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| dhellmann | #startmeeting oslo | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Oct 25 14:00:13 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 14:00 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 14:00 |
| zyluo | hi | 14:00 |
| dhellmann | Show of hands, please? | 14:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 14:00 |
| bpokorny | o/ | 14:00 |
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| zyluo | o/ | 14:00 |
| jswarren | o/ | 14:00 |
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| dstanek | o/ | 14:00 |
| luisg | o/ | 14:00 |
| dhellmann | we have 2 topics today | 14:01 |
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| dhellmann | I was going to start with the one I think will be the shorter discussion | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | #topic deprecated decorator (dstanek) | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "deprecated decorator (dstanek) (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:01 | |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50486/ | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | dstanek, you have the floor :-) | 14:01 |
| dstanek | dhellmann: thank you | 14:01 |
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| dstanek | this review allows a callable to be marked as deprecated and logs a message saying when it was deprecated and when it may be removed | 14:02 |
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| dstanek | right now it is in keystone and we need it in python-keystoneclient | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | it seems like it would be useful in all of the clients | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | how is it used within keystone? | 14:03 |
| dstanek | a few people outside of keystone have expressed interest in it and i would like to get it into oslo | 14:03 |
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| dstanek | right now i have a review that deprecates the v2 API | 14:03 |
| dstanek | i have to rebase it off of the merged impl, which i'm working on right now | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | ok | 14:04 |
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| dhellmann | this logs the messages, right? so callers of the API wouldn't see them? | 14:04 |
| dstanek | i believe that we'll be using it shortly for other functionality that is marked as deprecated only in code comments | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | makes sense | 14:05 |
| dhellmann | I don't have any objections to bringing it in -- does anyone have any comments? | 14:05 |
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| dstanek | what are the steps for me to get it in? is it as simple as code review to debate or is there more to it? | 14:05 |
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| dhellmann | the usual path is to add it as-is from the upstream repo, then we fiddle with the api and implementation until everyone is happy | 14:06 |
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| dhellmann | you'll need a better module name than "utils" in this case | 14:06 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 14:06 |
| dstanek | yes :-) | 14:06 |
| dstanek | what do you suggest? deprecated.py? | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | we already have a deprecated subdirectory with code we do not want used any more, but that we're not ready to remove | 14:07 |
| dstanek | there is other stuff in our utils module that definitely wouldn't go into oslo | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | what about adding it to the versionutils module? | 14:07 |
| zyluo | it could be utils in the "deprecated" package? | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | zyluo: well, we don't want code from that package copied out of the incubator any more | 14:08 |
| zyluo | dhellmann, ic | 14:08 |
| dhellmann | we kept it around in case we have security bugs or something that we need to fix | 14:08 |
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| zyluo | putting it in versionutils.py sounds good | 14:08 |
| dstanek | i'm ok with versionutils | 14:08 |
| dhellmann | ok, be prepared in case someone finds a better name when the code review goes up, but that seems like a good place to start | 14:09 |
| mrodden | i thought we had something similar in log.py... | 14:09 |
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| dhellmann | it looks like ContextAdapter has a deprecated() log call | 14:10 |
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| dstanek | mrodden: there is a deprecated method...that's what i use to actually do the logging | 14:10 |
| dhellmann | maybe this new decorator should use that | 14:10 |
| dhellmann | well, there we go :-) | 14:10 |
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| dstanek | the only thing i don't like about it is the exception it raises in fatal more | 14:11 |
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| dstanek | it's related to deprecating config options or something like that | 14:11 |
| mrodden | its controlled by a falg | 14:11 |
| mrodden | flag* | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | maybe we can adjust that wording | 14:11 |
| dstanek | yeah, it's a DeprecatedConfig exception | 14:12 |
| mrodden | yeah | 14:12 |
| mrodden | just noticed that | 14:12 |
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| dhellmann | ok, those are details we can work out | 14:12 |
| markmc | gah, sorry I'm late | 14:12 |
| dstanek | i wouldn't mind renaming that to DeprecatedError and adjusting the message | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | hi, markmc | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | dstanek: sounds good, maybe as a follow-up changeset? | 14:13 |
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| dstanek | sure thing | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | cool | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | anything else on the new deprecated decorator? | 14:13 |
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| dhellmann | right, moving on then | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | #topic Solidify detailed approach to lazy translation, based on 10/21 IRC chat (bpokorny) | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Solidify detailed approach to lazy translation, based on 10/21 IRC chat (bpokorny) (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:14 | |
| dhellmann | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/i18n-messages | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | What details are left to resolve? | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | bpokorny, you're up | 14:14 |
| bpokorny | Thanks, dhellmann. | 14:14 |
