashakhat | ok, but let's give low priority to this BP | 15:17 |
| hnarkaytis | i.e. this BP is not in 0.4 roadmap | 15:17 |
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| ilyashakhat | ok | 15:17 |
| hnarkaytis | what's next& | 15:17 |
| ilyashakhat | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/stackalytics/+spec/module-review-backlog-stats | 15:18 |
| ilyashakhat | some metrics that analyze review backlog | 15:18 |
| hnarkaytis | do we have anything similar in activity dashboard& | 15:19 |
| hnarkaytis | do we have anything similar in activity dashboard? | 15:19 |
| ilyashakhat | no | 15:19 |
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| hnarkaytis | how this report should look like in UI? | 15:19 |
| hnarkaytis | some summary page at the bottom that particular project is filtered? | 15:20 |
| ilyashakhat | it may be a list of reviews ordered by time desc | 15:20 |
| ilyashakhat | Russell has something similar | 15:20 |
| hnarkaytis | lets take a look | 15:20 |
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| ilyashakhat | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/nova-openreviews.html | 15:21 |
| hnarkaytis | well - just a bunch of unsorted data... | 15:22 |
| ilyashakhat | that needs to be made shiny and readable | 15:23 |
| hnarkaytis | do you think that it has some meaningful information? | 15:23 |
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| ilyashakhat | compare backlog length between projects may have sense | 15:24 |
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| ilyashakhat | at least it is discussed in ML from time to time | 15:24 |
| hnarkaytis | lets put this as a low priority report | 15:24 |
| ilyashakhat | agree | 15:24 |
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| hnarkaytis | next one | 15:24 |
| ilyashakhat | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/stackalytics/+spec/review-punchcard | 15:25 |
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| hnarkaytis | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/stackalytics/+spec/no-down-time-updates | 15:25 |
| ilyashakhat | it's about tracking usual time when engineer is awake and ready to review patches | 15:25 |
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| ilyashakhat | the data can be shown on user profile screen | 15:26 |
| hnarkaytis | this one has some value | 15:26 |
| hnarkaytis | lets schedule this one to 0.4 roadmap | 15:27 |
| ilyashakhat | fine | 15:27 |
| russellb | the open reviews info is *very* useful from a project management perspective | 15:27 |
| russellb | i look at it a lot, fwiw | 15:27 |
| hnarkaytis | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/stackalytics/+spec/no-down-time-updates - this one should be reclassified as Completed | 15:27 |
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| hnarkaytis | Russell - thanks for the input | 15:28 |
| ilyashakhat | russellb: hi! :) we just talked about your reports | 15:28 |
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| russellb | yep, saw them mentioned | 15:28 |
| ilyashakhat | hnarkaytis: will mark as complete | 15:29 |
| hnarkaytis | lets complete review of open BPs and get back to this particular report | 15:29 |
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| hnarkaytis | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/stackalytics/+spec/web-filters-caching - the last one | 15:30 |
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| ilyashakhat | it's about caching search queries | 15:30 |
| hnarkaytis | pretty strait forward - lets put it as medium priority | 15:30 |
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| hnarkaytis | ok - lets get back to Russell's report | 15:31 |
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| hnarkaytis | I want to go thru all numbers and figure out if we have required data in place | 15:32 |
| hnarkaytis | Total Open Reviews: 272 - this is simple | 15:32 |
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| hnarkaytis | Waiting on Submitter: - should be just a counter of reviews in particular state | 15:33 |
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| hnarkaytis | Waiting on Reviewer - the same | 15:33 |
| ilyashakhat | we can calc a state during update and store it as attr | 15:33 |
| ilyashakhat | and we have everything for time calculation | 15:34 |
| hnarkaytis | Stats since the latest revision: - I wonder how to calculate wait time | 15:35 |
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| ilyashakhat | let's look into sources) | 15:35 |
| hnarkaytis | we retrieve data from Gerrit only with the current state and do not store a history in Stackalytics | 15:36 |
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| russellb | it's not a count of state, exactly | 15:36 |
| russellb | well depends on how you define state | 15:36 |
| hnarkaytis | yeahh - need to take a look at Russell's code | 15:36 |
| russellb | waiting on reviewer is reviews without any -1 or -2, and not a work in progress either | 15:37 |
| russellb | something like that :) | 15:37 |
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| hnarkaytis | well - all this staff is not evident ... need to do reverse engineering of Russell's report | 15:38 |
| russellb | it's pretty simple python code | 15:39 |
| russellb | might be nice to turn it into a library | 15:39 |
| russellb | separate the logic from the output | 15:39 |
| russellb | so you don't just reimplement it | 15:39 |
| hnarkaytis | good point | 15:39 |
| hnarkaytis | then we need to agree on an interface | 15:39 |
| hnarkaytis | anyway - we need to take this offline | 15:40 |
| ilyashakhat | another point regarding this report is when/where to show it | 15:40 |
| ilyashakhat | when metric Reviews is selected? | 15:41 |
| hnarkaytis | the current UI paradigm is not suitable for this kind of reports | 15:41 |
| ilyashakhat | make it popup like blueprint details | 15:41 |
| hnarkaytis | probably a popup window from Project name | 15:41 |
| ilyashakhat | show summary at bottom and popup with more details | 15:42 |
| hnarkaytis | ok - there was one more thing that I wanted to discuss | 15:42 |
| hnarkaytis | do we need to focus on drill-down reports or continue with other metrics | 15:43 |
| hnarkaytis | there was an idea to added stats on IRC chats | 15:43 |
| hnarkaytis | and open tickets | 15:43 |
| hnarkaytis | Russell, what do you think on that? | 15:44 |
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| russellb | hnarkaytis: depends on who you want to serve | 15:44 |
| russellb | hnarkaytis: my answer is probably different than a user, or someone in management at a company participating, or whatever | 15:44 |
| russellb | decide on some user personas, and then prioritize them | 15:45 |
| russellb | because each will want more information on different things, i think | 15:45 |
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| hnarkaytis | I believe that we already covered basic statistics required for marketing and now need to address needs of PTLs and core contributors | 15:45 |
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| russellb | in my very biased opinion, I prefer information that helps with running the projects :-) | 15:46 |
| russellb | OK, cool | 15:46 |
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| russellb | so, thing that are important to me are all around "how are we doing as a project" | 15:46 |
| russellb | "are we keeping up" | 15:46 |
| russellb | that's why looking at stats on open reviews is important | 15:46 |
| russellb | stats on open bugs is also very useful | 15:46 |
| hnarkaytis | do you have report on open bugs? | 15:47 |
| russellb | not yet | 15:47 |
| russellb | so that might be a good one to work on, because that's a need not really being served anywhere that well that I know of | 15:47 |
| russellb | and not just on open vs closed | 15:47 |
| russellb | but also stats on bugs getting triaged, that's really important too | 15:47 |
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| hnarkaytis | ok - then lets put this way. We will start with report on bugs and implement stats similar to your stats on reviews | 15:48 |
| russellb | sounds like a good set of next steps | 15:48 |
| russellb | thanks for asking :) | 15:48 |
| hnarkaytis | Ilya, do we have anything else in our agenda? | 15:49 |
| ilyashakhat | ok, i will file bp on this | 15:49 |
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| ilyashakhat | no, i think that's all with agenda | 15:49 |
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| ilyashakhat | we have a good list of thing to do in 0.4 | 15:49 |
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| hnarkaytis | yeahh - 3 major blue-prints for next release | 15:51 |
| hnarkaytis | lets wrapup for today | 15:51 |
| ilyashakhat | ok | 15:52 |
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| ilyashakhat | thanks everyone! | 15:52 |
| ilyashakhat | #endmeeting | 15:52 |
| hnarkaytis | will put a summary on wiki tomorrow | 15:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 21 15:52:29 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stackalytics/2013/stackalytics.2013-10-21-15.01.html | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stackalytics/2013/stackalytics.2013-10-21-15.01.txt | 15:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stackalytics/2013/stackalytics.2013-10-21-15.01.log.html | 15:52 |
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| rakhmerov | hello folks | 15:59 |
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| rakhmerov | let's start the meeting? | 16:00 |
| sergmelikyan | Hi! | 16:00 |
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| ameade_ | hello | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | hi there | 16:00 |
| ativelkov | Hi | 16:00 |
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| iv_m | hi there | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 21 16:00:33 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| tsufiev | hello | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | so this is the first community meeting for the newly started project Mistral | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | (I believe not the last :) ) | 16:01 |
| tnurlygayanov_ | ) | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | the agenda can be found at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MistralAgenda | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | it contains pretty high level items which are basically all about clarifying what the project is and who it's for | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Project Mission | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | btw, some useful links: | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | https://launchpad.net/mistral | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mistral | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | and the proposal that was created in parallel but we want to be in sync with: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Convection | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | so we thought the project mission is to create a simple service for OpenStack based on using DSL for processing interrelated tasks | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | the main ideas are in this document: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TaskServiceDesign | 16:06 |
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| ilyashakhat | just curious, what is relation bw mistral and taskflow? | 16:06 |
| devvesa | yep, i wanted to ask this question too | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | it's one of the items to discuss :) | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | let's get back to this a bit later, there's a reason for this | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | if you don't mind | 16:07 |
| tnurlygayanov | lets push some links to mistral description ) | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | I just did | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | the last one | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | so the main thing here is that the design is a little bit low level and is not so easy to explain for most of the people around | 16:08 |
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| stanlagun | I currently work on a more high-level design document | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | basically, the service is supposed to be just a generic state machine not performing any actions itself | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | stanlagun: right, we decided to work through the definition of it | 16:10 |
| stanlagun | The motivation behind document is to clarify use cases, differences and relations to other task-related projects like TaskFlow | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | the questions that have raised: do we develop this service for developers exclusively? If yes, the level of abstraction would be different than if we offered some capabilities for people who drive them own VMs let's say | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | so now we see the opportunity to make it clear and understandable for a wide variety of users | 16:12 |
| stanlagun | I'd say the service is not only for developers | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | not only for developers, yes | 16:13 |
| stanlagun | but not necessary for novice users | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | and that leads us to the idea of introducing different levels: the low level as described in the design document (with some changes), and the set of tools and frameworks on top of this generic engine | 16:14 |
| stanlagun | I suppose it is for a. developers b. system integrators and c. for administartors via additional toolset | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | stanlagun: agree | 16:14 |
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| stanlagun | Initial idea was to have a very low-level task management service | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | so the main value is to offload all the state management related with task processing onto this service that would provide all the cool features like HA, scalability and so forth | 16:15 |
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| stanlagun | But as we further discuss it it becomes clear that we need it to be human-friendly so that the tasks could be hand-written and not generated by some software | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | guys, any comments/questions on that? | 16:16 |
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| ameade_ | can we go through a complete use case? | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | yes, even though we don't assume actions to be domain specific we can still introduce a set of actions (like run a script on a VM or hit a REST API) out of the box | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | ameade_: yes | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Use Cases | 16:18 |
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| stanlagun | There are number of very distinc use cases that can be addressed by mistral | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | stanlagun: go ahead please and then I'll add some more | 16:19 |
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| gokrokve | I see one of the simplest use cases. Mistral supports scheduling so the use case is the following. A user whants to schedule a simple script execution on multiple VMs. The user creates a simple task definition with schedule. | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:21 |
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| ameade_ | so like a distributed cron? what executes the actual script? | 16:21 |
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| gokrokve | Another use case is live-migration. Mistral supports events, so the use case is the following. A user specifies commands for VM live migration in case of event from Ceilometer (CPU consumption 100%) | 16:21 |
| stanlagun | Use case #1: I have some service that is doing some long-running business process on user request. I want to make it fault-tolerant so that if my app dies in the middle I want it to continue on another node from the point it died | 16:21 |
| stanlagun | In this use case I split my buisness process into set of tasks and let Mistral handle them so that Mistral call me back with "Execute action X, here is the data". If my app dies then request just goes to another instance | 16:23 |
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| stanlagun | Use case #2: System integration. If activities of my service are described via published tasks then another app can hook to the task execution and trigger its own processing. Users can insert their own tasks into task graph | 16:25 |
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| stanlagun | This also gives new possibilities for monitorings and state management | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | I think I have one more use case: let's say I need to build an complex application for processing salary calculation. I have several computation steps that take place in different places/platforms. I calculate base salary in system #1, I calculate bonuses in system #2 and there may be even several steps like "A manager approves bonuses manually" which is considered a computation step too | 16:26 |