| bpokorny | I think we have a good understanding of the details on where to go with this one now, based on a chat with a few of you. | 14:15 |
| bpokorny | So mrodden added the details we talked about to the blueprint. | 14:15 |
| bpokorny | My intention with putting it on the agenda was just to see if anyone has any comments on those details at this point. | 14:16 |
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| bpokorny | I think mrodden captured the things we discussed previously. | 14:16 |
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| jswarren | The item about __repr__... is that just for debugging purposes? | 14:16 |
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| dhellmann | that list looks accurate to me | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | jswarren: yes, I think so | 14:16 |
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| jswarren | OK. | 14:17 |
| bpokorny | If no concerns at this point on them, we'll get an initial code patch sent up for review. | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | I feel pretty good about this approach. It will be interesting to see what happens when str() and unicode() "break", though. | 14:18 |
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| dhellmann | but let's see, instead of trying to guess :-) | 14:18 |
| bpokorny | Yes :) There could be some interesting things to work through as we work the patch. | 14:18 |
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| jswarren | I wonder which project should be the first victim...er, I mean candidate. | 14:19 |
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| dhellmann | probably something small | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | I'm not sure how much we're using translation in ceilometer, but that code base is fairly small so it might be a good candidate | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | then we'll want a project using the old wsgi framework, too | 14:20 |
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| jswarren | glance is probably the worst-case scenario. | 14:21 |
| bpokorny | Maybe Ceilometer and Cinder to start with? | 14:21 |
| dhellmann | jswarren: why is glance "worst-case"? | 14:21 |
| luisg | heat had some interesting challenges when doing it the 1st time around | 14:21 |
| jswarren | Adding lazy translation to it has been the most disruptive of all the projects, from what I can tell. | 14:21 |
| dhellmann | hmm | 14:21 |
| jswarren | There's wsgi and json concerns. | 14:22 |
| jswarren | heat might be just as bad...dunno | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | we might want to tackle glance fairly early, if it will take a while, but we should start with something easier | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | I like bpokorny | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | oops | 14:23 |
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| dhellmann | I like bpokorny's suggestion :-) | 14:23 |
| luisg | :) | 14:23 |
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| bpokorny | Haha | 14:24 |
| jswarren | He's quite likable. | 14:24 |
| luisg | haha | 14:24 |
| jswarren | likeable | 14:24 |
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| jswarren | Works for me, FWIW | 14:24 |
| bpokorny | Sounds good. We'll plan to start with Ceilometer and Cinder once we get the oslo patch up. | 14:24 |
| * dhellmann blames all of today's typos on cold fingers | 14:25 | |
| bpokorny | :) | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | bpokorny: after we have some code in the incubator, we should give those other teams a heads-up so the patches in their repo won't be a surprise | 14:25 |
| bpokorny | Yep, I can do that. | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | good | 14:26 |
| mrodden | wonder if we need BPs for other projects? | 14:26 |
| bpokorny | Would the best forum to be just post it on IRC, or get it on the meeting agenda? | 14:26 |
| jd__ | o/ | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | I think starting with the mailing list is ok | 14:26 |
| bpokorny | ok | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | and we can reference the blueprint we have for oslo | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | unless the ptls of those projects want us to create separate blueprints for their own tracking | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | does anyone have anything else on this topic? | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 14:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:28 | |
| dhellmann | I've emailed all of the maintainers asking for status about "their" parts of the incubator, especially whether code is ready to graduate | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | I haven't heard back from anyone yet :-( | 14:29 |
| * zyluo will update it next week | 14:30 | |
| dhellmann | if anyone else has opinions on that, drop me a note so I can include your comments in the wrap-up summit session | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | oh, great, thanks zyluo | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 14:30 |
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| mrodden | i noticed there is an i18n session now too | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/186 | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | yes | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | I have one or two more to clarify and then I will be publishing the first version of the schedule today | 14:32 |
| * dhellmann crosses fingers | 14:32 | |
| jd__ | dhellmann: I saw that many people wrote something on the etherpad (me included) | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | jd__: ah, good | 14:33 |
| jd__ | for some value of many | 14:33 |
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| dhellmann | haha | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-oslo-status | 14:33 |
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| dhellmann | oh, yes, there's lots more there than last time I looked | 14:34 |
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| dhellmann | if no one has anything else, we can wrap up a little early | 14:35 |
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| dhellmann | ok, I guess that's it | 14:36 |
| dhellmann | thanks everyone! | 14:36 |
| mrodden | thank! | 14:36 |
| bpokorny | Thanks all! | 14:36 |
| mrodden | thanks!* | 14:36 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 14:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:36 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Oct 25 14:36:26 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2013/oslo.2013-10-25-14.00.html | 14:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2013/oslo.2013-10-25-14.00.txt | 14:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2013/oslo.2013-10-25-14.00.log.html | 14:36 |
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