| stanlagun | yep | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | so we can define a series of related tasks where execution of one task may be triggered by successful completion of another task | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | and at some point this flow ends once the definition of "salary is calculated" is met | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | so I may already have all the code that does all the work but I need to execute them in a distributed environment taking advantage of the cloud on-demand scaling feature | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | hence I need fault tolerance, HA and autoscaling | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | that's where Mistral comes into play | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | it serves a coordinator for these computational steps basically orchestrating (forgive me this overloaded term) what needs to be done when | 16:29 |
| stanlagun | Use case #3: scheduling. Administrator can schedule some business-process to run on time (periodical events etc.) or on external alarm (Ceilometer etc). This can be done even if the program author was not aware of Ceilometer. This is an example of inversion of control because you can replace nagios with ceilometer without end app beeing even aware | 16:30 |
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| ameade_ | is the actual execution of these tasks outside of Mistrals responsibility? | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | from this perspective it can be useful for people like data analysts and so on | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | ameade_: originally no, it's not | 16:31 |
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| stanlagun | Mistral cannot do salary calculations on its own. You do not upload any code | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | but as said before we can build a toolset on top of it to provide additional features to widen the scope of its applicability | 16:31 |
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| stanlagun | But it can send some sort of signal, call external REST API or just some URI, send RabbitMQ message to your app etc. | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | right, it's just supposed to manage the process via sending events | 16:32 |
| gokrokve | What is the machanism of task execution? | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | right :) | 16:32 |
| stanlagun | gokrokve: what do you meen by mechanism? | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Relationships with existing projects, i.e. TaskFlow | 16:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Relationships with existing projects, i.e. TaskFlow (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:33 | |
| gokrokve | How it will call tasks? | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | We initially discussed that with harlowja | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | we appreciate his positive feedback on this initiative. He's actively working on TaskFlow | 16:34 |
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| gokrokve | As I see you propose call tasks through MQ, REST API. How scripts can be executed. | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | ooh | 16:34 |
| stanlagun | gokrokve: it is not executing real tasks. It just signals other app to do so. But because this signaling can be a complex REST API call this can be considered an action of its own | 16:34 |
| gokrokve | Can it be integrated with existing agents like Heat cfn-rool or triple-o os-config? | 16:35 |
| gokrokve | They can execute some scripts on VMs. | 16:35 |
| stanlagun | Scripts can be executed by apps that are out of scope of Mistral. For example you can use Mistral to send execution plan to Murano Agent or make it invoke Puppet manifest etc | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | however, we can provide the capability to allocate required number of workers with something like "VM agent" to do a specific work | 16:35 |
| devvesa | /whois gokrokve | 16:35 |
| devvesa | sorry | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | gokrokve: it can be a plugin mechanism to be able to integrate with existing agents | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | but it's all on top of generic service | 16:36 |
| ameade_ | +1 that makes sense | 16:36 |
| stanlagun | The plan is to have built-in support for several popular deployment tools like chef, puppet, Murano etc. that can be triggered without additional workers | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | that doesn't know anything about any specific things | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | yes, a huge number of options here | 16:37 |
| ameade_ | a simple case could even be to have an SSH plugin...but I digress | 16:37 |
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| gokrokve | Yep. SSH might be a good option. | 16:37 |
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| rakhmerov | well, yes, it can be as long as we're ok with security kind of things.. | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | so as an underlying technology we were considering (and still) TaskFlow mentioned above | 16:38 |
| gokrokve | It usually depends on deployment. For some cases security is not a concern, so ssh might be useful. | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | that can be used in implementation | 16:39 |
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| ameade_ | are there tools out there that already do what Mistral is trying to? And if so, how do they not fit our use cases? | 16:39 |
| gokrokve | How do you plan to map DSL language in Mistral and TaskFlow code objects\approach? | 16:39 |
| stanlagun | There are basicaly 3 requirement for Mistral actions that can be executed by Mistral itself. 1) They must be vere generic and very common 2) They must be safe to execute in shared environment under local root acc and 3) They must not block | 16:39 |
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| stanlagun | About Mistral-TaskFlow relations and integrations: | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | TaskFlow can also provide integration with Mistral making its local calls remote ones transparently for users thereby providing HA | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | #action stanlagun to describe the possible ways of executing particular actions on VMs in the tech specification | 16:41 |
| stanlagun | TaskFlow and Mistral are very different and target different use cases. TaskFlow can be used for Mistral implementation (and may be not used either). TaskFlow is also probably would become one of Mistral clients so that you could schedule TaskFlow tasks over Mistral | 16:41 |
| gokrokve | As for other tools like that. I think there are some. But they are not in OpenStack. So the idea is to have something integrated with openstack to use for example its security model via keystone. | 16:41 |
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| stanlagun | Mistral also going to provide declarative data-flow. That is something you wouldn't find anywhere | 16:42 |
| gokrokve | As for task management. We saw some implementation of task management in nova conductor and glance. | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:42 |
| gokrokve | But both nova and glance do this for their specific goals. | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | #topic DSL and the steps for clarifying it | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | as mentioned before we're going to use DSL for defining tasks, their dependencies and actions they're associated with | 16:44 |
| gokrokve | Renat, please collect all use cases and publish them on wiki. | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | this DSL is supposed to be a generic one | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | #action Renat to collect use cases and publish them on wiki. | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | So regarding DSL | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | we're planning to modify in a number ways the existing technical specification we have and start discussing it with the community | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | stanlagun is working on that now | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | as well as I am | 16:46 |
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| stanlagun | rakhmerov: not exactly on that | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | #action Renat and Stan finish the modified specification and share it with the community | 16:46 |
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| rakhmerov | well, yes, it's one of the subitems | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | anyway, we'll merge all the ideas and efforts | 16:47 |
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| stanlagun | I want to write Q&A document that covers use cases, relations with other frameworks, existing services, development plans etc. so that you absolutely understand what Mistral is after reading it. This is not REST API or DSL spec | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | ok, that's good | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | then according to this document we'll need to clarify our vision of DSL and API | 16:50 |
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| rakhmerov | #action Stan (with Renat's help) to finish Q&A document that covers use cases, relations with other frameworks, existing services, development plans etc | 16:50 |
| gokrokve | We need to have a DSL review with TaskFlow team | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | #action Renat, Stan, Timur to synchronize DSL and REST API with the latest conceptual changes | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | gokrokve: yes, sure | 16:51 |
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| stanlagun | DSL is probably gonna be YAML based and use some YAQL inside | 16:52 |
| stanlagun | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/yaql | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | I have an action item to conduct a meeting with them, I'm going to do it soon | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | so just to clarify it for people who just got involved: Mistral is pretty orthogonal with TaskFlow. They are going to complement each other | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | I think we pretty much agreed on that | 16:55 |
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| rakhmerov | 5 mins left guys | 16:55 |
| stanlagun | btw did we answered the question of TaskFlow-Mistral relations? | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | any questions? | 16:55 |
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| rakhmerov | I thought we did, but we can clarify something else if that's still not clear | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | of the agenda items we had we didn't discuss the initial design (with DSL and REST API) | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | but not sure if it's worth doing this now | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | instead we would answer some questions on it | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | are we done then? | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | ok, thanks to everyone | 16:58 |
| stanlagun | We hope to hear more feedback from you guys as this is critical at the moment | 16:59 |
| stanlagun | Nothing is fixed yet | 16:59 |
| devvesa | clear for me the difference between mistral and taskflow | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:59 |
| devvesa | thanks | 16:59 |
| ameade_ | thanks! | 16:59 |
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| rakhmerov | devvesa, let's go to #openstack-mistral | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 21 16:59:38 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2013/mistral.2013-10-21-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2013/mistral.2013-10-21-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2013/mistral.2013-10-21-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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| NobodyCam | #strartmeeting Ironic | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #chair devananda | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Welcome everyone to the Ironic meeting. The agenda can ofc be found at: | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #toplic Greetings, roll-call and announcements | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Who's here for the Ironic Meeting? | 19:00 |
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| devananda | \o | 19:00 |
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| NobodyCam | #startmeeting Ironic | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 21 19:00:46 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:00 |
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| NobodyCam | #chair devananda | 19:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #toplic Greetings, roll-call and announcements | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Who's here for the Ironic Meeting? | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | hi devananda | 19:01 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 19:01 |
| rloo | hi | 19:01 |
| romcheg | o/ | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | welcome all | 19:01 |
| devananda | hi! | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | ok ready to start the show | 19:01 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Hong Kong design summit paper talks | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/57 | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/97 | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/108 | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/112 | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Hong Kong design summit paper talks (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:02 | |
| NobodyCam | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/139 | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/183 | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | (sorry of the bulk paste) | 19:02 |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: I have not looked over the papers yet today (or over the weekend) | 19:02 |
| romcheg | devananda: I'm going to update my proposal tomorrow | 19:02 |
| romcheg | Sorry for the delay | 19:02 |
| devananda | romcheg: thanks | 19:03 |
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| devananda | so I replied / marked incomplete a few last week | 19:03 |
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| devananda | i need to finalize the schedule by end of this week | 19:03 |
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| NobodyCam | do we have out time slots yet? | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | or is this so we can get them? | 19:04 |
| devananda | as far as what day? yes. | 19:04 |
| GheRivero | with incomplete state I can reedit it, so will do it tomorrow, also adding Don blueplrint | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | yea saw that :) | 19:04 |
| devananda | 2013-11-07 13:50 - 18:00 | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:05 |
| devananda | GheRivero: great, thanks. I just replied to dkehn's email.lots of overlap with your proposal | 19:05 |
| devananda | other than that, any questions on the summit track? | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | ok then moving on | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | 10 lines comming up. sorry:-p | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Outstanding, in-progress or Action Item updates | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes map somethings that needs to be done in the API | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | devananda to update ironic wiki tripleo walkthrough to include "how to update code in the undercloud" | 19:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Outstanding, in-progress or Action Item updates (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:06 | |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes to remove validation from API update method | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | devananda to write framework for noav-ironic driver | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes to add CLI docs to ironic developer doc pages | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | romcheg to propose a non-gating job to -infra | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | romcheg to add python-ironicclient to devstack install scripts | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | devananda to think about a Transifex project for Ironic | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | romcheg looking at Ukrainian and Russian transifex translations | 19:07 |
| dkehn | hi, loss late | 19:07 |
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| NobodyCam | romcheg Check how i18n conplient we are | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | (again sorry for bulk past) | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | any updates | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | hey dkehn all good | 19:07 |
| lucasagomes | the validation was removed | 19:07 |
| romcheg | About me: we have this #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/51845/ | 19:07 |
| romcheg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/51853/ | 19:07 |
| romcheg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48109/ | 19:07 |
| lucasagomes | the CLI, well I started writing a manpage for it | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | just saying your BP and GheRivero's ironic paper are ver close to one another | 19:08 |
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| lucasagomes | and the work needed on the API I added a section in the https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 19:08 |
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| dkehn | NobodyCam, haven't seen GheRivero yet, GheRivero send me a link | 19:08 |
| devananda | there's a skeleton of a nova driver up, which needs a lot of work still :) | 19:08 |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/51328/ | 19:08 |
| romcheg | I already have +2s on devstack patches, which are required for everything to work | 19:08 |
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| GheRivero | dkehn: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/183 | 19:08 |
| GheRivero | dkehn: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IcehouseIronicDeploymentScaling | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | TY GheRivero | 19:09 |
| dkehn | thx | 19:09 |
| NobodyCam | awesome progress ! | 19:09 |
| devananda | also, several of the patches up on ironic right now spun out of me starting the nova driver, so those could be considered blockers | 19:09 |
| devananda | eg, the API changes to expose "find node by instance-uuid" | 19:09 |
| NobodyCam | #action update open action items on agenda | 19:10 |
| NobodyCam | #action NobodyCam update open action items on agenda | 19:10 |
| devananda | and "list [un]provisioned nodes". and the state change issues in bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1237688 | 19:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1237688 in ironic "a failed power_state change wedges the power_state" [High,Triaged] | 19:10 |
| romcheg | devananda: what's the status of the localisation project | 19:10 |
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| devananda | romcheg: same as last week. which is to say, clarkb said he did his part, and i'm not sure what the next step is any more ... | 19:11 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, I put those on the whiteboard etherpad | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: TY | 19:11 |
| clarkb | devananda: there is one additional bit I can do for you which is to put the jenkins jobs in place | 19:11 |
| clarkb | devananda: or you can do that, propose a change that adds the translation jobs to ironic | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | hey clarkb | 19:11 |
| romcheg | Thank you clarkb | 19:12 |
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| NobodyCam | clarkb: I'll have a question for you in a little bit | 19:12 |
| clarkb | NobodyCam: ok | 19:12 |
| devananda | clarkb: if you could, that'd be awesomely helpful | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | great updates! (still reading) | 19:13 |
| devananda | romcheg: i see that https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/ironic/ is there, now. | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | good to move on? | 19:13 |
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| NobodyCam | good to go forward? | 19:14 |
| devananda | ++ | 19:15 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Integration and testing | 19:15 |
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| NobodyCam | ok I'm back on the ironic dib element | 19:15 |
| NobodyCam | I upgraded to saucy and now seem to have a keystone issue in my undercloud | 19:16 |
| NobodyCam | I am working thru that and will have new rav of the ironic dib patches up this week | 19:16 |
| NobodyCam | I saw we have a +2 on the dev stack patches | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | :) woo hoo | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | any q/c? | 19:17 |
| romcheg | I have a comment | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | shot | 19:18 |
| romcheg | I won't upload the new patch set for Ironic tests in tempest until those 2 devstack patches landed | 19:18 |
| romcheg | This is because there are tests for authentiction and policies which are disables in devstack now | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | :) could you put it up as WIP? | 19:19 |
| romcheg | it's already a WIP | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | jusr so we can look it over :-p | 19:20 |
| romcheg | ah, ok then | 19:20 |
| romcheg | I will also split it into two patches | 19:20 |
| romcheg | one for the client and one for the actual tests | 19:20 |
| romcheg | otherwise it's going to be quite hard to review | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | :) ya that sounds like a good split | 19:21 |
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| devananda | romcheg: have you checked with devstack -core or PTL re that split? | 19:21 |
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| devananda | romcheg: it might be good to make sure they are OK with adding the client by itself, and tests in a separate patch | 19:22 |
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| romcheg | devananda: no, I haven't but I will do that after your suggestion | 19:22 |
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| NobodyCam | :) yes | 19:22 |
| devananda | dtroyer: hi! if you're around, quick question for you ^^ | 19:23 |
| romcheg | %s/devstack/tempest/g | 19:23 |
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| NobodyCam | ok to move on we can come back if dtroyer jumps in | 19:24 |
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| devananda | yea | 19:24 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Python-IronicClient | 19:24 |
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| NobodyCam | I saw the doc patches this morning but hve yet to look over them | 19:25 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 19:25 |
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| lucasagomes | :) | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: any Client-y things | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | you wanted to bring up? | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | I was going thru the cli last week | 19:26 |
| lucasagomes | hmm one thing I didn't looked/find yet is how to install the manpage using the setuptools | 19:27 |
| lucasagomes | gotta look at it | 19:27 |
| lucasagomes | and we need to document how to use the python library as well | 19:27 |
| lucasagomes | not only the CLI commands | 19:27 |
| NobodyCam | I am un sure how we can test for bad input in the [chassis|node|port]-shell files with our current test fixtures | 19:28 |
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| lucasagomes | yea, we don't have any tests for the shell commands | 19:28 |
| lucasagomes | I didn't take a deep look at it tho :/ | 19:29 |
| devananda | what do other openstack python libs cover as fara s testing? | 19:29 |
| NobodyCam | I have to look into that | 19:29 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, looking at the ceilometer cli which I based on to do ironic | 19:29 |
| lucasagomes | they also have no tests for the shell | 19:30 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: the python lib should be self-documenting | 19:30 |
| lucasagomes | afaik, nova does | 19:30 |
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| NobodyCam | we have fixtures that mock (pun intended) the api replys | 19:30 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, yea that would be great | 19:30 |
| lucasagomes | also | 19:30 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: eg, file/class/method doc strings + sphinx autodoc | 19:31 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, right | 19:32 |
| lucasagomes | yea I will try to work on some docs this week | 19:32 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:32 |
| lucasagomes | to help other people use our cli | 19:32 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, so ur looking at the shell tests? | 19:33 |
| NobodyCam | and if you can think of how to mock a 404 reply for the shell tests | 19:33 |
| NobodyCam | ya | 19:34 |
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| lucasagomes | yea have to take a look at how other CLIs r doing that | 19:34 |
| NobodyCam | lets chat in channel about how to deal with the tests | 19:34 |
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| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: I NEED to | 19:34 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, aight | 19:34 |
| NobodyCam | ok to move on? | 19:34 |
| NobodyCam | #topic API discussion | 19:35 |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, let's talk about the instance_uuid thing? | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | some great stuff in the pipes for the api | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | and driver_factory stuff? | 19:36 |
| devananda | yes | 19:36 |
| devananda | several API things to talka bout | 19:36 |
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| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, yea, the driver_factory is just a small piece of the puzzle, deva's patch that register the drivers on the db when they start | 19:37 |
| lucasagomes | does mostly of the work | 19:37 |
| NobodyCam | and 23 minutes to do it | 19:37 |
| lucasagomes | after that we could then expose the /drivers on the API | 19:37 |
| devananda | for the public API topics, we have instane uuid and power state | 19:37 |
| devananda | and the stuff lucas just said :) | 19:37 |
| devananda | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1237688/comments/1 | 19:38 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1237688 in ironic "a failed power_state change wedges the power_state" [High,Triaged] | 19:38 |
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| devananda | i've got a proposal on a new power state representation there, and started coding it on thursday | 19:38 |
| devananda | we either need to represent taht as JsonEncodedDict, or another RPC-style object | 19:39 |
| devananda | and that may, or may not, have bearing on the API too | 19:39 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: on the instance_uuid -- what's the question? | 19:40 |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, did you think about what would be better to represent the state? adding a new attribute power_state_result or a dict style ? | 19:40 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, ahh so... since we have to search for a specific instance_uuid and for non-null and null instances uuid | 19:41 |
| lucasagomes | I now really think that the query makes sense | 19:41 |
| devananda | great :) | 19:41 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 19:41 |
| NobodyCam | linggao: are you here? | 19:41 |
| linggao | yep, I am here. | 19:41 |
| lucasagomes | ?instance_uuid=<uuid> ?instance_uuid=null ? instance_uuid=not-null... or something like | 19:42 |
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| devananda | do we expose keywords in the URI? eg, GET /nodes?uuid=NONE || GET ... | 19:42 |
| NobodyCam | are you looking at some of the stuff above? ^^ | 19:42 |
| devananda | right. so taht seems a little odd to me, but it would work | 19:42 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, yes was thinking about it | 19:42 |
| linggao | Yes, I am trying to implement get node by instance_uuid | 19:42 |
| devananda | linggao: the DB code for that already exists. it should just be an API change, and a client lib change to match. Yes? | 19:43 |
| linggao | Yes, I think so. | 19:43 |
| lucasagomes | afaic yes | 19:43 |
| lucasagomes | afaict* | 19:44 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:44 |
| linggao | I would extend that to any attibute in the db for the node | 19:44 |
| linggao | like nodes/?power_state=something | 19:44 |
| devananda | linggao: please do not do that | 19:44 |
| linggao | why? | 19:44 |
| devananda | linggao: searching on unindexed columns is slow. allwoing arbitrary queries in the API is not necessary, either | 19:45 |
| linggao | this way we can give user a list of nodes that are deployed or not. | 19:45 |
| NobodyCam | inst_uuid != null | 19:45 |
| devananda | i would prefer taht the DBAPI limit which columns can be searched on. | 19:45 |
| NobodyCam | inst_uuid == null | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | and inst_uuid == uuid | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | I think that would covr all our states | 19:46 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, :) yea | 19:46 |
| devananda | related to instance_uud, yes | 19:46 |
| linggao | I am thinking when we deploy 1000 nodes, how do we return a list of nodes that are good/bad? | 19:46 |
| devananda | linggao: that depends on how you define good/bad :) | 19:47 |
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| lucasagomes | linggao, good/bad? | 19:47 |
| NobodyCam | can you add a little more to that linggao | 19:47 |
| linggao | like deploy_state=something? | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | the instance_uuid will fix the problem of the non-deployed/deployed nodes | 19:47 |
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| NobodyCam | linggao: if we need another query we can / should add that as a spereate patch | 19:48 |
| linggao | NobodyCam, I am just thinking user whant to get a group of nodes that have certian states. | 19:49 |
| devananda | linggao: so a query on deploy_state or power_state could be possible | 19:49 |
| devananda | linggao: but IMO that should be done outside of ironic | 19:50 |
| devananda | linggao: eg, with ceilometer or healthnmon integration | 19:50 |
| NobodyCam | # action to define fields that should allow quesrys | 19:50 |
| NobodyCam | ?? | 19:50 |
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| linggao | davananda, I am thinking if we make it generic, i.e, using column name, then we do not have to keep changing code when new columns are added. | 19:50 |
| devananda | those other openstack services should have received updates from ironic for various activities (eg, deploy fail/succeed) and retain that data for historical and reporpting needs | 19:50 |
| devananda | linggao: technical problem, which we could change, is that deploy and power state will need to be represented in a more complex fasion | 19:51 |
| devananda | eg, as a tuple of 6 fields, not a single one | 19:51 |
| devananda | but non-technial problem, ironic isn't going to store historical data | 19:51 |
| linggao | ok, I'll do the instance_uuid now and do not worry about extending it. | 19:52 |
| devananda | finding out "this node's recent deplooy failed" is far less important than findign out "deploys to this node fail 30% of the time" | 19:52 |
| devananda | which ironic will never be able to answer | 19:52 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:52 |
| lucasagomes | yea, also adding queries to things like properties won't be that simple | 19:52 |
| devananda | right | 19:52 |
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| linggao | ok, I see your points. | 19:52 |
| devananda | techniacl issue, solvable, but not trivial. the scope issue is bigger, IMO | 19:52 |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: for that reason I would vote attrubite for your question in previous topic | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | 7 minutes | 19:53 |
| devananda | k | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | good to to FFT/OD | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | ? | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Food for Thought / Open Discussion | 19:53 |
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| devananda | #action devananda to propose replacing power state and requested power state with 6 columns instaed of 2 | 19:53 |
| devananda | one thing from last topic we didn't finish ... | 19:54 |
| NobodyCam | #topic API discussion | 19:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API discussion (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:54 | |
| devananda | the driver_factory / conductor-RPC object / expose "/driver" in API | 19:54 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: you had thoughts on taht? | 19:54 |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, actually i was just | 19:55 |
| lucasagomes | telling that with ur patch landing we already can expose that | 19:55 |
| lucasagomes | /drivers | 19:55 |
| devananda | ah. cool :) | 19:55 |
| devananda | yes | 19:55 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:55 |
| devananda | #topic Open Discussion | 19:55 |
| lucasagomes | now GET /drivers/<id> | 19:55 |
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| lucasagomes | that's another thing | 19:55 |
| devananda | hehe | 19:56 |
| linggao | I'd ask about API versioning | 19:56 |
| linggao | currently we only have v1 | 19:56 |
| NobodyCam | ok we do not log our irc here : http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/ | 19:56 |
| devananda | linggao: public API or the internal RPC api? | 19:56 |
| NobodyCam | do we want to? | 19:56 |
| linggao | devananda, the one that is controlled by the RestController | 19:57 |
| devananda | linggao: public API. | 19:57 |
| linggao | ok, | 19:57 |
| NobodyCam | clarkb: my question was going to be how do we get ironic irc logs into http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/ | 19:57 |
| linggao | for v2, will it be super set of v1? | 19:57 |
| linggao | or just supplyment? | 19:58 |
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| devananda | linggao: i dont understand why you'd ask about v2 | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | *two minutes* | 19:58 |
| linggao | will v1 controller and v2 controller co-exist? | 19:58 |
| clarkb | NobodyCam: you add the channel to http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/config/tree/modules/openstack_project/manifests/eavesdrop.pp#n25 | 19:58 |
| devananda | linggao: when we need to create another version of the API, we'll have to consider compatibility, yes. | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | awesome TY clarkb | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:59 |
| linggao | cause, I am fixing the bookmark url problem that does not have the vrsion numer in the url | 19:59 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: i thought bookmark was supposed to NOT have the /v#/ string in the url? | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | ok going to have to move any thing left to our home channel | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, yea it should not have the version | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 21 20:00:05 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-10-21-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-10-21-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-10-21-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | linggao, ^ | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | lol lucasagomes you got squched | 20:00 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: FFR, there is n ot currently any meeting after ours | 20:00 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: so we can stay in the room late, if needed :) | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | oh I keep forgetting that ooo moved | 20:01 |
| devananda | the tripleo meeting moved to tuesday :) | 20:01 |
| devananda | ya | 20:01 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 20:01 |
| NobodyCam | sorry guys /my bad | 20:01 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, :) it's alright | 20:01 |
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| roaet | hallo | 20:59 |
| mestery | hi | 21:00 |
| enikanorov | hi | 21:00 |
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| rkukura | hi | 21:00 |
| Swami | Hi all | 21:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi all | 21:00 |
| emagana | hello netstackers! | 21:00 |
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| dkehn | hi | 21:01 |
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| shivharis | hi all | 21:01 |
| nati_ueno | hi! | 21:02 |
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| markmcclain | hi | 21:02 |
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| arosen1 | hiya | 21:03 |
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| markmcclain | #startmeeting Networking | 21:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 21 21:03:59 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:04 |
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| markmcclain | #topic General Announcements | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "General Announcements (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:04 | |
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| markmcclain | #info 2013.2 (Havana) was released last Thursday | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2013-October/000151.html | 21:05 |
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| markmcclain | I'm very excited about this release and thanks to everyone for their hard work | 21:06 |
| markmcclain | In addition there was stable release on 10/17 | 21:08 |
| markmcclain | http://tarballs.openstack.org/neutron/quantum-2013.1.4.tar.gz | 21:08 |
| markmcclain | #link http://tarballs.openstack.org/neutron/quantum-2013.1.4.tar.gz | 21:08 |
| dkehn | markmcclain, congrats on the Technical Committee elections | 21:08 |
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| markmcclain | dkehn: thanks! | 21:08 |
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| mestery | dkehn: +1 to markmcclain! | 21:08 |
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| nati_ueno | congrat! | 21:09 |
| markmcclain | mestery, nati_ueno: thanks | 21:09 |
| markmcclain | Now that that Havana has been released the stable team will now focus on backports from master to Havana | 21:10 |
| markmcclain | if you have backports which have landed in master, but were not in the final Havana release please make sure they are tagged havana-backport-pontential | 21:10 |
| markmcclain | Any questions on the releases and stable backports? | 21:11 |
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| markmcclain | #topic API docs | 21:12 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "API docs (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:12 | |
| markmcclain | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-site/+bugs?field.tag=netconn-api | 21:12 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando is on vacation this week | 21:12 |
| arosen1 | I have the mutli-provider api doc on my list of todo's for this week. | 21:12 |
| markmcclain | awesome thanks! | 21:13 |
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| mestery | arosen1: I can review that if you want as well, add me as a reviewer if you don't mind! | 21:13 |
| arosen1 | mestery: awesome sounds good. | 21:13 |
| markmcclain | I'm still working on finding an author for the metering extensions | 21:14 |
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| markmcclain | #topic API | 21:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:14 | |
| markmcclain | emagana: hi | 21:14 |
| emagana | you mean Docs | 21:15 |
| emagana | :-) | 21:15 |
| markmcclain | #undo | 21:15 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x336c850> | 21:15 |
| markmcclain | #topic docs | 21:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "docs (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:15 | |
| markmcclain | :) | 21:15 |
| emagana | no updates from my side, I still owe some time to Tom for working on the install review and also to Cisco Folks on their plugins changes (if not already committed) | 21:15 |
| emagana | also waiting on markmcclain for the metering part | 21:15 |
| mestery | emagana: Thanks much for the help on the Cisco side! | 21:15 |
| roaet | I'm cleaning up some of the duplication in the config docs. | 21:16 |
| markmcclain | emagana: do you have a link for the install review? | 21:16 |
| emagana | mestery: let me finish it and then you can thank me! :-) | 21:16 |
| emagana | exchange for some beers in HK | 21:16 |
| mestery | emagana: :) | 21:16 |
| emagana | mestery: promise to be in ASAP!!! | 21:16 |
| mestery | emagana: Awesome! | 21:16 |
| emagana | markmcclain: nothing more but maybe Tom or Anne want to include something | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | ok.. they can chime in if they've got anything to add | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | #topic Summit | 21:18 |
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| markmcclain | #info the deadline to submit sessions was last Thursday | 21:18 |
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| markmcclain | We had a bunch of late submissions, we're still working our way through the list | 21:19 |
| markmcclain | our track is oversubscribed by 2:1 margin | 21:19 |
| markmcclain | Throughout this week we'll be working our way through the list to hopefully have a rough draft schedule by the 25th | 21:21 |
| emagana | markmcclain: I noticed that some session are duplicated | 21:21 |
| emagana | markmcclain: maybe an issue during the submission | 21:22 |
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| markmcclain | emagana: yes there are duplicate topic ideas because we encourage duplicate submissions | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | mainly to ensure that different variants of ideas are documented | 21:22 |
| emagana | markmcclain: No, I dont mean that. I do see the same entry twice | 21:23 |
| markmcclain | and then we'll work with the proposers to structure sessions where the ideas can be discussed | 21:23 |
| rkukura | markmcclain: I know one I submitted shows up twice in the list, as do some others | 21:23 |
| emagana | rkukura: mine shows three times!! :-) | 21:23 |
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| markmcclain | yeah.. even removing those we will be out of space | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | Since conference time is at a premium | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | we may choose to move some topic discussions to the mailing lists or special one off IRC meetings | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | which route we go really depends on proposal | 21:25 |
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| markmcclain | I'd like to discuss them all, but unfortunately we cannot | 21:26 |
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| markmcclain | Any questions on the selection or review process? | 21:27 |
| geoffarnold | Would it make sense to reserve one session for BOF-style mini-meetings to address the topics that miss the cut? | 21:27 |
| mestery | geoffarnold: I believe there are already unconference slots for that purpose. | 21:28 |
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| geoffarnold | I understand. That thought it might be good to do some deliberate scheduling around that | 21:28 |
| geoffarnold | That>Just | 21:28 |
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| markmcclain | geoffarnold: unconference space is a good outlet for it | 21:29 |
| markmcclain | but I don't want to preemptively register time for sessions | 21:30 |
| markmcclain | I willl include some brief time each day for those that want to announce their networking related unconference meetings | 21:30 |
| geoffarnold | OK. I'll look forward to seeing the whole schedule | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | #topic Open Discussion | 21:31 |
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| markmcclain | The meeting between release and the conference is usually one of our shortest ones.. any have topics that we need to cover this week? | 21:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just a reminder - IRC meeting tomorrow (tuesday) at 15.30 UTC for "advance services" | 21:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | common requirements | 21:32 |
| marun | ? | 21:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | continuation of discussion from previous meeting | 21:32 |
| geoffarnold | Which IRC? or is it WebEx? | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | in #openstack-meeting? | 21:33 |
| geoffarnold | thx | 21:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: IRC | 21:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: yeah its listed | 21:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | same as last week | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: perfect | 21:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | only different time to accommodate folks from asia | 21:34 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Is it in #openstack-meeting-alt? I have that written down as the channel. | 21:34 |
| geoffarnold | BTW, thanks to Sumit for hosting the svcs F2F last week | 21:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | little early for folks in PDT, aplologies in advance | 21:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: sure | 21:34 |
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| mestery | According to here, it is #openstack-meeting-alt (in case anyone else was confused): https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#Neutron_Advanced_Services.27_Common_requirements_team_meeting | 21:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: thats right | 21:35 |
| markmcclain | mestery: thanks for the info | 21:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its on the alt channel | 21:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: sorry i mis spoke | 21:36 |
| mestery | Sure. Just wanted to clarify for folks since it was confusing to me at least. :) | 21:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: thanks :-) | 21:36 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: no worries | 21:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am multitasking, sorry folks | 21:36 |
| marun | what is the meeting for? the wiki page is blank | 21:36 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Thanks for leading all this service work, great job! | 21:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: we created a new etherpad | 21:37 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: link? | 21:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that has the agenda | 21:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: thanks :-) | 21:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: one sec looking it up | 21:37 |
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| KJ_ | here it is: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-neutron-fwaas | 21:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | KJ_: thanks! :-) | 21:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh sorry thats the fwaas | 21:38 |
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| geoffarnold | still relevant ;-) | 21:39 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: any plans on including testing in fwaas plans for icehouse? I see no mention on the etherpad. | 21:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: thats the first item we discussed in the IRC meeting last week | 21:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: for: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2013/networking_fwaas.2013-10-16-18.01.log.html | 21:40 |
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| marun | don't mean to pick on fwaas, btw. but anybody contemplating adding features without planning on adding the tests in advance or shortly after merge will be feeling the heat next cycle. | 21:41 |
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| marun | a feature isn't 'done' until it has tests. | 21:41 |
| marun | unit, functional, integration. | 21:42 |
| garyduan | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NeutronAdvancedServices | 21:42 |
| garyduan | This should be it. | 21:42 |
| marun | danke | 21:42 |
| markmcclain | marun: tests are a must for new features | 21:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: thanks the ether pad for common requirements discussion | 21:42 |
| markmcclain | Any other items to discuss this week? | 21:43 |
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| marun | i have one thing | 21:43 |
| marun | Dan Smith is pushing upgrade compatibility in Nova | 21:44 |
| markmcclain | marun: in terms of database or upgrading running systems with no downtime? | 21:44 |
| marun | Specifically on the issue of cross-version RPC compatibility, he's scheduled to give 2 talks - one nova and one tempest track | 21:44 |
| marun | I've asked him to try to schedule at least one of these on Thursday so that Neutron folk can attend. | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | marun: perfect | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | I'd like to sit in that one myself | 21:45 |
| marun | I suspect we're going to have to approach this issue and it would be good to provide input before his ideas solidify in oslo | 21:45 |
| mestery | Neutron upgrade are fairly nebulous to me at the moment. This will be good to listen in on. | 21:45 |
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| markmcclain | yes.. the upgrade process is something we need to work on in Icehouse | 21:46 |
| marun | I'm going to have to focus on this issue in the short-term, since we're looking at providing a documented upgrade between rhos 3.0 and 4.0. | 21:46 |
| marun | Hopefully I'll have some issues to discuss with you all, if only hallway track, at the summit. | 21:46 |
| mestery | marun: That's really good. One thing to think about: What exactly is our current supported upgrade strategy? Does anyone know? | 21:47 |
| marun | 'dead' migration ;) | 21:47 |
| mestery | E.g. can you just leave VMs running, stop neutron, load a new version, restart, and expect things to run ok? | 21:47 |
| mestery | marun: Heh | 21:47 |
| marun | TBD I think - being able to leave vm's running is a goal but we're still investigating feasibility. | 21:48 |
| mestery | marun: Agreed. I'm very interested in this area as well, look forward to talking in person. | 21:48 |
| marun | great :) | 21:48 |
| markmcclain | mestery: it's in the release notes :) | 21:48 |
| mestery | markmcclain: :) | 21:48 |
| markmcclain | that said the release notes for notes for upgrades are a stop gap | 21:49 |
| markmcclain | I'd like to see us participating in grenade style testts | 21:49 |
| marun | +1 | 21:50 |
| mestery | +100 | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | any other items? | 21:50 |
| enikanorov | may be discuss migrations for sqlite? | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: I'd prefer to cover that in HK | 21:51 |
| enikanorov | sure | 21:51 |
| marun | one more thing | 21:51 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: will that be a session on that? | 21:51 |
| markmcclain | yes.. it will be on our agenda | 21:51 |
| markmcclain | not a full block | 21:51 |
| marun | carl baldwin and I will be looking into doing functional testing of iptables interaction. hopefully have something to show at summit that others can build on. | 21:51 |
| markmcclain | but a mini topic | 21:51 |
| enikanorov | ok | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | marun: great! | 21:52 |
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| markmcclain | Thanks again to everyone our team for their hard work on Havana! | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | The schedule rough schedule should be available late this week or over the weekend. | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | Have a great week and talk to everyone on the mailing list or IRC | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | #endmeeting | 21:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 21 21:53:20 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-10-21-21.03.html | 21:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-10-21-21.03.txt | 21:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-10-21-21.03.log.html | 21:53 |
| enikanorov | bye all | 21:53 |
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| mestery | bye! | 21:53 |
| arosen1 | later | 21:53 |
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| markmcclain | bye | 21:53 |
| marun | 'nite | 21:54 |
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